Details related to the Mi-8 plane crash in Kamchatka emerge

Details are emerging related to the crash of a helicopter with passengers in Kamchatka. The rotorcraft followed from the administrative center of the region - Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky to the Kuril Lake region in the Ust-Bolsheretsky region of the peninsula. The flight of the helicopter belonging to the Vityaz-Aero company was tourist.

According to regional sources, there were 8 people on board the crashed Mi-17, including 3 crew members. It is known that there was one child among the tourists.

The fall reportedly killed at least 5 people.

It is known that the fact of the plane crash with the Mi-8 helicopter in Kamchatka was initiated by the RF IC initiated a criminal case under the article on violation of traffic safety rules and aircraft operation, which resulted in death by negligence.

The names of the crew members have been announced. These are the aircraft commander Nikolai Sorokin (at the time of the preparation of the material, the rescuers did not find him), as well as Marat Madnev (or Madiev), the flight mechanic, and Yakov Medvedev, the navigator (both were found and taken to the hospital).

Among the passengers are tourists from different regions of Russia, including, according to the latest data, the capital.

It is known that the VGTRK journalist was also on board. According to the latest information, he survived.

The airline, meanwhile, said that the helicopter was in good working order. In 2020, it underwent a major overhaul.

According to reports, weather conditions may have caused the helicopter to crash. The helicopter was already making an approach, but the crew could be disoriented because of the fog, as a result of which the car fell into the water near the Ozernoye cordon in a local wildlife sanctuary.

Comments

[Pessimist22]

The helicopter belongs to the company of Igor Redkin, who shot a man in Kamchatka, he was sent under house arrest, he is from United Russia.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Pessimist22

The helicopter belongs to the company of Igor Redkin, who shot a man in Kamchatka, he was sent under house arrest, he is from United Russia.

What's this all about? Do people need to know that the helicopter belonged to a company that belongs to a Vedic assassin? Why know this? What does this have to do with the accident?

[lwxx]

People need to know who is in charge and who they trust in life. About six years ago, the Vityaz-Aero helicopter under the control of the aircraft commander (PIC) Nikolai Sorokin, who was flying the fallen Mi-8, crashed in the upper reaches of the Uksichan River. Then the passengers and crew members on board were injured. As you can see, no conclusions have been drawn. But the pedagogue shot the man, and confessed only based on the results of the examination.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: lwxx

People need to know who is in charge and who they trust in life.

Well, you found out, if you didn't know until now. What's next? What is the practical sense in this, except that people, who hate the bucket so fiercely, will have a slightly higher degree of hatred? Or is this the point?

[lwxx]

Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich

Quote: lwxx

People need to know who is in charge and who they trust in life.

Well, you found out, if you didn't know until now. What's next? What is the practical point of this, except that people who already hate the bucket so fiercely

You have an interesting logic. You can not investigate anything, do not make vyvody.Na site and so there are not many fans of the Party of United Russia, so about the degree of increasing hatred by. I left Kamchatka not so long ago, and I constantly follow the events there, especially since many friends and acquaintances remained in the region. And the information that comes from them is often the opposite from official sources. Kamchatka is like a big village, with a population of just over 300 thousand.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: lwxx

You have an interesting logic. You can not investigate anything, do not draw conclusions.

Who will investigate and draw conclusions? Are you personally or a colleague Pessimist22?
What is this information for here, on the VO forum, where people are going to sharpen it banally?

[lwxx]

Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich

Quote: lwxx

You have an interesting logic. You can not investigate anything, do not draw conclusions.

Who will investigate and draw conclusions? Are you personally or a colleague Pessimist22?
What is this information for here, on the VO forum, where people are going to sharpen it banally?

Well, there is someone to investigate without us, but everyone draws conclusions for himself. Based on the data available to him. You also sharpen your fringes

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: lwxx

Well, there is someone to investigate without us, but everyone draws conclusions for himself. Based on the data available to him. You also sharpen your fringes

Here, in the overwhelming majority, there are people who have already taken place in one way or another, who have already drawn all possible conclusions for themselves a long time ago.
Is it possible to dissuade you personally in something significant? I doubt.
So I asked, what the hell did it matter who owned the helicopter that killed the people? What will this give the forum participants, except for a feeling of dubious satisfaction, such as "I knew it; what else to expect from a bucket" and the like?

You also sharpen your fringes

Naturally. Like all the other participants. That is why the commentary of the Pessimist22 we are discussing is nothing more than meaningless, empty chatter, which, in principle, cannot decide anything or affect anything.

[Looking for]

yeah. judging by the "detskom.niku. you absolutely did not take place-. nothing goes by over the years.

[user]

So I asked, what the hell did it matter who owned the helicopter that killed the people?

Well, if what's the difference, what did you start to write with kerosene?

[Andrey VOV]

And non-members of the food do not commit murders?

[Peak]

It is known that the VGTRK journalist was also on board. According to the latest information, he survived.

According to updated information, this journalist is an economic observer and director of the SberData laboratory Nikolai Korzhenevsky.

Korzhenevsky is the author and presenter of the program "Economics. Course of the Day" on the Russia-24 TV channel.

According to the Roscongress Foundation, he received his master's degree from the State University - Higher School of Economics (Moscow, Russia), and trained at Stanford University (California, USA). He worked as the author and presenter of the Markets program on RBK-TV, and then as Deputy Head of the Center for Economic Forecasting at Gazprombank.
Now he also covers the activities of major economic events (Davos Forum, SPIEF). In parallel, he is working on a dissertation on the topic "Modern Methods of Monetary Policy and the Implicit Function of Central Banks" and continues his academic activities at the Higher School of Economics. Also in his track record is the post of director of the SberData laboratory.

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

And the helicopter was serviceable at the time of the accident. And what are the conclusions? And yet, have you ever thought that airlines are run by people from the United Russia and other transport? You will probably have to draw a conclusion and walk.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko

You will probably have to

Foggy morning ... The bourgeoisie carry the heresy on duty.

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

I have a question for Pessemist22 and lwxx. What kind of posts do these comrades have and a question from me. The fog is not mine.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko

airlines are run by people from EP and other transport

Specifically, they sit in the cockpit and control the helicopters?

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

The helicopter belongs to the company of Igor Redkin, who shot a man in Kamchatka, he was sent under house arrest, he is from United Russia.

here, too, it is not said that they are directly sitting at the helm, although they are no exception. My question is for Pissemist22.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

***

O Lord our God, heal the sickness, heal the passions of the souls and bodies of Thy servants in the catastrophe of those who suffered.
Master of life and death! Hear our prayer and remember those who perished in Your Kingdom, grant to those who have departed forgiveness and forgiveness of sins.
For Thou art our life and our resurrection, and we glory to Thee with Thy beginningless Father and the Most Holy, and Good, and Thy Life-giving Spirit, now and ever, and forever and ever.

Have mercy, O Lord, on the souls of Thy servants who have gone into eternal life without Holy Baptism. Your fates are unsearchable. Do not put this prayer of mine into sin. But Thy holy will be done.

***

[HaByxoDaBHocep]

Why are you, Uncle, you got it right, there is no God and we are not slaves

[Egoza]

Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep

There is no God and we are not slaves

Anecdote:
Maria Ivanovna (teacher in a Soviet school) to children: there is no God! Raise your hands to the sky and show your fig! Senya! Why aren't you doing what I said?
Senya: Mary Ivanna! If there is no God, then to whom are we showing a fig? And if there is, then why spoil the relationship in advance?
xxxxxxxxxx
But seriously, never interfere with believers. Maybe their prayer will help more than the Ministry of Emergencies

[ohka]

There are no unbelievers in the falling aircraft.

[Asad]

I was immediately given a warning for such freethinking.

[Piramidon]

Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep

Why are you, Uncle, you got it right, there is no God and we are not slaves

All his comments are very "informative", they come down to either songs or prayers.

[Pessimist22]

Zeus, the father of gods and people, immortals and mortals, reigns over the whole world and Olympus. He is the strongest of the gods. ...

[Cat Alexandrovich]

There is no God, incl. and Zeus.

[Vadim237]

Alas, belief in God does not affect the laws of physics.

[K-36]

Alas, belief in God does not affect the laws of physics.
Vadim, from this post of yours, you can see such an assumption in your address that you did not have to feel the gates of the Lord a couple of meters from you. I remember three such cases for the rest of my life (although there were four more under the heading "Alyarm!"
So I report not only to you, but also to all readers of this Topic, that in all three cases, I must have included the mysterious option of the brain. I would call it "watching video in slow motion 10 times slower than the original." That is, the situation in real time lasted 5-10 seconds, and during this time the brain managed to scroll through dozens of scenarios and, not finding an acceptable way out, managed to apologize on my behalf from my relatives, friends, and indeed everyone else on Earth. He asked not to remember it dashingly. Then ...
Then the gates of the Lord were pulled back and they themselves were hidden in heaven. Then...
Then huge stress, long memories and reflections. I really wanted to understand (in a calm now atmosphere) but were there any possible actions on my part that could defuse the situation? And the answer didn’t come. Therefore, for a long time, recurring dreams with a reproduction of what happened. Apparently the brain, even in dreams, was painfully looking for this solution.
That is why I have a question in my life: "And who put into a person such an option for playing video in very slow motion?!". After all, this is a clear help from Above, in order to give a reserve of Time to the brain to find the necessary solution!
However, both in the literature and in the Internet video, descriptions of the inclusion of such an option are often found. Moreover, they are described by the primary sources in almost the same way.
PS: in this post I did not include such cases as descent to the ground on a reserve parachute in the number of those mentioned, because if the Instructions are followed correctly, these cases do not fall into the category of "Alyarm!"

[Thrifty]

In general, as far as I understand, the bodies of passengers have not yet been found completely? Otherwise, all the numbers are approximate .... I would like the tourists not found yet to be found alive, at least!

[NDR-791]

Quote: Thrifty

In general, as far as I understand, the bodies of the passengers have not yet been found completely, otherwise all the numbers are approximate ...

Data for now. Eight survivors were followed by a board of "disaster medicine". The helicopter lies at a depth of 100 meters. I would wait, maybe there will be more accurate information from the VGTRK correspondent, if he really was there and survived.

[Captain45]

Quote: ohka

There are no unbelievers in the falling aircraft.

That's for sure, he himself sat down 2 times on the forced in the tundra, unpleasant sensations., But at least they sat down, and the "U-teir" skies during the work 4 times fought with the victims.

Quote: NDR-791

The helicopter lies at a depth of 100 meters.

Yes, when you fly through the Yenisei, how do you think that the water is still 40 meters in the fairway below you

[Laksamana besar]

So far, the divers cannot descend to the helicopter lying at the bottom of the lake, since their equipment is not designed for descents to a depth of more than 20 meters. This is reported by the head office of the Ministry of Emergency Situations in the Kamchatka Territory.

Crew:
Sorokin Nikolay - aircraft commander
Medvedev Yakov - navigator, rescued
Madiev Marat - mechanic, rescued

Passengers:
Ponomareva Anastasia - saved
Strelkin Victor - saved
Malyakov Mikhail - saved
Kovantsev Georgy - saved
Korzhenevsky Nikolay - saved
Antipina Elena - saved
Kulakov Evgeny
Olga Kremneva
Malyakov Daniel
Mozoleva Irina
Kirill Skvarnikov
Chernova Elvira
Kharitonova Elena

[jonht]

At the moment, our local media write that 8 people were taken to the regional hospital, two of them are seriously ill. 8 people not found.

[tech3030]

To the relatives of the victims - condolences, those who survived health and recover faster!

[tlauicol]

I always thought that a nature reserve is a nature reserve! closed area, not entertainment for the rich.
sorry for people!

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Tlauicol

I always thought that a nature reserve is a nature reserve! closed area, not entertainment for the rich.
sorry for people!

Lake Kurilskoye, part of the South Kamchatka State Nature Reserve (created in 1995), which is a branch of the Kronotsky State Nature Reserve.
The difference between a nature reserve and a reserve is that a reserve is a territory completely excluded from human economic activity, and a reserve is a certain area of ​​the territory in which certain species of plants or animals are protected.
Certain types of economic activities are prohibited in the zakazniks, those that may harm the protected objects. Economic activities that do not damage the protected objects in the reserves are permitted.
The lake is mainly a spawning ground for sockeye salmon. Earlier, there were many poachers along the Ozernaya River up to the confluence with the lake and its banks. So I understand that part of the money from the tours goes to finance security measures.
I feel sorry for the people on board the helicopter ... their relatives.

[kytx]

I made fun of .brakush
They were there and they will be

[Lynx2000]

Quote: kytx

I made fun of .brakush
They were there and they will be

The cons are not from me ...
I don’t deny there are poachers, but not in such numbers and insolence as 20 years ago ...

[kytx]

Well, more than 20 years ago, one "scientist" wrote a report that so many salmon would enter Lake Nerpichye that she would crush herself and urgently need to mow her, otherwise she could not herself for a million years
Mowed. Some have raised their fortunes.
And we are just brakushi

[lwxx]

Quote: kytx

Well, just over 20 years ago, one "scientist" wrote a report that so many sockeye salmon will enter Lake Nerpichye that it will crush itself and it is urgently necessary to mow it. Some of the state raised.

They even entered the Federation Council.

[Lynx2000]

Are you from Ust-Kamchatsk? There was a case in 2000, when fish traders did not allow fish to enter the rivers for spawning to enter. Some medium and small "fish-miners" committed suicide.
Previously, poaching brigades independently traveled to the coast and rivers, setting up a camp, nets, gutting fish on the spot, taking only yastyki (doing the ambassador on the spot). If no fishing gear was found on the spot, caviar could have escaped punishment, even a flogged fish in a neighboring pit could not be evidence.
Currently, the main poachers are fishing enterprises, etc. tribal communities with grounds for being in fishing areas.

[kytx]

I'm not with U-K, but I've been there a lot and know the local realities well.
As for the large fishing organizations, you are absolutely right that all the harm comes from them. The punishment for poaching was toughened in Kamchatka, they began to shoot at the inspectors, earlier this was unthinkable.

[Lynx2000]

It was like this before. They fired from a shalomaniac, moreover, at a helicopter with a SOBR on board, it was in the mid-00s. There were cases when in the 90s, early 00s, they shot from the shore at fish inspectors ...

[bk316]

closed area, not entertainment for the rich.

You see Ivan, you have learned something new ...

[Laksamana besar]

According to preliminary data, the cause of the crash could be the weather - the helicopter was landing in poor visibility due to fog. Also, a piloting error or technical malfunction is not excluded.

We measured the depth of the helicopter - 137 meters, while the divers do not have the equipment that allows them to descend to such depths, a maximum of 20 meters.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

FAC killer, 100%. I myself am a military helicopter pilot in the past, I graduated from the Saratov Military Air Force School in 1984, so even that scanty information is enough for me to make such a conclusion.
And do not expect guild solidarity from me, this is how we are pilots and differ from doctors, we will never cover up a colleague if he is really to blame.
Yes, I did not fly much in the Mi-8T, only at the graduation year of the school, more than that I remembered how we shook off the zvizdyuley from the commanders, when, using the fact that the aerobatic zones slightly clinging to the Volga (Volgograd Reservoir), we tried to carry out a flight task over it. And the reasoning of the commanders was simple, the quality of the Mi-8T without engines early four. From 600 meters in height you can stretch a maximum of 2400 meters, and the width of the reservoir reached 14 km.
Now in detail.
1. A pilot-in-command is obliged to plan the flight, thinking ahead, in case of refusal and other unforeseen situations. That is, constantly wondering where you can make an emergency landing. Especially if you have passengers on board and the car is 38 years old. Despite the fact that the general designer himself assigned her 25 years of life, even if she just stands in the parking lot.
But this one managed to climb the lake, and even in rather difficult conditions. What did he think, already having one flight accident through his own fault?
It's a mystery to me how the PIC was left after that incident. There, even a co-pilot to stay for happiness, not to fly to the ground.
And the fact that he is a military pilot in the past does not prove anything. After being transferred to the reserve, in the overwhelming case, talented pilots work as security guards, and the nosy ones return to the sky.
It is no secret that in any graduation from a military school there are candidates who would be cleverly expelled, but they pull them out until graduation, because someone is someone's relative, someone is simply resourceful, and in general you don't want to spoil the picture. The command of the school consoles itself with the fact that once these "talents" are in the army, they will sit on the right armchairs and will not do much harm.
But in reality, these shots make much more successful careers, although the sky puts everything in its place too cruelly.
And everyone is surprised how a whole major (and above) managed in an elementary situation to spread the board and kill the crew.
2. And the most important thing. There was no fatal equipment failure.
I do not even mention the fact that the crew did not report anything on the air. This happens in two cases: the emergency situation developed too rapidly and the crew did something on their own.
Simply, the presence of survivors, and most importantly, the surviving crew in their "glass veranda" leave no other options:
In the morning, fog is curling beautifully over the lake, passengers are delighted and want to photograph everything in a photo-video.
The PIC, who had forgotten that he had an old Mi-8T with 3000 l / s in takeoff mode, did not think of anything better how to hover over the lake.
Further optional:
- did not take into account that there is no air cushion above the water;
- corny, there was not enough power to hover outside the air cushion zone;
- sudden loss of power by one or both engines, for example surging (the only failure that I admit, but it does not cancel the fault of the PIC);
- sank into fog and lost spatial position;
- splashes of water lifted by the propeller hit the engine inlet and cut off the power.
3. Even if I am mistaken, which is unlikely, the PIC was simply obliged to bypass the lake, and not to show off in front of the passengers.

[Flashpoint]

Clearly and clearly stated! Thank you!

[vovochkarzhevsky]

I will also add that the helicopter fell 800 meters from the coastline. It's like falling over a short-range drive, when the height of the order of 100 meters was supposed to be and the speed of 150 km / h.
The option of being lost in the fog will not work, satellite navigation is such that in my time they did not dream of such accuracy.
In addition, eyewitnesses note only one hit on the water, as if hovering. When you hit the water at speed, you fly off like a pebble. There was such a shameful incident in my biography, although I am partially to blame. The commander was distracted by a conversation with the flyer, and I slipped too. 200 about water on the Mi-24. But even a tiny point of contact of the aiming device was enough to bounce the ball off. Even the helicopter was not broken.

[K-36]

Uv. Vladimir (vovochkarzhevsky). About the case that you mentioned shameful, I will ask you this question: "How could you prevent the Mi-24 from coming into contact with water?"
Let me emphasize that the answer is needed not so much for me as for other readers of Themes, who are no sideways to military aviation.
I believe that your answer will definitely mention some words through the internal intercom ...
Sincerely,

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Yes, just raise the pitch of the screw when the board began to sink.

[bk316]

FAC assassin, 100%

I will add more.
Since there is little in the topic regarding Kamchatka and tourist turntables.
There, 80% of interesting places can only be reached by helicopter.
The views are awesome, but no one flies into the fog. Nothing is visible.
Yes, and in the mountains in the fog in a helicopter to carry tourists is already something transcendental.
At our base, the turntable stood for a week because of the fog, and there were not even tourists there, it simply did not return to Yelizovo.
So in this place, in the fog, you can only poaching.
There is a nature reserve or a license area wherever you spit, and tourists on turntables spit on it.
So they persuaded the FAC to catch a fish. It is very convenient just in the fog ...
And he did not sit where he always was, because the usual places are right at the cordon, there they will not have enough impudence to catch them.

[Andrey VOV]

So, understanding there, the whole trick of such flights is to show the beauty of the lake, fly over it ... That's the result

[bk316]

So I understanding there the whole trick of such flights is to show the beauty of the lake,

Chips are always 2.
Show beauty.
To marry a little.
The first is in the fog so-so.
According to the second, it is such a gold standard. The fish where you can only get there by a pinwheel, or in the reserve, not frightened and large. Tourists are crazy, everyone is happy. Nothing superfluous, they do not catch 100 fish, and the time for fishing is maximum an hour. But adequate pilots do not fly in fog. It happens that a group flew, sat down like this by the lake and was covered with fog. It's okay to sit and wait for the weather, even spend the night. The turntable has everything for this, in general, even everyone is happy - an adventure.

[lwxx]

I do not beg for your professionalism, but this is the second accident in Kamchatka recently. And again GPS, which are not standard installed on the aircraft. They do not advertise much, especially on the AN-26, but it is there that the readings of the GPS system are the cause of the accident. I would not be surprised if the situation is the same here.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

And what, modern GPS gives an error of 800 meters? Something is doubtful, in this case it is better to check your place using your smartphone.

[lwxx]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

And what, modern GPS gives an error of 800 meters? Something is doubtful, in this case it is better to check your place using your smartphone.

Height, height .... Error in height. I don’t know why the pilots of the AN 26 ignored the signals about the approach from the ground of the standard device. I think the situation is the same here.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Because they deliberately ignored them due to air hooliganism.

[Laksamana besar]

One of the passengers of the Mi-8 helicopter, which sank in the Kuril Lake in Kamchatka during an unsuccessful landing attempt, spoke about how he managed to survive the crash:

So, according to Georgy Kovantsev, the group of tourists consisted of two parts - six Muscovites and six Petersburgers. The excursion route was long, and the Kuril Lake in the Kronotsky Nature Reserve was supposed to be an intermediate stop. When the helicopter began to descend, everything was normal and no one reported any problems. Nevertheless, the passenger noticed that the fog was very thick and dense, “in the form of milk.” Then the roll went to the bow and instantly flooded the side. I saw a palm-sized gap in the rear ramp. She, apparently, opened up on impact. I put my hand in there, and then everything else, it opened with water. And so everyone who was in the tail swam out. There were exactly half of them. Eight people, ”Kovantsev recalls. The Russian also added that in order to swim out, he needed to do a lot of strokes, and as a result, after 30-40 seconds he was on the surface of the water. At that time, according to him, the helicopter was already deep enough, the passengers wasted time trying to open the door from the inside ...

[bk316]

Lucky however. The ramp is not easy to open.
And of course it's easier to get out through it than through the door.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

There is no ramp on the Mi-8T, there are doors.

[kytx]

Quite right :)
Above, I laid out everything well
But wrong in 2 points

one . they don't fly in the fog in Kamchatka, if there is even a drop of self-preservation. The most difficult thing is flying over the local mountains, so light helicopters did not take root, and in the fog it is stupidly not comme il faut at all. No matter where.

2 quite a few military pilots go to GA. They pay there.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

1. The question is what kind of fog. Advective, which covers huge areas, or radiation, shtetl. The second, if it interferes with flights, then if it closes the airfield, or the landing area. And the radiation fog can look very beautiful from a height, especially in the morning over a reservoir.
2. Did I say that military pilots do not come to GA? I said that not all of them. The fact is that for a modern civil aviation, a military pilot who has retired from service is no one to call him. This was greeted with open arms in the Soviet Aeroflot. And now, without a heap of evidence that more than a dozen greenery stand and do not come. So a kind of sieve was formed, for the more resourceful.

[bk316]

they don't fly in the fog in Kamchatka,

Yes exactly. A little clarification.
On the turntables. Civilians.

[kytx]

Humor. Appreciated. Army men don't fly. Yes, consider them not. Sailors nuuu really need ...

[bk316]

Army men don't fly.

By civilian I meant the comers.
Emergencies Ministry and doctors fly. They flew to our base, generally in milk.

[kytx]

I once worked as a guide. I took people to freeride.
Was familiar with one KVS saw him only in two guises
Either drunk in kakundel, or by the handle. But the master was.

[sergant682]

Today I got an audio file where someone talks about the analysis of the disaster. I do not dare to publish, because there is a fear that the source will "arrive" (and maybe this is the secret of the polish?). But in general it looks like this: 1. The red army is the strongest of all, therefore it is freed from fuckers.
2. Morons through Roaviation where everything is bought get crusts and carry people.
3. The military and civilians have different training, the first to fly in and bomb the village, no matter what it would be, civilians first of all save people.
4. This FAC almost killed people once before, but in spite of everything remained in office.
5.Vertushki there were 2, and if the PIC was the first to make a competent decision and sat down on the shore until the border of the fog, then the 2nd decided to try to sit where it was planned, the Doppler radio altimeter was used over the lake, which is desperately lying above the water ... that's the result.
Without disputing the preliminary conclusions (this is a matter of the competent authorities), obvious snobbery is thrown, I do not even know what else to call such an obvious separation of military pilots (in this case) and "correct" civilians in targeting, as if they did not have a dumping of the Tu 154 under Donetsk, landing on a flat under the curtain, saving on anti-icing treatment, landing approaches it is not clear how, admitting strangers into the cockpit, just calm contemplation of how their board falls, there are hundreds, if not thousands of such examples ...

[Glagol1]

Flight on the Mi-8 in adverse weather conditions is not at all a gift. Then something happened, otherwise they would have sat down.