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The death of the Russian forest and the issue of management quality

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The area of ​​forest fires in Russia is larger than the combined fires in Greece, Turkey, Italy, the United States and Canada. This is a real disaster, the Russian forest is dying. The authorities blame everything on abnormal weather conditions that led to giant fires. However, a more reasonable explanation is the quality of management in the current Russian Federation and the complete collapse of the forest industry. The same one that covered education, health care, culture, art, industry, etc.


Russian forest and people are dying


The forest guard was "optimized", that is, reduced and destroyed. In the interests of a narrow group of beneficiaries who received all the benefits after the collapse of the USSR. 1% of the population of Russia is getting richer and richer every year. The merchant class, which thrives in the conditions of the "pipe" economy, the export of national wealth from the state, including timber.

The Russian forest is dying. Its felling is growing every year: legal and illegal. So, if in 2010 it was officially allowed to cut down more than 173 million cubic meters of forest, then in 2015 the figure reached 205 million cubic meters, and in 2016-2017 - more than 210 million. Millions of hectares of forests were lost as a result of felling and fires. Annually in Russia there are from 9 to 35 thousand forest fires, which cover an area of ​​500 to 3,5 million hectares. On average, the annual material losses of Russia from these fires are 20 billion rubles. Plus an increase in the death rate of the people due to the deterioration of the environment, the death of hearts, people with respiratory diseases.

Russia is losing the forests with which the whole is connected story of the Russian people. The forest is a breadwinner, a protector during enemy invasions and a dwelling. The Russian soul is associated with the forest, forest rivers, lakes and swamps. Nature is dying, and people are dying out.

Quality of management


From year to year, the authorities are trying to shift all the blame for the fires on the weather, mushroom pickers, berry pickers, gardeners, etc. However, the element is only one of the factors, and obviously not leading.

The main reason is the optimization of all forest protection measures. A total reduction in funding. From the USSR, the Russian Federation inherited an excellent system for the protection and restoration of forests. But in 2006, a new Forest Code was adopted, which, in essence, eliminated the state forest protection and the system of forestry bodies. Of the entire army of 83 thousand people of the State Forestry Protection Department, less than a thousand people remained in the Rosprirodnadzor!

One forester stayed on an area commensurate with half of Moscow! He must protect the forest, drive poachers, fight fires, restore flora and fauna. And even for a beggarly salary. So the Russian forest burns every year. Whole areas are burned out. This year Yakutia is burning terribly, the smoke from forest fires has already reached the Urals and Kazakhstan, the train has reached the North Pole of the Earth. Karelia, Mordovia and Bashkiria are on fire, Primorye burns out in spring.

An example can be cited in Belarus, where the Soviet tradition of forest conservation has been preserved. There are more foresters there than in the Russian Federation, although there are significantly fewer forests. In White Russia, there are no such large fires as in Western Europe or Russia. That is, it is enough to restore what was in the Soviet Union in the field of forest protection and the problem as a whole will be solved. Increase funding. Recognize that this is a national disaster, like Turkey or Greece. Raise an army, appeal to the people, abandon regiments and battalions of volunteers and defeat the elements.

However, the point is in the system.

The current system, created in the 1990s and only slightly retouched in the 2000s, has turned Russia into a raw material appendage of the West and the East. Beneficiaries are a small group, about 1%. The people pay for all the losses, and not only the present generations, but also the future ones. All the thoughtful talk about the protection of nature and ecology is idle chatter, informational noise. Forests will be cut down, they will burn until the very concept of Russia's development is changed from unfair (in the interests of world and Russian big capital) to fair (in the interests of the overwhelming majority of the people and the state).

Love of money


Another reason for large-scale fires (and catastrophic floods in spring) is the accumulated negative effect of the merciless destruction of Russian forests. The forest, including the forest shelter belts planted during the Soviet era along roads, ravines, rivers, etc., holds water. The mighty forest is full-flowing rivers and streams, lakes and swamps. Deforestation of millions of hectares is a change in water balances. Drying out of swamps and other bodies of water. The taiga in Siberia is being cut down at a terrible pace, and the rest is drying up over vast areas, like other forests in Russia. Previously, fires most often could not spread over a huge territory, they were stopped by wetlands. The fire now spreads much faster and over a much larger area.

In the spring, the country is covered with annual "natural" disasters - floods, heavy floods. Both in Russia and in Ukraine. The forest is cut down, it does not absorb, does not hold back water. Snow masses fill the rivers, they overflow the banks, cause more damage than if there were forest shelter belts, large forests. Plus the collapse and "optimization" of the system for maintaining order, restoration and construction of new water protection structures, cleaning river beds, etc.

The question is the greed and greed of the Russian "elite". They “earn” on new planes, villas and yachts, fill caches with millions and billions of rubles, euros and dollars, gold and jewelry. Deep Russia sinks or burns out. And quietly dies out, while the elite arrange a feast during the plague.
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  1. Scipio
    Scipio 13 August 2021 04: 38
    +39
    The main cause of fires is beneficial to a certain circle of people. How many fires are arranged on purpose. The main thing is to grab into your pocket, and what will happen next, they don't care. And in our country, in many areas, this is the situation.
    1. SERGE ANT
      SERGE ANT 13 August 2021 06: 28
      +43
      it is beneficial to a certain circle of people
      Cui bono question? in such cases it is necessary to put, of course. But there are many reasons, not only set on fire. In the Soviet Union, the same fire-prevention mineralized belts were regularly renewed, now there is no diesel fuel for this business, almost everything is overgrown! In central Russia, it may be different, but in we have no money, no people, the foresters were "optimized" (in other words, they were practically destroyed as a class) mln .. In the same Yakutia there are practically no black lumberjacks - this factor is absent, since the transport distance, low value of the forest stand, low productivity of plantations, high prime cost, does not provide opportunities for the development of the timber industry complex. Thus, with an allowable cut of 35 million cubic meters per year, only 1 million cubic meters are cut down annually, and that is mainly for the local population's own needs. The main cause of forest fires in Yakutia is a high accumulation of combustible material (have you seen how many needles attack from the same larch?), Hot, dry summers and dry thunderstorms. ...
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 13 August 2021 06: 38
        +14
        We can give the example of Belarus, where the Soviet tradition of forest protection has been preserved. There are more foresters there than in the Russian Federation, although there are significantly fewer forests. In White Russia there are no such large fires as in Western Europe or Russia. That is, it is enough to restore what was in the Soviet Union in the field of forest protection and the problem as a whole will be solved.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 13 August 2021 07: 01
          +17
          Now all life is saturated with politics. Recently I asked about the fires in Yakutia. So my answer is, in the spirit, nonsense that burns, the main thing is not to dare to offend the Kremlin .. I asked why the monument to Gagarin was demolished and again I am hired by the State Department ..
          So even such an ecological question, why the forests are burning, has an economic and political background.
          1. Civil
            Civil 13 August 2021 08: 40
            +11
            The question is the greed and greed of the Russian "elite". They “earn” on new planes, villas and yachts, fill caches with millions and billions of rubles, euros and dollars, gold and jewelry. Deep Russia sinks or burns out. And quietly dies out, while the elite arrange a feast during the plague.

            But the fact that? The proposal is the same - to go out and stand on your knees in your yard. The fine will come by mail. I do not advise you to repeat it a second time - you will go for extremism.
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 13 August 2021 10: 22
              +15
              By the way, about extremism, it would be funny, but alas, for some reason it is sad. Today's people are very fond of talking about repression. However, liberal repressions will be angrier.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 13 August 2021 11: 37
                +12
                Quote: Gardamir
                By the way, about extremism, it would be funny, but alas, for some reason it is sad. Today's people are very fond of talking about repression. However, liberal repressions will be angrier.

                Whoever yells more on the bus about spoiled air is the one who spoiled ..
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 13 August 2021 11: 37
              +12
              Quote: Civil
              But the fact that? The proposal is the same - to go out and stand on your knees in your yard. The fine will come by mail. I do not advise you to repeat it a second time - you will go for extremism.

              The best solution in this situation is a total strike .. not to pay for housing and communal services, not to pay loans .. but then, of course, only all at once .. that's when they start to burn ..
              1. Icarus
                Icarus 13 August 2021 18: 08
                +2
                not pay for housing and communal services
                , and the cleaners and janitors have to do with it? To clarify your idea, perhaps you meant not to pay utility service providers, that is, monopolies (gas, electricity, water, municipal solid waste, thermal energy). So they have the technical and legal (except for heating) the ability to disconnect defaulters from the specified resources. How long can you last without water? However squiggle. Maybe it's better not to touch the communal apartment? A strike is not going to work, but going out, for example, on the roadway. And what you are proposing is more of a moratorium on payments, not a strike. But I like the general message of your thought. And the article is correct, thanks to the author.
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 13 August 2021 11: 34
            +15
            Quote: Gardamir
            So even such an ecological question, why the forests are burning, has an economic and political background.

            And the fact that our oil regularly spills and pollutes thousands of square meters .. this is just a disregard for nature and an act of deepest disrespect for people .. because those who own the "national" property do not want to invest a dime in safety. and there is no one to ask them .. And then they wanted to adopt a law that would sell all the forests to private hands .. I don’t know they accepted it or they didn’t have time to harass the country ..
            1. Aag
              Aag 13 August 2021 16: 56
              +12
              Quote: Svarog
              Quote: Gardamir
              So even such an ecological question, why the forests are burning, has an economic and political background.

              And the fact that our oil regularly spills and pollutes thousands of square meters .. this is just a disregard for nature and an act of deepest disrespect for people .. because those who own the "national" property do not want to invest a dime in safety. and there is no one to ask them .. And then they wanted to adopt a law that would sell all the forests to private hands .. I don’t know they accepted it or they didn’t have time to harass the country ..

              Individuals, apparently especially close ones, acquire material benefits. And all the expenses for the localization of the negative consequences of such activities fall on the State))) (read - on the taxpayers).
              ... So, in general terms .. There are a lot of specific examples ... I foresee a lot of opponents, I think, not a single one will be "from the ground" (forest plots, regions prone to these events .. (((().
              1. Revival
                Revival 13 August 2021 23: 22
                +3
                "And all the expenses for the localization of the negative consequences of such activities are borne by the State."

                The burdens do not fall on the State, and in principle they cannot do this with all their will
          3. Snail N9
            Snail N9 14 August 2021 13: 07
            +5
            I liked the answer of my aunt (Golikova?) When she was asked why Russian planes extinguish fires in Turkey and Greece, and we have volunteers with bicycle pumps: "In the same place (Turkey and Greece) relict forests are dying! And there is a threat to people!" This is what happens: we have taiga - it's not like "relict" - and to hell with it, and we have no threat to people? Or are we not people, but garbage, figs with them? The head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations (who remembers his last name?) Spoke more honestly: "They (in Turkey and Greece) pay ..."
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 13 August 2021 07: 55
        -36
        So you yourself answered your own question. Nafig this forest in Yakutia is not needed by anyone, it is not enough to cut it, there is no danger to the population from the fact that something is burning somewhere in 100 km. So why bother with bullshit? No other business? At the same time, fires destroy overmature forests, that is, this is a natural factor that renews the population.
        1. Aag
          Aag 13 August 2021 17: 00
          +17
          Quote: EvilLion
          So you yourself answered your own question. Nafig this forest in Yakutia is not needed by anyone, it is not enough to cut it, there is no danger to the population from the fact that something is burning somewhere in 100 km. So why bother with bullshit? No other business? At the same time, fires destroy overmature forests, that is, this is a natural factor that renews the population.

          Excuse me, colleague, where do you live?
          Three (!) Weeks The sun is not visible! (Irkutsk). Only a week ago the media began to talk about the fires in Irk. region And so, everything carried from Yakutia! Would you like to breathe ?!
          1. ism_ek
            ism_ek 15 August 2021 11: 29
            +3
            Quote: AAG
            Excuse me, colleague, where do you live?
            Three (!) Weeks The sun is not visible! (Irkutsk). Only a week ago the media began to talk about the fires in Irk. region And so, everything carried from Yakutia! Would you like to breathe ?!

            So we come to the main problem of the Yakut fires. People in Siberian cities have nothing to breathe.
            Excuse me, dear, but if ash from a volcano in Kamchatka fell on your head, would you suggest to concrete the volcano?
            Of course, there is a problem. It is necessary to master both Yakutia and the north of the Irkutsk region. Build roads, bridges, fill swamps ...
            People here compare Belarus and Yakutia .... Enter "Lena federal highway" in the search engine and see the photo. Extinguishing forest fires is primarily a logistics issue. Extinguishing from the air is spectacular, but practically useless.
        2. Aag
          Aag 13 August 2021 17: 08
          +6
          Quote: EvilLion
          So you yourself answered your own question. Nafig this forest in Yakutia is not needed by anyone, it is not enough to cut it, there is no danger to the population from the fact that something is burning somewhere in 100 km. So why bother with bullshit? No other business? At the same time, fires destroy overmature forests, that is, this is a natural factor that renews the population.

          Take the trouble to look at the map. How many kilometers must the air masses travel, with smoke, to reach Irkutsk? And is it okay that the north of the Irkutsk region (bordering Yakutia) is strong in the north? ...
          And, yes ... At the same time, the river basin. The hangars are heavily flooded (while the dachas, who gave the building permit?)
          Again, no one is responsible for anything ...
        3. Spring fluff
          Spring fluff 13 August 2021 20: 24
          +6
          I'm trying to figure it out. I typed in Yandex the request "forest area in the Russian Federation" - gave out that 800 million hectares. Even if we remove half (a rough estimate of what should not be cut down and what should not burn, such as forests in populated regions where they should be monitored and protected), then 400 million hectares of "free wild" forest. The article says that the area of ​​fires up to 4 million hectares per year is less than 1%. Cutting down 200 million cubic meters - 1 cubic meter from 2 hectares (a piece of wood is 100 by 100 meters, Yandex gives out 1 cubic meters per 150m ha) - at first glance it looks acceptable.
          But
          I also looked - the area of ​​fires in the Russian Federation by years. Here it is indicated that until 2018 within 3 million hectares. 2019-20 jump to 9-10 million hectares. It is unclear whether it is possible to believe this, because there is no peak in 2012 (should there be 18 million?)
          https://ierarp.ru/ploshhad-lesnyx-pozharov-v-rossii-s-1990-po-2018-god/

          TASS writes 1,5 million hectares are now on fire (this is in the moment)
          https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/12119191?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&nw=1628874763000
          Here they write that only in Yakutia 7 million hectares burned down
          https://iz.ru/1205346/veronika-kulakova/skolko-nagorelo-pozhary-2021-goda-mogut-pobit-antirekord-xxi-veka

          Here, with reference to Rosleskhoz, they write about 16 million hectares https://iz.ru/1205346/veronika-kulakova/skolko-nagorelo-pozhary-2021-goda-mogut-pobit-antirekord-xxi-veka
          According to ISDM-Rosleskhoz, the area covered by fire in Russia since the beginning of 2021 is already over 16 million hectares. This is 2,5 million hectares more than in the same period last year. The Russian anti-record of the XXI century still remains for 2012: then 18 million hectares of forests burned down.
          1. Spring fluff
            Spring fluff 13 August 2021 20: 38
            +2
            In the USA, about 0,5 million hectares are on fire https://tengrinews.kz/world_news/masshtabnyie-lesnyie-pojaryi-ohvatili-ssha-kanadu-i-rossiyu-443692/

            By the way, you can probably estimate the effect of a nuclear winter. The area of ​​our 10 largest cities is about 0,95 million hectares. So now the area is 20 times larger.
            Top 10 largest cities in Russia by area
            Moscow (2561 sq. Km)
            Saint Petersburg (1439 sq. Km)
            Volgograd (859 sq. Km)
            Perm (799 sq. Km)
            Ufa (707 sq. Km)
            Tyumen (698 sq. Km)
            Orsk (621 sq. Km)
            Voronezh (596 sq. Km)
            Kazan (588 sq. Km)
            Omsk (566 sq. Km)
            9 sq km
            943 400 ha
        4. Revival
          Revival 13 August 2021 23: 24
          +9
          Yes, yes, no danger ..
          Do you want to breathe smoke for at least two months and improve your health?
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 13 August 2021 08: 50
        +15
        Quote: SERGE ant
        But there are many reasons here, not only set it on fire. Under the Soviet Union, the same fire-prevention mineralized zones were regularly renewed, now there is no diesel fuel for this business, almost everything is overgrown! In central Russia, it may be different, but we have neither money nor people , foresters "optimized" (in other words, practically destroyed as a class) mln.

        You have identified the consequences, and the reason is poor management, although if you take into account the "Plan for the disposal of Russia", then we can talk about malicious intent.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 August 2021 12: 37
          -20
          And the causes of fires are like natural dry thunderstorms, so the human factor smoked a cigarette butt threw them arranged a picnic with a kebab the coals did not extinguish and left they threw bottles in the forest someone decided to burn the garbage on the site in an open way someone decided to burn dead wood on the field - hence the fires throughout the country hot weather only adds and this is your "And the reason is poor management, although if you take into account the" Plan for the disposal of Russia ", then we can talk about malicious intent." - Delirium sucked from the fingers.
          1. Aag
            Aag 13 August 2021 17: 27
            +10
            Quote: Vadim237
            And the causes of fires are like natural dry thunderstorms, so the human factor smoked a cigarette butt threw them arranged a picnic with a kebab the coals did not extinguish and left they threw bottles in the forest someone decided to burn the garbage on the site in an open way someone decided to burn dead wood on the field - hence the fires throughout the country hot weather only adds and this is your "And the reason is poor management, although if you take into account the" Plan for the disposal of Russia ", then we can talk about malicious intent." - Delirium sucked from the fingers.

            You are definitely not in the subject. The shift workers, already at the first advance to the forest plots, make (!) Gobble butts on the palm of your hand (in the absence of a canning machine!) In KKNG "Uralov", "Kamazov" ... this!
            Another thing is to take out the wood. It is he who has risen in price in places of accumulation ... And there .. It is even easier, cheaper to abandon equipment (even imported) than to export it. Not to mention the wood! Sorry, you have very little idea of ​​what and how is happening. hi
          2. Revival
            Revival 13 August 2021 23: 27
            +5
            And the foresters have cut the smokers?
        2. Revival
          Revival 13 August 2021 23: 25
          +4
          There is no bad management, the management is just the same
      4. Svarog
        Svarog 13 August 2021 11: 30
        +19
        Quote: SERGE ant
        Have been re-optimized.

        It is interesting that we send planes to Turkey to extinguish fires .. and our forest .. to hell with it .. let it burn .. We forgive all debts .. because they will cut off their citizens more .. Attitude towards people, nature, ecology .. history. .. just terrifying .. As if the Nazis took over the country.
        1. MBRSS
          MBRSS 13 August 2021 15: 17
          +10
          we send planes to Turkey

          not just airplanes. How should the sale of the S-400 to a potential adversary, a NATO member, be regarded? It's just that Erdogan is Putin's bosom friend))
        2. Revival
          Revival 13 August 2021 23: 31
          +1
          "The attitude towards people ... is simply appalling."

          Why should it be different?
          Are there any compelling reasons?
          Please list?
        3. ism_ek
          ism_ek 15 August 2021 11: 36
          -2
          Have you extinguished many fires from planes in Turkey? It is useless to extinguish Yakut fires from an airplane.
      5. Disant
        Disant 13 August 2021 11: 38
        +3
        The main cause of forest fires in Yakutia is a high accumulation of combustible material

        .
        Under the Soviet Union, the same fire-prevention mineralized strips were regularly renewed, now there is no diesel fuel for this business, almost everything is overgrown!

        .
        I understood you correctly that "minimally"it's all about diesel fuel (? otherwise, can't you set fire to the forest?"foresters) - to locate and conduct arson - to prevent fires, for example, next year?
        .
        in general, who is a forester - an inspector? is the forester a worker? So?
        1. Disant
          Disant 13 August 2021 12: 06
          +5
          just the internet writes that the post forester - liquidated, and
          Forest guard functions are performed by district foresters and state forest inspectors.
          but at forester и inspectors I did not find in the duties extinguishing and prevention of fires, preventive felling.
          .
          who should do this?
          1. Letnab
            Letnab 13 August 2021 17: 27
            +7
            Everything was turned upside down ... the forestry enterprises, which previously conducted security and economic activities, including extinguishing fires, were turned into contractors that conduct business activities in the forest in the interests of forestry, including extinguishing fires ... those who were subordinate to the forestry enterprises, became an inspection ... In simple words, they changed the names with the distribution of functions ... In the forestries, the inspection, which does not have to work in the forest, because this is already an economic activity, and they are civil servants who cannot be waving a shovel and, as it were, earn money, corruption is possible, damn it ... In fact, the owner of the forest was removed from work, his head was turned on one side, he was tied on all limbs. And extinguishing can be carried out by contracting organizations such as forestry enterprises, specialized organizations such as Avialesoohrana, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, licensed volunteers, Such is the crap it turned out .. A lot can still be described, but you can get confused.
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      6. private person
        private person 13 August 2021 15: 40
        +5
        Under the Soviet Union, the same fire-prevention mineralized strips were regularly updated.

        With the union, it was easy to enter the forest, but now around the forest, a tractor is erected annually with a trench above the knee in depth. The question is why? The trench is overgrown with weeds and it is impossible to drive through it in order to collect the same deadwood, and in which case even the fire machine will not be threaded.
      7. svd-xnumx
        svd-xnumx 13 August 2021 21: 35
        +3
        Under the Soviet Union, the same fire-fighting mineralized belts were regularly renewed, now there is no diesel fuel for this business, almost everything is overgrown! as a class) mln.
        In central Russia, the same thing, only settlements and plots are plowing, the glades are littered with windbreaks. It is impossible to pass through the forest, everywhere the trees were destroyed by the typographer.
      8. Amin_vivec
        Amin_vivec 15 August 2021 21: 04
        0
        the forest area in Russia is also growing, more forest means more fires. Nobody canceled the pyrogenicity of forests.
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 13 August 2021 08: 07
      +9
      Russian forest and people are dying
      Everyone knows, and nothing more effective has been invented how to respond to terror - with terror.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 August 2021 09: 03
      +8
      Quote: Scipio
      The main cause of fires is beneficial to a certain circle of people.

      Yes, it's profitable!
    4. vlad106
      vlad106 14 August 2021 16: 42
      -1
      Quote: Scipio
      The main cause of fires is beneficial to a certain circle of people. How many fires are arranged on purpose. The main thing is to grab into your pocket, and what will happen next, they don't care. And in our country, in many areas, this is the situation.

      Definitely!
      So many people who want to warm their hands on any excesses ...
      It has long been clear that in collusion with legislators and oligarchs and capitalists and high officials, etc.
      And everyone strives to grab real estate abroad and open foreign currency accounts ...
      Whom to believe?
    5. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 15 August 2021 20: 15
      -2
      Quote: Scipio
      The main cause of fires is beneficial to a certain circle of people. How many fires are arranged on purpose. The main thing is to grab into your pocket, and what will happen next, they don't care. And in our country, in many areas, this is the situation.

      Who is to blame found out, now the question is - what to do?
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 August 2021 04: 43
    +17
    Fires are not the first year, but in the Kremlin everyone is sitting exactly, everything is fine there.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 13 August 2021 06: 55
      -11
      They were always in a bunch of regions. For example, in my Khabarovsk Territory, they are annually. Smog over the city is a common phenomenon since the time of Tsar Pea. Do you really think that they appeared only in the last 20 years or what?)
      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 13 August 2021 08: 34
        0
        One comrade, a Siberian, said the same thing to me ... they (says) have been burning all their lives (taiga), it's just that now the media have become more mobile + the Internet ..
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 13 August 2021 09: 05
          -4
          Exactly. It's just that most of Yakutia and the Far East in general and the taiga only know on TV. It burns and drowns here from year to year how many people live here. It's just that there are abnormal years like this one. When everything is stronger than usual. Somewhere every 6-7 years a cycle.
          1. Nazar
            Nazar 13 August 2021 17: 04
            +11
            carstorm 11 - I live in Siberia (Buryatia), yes, forests burned before, but not like now - there was someone to extinguish the fire at the very beginning. Now there is simply no forest protection, in Moscow there is no smell of smoke from the Yakut fires, for which we hundreds and hundreds of kilometers from Yakutia were covered with smoke. Of course, it is more prestigious to extinguish fires in Turkey or Greece than in some Yakutia.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 13 August 2021 17: 25
              -7
              This year is an anomaly. Well, there has never been such heat there for more than a month. I have no idea what forest protection can do when, back in the Union of KDVO, it was constantly involved from year to year. The paradox is that according to all our and international observations, the forest area is only growing mainly in our country. Recently, the Norwegians even laid out such data. Now the monitoring of the UAV situation is provided. Everything is much faster and faster. Well, as usual, there is little more than zero sense from planes in extinguishing forest fires. Everything is on the ground. For me personally, it is still strange how in the Union the forest guard provided at least something where there are not even directions. Did thousands of people go skiing 200+ km to the taiga?
    2. A009
      A009 13 August 2021 10: 38
      -11
      There were fires in the era of the dinosaurs. And the Kremlin still sat and didn’t fucking do. Can you imagine how it burned out? when the oxygen concentration was much higher. When even wet wood burns like a match (the concentration of O2 is above 25% and according to some sources it was 35, for example, the late Paleozoic) Nothing like the current fires. According to some reports, almost entire continents there burned out to be clean. It is clear that the problem is, it is clear that people's health is ruining. But you zadolbali already poke a politician everywhere!
      1. MBRSS
        MBRSS 13 August 2021 15: 32
        +11
        A009, dinosaurs did not pay taxes to the budget.
      2. Revival
        Revival 13 August 2021 23: 38
        +9
        Yeah, a cool analogy, like:
        "Why fight slavery, it has existed from time immemorial and no one in ancient Rome fought with it, and now it is not right to fight it, and you are all tying up politics."
      3. Andobor
        Andobor 14 August 2021 22: 06
        -5
        Quote: A009
        But you zadolbali already poke politics everywhere!

        Picked up cons. - Do not bother bot farms to cut the loot.
    3. Hypertension
      Hypertension 13 August 2021 11: 30
      +21
      Moreover, it is not clear: why the hell, against the background of such large-scale fires in Russia, the Kremlin elders are eager to help Greece and Turkey. It seems to me that, in comparison with the taiga, the forests of Greece (where is there so much forest? I thought Themistocles used the last forests for triremes in the 5th century BC) and the forests of Turkey can be extinguished a la "frogs resorted to - watered from a tub, two ruffs sailed - poured from a bucket. " Some kind of unhealthy love for the Turks in our government.
      1. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 13 August 2021 17: 02
        +9
        Andrew, you understand there in greece and not only their houses
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 13 August 2021 17: 27
        -15
        Because there is a possibility. Do you want to drive people from all over the country to Yakutia? So it won't do anything. There are more than enough of them, including volunteers. And to transfer a couple of boards will not take anything away from us. A drop in the sea.
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 13 August 2021 21: 11
          +7
          Quote: carstorm 11
          There are more than enough of them, including volunteers. And to transfer a couple of boards will not take anything away from us. A drop in the sea.

          I don't think extra hands will be in the way. And a "pair of aircraft" (specialized, some of the best in their class), or rather 3-4 according to various sources, is 25-33% of all Be-200s available to the Ministry of Emergencies.
          I could still understand if these were border countries with the risk of throwing fire on our territory or there would be no fires in Russia, but this help to other countries, when its own is on fire, is not normal.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 14 August 2021 00: 08
            -10
            The Be 200 in Yakutia is practically useless. There are couples behind the eyes.
          2. QWERTY
            QWERTY 14 August 2021 15: 06
            -1
            Listen, you at least google, or what - how many Be-200 or Il-76 are extinguished in one flight. With the scale that burns in Yakutia, these pair of planes are kind of like putting out spitting. If all the modern aviation of the Russian Federation is converted into water carriers, then they will not be extinguished. Why is it necessary to cram some kind of politics into any topic, while not understanding anything at the heart of the issue? Well, you love the Yakut forests with all your heart, drive it out as a volunteer, put it out.
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 14 August 2021 18: 07
              +4
              Quote: ytsuken
              With the scale that burns in Yakutia, these pair of planes are kind of like putting out spitting.

              I don't understand a damn thing why the Be-200 is good in Turkey, but in Yakutia they are of no use.
              Quote: ytsuken
              Well, you love the Yakut forests with all your heart, drive it out as a volunteer, put it out.

              This is how officials think about it ... "You need to - you do it! And for now, we will help" fraternal "Turkey for the grandmother.
              1. QWERTY
                QWERTY 14 August 2021 21: 00
                -5
                I wrote in Russian, understand the topic. If you don't understand, don't write nonsense. Divorced 15-ruble commentators. They don't understand anything, but there is a plug in every barrel.
                1. Hypertension
                  Hypertension 14 August 2021 21: 38
                  +4
                  Quote: ytsuken
                  They don't understand anything, but there is a plug in every barrel.

                  Yes, you do not understand anything. Or pretend. Any help is important for extinguishing fires in Yakutia. For example:
                  In June 2017, in the Kachugsky district of the Irkutsk region, the crew of the Be-200 amphibious aircraft of the Russian Emergencies Ministry rescued 20 paratroopers. When extinguishing a forest fire, people found themselves in a ring of fire. The crew of the Be-200 aircraft of the Russian Emergencies Ministry at that time was discharging water over a forest fire in the neighboring Slyudyansky district.

                  Any pair of hands or wings (aircraft) will reduce fire damage, save lives, homes, forest animals and birds.
                  1. QWERTY
                    QWERTY 15 August 2021 09: 17
                    0
                    Yes, 15 rubles will not earn themselves. And to understand, why? Whining is much easier. But if you dig deeper, then suddenly it turns out that the Be-200 in conditions of filling with water at the airfield is worse than the Il-76, since they take 12 tons of water, and the Il 42 tons. It is impractical for them to refuel there from reservoirs, because it is very far away. In addition, even the Il-76 only pours water over 4 hectares. And more than a million are burning. There are only 250000 Il-76 sorties.
                    1. Hypertension
                      Hypertension 15 August 2021 10: 23
                      +2
                      Quote: ytsuken
                      Yes, 15 rubles will not earn themselves.

                      Sick topic, huh? Usually these kremlebots are paid to protect any actions of the authorities. I will not point a finger ...
                      Quote: ytsuken
                      It is impractical for them to refuel there from reservoirs

                      Something from the couch may be uncomfortable for you.
                      The rivers of Yakutia are the system of rivers of the Republic of Sakha (Yakutia). The region has a huge number of rivers and streams (also lakes), it is one of the most "river" and "lake" in Russia.

                      For example: the village of Ergelekh, where one of the fires is located, is 50 km away. from the Lena river. Also see how many lakes there are nearby.
                      https://yandex.ru/maps/geo/selo_yergelekh/53066836/?l=sat%2Cskl&ll=129.483955%2C62.591715&utm_source=main_stripe_big&z=10
                      Quote: ytsuken
                      Only 250000 Il-76 sorties

                      Well, yes, after all, they extinguish only with Il-76 air sorties. Do not shoot down fire on the front. Don't dig trenches. Not satisfied with the return fell. And only planes fly and every piece of forest is watered. The rest of the firefighters smoke on the sidelines. Comprehensive work is underway there - everyone on the ground and in the air performs their tasks. And you also teach me ...
                      Quote: ytsuken
                      They don't understand anything, but there is a plug in every barrel.
        2. Revival
          Revival 13 August 2021 23: 40
          +8
          Ponty is our everything! Russia helps the world!
          Turkey drop, greece drop, myanmar drop .....
          Where are the millions of poor people in Russia from?
          And, they are not supposed to drip, of course.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 14 August 2021 00: 09
            -11
            What have the poor got to do with it? Ahh. Give them a couple of kopecks each instead of fuel for the boards? )))
            1. Revival
              Revival 14 August 2021 01: 17
              +8
              Yes, that's right, it's better than throwing them on show-offs in other countries.
              This is still putting off the question of why a penny.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 14 August 2021 01: 21
                -7
                These are childish calculations. Just divide the estimated amount by the number of poor people. As for the show-off, this is a state policy called. The union also pondered around the world by distributing money? Financing one country after another? Or did you have a profit from this?
                1. Revival
                  Revival 14 August 2021 05: 15
                  +8
                  At the same time, the USSR did not have to explain to its residents why they are beggars by millions, and some have yachts, factories, steamers.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 14 August 2021 05: 32
                    -11
                    And now someone explains this to you? For me personally, it is violet. I admit that there were and will be rich people. It's just that the criterion of wealth is different at all times. Once upon a time, 100 goats were wealth. In the Union, the wealthy, for example, was access to benefits that are inaccessible to the common man.
                    1. Revival
                      Revival 14 August 2021 14: 20
                      +2
                      "Does someone explain this to you now?"

                      Then it was not required, since this was not the case.
                      And now they just spit, where is there for explanations, and they simply cannot explain, that is the essence.

                      "I admit that there were and will be rich people."

                      It would be strange not to admit it.

                      Earned, you can report, be at least a trillionaire, otherwise no.
      3. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 14 August 2021 06: 49
        +3
        everything couldn't be easier .. these countries pay for the planes ..
        "Turkish officials at the beginning of summer held a tender, as a result of which they purchased the services of three BE-200s for the period from June 1 to October 31, 2021. Turkey gave 203 million lira or $ 24 million (1,75 billion rubles ). "
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 14 August 2021 10: 01
          +6
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          Turkey gave 203 million lira or $ 24 million (1,75 billion rubles) for the use of Russian aircraft to extinguish fires.

          Considering that "According to the Ministry of Emergency Situations, direct damage from fires in the Yakut forests amounted to more than 1 billion rubles." and then it will go into minus ...
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 14 August 2021 10: 15
            +3
            but I think it's not about efficiency, but about making a living profit .. you can't get it from your burning forests .. what's interesting is that the contract from us is concluded by a private company ..
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 14 August 2021 10: 21
              +2
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              it's not about efficiency, but about making a living profit.

              Well, yes ... The main thing is to snatch here and now. After us, even a flood ...
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              interestingly, the contract from us is concluded by a private company ..

              Rollbacks are sacred ...
  3. Darkness
    Darkness 13 August 2021 04: 45
    +5
    The forest is being cut down - the chips are flying!
  4. north 2
    north 2 13 August 2021 05: 03
    +5
    Considering the fact that we have not heard anything about large fires in large forest areas, say, anywhere in the Pskov region or in the Bryansk region, where forests also occupy a significant territory of regions and where there are a hundred times more slovens in nature in the forests because of the density population, but the taiga in Siberia and the Far East is constantly burning, then we can conclude that in the same in the Bryansk region or there in the Pskov region or in the Tambov region it is unprofitable and defective if their forests were burning, and in Siberia and the Far East to whom it is beneficial that the forests burn there
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 13 August 2021 05: 59
      +15
      It's a long way to drive from the Pskov and Tambov regions to China, that's where it doesn't burn. There was such a moment sometime in 2010, I worked in Buryatia. Shoigu offered to pay extra to local residents for extinguishing fires. It was then that it flared up. I don’t know how this decree has survived or has finally been canceled. I have nothing against Shoigu, but stupidity never pays off.
      1. spirit
        spirit 13 August 2021 11: 00
        +4
        A similar case was absurdly in India, only there the British offered the local snakes by the heads (which wildly bothered the colonial troops)
      2. your1970
        your1970 17 August 2021 08: 48
        0
        Quote: NDR-791
        It is far to drive from the Pskov and Tambov regions to China, that's where it doesn't burn

        Hack and predictor Aviator wrong -Europe, next to pleasure, buys forest in any volume and quality
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 August 2021 08: 01
      -6
      Damn it, in the Pskov region there is a completely different population density and the development of infrastructure and fires there are dangerous, so they are extinguished and prevented. And when something is burning in the taiga, where there is not even a forester for 100 km around, then there is simply no practical sense in driving fire brigades with airplanes for this. Taiga has always burned and will burn. This is a natural phenomenon that renews the forest.

      And just those places that are cut down, and not bear corners, will not burn, there are glades and roads, and most importantly, there is damage from the fire. And if there is no damage, then no one extinguishes, the more over-mature forest is more harmful than useful.
    3. Woodman
      Woodman 13 August 2021 08: 04
      +5
      Quote: north 2
      in the Pskov region or in the Bryansk region, where forests also occupy a significant area of ​​\ uXNUMXb \ uXNUMXbregions and where there are a hundred times more slobber resting in nature in the forests due to population density, but the taiga in Siberia and the Far East burns constantly, then we can conclude that in the same in the Bryansk region or there in the Pskov region or in the Tambov region

      higher population density and much more accessible forest areas in terms of fire extinguishing. Forests are burning and this summer is not the easiest for the Pskov region in terms of fires. Siberia cannot be compared. The scale is not the same, yes. In fairness, the question is: do you often hear anything on federal channels about the Pskov region or the Bryansk region?
      PS At the beginning of the 15s, the same Pskov region annually suffocated from burning peat bogs. But peat was not exported. Now for XNUMX years we have not heard of them.
    4. AK1972
      AK1972 13 August 2021 08: 18
      +13
      Quote: north 2
      Considering the fact that we have not heard anything about large fires in large forests, say, anywhere in the Pskov region or in the Bryansk region

      In the Bryansk region in the summer of 2010. forests and peat bogs were burning. The heat was terrible, it was smog day and night - there was nothing to breathe. Even now, local fires masking illegal logging occur, and there is also the harvesting of commercial timber under the guise of sanitary felling. I am an avid mushroom picker, and where I used to calmly drive a car now I go on foot, because forest roads are broken by timber trucks
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 August 2021 12: 47
      -10
      Yes, it’s not profitable for anyone there - to set it on fire in order to then choke with smog and burn, or run to put out fires and get lullies from the center - if an official. The more people the more quickly they will detect and extinguish the fire - alas, this is not about Siberia and the Far East.
    6. QWERTY
      QWERTY 14 August 2021 15: 10
      -1
      What about the Pskov and Bryansk regions? Yakutia is 3 million square kilometers in area and practically without population and infrastructure. Accordingly, the availability of fire sites is incomparable.
    7. ism_ek
      ism_ek 15 August 2021 11: 49
      +1
      In the Bryansk region, 26% of the territory is covered with forest ..... What are you talking about? Therefore, there are no forest fires there. And in Yakutia, where the federal highway looks like this ...
  5. Nitarius
    Nitarius 13 August 2021 05: 41
    -29
    where to the AUTHOR of this epos ... will put a BIG MINUS. for the article .. ON THE LOBB? or a kick in the ass? on all hung all the dogs!
    from the merciless destruction of Russian forests the author that from abroad writes this epic .. that the Russian forest called .. as if from the outside! SUBMITTED MATERIAL!
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 13 August 2021 06: 27
      +8
      Quote: Nitarius
      from the merciless destruction of Russian forests, the author that from abroad writes this epic .. that the Russian forest called ..

      recourseUnlike you, the author is cultured and seems to have read the epic "Russian Forest" by L. Leonov.
    2. AK1972
      AK1972 13 August 2021 08: 23
      +21
      Quote: Nitarius
      where to the AUTHOR of this epos ... will put a BIG MINUS. for the article .. ON THE LOBB? or a kick in the ass? on all hung all the dogs!
      from the merciless destruction of Russian forests, the author that from abroad writes this epic .. that the Russian forest called .. as if from the outside! SUBMITTED MATERIAL!

      Yes, he is an agent of the State Department, he rocks the boat - a kind of reptile and tears out the braces. To Siberia, put out the fires !!!
    3. soul
      soul 13 August 2021 11: 32
      +24
      Quote: Nitarius
      where to the AUTHOR of this epos ... will put a BIG MINUS. for the article .. ON THE LOBB? or a kick in the ass? on all hung all the dogs!
      from the merciless destruction of Russian forests, the author that from abroad writes this epic .. that the Russian forest called .. as if from the outside!

      You would re-read your comment - nothing is clear, a bunch of mistakes. Nobody accuses you of being a "sent Cossack"
    4. Andobor
      Andobor 14 August 2021 22: 17
      -5
      Quote: Nitarius
      SUBMITTED MATERIAL!

      The West allocates decent loot for anti-Russian propaganda, and we see this loot.
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 13 August 2021 05: 49
    +9
    Forest is a state affair. Peter I, in order to preserve forests and grow ship timber, issued a decree, where he promised various nishtyaks to those who would be engaged in forest cultivation, for 200 years, so no one took the initiative. And Russia will probably soon have mushrooms and wild berries import.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 August 2021 08: 04
      -16
      Considering that picking wild mushrooms and berries is economically senseless, and a bucket of strawberries for which you need to drive 4-5 people a day by car is obtained at a gold price, your whining looks at least ridiculous.

      And to grow a forest, so go to a modern businessman who is busy in real production and offer a business plan, what money to invest now, and a return in 50 years, you can guess where he will send you?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 August 2021 12: 51
        -12
        The new forest is already planted under the program in hundreds of thousands of hectares a year throughout Russia.
        1. minus
          minus 14 August 2021 08: 33
          +4
          Grown earlier .... In our area with the collapse of the forestry, everything became somehow sad. And people were cut and salaries are ridiculous.
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 16 August 2021 08: 23
          -1
          Planted, but who? Business? He will not do this, unlike the state.
      2. minus
        minus 14 August 2021 08: 47
        +1
        Well, there are few strawberries in our area. But three buckets of strawberries can easily be collected by one in a day. There are also enough mushrooms. Already those same butter of past years collected several buckets for a couple of hours next to work after a night shift (15 km from the city) And the fact that you say that collection is economically pointless is a lie. And the fires, including individual citizens, are to blame for the decrease in the number of forest wild plants. The video was thrown off by a work partner, last year he recorded it in the forest. He comes to the forest, picks mushrooms .... The car stops nearby, 4 people come out with small rakes and let's row and digest the moss in search of mushrooms, leaving huge dimes of disturbed forest cover! They promised them to shove a rake in a certain place and send the record to the authorities, after that they just stopped being insolent and quickly retreated. Yes, you are right - no one wants to invest. Fishing on the Yenisei with a rod is prohibited even during the spawning period. And dozens of fishing teams are quietly engaged in fishing at this time! And 99% of these organizations did not spend a dime on fish restoration !!!
  7. nikvic46
    nikvic46 13 August 2021 06: 16
    +7
    The state has long lost control over where it is necessary and even necessary to cut down the forest, as well as on what land needs to be plowed. Because of this, all the troubles.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 August 2021 08: 05
      -11
      As if you have at least something to do with the use of natural resources, but the state teaches, so everyone is smart.
  8. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 August 2021 06: 32
    +5
    The fight for Carbon Equivalents is about to begin. Here we have forests and "cut" under the Kotovsky ...
  9. EvilLion
    EvilLion 13 August 2021 07: 51
    -13
    This forest burns every year, as it did 100 and 1000 years ago. The property of the forest is to burn. And they extinguish forest fires only if they are dangerous. It's just that people like Samsonov think in matrices and what the media told them in the media.
  10. 2112vda
    2112vda 13 August 2021 07: 54
    +15
    In the damned 90s, the country committed an involutionary act, i.e. passed from socialism back to capitalism. Involution is a manifestation of degeneration, it manifests itself in all areas. The state dispersed the forestry enterprises and virtually eliminated the forest guard. Now the forests are being transferred for private use. Under the tsars and the Soviet regime, there was no such disorder that is observed now. Our demo-liberal government sheds crocodile tears over Nicholas II and his family, although it was representatives of this whole liberda who overthrew him. For this, the monarchy and the Soviet government were destroyed in order to obtain an unlimited right to plunder the country's resources, which we are now seeing. It is foolish to hope that the degenerates will be able to competently rule the country, they have one interest, their own insatiable belly. People, did you want democracy? You got it, now slurp the ladle. Just don't confuse democracy with democracy. Democracy, the power of the middle class-demos, namely, the wealthy part of this class. We have traders and representatives of loan capital in power. In general, what they fought for and ran into. Take offense now at yourself, you, like the sick, yelled at the ever-memorable 2s, Yeltsin, Yeltsin.
  11. Woodman
    Woodman 13 August 2021 08: 06
    -1
    Of the entire army of 83 thousand people of the State Forestry Protection Department, less than a thousand people remained in the Rosprirodnadzor!
    Am I misunderstanding something? There are more than 20000 foresters in Russia at the moment.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 August 2021 12: 54
      -6
      And the same system for monitoring forest fires throughout the country with control centers using satellites and UAVs.
    2. El Barto
      El Barto 13 August 2021 14: 35
      +4
      What do they do? Taps, issuing lumber tickets and observing nature?
      Previously, forest users paid money and forestry enterprises did a lot from fire prevention to reforestation. Now all this was given to forest users. What eventually happened to the mandatory events is no secret.
      So the same fires are put out by fellers with knapsack fire extinguishers, firefighters (who have a mosquito sneeze) and volunteers from the local population
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 13 August 2021 14: 46
        -7
        Quote: El Barto
        Taps, issuing lumber tickets and observing nature?

        You, it seems, have never met a single forester in your life, since you wrote this.
        Quote: El Barto
        Previously, forest users paid money and forestry enterprises did a lot from fire prevention to reforestation.

        Quote: El Barto
        fellers with knapsack fire extinguishers, firefighters (who have a mosquito sneeze) and local volunteers


        in the USSR in the summer of 1972 covered more than a dozen regions in the central part of the country on an area of ​​1,8 million hectares. The dry summer has contributed to the outbreak of more than 40 thousand forest fires. About 360 thousand people took part in extinguishing the fires ... More than 70 thousand people, including 24 thousand servicemen, took part in extinguishing the fires in the Moscow region. Workers, collective farmers, the police were involved in the fight against fires, earth-moving equipment, pumping units, and vehicles were pulled together. Air reconnaissance of all forests in the European part of the RSFSR was organized. The fire brigades of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs also took part in the extinguishing. Student construction brigades were involved in extinguishing.

        And a lot of these "forest users" were able to do in order to prevent? And, mind you, it was not the taiga that was burning, but the central, most densely populated part of the country. July to September.
        19 villages burned down in the Moscow region
        And the reason for this is the weather conditions.
        1. El Barto
          El Barto 13 August 2021 20: 50
          +5
          And, mind you, it was not the taiga that was burning, but the central, most densely populated part of the country.

          Well, everything is clear. Explaining for especially smart ones. "Taiga" is a type of forest. And yes. There is also taiga in the suburbs. And in the Leningrad region there is taiga.
          It is time.
          The second - once again for the most intelligent I will explain - before (before 2006) there were forestry areas, there were forestry enterprises, there were forest users.
          Now there are no leshozes according to the law. There is only forestry. Those who drive Bentleys in the suburbs simply because they were allowed to develop sand pits on forest lands. In Karelia and other Arkhangelsk, they drink votka and beat everything up (well, Ilim will always send them to get drunk). And what is going on beyond the Urals in general Ad and Israel because there (a) people do not live and (b) the forest cannot be transported from us there or from there to us because phytosanitary covids will affect our beautiful forests
          1. Woodman
            Woodman 15 August 2021 19: 56
            -2
            Quote: El Barto
            Well, everything is clear. Explaining for especially smart ones. "Taiga" is a type of forest. And yes. There is also taiga in the suburbs. And in the Leningrad region there is taiga.
            It is time.
            The second - once again for the most intelligent I will explain - before (before 2006) there were forestry areas, there were forestry enterprises, there were forest users.

            AND? Does this somehow cancel out the fact that large-scale forest fires were in the center of the country, when all systems and departments "worked like clockwork"? You did not notice the essence of my comment during your rantings. Or simply ignored.
  12. And Makarov
    And Makarov 13 August 2021 08: 12
    +26
    In the interests of a narrow group of beneficiaries who received all the benefits after the collapse of the USSR. 1% of the population of Russia is getting richer and richer every year. The merchant class, which thrives in the conditions of the economy of the "pipe", the export of national wealth from the state

    This should be pointed out to our president - does he really not see? Probably he doesn't know. Boyars are no longer afraid of anything
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 August 2021 12: 55
      -9
      "1% of the population of Russia is getting richer every year" - Amendment 11 - 13%.
      1. Alexey Koshkarov
        Alexey Koshkarov 14 August 2021 03: 24
        +4
        Soon 11-13 percent of the population will remain
  13. Maks1995
    Maks1995 13 August 2021 09: 43
    +6
    All true.
    It is a pity, the article has almost no statistics.

    And if anyone remembers the recent, the Kremlin officials said: let the enthusiasts look behind the forest, using Google maps and personal drones, all sorts of green ones - all the agents of the State Department, the forest will go out by itself and then grow again.

    So it's okay, choose the Party in a month, and everything will be "excellent" again.
  14. riwas
    riwas 13 August 2021 10: 15
    +11
    The forest guard was "optimized", that is, reduced and destroyed. In the interests of a narrow group of beneficiaries who received all the benefits after the collapse of the USSR

    This is how everything is now being optimized: medicine, education, space, and science. There is no owner who would care for the country.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 August 2021 12: 57
      -14
      I do not know what is being optimized there, but more and more funds are being allocated from the budget for all this - basically, local officials are muddying the optimization.
      1. Alf
        Alf 13 August 2021 21: 38
        +8
        Quote: Vadim237
        I do not know what is being optimized there, but more and more funds are being allocated from the budget for all this - basically, local officials are muddying the optimization.


        The main local official ...
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 16 August 2021 08: 24
          -1
          The main thing is not treatment, but beds. And not the harvest of wheat, but the release of tractors.
  15. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2021 12: 11
    +13
    However, a more reasonable explanation is the quality of management in the current Russian Federation and the complete collapse of the forest industry.

    Oddly enough, Samsonov is absolutely right.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 16 August 2021 08: 25
      -1
      Samsonov is wrong just because he is Samsonov, and he has a difficult form of conspiracy theories.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 August 2021 08: 30
        +2
        Quote: EvilLion
        Samsonov is wrong just because he is Samsonov

        Well, yes, but not this time. While working in Khanty-Mansiysk, I ran into local foresters just about fires. What they told me made my hair stand on end. In short, the "innovations" under Putin boiled down to the following:
        1) Foresters from field workers were made office workers. That is, they already for the most part did not go round / controlled their sites, but wrote reports
        2) The foresters' equipment was taken out of their subordination and transferred to outsourcing firms for service. Consequences - when the fires began to approach the city, they stumbled into the parks, and found that the outsourcers were gone, and the equipment was dismantled and inoperable. Actually, that's why they came to us, ask for help, and they met
  16. dgonni
    dgonni 13 August 2021 13: 07
    -4
    Samsonov read El Murid and almost completely copied and pasted his article, well, the truth is, mentioning the deep people
  17. El Barto
    El Barto 13 August 2021 14: 13
    -4
    Tfu. Another nonsense in the spirit of "The plaster cast is removed, the client is leaving"
    Well, you need to understand at least a little about the materiel before you panic.

    The total forest reserve in Russia is 102 billion cubic meters. AAC (permitted annual felling) is less than 1% of the total stock. The allowable cut is cut by no more than 30%.

    The area of ​​forests in Russia is 1 million hectares. The area of ​​fires (and, according to Greenpeace, they will not underestimate) - 180 million hectares - about 16%.

    Where is the "death of the Russian forest" is not clear.

    It is also important to understand that huge tracts of forests have not been developed by humans and are being renewed in a natural way - through fires. In the accessible part, mostly neglected overmature forests are also burning. Precisely because they were launched. And yes, due to the collapse of the forestry system. But the alarm should have been sounded 15 years ago, when the new forest code was adopted.
    Where everything was cut down (around the cities) there is nothing to burn
  18. Mishka78
    Mishka78 13 August 2021 16: 25
    +7
    At one time, I remember, in 2016, everyone laughed at the Ukrainians (Klitschko said chtol, I don't remember already ..), who extinguished fires by self-combustion. And here it is, the method works, they have adopted it!
  19. for
    for 13 August 2021 17: 16
    +3
    The question is the greed and greed of the Russian "elite".

    And the authorities seem to have nothing to do with it?
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 14 August 2021 15: 27
      0
      Quote: for
      The question is the greed and greed of the Russian "elite".

      And the authorities seem to have nothing to do with it?

      ===
      the elite is in power, and the elite is from the Russian people (not aliens). so with yourself, and in the field, for years, and to order.
  20. Sfurei
    Sfurei 13 August 2021 17: 18
    -5
    Stop throwing everything into a heap again: the forest is on fire (1% of Russians profit from everything) and poor management, the smoke covered Krasnoyarsk - the oligarchs are making money. Oil prices rise - it's bad - oligarchs profit, oil becomes cheaper again - it's good for the oligarchs .. The explosion at the Gazprom plant will be restored at our expense, but the price of gas in the world will go up - the oligarchs will profit again, but we shish ..
    The author framed himself from the first line when he wrote that the forests were burning, incl. in Greece, Turkey, Italy, the USA and Canada, and also in Bulgaria, they also hide theft with fires, also bad management or what ?? Belarus as an example, you yourself are not funny ?? There this Belarus is 600 km across, like the Smolensk and Moscow regions. And how many forests are there?
    Be adequate, in Europe, on small areas of the forest, with the exertion of all their forces, they cannot extinguish at a click. And this is at their distances from civilization and to prepared rescue centers and airfields. And in our country, a fire can start 100 -500 km from civilization and airfields, and you expect that someone will fly straight in in a blue helicopter and extinguish it at once?
    Are you aware that burning peat bogs, in principle, cannot be extinguished, can only be localized?
    Why don't you write how rescuers are tirelessly fighting fires, how many equipment and how they cope with these fires, how many have already been extinguished and how many have been localized, etc. Because it is not interesting for you, you need to show that they do nothing and all the bastards.
    Write objective articles, not solid profanity and pessimism.
    1. minus
      minus 14 August 2021 09: 17
      +4
      But what about the recent statement by Dmitry Peskov about a possible future tax on meat ???? Have seen a lot of greenhouse gas drilling produce !!!! How is it????
      How many fires do they throw out? Here in 2018 they wrote: **** "Scientific Russia" - an electronic periodical
      "Scientific Russia" - electronic periodical
      SCIENTISTS ESTIMATED THE CONTRIBUTION OF TAIL FIRE TO GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
      23.07.2018 23:53
      1932
      Add to bookmarks
      Scientists estimate the contribution of taiga fires to greenhouse gas emissions
      Scientists of the Federal Research Center Krasnoyarsk Scientific Center of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, together with colleagues from the Max Planck Institute of Chemistry (Germany), estimated the amount of greenhouse gas emissions into the atmosphere during forest fires in Siberia. According to researchers, during intensive forest burning, the concentration of carbon monoxide in comparison with the background content in the air increases by almost 30 times, methane - twice, carbon dioxide - by 8%. The research results are published in the journal "Meteorology and Hydrology".

      The taiga forests of Siberia are one of the largest biological systems on the planet. There is still no exact estimate of the contribution of the taiga to maintaining the balance of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. On the one hand, the forest absorbs carbon dioxide, which means it helps to reduce its content in the air. On the other hand, during forest fires or other large-scale damage to vegetation, greenhouse gas emissions occur that are difficult to estimate. ***
      That is, according to yours, it is not worth extinguishing, it is better to withdraw money from the people again ???? And peat fires were not only localized, but also extinguished! There is a paternal Certificate of Honor from 1972. * The Mari ASSR will never forget your feat in extinguishing fires ... *
      And you remove the cross ... And wash the Edrosovskaya mud in the bathhouse ... He says that there is nothing to breathe ...
      1. minus
        minus 14 August 2021 11: 09
        +3
        I have errors in the text.) For example, drilling instead of cows) but this phone is indulging. Already a couple of dozen times I turned off T9, but it turns on itself somehow (
        1. Sfurei
          Sfurei 15 August 2021 19: 23
          0
          And Peskov in a bunch, and greenhouse gases, and certificates of honor, and as I wrote above again write out of place "... is it better to withdraw money from the people again? ..." What are you talking about?
          Or did T9 prevent you not only from writing, but also from reading my commentary? Because found almost nothing on the topic of my comment .. request
          1. minus
            minus 16 August 2021 10: 22
            +1
            *** And in our country a fire can start 100 -500 km from civilization and airfields, and you expect that someone will fly straight in in a blue helicopter and extinguish it at once? **** Are these your words? That is, we should not wait? Burn it all? And I wrote just on the topic. And about greenhouse gas emissions during fires as well. Or are you akin to the adviser Uss, who insulted people who made a critical remark to Yagudin, who wrote on Instagram that there is no smoke in Krasnoyarsk? How did people get into this, this aching bunch of shit? And how do they live constantly with this feeling of eternal oppression? Such a person wakes up in the morning and thinks - damn it, I haven't choked yet! We must take a little breath! Separate compliments to the fighters of the invisible front, who brought up a whole generation of hysterics "in the black sky mode." These are not residents of Siberia, they are not Russians at all, they are some kind of whiny rabble. ****
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 16 August 2021 08: 27
      0
      You don’t understand when forests burn in Turkey, and in Australia cute koalas burned right in the trees last year - that’s another thing.
  21. KJIETyc
    KJIETyc 13 August 2021 20: 03
    -2
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Civil
    But the fact that? The proposal is the same - to go out and stand on your knees in your yard. The fine will come by mail. I do not advise you to repeat it a second time - you will go for extremism.

    The best solution in this situation is a total strike .. not to pay for housing and communal services, not to pay loans .. but then, of course, only all at once .. that's when they start to burn ..
    I read the same nonsense that year the ambassadors of the elections of our Grigorich, who is Lukashenko, in the opposition garbage dumps under the name NEXTA. You are all the same, just sadness, even the words are one to one.
    И
    1. Andobor
      Andobor 14 August 2021 22: 35
      0
      Quote: KJIETyc
      I read the same nonsense that year the ambassadors of the elections of our Grigorich, who is Lukashenko, in the opposition garbage dumps under the name NEXTA. You are all the same, just sadness, even the words are one to one.

      Some bot farms work, do not even strain, and are financed from one pocket - the horse races were arranged in the tape.
  22. Alexey Koshkarov
    Alexey Koshkarov 14 August 2021 03: 19
    0
    I look out the window. On the Transsib they carry the whole timber, around the clock
    1. minus
      minus 14 August 2021 09: 05
      +1
      In our city, there is the village of Zelyony Bor. Not in the city itself, where the Minusinsk railway station is. All sawmills have been taken over by certain ethnic groups. In the evening, if you shoot a video there, then no one will probably say that this video is from Russia ... And in Minusinsk itself, a huge number of hijabs have probably started to appear since last year ... And the forest is all straight to China ...
      1. your1970
        your1970 16 August 2021 12: 37
        -1
        Quote: Minus
        And the forest is all straight to China ...

        Quote: Alexey Koshkarov
        I look out the window. On the Transsib they carry the whole timber, around the clock

        AND? The state duty for the export of timber is paid. There are no obvious leftists. There are no large overbalances in weight and volume, as in the 90s-2000s. ...
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  23. family tree
    family tree 14 August 2021 11: 52
    -1
    Still drew. Sakha is burning, so the forest-tundra has been burning there every year, since the creation of the world.
    Landing firefighter, how to evacuate? There are no roads, and the eights to drive. Yes, like in Arkhangelsk, they cut down two hundred meters near the house, and there it burns, a new one will grow
  24. Victorio
    Victorio 14 August 2021 15: 22
    -2
    The question is the greed and greed of the Russian "elite". They “earn” on new planes, villas and yachts, fill caches with millions and billions of rubles, euros and dollars, gold and jewelry. Deep Russia sinks or burns out. And quietly dies out, while the elite arrange a feast during the plague.
    ===
    it must be assumed that before the current fires (as well as last year, and even a year earlier, and more ...) there was no death and theft of the forest
  25. Escobar
    Escobar 14 August 2021 16: 10
    +1
    Or to write off illegal logging for fires - there was a fire, and what was there and how much eventually burned out, and no one will find out how much was written off as a fire
  26. Doliva63
    Doliva63 14 August 2021 17: 33
    +3
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: SERGE ant
    Have been re-optimized.

    It is interesting that we send planes to Turkey to extinguish fires .. and our forest .. to hell with it .. let it burn .. We forgive all debts .. because they will cut off their citizens more .. Attitude towards people, nature, ecology .. history. .. just terrifying .. As if the Nazis took over the country.

    Want an anecdote? In the Sverdlovsk region there are also fires - well, not like in Yakutia, more modest, of course. But when the crew of the Il-76 was preparing to extinguish fires in Turkey, the plane was actively watered the ground in the place of a fictitious fire, and not a real one - well, not insanity? The Turkish forest is dearer to them, apparently.
  27. Andobor
    Andobor 14 August 2021 22: 29
    -3
    Quote: Sfurei
    Write objective articles, not solid profanity and pessimism.

    Whoever needs a lens, they write for money and bot farms work - hitting Russia is well paid.
  28. your1970
    your1970 16 August 2021 12: 32
    +1
    I recently had a dispute here with one comrade - who shouted that all supervision should be canceled, because it hurts small business and does not allow the country to develop ...
    The people actively sculpted the plus signs for him - "Distant bureaucrats prrrrroklyatyh snickering !!!! They only grab bribes !!!"
    2 days have passed ... And what do I see ?? !!
    The author cries about the fate of the "damned bureaucrats":
    "Out of a whole army of 83 thousand people of the State Forestry Protection Department, less than a thousand people remained in the Rosprirodnadzor!"
    And commentators give him a plus and write
    Quote: SERGE ant
    foresters "optimized" (in other words, practically destroyed as a class) mln.
    ...
    People, ay! Wake up! You are either for civil servants or against !!
    Or you - when the forester drags the peasant by the withers for illegal cutting by the withers into the jail - you will shout again: "The damned bureaucrat wants bribes !!!" ???

    Double standarts.....

    On the one hand, cut government agencies - and on the other, you whine about why the state does not protect you with anyone ...
    But there was no one to find out and optimized ...
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 August 2021 13: 21
      +2
      Quote: your1970
      People, ay! Wake up! You are either for civil servants or against !!

      In my opinion, this is obvious. We are for civil servants who are engaged in useful and necessary things
      1. your1970
        your1970 17 August 2021 07: 53
        0
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Quote: your1970
        People, ay! Wake up! You are either for civil servants or against !!

        In my opinion, this is obvious. We are for civil servants who are engaged in useful and necessary things

        That is you FOR supervision and VS peasant unlawfully chopping wood ?!
        Just in case, I clarify this - and then the concept of useful and necessary is different for everyone .. ... ... ...
        Someone needs to check in through the state services and go a couple of thousand hectares of forest to cut down, and someone so that no one even went into the forest at all, let alone saw ...
        Is checking the quality of sour cream by Rospotrebnadzor a boon or harm?
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 August 2021 09: 26
          +2
          Quote: your1970
          That is, you are FOR supervision and AGAINST the peasant illegally chopping wood? !!

          Yes
          Quote: your1970
          Is checking the quality of sour cream by Rospotrebnadzor a boon or harm?

          This is a blessing. In theory. In practice, things are a little more complicated.
          In fact, it turns out that today food production in accordance with GOST is unprofitable. As a result, the manufacturer is forced to "trick" using different methods. For example, specifically for the sour cream you mentioned, vegetable fat is often used instead of milk. In meat, it is even worse by an order of magnitude.
          Rospotrebnadzor is in a difficult situation here. If they carry out their functions as expected, it is necessary to completely close the producers. Accordingly, they have to either imitate the activity, or close their eyes to many violations. As a result, his work is emasculated (for example, inspections are not carried out as it should be), but the state structure cannot do anything about it. And on this basis, of course, a topic for abuse arises ...
          That is, we have such structures, the presence of which is correct, the functionality of which is in demand, but which simply cannot fulfill it in full.
          On the other hand, without him it would be even worse, that is, consumerism still cuts off very strong violations
          1. your1970
            your1970 17 August 2021 09: 40
            +1
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            On the other hand, without him it would be even worse, that is, consumerism still cuts off very strong violations

            You destroy the picture of the world for a person feel
            Quote: vladimir1155
            do you want to laugh? these inspections cost all of us billions of rubles down the drain, rising prices, nerves, ... and you are wondering about sour cream, well, where to go with it? how long have I lived never in my life bought bad sour cream in a store
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 August 2021 10: 46
              0
              Quote: your1970
              You destroy the picture of the world for a person

              I just remember what happened when the Troitsk SES checked the quality of meat in the local market. There, almost all the meat was illegal, cheap Kazakh, because the border was close by, and in Kazakhstan, in full accordance with the behests of some comrades of the SES, at that time either completely abolished, or completely limited their work.
              As a result, up to 70% of the tested meat is tuberculosis.
  29. wandlitz
    wandlitz 16 August 2021 18: 20
    0
    In Soviet times, arable land was not overgrown, but was regularly cultivated. On mows and meadows, the grass was mown and eaten by grazing cattle. Therefore, there was simply no dry grass near the forest. And outright theft of the forest was not observed ...
    1. your1970
      your1970 17 August 2021 08: 20
      0
      Quote: wandlitz
      Therefore, there was simply no dry grass near the forest.

      Quote: wandlitz
      During the Soviet era

      - yeah ... Therefore, in 1972, 120 military personnel and a devilish cloud of engineering equipment were thrown into extinguishing forest fires in the Moscow region.
  30. TANKISTONE
    TANKISTONE 16 August 2021 20: 39
    0
    [media = https: //tass.ru/proisshestviya/12131405? utm_source = warfiles.ru]
    Condolences to the family and friends of the deceased pilots ...
    Why go to help the enemy? From the official explanations: 1. "In order to visualize the capabilities of the Be-200 for promotion to the international market." 2. "To save our tourists in Turkey". Questions: 1. To quickly cope with fires at home - will not be a visual representation of the potential of the Be-200 for POSSIBLE (?) Foreign buyers? 2. The lives of Russians who do not have the means to travel EVEN to Russian resorts and who give their lives in the fight against fires at home are less valuable ??? And what about the lives of sea pilots? How does the commander-in-chief compensate his family and friends? Vouchers to Turkey ???
    PS: The aforementioned documentary film is an order of magnitude better than Pimenov's "feature" film "Crimea" !!!
  31. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 17 August 2021 07: 56
    0
    What I would not worry about at all is the forest.
    Yes, in the Caucasus they cut down beech and oak on the sly, than
    caused irreparable damage to the environment.

    And Siberia .. A renewable resource, in a hundred years
    there will be a forest wall again.

    And there is no need to interfere.

    It is better to think about how to master the resource that
    99.99% is not used from the word "at all".

    And by the way, from a ton of timber you can get 650-800 liters
    alcohol, no oil industry is needed.
    IMHO.
    1. El Barto
      El Barto 22 August 2021 13: 03
      0
      Alcohol is not so simple. A lot of useless waste is obtained. Legnins, of course, are generally harmless, but useless and take up space. And what to do with them is not clear.
      I remember somewhere in the northwest the local authorities tried to confuse the population so that they dismantled the mountains of this nonsense and buried them in the ground - they even summed up the "scientific" base that it was supposedly fertilizer. But the population did not like it.
      It is much more cost-effective to immediately drive ethanol from grain crops (by the way, this is quite common among non-brothers due to the high cost of petroleum products - ethanol interferes with vegetable oils, biodiesel is ready). But here is the conflict between food / feed production and fuel
      1. Dkuznecov
        Dkuznecov 23 August 2021 16: 12
        0
        Yes, I agree, we need an integrated approach. Judging by the properties of lignin, its
        can be used as a filler in the production of lungs
        concrete, and, I think, asphalt concrete too.
        Any production should be waste-free.
    2. Alexander Shaidurov
      Alexander Shaidurov 2 September 2021 22: 14
      0
      Well, from dead wood, dead wood and windbreak, it is problematic to get alcohol, namely, they are the main fuel in forest fires. Raw wood itself, does not burn well ..

      But, as an additive to liquid waste, for pyrolysis, it is ideal. For a ton of wood and other carbon-containing waste, the yield of synthesis oil is about one third, i.e. 0,3 tons, the same amount of synthesis gas.

      Synthetic hydrocarbons are 30% more expensive than fossil fuels, because they do not have sulfur, therefore, they are ideal for petrochemicals. And the prime cost is 30 ... 50 times less than that of fossils.

      The raw, living wood, can only be used for the production of materials using insulated technology, which belong to the class of glued, but much more cost-effective, because the technology of saw-free division with 100% use of trunk wood. They tried to create a similar technology in the West for 80 years, but in vain

      So, Russia will, for a whole century, run the market with an annual volume of 10 trillion rubles!
  32. Seal
    Seal 17 August 2021 09: 08
    0
    While agreeing with you in general, there are a couple of places that raise questions.
    1.
    Quote: SERGE ant
    The main cause of forest fires in Yakutia is a high accumulation of combustible material (have you seen how many needles attack from the same larch tree?),
    Are you saying that under Soviet rule, janitors, sorry, foresters, swept and removed the fallen needles under all the Yakut larch trees?
    2.
    Under the Soviet Union, the same fire-fighting mineralized strips were regularly updated, now there is no diesel fuel for this business, almost everything is overgrown
    In fact, the USSR at the state level took up the protection of forests only before the war, when on August 26, 1939, the Statute on the State Forest Protection of the USSR was approved. Although there, too, the responsibility was somewhat vague, since it was envisaged that
    3. The protection of forests is carried out by the state forest protection people's commissariats and departments, which are in charge of the forest fund of state and local importance.
    .
    About the means of transportation of employees:
    32. A horse is provided for road rangers and foresters of large or scattered detours.
    That is, not all foresters even relied on a horse.
    However, I certainly agree that completely abolish the State Forestry Protection (abolished due to the fact that its employees were civil servants, and then it was impatient to create the Investigative Committee of Russia, and without increasing the total number of civil servants. So LesOkhrana went under the knife to create an SC. There was no one to take care of the forest and extinguish it, but a lot of employees appeared who were endowed with the right to initiate criminal cases for forest fires) it was criminal.
    Let me not believe that under the USSR in the Yakut ASSR, fire strips cut through the entire mass of the Yakut taiga. Maximum 50-100 kilometers from cities and large villages. There have always been problems with diesel fuel, and helicopters began to appear more or less massively already in the 1970s.
    In central Russia, it may be different
    In central Russia, of course, it is different. In central Russia and Europe, the climate is Atlantic. That is, wet. There are, of course, periods when anticyclones hang over Europe and over us and it does not rain for a long time. But from the point of view of sharply continental Yakutia, we can probably say that it rains with enviable regularity in Europe and the central part of Russia.
    1. your1970
      your1970 17 August 2021 09: 45
      0
      Quote: Seal
      But from the point of view of sharply continental Yakutia, we can probably say that it rains with enviable regularity in Europe and the central part of Russia.

      Daily dew is enough ...
      We don't have it, it rains once every 1 months, and the steppe burns immediately from the slightest fire
  33. Doliva63
    Doliva63 17 August 2021 19: 56
    0
    Quote: Intruder
    The Turkish forest is dearer to them, apparently.
    Rent of three Be-200s (now there are 2 sides), 21 million bucks, and how much is a forest in Sverdlovskaya !? By the way, the beautiful and calm city of Sverdlovsk, in childhood there was a transit, when they flew through it to Ukraine, under the USSR still ... oh, there were times !!! hi

    I hope we will fly to Ukraine again from Koltsovo! After all, the homeland of the ancestors drinks
  34. Alexander Shaidurov
    Alexander Shaidurov 2 September 2021 21: 26
    0
    Where are the firefighters and fire fighting equipment?
    Read here: https://proza.ru/2021/09/02/138