Year 2050: will only "old men" go into battle?

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Oddly enough, the United States is also thinking about what will happen in 20-30 years in terms of weapons. And not only because many projects, for which billions fly away, end in nothing. Simply because, indeed, technology is not eternal, and sooner or later it will have to be changed either to a more modern one, or to one that is no worse.

The American magazine "Air Force Magazine" published an article by John Tirpak about the development prospects of the US Air Force.



Indeed, today the US Air Force faces very difficult tasks. The aircraft fleet must be renewed, and moreover, the task has been set to minimize the diversity of aircraft in service as much as possible. This is a really tricky thing. Only five models of fighter-bombers.

Yes, the production of the F-22 has been discontinued, but the already built aircraft will be in service until the end of their service life. The A-10, which fought back in the 70s of the last century, will not go anywhere either, it simply has no replacement yet, like the Russian Su-25. The F-35 is generally the winged question of the century, with this aircraft there really are more questions than answers.

And what is left to close your eyes and answer the question “What to fly tomorrow”?

Yes, the same F-15 and F-16. Well, F / A-18 on navy.


Interestingly, in the most advanced country in terms of armament costs, everything is about the same as in Russia. That is, the fleet of military equipment is very much reminiscent of the blessed 80s of the last century, when in many countries there was a fantastic breakthrough in weapons.

Indeed, both the American F-15 and F-16, and the Russian Su-30 and Su-35 - they all come from there.

It is clear that the United States will do everything to bring the F-35 to mind. Or, in the long term, supplement it with one more new aircraft, which will be expected to be developed.

In addition, these developments are spurred on by the fashion for unmanned fighters, which are increasingly occupying the minds of designers and the military.

Today, the US Air Force is really in a state of transition. They pass from the 80s to the 40s of the next century, from the 20th to the 21st century. It's difficult, but real.

For this "only" it is only necessary to write off some of the old aircraft and replace them with new ones. Well, and find funds for this, of course. And the funds should be spent both on development and on the construction of new aircraft, which, not on paper, but in fact, will be able to be on an equal footing with the machines of Russia and China, which are increasingly aggressively conquering both the sky and the international market. And something must be done with this intrusion too.

In a June 2021 speech to the U.S. House of Representatives Armed Services Committee, U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff, General Charles K. Brown, Jr. stated that failure to act now is a clear possibility that China could defeat the U.S. in a likely air war. the future.

In general, many military personnel in the United States today are very closely watching the development of aviation in other countries, and for the development of air defense systems. This is especially true of China, whose army is now in a state of long-term and rather rapid development.

US Air Force Deputy Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Hinote believes that the Chinese J-20 fighter with an advanced new generation air-to-air missile could become a real threat to the superiority of American aircraft.

If we consider that the J-20 in the PRC is also testing the J-31, from which the Chinese expect about the same results as in the USA from the F-35 after the F-22, then there is reason for some concern.


And as you know, if the United States sees something as a cause for concern, then the Americans will twist themselves out of themselves in order to eliminate this anxiety.

Therefore, in the United States, the CAPE (Cost Assessment and Program Evaluation) program was launched, which is being implemented by the US Department of Defense and the General Staff. The program will study the real state of tactical aviation and adjust the plan for the development of fighter and assault aviation in terms of time and money.

It is clear that the "research" of tactical aviation in the United States will not give a final answer on what the composition of aviation should be by the turn of 2040, the situation in the world is changing, but nevertheless, plans must be developed and adjusted. But the development of the entire structure of the US Air Force will depend on what conclusions will be made in the framework of the research of this program.

There are assumptions on the basis of which it can be concluded that fighter aircraft will be reduced from seven types of aircraft to "4 + 1", where "4" is the F-35, on which the United States has high hopes today, the new F-15EX , F-16 or a promising aircraft replacing it and again a promising NGAD. "+1" is the good old A-10, which has no replacement yet, even in principle.

Year 2050: will only "old men" go into battle?

This alignment was voiced by one of the generals of the Air Force headquarters, Brown. That is, a knowledgeable person. What's interesting on the list?

The main "surprise" is the absence of the F-22 and F-15C / D and E in the list. Everything is clear with the former. "Raptors" were released not so much that one could seriously count on them or spend resources on modernization. So the Raptors will not be involved in the future of US aviation. Too little and too expensive are the two main reasons.

The F-22 will be phased out from the US Air Force, given that it will be 2030 years old by 25, it's time to say goodbye to it. By that time, it will become more or less clear with the F-35, and the NGAD project can move to the stage of active testing.


As Hinote said, "The F-22 is a good performance aircraft, but it has its limitations."

Therefore, the Air Force headquarters are well aware that they simply cannot afford to rely on the Raptor in the future. With the help of this aircraft, it is impossible to confidently gain air superiority, even if you take the F-22 through a series of upgrades. Hinote emphasized this, saying that air supremacy is not a topic that they are willing to take risks with using the F-22.

Well, one of the last nails in the coffin lid was hammered by the deputy chief of staff of the US Air Force for plans and programs, Lieutenant General David Nahom. The general believes that the US Air Force simply cannot, purely financially, in the long term, afford to maintain seven types of aging fighters.

Seven types are too many and, again, too expensive. Nakhom voiced an unpleasant figure: 44% of the US Air Force planes are approaching the threshold of their service life.

The same F-15C has already reached the planned limit of service life and there is no point in extending its resource, because it is unsafe, firstly, and economically unprofitable, secondly. Yes, the US Air Force today has the latest modification of the F-15EX, which should replace the frankly outdated F-15C, which already have speed and load limits, and if successful, the F-15EX will also replace the F-15E.


Today, the average age of US Air Force fighters is 28 years old. This is an alarming figure that signals in red the necessary renewal of the fighter aircraft fleet. The F-15EX is the fastest way to reduce this figure.

An interesting moment, during which a parallel with Russian reality runs like a red thread.

According to Pentagon sources, the new F-15EX costs about the same as the new F-35. However, as such, the F-15 has long been known and tested, plus the cost of operating it is much lower than that of the F-35.

This is reminiscent of Russian realities, when the Russian Aerospace Forces abandoned the Su-57 in favor of the time-tested and operational Su-35. And this is completely normal.

And here the US Air Force command followed the same path. Re-equipping squadrons from the F-15C to the F-15EX will take much less time and effort than similar actions with the F-35. Rearmament on the F-35 is much more difficult, requiring the construction of new military facilities, equipment, and specialists. Moreover, trained and trained specialists. Plus, separate retraining of pilots for another aircraft, it also costs money.

Money must be spent wisely, that's a fact. Even the presence of such a huge financial resource as the defense budget in the United States does not mean that this resource is endless.

Accordingly, when today we are constantly talking about cuts in the defense budget, it makes sense to change outdated aircraft for the new F-15EX, which can be in sufficient quantities today. Yes, the plane is still only a fourth generation fighter, but it will definitely not be opposed to the J-31 and Su-57 armadas. So in this regard, everything looks more or less logical.

By 2026, the US Air Force plans to write off and decommission a huge number - 421 aircraft. And only 304 planes will have time to replace them. That is, the net reduction will be 117 aircraft, and this turns out to be the largest reduction in the US Air Force in the last two decades.

This is a very serious matter.

All 2026 F-234C fighters are to be decommissioned by the end of 15. Only 84 F-15EX fighters will be replaced. The Boeing manufacturer is not able to release any more within the allotted time. Another 60 fighters will become the second series, and in total the contract with Boeing provides for the production of up to 200 aircraft.

Yes, the F-15EX looks much more confident against the background of the "oldies" F-15C and E. "Air truck with weapons"Will have a longer range due to the presence of a new system of fuel tanks, two additional suspension assemblies for weapons, the ability to carry large-sized weapons of the" air-to-ground "class.

So the alignment is quite: the F-15EX as the main fighter-bomber and the F-35 as an aircraft for special operations.


F-22 and F-16 will be disabled. Yes, the same Raptor will serve for some time, but definitely not until 2040, since even constantly modernizing this aircraft it is unrealistic to drag it for another 20 years. In addition, the Americans themselves say that this aircraft simply will not be able to become competitive, despite all the upgrades.

And the "Battle Falcon" F-16 will also be "dragged" until they make new F-15EX. The earliest, first "blocks" of the F-16 will be decommissioned, these are 124 aircraft, and the remaining 812 after 2026 will be used until the resource is exhausted, upgrading as far as funds allow.

Many more aircraft may be decommissioned. According to the calculations of the Air Force headquarters, about 15 aircraft will be enough to ensure the country's security in the next 600 years to participate in all possible conflicts. The only question is which theaters of military operations and which opponents will have to fight.

Of course, in order to fight terrorists and provide air defense for the United States itself, the modernized F-16 is quite enough. If the hostilities are conducted against countries with developed and decent air forces, then the effectiveness of the F-16 is openly questioned. Moreover, by the Americans themselves.

Yes, the same F-35 could play the role of a "universal soldier" if its operation were not so ruinous. In general, with the cost of using the F-35, something needs to be decided, or, as an option, all efforts must be devoted to testing an alternative, a promising multi-role fighter Multi-Role Fighter-Experimental (MR-X).

The developments are not yet carried out at the fastest pace, but there is information that in 6-8 years the time will come to make a decision on this project.

Yes, over the next years, from 2025 to 2030, the US Air Force plans to purchase 220 F-35A. This is, of course, a significant figure, but it will not be able to compensate for all the old aircraft that will be decommissioned. So the F-15EX is really the only reasonable option for the US Air Force.

Speaking of the A-10, it should be said that the resource of the attack aircraft at the disposal of the Air Force is also not eternal. And the "Warthogs" will also be reduced to seven squadrons, 218 units. There are plans to modernize the existing A-10 by replacing the wings and engines and thus extend it until 2035.

If you look closely at the A-10, it is an attack aircraft. An aircraft of the front line of battle, striking at the enemy, at its forward positions. How this aircraft can become useful in the US air defense system is a question.


The A-10 cannot fight other aircraft, it cannot carry out air defense of the continental United States, and it cannot resolve issues of countermeasures against SEAD. Moreover, the low survivability of the A-10 and a rather narrow range of applications put an end to the future of not only this attack aircraft, but also projects that could come to replace the A-10.

There is heated debate at the Pentagon, Hinote said, as other branches of the armed forces insist on developing their own long-range strike systems, and in the future, close air support will be "very different" from today.

Accordingly, the set of aircraft that will protect the interests of the United States will also differ.

There is the Next-Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) system, which is the main focus of the US Air Force headquarters. More than $ 1,5 billion has already been spent on the development of the program, and within the framework of this program, projects for the aircraft of tomorrow are being developed. And they are being successful.

The first NGAD prototype has already taken off in 2020. The information is deeply secret, but there is information that altitude records were set as a result of the flights.


General Brown said the NGAD will be a "multipurpose" aircraft capable of engaging ground and air targets. " Brown said that the aircraft will receive all types of weapons that will help it solve all the tasks of hitting targets and guarantee the survival of the aircraft. Plus NGAD "will have stealth across the entire spectrum."

NGAD is described as a "family of systems" that is likely to include unmanned escort aircraft for missions such as air defense suppression (SEAD), electronic warfare and carrying additional weapons.

The NGAD concept provides for a fairly small number of aircraft of a similar type, from 50 to 100 units. The aircraft will have to keep pace with the changing situation in the world and remain relevant. It is believed that it will be easier to design and manufacture a new generation aircraft in 6-12 years than to modernize old aircraft over a long period of time.

It is believed that this approach will be more rational and economical. It all comes down to technology and the system's responsiveness. The Air Force leadership would welcome the option of "bifurcating" the NGAD project into two sides: one for operations in the Pacific, with an increased range, and the other, for shorter distances in Europe and the Middle East.

However, Hinote honestly expressed doubts that 10 years would be enough to bring the first NGAD into operation. Despite the impression on the pilots, members of Congress who were admitted to the tests, and Hinote himself produced a flying prototype of the aircraft.

In addition, the leadership of the Air Force has not yet decided on the topic of what role they will play with the aircraft. Drones or remote controlled percussion systems. And what will they be. While work is underway to study low-cost autonomous strike systems Low-Cost Autonomous Attritable Systems (LCAAS).

LCAAS are primarily drones, cheap enough to be painlessly lost in any military campaign. Today, the US Air Force believes that, after 2030, the right mix and proper use of conventional and unmanned aircraft will be the key to success.

And for a snack the budget.

Interesting, but the budget is not so simple. In 2022, it is planned to withdraw from the Air Force 42 A-10 units, 48 ​​F-15C / D units and 47 F-16C / D units.

And with such a number of decommissioned aircraft, only 48 F-35A units and 12 F-15EX units will be purchased. In addition, the US Air Force has requested 12 more F-15EX aircraft on its list of unfunded priorities presented to the US Congress in June 2021. And not a single additional F-35.

It is possible that the US Air Force is counting on the fact that Congress can add a certain number of aircraft to the program on its own initiative. But the main sources of information say that no more than 43 F-35 units will be ordered per year until the F-35 Block 4 version goes into production.


At the same time, it is believed that the F-35 is already outdated, since development on it began in the 80s of the last century.

The main task to be solved tomorrow by the US Air Force is the invention and purchase of aircraft that can effectively, without the infusion of additional funds, serve for 10-20 years. No longer. And without expensive upgrades.

And an important point: pilots will use such aircraft without retraining. Flying throughout his career without wasting time retraining.

Hinote believes that if the US Air Force can solve such a complex of tasks, then the Americans will ensure air superiority in any region of the world.
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  1. +3
    16 August 2021 05: 48
    effectively, without infusion of additional funds, serve 10-20 years. No longer. And without expensive upgrades.

    Nuuuuu ...
    About 20 years, they turned it down.
    In the era of something "accelerating scientific and technological progress."
    1. -2
      16 August 2021 06: 33
      ... "Raptors" were released not so much that they could seriously count or spend resources on upgrades. So the Raptors will not be involved in the future of US aviation. Too little

      Will we ever release the same number of Su-57s? If so, by what year?

      Here are interesting estimates like theirs, and how ours.
      They have too little and it is impossible seriously count
      This is a couple of hundred Raptors (or so), and the Ministry of Defense ordered a large batch of Su-57s from us, as many as 76 units.

      the contract for the supply of the Ministry of Defense of 76 Su-57 fighters may become record in the history of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC)


      Production contract large parties signed by personal order of Vladimir Putin


      But we may not receive 76 fifth-generation aircraft under the contract by 2028, looking at their production rates. Although initially it was realistic. It was planned to produce at a rate of 8-9 aircraft per year from 2019.
      1. +5
        16 August 2021 09: 58
        Because the budget of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is ten times less than the American budget. And our population is more than two times less. And by the way, if you look at the orders of the Russian Aerospace Forces, then, as a rule, a batch of 70-80 vehicles is the standard. So 76 cars is a normal order. Then either the order will be repeated, or there will be the next modification.
        1. -2
          16 August 2021 10: 08
          Quote: demiurg
          Because

          I didn't ask why. I asked another question.
          1. +1
            17 August 2021 09: 14
            We do not need to match the number of aircraft in the States.
            We are not going to wage wars around the world and "pull the Air Force on the globe."
            We are not going to butt for Taivat with China.
            We have other priorities and there is no need to waste funds either.
            The maturity of stealth technology is not overly impressive yet.
            And the idea of ​​the States to build relatively small series, test them in action and be ready to replace them with new aircraft without intermediate modernization, is directly related to the uncertainty in the technological bets made and the search for opportunities to quickly correct mistakes while minimizing costs.
            All of the above does not apply to the F-35. Have built a lot, Will still build. And there is no particular joy. And ownership is expensive. hi
            Shl. For all the advantages of the Su-57, its shortcomings are also visible.
            And Product 30 is needed, and electric drives instead of hydraulics, and a two-seater modification and pilots to fly on everything ...
            It makes no sense to discuss complex tasks in parts. hi
      2. +2
        16 August 2021 13: 08
        The rate of 16 cars after 2025. All the graphs are there, it is easy for spies to work now.
      3. +2
        16 August 2021 15: 22
        That's 12 - 16 per year and will be released but after the new engine is tested and put into production.
      4. 0
        17 August 2021 18: 05
        Quote: Stas157
        It was planned to produce at a rate of 8-9 aircraft per year from 2019.

        Nonsense, there were no such plans.

        Quote: Stas157
        and from us the Ministry of Defense ordered a large batch of Su-57, as many as 76 units.

        And what has happened more in modern history?
      5. DMi
        0
        17 October 2021 12: 39
        Probably the difference is that the United States is planning to control the whole world, and the Russian Federation is only planning to defend its territory. When defending forces and means, they need several times less than the attackers. Moreover, with the support of ground-based air defense, which in principle does not exist in the US army. So even 76 fifth-generation cars are quite strong enough.
  2. +1
    16 August 2021 06: 11
    Norm article, plus. And the rich are known to cry.
    1. +1
      16 August 2021 13: 35
      Quite right! "Some have empty cabbage soup, while others have small pearls."
  3. +1
    16 August 2021 06: 11
    With their engineering school and financial capabilities, whatever they may come up with and build in the quantities they need. And the order for 200 F 15 EX machines also speaks volumes. In this light, we would not lose our opportunities, which are already great. The "powerful" order for as many as 75 Su 57s confirms this. I hope that we also think on what our pilots will fly by the fortieth year.
    1. +8
      16 August 2021 13: 11
      76 pieces of the batch is a very powerful order, the same Su-35s were ordered in smaller volumes. Don't write nonsense. There are not many countries in the world that have at least 200 fighters, and 76 Su-57s are a VERY big force. In fact, this is half of the fighter aircraft of the strongest European countries.
      1. +1
        17 August 2021 18: 12
        Quote: EvilLion
        There are not many countries in the world that have at least


        And the question immediately arises, how many countries in the world with a comparable territory?
  4. +13
    16 August 2021 07: 12
    Moreover, the low survivability of the A-10 and a rather narrow range of applications put an end to the future of not only this attack aircraft, but also projects that could come to replace the A-10.


    Serbia, hit by Igla-1 MANPADS


    Iraq, 2003. Caught a burst from an anti-aircraft gun, disabled the engine


    Another Needle.


    Moreover, the low survivability of the A-10

    Something is wrong here ...

    By the way, what "wide spectrum" should we expect from an attack aircraft? Interception of ICBMs?
    1. -4
      16 August 2021 13: 12
      It will receive a rocket from the "drying", if another is not enough, or from an air defense system, and not a MANPADS, that's all survivability.
  5. +5
    16 August 2021 07: 34
    Roman, did not recognize you in makeup.
    Oddly enough, the United States is also thinking about what will happen in 20-30 years in terms of weapons.

    If you look closely at the A-10, it is an attack aircraft.

    I decided that a new author appeared on VO.
    1. +6
      16 August 2021 10: 42
      Quote: Flood
      I decided that a new author appeared on VO.

      Yes, I, too, when I read it, assumed that the caption to the article would not be “Roman Skomorokhov”, but “Captain Obvious”. smile
  6. 0
    16 August 2021 08: 20
    The main task to be solved tomorrow by the US Air Force is the invention and purchase of aircraft that can effectively, without the infusion of additional funds, serve for 10-20 years. No longer. And without expensive upgrades.
    And an important point: pilots will use such aircraft without retraining. Flying throughout his career without wasting time retraining.

    The plane was invented back in the century before last. Since then, only new designs have been developed.
    In the original, the text looks like this.
    “We are inventing how to think about an Air Force” where aircraft serve a “decade, two decades, but it's not any longer than that,” he said. As the service “harnesses the power of digital design… and gets us to design-centered acquisition,” future pilots won't spend their careers flying one plane, he suggested. Instead, they will fly “multiple versions of air superiority aircraft over a career.” That, Hinote said, should be exciting to today's fighter pilots.

    In Russian: "We must think of such an Air Force where planes will operate for ten, maximum twenty years, and pilots will fly several types of aircraft in their careers, which should look like an exciting prospect for modern fighter pilots."
  7. +2
    16 August 2021 08: 41
    And what is the average age of the Aerospace Forces aircraft? Dryers for Kuznetsov seem to have exhausted all the resources
  8. -1
    16 August 2021 08: 46
    An article that gives an idea of ​​the strategic development of aviation in the United States, and, therefore, throughout the world. As for fighter-bombers. So what, "Western World" will get the 35th, the cost of which will eat up their budget? Pay for R&D and serial production of 35s in the USA? As a result, will be forced to finally land on US vehicles? Not a weak move from their main partner.
  9. +2
    16 August 2021 10: 47
    Yes, Roman, from which they refused, 76 Su-57s in the Air Force were ordered by the Ministry of Defense, or in the Aerospace Forces, you can't figure them out now
  10. +6
    16 August 2021 13: 07
    Skomorokhov, they tell you 100500 times, no one has given up on the Su-57, the contract is being fulfilled. You don't know what's going on in Russia, so don't write about the United States.
  11. +4
    16 August 2021 16: 04
    For NGAD production, the construction of a new plant in California was completed.
    The Lockheed plant regularly produces 12-14 new F-35s per month.
    150 new fighters a year.
    Everyone would be doing as well as
    from the American Air Force. smile
  12. +1
    16 August 2021 17: 15
    Now, of course, "slippers from the sofas" will fly, but I will speak out anyway!
    I am generally touched by all these "marketing tricks" with these "generations" ..... Well, God bless them, with the F-35, ultimately due to a huge series and pressure from the State Department, their cost was reduced to 85-90 million $ ..... WHAT is it? This means that 3 (THREE) fighters are about the same as one URO corvette! So WHAT is better for an average European country: buy 24 F-35 (ONE regiment) or build 8 (eight!) Missile corvettes for the same money? Even if these corvettes are not the most perfect, and not even the most modern, but this is POWER! And what is 1 fighter regiment? request
    And if we talk about the F-22 and F-15EX - then there is a complete "tin"! - an air regiment costs like 10 missile corvettes ...
    So the question arises: "is it worth the candle" ....
    I'm not even saying that a collision of a fighter of the "4+" or "4 ++" generation with a "generation" fighter of "5" must necessarily end in the defeat of the "four" ...... I'm not very sure about that !!!
    P, S. He said that he wanted ... Now you can "throw slippers" ...
    1. -1
      24 September 2021 14: 32
      - Oh, if only slippers would help cleanse brainwaves! lol
      One link of the F-35 is capable of destroying 10 missile corvettes in a few hours ... Especially the Russian ones, with their missile defense system ...
  13. -2
    16 August 2021 21: 36
    A10 is a suitcase without a handle. In fact, assault aviation is no longer really needed. In Iraq, attack aircraft were replaced by b-1b and helicopters.
    For a big war, an attack aircraft is also not very suitable, because, as the situation in Syria has shown, from high altitudes it is easier to use a bomb, and on small ones it will be demolished by anti-aircraft missiles ... attack aircraft are a dead class. But for now, it's a pity to throw it out. After 10 years, they will be sent for conservation / trash
  14. 0
    16 August 2021 22: 25
    Another article "from above" from those who do not have a single aircraft of the 5th generation. No one.
    And the pictures of American technology are amazing, thank you!
    1. -2
      19 August 2021 13: 28
      Well, sooner or later, the Americans will finally roll out the 5th generation, I hope
  15. +1
    17 August 2021 00: 07
    low survivability of A-10

    Can you describe this moment in more detail?
  16. 0
    18 August 2021 21: 07
    A-10 has low survivability ????
    1. 0
      24 September 2021 14: 28
      - Do not listen to all the stupid nonsense from the "dummies" ... wink
  17. +2
    24 September 2021 14: 26
    - Roman Skomorokhov in his role - the American Air Force buries and bury everything! laughing lol And they still won't die ... wink
    The F-22 aircraft will fly until the established 2045 year, and maybe beyond.
    F-35 aircraft will fly and fly, and perform their established functions of strikers - until 2070. If circumstances force them, they will help as fighters, "in the wings."
    The F-15EX aircraft will actively replace their F-15C and F15E ancestors, primarily in the wars with the Papuans.
    NOBODY WILL SLEEP ANYONE BEFORE TIME, DO NOT DREAM.
    The NGAD aircraft will smoothly enter service and smoothly fill the deficiency of the F-22 caused by the moronic decision of the US Secretary of Defense in 2009, which cut off the release of the F-22 at 187, instead of the 381 required by the air force. J-20, supposed to be up to 500 units, no one will retire the F-22 ahead of time, there are no fools.
  18. Eug
    0
    26 October 2021 19: 40
    Enlighten - why can't the A-10 be replaced by Apaches with the simultaneous transfer of helicopter squadrons to the "customer" of their actions?
    1. +1
      6 January 2022 23: 05
      “The Apaches will not survive in the kind of" combat environment "in which the A-10C can successfully exist. Absolutely not that speed, absolutely not that maneuverability. This is how to make a gunship out of An-2 and replace it with the Su-25 ... lol
  19. 0
    4 November 2021 06: 51
    Just from the couch I wonder why they are not developing small aircraft, such as "Super Tucano".
    In recent years, all conflicts have been going against the irregulars, who really do not have air defense, and everyone is trying to iron them out with expensive ashes.
    One Tu-160 sortie to hit the Syrian barn (only for fuel, excluding wear and tear, the cost of ammunition, pilot salaries / support) costs more than 5 million rubles. Modern aviation is sooooo expensive, why not keep operating costs down?
    1. +1
      6 January 2022 23: 07
      - The Americans in Afghanistan did just that: they bought the Super Tucano squadron and used them for direct anti-partisan purposes.
      1. 0
        7 January 2022 00: 48
        Americans in Afghanistan did just that: bought

        Bought and developed - slightly different.
        At one time they had a gorgeous Bronco.
        There were modified Dragonfly cessna.
        Now they are buying.
        1. +1
          7 January 2022 01: 53
          At one time they had a gorgeous Bronco.

          - He was a smart girl to skate in peacetime. Absolutely unprotected, I would not be surprised if his pilots, like in the First World War, on Farman and Nieuporas, put two large frying pans under their asses in order to somehow protect themselves from small arms fire ... But it seems that the Americans bought from Brazilians licensed and set up the required release of "Super Tucano" (in any case, they discussed this at the level of the Congress commissions).

          1. 0
            7 January 2022 02: 00
            He was a smart girl to skate in peacetime. Completely unprotected

            Aircraft are not measured by armor alone

            In the five years of the Vietnam War, the US Air Force lost 64 OV-10 aircraft, the US Marine Corps 10 aircraft and the US Navy 7 aircraft.

            For comparison, the loss of protected F4 phantoms is about 900 pcs.
            F-105 thunderchiefs - about 400 pieces
            1. +1
              7 January 2022 02: 03
              - So you have to understand where F-4 and F-105 worked - and where did the OV-10 work ?! fool negative
              Aircraft are not measured by armor alone

              - Tell me more quickly, how are they still measured ?! laughing lol
              1. 0
                7 January 2022 02: 07
                So you have to understand where the F-4 and F-105 worked - and where the OV-10 worked ?!

                And where did the Bronco stormtrooper work?
                Is it really in the deep rear?
                The only question is the number of sorties and downed aircraft on a combat mission, but I don't have such data, if there is - share it, compare
                1. 0
                  7 January 2022 02: 11
                  And where did the Bronco stormtrooper work?
                  Is it really in the deep rear?

                  - Did you think that he was sent to work on the territory of the DRV?
                  The only question is the number of sorties and downed aircraft on a combat mission.

                  - And the conditions where sent to work this or that plane - do not care ?? This is nonsense.
                  ... but I don't have such data, if there is - share, compare

                  - All the data is on the network, you just need to search if you want. In English, of course ...
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                    7 January 2022 02: 15
                    In light of the upcoming restoration of the Serene Highness of the territory of Russia to the former Soviet Union, would you recommend General Gerasimov to make gunships from An-2? Put on each one cannon and several machine guns - there will be that "flying fortress"! The Bronco will quietly squat on the sidelines! laughing