Spanish media: False anti-Soviet underground lured Paulus's army into a trap near Stalingrad

The false anti-Soviet underground, created by the intelligence of the USSR, lured Paulus's 6th Army into a trap near Stalingrad, creating the conditions for a radical turning point in World War II. And the diversionary maneuver in this multi-step operation cost the lives of 70 thousand soldiers and commanders of the Red Army.

Juan Martin Alarcón presents this interpretation in an article published by the Spanish newspaper El Confidencial.

The best way to deceive someone is to tell the truth. Such a contradiction. But this is exactly what happened in the winter of 1943 on the Russian front by Stalin's decision.

- writes Alarcon.

The Spanish media claims that the failure of the Rzhev operation, which claimed the lives of tens of thousands of Red Army soldiers, was allegedly planned in advance by Stalin. And she herself had only to distract the enemy from the main direction of the Soviet counteroffensive, which was planned to be carried out in the south, in the Stalingrad region. The operation, codenamed "The Monastery," ultimately led to the largest defeat of Nazi Germany and its allies in the entire Second World War.

The key figure in it was the Soviet intelligence officer Alexander Demyanov, the grandson of a Cossack officer known among the White emigration. He was part of an anti-Soviet underground organization that actually consisted of double agents working for our intelligence. Demyanov managed to convince the Germans that the USSR would deliver the main blow in the Moscow direction, in the Rzhev area. For the Nazis to believe, says the all-knowing Spanish observer Alarcón, the Red Army did indeed launch an operation there that ended in defeat. But this counteroffensive only distracted the enemy from the Stalingrad operation.

And at Stalingrad at that time a large enemy grouping led by Paulus was surrounded and a radical change took place in the Great Patriotic War. After him, it became clear to almost the whole world that sooner or later military actions would end in the final defeat of Nazi Germany, and victory over her was only a matter of time.

It is noteworthy that the Spanish observer does not tell his readers about how the Spanish armed formations participated in the war against the USSR on the side of Nazi Germany. First of all, we are talking about the "Blue Division", "distinguished", including a series of war crimes.

Comments

[marchcat]

What an absurd nonsense described by the Spaniard Alarcon.

[knn54]

Stalingrad was the most important transport and industrial center.
They would be cut off from the Caucasus with its rich resources, and above all oil.
The mystic Hitler saw in the city of Stalin the most important symbol for the Soviet people.
As for the Rzhev operation.
On November 4, 1942, "Heine" - "Max" reported that the Red Army would strike the Germans on November 15, not near Stalingrad, but in the North Caucasus and near Rzhev. The Germans were waiting for a blow near Rzhev and repelled it.
For some reason, Zhukov, who did not know about this radio game (???), paid a dear price - in the offensive near Rzhev, thousands and thousands of our soldiers who were under his command were killed. In his memoirs, he admits that the outcome of this offensive operation was unsatisfactory. But he never found out (the documents were declassified relatively recently) that the Germans were warned of our offensive in the Rzhev direction, so they formed a significant grouping there.

[Andrey VOV]

It was not necessary to form it there, and so the main forces of the army group center were concentrated there, which surpassed ours, about well in artillery

[Victor Tsenin]

Well, rightly so, what a mystic there is, here is a documented seizure addict is a fact)

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The situation there is not so simple. Indeed, it was not possible to ensure secrecy during the preparation of the operation near Rzhev. But how much it was revealed in the radio game is a question. Perhaps Zhukov, upon arriving from Stalingrad near Rzhev, found out that it was not possible to ensure secrecy and did not mind that the offensive was also confirmed in the radio game. But at Stalingrad, the offensive unfolded really unexpectedly for the Germans and they did not have enough reserves there. It is also true that near Rzhev, of course, they hoped for success, despite the loss of the surprise effect, and the fact that they did not know about the presence of significant reserves of the Germans there.

[Alexey RA]

PMSM, Mars and Uranus were two intertwined operations, the joint implementation of which ensured the success of at least one of them.
If the Germans select the closest mechanical units (which are in the Center group) to counter Uranus, the Red Army is successfully carrying out Operation Mars.
If the Germans do not touch the Center group and are driving a tank division from France, the Red Army is successfully carrying out Operation Uranus.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Alexey RA

PMSM, Mars and Uranus were two intertwined operations, the joint implementation of which ensured the success of at least one of them.
If the Germans select the closest mechanical units (which are in the Center group) to counter Uranus, the Red Army is successfully carrying out Operation Mars.
If the Germans do not touch the Center group and are driving a tank division from France, the Red Army is successfully carrying out Operation Uranus.

And most importantly, the Soviet troops that stand near Rzhev and act, even if they fail, do not allow Kluge's forces to be thrown at Stalingrad, depriving the Germans of a potential strongest reinforcement.

[Eug]

Does anyone else believe that one and a half times more forces can participate in a "distracting" operation than in the main one?

[Real Pilot]

And, can you imagine, in 30 years they will write, about the same place:
"The false Russian opposition in the 2020s, consisting of double agents, lured and fooled Western politicians while Putin grew stronger" ...

Historical fantasies and conjectures are the lot of pseudo-historians eager for recognition.
Information about Russian intelligence should be sought in the archives, not in the Spanish press!

[ViacheslavS]

So it seems like this is Operation Monastery
https://topwar.ru/74110-operaciya-monastyr.html

all the nuances are only in the emotional presentation.

[ALEXANDER GAZEEV]

It's a pity they didn't destroy the Blue Division in the bud. This psaka does not know the map of the USSR at all.

[Snail N9]

70 thousand casualties in a diversionary operation near Rzhev ... How modest. At least 10 must be multiplied ...

[Andrey VOV]

Well, the battle of Rzhevskach consisted of 4 separate of our offensive operations, and according to the sum of these operations, the total irreparable losses of our army amounted to about 400 thousand people, a huge figure, of course

[Alex Justice]

The ratio is 1 to 4. Complete rout and destruction of our two armies ..

[Andrey VOV]

Yes, the ratio of losses is very large, all the numbers are known, no one disputes the hardest battles

[voyaka uh]

This was the reason that Zhukov was finally kicked out of the General Staff.
And they were not allowed there until the very end of the war.
He annoyed everyone with his blatant incompetence.
Even Stalin at the end of 42 realized that Zhukov in the General Staff was a lost war.

[Andrey VOV]

Zhukov was relieved of his post as chief of staff in August 42.

[credo]

If we discuss every publication from the West about how the poor fascist coalition, led by Germany, during the Second World War, was brazenly deceived by the insidious Stalin, his bloodthirsty military leaders and arrogant and shameless Red Army soldiers on the territory of the USSR, we will not have enough life , strength and emotions.
We still won't get them to tell the truth and admit their guilt, so we need to concentrate on what is taught in Russian schools, colleges, technical schools and universities, and honor the memory of our ancestors.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: credo

arrogant and shameless Red Army soldiers on the territory of the USSR,

And yet, with their tanks on the streets of Berlin, they drove poor Hitler and Goebbels to suicide!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Uncle Lee

..... also, they drove poor Hitler and Goebbels to suicide with their tanks on the streets of Berlin!

and Eva Braun suffered and, together with Hitler, committed suicide, she and Hitler were very tolerant, as they say now, and Goebbels was crippled, one leg was much shorter than the other

[Uncle lee]

And Magda Goebbels and her five children ...
Yes, Adik took the shepherd with him!
Dima

[Reptiloid]

Oh, how zhezh I, Vladimir, forgot about the shepherd. One thing pleases, it was not mentioned that he killed the canary and took it to the grave with him, so that no one would get it. Happy for the canaries, they escaped from Hitler and ANENERBE. So Heydrich was sent to the next world early

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Reptiloid

Heydrich

Heydrich was sewn by English commandos in Czechoslovakia ... It took a long time to get to him, all the sent groups disappeared - he was very dear to the Czechs, they took care of him - he organized well the work of factories "for war" and the Czechs lived and worked well at these factories ...

[restless]

Czechs are still those prostitutes ...

[Uncle lee]

Not that word !

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Reptiloid

Goebbels was crippled

A true Aryan! His klikuha is "swaying"

[Reptiloid]

... A true Aryan ... a wobbly ...

However, Vladimir, Wikipedia says that he had 6 children, whom Magda Goebbels prudently poisoned in advance!

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Reptiloid

there were 6 children

I have already forgotten, for the remoteness of years ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote from Uncle Lee

A true Aryan! His klikuha is "swaying"

[Alexey RA]

Artist, vegetarian and animal lover Hitler.
Disabled Goebbels.
Body-positive and lover of expanding Goering's consciousness.

It is strange that they have not yet been raised to their banner by the lovers of tolerance.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Alexey RA

..... It is strange that they have not yet been raised to their banner by the lovers of tolerance.

Yes! Weird! Moreover, it is known that the Spanish surrealist artist Salvador Dali was somehow very sensitive to Hitler, perhaps somehow perverted precisely because of Hitler's injury he received in WW1.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: credo

we must concentrate on what is taught in domestic schools, colleges, technical schools and universities, and honor the memory of our ancestors.

Exactly so and in no other way. "Civilized West" is purposefully engaged in brainwashing - the work goes to break ties: historical, family ... it's easier to raise a generation rut from Urengoy who will still apologize

[Reserve buildbat]

And in general, insidious Soviet intelligence officers forced the naive "European Union" to attack the USSR instead of growing flowers in Holland and Greenland

[Reptiloid]

..... flowers in ....... Greenland ......

There are no flowers near the Pole, but on the islands of the Canadian Archipelago there are small worms that can live only at temperatures below 0 ° C !!!!!!!!! Could have opened them earlier! How are they there, poor people, suffer! .. No fascist knew about them.

[Reserve buildbat]

But there would be no need to attack the USSR, so I suppose in Greenland already flowers would grow and oranges and apple trees would bloom.

[Reptiloid]

Grapes in Greenland were remembered by people, that's why they called it --- Green Earth.

[Vadim Ananyin]

Another delirium, it is not at all clear where such thoughts come from.
No, actually, you can guess where, but then why talk to them about these topics at all
Let them blow in the ears of their citizens.

[A. Privalov]

It is noteworthy that the Spanish observer does not tell his readers about how the Spanish armed formations participated in the war against the USSR on the side of Nazi Germany. First of all, we are talking about the "Blue Division", "distinguished", including a series of war crimes.

The Spaniards, of course, are bastards! However, what does this fact have to do with what the Spanish journalist wrote in his article? It could have been a journalist, both Ethiopian and Moroccan.
And about the operation "Monastery", they wrote a lot and in sufficient detail. An excellent operation by the special services of that time. I don’t know what this Spaniard suddenly remembered about her and I don’t understand why the VO editorial office got so angry at him, what’s wrong? You never know diversionary operations were carried out by all sides who fought in that terrible war.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The Rzhev operation was not a distraction; it was one of the ongoing operations. Due to the large forces involved in it, in some positions even superior to the forces involved in Stalingrad, it can in no way be considered a distraction.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

The Rzhev operation was not a distraction; it was one of the ongoing operations. Due to the large forces involved in it, in some positions even superior to the forces involved in Stalingrad, it can in no way be considered a distraction.

Call it what you want, but I remember that Zhukov was set up tightly there when they convinced Germany that the strike would be near Rzhev, and not near Stalingrad. Suffice it to recall the attempts on July 30 - October 1 and November 25 - December 20, 1942, when Zhukov tried to take Rzhev, having lost hundreds of thousands of soldiers. But you can't blame him! In general, comparing Rzhev, which was beaten off from the enemy for a year and two and a half months, and Stalingrad is rude and incorrect, as well as to correlate with any other battle.

Rzhev was released only in March 1943.
Some historians say that the Red Army, after all, moved forward and "exhausted" the enemy, others indicate that the set goals were not achieved, and the losses turned out to be exorbitant.

"Continuous offensive battles devoured people like a flame of dry grass. Operations remained unfinished. And if so, they did not justify the forces and resources expended on them," - wrote in his memoirs the former commander of the 16th Army of the Western Front, Konstantin Rokossovsky.

In the battles for a small and little-known city, a total of one and a half times more soldiers died than in the Battle of Stalingrad. Alexander Tvardovsky dedicated to them one of the most poignant poems about the war: "I am killed and I don't know if Rzhev is ours at last?"

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The fact that Zhukov was framed seems to be true. They were thrown into carrying out an operation that had already been failed, revealed during preparation.

[Alex Justice]

Konev, Stalin and Zhukov showed their helplessness, learned to fight on the blood of their people.

[Andrey VOV]

And in war, only blood can you learn to fight with your own

[carstorm 11]

The same opinion. What a strange reaction. All the steps and decisions of that time led to the year 45 in Berlin. Nothing can be thrown away or altered. War is chess and just such operations prove it.

[Catfish]

Yes, about the "Blue Division" sounded dissonance - in the elderberry garden, and in Kiev uncle.

Good afternoon, Alexander.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Sea Cat

Yes, about the "Blue Division" sounded dissonance - in the elderberry garden, and in Kiev uncle.

Good afternoon, Alexander.

And I greet you, Konstantin!
In fact, I figured out why this VO ran into the poor journalist in my editorial.
It's just that the Editors took as a basis the translation in inosmi.ru, which is preceded by the following text that turns the Spaniard into a Russophobe:

The Spanish author tells how Soviet intelligence, with the help of a fake "anti-Soviet group", lured Paulus's 6th Army into encirclement at Stalingrad. But his dislike for Russia is so great that he calls this military cunning "deception", although Stalingrad was a turning point in the fight against the Nazis, a battle won for all mankind. However, the author is not the only historian among those who dare to call the deception of the Wehrmacht "deception", and the sacrifices made for the sake of pinning down the German forces near Rzhev - "cannon fodder." The author refers to the British historian Anthony Beevor, whose hypocritical view of the history of World War II (approaching it with today's moral standards) is well known.

In his article, he dared to mention the historian Anthony Beevor (the author of a number of books on the history of the 35th century, in particular about the Second World War, his works have been translated into 7 languages ​​with more than XNUMX million copies sold). But he, at one time, expressed that Soviet soldiers massively raped German women and even said that he had some documents that were allegedly found in Soviet sources, in particular in the reports of the NKVD from the state archives of the Russian Federation. After that, everyone in Russia hit him hard, criticized him terribly, and deserved to him.
Even Ukrainians found some anti-Ukrainian statements in his works and banned some books.
But what is the Spaniard's fault? And the speech in his article is completely different. It is rather trifling, although it is full of stereotypes that today look like remnants of the first Cold War.
For those interested - the link under the spoiler. Unfortunately, the Spanish original is only available to subscribers of the newspaper.

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[Alexey RA]

Quote: A. Privalov

In his article, he dared to mention the historian Anthony Beevor (the author of a number of books on the history of the 35th century, in particular about the Second World War, his works have been translated into 7 languages ​​with more than XNUMX million copies sold). But he, at one time, expressed that Soviet soldiers massively raped German women and even said that he had some documents that were allegedly found in Soviet sources, in particular in the reports of the NKVD from the state archives of the Russian Federation. After that, everyone in Russia hit him hard, criticized him terribly, and deserved to him.

It is simply difficult for a mass reader to understand the works of Glantz with his enumeration of parts and compounds - many bukaf, niasilil... And then he takes Beevor, who writes a "fried history" according to the documents of the NKVD and military tribunals, as a result of which the same Battle of Stalingrad turns into a series of drunkenness, desertions, massacre, theft, criminal negligence, self-shooting, etc.
However, Bivor is still far from Boryusik, who has thought to include a fragment of a porno story in his hysterical works.

[poquello]

"It is noteworthy that the Spanish observer does not tell his readers about how the Spanish armed formations participated in the war against the USSR on the side of Hitler's Germany. First of all, we are talking about the Blue Division," distinguished "among other things by a series of war crimes."
Th now the Spaniards can not write about the Second World War, or only with the mention of the blue division?

[Konnick]

Germany transferred its reserves, 4 tank divisions and 1 motorized division, near Rzhev. If she had transferred them to Stalingrad, then the defeat of Model's 9th Army would have followed, and at Stalingrad there would have been a diversionary blow. Operations at Stalingrad and Rzhev were being prepared at the same time, at the very last moment, Stalin also sent Zhukov to the Western Front, and then the Germans finally believed in the main attack on the 9th Army.
Sometimes the idea that the Headquarters actually lured the 6th Army to Stalingrad is slipping through. Our troops quickly retreated to the Volga, following orders not to linger on the defensive in the bare steppe, but retaining their strength to take up defenses along the Don, Volga and on the approaches to Stalingrad. And at that time, along the Volzhskaya Rokada, which Stalin ordered to build in January 1942 (!!! As if he knew about the fall of the 42nd), formations of the 1st Guards Army began to approach. As a result of, one might say, a systematic retreat, the front line was very far apart, the Germans had to attract satellites, the German troops themselves were tightly located only directly on the outskirts of the city, and the flanks were occupied by the Romanian and Italian troops. For Paulus, the logistics became more complicated, the supply routes were very lengthened. At the same time, troops entered the Volzhskaya Rokada systematically and supplies were established. Tank formations were being formed in Kazan.
On September 12, a meeting was held at the Headquarters of the Civil Code, and at this meeting, Stalin seemed to be waiting for a proposal for a counterattack followed by an encirclement. And he waited from Zhukov and Vasilevsky, who suddenly had an inspiration. Zhukov described this moment as follows.

“AM and I moved away from the table and spoke very quietly about the need for a different solution.
-What is the other solution? - suddenly, raising his head from the map, Stalin asked.
I never thought that Stalin had such a keen ear .... "

And the strike at Rzhev was not crowned with success, unlike Stalingrad, a too strong group, in which there were neither Romanians nor Italians, but in March 43, Hitler realized that he could be left not only without Paulus, but also without Model, with his the most efficient army aimed at Moscow. And he gave the order to evacuate from the Rzhev salient.
So the Spaniard did not discover anything new.

[Al_lexx]

The Vyazemsko-Rzhevskaya meat grinder was invariantly necessary in order to prevent the Germans from transferring additional forces to Stalingrad, on the one hand, and, on the other, to accumulate forces and equipment to encircle Paulus. That is why, near Rzhev there were so few Soviet equipment and they fought with soldiers' lives. There was simply no other way out. And while Zhukov was laying battalions, regiments and divisions near Rzhev, fresh divisions were formed in the strictest secrecy to strike at Stalingrad.
The emphasis on Stalingrad was not only because the way to Baku and Grozny was opened for the Germans, but also because, as a result of this operation, Turkey and Japan were expected to enter the war with the USSR. Considering that the Turkish army was very numerous and much more combat-ready than most of the German European allies, as well as the fact that in the Far East the minimum necessary forces remained to cover the border with China, a defeat at Stalingrad would mean our defeat in WWII, as maximum and at least twice as many casualties among the population and the Armed Forces, since apart from Iranian oil, we would not have had anything to refuel our equipment, factories beyond the Urals were just gaining capacity, and the transport network of Siberia was extremely undeveloped. Plus, the next huge costs for the next and total evacuation of the rest of the European territory of the USSR. One could immediately forget about the unblocking of Leningrad. And it is not known how Britain and the USA would have behaved in this case, in terms of lend-lease, etc. In short, if they had surrendered Stalingrad and had not inflicted that crushing defeat on the Germans, we would all have had a hard karachun.

[Fitter65]

the Spanish observer does not tell his readers about how the Spanish armed formations also participated in the war against the USSR on the side of Hitler's Germany. First of all, we are talking about the "Blue Division", "distinguished", including a series of war crimes.

Well, first of all, they are gayropeans, that is, they are no longer guilty. But the only thing is that they cannot yet otmazate Nazi Germany from the outbreak of World War II, although the USSR is already being identified as guilty of this. After all, how well everything is going: Stalin is a tyrant who starves and puts his people in camps (which are controlled by the Gulag) who are waiting for European democracy, which they are bringing on 22.06. 1941, united Europe with the European leader of Hitler's Germany .... Everything is developing so beautifully, but this Poland ... Well, it would blame the USSR for the occupation, but it also accuses Germany ... Ddda, too.

[Alex Justice]

The main failed operation was near Rzhev. They also tried to surround the Germans with ticks, but they themselves were surrounded. The Germans outplayed Zhukov and Konev clean. Stalingrad in second place, but it turned out to be successful and developed.

[Andrey VOV]

I don't know, for me the Kharkov offensive operation in the spring of 42 was more disastrous and its consequences were dire

[Alex Justice]

I compared Rzhev with Stalingrad. Some argue that Rzhev is only keeping the enemy from Stalingrad.
Yes, the Kharkov battle is the most shameful.

[Konnick]

The Kharkov battle is the most shameful.

Well, this is from your point of view, but from the point of view of Stalin, no, he practically did not punish anyone. The defeat at Kharkov was played by the tactics of the Germans to concentrate aviation in the right place. On May 11, the 4th Air Fleet, freed from the defeat of our Crimean Front, where it played a decisive role, was relocated to Kharkov and on May 15 began blocking our tank brigades, supply routes and destroying headquarters. All our offensive plans were canceled out by the actions of the Luftwaffe. The tanks were left without fuel, the troops were without headquarters, and some of our generals simply disappeared without a trace, falling under the bombing. All that remained was to fight their way back, abandoning equipment and artillery. Subsequently, before the start of the counter-offensive at Stalingrad, Stalin did not allow starting an operation without concentrating our aviation to gain air supremacy. The experience of previous battles has shown that while the air supremacy for the Germans can not even dream of the success of offensive operations. And the Rzhev third offensive operation was a duplicate, if the Germans had sent a reserve in the form of 4 tank divisions and one motorized one at Stalingrad, at Rzhev we would have surrounded the 9th Army with the same success, and not the 6th in Stalingrad.

[Konnick]

themselves were surrounded. The Germans outplayed Zhukov and Konev in a clean

Everything worked out for Konev, but for Zhukov only the mechanized corps of Solomatin was surrounded, but then left, having lost almost all the equipment. So I would not say "outright". By the way, there is a feature film "General Shubnikov's Corps", which is just about those events.
The plot is as follows

Winter 1942. A new mechanized corps is being formed under the command of Major General Shubnikov. At this time, according to Hitler's order, four tank divisions were to be transferred from the Velikiye Luki - Rzhev area to the aid of General Paulus, whose army was tightly surrounded by Soviet troops in the Stalingrad area. The Shubnikov High Command was tasked with breaking through the German defense with a sudden massive attack, while creating the appearance of a major offensive

But this is a movie, but in reality everything was more complicated. Operation "Monastery" of our special services and the "false underground" contributed to the fact that at first German divisions from France arrived near Rzhev, and with the beginning of our counteroffensive near Stalingrad they began to be loaded into echelons to be sent there, but a powerful offensive of our two fronts, Western and Kalinin and the dispatch was stopped and urgently redeployed for a counterattack, which Zhukov did not expect, just as our intelligence, which failed to detect these tank divisions in advance. Zhukov was not even initiated into this cunning multi-step operation with the participation of our agent, "working" for the Germans in our General Staff. Who beat whom?
I am sure that we have outplayed the Germans strategically.

[Ryaruav]

listening to the Hispaniola Latinos is like with Hindus, also dancing gibberish music

[Natalia Kolpakova]

It's amazing when significant people start discussing what a half-mangled duck is quacking about.
Honestly, gentlemen, by discussing the latter, you give them even more reason to "quack".
The more attention is paid to their verbiage, the more enthusiasm they will pour out their verbal diarrhea in the media.
It is not necessary to discuss "quacking", it is necessary to show the "shabby and worthlessness" of such individuals in society, then the statements of the latter will come down to "NO".

[Alf]

The false anti-Soviet underground created by the intelligence of the USSR lured Paulus's 6th Army into a trap near Stalingrad,

And in general, the false anti-Soviet underground created by the intelligence of the USSR lured the Third Reich into the USSR ...
Lord, how flatters the author. And they say that Malaga is low-degree ...

[razved]

The Spaniards have recently been actively fighting for the title of delirious champions

[Mikhail Stekolschikov]

The main goal of the Red Army operation was to encircle the Germans not only in Stalingrad, but also in the Caucasus (Big Saturn). Then another 900 thousand Germans and 4 TA would be surrounded. This plan failed because Vasilevsky, without the consent of Stalin, turned Malinovsky's 2GA against Meinstein, who was rushing to Stalingrad. As a result, they limited themselves to encircling Stalingrad. And the Germans retreated 600 km and crossed the Sea of ​​Azov on the ice.

[Mikhail Stekolschikov]

Now the question is, maybe it was better to let Meinstein go to Stalingrad, which he didn’t want ... So he would not have been able to evacuate Paulus's army and he himself would have been surrounded ... That's what needs to be discussed ...

[RUSmen]

Some Hu ... an in some Spanish rag mutters something in schizophrenic delirium.

[aszzz888]

Juan Martin Alarcón

an ordinary Russophobe. Spanish only.

[Kostadinov]

The false anti-Soviet underground lured Paulus's army into a trap near Stalingrad

Soviet intelligence lured Germany to attack the USSR and Soviet intelligence included Hitler and the Wehrmacht command.

[1536]

Truly, the theme of the Great Patriotic War is inexhaustible, every day you learn something new about the events of those years. But this "knowledge" comes in some roundabout way and therefore resembles nonsense, which is carried in order to confuse people, distort events and hide the truth.
It would be logical for the Spaniard to tell something new about the role of Spain in the Second World War, and about the notorious "Blue Division", which together with the Nazi troops carried out the blockade of the city of Leningrad from the summer of 1941 to October 1943, as they came to life then. such. But no, he is broadcasting to us about Stalingrad.

[A_Lex]

All these historical nuances are irrelevant. The main thing is who writes, for whom and for what purpose.

In this case, a full-time, professional employee writes. "add-on" that serves the interests of the owners. The owners' interest is traditional - to discredit a competitor by any means. If the competitor is to blame, then he must. He writes for Europeans, who for the most part are illiterate due to the specifics of the bourgeois model of upbringing, when in some business you are trained for years and there you are an ace, and the rest is oak oak, because the rest either has no physical time, or it is spent on actively popularized entertainment. Therefore, such people, for lack of systemic knowledge, are forced to take the word of "experts". Who are en masse in the "court" service and therefore promote opinions beneficial to the owners. This situation is stereotyped and typical not only for Europe, but in principle for any bourgeois state, which is always built on lies.

Now about the best way to discredit your opponent. To do this, you need to present it inadequate. Uncivilized. The method of dividing into "civilized and barbarians" is as old as the world. But only if in the Roman Empire a barbarian could become a citizen, then the evolution of a vile idea by the forces of the minds of Kholui experts led to Nazism, the basis of which is the division into Aryans, who are correct from birth, and not Aryans, who, again, are born to be wrong. By the way, Tolkien's book, which he finished just after the Second World War, is about the same innate racism, describing an epic confrontation between beautiful and cuddly elves and unwashed and smelly orcs. The ugly form, as usual, should only more strongly emphasize the wretched inner content.

Now about the methodology, how it is actually necessary to properly discredit. To sell the Europeans a version about an inadequate IVS, it must be presented as understandable to Europeans, but at the same time one that is worse than the Europeans themselves in order for them to be horrified. Europeans throughout history have used vile and devious tactics against their competitors. Slaves, conquistadors, smallpox-infected blankets and all that is beautiful. At the same time, the Europeans have an extremely strong concept of "theirs". Go somewhere in Europe now. You will not find any fairness in business there. In black jobs, there will be completely migrants and gaster, and in good warm positions, where you do not need to get your pens dirty - only your own. As the saying goes: everything is good for ours, for the rest - the law. And this is considered normal. But in the USSR, which is typical, most of its history, and especially in the period from 29 to 53, such a concept as "ours" was not a system-forming one. And it was actively established among the masses only just before the very end, when the country was literally swallowed up by the accursed bourgeois ideology, as a result of which the phrase "I come to you from Ivan Ivanovich" or from some other no less weighty VIP became a household name.

So the situation when the IVS in advance, as a diversionary blow, throws tens of thousands of soldiers into the scorching heat to certain death - from the point of view of Europeans, this is an incredible bastard, because this is meanness in relation to its own. After that, the IVS in their eyes, of course, is a natural monster, and those who seem to have come to terms with his rule are completely abnormal. And the abnormal is actually the same as the uncivilized.
Therefore, all the versions invented during this time regarding the IVS fit exactly into the category: monster and psycho.