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Military medical training, tactical medicine, special operations medicine in combat units

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Tactical medicine is currently a popular and well-known term. In the Russian Federation, methodological manuals and guidelines are published on this subject, conferences are held.

Let's see where this term came from and why it is so common.

The appearance of the term "tactical medicine" in the Special Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation


The term tactical medicine appeared in 2009–2013 in the units of the Special Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, simultaneously with the receipt of modern foreign samples of medical equipment to provide assistance at the pre-hospital stage.

To use these samples, original training materials were required - the TCCS manual (Tactical Сombat Сasualty Сare) - tactics of providing assistance on the battlefield.

Directly the term "tactical medicine" in combat units came as an abbreviated name for the leadership of the TCCS. During the period 2009-2013, it was obvious that the local application of the TCCS would lead to the further development of military medical training through the application and adaptation of this guide.

In the period 2014–2017 in Russia and a number of other post-Soviet countries, a large number of Russian-language manuals on military medical training were published based on the adapted TSSS manual.

In 2017–2021, the term "tactical medicine" has firmly entered the use of military doctors of the RF Armed Forces and received official recognition.

In 2009–2013, the leadership of the TCCS fell on fertile soil, a number of factors contributed to its widespread dissemination and use in the form of a draft technical translation:

1. An increase in the level of combat training in the Special Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

2. The low level of combat training of graduates of military medical universities arriving for service in the special forces in a number of disciplines: fire training, general and special tactics, topography, engineering training, communications.

3. Inconsistency of the military medical training program with the tasks of the Special Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

4. Long-term disregard by medical and military medical universities of the availability of modern means and methods of providing care in the pre-hospital level. As a result, there is a lack of knowledge and skills among the medical staff in this section.

The combination of these factors revealed the problem of the inconsistency of the level of training of medical graduates with the requirements of combat units and, as a result, the question of the advisability of having a medical staff in combat units has matured. Gaps in education meant that a special forces soldier who completed short courses lasting 1–3 days could be better prepared to provide assistance on the battlefield than a doctor after 7–8 years of training.

The problem of opposing classical military medical training and tactical medicine still exists at this point in time. It is solved by training the medical staff according to modern guidelines and recommendations for providing assistance.

The very process of adaptation of foreign guidelines and treatment and diagnostic algorithms in the systems of civil and military medicine is a standard practice.

International guidelines are more prevalent, often more effective, and have a higher level of credibility from an evidence-based medicine perspective. You can relate differently to foreign experience and leadership, but the fact remains - on the basis of TCCS (Tactical Сombat Сasualty Сare), manuals, guidelines and training programs in military medicine have been created in the RF Armed Forces, are being created and will be created.

Now we come to the following conclusion: the essence of tactical medicine is the adaptation and application of the TCCS (Tactical Сombat Сasualty Сare) leadership to the modern realities of the combat units of the RF Armed Forces.

Management - TCCS (Tactical Сombat Сasualty Сare) 1996


Since the content of tactical medicine is the TCCS manual, further we will analyze the adaptation and use of the primary sources directly - various editions of this manual.

The guidelines were first published in 1996 in the journal Military Medicine. The authors of the article "Tactical Combat Casualty Care in Special Operations" are US military medics - (Captain Frank K. Butler, Jr., MC, USN Lieutenant Colonel John Haymann, MC, USA Ensign E. George Butler, MC).

This work reveals the problem of tactics of providing assistance to victims during special operations. The study was carried out in the interests of the US SOF (US Special Operations Forces).

The essence of the study is the application of the principles of the ATLS (Advanced trauma life support) leadership on the battlefield and the creation, based on the ATLS, of a guide for providing assistance for the US MTR at the prehospital stage. The main analysis of US MTR prehospital care statistics was conducted over the period 1993-1995.

Features of the article and the first edition of the 1996 TCCS manual:

- The analysis and conclusions were carried out in relation to the US Special Forces Special Forces units.

- Factors of complicating the use of ATLS have been analyzed in detail: enemy fire, limited capabilities in medical equipment for US Special Operations Forces units during combat missions, significant variations in the time of medical evacuation, evacuation features by various modes of transport, the problem of providing assistance at night, regardless of the presence or absence NVV (night vision device).

- The problem of non-compliance of the ATLS program (program for training medical personnel of hospitals and hospitals) for military doctors of the US MTR is described in detail.

- The relevance of maintenance of skills by US MTR medics and their insufficient qualifications for effective medical evacuation is indicated, solutions are described.

- The need to monitor saturation (SaO2) and capnogram (etCO2) during air evacuation is indicated to assess the effectiveness of mechanical ventilation (artificial lung ventilation).

- The problem of evacuation by the medical personnel of the unit is described.

- The reasons for the low efficiency of CPR (cardiopulmonary resuscitation) in case of gunshot wounds are described (in the modern version of the TCCS, CPR is the 18th item in the order of events).

- Based on the results of the study, the zoning of the prehospital stage was proposed, depending on the degree of threat from the enemy (under fire, battlefield, tactical evacuation).

- Taking into account zoning, an algorithm is proposed to eliminate life-threatening situations.

- The principles of using some ATLS manipulations (tracheal intubation, immobilization of the cervical spine, etc.) have been revised.

- An algorithm for infusion-transfusion therapy at the pre-hospital stage has been compiled.

- Planning of the most realistic scenarios is proposed for the application of the TCCS.

The basic principles of the first edition of the TCCS manual have been preserved, have been further developed and are relevant at this point in time.

Currently, the TCCS is used by the US MTR, the United States Army, NATO countries and a number of other countries.

Modern editions of TSSS and application in the Special Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation


Modern editions of the TCCS are built on the basis of statistical analysis to eliminate preventable mortality within the framework of the concept of providing assistance in polytrauma. Elements of post-syndromic therapy of emergency conditions based on the basic principles of resuscitation (MARCH protocol) have been introduced into the primary algorithms of the TCCS.
A distinctive feature of the TCCS is a detailed guide to the algorithm of work on the battlefield and clear zoning of the prehospital stage (assistance under fire, assistance on the battlefield, tactical evacuation).

The TCCS analyzes the most likely (and not desirable) events on the battlefield. In the algorithms for the provision of care, elements of syndromic therapy are used: stopping external bleeding, therapy of hemorrhagic shock (including blood transfusion), elimination of respiratory failure (including mechanical ventilation), prevention of coagulopathy, differential treatment of pain syndrome (narcotic and non-narcotic analgesics, use of an antidote for overdose of morphine, etc.), antibiotic prophylaxis, etc.

This guide is fundamental to prehospital care and is regularly updated and published. Structurally, the TSSS is divided into two parts: the first part is for all military personnel, the second part is for medical personnel. Details of the level of assistance for all categories of trainees can be found in the TCCS table of the list of skills, an example is presented at the end of the article.

The tactical and treatment-diagnostic algorithms are accompanied by a complete nomenclature of the used standard equipment, medical styling and kits. The appendix to the TCCS contains teaching methods with a large number of diagrams and videos.

The main positive features of the TSSS are a pronounced practical orientation, the realism of the proposed tactical scenarios, a detailed nomenclature of the proposed medical property, the availability of a detailed teaching methodology, the standardization of treatment and diagnostic algorithms within the framework of the concept of care for polytrauma, ease of adaptation and application.

Negative factors of the TCCS, in relation to the Special Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation:

- The TCCS manual is built for a health care system with a higher level of care. In the context of federal standards of care in the Russian Federation, a doctor who has the basic skills of an A&R doctor (anesthesiologist-resuscitator) and a transfusion doctor can fully apply the TCCS algorithms.

- The discrepancy between the categories of medical personnel in the USA and the Russian Federation, the discrepancy in the level of proficiency between similar categories of medical personnel.

- TCCS was originally built within the framework of the features of the MTR and the US Army. These are relatively short contracts for US military personnel. The presence of elements of continuous education in the system of combat training of medical personnel. The absence of a specialized medical education among the representatives of the majority of medical military registration specialties (VUS) in the United States, the presence of several categories of nursing staff, the elitism of the doctor's profession.

The negative factors are indicated in more detail, since they are a stumbling block to the holistic application of the TCCS.

Problems of adaptation of the TSSS leadership in the Special Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation


Let's sum up the intermediate result: for the Special Forces of the RF Armed Forces, the TSSS is a progressive and implementable leadership.

However, its adaptation and application in the conditions of the Special Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation encountered a number of problems:

1. Absence of medical staff in the majority of editions of TCCS programs in the category of trainees.

2. A high level of care within the framework of this algorithm, which is fully available in the Russian Federation only to A&R doctors.

3. The need to train medical staff at clinical sites to fully master the skills. For example, the 1996 TCCS manual cites research data that paramedics trained on dummies in ideal operating room conditions with fully relaxed patients had an initial rate of 42% successful intubation.

4. The difference in the systems of categories of medical personnel in the United States and the Russian Federation.

5. The basic (initial) level of leadership of the TCCS in the concept of providing care for polytrauma at the prehospital stage.

6. Problematic issues with the actual norms of the provision of medical property and medicines for the Special Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. The problem itself is organizational, since most of the analogues, copies of the nomenclature of medicinal assets and original medicines specified in the TCCS are produced in the Russian Federation.

There are successful examples of adaptation of the TCCS leadership to the systems of military medicine in a number of other countries: England, France, Israel, Poland. At the same time, in the Israeli army, the categories of medical workers are similar to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Also, Israel is one of the few states with a developed system of civil and military health care that recognizes Russian-style medical diplomas.

Polytrauma care concept


For a more holistic understanding of the TCCS leadership, we will briefly analyze the concept within which it is built.

The concept of polytrauma care is international and unified for civilian and military healthcare. The principles of intensive care, resuscitation and emergency surgery are widely implemented in it.

The concept is conditionally divided into two parts: the first part - providing assistance at the pre-hospital stage; the second is the provision of assistance at the hospital stage.

The first section contains two main guides in military and civilian versions: International trauma life support (ITLS) and Prehospital trauma life support (PHTLS). The second section contains the main guide - Advanced trauma life support (ATLS), which has general principles of emergency care for polytrauma in hospital with ITLS and PHTLS.

In the ITLS, PHTLS and ATLS guidelines, the principles of resuscitation and intensive care of emergency conditions prevail, there are a number of surgical procedures. The original word of the original translation of the manuals "trauma" has been replaced by "polytrauma" - for a more accurate transmission of the semantic load.

The concept is systematized according to the sections "treatment tactics", "dosage of drugs" in two directions: the first direction - within the prehospital stage, the second direction - between the prehospital and hospital stages. Within the framework of the ITLS leadership, a number of programs of different levels of study are presented. The presence of related ATLS and ITLS courses, as well as military versions of the ITLS, PHTLS and ATLS manuals, is indicative.

On the basis of the general fundamental guidelines of ITLS and PHTLS and their military versions, a large number of private guidelines (manuals) have been developed, including TCCS. For all categories of medical workers, military, emergency services, training methods are presented, depending on their level of training, indicating the algorithm of actions, the required set of tools, medicines and their dosages. These guidelines are integrated into the military and civilian health care system. They are regularly updated and systematized within the prehospital and hospital stages.

Elements of the concept of rendering assistance in polytrauma are used in the civil health care of the Russian Federation - in the system of trauma centers and sanitary aviation.

From this analysis of the concept, the conclusion follows: TCCS is an entry-level guide in the structure of guides of this concept. For the successful application of the concept at the prehospital stage, it is required to apply military versions of ITLS, PHTLS, ATLS and a number of specialized evacuation courses (ЕМS SAFETY, TNATC, TPATC, CCEMTP, etc.).

Special operations medicine


Special operations medicine is a comprehensive medical support for groups and larger special forces units at the pre-hospital stage when they perform combat missions. Special operations medicine includes a number of courses of medical disciplines:

- anesthesiology and resuscitation with a course of intensive care;

- transfusiology;

- elements of emergency and outpatient surgery, traumatology, a course of actual dental procedures;

- a course of infectious diseases;

- actual military hygiene and epidemiology;

- special physiology in relation to the activities of special forces;

- course of actual psychology and psychiatry;

- a course in sports medicine.

More detailed content of the subject "Special Operations Medicine" and the latest trends can be found in the specialized edition focused on the US MTR.

It follows from the brief description that the term “special operations medicine” is broader and more specialized than the term “tactical medicine” (and its actual content is the TCCS manual).

It follows from the list of tasks of medical workers in special operations indicated in the previous article that TCCS does not solve all the problems of special operations medicine. That is, the terms “special operations medicine” and “tactical medicine” are not identical to each other.

Conclusion


Tactical medicine is a rapidly developing area. The training of military personnel, junior and middle medical personnel according to the TM methods in the Specialized Forces is an issue that has either already been resolved or will be resolved in the near future.

The main discourse of TM development in SPN: will the adaptation and application of the TCCS (Tactical Сombat Сasualty Сare) manual develop systematically (within the framework of the Federal standards of medical care in the Russian Federation and the concept of care for polytrauma)? Or will TM develop as a separate branch of medicine?

Elements of the concept of polytrauma care are used in the Russian Federation in the system of trauma centers and medical aviation and continue to develop. The use of advanced resuscitation and surgical teams in the prehospital level within the framework of this concept is regulated in foreign sources of military medicine. Advanced resuscitation and surgical teams are the forces and means of the hospital level, which are used to strengthen the pre-hospital level for a limited period of time to perform specific tasks.

The main problem of special operations medicine in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation at the moment is the preparation of the medical staff of the Special Forces to work in the specified personnel niches:

1. Unit doctor: a medical officer is located directly in the combat formations of the Special Forces, including performing the function of an instructor in military medical training.

2. The doctor of the primary medical center at the prehospital stage.

3. Doctor of the tactical evacuation link: doctor-operator of the resuscitation and evacuation module based on a car / armored vehicle / helicopter.

4. Doctor of the admission / anti-shock department of the primary field hospital.

5. Doctor of the search and rescue group.

The program for the training of a doctor of special education for the specified personnel niches can be implemented either by successively completing additional courses in the system of postgraduate education, or by separating a separate VUS and training in the system of postgraduate education. Both options have both positive and negative sides. The basis of the result is the content of the training program for a specialist in special medicine. The doctor is a fundamental element of special operations medicine.

All information for this article is obtained from open sources.


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  1. tasha
    tasha 12 August 2021 15: 19
    +5
    An important topic. Field medicine in the US Armed Forces is at a very high level, and not only at the level of special forces. The sanitary training of a simple soldier of the ground forces has been put on the conveyor belt, the methods are simple and affordable.
    Most likely I will not get there already, for a long time the topic of the article has been worn in my head. In the US Army, simple methods of memorizing various behavioral skills in combat are very actively used.
    1. tasha
      tasha 12 August 2021 15: 50
      +2
      For example, such cards with the principles of the US Marine Corps General, nicknamed "Reservoir Dog", were carried by the Americans in Iraq. Is it clear and accessible, obviously adjusted for the level of education? (well tuuupyeee (s) M. Zadornov? !!!?)

      I leave the idea of ​​the article to the VO staff authors. Really interesting topic.
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 12 August 2021 16: 12
        +3
        Quote: tasha
        Here, for example, are such cards with the principles of the General of the United States Marine Corps.

        Thanks. But why? For giving without translation? Or, sir, do you think that everybody speaks English? For example, I stopped learning German 52 years ago.
        1. tasha
          tasha 12 August 2021 16: 14
          +1
          I leave the idea of ​​the article to the VO staff authors. Really interesting topic.
          Sorry, translating the principles and interpreting them is a very difficult task. Terminology, slang and all that ... hi
          For example, the Guardian Angel in the understanding of the general of the Marines is an airplane or drone that is ready to provide support.
        2. tasha
          tasha 12 August 2021 16: 34
          +3
          This is already from the field of military jokes, I will not adapt machine translation. But even so funny ...

          United States Marine Corps regulations:
          1. Be polite to everyone, not friendly to anyone.
          2. Make the decision to be aggressive enough, fast enough.
          3. Make a plan.
          4. Have a backup plan because the first one probably won't work.
          5. Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet. Even your friends.
          6. Do not engage in a firefight with a pistol whose caliber does not start with the number “4”.
          7. Anything worth filming is worth filming twice. Ammunition is cheap. Life is expensive.
          8. Move away from the attacker. Distance is your friend. (Side and diagonal are preferred.)
          9. Use cover or disguise whenever possible.
          10. If possible, flank the enemy. Protect yours.
          11. Always cheat; always win. The only dishonest fight is the one you lose.
          12. Ten years from now, no one will remember the details of caliber, position or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
          13. If you do not shoot, you must communicate your intention to shoot.

          Navy SEAL rules:
          1. Very cool to look in sunglasses.
          2. Kill all living things within sight.
          3. Adjust the speedometer.
          4. Check your hair in the mirror.

          Rules for the US Army Rangers:
          1. Walk 50 miles with a 75-pound backpack when hungry.
          2. Find people to kill.
          3. Request permission on the radio from the "Superior" for the murder.
          4. Curse bitterly when a mission is interrupted.
          5. Walk 50 miles with a 75 lb backpack during hunger.

          U.S. Army Rules:
          1. Curse bitterly when you receive an operational order.
          2. Make sure there are extra cartridges and extra coffee.
          3. Swear bitterly.
          4. Swear bitterly.
          5. Don't listen to 2nd LT; it might kill you.
          6. Swear bitterly.

          USAF Regulations:
          1. Have a cocktail.
          2. Adjust the temperature in the air conditioner.
          3. Check out what's on HBO.
          4. Ask "what is a firefight?"
          5. Request additional funding from Congress with an amazing Power Point presentation.
          6. Key Congressmen Wine & Dine, invite the leaders of the Department of Defense and Defense Industry.
          7. Get funding, create a new team and collect assets.
          8. Declare assets "strategic" and never deploy them online.
          9. Hurry up to pass the time at 13:45.
          10. Make sure the base is as far away from the conflict site as possible, but close enough to be tax-exempt.

          US Navy regulations:
          1. Go to the sea.
          2. Drink coffee.
          3. Deploy the Marines
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 12 August 2021 17: 40
            0
            US Air Force rules are such a joke! good
          2. Aag
            Aag 13 August 2021 20: 33
            0
            Quote: tasha
            This is already from the field of military jokes, I will not adapt machine translation. But even so funny ...

            United States Marine Corps regulations:
            1. Be polite to everyone, not friendly to anyone.
            2. Make the decision to be aggressive enough, fast enough.
            3. Make a plan.
            4. Have a backup plan because the first one probably won't work.
            5. Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet. Even your friends.
            6. Do not engage in a firefight with a pistol whose caliber does not start with the number “4”.
            7. Anything worth filming is worth filming twice. Ammunition is cheap. Life is expensive.
            8. Move away from the attacker. Distance is your friend. (Side and diagonal are preferred.)
            9. Use cover or disguise whenever possible.
            10. If possible, flank the enemy. Protect yours.
            11. Always cheat; always win. The only dishonest fight is the one you lose.
            12. Ten years from now, no one will remember the details of caliber, position or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
            13. If you do not shoot, you must communicate your intention to shoot.

            Navy SEAL rules:
            1. Very cool to look in sunglasses.
            2. Kill all living things within sight.
            3. Adjust the speedometer.
            4. Check your hair in the mirror.

            Rules for the US Army Rangers:
            1. Walk 50 miles with a 75-pound backpack when hungry.
            2. Find people to kill.
            3. Request permission on the radio from the "Superior" for the murder.
            4. Curse bitterly when a mission is interrupted.
            5. Walk 50 miles with a 75 lb backpack during hunger.

            U.S. Army Rules:
            1. Curse bitterly when you receive an operational order.
            2. Make sure there are extra cartridges and extra coffee.
            3. Swear bitterly.
            4. Swear bitterly.
            5. Don't listen to 2nd LT; it might kill you.
            6. Swear bitterly.

            USAF Regulations:
            1. Have a cocktail.
            2. Adjust the temperature in the air conditioner.
            3. Check out what's on HBO.
            4. Ask "what is a firefight?"
            5. Request additional funding from Congress with an amazing Power Point presentation.
            6. Key Congressmen Wine & Dine, invite the leaders of the Department of Defense and Defense Industry.
            7. Get funding, create a new team and collect assets.
            8. Declare assets "strategic" and never deploy them online.
            9. Hurry up to pass the time at 13:45.
            10. Make sure the base is as far away from the conflict site as possible, but close enough to be tax-exempt.

            US Navy regulations:
            1. Go to the sea.
            2. Drink coffee.
            3. Deploy the Marines

            I don't smoke dope ...
            You troll, or make an excuse
            Believe me, I did not want to offend in any way.
            Either the topic is for a very narrow circle, or I'm not at all in the subject ... Although by no means (!), - even in the Strategic Missile Forces, having an enemy thousands of kilometers away, they often had to deal with severely insufficient honey. ensuring the fulfillment of the combat mission (carrying the OBD (combat alert)).
            By the way, IMHO, - the authors of the article have already in the text of the article laid some misunderstandings for a wide range of people, - I consider it necessary to give a decoding of abbreviations. To fill in bunches of capital letters, indices ... Perhaps, everyone who served in his environment can explain himself with letters, numbers, well, and, for a bunch of words, -matter, and everything will be clear ... But, here it seems, is it calculated for the general public?
            1. DR-MED
              14 August 2021 00: 29
              +1
              Thank you for your question. The question is expected. The format of the article does not allow overloading with repetitions of the same phrases. At the beginning of the text, we tried to give all the definitions of terms and abbreviations. English-language terms are described in detail in their specific analysis.
              1. Aag
                Aag 14 August 2021 09: 57
                +1
                Quote: DR - MED
                Thank you for your question. The question is expected. The format of the article does not allow overloading with repetitions of the same phrases. At the beginning of the text, we tried to give all the definitions of terms and abbreviations. English-language terms are described in detail in their specific analysis.

                Thank you. I agree with you ... you, the authors, seem to have done everything they could (in terms of writing the article). They did it wonderfully, even it is interesting for a non-specialist to read. But, apparently, you need to be closer to the topic in order to fully appreciate your work. hi
                1. Aag
                  Aag 14 August 2021 18: 15
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                  Quote: AAG
                  Quote: DR - MED
                  Thank you for your question. The question is expected. The format of the article does not allow overloading with repetitions of the same phrases. At the beginning of the text, we tried to give all the definitions of terms and abbreviations. English-language terms are described in detail in their specific analysis.

                  Thank you. I agree with you ... you, the authors, seem to have done everything they could (in terms of writing the article). They did it wonderfully, even it is interesting for a non-specialist to read. But, apparently, you need to be closer to the topic in order to fully appreciate your work. hi

                  I suspect that the "plus" (I am not chasing after them) from the authors ... I repeat, thanks for the article, a lot, due to the specifics, is not clear. I have complaints about honey. service (90s, 2000s ...) ... And more often at the household, off-duty level ...
                  I realize that the topic is special ...,
                  But, indeed, several times the doctors themselves had to be brought to their senses, they float at the sight of blood (in fairness, these are the wives of the right people, attached to "free" positions ...
    2. sso-xnumx
      sso-xnumx 12 August 2021 21: 46
      -1
      Yes of the braid, but crap is it useless if they really do not know how to fight ???????
  2. tasha
    tasha 12 August 2021 16: 02
    +1
    At one time he was puzzled by the question of the use of blood substitutes on the battlefield in various armies. Does anyone have any information about when they started using them in the armies of the world?
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 12 August 2021 16: 17
      +3
      At one time he was puzzled by the question of the use of blood substitutes on the battlefield in various armies. Does anyone have any information about when they started using them in the armies of the world?

      In the west - from the late 20s. During World War II, they were already actively used on the battlefield.
      At this time, we were administering solutions intramuscularly! wassat

      1. tasha
        tasha 12 August 2021 16: 21
        +1
        Yes, Yuri. And the further you dig into this topic, the sadder ... It seems that (I'm not sure) serious medical officials were against the use of blood substitutes. This issue requires serious research ...
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 12 August 2021 16: 35
          +3
          Yes, Yuri. And the further you dig into this topic, the sadder ... It seems that (I'm not sure) serious medical officials were against the use of blood substitutes. This issue requires serious research ...

          Not certainly in that way. It was believed that the best blood substitute is blood.
          The importance of rapid volumetric replacement of fluid in the vascular bed in hemorrhagic shock became clear after the results of the studies of German "specialists" came to us.
          Like Dr. Mengele. wink
          1. tasha
            tasha 12 August 2021 16: 39
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            It was believed that the best blood substitute is blood

            Exactly. Some medical authorities believed that. But, you see, what difference does it make for a wounded soldier on the front line? Need to compensate for the blood loss, but at least ... saline? You, as Arzt, know more. hi
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 12 August 2021 16: 59
              +1
              Exactly. Some medical authorities believed that.

              Are you talking about the "wrecking role" of the Vishnevskys in the history of Soviet medicine? laughing
              1. tasha
                tasha 12 August 2021 17: 16
                0
                I, Yuri, out of the corner of my ear heard somewhere, read somewhere. But this little was enough for me. A very unpleasant aftertaste ... sad
                1. Doctor
                  Doctor 12 August 2021 17: 57
                  +2
                  I, Yuri, out of the corner of my ear heard somewhere, read somewhere. But this little was enough for me. A very unpleasant aftertaste ...

                  Understand. And in part, I share your opinion.
                  But much there is far-fetched.
                  Vishnevsky's ointment perfectly heals phlegmon. You just don't have to stick it into an open wound.
                  Nobody tried to kill the Queen on purpose. But this is often the case with high-ranking officials.
                  Therefore, when Yangel had a stomach ache, he went out into the street, dialed 03 from a phone booth, and went to a regular hospital, where an ordinary surgeon cut out his usual appendix. And then he sent him to the general ward, where an ordinary, simple locksmith Yangel had a great time with ordinary, simple guys, beating them at chess. laughing
                  1. sso-xnumx
                    sso-xnumx 12 August 2021 21: 28
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                    If you don't know, don't say that! Vishnevsky's balsamic liniment was just intended for packing the wound and the tampon was changed every 3-4 days. Gave excellent wound healing at the stages of medical evacuation.
                    1. Adrey
                      Adrey 12 August 2021 21: 49
                      +1
                      The most accurate definition of this drug at the present time is "wheel ointment" (solid oil).
                      Now there are a lot of more effective drugs.
                    2. Doctor
                      Doctor 12 August 2021 22: 46
                      +1
                      If you don't know, don't say that! Vishnevsky's balsamic liniment was just intended for packing the wound and the tampon was changed every 3-4 days. Gave excellent wound healing at the stages of medical evacuation.

                      And I do not argue. One of the most popular ointments in WWII. And I used the regiment in the first-aid post with ichthyol.
                      But now it is practically not used for open wounds.
                  2. orcinus
                    orcinus 14 August 2021 11: 15
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                    The stomach ached not in Yangel, but in Petrovsky, then the Minister of Health) And Karaulov's "great" opinion, about the fact that Vishnevsky ruined the Queen, was still a bike. It is unknown to Karaulov who has spoken about the tumor and bleeding, which Vishnevsky was unable to stop.
                2. DR-MED
                  12 August 2021 18: 02
                  0
                  I will interfere in your discussion, 70 years have passed since the application of Vishnevsky's principles. The means and methods of resuscitation and surgery have changed somewhat during this time both in the world and in our country.
                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor 12 August 2021 19: 14
                    +1
                    I will interfere in your discussion, 70 years have passed since the application of Vishnevsky's principles. The means and methods of resuscitation and surgery have changed somewhat during this time both in the world and in our country.

                    This is not the point. The article "Military field medicine for partisans and medical genocide in the USSR" is circulating on the Internet. There, the first part is just on your topic, the second is about the pest doctors of the USSR.
                    1. sso-xnumx
                      sso-xnumx 12 August 2021 21: 31
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                      Well, let's all say in unison that the healthcare system according to Semashko, which still works in Cuba, and is recognized as one of the best even in the United States, in the USSR, and then in the Russian Federation did not work ...
                      1. Doctor
                        Doctor 12 August 2021 22: 50
                        +1
                        Well, let's all say in unison that the healthcare system according to Semashko, which still works in Cuba, and is recognized as one of the best even in the United States, in the USSR, and then in the Russian Federation did not work ...

                        Yes, a great system, I do not argue. We discuss certain points, in particular the problems with early infusion in shock. You wrote it right below - there was no possibility. But the pathophysiology of shock was also flawed.
                    2. tarkhil
                      tarkhil 12 December 2022 11: 34
                      0
                      The first part is wrecking, the second part is wrecking, and so ok
            2. Doctor
              Doctor 12 August 2021 18: 19
              +1
              But, you see, what difference does it make for a wounded soldier on the front line? Need to compensate for the blood loss, but at least ... saline? You, as Arzt, know more.

              We know this now. And then the neurogenic nature of shock prevailed.
              Details - in the 3rd volume "The experience of Soviet medicine in the Great Patriotic War 1941-1945."

              "Unlike shock, with blood loss as a result of exsanguination, acute oxygen starvation of the centers of the medulla oblongata and cardiac ganglia occurs, and collapse develops."

              We already knew about the role of red blood cells in oxygen transport, and hypoxia due to their deficiency was considered the cause of shock. Therefore, it was the blood that was sought to be transfused. Even the carotid artery was fucked.

              Very widely used during the war anti-shock fluid No. 3 Popov, consisting of a 15% glucose solution and 10% solution
              alcohol, sodium chloride and soda. Observations by I.M.Borisenko-Mitlash
              showed that the infusion of liquid No. 3 Popov is especially effective in
              traumatic shock and exsanguination as an additional
              measures for blood transfusion.

              Transfusion of all alcoholic solutions in shock gives a quick and
              clear, but, unfortunately, often short-term effect. Necessary
              always combine their infusion with a blood transfusion.

              1. DR-MED
                12 August 2021 18: 30
                +1
                For that time, these were advanced tools and methods that helped in specific conditions. Transfusion of blood components is still not the easiest and safest manipulation. And the 40s and even more so.
                1. Doctor
                  Doctor 12 August 2021 18: 41
                  +1
                  For that time, these were advanced tools and methods that helped in specific conditions. Transfusion of blood components is still not the easiest and safest manipulation. And the 40s and even more so.

                  The main one was the lack of understanding of the nature of the shock. Therefore, instead of starting from the BMP to pour saline in a stream, they were dragged to the DMF, where the transfusion was started.
                  1. DR-MED
                    12 August 2021 18: 47
                    +1
                    As a result, from what they left, they returned to that. Whole blood is considered to be the most effective blood transfusion at the moment. And saline solutions and colloids are all limitedly effective and cannot replace any component of the blood.
                    1. Doctor
                      Doctor 12 August 2021 18: 55
                      +2
                      Whole blood is considered to be the most effective blood transfusion at the moment.

                      Try to say that to Zhiburt. laughing

                      And saline solutions and colloids are all limitedly effective and cannot replace any component of the blood.

                      It's true. But blood loss replenishment in shock begins with them. I hope you are not calling for the shedding of blood or its components on the battlefield? feel
                      1. DR-MED
                        12 August 2021 19: 29
                        +1
                        We are not calling for anything. There are algorithms for reimbursing blood loss, in which most types of infusion-transfusion solutions and components are present. In our country, it is not prohibited to transfuse blood components before surgery, if there are clear indications.
                      2. Doctor
                        Doctor 12 August 2021 20: 09
                        +2
                        We are not calling for anything. There are algorithms for reimbursing blood loss, in which most types of infusion-transfusion solutions and components are present. In our country, it is not prohibited to transfuse blood components before surgery, if there are clear indications.

                        Yes, not algorithms, but a textbook on military field surgery, edited by E.K. Humanenko.
                        Chapter 7. Bleeding and blood loss. Infusion-transfusion therapy. Blood collection and transfusion.
                        Table 7.2. The content of infusion-transfusion therapy for acute blood loss in the wounded (on the first day after injury).



                        Do you see at what point blood components begin (namely, components, not whole blood)?
                        With blood loss of more than 2 liters.
                        But BEFORE THIS you must pour 3-4 liters of crystalloids and 1,5 liters of colloids.
                        That is why the Americans carry bags with fiz from 1 to 3 liters on the battlefield. And blood is not taken at all, this is already at the next stages of evacuation.
                      3. DR-MED
                        14 August 2021 01: 00
                        0
                        I studied your comment. Thanks for the examples. At the moment, the most relevant information on infusion and blood transfusion is contained in the Resuscitation manuals. They are regularly updated and are universal for both civil and military medicine.
                      4. Doctor
                        Doctor 14 August 2021 09: 28
                        0
                        I studied your comment. Thanks for the examples. At the moment, the most relevant information on infusion and blood transfusion is contained in the Resuscitation manuals. They are regularly updated and are universal for both civil and military medicine.

                        It's the same there. Infusion therapy for hemorrhagic shock begins with crystalloid solutions. Liter 2 jet. Even if there is blood.
                      5. orcinus
                        orcinus 14 August 2021 11: 11
                        0
                        To me alone it "seemed" that the author "slightly" does not see the difference between hemorrhagic and traumatic shock?
                  2. sso-xnumx
                    sso-xnumx 12 August 2021 21: 37
                    +1
                    During the Second World War there was no possibility of intravenous infusion of blood substitutes into the BCH !!! Neither the blood substitutes themselves, nor the transfusion systems, (look in the tyrnet how they looked). This procedure was available only in the MedSanBat Division.
                    1. Doctor
                      Doctor 12 August 2021 22: 38
                      +1
                      During the Second World War there was no possibility of intravenous infusion of blood substitutes into the BCH !!! Neither the blood substitutes themselves, nor the transfusion systems, (look in the tyrnet how they looked). This procedure was available only in the MedSanBat Division.

                      That's right.
      2. tarkhil
        tarkhil 12 December 2022 11: 33
        0
        Sorry, what was that? In the photo - the regiment's first-aid post. "Inturimuscularly" solutions have not been administered by anyone and never
  3. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 12 August 2021 17: 42
    +1
    A very interesting topic, thanks to the author. Something is not visible to the Israeli "friends" of Russia and especially educated "specialists of special special forces" who believe that the Russian Special Forces do not need trained doctors with modern equipment in combat conditions.
    1. DR-MED
      12 August 2021 18: 04
      0
      Thank you, we have a team of authors.
      1. lucul
        lucul 12 August 2021 19: 00
        +1
        Thank you, we have a team of authors

        And this is good, you bring up the necessary topic.
  4. Dmitry Ivanov_8
    Dmitry Ivanov_8 12 August 2021 17: 58
    0
    3 weeks ago they called from our military commissar. They said that I had to register with them (I have been standing for 20 years in Perm, and no one remembered about it, although I live in Berezniki.). And now, for the sake of a couple of dies on my military card, I have to cut to Perm. According to VUS - a doctor, cat B. Nafig I gave them up altogether.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 12 August 2021 18: 47
      +1
      According to VUS - a doctor, cat B. Nafig, I gave them up altogether.

      Get ready. It's only the beginning. wink

      When I arrived at my first hospital after my residency at the academy, the head of the hospital greeted me with the words: "I don't care what kind of specialist you are, I am interested in two things - what guidelines do you use and how many times you pull yourself up." laughing
    2. sso-xnumx
      sso-xnumx 12 August 2021 21: 39
      0
      Yes, just in case. In general, it is stupid for statistics and a report to the RF Ministry of Defense. In general, for myself, it's stupid to neigh ............
  5. ccsr
    ccsr 12 August 2021 21: 35
    -3
    The main problem of special operations medicine in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation at the moment is the preparation of the medical staff of the Special Forces to work in the specified personnel niches:

    1. Doctor of the unit: the doctor-officer is directly in the combat formations of the special forces, including performing the function of an instructor in military medical training.

    The authors apparently still do not understand that there are no combat formations of the Special Forces of the Ministry of Defense, if only because these are not combat units, but combat support units. I think it's time for them to go through at least the simplest educational program with those doctors who served in the special forces of the GRU, and who can explain to them on their fingers that it would never occur to the commander of a brigade (detachment, company) of the special forces to include a doctor in the group. I already explained the reasons for this in the previous article, but not in the horse feed, as it turned out. Especially for the authors, I repeat that with the staffing of the Soviet special forces brigade (four-detachment) about 1200 servicemen, medical officers there were several people, no more than fingers on one hand, or a little more.
    And that's why it's ridiculous to talk seriously about including the officer's doctor in the group - they are not available even for the groups of the first stage. And what is the use of a doctor in a group if he does not know how to conduct reconnaissance or sabotage, and his physical training is very different from the training of intelligence officers. I would like to remind the authors of the article that spetsnaz groups do not engage in combat at all, because if this has to be done, then their mission has failed, and they have been discovered.
    As for the wounded spetsnaz man, according to the unwritten spetsnaz code, he is obliged to commit suicide if he does not want the entire group to die because of him. This is the harsh truth of life, which is why there will be no doctor in the special forces group of the Ministry of Defense in the coming years. It is a pity that the authors got too carried away with fantasy, citing examples from the medical publications of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and have no idea at all how the MTR brigades in the Ministry of Defense operate. As they say
    It’s not possible to harness one cart
    Horse and trembling doe

    It will be good if the authors understand some of the differences in the actions of the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Federal Penitentiary Service, the FSB and the Ministry of Defense, so that their proposals are somehow tied to reality.
    1. DR-MED
      12 August 2021 23: 04
      0
      That is, that each Ministry and Department needs a doctor with a separate training, a conditional therapist, whose training program should differ depending on which department he is attending in the Special Purpose Department?
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 13 August 2021 10: 27
        0
        Quote: DR - MED
        That is, that each Ministry and Department needs a doctor with a separate training, a conditional therapist, whose training program should differ depending on which department he is attending in the Special Purpose Department?

        Quite right - every doctor in the structures of the Ministry of Defense is obliged to prepare in the troops strictly under the conditions in which he will have to act at the initial stage of service. I will not say anything about the rest of the power structures - let their bosses puzzle over how best to train doctors for the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the Federal Penitentiary Service.

        Quote: DR - MED
        What specifically does not suit yours, the staff of the conditional brigade?

        Why doesn't it suit me? On the contrary, it is the brigade structure of special forces units that is most optimal for modern military conflicts, and it just does not provide for even two dozen military medical officers. How are you going to include doctors in reconnaissance groups, if they are not there even for the first-order groups? And I'm not even talking about the rest of the training of such doctors.
        Quote: DR - MED
        Where did you find the word "brigade" in the text? By the way, there is a specific guide
        US Army,

        Have you written your revelations for the US Army? Then excuse me, I thought we were talking about the Russian special forces, I tried to draw your "theory" to the realities of army life, but nothing happened, in particular for the Special Forces of the Ministry of Defense.
        Quote: DR - MED
        It means that the foreign leadership will eliminate you, but the presence of a doctor is not.

        Why such a conclusion, it is interesting to know? We have a different army, different tasks, so do not draw your conclusions by the ears.
        Quote: DR - MED
        You criticize, and what can you suggest on this issue?

        Personally, I have already suggested to you - find a retired medical officer from the Special Forces brigade, consult with him, and he will point out to you in detail all your mistakes in the text of this publication.


        Quote: sevtrash
        The impression is that some student work of some military medical academy was written on a literature review and it was also posted here.

        Strange, but I also got the impression that this work has nothing to do with the special forces units of the Ministry of Defense at all, because the authors of the article do not even imagine how the special forces groups work during hostilities. But we decided that their universal technique is suitable for all occasions, which in itself is funny ...
        1. DR-MED
          13 August 2021 13: 26
          0
          You judge in terms of the Cold War. You don't like the article, okay, but what can you suggest yourself?
        2. DR-MED
          14 August 2021 00: 55
          0
          You have an interesting opinion and questions. I got the impression that you are taking as a standard the staff of the GRU brigade from the times of the USSR in the 80s. A state is a value that changes quantitatively and qualitatively over time. Many special forces units
          have seriously changed the staffing structure.
          As for the doctor, you are right about something. Yes, there are faculties of marine medicine, flight, landing, etc.
          If about SPN - my opinion, for a doctor the tasks in the specialty, in different ministries and departments, plus / minus are the same. And the specifics of combat training can be mastered at the place of service.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 14 August 2021 10: 04
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            Quote: DR - MED
            You have an interesting opinion and questions. I got the impression that you are taking as a standard the staff of the GRU brigade from the times of the USSR in the 80s.

            This is a staff structure scientifically grounded from a military point of view, moreover, it has been tested more than once during exercises, including military operations in Afghanistan. I don’t know what doesn’t suit you from the modern point of view. The equipment and weapons have changed, but the tasks and training could not radically change. By the way, in the 80s the Soviet Army was much more powerful than the modern Russian - you probably cannot understand this.

            Quote: DR - MED
            If about SPN - my opinion, for a doctor the tasks in the specialty, in different ministries and departments, plus / minus are the same.

            Here you are mistaken - it is one thing to disperse the mutinous prisoners, having reanimobiles outside the zone, and another thing to be one and a half to two thousand kilometers from the location of your troops and carry out combat missions in a limited composition in hostile territory.
            Quote: DR - MED
            And the specifics of combat training can be mastered at the place of service.

            It would be better if you dwelled on this in more detail - perhaps then your work was of great value for doctors serving in special forces units, and did not do a review article, which describes your ideas about special forces doctors in a too generalized way.
    2. DR-MED
      12 August 2021 23: 06
      0
      What specifically does not suit yours, the staff of the conditional brigade?
    3. DR-MED
      12 August 2021 23: 14
      0
      Where did you find the word "brigade" in the text? By the way, there is a specific guide
      The US Army, which is used and quite common in the vastness of the Motherland.
      It means that the foreign leadership will eliminate you, but the presence of a doctor is not.
      I wonder why?
      You criticize, and what can you suggest on this issue?
  6. sevtrash
    sevtrash 13 August 2021 08: 49
    +1
    The impression is that some student work of some military medical academy was written on a literature review and it was also posted here. In fact, it is already clear that at present, hostilities are being conducted in the form of special operations (for countries that can afford professional staff medical support) and they need to adapt the organization of medical care. In the same way, it is clear that improving the provision of medical care for polytrauma (taking into account the "golden" first seconds, minutes, hours, new methods, drugs) will affect the provision of assistance on the battlefield, which should be taken into account in the development of new tactical and strategic development of military medicine.
    Routine, as it were. New knowledge and experience appear, they must be taken into account and adapted to work.
    1. DR-MED
      13 August 2021 09: 47
      0
      As far as medicine is concerned, this has been clear for 25 years already. But even in the comments, not everyone agrees with this.
  7. orcinus
    orcinus 13 August 2021 15: 31
    +2
    Thank you for the article! And now the thesis:
    1. What does the author mean by the term "prehospital stage" and "primary medical center"?
    2. Where, according to the author, the so-called. "primary medical center" of the SPN brigade (what type of assistance is provided), who works in it and the distance to the next stage of evacuation. Based on the previous question: what, according to the author, is the next stage of evacuation?
    3. What is the distance from the "cover zone" to the "evacuation zone" based on the tactical tasks of the SPN subunits?
    4. Does the author know the depth of action of the SPN units, depending on their specifics and the corresponding answer to question # 2?
    5. The number of special medical evacuation equipment of the conditional enemy in the European theater of operations (the number of brigades, the number of equipped helicopters, aircraft, the number of l / s for working on this equipment) and did the author compare it with conditionally "our" capabilities and distances?
    5. Does the author know the magnitude of the losses of the graduates of the Military Medical Academy of the early 90s in the PChV after they were "successfully" stuck in almost every group / company?
    6. Did the author serve in military units of the Armed Forces?
    7. Links to statistics on the low level of training of medical officers, distributed in the units of the SPN (articles in magazines, speeches at conferences, reports from open access);
    8. A person with what education, according to the author, should, based on the proposed concept, intubate and conduct blood transfusions at the pre-hospital stage? Does the author have personal, hands-on experience with out-of-OR / MA&R intubation without the assistance of an anesthetist / paramedic?
    9. What surgical procedures are proposed to be carried out at the prehospital stage? Again, a person with what education? Volume?
    10. Based on the proposed blood transfusion and "surgery", what is the size and approximate completeness of the set of the SPN group soldier carried with him (at least the weight) and, in this regard, the total weight of the weapons and equipment carried with him? Landing dimensions (considering the maximum weight of a paratrooper for modern parachute systems)?
    11. Does the author know the approximate standards for the duration in days of exits of the SPN groups and, in this regard, what systems are offered for storing transfusion funds?
    12. Approximate size of the SPN group and how many people provide assistance to one wounded person in the shelter zone? How does this affect group firepower when fighting? How many people from the SPN group will continue to fight if they provide assistance to at least 2 wounded, and how many will be involved in providing assistance directly?
    13. Tasks, composition and radius of action from the stage of specialized assistance for US units and for us? After how long, in the conditions of hostilities in the same middle lane, will a wounded American fighter and ours be on the operating table?)
    1. DR-MED
      13 August 2021 23: 55
      0
      Thank you for your interesting questions. The authors will gladly answer all questions regarding the concept in the next article, which is already in preparation. Some of the answers you can find in our first article published in this journal "Draft program for the training of medical personnel of combat units."
      This work applies to special forces units.
      With regard to the use of doctors on the battlefield during the first campaign in the Chechen Republic, we write, taking into account the positive experience indicated in this source - "A doctor of the Airborne Forces should be able to work even under heavy fire." Author Milyutin I.A.
      About self-citation, in the list of references. This is a prerequisite for the publication of an article in this journal - to indicate to the editor the source of citations taken from other works.
      1. orcinus
        orcinus 14 August 2021 00: 59
        0
        And, if possible, I would like a short working biography of the authors. Are they all professional doctors? Thank you!
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 14 August 2021 10: 14
        0
        Quote: DR - MED
        This work applies to special forces units.
        With regard to the use of doctors on the battlefield during the first campaign in the Chechen Republic, we write, taking into account the positive experience indicated in this source - "A doctor of the Airborne Forces should be able to work even under heavy fire." Author Milyutin I.A.

        Strange, but you do not seem to understand how the special forces units differ from the airborne forces, since you cite the opinion of I.A. Milyutin. Even in terms of the number of military personnel thrown out, these are contingents of military personnel that are incomparable in number. And if the regiment of the Airborne Forces is completely thrown out, then doctors are needed there as part of the regular structure. But in the special forces there are no doctors to be thrown out in groups, although they all undergo special training, and at their request they can make training jumps, at least in order to receive preferential length of service and additional cash payments.
  8. saygon66
    saygon66 13 August 2021 18: 01
    +2
    - Well, here it is again - Doctor, doctor, doctor ... That is, a specialist with a higher medical education! Well this is how much they need to prepare - five years of medical school, at least! And the lowest level - in platoons / companies, where can I get it? And in the department, at least one fighter must think more in medicine than the others ... And then it is still necessary to live to see the doctor ...
    1. DR-MED
      13 August 2021 23: 59
      0
      Thank you for your comment. Doctor to study for at least 6 years, paramedic 4, honey brother 3. Training of medical workers does not negate the training of all personnel. Rather, it complements and enhances the level of assistance provided by the entire unit.
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 16 August 2021 14: 58
        +1
        - During service (2 and 3 years, with a break of 10 years wink ) I can't remember a case when the rank and file were given at least the basics of medical training ... or pharmacology (at least at the household level).
        - "There are no sick soldiers ... A fighter is either alive or not ...) (S) It upsets it immensely ...