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Afghanistan: you can't leave to stay

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Afghanistan: you can't leave to stay

Khaki investor



The US is leaving Afghanistan, spending about two trillion dollars on the "democratization" of the country. On the Internet, they are joking that with this money it would be possible to build a decent house for every Afghan, buy a car, several heads of cattle, and train all the Taliban in Oxford, Harvard and Massachusetts.

Only the Taliban themselves (the Taliban are a terrorist organization banned in Russia) do not need either one or the other or the third. They need to be left alone - in that Muslim Middle Ages, where they slept for centuries, where women are stoned for treason, men are cut off their throats and hands for “wrong” faith, where pedophilia, bestiality and sodomy are widespread. And the most serious sector of the economy is the production and sale of drugs to the wrong "infidels".

About 140 billion dollars were invested by the Americans in various programs in the country - from educational to training of law enforcement forces, from building all kinds of infrastructure facilities to supporting the emerging "democracy". And now it turns out that all this money was thrown down the drain.

With the departure of khaki investors, the country is before our eyes returning to the dark Middle Ages with its animal morals and bloody traditions (Sultan Erdogan's Afghan intrigue). "Retrained" and armed to the teeth, the army and police scatter at the speed of a doe or surrender to the Taliban in regiments and brigades. "Democratic institutions" are taking shape like houses of cards, and helluva lot of smart and "democratized" people are mercilessly beaten with sticks in the squares.

Back in 2003, the head of the Pentagon, Donald Rumsfeld, arrived in Kabul and cheerfully declared that "the combat part of the operation has been fully and successfully completed." However, the losses of the Yankees began to grow every week, and four years later the number of American troops in Afghanistan had grown to fifty thousand against the original twenty.

Marshall Plan in Afghan


It seemed to the Americans then that they quickly won a military victory, taking full control over the country. However, they did not know what to do next with this defeated country. And by inertia, they followed approximately the same path that the Soviet Union and Great Britain had already "descended" before them.

The "Kremlin elders" wanted to build an Asian model of socialism there. Americans are democracy. The result is known.

Barack Obama, taking into account the experience of his predecessors, vowed to "get involved in building a nation." Then this slogan was picked up by Donald Trump. But it was under Obama that the number of American troops in the "enchanted region" of humanity reached a record high of 100 soldiers. And the brightest American political strategists were mobilized to build a new nation.


Source: defense.gov

For comparison: the global - for the whole of Western Europe, the post-war "Marshall plan" cost America less. However, with the help of this plan, Europe rose from the ruins. And in Afghanistan, billions have been plundered by the greedy and corrupt elite.

The infamous multi-million dollar "industrial park" near Kandahar has remained on paper. The Afghan GOELRO, a global project for the electrification of the country, has failed miserably. Afghans did not even want to maintain greenhouses built by the Americans.

The biggest absurdity was the attempt to build a "democratic state" headed by a popularly elected president, and the attempt to create a strong centralized government in a multi-tribal country.

As a result, the "braces" of medieval obscurantism closed their jaws over all the attributes of the XNUMXst century that the American occupation brought with it. And this obscurantism, according to all the laws of social entropy, will surely spill out beyond the borders of Afghanistan, threatening the relative stability of the nearby regions.


Forward to the past?


So why do these or those nations and peoples so quickly and easily leave the road of civilization and progress immediately after the change of the regime or the termination of the next project of external supervision?

Isn't it time to honestly admit (at least to oneself) that there are nations and peoples in the XNUMXst century, to whom neither money, nor lessons of democracy, nor gifts in the form of infrastructure facilities will ever be used for the future. It's just that the time has not come for them to "grow up" yet. And, most likely, it will never come - as for the Amazon tribes. They already feel good.

And now the main question of the day - what to do with our die-hard "medieval" neighbors?

Introduce new peacekeeping contingents and continue the war with the Taliban all over the world?

Tackle the final solution of the "Afghan issue" by killing several million more Afghans?

Or build a wall like the Mexican one in the south of the United States on the XNUMX-kilometer border with Afghanistan?


These issues need to be tackled comprehensively, and the entire international community, bordering on the "black hole" of humanity called Afghanistan. Of course, the process of “exporting the Middle Ages” should be stopped as much as possible.

It is critically necessary to strengthen the borders by joint efforts, to hang a padlock on them. In solving this difficult issue, it is necessary to “zero out” as much as possible all the inevitable speculations on this topic by all Central Asian elites. And they will do everything possible to participate in the process as little as possible and “squeeze out” preferences from neighbors as much as possible. This is the essence of the East.

Further, it is necessary to decide in principle what to do with the colossal flow of refugees from the zone of "Islamic turbulence". It is necessary to clearly understand that some of these refugees are exactly the same religious fanatics as their persecutors. It's just that the stronger adherents of the Islamic Middle Ages killed and drove out the weaker ones.

The most optimal is the process of their resettlement along the border with their own historical homeland. Refugee men should be recruited en masse to the border service.

Well aware and assessing the danger of their yesterday's enemies, they will jealously guard their new homes. It is possible to attract to service at the borders of the units of the Chechen military police, who have proven themselves well during the peacekeeping operation in Syria.

So isn't it time, finally, to declare a real war on local drug dealers who previously supplied the "white death" to the north in tons?

With this traditional branch of the Afghan economy, an uncompromising war must be waged until it is completely destroyed.

There will be no more money


It is also necessary to zero all investment and economic projects in Afghanistan as much as possible. Not a penny in the Middle Ages zone.

Why pump money there, which will inevitably be plundered by the greedy local elite?

Why build schools with the wind within the walls?

Build greenhouses that will serve as corrals for donkeys, sheep and goats?

Raise factories and hydroelectric power plants, where there will be no one to work?


The answers to all these questions are obvious.

Is it worth starting the Great Silk Road through this territory?

And this question is more likely to China - it is the main beneficiary of the project. Maybe it's not worth it anymore?

So is it worth, in general, building further relations with the Taliban, is there any reason for this?

What constructive can they offer their geopolitical neighbors and humanity in general, besides the export of obscurantism?

And this is only the first set of questions to which fundamental answers must be given to all participants in the settlement process - voluntary and involuntary.

So far, only one thing is self-evident: the Islamic Middle Ages are hopeless from the point of view of exporting all the achievements of civilization and progress to its territory. And no less dangerous from the point of view of the counter export of cave manners, obscurantism and social turbulence. And we have to do something about it.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 12 August 2021 11: 09
    +3
    Here recently in the net a good caricature came across ...

    The amers had a rake race ...
    1. Luminman
      Luminman 12 August 2021 11: 32
      +2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins



      In a few years, a Turkish fez will be hanging on a peg! wink
      1. Hypertension
        Hypertension 12 August 2021 12: 32
        +5
        Quote: Luminman
        In a few years, a Turkish fez will be hanging on a peg!

        Maybe: "good labor camp sanatorium, like Uyghur brother, everyone become a communist, burger capitalist get hit, the great Communist Party of China, bright path Afghanistan!"?
        1. dorz
          dorz 12 August 2021 15: 18
          -3
          What constructive can they offer besides the export of obscurantism?

          Because we have nothing to offer except a pipe, even in the long term. sad
          1. Serg serg
            Serg serg 13 August 2021 00: 13
            +2
            A pipe is better than drugs, isn't it?
        2. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 12 August 2021 15: 20
          +1
          Maybe the author proposed this option with the genocide of the local population
          1. Hypertension
            Hypertension 12 August 2021 20: 50
            0
            If the Chinese enter there, they will probably do it. Alternatives have been tried, but no sense. "There will be no peaceful solution"(with)
            1. Civil
              Civil 13 August 2021 09: 06
              +1
              On this occasion, James Dewey Watson (born April 6, 1928 in Chicago, Illinois, USA), an American biologist, said well. Laureate of the 1962 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine - jointly with Francis Crick and Maurice H. F. Wilkins for the discovery of the structure of the DNA molecule.
              Author of the project for decoding the human genome.
              "Human evolution took place and does not pass evenly throughout the planet."
              Somewhere the intellectual level of specific tribes grew, somewhere more was left of primates.

              Therefore, the main reason for the defeat of the United States, and before that the USSR, is the assumption that the intellectual level of people in the tribes in Afghanistan is equal to the people who formed developed societies in the United States and the USSR. This is deeply wrong. Here are some examples:
              1. In Central Asia, continuous oriental despotism or anarchy at once, people in Asia cannot organize social institutions, due to the weakness of reason, but can only choose a tribal leader.
              2. An example of the next stage of development is the South Caucasus, where the stage of the formation of a nation is taking place among Armenians and Azerbaijanis on the example of hatred for each other. Armenians are already able to form social institutions, they are not real, of course, since they are based on Nazism. Azerbaijanis began to form as a nation, but so far at the stage of development of society in the form of an "enlightened absolute monarchy".
              Etc. Consequently, in Afghanistan, the only option is the scheme of appanage principalities united by the early medieval version of religion. They only understand strength.
              1. dauria
                dauria 13 August 2021 10: 10
                +5
                Somewhere the intellectual level of specific tribes grew, somewhere more was left of primates.


                You still compare the shape of the skull ... There was one such Fuhrer with such ideas. Bullshit. Change babies and give Afghan families to Germans, German families to Afghans.
                The hereditary memory of a tribe is stored not in the genes of a person, but in customs, family structure, morality, religion, and so on. And you can completely change it in a couple of generations completely.
                A generation of Ukrainians has been raised ... a "brotherly" people.
                1. Hypertension
                  Hypertension 13 August 2021 11: 05
                  +3
                  Quote: dauria
                  The hereditary memory of a tribe is stored not in the genes of a person, but in customs, family structure, morality, religion, and so on.

                  You are partly right, but "changing babies" will not work, and therefore the Afghans will pass on their cave mentality to generations for a long time to come. Don't write off genetics either. There are peoples who have no resistance to alcohol and, having drunk, begin to create fierce game. Tuvans, for example. And if a Tuvan is transferred to a European family, then having taken it on his chest, he will also start brawling around the blue shop.
                  You can also remember that insects and some animals have a genetic memory. There is no guarantee that something like that will not be found in a person's DNA ...
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 16 August 2021 16: 16
                    0
                    Quote: Hyperion
                    You are partly right, but "changing babies" will not work, and therefore the Afghans will pass on their cave mentality to generations for a long time to come. Don't write off genetics either.

                    very interesting .. and in Saudi Arabia also "cave mentality"? and in Iran as a caveman with a small admixture of rocketry and nuclear energy?
                    1. Hypertension
                      Hypertension 16 August 2021 20: 23
                      +1
                      What does the CA and Iran have to do with it? These countries are more centralized and have not been in a state of civil war for decades.
                2. paul3390
                  paul3390 14 August 2021 15: 12
                  +4
                  Here is a moot point .. Those same Tsegabonites - how many times did the Soviet government try to re-educate them, trying with all their might to make People out of them? And what about our former Central Asian and Caucasian brothers in reason? And - what? As soon as they stopped beating and handing out nishtyaks, everyone quickly returned to their original level of sub-tribal system. And nothing helped - neither upbringing, nor education, nor the blessings of civilization - one horseradish, the peak of aspirations remained a khatynka with a small garden and a boar in a shed .. Well, or a ram, adjusted for the terrain ..

                  The main mistake of the USSR in the national question was precisely the attempt to drag everyone into a bright future by force. On that and pricked. As it turned out - no, every nation must go its own way. Kicking him in the ass with a tarpaulin is completely pointless. Well, they don't need our vision of a brighter future, leave them all at last alone ..
                  1. de_monSher
                    de_monSher 16 August 2021 16: 25
                    -2
                    And what about our former Central Asian and Caucasian brothers in reason?


                    And who exactly do you mean, about the "pale-faced beacon of civilization", can you specify? .. *)))))
              2. gohomeyanki
                gohomeyanki 13 August 2021 16: 12
                +6
                1. Yes, there are no defeats, everyone who wants to bend them down.
                2. What makes you think that they are backward, and you have progress.
                but. They work 2-4 hours a day.
                b. Not attached to the owner, like you have to walk every day at a certain time, otherwise there will be problems.
                in. They don't work their whole life to have a stone house.
                d. They live environmentally.
                If there are problems, it is not unclear to whom (the police), it is unclear how chosen and appointed. And go to a respected person.
                e. If a thief stole your things from you, you simply cut him off.

                Total you propose: work 8-12 hours, obey the owner, work on a stone house, or incomprehensible trinkets all his life, live in plastic, formaldehyde, study for 10-20 years, not punish the thief / murderer / rapist, but feed his whole life and etc


                Are you making progress ??? maybe something is still going wrong with you. ))
      2. Vadim Kraft
        Vadim Kraft 17 August 2021 14: 16
        0
        The Turks have already announced that they no longer want to control the Kabul airport :)
    2. V1er
      V1er 12 August 2021 18: 48
      +3
      I just don't understand, what does the Greeks have to do with the allusion to Alexander? So he successfully conquered Asia and even after his death and civil war, Bactria and Arachosia held out for a long time until the nomads came.
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 16 August 2021 16: 20
        +2
        Quote: V1er
        until the nomads came.

        and quite successfully trampled the pansher tigers wink
  2. svp67
    svp67 12 August 2021 11: 10
    +1
    In the meantime, the Taliban army has been "replenished" with Mi-35 attack helicopters and pilots, who until recently were in the service of the Afghan government.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 12 August 2021 11: 19
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      "replenished" with Mi-35 attack helicopters and pilots

      Taking into account the level of pilots and servants of the dukhostan, these helicopters will not have to fly. Due to recent events and impending imminent collapse
      The "Islamic State of Afghanistan" every week, the carcasses of the deceased Mi-2010s, recently acquired in 17s, killed by Krivoruk donkey lovers, surface recently:
      1. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 12 August 2021 13: 09
        0
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        every week, recently acquired in 2010s carcasses of the deceased Mi-17s, killed by Krivoruk donkey lovers, emerge:

        And not only them. Recently, an article was published about the shooting by the Taliban of pilots who know how to handle military aircraft, in particular, helicopters. Moscow. August 7. INTERFAX.RU - An Afghan Air Force pilot killed on Saturday in a suburb of Kabul as a result of an attack by Taliban militants https://www.interfax.ru/world/783078
    2. El Barto
      El Barto 12 August 2021 15: 48
      +7
      This is what shows the ridiculousness of the author's reasoning about the "American Marshall Plan for Afghanistan" and the investments plundered there.
      Much to the regret of the Afghan thieves, all the money was stolen and mastered back in the United States, without leaving the cash register
      1. Antonina Ignatenko
        Antonina Ignatenko 12 August 2021 19: 35
        0
        Alexei, yes, the whole article gives the impression of either a zakazukha or a provocation, and an extremely stupid one. The obscurantism of Afghanistan is a direct merit of the United States, which relied on the most reactionary, most backward and radical groups in the fight against the USSR, pumping them up with weapons and turning them into the main force on the territory. And the Americans practiced this approach not only in Afghanistan.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 13 August 2021 13: 33
          +5
          Quote: Antonina Ignatenko
          The obscurantism of Afghanistan is a direct merit of the United States, which relied on the most reactionary, most backward and radical groups in the fight against the USSR, pumping them up with weapons and turning them into the main force on the territory.

          Yes, the United States did not pump up the Taliban - this is not their project. The United States relied first on the "old guard" (Hekmatyar, Rabbani), and then on the new "elite". And both of these projects were thwarted by the Taliban.
          The Taliban are the brainchild of neighboring Pakistan. Who has been an ally of China almost all his life.
      2. Vadim Kraft
        Vadim Kraft 17 August 2021 14: 20
        0
        It's like a train robbery in Chechnya in the 90s, a train with carriages filled with electronic equipment was sent from Dagestan on paper, as a Chechen who watched train robberies told me, "One carriage was for Dudayev's security, they loaded it into their cars and left, giving the go-ahead to Russian journalists. at the beginning of filming the process of the robbery of the train and people gathered from the villages, who were given the same signal, to unload the second carriage with potatoes, and all the other cars were empty ":)
  3. Yrec
    Yrec 12 August 2021 11: 14
    +16
    And what? Let China and Turkey have fun too. Look, Erdogan is already twisting his legs - so he wants to frolic in Afghanistan. And the Chinese think that they will buy everyone there, they are naive. Locals only need a Kalash, cartridges (endless) and the ability to kill someone. Material benefits they do not care, they are already at a higher stage of development wassat
    1. Harry.km
      Harry.km 12 August 2021 16: 51
      0
      Quote: Yrec
      they are already at a higher stage of development


      A very nna, interesting mana thought ... They look at the whole backward world that way ...
    2. dauria
      dauria 13 August 2021 10: 23
      -1
      Material benefits they do not care, they are already at a higher stage of development

      The only question is how much the Chinese will need this territory. The main difficulty there is the lack of roads. Both automobile and railway. Without roads, there are no connections, there is no single country governed from the center. Even the army cannot be transferred to calm down the local leader. If there will be roads, there will be a country. And the Chinese know how to make everyone walk in formation and work.
  4. Xlor
    Xlor 12 August 2021 11: 15
    +1
    You can't say more precisely. It's like that!
  5. lubesky
    lubesky 12 August 2021 11: 22
    +1
    In turn - the following Chinese
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 12 August 2021 11: 58
      +2
      In turn - the following Chinese
      The Chinese can also digest. If they are not interfered with by the entire NATO world, by pumping the Taliban with money, equipment and weapons. How they interfered with us in Afghanistan. This process is not fast, but inevitable.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 12 August 2021 12: 19
        +3
        Will not be overcooked. It will be as always. If only they will populate the territory, cutting out the locals from small to large. Numerical superiority and the most advanced teaching to help them.
        Well, in this case, the naughty man in the world will go no joke and the PRC will declare a boycott by everyone.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 12 August 2021 14: 10
          +1
          If only they will populate the territory, cutting out the locals from small to large.
          I kind of hint at this. More precisely, assimilate. As soon as the same Oirats disappeared, almost Uyghurs, soon Tibetans.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 12 August 2021 15: 40
            +2
            No, colleague, only zero. No one will be able to assimilate these, and not when. hi
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 13 August 2021 09: 06
              +1
              No, colleague, only zero. No one will be able to assimilate these, and not when.
              Still how it will be possible. It's not 3-5 years, but it's easy in a couple of generations. Like American Gypsies: they don't go in camps in wagons. And they don't run around railway stations in tattered clothes with pickpockets and fortune telling.
        2. Antonina Ignatenko
          Antonina Ignatenko 12 August 2021 19: 39
          -1
          Alexander, there are real violent - about five percent, but this is enough to nightmare all the other groups. So you need to cut out a couple of thousand, the rest will quickly figure out what's what. The fact that the West, which is directly responsible for the tragedy of the Middle East as a whole, will stink, do not go to your grandmother. If, of course, by this time there will still be someone who stinks.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 13 August 2021 08: 27
            0
            Children shot at the shuravi, stuck knives at the sleeping people, and exploded with grenades. Complete disregard for the value of human life. Frostbitten people, imprisoned for murder from malice, are recorded in their subcortex, at the level of reflexes. This is not a movie, Bondarchuk is a junior, this is reality. 5% of the sane are there, the rest cannot be reformed.
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 13 August 2021 09: 19
              +2
              Frostbitten people, imprisoned for murder from malice, they have it written in the subcortex, at the level of reflexes. This is not a movie, Bondarchuk is a junior, this is reality. 5% are sane, the rest cannot be reformed.
              During the Tatar-Mongol conquest of this region, the frostbitten "immortal cyborgs" ended very quickly. However, the territory is not completely depopulated. Later, Tamerlane also very lucidly and effectively campaigned the locals for peaceful living. This is, of course, one of the extremes of putting things in order. But it shows that the invincibility and inflexibility of the locals before the invasion from outside is greatly exaggerated. Extremely strong.
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 13 August 2021 15: 14
                -1
                It's not about inflexibility and immortality, it's just that these have a primitive brain. Reflexes and rudiments of civilization live their own and other people's lives, in this world, it is hard and meaningless.
                There are very big doubts about the Tatar-Mongol campaign. Nomads living in a tribal way of life suddenly became imbued with the idea of ​​statehood, united in a huge mass, moreover, united by the most severe discipline (where does it come from the individualists of nomads) and rushed, thousands of miles away, to conquer something there. Absurd, obscenely allogical.
                Well, Tamerlane flattened the Afghan tribes on a general basis, without much enthusiasm. Therefore, they survived, although it was at this time that they could have disappeared. It's just that the mentality of both of them did not differ much.
  6. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 12 August 2021 11: 37
    +7
    About 140 billion dollars were invested by the Americans in various programs in the country - from educational to training of law enforcement, from building all kinds of infrastructure facilities to supporting the emerging "democracy".
    In the Muslim world, this world has never accepted its concept of democracy and "Western democracy", even if the West imposed it by force of arms.
    The Muslim world may be much tougher, but it is more adapted to survival and procreation. And until the West understands this, all their efforts are in vain, the West will sooner accept Islam than the Muslim world "Western democracy".
  7. DenVB
    DenVB 12 August 2021 11: 58
    -8
    Only the Taliban themselves do not need either one or the other, or the third. They need to be left alone - in that Muslim Middle Ages, where they slept for centuries, where women are stoned for treason, men are cut off their throats and hands for “wrong” faith, where pedophilia, bestiality and sodomy are widespread. And the most serious sector of the economy is the production and sale of drugs to the wrong "infidels".

    Well, where do such writers come from?
    1. lubesky
      lubesky 12 August 2021 12: 18
      +1
      Quote: DenVB

      Well, where do such writers come from?

      Do you publish yourself? Just wondering what is your weight and authority in criticizing "articles" as you put it. If you are a serious and thoughtful publicist - post a link to your works, I will read it with interest. Thanks
      1. DenVB
        DenVB 12 August 2021 12: 20
        +3
        Quote: lubesky
        Do you publish yourself?

        No, I'm a reader. Hope readers can criticize the writers?
        1. lubesky
          lubesky 12 August 2021 12: 22
          0
          Quote: DenVB
          Quote: lubesky
          Do you publish yourself?

          No, I'm a reader.

          I thought so...
          Criticize for health, it is very useful for writers!
    2. Essex62
      Essex62 12 August 2021 12: 24
      +6
      Where do you see the connections in the article? The percentage of "adequate" in Afghanistan is scanty. Even having received an education, the locals remain dense fanatics. Let them live as they want, but the export of this obscurantism must be blocked.
    3. Suraikin.Aleksandr
      Suraikin.Aleksandr 12 August 2021 12: 31
      +2
      No matter how strange it may seem, I have often come across assertions among experts in the region that homosexuality is a widespread phenomenon in the ranks of the Taliban.
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 12 August 2021 15: 20
        -1
        Quote: Suraikin.Aleksandr
        common phenomenon.

        Not iksperd on the Taliban, but on the local Islamic fanatics for me, especially those whose appearance corresponds to either a masquerade of homeless people, or dirty sorcerers, according to a number of familiar emergency doctors, I conclude that yes. Details would be disrespectful to the reader.
        1. Suraikin.Aleksandr
          Suraikin.Aleksandr 12 August 2021 15: 34
          +1
          https://www.mk.ru/social/2021/07/28/taliban-i-gomoseksualizm-naydeno-obyasnenie-nenavisti-terroristov-k-zhenshhinam.html
          In over-militarized societies, this was the case before the Taliban!
          The crux of the matter does not change it is their own sexual difficulties!
  8. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 12 August 2021 12: 31
    +4
    You can't shoot Taliban ideas from a Kalash or M-16, and you can't hide behind a wall. And there is no need to throw stones at the USSR, they say he wanted to build socialism, maybe he did. But they didn’t give it, the whole world rushed to help the dushmans, and stood up to defend Islam. And now, as in a joke: "Now, I suppose, you regret, the hostess, that she castrated me ..." And what is interesting, the ideology of consumption lost in Afghanistan, turned out to be unnecessary. But the primitive "justice" at the level of the Middle Ages turned out to be more necessary. The Taliban, when they fully come to power, will not jump with arms on the borders of the Central Asian republics. They will spread ideas, and ideas will destabilize the situation in the region. And these ideas, there is nothing to oppose.
    1. El Barto
      El Barto 12 August 2021 15: 05
      0
      The fact is that the Afghan version of "Islamic ideology" has very little in common with Islam; even the Wahhabis shy away from the Taliban in terms of purity of religion.
      Also, there is no talk of the Middle Ages. The Middle Ages is, first of all, feudalism, at least with Central Asian specifics - in fact, the Americans tried to build it there. Feudalism in itself, as in other things, and Islam does not deny either scientific and technological progress, or education, or human rights (the Ottoman Empire is an example).
      In Afghanistan, we are talking about a return to the tribal structure, and Taliban Islam is not an ideology, but the rudiments of Islam, dimly refracted through tribal customs.
      In this state, Afghanistan does not threaten anyone or anything. They cannot bring their "achievements" to their neighbors, and they do not want to.
      The most important question is whether the Taliban and Afghanistan's neighbors will be able and willing to deal with drug production and drug trafficking
  9. Sergey Aleksandrovich
    Sergey Aleksandrovich 12 August 2021 12: 36
    +1
    Democratization should have started from free internet, not from greenhouses. wassat
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 12 August 2021 12: 55
      +1
      By the way, yes .. They will come to power and launch their info sites, as in Afghanistan with pure, renewed Islam, it is good to live and how happy everyone is. Rockets won't help.
      1. Dimon-SPG
        Dimon-SPG 12 August 2021 14: 36
        -2
        Well, yes, and whoever does not feel well, they will stupidly cut.
  10. Suraikin.Aleksandr
    Suraikin.Aleksandr 12 August 2021 13: 07
    0
    Seriously, figs knows what to believe!
    Kabulov says one thing! That the Taliban in the north of Afghanistan are good for Russia, the Taliban will fight the local ISIS in the north of Afghanistan!

    Other experts on the region, including Deputy Foreign Minister Oleg Syromolotov, in a recent interview with Interfax, actually say the opposite opinion that the most radical part of the Taliban, closely associated with Al Qaeda and ISIS, is digging in and seizing territory in the north of Afghanistan. And warlords in northern Afghanistan are likely to leave the Taliban and join ISIS!

    In any case, Russia needs to start communicating in its own interests not only with the Taliban, but also with the official government in Kabul! At least on the topic of fighting international terrorist organizations in the north of Afghanistan! It may even provide military support to the official Kabul in the north of Afghanistan!
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 12 August 2021 14: 18
      +1
      warlords in northern Afghanistan are likely to leave the Taliban and join ISIS!
      The difference between the organization data is purely speculative. At the level of what will command the next gang and who will mow the controlled area. In an ideological sense, there are those that these are at best able to read and write with difficulty. Therefore, therefore, they do not go into their own dogmas of faith.
      1. El Barto
        El Barto 12 August 2021 15: 10
        +1
        There is a difference. The Taliban are narrowly local tribal organizations that are not interested in and are not capable of external expansion. Others are part of an international network existing only as part of the expansion of the most radical sectarian views
  11. Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 12 August 2021 14: 31
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    Is it worth starting the Great Silk Road through this territory?
    And this question is more likely to China - it is the main beneficiary of the project. Maybe it's not worth it anymore?
    Interestingly, China will also step on the same rake as the United States (and before them we)?
  12. Dimon-SPG
    Dimon-SPG 12 August 2021 14: 34
    +2
    USSR, USA .... When finally big uncles will give, how much money don’t vbuhivay, the monkey will remain a monkey.
  13. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 12 August 2021 16: 45
    +2
    Great article.
    Weighted judgments, clear formulations, intelligible definitions. To the author credit and respect.

    Much of what has been said in the article applies to almost all countries with a Muslim majority, without exception. Only pragmatic secular rulers can still keep their peoples in a tight leash with a firm hand. Where theocracy came to power, a sacred jihad immediately begins with all the consequences for the environment. Where the central authority for some reason has weakened begin
    internal wars for the redistribution of power and zones of influence between gangster groups.
    It is impossible, and I agree with the author, in no way to violate the local order. They already feel good. They have lived with it for a thousand years, they will live the same.
  14. Freedim
    Freedim 12 August 2021 17: 01
    +2
    Do you think they all needed Afghanistan? Some communists are saints - they built schools .. yeah .. You can look at the modern neighbors of the former Soviet republics. Did the schools help them a lot with their religion? They’re just used to it. They do not know how it could be otherwise, and therefore for them such existence is the norm.
    Leave everything as it is .. we don’t teach bears in the forest how to live .. what is more convenient to eat with a fork, and to shit more comfortably in a pot .. They have tamed the blacks, star-striped degenerates, now they don’t know where and where to kiss them. Let each nation live within the boundaries of its habitat. When the time comes, they will build everything themselves and agree to contact, even if it will take thousands of years.
  15. Antonina Ignatenko
    Antonina Ignatenko 12 August 2021 19: 28
    +2
    The damage the US inflicted on the region by pouring billions into the resistance to Sovietization in the 80s, which was mainly inspired by protests against the advancement of women, has yet to be assessed. In fact, the Americans fed this beast, making it the main military force in this territory. And when the USA openly entered there themselves, they finally convinced the locals by their actions that from the kafirs - only drugs and corruption, creating moral support for the Taliban as well. The Chinese will be able to cure this country if they show persistence, consistency, honesty and toughness. But if they make compromises, succumb to the temptation to make money on drug trafficking, then Afghanistan will become a cemetery for their empire. Only an ideal state can bring order to Afghanistan. Well, or something close to that.
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 12 August 2021 21: 35
      +5
      Quote: Antonina Ignatenko
      The damage the US inflicted on the region by pouring billions into the resistance to Sovietization in the 80s, which was mainly inspired by protests against the advancement of women, has yet to be assessed. In fact, the Americans fed this beast, making it the main military force in this territory. And when the US itself openly entered there, they finally convinced the locals by their actions that from the kafirs - only drugs and corruption, creating moral support for the Taliban as well. The Chinese will be able to cure this country if they show persistence, consistency, honesty and toughness.

      The Chinese so much praised by you rendered the "spirits" who fought against the Soviet contingent much more military assistance than the Americans did.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 August 2021 13: 39
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      Quote: Antonina Ignatenko
      In fact, the Americans fed this beast, making it the main military force in this territory.

      To be precise, the United States nurtured the "first generation" of dushmans who overthrew Najibullah. And which, in turn, were thrown off by the proxy of Pakistan - the Taliban. Now we are actually seeing a remake of the 90s.
  16. Evgenii Xolod
    Evgenii Xolod 13 August 2021 09: 58
    +2
    Cut off the electricity in America for a couple of weeks and there will be a wild west. People generally take off the masks of civilization with pleasure and very quickly and come to their original state.
  17. aleks700
    aleks700 13 August 2021 10: 21
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    As for sodomy, the author got excited. In general, it would be better to fence off this territory. Do not let in or let out anyone or anything. In 50 years to look at those who will survive.
  18. svoit
    svoit 13 August 2021 11: 48
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    [quote] It's just that the time has not come for them to "grow up" yet [quote] for 2 trillion whoever you want, you can grow up, and it's not a problem for the United States to decompose a traditional society
  19. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 13 August 2021 13: 29
    0
    It is also necessary to zero all investment and economic projects in Afghanistan as much as possible. Not a penny in the Middle Ages zone.

    Why pump money there, which will inevitably be plundered by the greedy local elite?
    Why build schools with the wind within the walls?
    Build greenhouses that will serve as corrals for donkeys, sheep and goats?
    Raise factories and hydroelectric power plants, where there will be no one to work?

    The answers to all these questions are obvious.

    Of course they are obvious. Because there are minerals there. For example, one of the largest copper deposits. Therefore, mines and factories will be built there. And money will be pumped in to bribe the local elite ... although what kind of "elite" is there - ordinary field commanders.
    And no prohibitions will help - because
    Capital is afraid of lack of profit or profit too small, just as nature is afraid of emptiness. But once sufficient profit is available, capital becomes bold. Provide 10 percent, and the capital agrees to any use, at 20 percent it becomes lively, at 50 percent it is positively ready to break its head, at 100 percent it violates all human laws, at 300 percent there is no crime that he would not risk, at least under pain of the gallows. Evidence: smuggling and trafficking in slaves.
    © T. J. Dunning
  20. Alt 22
    Alt 22 13 August 2021 23: 10
    0
    The problem of Afghanistan is solved simply - by raising children for at least two generations.
  21. Colorado77m
    Colorado77m 14 August 2021 08: 48
    0
    So where is Donald Rumsfeld, the "architect" of this war now?
  22. Colorado77m
    Colorado77m 14 August 2021 09: 19
    0
    One thing is clear, the West cannot provide a scientific explanation of what is happening now in Afghanistan! Two trillion dollars, 150 super-duper NATO contingent, democratic elections and Karzai's victory speech! And all this changed overnight to medieval obscurantism! What kind of process is this?
  23. SlavaP
    SlavaP 14 August 2021 21: 25
    0
    In short, we need to find 4-5 rival groups within the Taliban and supply them at preferential prices, strictly equal amounts of weapons ... Let them have fun.
  24. LCasign
    LCasign 15 August 2021 06: 56
    0
    A very difficult situation ...
    They will not want to be in the world.
    Someone is investing fabulous funds in the search and recruitment of thousands of idiots, various training, provision of conditions, the purchase of weapons, equipment, communications ...
    And free cheese is only in a mousetrap ... Therefore, at first, of course, they will live in peace, creating their first state.
    Only tens of thousands of militants are too many for Afghanistan ...
    Later, you need to throw them into battle, so that the funds should not be wasted ...
    And whom does everyone dislike? Such a paid image by the West and overseas is being created for Russia.
    That means they will incite us ...
  25. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 15 August 2021 14: 12
    0
    What the hell am I starting to read? Taliban for drugs? They were just against, but under the US, Afghanistan was covered with poppy seeds, drugs flooded into the world using the CIA.
    About bestiality and sodomy the author judges by himself? Muslims are against both, and the Taliban are ardent Shiites, and for the above they simply kill.
    1. falx
      falx 15 August 2021 15: 58
      0
      The Taliban (like almost the entire population of Afghanistan) are Sunnis.
      There are Shiites there, but few. they were persecuted very severely by the Taliban during the time they were in power. what will happen this time is very difficult to say ...
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 15 August 2021 17: 14
        0
        I agree, I was wrong. But all the same, it does not change the essence, Muslims and a terrible medieval trend.
  26. Hazarov
    Hazarov 15 August 2021 22: 16
    0
    Opensource projects Does the author know anything about the Mughal Empire?
    Does the author know what this empire stood on? What was her strength and the main source of her strength? What resource was the foundation of this country? Or does the author just want to blur the topic and catch the readers' brains with cheap propaganda from the Anglo? BUT?
    The author of the case is not an American propacond? BUT?
  27. Seld
    Seld 16 August 2021 11: 34
    +1
    "Isn't it time to honestly admit (at least to ourselves) that there are nations and peoples in the XNUMXst century, to whom neither money, nor lessons of democracy, nor gifts in the form of infrastructure facilities will ever be used for the future. It's just that the time has not come for them to "grow up". And, most likely, it will never come - as for the Amazon tribes. They already feel good. "- ONLY. Current you will now be banned for this paragraph.
    But I agree with you. What is really there ... Well, the empirical path proves, yes, yes, there are such nations / peoples / inhabitants that are lagging behind in the mental plane.
    In Africa, there are a lot of tribes that are late in the primitive communal system and do not burn with any desire to leave from there. Well, it's a fact!
    Abreks do not burn with the desire to demakrotizirovano. And by the way, who said this democracy is a good option? Who mantras, sho this "formula" has no flaws and is suitable everywhere? Practice (the criterion of truth) shows, proves, proclaims with loud obscenities even the opposite.
    Thought with a wall - well, just in the palm of your hand! It is enough to catch up with "citizens of Caucasian / Asian appearance" and they will build a wall in a month. And for a penny ... What difference does it make to them which construction sites to work on?
    And let this bandustan behind the wall of the brew in its own brine. I am sure that such a technique can quite possibly even accelerate the mental development of chebureks.
    БиThis will determine consciousness. And it is quite effective though!
  28. Seld
    Seld 16 August 2021 11: 44
    +1
    Quote: Suraikin.Aleksandr
    Seriously, figs knows what to believe!
    Kabulov says one thing! That the Taliban in the north of Afghanistan are good for Russia, the Taliban will fight the local ISIS in the north of Afghanistan!

    Other experts on the region, including Deputy Foreign Minister Oleg Syromolotov, in a recent interview with Interfax, actually say the opposite opinion that the most radical part of the Taliban, closely associated with Al Qaeda and ISIS, is digging in and seizing territory in the north of Afghanistan. And warlords in northern Afghanistan are likely to leave the Taliban and join ISIS!

    In any case, Russia needs to start communicating in its own interests not only with the Taliban, but also with the official government in Kabul! At least on the topic of fighting international terrorist organizations in the north of Afghanistan! It may even provide military support to the official Kabul in the north of Afghanistan!


    " It may even provide military support to the official Kabul in the north of Afghanistan!"- BINGO !!!!! that is, send soldiers again? Will you personally eat? Provide military support? Or again, with other people's sons, sitting on the couch? I am 100% sure: you are now no more than 30 ... And you are not interested in world / modern history, from the word at all. The main thing is that you passed the exam!
    Those who are older have learned something ...
  29. Seld
    Seld 16 August 2021 12: 02
    +1
    Quote: Hazarov
    Opensource projects Does the author know anything about the Mughal Empire?
    Does the author know what this empire stood on? What was her strength and the main source of her strength? What resource was the foundation of this country? Or does the author just want to blur the topic and catch the readers' brains with cheap propaganda from the Anglo? BUT?
    The author of the case is not an American propacond? BUT?


    Theoretically, you can directly google the answer "about the empire". Or you can just think about it: In this region, none of the states (for example, we will not take into account China, though) could fly independently, for example, into space, come up with a vigorous bonba, assemble a nuclear power plant, rivet an airplane, tin a Mercedes , to come up with "quantum mechanics", to solder the camputer, etc. Nothing behind them (for example, the Taliban) is listed. From the word at all.
    And what do they have, can they? And .... nifiga do not know how and do not have except for a fanatical and thoughtlessly stupid reading of the Koran. By the way, Islam is one of the most peaceful religions !!!! But as soon as Religion falls into the hands of a savage, it turns into a murder weapon. Literally!
  30. Denis812
    Denis812 16 August 2021 16: 08
    0
    I almost agree with the author.
    In addition, no refugees need to be accepted.
    Refugees are people who are ready to integrate into their host society.
    Afghans are NOT ready for this.
    As I already wrote in another thread - you need to fenced off from them. And burn everything that comes to the border.
  31. victor_47
    victor_47 27 August 2021 17: 11
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    "And we have to do something about it." So what to do?! To isolate oneself and not to meddle in their internal affairs. Both the USSR and the USA tried, in fact, to do the same thing: to pull the country out of the dark Middle Ages and move it towards modern civilization. It did not work and could not work. From which it is necessary for all developed countries to draw the main conclusion: the export of civilization is not possible and unnecessary! Indeed, alien civilizations do not meddle in earthly affairs. Although they are watching our monkey ...
  32. Zhevlonenko
    Zhevlonenko 2 October 2021 15: 14
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    "where pedophilia, bestiality and sodomy are widespread."