Afghan is on the horizon again

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prehistory


A big mistake of the USSR was the introduction of troops into the DRA (Democratic Republic of Afghanistan) in 1979. But an even bigger mistake was the withdrawal of OKSVA (Limited contingent of Soviet troops in Afghanistan) in 1989! Yes, this happens in geostrategy, when any decision becomes not the right decision, but the lesser of evils.

In this publication, I will not delve into the Afghan war of the USSR, I will tell you about the future threat and trap carefully prepared by the United States for Russia.



The United States entered Afghanistan in the early 2000s. The main reason declared by the United States was the terrorist attack by the Taliban (banned in Russia) on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York on September 11, 2001, during which more than 3000 Americans were killed. As time has shown, the attack by the twins turned out to be just a pretext, and the United States entered Afghanistan for geostrategic reasons, which is confirmed by numerous agreements with terrorists during the entire 20-year campaign, which could not have been if the true goal of the United States was precisely - retribution for the attack 11 September.

The very location of Afghanistan and the supervision of its territory open up opportunities to control and influence the whole region - Iran, Pakistan, Central Asia, China. In the early 2000s, Putin was well-behaved, and Afghanistan was not viewed as a stick for the recalcitrant Russians. But since 2007 and Putin's Munich speech, the situation has changed dramatically, as it seemed to the Americans - the Russians challenged the hegemony of the United States.

As a result, the Pentagon began to look for opportunities in the expansion of the Taliban movement (banned in Russia) through Tajikistan and creating tensions on the border of Russia with Central Asia.

The goals were set quickly.

1. A possible split between Russia and Tajikistan in the field of security on the Tajik-Afghan border and Tajikistan's turn towards the United States and NATO as a new ally in the event that Russia leaves the Afghan threat.

2. In the event of the build-up of the contingent of the 201st base by Russia, not a bad option for the United States was Russia's interference in Afghan affairs, which was so dangerous for us economically and politically.

3. As an option: a weakened Russia will make political concessions to the United States in Central Asia because of the Afghan threat ...


And who are these same Taliban (banned in Russia)?


Needless to say, these terrorists are the product and terrible child of the Pentagon and the CIA, carefully nurtured, created, armed specifically by the United States in the 80s, as rebels, mujahideen against the forces of the OKSVA of the USSR in Afghanistan?

When the Union withdrew its troops from Afgan and collapsed, the Taliban suddenly became uninteresting to their patrons and were abandoned as unnecessary by the Americans without funding. The flow of NATO has also stopped: humanitarian aid and arms supplies. Another young organization and the people of Afgan were abandoned and left to themselves.

Afghanistan, abandoned by international players, plunged into chaos and darkness of a civil bloody feud and a banal division between warlords.

And in 2001, on September 11, the Taliban (banned in Russia) reminds of themselves with the attack of their former ally and creator, and not at all the shuravi, Russia, their former adversary. Whatever it was, story presents truly strange lessons, which, however, as time has shown, the United States has not taught anything ...

By the way, it must be said that the Mujahideen were actively used as mercenaries in both Chechen campaigns, but, rather, this was an operation of the Western special services, and not the desire of the Taliban (banned in Russia).

Having sent troops to Afghanistan, the Americans, to their surprise, found not the Taliban (banned in the Russian Federation) that they created in the 80s, but a very serious, wealthy, motivated and largest terrorist organization on the planet.

It took full-fledged military operations, carpet bombing and all the delights of establishing control over a large country with an absolutely hostile population. The terrorists used against the Americans exactly the same strategy of guerrilla warfare that American strategists taught them in the 80s. Tens and hundreds of coffins flew to Arkansas and Texas as an inevitable "hello" to the Americans from their strategies from the past.

Needless to say, the allied Pakistan from the 80s turned out to be for the United States the same Pakistan for the USSR, which supported and trained the Mujahideen on its territory, but now against the United States?

Neighboring Iran did not become a friend to the Americans right there. In fact, instead of a revenge operation, the Americans got stuck in Afghanistan from year to year, like in a swamp ...


Yankee Adventures in Afghanistan


Despite all the unpopularity of the Afghan war in the Union, open injustice and ingratitude towards Afghan veterans in our country, it is fair to note one important fact - the 40th combined-arms army of the Turkestan Military District completed its combat missions in the DRA by 1984. Control was established over all provinces, a network of outposts was created, the KGB border troops exercised control over the border and was partially established by mobile groups of the USSR KGB border troops even on the Pakistani border. Special forces of the GRU and military intelligence successfully covered the caravans of the mujahideen.

Another thing is that OKSVA was also entrusted with political tasks - and this is an unusual task even for the heroic 40th Army.

Why even?

Because the 40th Army successfully solved not only fighting tasks, but also incredible in complexity engineering (pipelines, tunnels, roads were cut), but also infrastructural, humanitarian - under the control of OKSVA, civil objects were built in Kabul and other cities: hospitals, schools, apartment buildings.

The Americans are another matter - for all 20 years of the campaign, they did not take control of all the provinces, they almost did not leave outposts and bases, they worked from the air on civilians, they did not build anything for the Afghan people. The bottom line: Afghans recalled shuravi with nostalgia.

In terms of combat missions, the Americans turned out to be lacking in initiative, they worked from the air and provided logistics as a full-fledged military operation, which (again in comparison with the shuravi) for the Mujahideen, the Americans were not at all warriors. I must say that in terms of logistics, the Americans analyzed our mistakes; they almost did not allow attacks on their columns. Namely, the main losses in the convoys on the logistics of the OKSVA were carried on the marches along the winding roads of Afgan ...

One way or another, the Americans controlled up to 70% of the territory of Afghanistan by other methods in different years of the campaign, having a total advantage over terrorists in all means of struggle. Still, the mujahideen in the 80s were supplied by half of the world; no one provided such support to the mujahideen in the fight against the United States.

As a result, the Americans did not manage to find any stable and long-term agreements with the locals for these years ...


So what's wrong with them leaving?


In the mid-10s, the geostrategic situation for the United States changed dramatically.

Has changed for the worse. The Georgian gambit failed, the Ukrainian card was played abominably by both sides. Russia's intervention in the Middle East and the complication of relations with China put the American contingent in Afghanistan in an awkward position. Now the Afghan contingent has turned from a center of influence and power into a target.

No logistics center emerged from Pakistan. Moreover, Pakistan has been playing its game all this time. Neighborhood with Iran has become a real threat since the Syrian gambit of the Russians. What can I say, even the Iraqi contingent has become a suitcase without a handle. The Taliban (banned in Russia) became intractable in the light of events. US-grown hydra - ISIS (banned in Russia) came to Afghanistan, and the Taliban felt a dangerous competitor. Their reaction was only a matter of time.

In this threat, Tajikistan stopped flirting with distant America and pressed itself against the belly of Russia. China, which supplied small arms and mortar weapons to the Mujahideen in the 80s, is now a dangerous neighbor for the US contingent in Afghanistan. In other words, the cow became unprofitable.

But there are other reasons for the American withdrawal.

Why stand in the middle of a growing storm when you can get out of there and lure other players there, and play the Afghan War of 1979-1989 again?

Even from defeat, the Americans derive bonuses and perspective. And all why? And all because, unlike us, they can afford to develop a long-term strategy, where tactical defeats are only planned stages.

The sad irony is that the presence of the United States in Afghanistan, all other things being equal, was more beneficial for all players in the region than their absence. And now that the US is leaving Afghanistan, big trouble awaits all the players.

We will not discuss the problems of China, Pakistan, Iran. Let's discuss the impending threat to Tajikistan and Russia, especially since the other day the Taliban came to the border of Tajikistan and already 50 km from it.

Now Russia is in a zugzwang situation: any solution to the Afghan problem will lead to a deterioration, and the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan is the best solution for the United States.


Again about the economy, be it wrong



This is the 201st base of Russian troops on the Tajik-Afghan border.

So what are the prospects for resolving the Afghan threat after reeling the American rod?

It seems that Russia is again facing a historical challenge - Russia is crucified. In the east, there are Japanese and Chinese issues. In the north - the Northern Sea Route and the Arctic, in the west - Ukraine with NATO, in the south - a whole tangle of problems, traditional for Russia - the Caucasus and Central Asia.

And our navel will not come loose? Let's not forget about the Middle East, where it is easy to come and it is so difficult to get out ...

A machine-gun battalion in the Kuril Islands is clearly not enough for such a scale. We need a powerful economy, political stability, protectionism in the light of the political and economic blockade, and I’m already silent about ideology.

Young people have a question - why is it all and why do we need it - everywhere?

The Americans showed a good formula - military expansion from a strong economy or к resources in a country that clearly needs the export of American democracy, of course, exclusively on the bayonets of the Marine Corps and the US Navy. We would use such a formula.

But if with the Arctic the formula is visible to the naked eye, then in the east, west and south only heroic costs await us with a dubious future in terms of civil unrest, so to speak, reaction the population to tighten the belt. No matter how it happened, as with France at the end of the 10th century - for XNUMX years, the enlightened empire fought in the agony of a bloody revolution (after making a bourgeois revolution) and, completely exhausted, like a market girl who surrendered herself to the rapist Bonaparte ...

Everywhere you look, there are continuous challenges. And again Russia, by virtue of its experience, fidgets along the cross, being stretched in four directions. Yes, we should get off it, but only where there - if so many centuries stubbornly ascended to this cross? In fairness - this is our destiny, vocation, we do this not because of masochism, but because of the objective historical circumstances proposed, because of our size, location on the globe and, if you will, our kings alone known mission and destiny.

In other words, the Afghan issue needs to be resolved. But how to manage, with what benefit and with what margin to get out of this story? And whether to leave at all?


What are the options?


In the realities of a weak economy and passionate thinking, a strong Putin, tightening the ring around our interests, lack of ideology - we will not talk about the likely consequences for our country of such a major operation as Afghanistan.

Russia is again not ready for all the challenges, but, in fact, when were we ready?

If you postpone the Afghan problem for later?

In this situation, the time and consequences are similar to a quick return of the bolt carrier, which fired off the previous cartridge, and then the return of the frame under the force of the exhaust gases will capture the next cartridge for a shot ... in the head to ourselves?

Tajikistan, in the case of our lack of initiative, does not have many options. Tajikistan will not stand alone with Afghanistan, the Taliban (banned in Russia) have long proved their determination, fighting efficiency and amazing skill of quickly capturing the minds and hearts of the Muslim population in the controlled territories. In such conditions, Moscow's sluggishness in matters of common security can push the Tajiks away from us in the direction of NATO. And the United States, of course, will offer the very security that they did not expect from us.

The reversal of Tajikistan will still be the return of the bolt carrier for us, since the United States does not harbor any feelings for third countries, as practice has shown, and only uses them in its own interests, easily and naturally without keeping its promises. In this case, the Taliban (banned in Russia) will receive US support to establish control over Tajikistan in exchange for an agreement not to touch the US bases.

And all for what?

And everything for shaking Russia at a new point of destabilization - already on our border with Tajikistan.

Does an agreement with the Taliban (banned in Russia) look like a gamble in the United States?

Only partly. Even if they have to leave Taliban Tajikistan, a destabilization mechanism for Russia will be launched. However, all possible negative scenarios for Central Asia and Russia already launched by the very withdrawal of the United States from Afghanistan and the reaction of the Taliban (banned in Russia) to this withdrawal.

Needless to say, with the rapprochement of Tajikistan and NATO and in the face of the Afghan threat, the 201st base will have to be withdrawn from the Tajik-Afghan border, as happened with our Transcaucasian group of forces in Georgia? This means that with such a passive variant - a loss.
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  1. +5
    11 August 2021 18: 11
    I would like to have Afghanistan as a good-neighborly state. But in the current scenario, this is a pipe dream.
    1. +7
      11 August 2021 21: 06
      Quote: nikvic46
      I would like to have Afghanistan as a good neighborly state

      We were neighbors during the Soviet era.
      And everything for shaking Russia at a new point of destabilization - already on our border with Tajikistan
      .
      The author of the article had to open the map.

      The author of the "analytical article" forgets about Kazakhstan, but Russia has practically no equipped borders there.
      And it's time to finish with the "brothers" Tajiks, Uzbeks and Kyrgyz. Arranged "entrance courtyard".
      1. 0
        13 August 2021 07: 27
        Quote: kapitan92
        Russia has practically no equipped borders there.

        The border of the RK-RF is equipped in sufficient volume
    2. 0
      11 August 2021 22: 19
      Quote: nikvic46
      I would like to have Afghanistan as a good-neighborly state. But in the current scenario, this is a pipe dream.
      This is not known to anyone, except the Taliban, unfortunately.
  2. +50
    11 August 2021 18: 12
    I read up to the moment in the article "When the Union withdrew its troops from Afghanistan and collapsed, the Taliban suddenly became uninteresting to their patrons and were abandoned by the Americans as unnecessary without funding."
    I want to remind the author - the Taliban movement (banned in Russia) was created in 1994, we left Afgan in 1989. How could Americans abandon what had not yet been created?
    Somehow the causal relationship does not converge.
    1. +28
      11 August 2021 18: 41
      For the author, a lot does not fit, and no less a lot is stretched over the globe.
      1. +31
        11 August 2021 18: 51
        I agree completely.
        When I read that the attack on the Twin Towers was the work of the Taliban, I realized that I could not read further.
      2. +17
        11 August 2021 20: 10
        at a new point of destabilization - already on our border with Tajikistan.

        This pearl stole my breath, I deliberately opened the map and looked to see if the border had changed so dramatically that a section of "our border with Tajikistan" appeared, no, miracles did not happen, and this never happened and is not present ...
        The Author's flight of thought was ahead of me ... or it’s just not visible from Ufa ... (strangely I can see from Bashkiria ...)
    2. +14
      11 August 2021 18: 55
      1.The Twin Towers were blown up (according to the US version) by Ap-Qaeda, not the Taliban.
      2.How can the REGIONAL Taliban be the most powerful in the world?
      3. There were both the PRC and the IRI in Afghanistan against the USSR.
      Now the picture is completely opposite.
      4. As for the attractiveness of the population, it is a moot point. Few people will like to give 12-year-old girls forcibly marry Taliban fighters.
      5. The Taliban, unlike IS, are not so monolithic.
      It is interesting to see how the Taliban will resolve the issue in the provinces controlled by the latter.
      And what will happen next when the pro-Western puppets in Kabul are overthrown (from the point of view of the population)?
      6. In Tajikistan, there is a strong influence (for centuries) of the Ismailis, who have a negative attitude towards all Islamists.
      I think enough.
      1. +3
        12 August 2021 01: 12
        And what will happen next when the pro-Western puppets in Kabul are overthrown (from the point of view of the population)?


        Negotiate with specific princes. If they create at least something unified, similar to the one controlled from Kabul, I will be very surprised. It takes so much money (or money) to transfer even a battalion from Mazar to Sari-Pul ... And the author was dreaming of almost seizing Tajikistan. By whom and by what? On what roads? How to supply, feed, clothe, heal? A gang on horseback, and even then in the summer - it is possible.
        Well, the maximum will be buzzed in the border strip. Although why would they? Meaning ?
        I would rather believe in an American tank campaign from Alaska across the North Pole to Moscow. Tajiks are a country. With the infrastructure created under the USSR. Afghan is a bunch of territories separated by mountains and deserts with a couple of highways. And no one could conquer them precisely because of this. Well, the "conquerors" have come. Now supply and feed yourself with what you bring yourself, and by airplanes.
        1. 0
          12 August 2021 10: 40
          Well, at most they will get into the frontier zone

          Have they squeezed the Tajik border to push it?
          Sincerely
    3. -10
      11 August 2021 19: 46
      Quote: Proton
      I want to remind the author - the Taliban movement (banned in Russia) was created in 1994, we left Afghanistan in 1989

      you are technically right.
      and the author probably knows this, since he writes on the topic.
      but it certainly means that in fact these are the same mujahideen who fought with the Soviet contingent and who were in every possible way supported in this struggle by the United States.
    4. +7
      11 August 2021 21: 03
      Yes, most of the Mujahideen fought against the Taliban. Northern Alliance, etc.
    5. -8
      11 August 2021 22: 17
      Quote: Proton
      The Taliban movement (banned in Russia) was created in 1994, we left Afghanistan in 1989. How could Americans abandon what had not yet been created?
      What's the difference how to call our enemies, which the striped state creates / feeds? Dushmans, Taliban, what's the difference ?!
      1. +2
        13 August 2021 07: 30
        Quote: businessv
        Dushmans, Taliban, what's the difference ?!

        The difference is decent - the first fought against the second. And quite seriously, including tanks and artillery
        1. 0
          13 August 2021 13: 36
          Quote: your1970
          The difference is decent - the first fought against the second.
          And those, and others are not our friends, so we do not care what they call themselves, this is what I meant. If those who put minuses to this statement prove the opposite - that at least one of them is our friend, or that both of them were not supported by the minke whales at different times, I am ready to apologize.
  3. +7
    11 August 2021 18: 18
    Even from defeat, the Americans derive bonuses and perspective. And all why? And all because, unlike us, they can afford to develop a long-term strategy, where tactical defeats are only planned stages.

    And who prevents the Russian Federation from developing a long-term strategy ?:
    Why does even the events in the former Soviet republics always surprise the Russian Federation and show that the leadership is not ready? In the film about Crimea, Putin himself said that "decisions had to be made straight from the wheels." What is this strategy?
    It seems that the Russian Federation was born yesterday and from scratch. No continuity, no art of politics.
    1. -1
      11 August 2021 22: 33
      Quote: Hlavaty
      Even from defeat, the Americans derive bonuses and perspective. And all why? And all because, unlike us, they can afford to develop a long-term strategy, where tactical defeats are only planned stages.

      And who prevents the Russian Federation from developing a long-term strategy ?:

      1905-1906, 1917,1939,1941,1953,1991 ...
      1. +1
        12 August 2021 16: 53
        This is not a hindrance.
        This is precisely the result of the absence of a long-term strategy in the Russian Federation and the presence of one in its enemies.
    2. -1
      12 August 2021 22: 31
      Come on, from the "wheels" of how to return Crimea, they have always thought in certain circles in the power of Russia, and for sure there were sketches of such a plan, and this is correct, but Putin, as always, in his role, everything hopes to get along with the West, and wants someone to convince that Crimea joined Russia "accidentally", and he, so white and fluffy, is not to blame for this.
      1. 0
        13 August 2021 20: 43
        Quote: Svidetel 45
        how to return Crimea, they have always thought in certain circles in the power of Russia

        Probably, there were some development of military operations to defend the naval base in Sevastopol from extremists. But this is not a strategy
        Judging by the lack of thoughtful steps AFTER the annexation, and because Crimea has been in limbo for more than 7 years, no strategy has been developed. Hoping to buy off gas again?
  4. +5
    11 August 2021 18: 25
    The towers were attacked by Alqaida, not the Taliban ... There is nothing to talk about ... The threat is this: the Americans, with the help of the Orange Revolution mechanism, will change the government of Tajikistan to a Taliban loyalist, and then Tajikistan will become an ally of the Taliban. It will again become Basmach, as it was at the beginning of the 20th century.
    1. +6
      11 August 2021 18: 52
      For the authors of such articles, there is no difference. Al Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS are all one. Somewhere on the Internet (and perhaps it was here as well), a similarly competent writer talked about how the Taliban attacked the 12th outpost.
      1. -1
        11 August 2021 20: 17
        Al Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS are all one. Somewhere on the Internet (and perhaps it was here as well), a similarly competent writer talked about how the Taliban attacked the 12th outpost.

        The work of A. Azimov, in honor of whom Osama bin Laden named his network "Al - Qaeda" in Russian translation was called "Academy". And the "Taliban" are students who study in madrassas ... Funding for the "Peshawar Seven" went through this very "academy", whose "students" were conquering one province after another. However, if "competent readers" do not understand this, wait until the series is released ... No, not about "The Witcher"!
        Sincerely
        1. +1
          11 August 2021 22: 04
          To be honest, I didn't understand much of your meaningful hints. Apparently another competent writer.

          But, as far as I know, bin Laden not only did not name his "network" in honor of the work of Asimov (this is some strange bike from the Runet), he did not name it at all. The name arose before him and just stuck to the structures that he began to lead.
          1. -2
            12 August 2021 10: 37
            You see! ISIS and Taliban and Al Qaeda are all the same! All these are stories from the Russian Internet. And there is no need to conduct any exercises! It is enough to put Rogozin at the head of the Taliban! He will simply lead the Taliban (like Osama al - Qaeda, probably he was found by the announcement) and will ruin everything there!
            Sincerely
            1. 0
              12 August 2021 10: 40
              Quote: nobody75
              It is enough to put Rogozin at the head of the Taliban!

              Bet. Tell me what I have allowed.
  5. +4
    11 August 2021 18: 36
    I did not understand the logic. Where are the Taliban - a creature of Pakistani intelligence, created to fight the "old", pro-American mujahideen, such as Hekmatyar and Russia? Why would the Taliban go to Tajikistan now?
    1. +1
      12 August 2021 14: 20
      The Taliban have grown so much with various jihadist groups such as the Islamic Movement of Turkestan, Al-Qaeda that even Pakistani intelligence will not be able to unravel this tangle!
      The military successes of the Taliban in the north of Afghanistan, where it would seem that the Pashtuns are a minority, is precisely connected with the support of Al Qaeda and ISIS (formerly IDT), which are more popular with local jihadists. is the expansion of jihad into neighboring countries.
  6. +21
    11 August 2021 18: 36
    a trap carefully prepared by the United States for Russia.

    Yes, you will not deny the Americans thoroughness!
    For 20 years they have been preparing a trap: they put a lot of their soldiers there, threw in frantic money, and all this supposedly for the sake of creating some kind of trap, into which, it is not yet known, whether Russia will go.
    Something too complicated a combination, or is it just me alone that seems so?
    1. -3
      11 August 2021 19: 08
      American Empireism is like that, it spent more than 2 trillion eternally green on a trap and hid, waiting for production!
      1. +3
        11 August 2021 19: 11
        Quote: tralflot1832
        American Empireism is like that, it spent more than 2 trillion eternally green on a trap and hid, waiting for production!

        It's clear with Erdogan. He is haunted by Pan-Turkism and the long-gone glory of the Ottoman Empire. He marks the territory.
        1. +2
          11 August 2021 19: 15
          Like my favorite doggie in the yard, Kid, in his yard, neither does he, but on the street he takes his soul for a walk. lol
        2. +1
          11 August 2021 21: 40
          Quote: A. Privalov
          It's clear with Erdogan. He is haunted by Pan-Turkism and the long-gone glory of the Ottoman Empire. He marks the territory.

          Turkish business operates in Afghanistan. Even the famous singer Tarkan does not hesitate to give concerts at the opening of a shopping center built by Turkish builders on an Afghan project in Afghanistan. Moreover, the Turks in Afghanistan, unlike the Koreans, seem to have never been kidnapped. Apparently, the Turkish special services are professionally and imperceptibly present in this country.
          1. 0
            11 August 2021 21: 55
            Quote: gsev
            Quote: A. Privalov
            It's clear with Erdogan. He is haunted by Pan-Turkism and the long-gone glory of the Ottoman Empire. He marks the territory.

            Turkish business operates in Afghanistan. Even the famous singer Tarkan does not hesitate to give concerts at the opening of a shopping center built by Turkish builders on an Afghan project in Afghanistan. Moreover, the Turks in Afghanistan, unlike the Koreans, seem to have never been kidnapped. Apparently, the Turkish special services are professionally and imperceptibly present in this country.

            Businesses, singers and builders are one thing, but the sphere of state interests with a military component is quite another. I do not know anything about the Turkish special services in those parts.
            But six centuries of Ottoman rule is no joke. The Sultan is already asleep and sees the Turks shouting joyfully: "Kabul is ours!"
    2. -1
      11 August 2021 19: 11
      And if you look at the political map of the world, it looks like Afghanistan and the United States have no common borders, but geopolitical rivals seem to be close to Afghanistan. And it is not in vain that the United States sat in Afghanistan for 20 years, this trump card will still play a big game. I may be wrong, but the problems in Central Asia will have to be raked up by Russia, well, I don’t believe that China is trying to save the "Silk Way", and I believe in building the second wall of China. Iran, and so the eastern border is almost under the personal control of the elite, and there are not enough resources. And you say it’s a difficult combination and you don’t have to be an expert analyst, I predicted this a year ago.
      1. +3
        11 August 2021 19: 42
        Here is another interesting point, whoever climbed with a "peace mission" in Afghanistan, Turkey, Iran, even the Ishilov barmales, they, Afghans, will be considered occupiers. It's a pity that the leading force is not the same, but the existing one has compromised itself. Russia in Afghanistan does not have, as well as in Central Asia, not its own "fellow travelers" there, but with Turkmenistan, not at all.
        1. -4
          11 August 2021 20: 28
          Well, igil (banned in Russia), I would not say, these guys know how to work with the population and ideology is at a height, just look at how they work, cells and movements work from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean. was in Islam and the works of Trotsky and Mao Zedong are also probably better known than ours.
  7. +2
    11 August 2021 18: 38
    Wangyu: ours will increase the number of joint exercises, increase the grouping of the military base, throw cheap loans for the purchase of our weapons. And that's all. The Taliban do not need the Aerospace Forces in the skies of Afghanistan, and the example of Syria seems to be hinting. They will come to an agreement. The Chinese can pour money into Afghanistan in exchange for the Chinese Silk Road and resources.
    1. +1
      11 August 2021 19: 14
      Quote: Marachuh
      Wangyu: ours will increase the number of joint exercises

      You do not need to do what you need (to begin with) to lose your eyesight.
      Afghan is on the horizon again

      I remembered:
      Nobody dares to call me a coward © Marty McFly

      And why, in fact, does Russia owe something to someone? Why should Russia be led by the United States?
      Those who want to feel the Russian underbelly may not seem a little. Just look at how soon the global strategy began to develop ... This is necessary, this is necessary ...
      We must think that our own country should develop harmoniously and spend the national natural resources given to Russia by God for all, for the common good of the citizens of the country.
      ==========
      Afghanistan, like other countries, has the right to its own development. Only this development should not burden anyone. Tell us how surgeons fight against tumors and various sores with radical methods? And the whole organism does not suffer after that.
      There are no Santa Clauses with black beards and Kalashnikovs.
    2. 0
      12 August 2021 10: 49
      Quote: Marachuh
      Wangyu: ours will increase the number of joint exercises, increase the grouping of the military base, throw cheap loans for the purchase of our weapons. And that's all. The Taliban do not need the Aerospace Forces in the skies of Afghanistan, and the example of Syria seems to be hinting. They will come to an agreement. The Chinese can pour money into Afghanistan in exchange for the Chinese Silk Road and resources.

      What is the example of Syria? Under which the regime we support in Damascus does not control vital areas (oil from the Kurds from the United States, cx areas from Turkey and its babakhs)? Or in which local warriors are only capable of doing something in TV reports, but Russian mercenaries are actually fighting? Russia will not start a military operation in Afghanistan, even a limited one (if, precisely if, the current regime falls especially on whom). Under the influence of the Taliban, there is a chance of starting civil wars in the neighbors to the north ... in general, the Americans radicalized Afghanistan as much as possible, any newcomer pays off, and it takes years, years of complicated and expensive ground operation and occupation similar to the NATO operation to fix it, because working with the population is needed years ...
  8. +2
    11 August 2021 18: 42
    Needless to say, these terrorists are the product and terrible child of the Pentagon and the CIA, carefully nurtured, created, armed specifically by the United States in the 80s, as rebels, mujahideen against the forces of the OKSVA of the USSR in Afghanistan?
    True, the Taliban arose in 1994))) Here is the same article, hurray-mess from an ignorant person (((
  9. 0
    11 August 2021 18: 43
    The Taliban (banned in Russia) have long proven their determination, fighting ability and amazing skill of quickly capturing the minds and hearts of the Muslim population in the controlled territories.

    Perhaps the only sensible thought in the entire article. And if you find out exactly how the Taliban capture the minds and hearts of the population, then you can draw very interesting conclusions. But, making such conclusions publicly, one can inadvertently ring out under several articles of the criminal code of the Russian Federation.
  10. -1
    11 August 2021 18: 51
    What was the US strategy in Afghanistan? What is the conversation if the Saudis are behind the fallen towers?
    What the United States wanted in Afghanistan, why they flooded there - they still do not understand what they themselves admit to, and this happened even under Obama, after Trump came to power, Afghan affairs finally got out of control. A curtain.
    1. 0
      11 August 2021 19: 46
      What the USA wanted in Afghanistan, why they flooded there - they still do not understand this,


      They understand. Brzezinski explained on his fingers more than thirty years ago.
  11. +8
    11 August 2021 19: 07
    And who are these same Taliban (banned in Russia)?

    Needless to say, these terrorists are the product and terrible child of the Pentagon and the CIA, carefully nurtured, created, armed specifically by the United States in the 80s, as rebels, mujahideen against the forces of the OKSVA of the USSR in Afghanistan?

    When the Union withdrew its troops from Afgan and collapsed, the Taliban suddenly became uninteresting to their patrons and were abandoned as unnecessary by the Americans without funding.

    After that, you can skip reading. The author does not understand what he is writing about.
  12. +4
    11 August 2021 19: 27
    Another "star" has risen in the sky, it looks like the "chick" of the "nest" of the Samsonov & Co. corporation. smile I don't even want to comment on what was written.
  13. -6
    11 August 2021 20: 11
    Needless to say, with the rapprochement of Tajikistan and NATO and in the face of the Afghan threat, the 201st base will have to be withdrawn from the Tajik-Afghan border, as happened with our Transcaucasian group of forces in Georgia? This means that with such a passive variant - a loss.
    An excellent analytical article, as for me! Thank you! Everything is mentioned, including the attitude of our citizens in the 90s to all the guys who fought in Afghanistan - invaders, animals, etc. delights! Very well informed. I can imagine what our "patriots" will tell you now! Let's not defend Tajiks at the cost of our citizens' lives! Why do we need Tajikistan? We are taking the guys out of the Taliban strike! Mothers, have pity on your children, they are children, and they are forced to fight! And the next round of events will begin, which have already happened once in the long history of our country. We need only one thing: to learn to draw conclusions from the lessons that the history of our country teaches us and not to repeat them again! Unlike the history of ping-d @ these, the history of our country has thousands of years before the formation of the latter and will exist for thousands of years after its disappearance from the maps of the world!
    1. -1
      11 August 2021 20: 52
      I can imagine what our "patriots" will tell you now!

      We will tell Leninskaya Pravda, about how the "bats" reconciled "Khalk" and "Parcham", courted Massoud and missed bin Laden. About how the "Arbat artists", instead of blocking the flow of money, people and weapons organized by al - Qaeda, were engaged in military pseudoscience and promised "party members - progressors" a new republic within the USSR.
      If the competent authorities worked according to Osama, and did not please Babrak Karmal, the Darkest One could play the "September 11" card in a more interesting way ...
      Sincerely
      1. +2
        11 August 2021 22: 35
        Quote: nobody75
        If the competent authorities worked according to Osama, and did not please Babrak Karmal, the Darkest One could play the "September 11" card in a more interesting way ...
        Sincerely
        If you did not mix everything into one heap and more impartially painted everything that you wanted to say, I could more specifically answer all your remarks and questions, if any, and since this is not the case, then:
        "Arbat artists" greetings from the KGB, Al-Qaeda, condolences in connection with their disappearance, and to you - more sensible and understandable posts in defense of only your convictions, which, in my opinion, do not in any way agree with the convictions of real patriots of Russia! You just referred to my post without answering or responding to any remark that, in my opinion, deserves attention, so do not bother to write anything in response again, but just write your opinion on the article without reference to mine! Sincerely! hi
        1. -1
          12 August 2021 00: 06
          Lived! There was a division into "real" and "not real" patriots! You asked what the patriots will do? I answered you. I do not need to refute your theses.
          Sincerely
          1. 0
            12 August 2021 00: 11
            Quote: nobody75
            Lived! There was a division into "real" and "not real" patriots! You asked what the patriots will do?
            Alas, this is true, only I did not ask what the patriots would do! There are a lot of people who write just to write, and again you did not answer any worthwhile remark, as usual! The division into "real" patriots and "patriots in power" arose long ago. It is a pity that you did not know this. Sincerely!
            1. -4
              12 August 2021 11: 00
              And the next round of events will begin, which have already happened once in the long history of our country.

              Fighting the 40th Army with the Shadow? Our "Arbat artists", judging by their "scientific" works, until September 11 did not understand with whom and for what they were fighting ...
              Perhaps, before mobilizing the people to defend Tajikistan, it is worth looking for answers to simple questions in a thousand-year history?
              Why did mercenaries from Egypt, a country supported by Saudi Arabia, fight on the side of the mujahideen?
              Why were the World Trade Center towers attacked? What "interesting" financial structure was based there and what was Osama doing in Afghanistan? Why did the Americans, without waiting for the results of the investigation, determine exactly who attacked them?
              Sincerely
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  15. +4
    11 August 2021 20: 55
    The author is absolutely incompetent in the question and the whole article has been sucked out of what finger.
    The level of articles on VO has slipped into a complete UG ..
  16. +2
    11 August 2021 21: 39
    Afghanistan must go through its own state formation without the participation of whatever countries. Then they will understand who is their friend and who is their enemy. This path is long, but otherwise there will be a war of all against all.
  17. +1
    11 August 2021 22: 04
    The Anglo-Saxons acted according to a proven scheme - to bribe / deliver their puppets from the country's leadership.
    Only here with Afgan broke off, there all the princelings in the provinces do not care deeply about the central leadership.
    Hmm, a lot of money, many lives, 20 years, complete impotence.
    1. 0
      13 August 2021 19: 19
      Not so much. 2,5 thousand killed, about 20 thousand wounded. For comparison, the USSR lost 15 thousand killed and more than 50 thousand wounded there.
      1. +1
        13 August 2021 21: 31
        Soviet troops fought, minke whales sat on bases and bombed weddings.
        Therefore, such an alignment.
        Read about Tora-Bora ("black cave"), whose money it was built with, and who was able to capture it and for how long.
        1. -1
          13 August 2021 22: 28
          I tell you about the losses, and you tell me about the strategy. the same leadership of the USSR chose how to act there, and not enemy spies. probably we could sit at the bases too. And in the end, we left there and they. the result is similar, their losses are small, so their strategy is similar. losses are more literate than ours. And if we take into account that then the USSR collapsed, and perhaps the Afghan influenced it, then in general our strategy was so-so. about the cave did not understand what it has to do with it. there was a cold war, we wanted capitalism to cover itself with a copper basin and did what they could for this, they are the same. something amazing?
          1. +1
            13 August 2021 22: 41
            The point is in the results.
            Soviet troops left Afgan with the Banners raised.
            The statesmen at night, without including the MTR (Lighting Equipment), quietly piled at the airfield, without even informing their puppets.
            The regime in Kabul, after the withdrawal of the Soviet troops, lasted for 3 years.
            Let's see how long the regime will last after the mattress covers leave.
            1. -1
              13 August 2021 23: 22
              again. you wrote "Hmm, a lot of money, many lives, 20 years, complete impotence." I replied "Not so many. 2,5 thousand killed, about 20 thousand wounded. For comparison, the USSR lost there 15 thousand killed and more than 50 thousand wounded." by the way, they have it for 20 years, and we have it for 10.
              Before discussing difficult issues with you, such as results and banners, it is wiser for me to discuss with figures a fairly simple question of a lot or a little loss.

              so:
              - here is an approximate information on the size of the us group. if you have more information, please write more precisely, I will not waste my time on searches.
              https://www.mk.ru/politics/2021/04/14/vyvod-voysk-ssha-iz-afganistana-poluchil-ocenku-vse-ustali.html
              The size of the US Army group in Afghanistan ranged from 5 in 2002 to 110 in 2011 (at its peak). Then the number decreased and in recent years it was kept at the level of 20 thousand people.
              - here is information about the number of people killed there for each month of each year
              https://translate.yandex.ru/translate?lang=en-ru&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUnited_States_military_casualties_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan&view=c пики в 2010-11 гг на уровне 400-500 чел, потом снижается до примерно 20 чел/год
              - thus losses of 500/110 thousand = 0,45%, 20/20 thousand = 0,1%, I saw info that recently the group was about 11 thousand, then 20/11 thousand = 0,18%.

              For comparison:
              - data on the losses of our army by years
              https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2017/1потери 2/04/744095-poteri-rossiiskoi-armii
              in 2012, 630 servicemen of the Ministry of Defense died, in 2013 - 596, in 2014 - 790, in 2015 - 626.
              - the number of military personnel https://tass.ru/info/4135532
              On July 8, 2016, Putin signed a decree "On the staff strength of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation", which left the number of servicemen unchanged (1 million)
              - losses in our army 600/1 000 000 = 0,06%. Those. the losses of our entire army in peacetime (figures in 2012-13), located on our territory, are 1,5-3 times (0,06% and 0,1-0,18%) lower than the losses of the US group leading the military actions in Afghanistan (!) in 2015-2019 Conclusion - in my opinion, their losses are small. And in 2020, in general, 0,08%
  18. 0
    11 August 2021 22: 53
    The author is confusing something! Hopefully not intentionally. The Taliban is the brainchild of Pakistan. The Taliban do not threaten the borders of other countries. The USSR was unable to close the borders of Afghanistan, especially in the mountains. The Taliban are enemies of the drug mafia and ISIS. The withdrawal of coalition troops - the United States and partners, will lead to a prolonged civil war. Pakistan will support the Taliban, but the northern alliance (ethnic Tajiks and Uzbeks) has someone to support. New types of weapons (unmanned aerial vehicles) will complicate the actions of the Taliban. But to plunder which country the United States is withdrawing its troops, this is a question. The threat from Turkey's actions in Central Asia is more significant for the Russian Federation than the actions of the Taliban. hi
  19. 0
    12 August 2021 03: 09
    Why don't they say that the Pashtuns are the carriers of R1a genetically Russian people ... More precisely, a relic of that very great Aryan civilization ..
    1. 0
      12 August 2021 09: 40
      Pashtuns are carriers of R1a genetically Russian people ...

      What? Another "measurement of skulls", oh, that is now speculation on the topic of haplogroups? However, the pseudoscientific nature of both "approaches" is obvious.
  20. +1
    12 August 2021 08: 06
    The owl is squealing, the globe is cracking!
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    1. +1
      12 August 2021 10: 10
      Well, it's time to come up with something new, otherwise some repetitions ...

      "Paid" investigations of Navalny or not - it doesn't matter to me. And the important thing is that they make Russia better by opening people's eyes to the thieves in power. The case of insulting a veteran is far-fetched, and you yourself perfectly understand this. This is another rude attempt by thieves to slander the fighter against them.

      And where did Navalny go around Russia? On the contrary, he is trying to improve Russia by bringing thieves and corrupt officials to the surface. If you haven’t watched a single investigation, then there’s no reason to talk empty-handed like a pomelo.

      The main enemy of our country is corruption, which Putin has bred.

      Grandfather is still puffed up. Tries to put on importance. But they still remember about Panamanian offshores and false promises to their people. We cannot be defeated.

      Putin is our "zero" ..

      Bunker grandfather just to fill his pockets. He doesn't care about the country.
      1. 0
        12 August 2021 10: 38
        An article about Afghanistan, an attempt to analyze the events, what does your Berlin pissy codpiece leader have to do with it ??? Yesterday there was a heavy downpour, is it Putin's fault and this punishment for a sedentary bullshit? Well, you need to think at least a little bit
      2. +1
        13 August 2021 10: 19
        Quote: Petrik66
        The main enemy of our country is corruption, which Putin has bred.

        Yes you shooo ...
        If we proceed from the message that everything is bad with us because of corruption, then in the United States there should be a complete .......
        The Pentagon alone cannot account for $ 8 trillion - and this is comparable to ALL budget of the Russian Federation .... There are no documents for the spent, none at all ...
        But nothing, they live and do not cry - that another woman has leaked everything
    2. 0
      13 August 2021 20: 08
      in russia there is no strong p, smart hand! only zeros and .. nullified !!
  22. 0
    12 August 2021 09: 55
    Dushman Republic of Afghanistan. but not democratic.))
  23. +2
    12 August 2021 10: 05
    Well, one passage about the fact that the 40th army decided all the issues in 1984 .......... are you serious? It is a pity that the spirits in 1985 in the Wardak province (this is not far from Kabul), did not know about this ........ in 84, the war had just begun there. further it was possible not to read. everything was gone ... the cunning Americans again spent a drunken Roly on the chaff ...
    1. +2
      12 August 2021 10: 34
      The biggest losses and the largest operations just happened in 84-85, I agree with you that the author of this opus about 84, to put it mildly, bent
  24. -1
    12 August 2021 10: 23
    "We need a strong economy, political stability, protectionism in the light of the political and economic blockade, and I am already silent about ideology."

    As always, where betrayal has won and reigns supreme, ideology is either absent, or is a fake curtain, which is either shifted or pushed aside in front of the gaping spectators, deceived by the banal ordinary people.
    And if there is no ideology that has been absorbed by the ENTIRE people of the state, then there will be nothing of the above (in the above quote).
    There will be one BUTAPHORIA, which will be ready to fall apart not even from a strong hurricane, but from the smell of PERSONAL profit by hungry masses.
    Think, is it possible, with the verb about PATRIOTISM, about internal decay (in the absence of patriotism towards the state, this is inevitable), generate by their actions an oligarchic, clan, personal principle of government?
    And since capitalism does not allow ANYTHING, can those persons who BETRAYED socialism together with their HOMELAND, sincerely talk about PATRIOTISM, if even at the parade in honor of the Great Victory of the SOVIET PEOPLE in the war against fascism, the troops are congratulated on the victory, but not the Soviet people?
    Unfortunately no.
    After all, silence, deception is ALWAYS the path to betrayal.
    It is for such a case that the popular saying is ABSOLUTELY true:
    "The path to HELL is paved with good intentions."
    1. 0
      13 August 2021 10: 23
      Quote: loaln
      After all, silence, deception is ALWAYS the path to betrayal.

      Quote: loaln
      As always, where betrayal has won and reigns supreme, ideology is either absent, or it is a fake curtain, which is either shifted or pushed aside in front of open-mouthed spectators, deceived by the banal ordinary people.
      And if there is no ideology that has been absorbed by the ENTIRE people of the state, then there will be nothing of the above (in the above quote).

      Exactly all of the above and led to the collapse of the USSR ...
      "Come on tryndi - how spaceships ply the world's oceans ..." (C) operation "y"
  25. 0
    12 August 2021 10: 47
    We need to stock up on popcorn and watch this circus from the fence. Mujahideen in the near future will not cross any border - they need to deal with their problems. and their goal is completely different - to establish Islamic rule in Afghanistan on the basis of Sharia law. Tajikistan itself will be able to cope with them quite well (Especially if we take into account the "warm" relations between ISIS and the Taliban) and their assistants are Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Turkmenistan. Here is our number-16: -th. Help only with weapons, and that is for money .. The authorities of the Central Asian republics will fight fiercely with the invaders, after all, it was not for the Taliban that they took to fall in their republics.
  26. 0
    12 August 2021 11: 15
    Nothing is clear, some whining. A lot of emotion and very little business thinking. Thoughts for one paragraph, emotions for a book.
  27. +1
    12 August 2021 11: 43
    Few people remember that 90 years ago a “limited contingent” of the Red Army had already visited this country, and it ended just as unsuccessfully, albeit quickly. And the only one who was against the new entry of troops into Afghanistan was Brezhnev, but the majority in the Politburo of the CPSU turned out to be "for" and got what they got! History does not teach anything, the first one who received it in full is Macedonian.
  28. -3
    12 August 2021 11: 46
    The main thing for Russia is to evacuate local Russians to Russia, establish a cordon in Northern Kazakhstan and not prevent the Taliban from moving to Central Asia and Kazakhstan, so that they establish medieval order there, from which we will free the surviving Central Asians and Kazakhs later.
  29. +2
    12 August 2021 12: 48
    The main thing is that our "great" geopolitical strategist does not get in there.
  30. 0
    12 August 2021 14: 11
    no need to worry too much, everything will be like from 89 to 2001. Russia is a source of ammunition and weapons. As monolithic as the Taliban may seem, there are contradictions. In any case, we will send caravans in exchange for peace of mind.
  31. 0
    12 August 2021 14: 11
    "Shaikhutdinov", and even "Vasil" ...) One can feel the "rich" life and military experience ..)
  32. -2
    12 August 2021 15: 48
    Author, even in a nightmare you cannot imagine how many coffins were sent from Afgan to the USSR in the first 3 years of the occupation. We had photographs of former graduates on our walls at school with a black ribbon in the corner. 18-year-old recruits were hiding under the beds at the assembly point when there was a rumor that "buyers" had come to take to Afghan. From my entrance, the perpen returned from there half-closed. They wrote that some psychotropic substances were tested on them so that they were very brave and were not afraid to fight 1 against 5. And the second component of this rubbish was not delivered in time ...
    You yourself know where to go with your Afghan and Tajikistan ...
    1. 0
      13 August 2021 10: 29
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      Author, you imagine yourself even in a nightmare

      You slightly edit your nightmare - otherwise it gives off a lot of drug addiction ...
      Apparently you
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      the second component of this rubbish was not delivered in time.

      fool fool fool
    2. 0
      16 August 2021 17: 18
      When you speak, you are delusional. You have at least some idea about Afghanistan, Chernobyl about those people of that time.
  33. 0
    12 August 2021 18: 32
    There is no passive option with a loss. It is necessary to solve cross-border problems with minimal costs. Those. automated, robotic complexes and means. For example, mining, listening (a powerful microphone on a drone, or disguised on a trail).
  34. 0
    12 August 2021 19: 48
    Straight BoYan some thought on the tree. Afghanistan is a trap that our partners with the United States built for us - it was their strategic goal.
    "Our correspondent Daria ASLAMOVA has visited Afghanistan, where nostalgia for Soviet times reigns.
    It was in the mountains of Afghanistan. Our car, having fallen into a deep hole on a bumpy road, tilted so hard that I cried out from fright. - the driver giggled with pleasure and, pointing at me with his finger, said: Look, she is afraid! It's you, you're afraid, - interrupted the deputy chief of the local police Akpam. - She is a shuravi (Soviet). And the shuravi are never afraid of anything! I was swollen with pride like a frog, having received this almost forgotten Soviet title as a reward.
    The word “shypavi” in present-day Afghanistan is like a medal for bravery, a rank stronger than a general's, a tribute to sentimentality to a beloved enemy. "
    And there is something in this. I suppose not?
  35. 0
    13 August 2021 16: 29
    There is a feeling that the author of the article, compared to those who are supposed to do it, is a god-level strategist. What kind of Afghanistan is there for our builders of thieves feudalism, they would have to stand for a day, but hold out for the night, and then at least the grass would not grow. They are busy with others, they need to master money, build villas on the Cote d'Azur, yachts, in the end, are not completed yet. What are the interests of him ... the people, what are you the author about.
  36. 0
    15 August 2021 08: 08
    The Americans did the right thing, that they sat at the base and did not go out ... And that they did not build anything for these savages. We have a wide soul, at the expense of our people they built hospitals for these animals, and the schools that they have taken away and do not remember who built what for them.
  37. 0
    17 August 2021 14: 20
    To begin with, the first person to recognize the young Soviet republic was the king of Afghanistan. There have been no misunderstandings between our countries for centuries. As a result, our decrepit Politburo "figured out" before the Soviet troops entered the DRA. Even without any discussion and preparation. And so it began ...
    The fact that we had a hostile state of Afghanistan on our southern borders is the result of a stupid political decision. Thank God that at least they went out without shame. And thanks for that.
    As for the current "Taliban" who has come to power, allow only a diplomatic dialogue with the authorities. There should be no military intervention. Afghans are a specific people and require a careful attitude towards themselves. And given the fact that their country has been tormented by foreign armies for centuries, they deserve this careful attitude towards themselves. Only diplomacy and only taking into account the history, the specifics of this country .. It will be difficult, I do not argue. The Foreign Ministry will have to "sweat", but the main thing is the end result. Shapkazakidatelsvo- ended. Otherwise, blood. A lot of blood.

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