13 years ago, the Georgian army attacked Russian peacekeepers and invaded South Ossetia

On the night of August 8, 2008 (13 years ago), Georgian troops launched a military operation in South Ossetia. At the beginning of the first night, the army units of the Georgian armed forces opened heavy fire from multiple launch rocket launchers.

At the same time, Major General Marat Kulakhmetov, commander of the Russian peacekeeping contingent, was informed about the termination of the ceasefire regime from Tbilisi literally 10 minutes before the attack on South Ossetia. As a result of the shelling of the territory of South Ossetia, servicemen of the Russian peacekeeping contingent were killed and injured. At the same time, Tbilisi at that time sounded a cynical call to the Russian peacekeepers "not to interfere in the situation of maintaining constitutional order on the territory of Georgia."

At the beginning of the fourth morning on August 8, Georgian troops launched an assault on Tskhinvali. The sleeping city was hit by various types and types of weapons, including rocket artillery and armored vehicles.

The Russian side, after the call from the leadership of the RSO and the death of the peacekeepers, entered the hostilities. The operation was called "forcing Georgia to peace."

Then events developed rapidly, and after a while the then Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili nervously chewed his red tie in front of the camera, and then fell to the ground at the sound of a flying Russian Air Force plane.

The Russian army stopped just a few kilometers from Tbilisi. Under pressure from the West, the operation was not completed with the capture of the Georgian capital.

At the end of August, Moscow recognized the independence of the Republics of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

After a while, Mikheil Saakashvili admitted that he decided to invade Tskhinvali in connection with "the support that was expressed to him in the United States." Indirectly, Saakashvili rebuked his American partners for not providing real military support to the Georgian army.

It is noteworthy that initially in Tbilisi they accused Moscow of being the first to start hostilities. Subsequently, the international investigation obtained comprehensive evidence that it was the Georgian side that showed the aggression. By the way, by and large, none of the Georgian military and political elites bore the real responsibility for the death of Russian peacekeepers.

Comments

[Victor_B]

Well you give!
Hailey like that it was Russia that forced the white and fluffy Georgia to open fire on the peacekeepers!
Medvedev lured the tie-expert to attack Yu ...
Saakashvilli did not even have such thoughts, but Putin insidiously got into his brains (by irradiating him through an outlet) and even a foil hat did not help.
You should have worn a pot on your head! Grounding. Portable. Into a bucket of earth.

[Egoza]

Saakashvili admitted that he decided to invade Tskhinvali in connection with "the support that was expressed to him in the United States." Indirectly, Saakashvili rebuked his American partners for not providing real military support to the Georgian army.

This is what the Ukraine does not want to recognize in any way. Promise - they promise, but there will be no help.

[Borz]

Quote: Egoza

Saakashvili admitted that he decided to invade Tskhinvali in connection with "the support that was expressed to him in the United States." Indirectly, Saakashvili rebuked his American partners for not providing real military support to the Georgian army.

This is what the Ukraine does not want to recognize in any way. Promise - they promise, but there will be no help.

For this, the West has come up with a very streamlined wording: "We provide Ukraine with political support at all levels." Nobody will fight for Ukraine and Georgia. Sami, Panove-Genatsvale, yourself.

[TANKISTONE]

Borz

Quote: Egoza
Saakashvili admitted that he decided to invade Tskhinvali in connection with "the support that was expressed to him in the United States." Indirectly, Saakashvili rebuked his American partners for not providing real military support to the Georgian army.

This is what the Ukraine does not want to recognize in any way. Promise - they promise, but there will be no help.


For this, the West has come up with a very streamlined wording: "We provide Ukraine with political support at all levels." Nobody will fight for Ukraine and Georgia. Sami, Panove-Genatsvale, yourself.

Evpati - to rotate, ours are dying! And widows' families, children without a father's upbringing ???

[ccsr]

Quote: Egoza

This is what the Ukraine does not want to recognize in any way. Promise - they promise, but there will be no help.

It is a common practice for them to promise military assistance, but do nothing so that the parties to the conflict do damage to their relations as much as possible, and so that there is another hot spot in their interests. Even in World War II, they followed this tactic for the USSR and Germany until the attack on Pearl Harbor, and then they already had to take our side in that war. But even this did not affect their decision to delay the postponement of the opening of the second foron. As they say about Ukraine, in this case, times change, interests remain, the main thing is that as many victims as possible were from both sides in this civil war. But svidomye still cannot understand this.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: ccsr

times change, interests remain, the main thing is that as many victims as possible were from both sides in this civil war. But svidomye still cannot understand this.

Sorry for the people who died ... But the ending turned out to be quite good. It would be nice to see improved, full-fledged, high-speed option: WITHOUT big losses and stopping in front of "Tbilisi"!

[Real Pilot]

Mikheil Saakashvili admitted that he decided to invade Tskhinvali in connection with "the support that was expressed to him in the United States."

Yes, it was. We have all seen this picture below, but it does not lose its relevance! It clearly shows an example for Ukraine and other Balts hoping for the United States ... Well, and reminds of the unenviable fate of the proud and stupid.

And I will add: today on VO article with the title

"The Afghan army has been trained for 20 years, and it surrenders cities in a matter of days" - Americans comment on the events in Afghanistan

There is something to think about! And here a particular example confirms the general tendency.

[Lech from Android.]

Medvedev then feigned bewilderment for a couple of days.
At that time, Putin at the Chinese Olympics was also waiting for the apple to ripen.
Well, Saakashvili, with the stubbornness of an idiot, walked into a trap for him.
In this story, the Anglo-Saxons behaved most cynically, immediately accusing Russia of aggression, and not even hesitating to cut off the stories of witnesses who told the whole truth in the open air ... it was so disgusting to look at it.

[Olkhovsky]

Medvedev then feigned bewilderment for a couple of days.

Quite the opposite, Medvedev showed decisiveness and gave the order for a military operation, while Putin, as usual, could not make any quick decision.

[Kayala]

Don't tell my sneakers, Medvedev has never decided anything. It was Putin who made the decision for him, and onvamnedimon only put his signature.

[Olkhovsky]

It was Putin who made the decision for him, and onvamnedimon only put his signature.

If Putin had made the decision, he would have conducted a poll, and then a referendum in the SB and Abkhazia, then the approval of the State Duma, the convocation of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation, the issuance of powers, etc., etc. ...

[Kayala]

Do not carry nonsense. Medvedev has never made independent decisions, well, perhaps on minor issues.

[Olkhovsky]

Medvedev has never made independent decisions, well, perhaps on minor issues.

After the decision to send troops, he was no longer given independence in decision-making.
I do not defend Medvedev and do not support his course. But in this case, most likely it was. There has never been one decisive quick decision from Putin, but in August 08 it suddenly happened .. strange, don't you think?

[Olkhovsky]

How many wooden Putin soldiers are there ... I'm on your minuses - purple.

[Alexander Siberia mother]

You are a tic soldier of Ukraine, what have you forgotten here? Ride the Crimea, liberate it, not with your tongue here ... proud Cossacks ...

[Olkhovsky]

You are a tic soldier of Ukraine, what have you forgotten here? Ride the Crimea, liberate it, not with your tongue here ... proud Cossacks

"Better to chew than talk" - (c) it's about you.

[Alexander Siberia mother]

What is wrong with the local water supply? ...

[Olkhovsky]

What is wrong with the local water supply? ...

What do you think ? Although, you think this is apparently from the realm of fantasy.
Come on, justify what it is about the terms about non-brothers. Only logical and consistent. Do your best.

[Alexander Siberia mother]

Hooked inside Ragulskoe?

[Olkhovsky]

Calm down, miserable.

[Alexander Siberia mother]

Glassy, ​​Putin's soldiers ... you are not flawed from the censor even in your vocabulary, the Russian banned in 10 years, thank God, the Russian-speaking daughters of an officer from the Crimea will no longer be on Russian sites ... and you have betrayed the union while you are frolicking ...

[Alexander Siberia mother]

So in which cauldron did the European hiborg serve? ..

[Alexander Siberia mother]

Have taken for lace panties and from them nettles rip off the last panties ... your sale will come back to haunt you, grandchildren will curse

[Alexander Siberia mother]

Why are you writing in a personal and not on the forum? Regarding the glass washer and the Internet and the barn ... well, you’re cool what to say ... I won’t tell you the address from the Siberian barn without a boarding school, I’ll give you a cool pepper ...

[Alexander Siberia mother]

In which cauldron did the warrior of light serve? ... or are you more from the sofa on Russian sites? ...

[Barberry25]

lol, but nothing that 2 BTGs after the exercises with a specialist stood at the tunnel and after the first hours of the war already crossed it?

[KreAtiF]

If you remember the chronology of the event, then you will see that active actions began as soon as Putin interrupted his visit to Beijing.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Kayala

Medvedev has never made independent decisions, well, perhaps on insignificant

Those were great times!
In the morning, President Medvedev could say one thing, and by the evening, Prime Minister Putin politely explained on TV that Dimon was out of sorts, they say he did not get enough sleep, and therefore carried a blizzard.
And so it was all 4 years ...
It is understandable, in principle ... Dimona then was presented with an iPhone, almost new and almost without bookmarks, like Frau Merkel's. And he was so happy that he told everyone what a cool musical system he had at home, what his favorite music album was. And then he bought himself a camera. No matter how Hasselblad ...

[Kayala]

Indeed, there were times, every morning they rained down and wondered what the iPhone had dreamed today ...

[sabakina]

Quote: Kayala

Indeed, there were times, every morning they rained down and wondered what the iPhone had dreamed today ...

I didn’t guess. I survived. Apparently, I am a bird of the wrong flight.

[Shahno]

Nothing, hold on. "Slivers that fly"

[sabakina]

Quote: Shahno

Nothing, hold on. "Slivers that fly"

I'm not a splinter. I am the root.

[Shahno]

God forbid, God forbid. Good luck ..

[sabakina]

Quote: Shahno

God forbid, God forbid. Good luck ..

Thanks. I have not seen God yet, but the Guardian Angel is nearby. Yesterday I talked to him ... it seems ...

[White man]

And I remember him as the Great fighter and tamer of time zones and prices for fuel and buckwheat! Also, sorry, ties with knots are wider than the face.

[Alexander Siberia mother]

Then you are still raguli from Putin's Crimea at 14 are still tormented by phantom pains

[maksbazhin]

Quote: Olkhovsky

Medvedev showed determination

[Lech from Android.]

No, not right away, before the order was given, the Georgians managed to kill a dozen of our peacekeepers and destroy their base with artillery fire, there is a video on the internet where our peacekeepers are hiding somewhere in the room ... and there are already five dead people on the floor.
A couple of days later, our 58th army began to pass through the Roki tunnel, then the headquarters column ran into an ambush by Georgian special forces and suffered losses.
The Americans then decided the issue of striking the tunnel, Thank God they were smart enough not to do this.

[Model101]

Quote: Lech from Android.

No, not right away, before the order was given, the Georgians managed to kill a dozen of our peacekeepers and destroy their base with artillery fire, there is a video on the internet where our peacekeepers are hiding somewhere in the room ... and there are already five dead people on the floor.
A couple of days later, our 58th army began to pass through the Roki tunnel, then the headquarters column ran into an ambush by Georgian special forces and suffered losses.
The Americans then decided the issue of striking the tunnel, Thank God they were smart enough not to do this.

It seems that the night before the attack, our guys from the patrol of the peacekeepers were cruelly cut.

[Barberry25]

in a "couple of days"?

[ultra]

Not a couple of days later, but on the morning of August 8, the BTG of the 58th Army began to move through the Roki Tunnel, and at 16 o'clock the forward units had already entered Tskhinvali.

[fruc]

Lech from Android.
Medvedev then feigned bewilderment for a couple of days.

Forgot about the giant of military thought and strategist without a telephone receiver ngsh N.G. Makarov and the RF Ministry of Defense A.E. Serdyukov. With such a hand. composition, I think the war did not start by accident.

[beeper]

They also "forgot" about the move of the Main Operational Directorate and the General Staff General Staff Department initiated by "Storetkin" on that very day, with the disabling of the warning system and almost all secret communication channels!
So, "from the very top" there was just enough chaos, not immediately the Kremlin "swelled" (if it were not for the responsible initiative of the commanders "on the ground", then this "highest chewing snot" would have turned into even more blood, not counting losses of "military hardware"!)!
And then, already "on the parsing" - an offensive obscenity (the main culprit was against those who saved Russia from shame that time!) "Taburetkin", for which he never answered (as well as for the rest)!

[Pamir]

Aleksey completely agrees. It's not a matter of a specific person, it's a matter of the system. This is just the point, didn't the government and the supreme itch for too long? After all, the intelligence of the FSB, and the one bordering the Armed Forces, did their work? somehow it turned out to be crumpled, and these are unjustified casualties among the civilian population, and the peacekeepers fought only on their own. We have a drawback, I don't know whether the country's leadership, or the clumsiness of the military machine, we are always not quite ready for such things Because in that operation, according to the results of information from various intelligence agencies and the local population, several brigades had to be covertly deployed by hour X, and orders in the Aerospace Forces had to be given more promptly. to let the situation take its course, as it is, to put it mildly, is wrong.In general, the operation was carried out by the Russian Federation well, but only a slow reaction, where was the intelligence data? and orders, while from bottom to top, while from top to bottom, "either the padishah will die or the donkey will die." after all, in such moments, too, in a matter of hours, one cannot concentrate on the lines of a counterattack.
Well, in general, Georgia got what it got.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Pamir

Indeed, in that operation, according to the results of information from various intelligence services and the local population, several brigades had to be secretly deployed by hour X, and in the Aerospace Forces, orders should be given more promptly.

Yes, they could not secretly deploy anything there. There are squares - with a handkerchief, and there is only one way - through a tunnel.
What can you secretly transfer there? Even if everything had been prepared in advance, nothing could have been done without a POLITICAL decision for a REAL military intervention. And Putin, in my opinion, took off from the Olympics on the same day.

[Barberry25]

go to the same place where Alexey .. learn the history .. the first BTG entered the tunnel at the forty-8th hour ..

[ccsr]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Medvedev then feigned bewilderment for a couple of days.

The point is not even Medvedev, but the fact that at this time three civilians Putin, Medvedev and Serdyukov found themselves in a situation where it was necessary to make a military decision, and they were not morally ready for this, which is why a mess began, which continued almost day and all operational decisions were applied in the district.
The danger of this situation lies precisely in the fact that the country's top leadership got confused at this moment and neither the minister nor the General Staff gave clear orders and directives to the district leadership and the commander of the Armed Forces in order to take some coordinated action and avoid losses of the first day war. As they say, it happened at that hour, and if the turmoil was of a large scale, it is difficult to imagine what would happen later.

[demo]

Do you still think VVP is a master at setting traps?
Well, well.
Traps are placed so that the beast is in it. Which is then either put in a cage and taken to fairs, or skinned from him.
Where is the result?
For its own sake, no one (if not a fool) just makes a trap.
At stake is the death of hundreds of Russian soldiers, thousands of peaceful Ossetians, sanctions against the Russian Federation, and is this a trap?

[den3080]

I googled
And discovered a shameless rewriting of history.
It turns out that Georgia gained independence in 1917-18. From the Russian Empire.
And how would it be ... since then it has existed separately. They DO NOT write this way, but this is the “spirit” of articles on the Internet, that is, the story seems to end in 1917 and continues in 1991.
And "people hawala", as they say, especially a young people.

That is why I do not like the "collective west" - they lie as they breathe.
Trust 0.

[knn54]

-After some time, Mikheil Saakashvili admitted that he decided to invade Tskhinvali in connection with "the support that was expressed to him in the United States." Indirectly, Saakashvili rebuked his American partners for not providing REAL military support to the Georgian army.
In the field of promises and incitements, the Anglo-Saxons are ahead of the rest, and the United States does not need a second Georgia.
And the "boys" fled, let Miho, together with his Sakartvelos parliament, fight.

[Pete mitchell]

No highly likely

Quote: Victor_B

it was Russia that forced the white and fluffy Georgia to open fire on the peacekeepers !.

Unfortunately, it must be admitted that in spite of the military victory, the information support of the Russian Federation has lost, and what is even more sad - it is still losing, even with international conclusions. It's good that there is Konoshenkov's department, but information support is different and there is a lot of work to do.

[Alex_Rarog]

And it was notoriously ogrebla ... although laughing at the poor is bad ...

[Beby]

It is also impossible without humor. For example, "Political Fairy Tale": https://sgtmadcat.livejournal.com/24526.html
So far in 3 parts, about: Georgia (2008), Ukraine (2014), Syria (2015).
PS Moreover, these "wretched" hands are covered in blood up to their shoulders - feeling sorry for them, as it were, is also not out of hand.

[210ox]

Let them burn in hell "" Mishiko and ko "

[carstorm 11]

Doesn't your brain explode from conspiracy?)))

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: carstorm 11

Doesn't your brain explode from conspiracy?)))

Who are you?

[carstorm 11]

To the same person you are talking about skiing)

[Babay Atasovich]

So it is not encrypted - the painful "where is the money, Zin ?!" only in the outskirts worth it!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: carstorm 11

the brain does not explode from conspiracy?)))

Didn't you recognize Kaptsov? Dashingly, in an admiral's way, he burst into the DB area on an atomic battleship and fired a volley from the main battery. True, judging by the reaction to this performance, the armor belt itself turned out to be rather weak.

[Lech from Android.]

And what is the purpose of the leadership of the United States, Great Britain, France, etc., what is it?
With wolves to live like a wolf howl ... your comment can be fully applied to the leadership of these countries.

[Murmur 55]

So the goals of enrichment are for each of us, we all want to live richer than now, to live longer, so that the kids live better than us, but what each of us is ready to do in order to achieve these goals is a question for conscience.

[Lech from Android.]

Yes, yes, but only conscience is an abstract concept, you can't smear it on bread and you can't measure it with a tape measure. But she, like a safety device, keeps whom and who does not keep from doing bad deeds ... but in politics, it's all lyrics.
In politics, other instruments of deterrence and balances are used, often very poor ones.

[unhappy]

Oleg, you forgot to mention, the presidents of America (all in white clothes) are disinterested servants of the people. They cannot eat because of injustice and lack of democracy in our country.

[Murmur 55]

Yes, yes, and they (presidents) live in black neighborhoods, go to work on the subway and other public transport, and when they cease to be presidents, they go to work as a cashier at McDonald's al in an analogue of our Five.

[Model101]

Oleg, well, you and the hose ...

[sabakina]

Quote: Santa Fe

Ps. I do not care, I do not live in either Georgia or Ossetia, an outside observer

You are not an outside observer, you:

[Ruslan Sulima]

13 years ago, fugitive Saakashvili was eating a tie ...

[rotmistr60]

Today, the Americans are again intensively arming Georgia, feeding them with promises of joining NATO, which gives some reason for some who did not learn the lesson of 08.08.08 again to talk about returning "their" territories by force. But a repeated attempt at a military adventure will not end with a stop in Gori, which the "hot" Georgian fighters simply need to learn.

[Silver bullet]

All you say is correct, colleague, but one clarification. We stopped not in Gori, but 26 km from Tbilisi, passing the town of Kaspi. At that time, there was practically no connection and the Stop command was barely handed over to the advancing vanguard. "Brave Georgians" in Gori threw away even their personal documents with the equipment. Captured weapons and ammunition were taken out for days.
In the house of the fugitive Defense Minister Okruashvili, they found very interesting documents testifying how our "brothers Ukrainians", bypassing bilateral agreements, sold what they shouldn't have sold. According to these documents, a scandal flared up in the Verkhovna Rada. In general, they found a lot of interesting things there, but that's another story.

[unhappy]

America tried to take Russia "weakly". Sukashvili received security guarantees and believed that he had a strong uncle behind him, who would rush to shed his blood for him. He waited and hoped, he chewed his tie, but Carlson didn’t come

[north 2]

Quote: unhappy

America tried to take Russia "weakly". Sukashvili received security guarantees and believed that he had a strong uncle behind him, who would rush to shed his blood for him. He waited and hoped, he chewed his tie, but Carlson didn’t come

But it was necessary, it was necessary for the Russian troops to ride tanks to Tbilisi.

[datura23]

The shame of the Georgian people has not been washed away, until now

[Shuttle]

Quote: datura23

The shame of the Georgian people has not been washed away, until now

- The experience of history says that Saakashivili come and go, but the Georgian people, the Georgian state remains.

[Ros 56]

Enough to voice this nonsense, the people and the Georgian state have committed this crime, therefore they must be responsible. Look comfortably, I am not me and the house is not mine. You're lying, you'll have to answer for everything.

[Shuttle]

Quote: Ros 56

Enough to voice this nonsense, the people and the Georgian state have committed this crime, therefore they must be responsible. Look comfortably, I am not me and the house is not mine. You're lying, you'll have to answer for everything.

Whole Georgian people have committed a crime? Whole ?! Why, you are imputing collective guilt to them instead of pointing out the true criminals, the true cause of this tragedy.
Of course, the Georgian troops here are not at all on the side of good and light. And yes, specific organizers and perpetrators of war crimes must be held accountable. But not the people!

[Ros 56]

I have my own opinion and life experience suggests that everyone and everyone should be responsible for their share. Don’t fucking do it here, don’t fucking bring your mulk and water here, let them drink until they must ... sya. There will be a lesson for the future.

[White man]

Often, specific coves are hidden behind the "people". This is how to say "we ......." is a lot, but to say "I ...", not many can answer for themselves.

[White man]

after "specific" followed by "at the dishes"

[Shuttle]

Quote: White man

Often, specific coves are hidden behind the "people". This is how to say "we ......." is a lot, but to say "I ...", not many can answer for themselves.

This is exactly what I meant.

[serg.shishkov2015]

for me this day was the moment of truth. I was waiting for my Motherland to behave. there were two options - either once again to wipe off and not * notice * the murders of our citizens, or to respond as any self-respecting country should respond! I calmed down when I learned that our tanks were moving there!

[Zx_spectrum]

Then Dmitry Medvedev did not blunder, but acted adequately.
Medvedev was in power in 2014. then they would have pacified Ukraine long ago.

[1976AG]

Quote: Zx_spectrum

Then Dmitry Medvedev did not blunder, but acted adequately.
Medvedev was in power in 2014. then they would have pacified Ukraine long ago.

What is the adequacy? The fact that for a long time he did not dare to give the order to send troops? And all this time people were dying. An absolutely cowardly position. If Putin had not intervened, it is not known how much he would have pondered.

[Zx_spectrum]

The bear made the decision himself. He talked about this on TV.

[1976AG]

Do you believe him? Me not. And he didn’t explain why he didn’t dare to give the order for so long? There, not only civilians died, but also servicemen of the RF Armed Forces.

[fruc]

His decisions are worthless.

[carstorm 11]

What does long mean ??? At 5 a.m. on August 8, our guards had already been demolished from the Guftinsky Bridge. Two BTG 58 have already entered the battle. You should at least have studied the topic first.

[1976AG]

It is clear to everyone that the ground forces are moving slowly, so the paratroopers should have come to the rescue first, and they appeared there only on August 9. Why? An attempt to unblock our peacekeepers was made by motorized riflemen. Why did the most combat-ready units of our armed forces, which, in theory, are paratroopers, did not come to the rescue in time? Did they fail or were they not given such a task?

[carstorm 11]

What do the paratroopers have to do with it? Yes, even on August 10. Fully equipped BTGs can do much more. They have heavy equipment and operational space. They were already there at Roksky's. Separated from the rest of the forces, they fought in full. Why did you decide that only paratroopers can fight, I personally do not understand from the word at all.

[1976AG]

It is absolutely necessary to read the word carefully. It's about who can come to the rescue faster. Ours were surrounded there, but you do not understand the word at all ... And of course it does not matter to you, you are not surrounded.

[carstorm 11]

Ahh. You supposedly wanted to land?) Is this your message? Remind me that Georgia's air defense was not the worst? And before landing it had to be extinguished? And BTG were already on the march. And excuse me, but the president is not involved in planning. You started with the fact that it was he who thought for a long time.

[1976AG]

And, so our paratroopers can fight when the main forces and means of the enemy have already been destroyed ??? Well, if everything is so complicated with Georgia at the landing party, then what are they for? for landing in the rear of the bandit formations? And then, would you like to say that Georgian air defenses were also on the territory of South Ossetia? And given the mountainous terrain, the air defense coverage is very small, and it is not necessary to land directly over the heads of our peacekeepers, then excuse me, you have so-so argument.

[carstorm 11]

And we drove on a new one ... I passed.

[Roman 57 rus]

The Airborne Forces is the strategic reserve of the Ministry of Defense.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: 1976AG

And, so our paratroopers can fight when the main forces and means of the enemy have already been destroyed ???

Is it news for you that the landing can be carried out only after the suppression of air defense?
Moreover, no one ever conducts a landing at the location of the enemy's main forces. For the result of such avant-gardeism is well known - here it is the Dnieper operation, abroad - "Market Garden". The task of the Airborne Forces is to land behind enemy lines and hold important objects until the army approaches. Moreover, it is advisable for the army to arrive within a couple of days.

Quote: 1976AG

And then, would you like to say that Georgian air defenses were also on the territory of South Ossetia?

And who shot down half of the Su-25 lost in South Ossetia? Remind you - how does the meeting between the IL-76 and the SAM from MANPADS end?

Or do you want to carry out parachute landing in mountainous terrain from an altitude of more than 4000 m?

And most importantly, while the BTGs are loaded and fly to North Ossetia, it will be the evening of 08.08.08. Night landing in the mountains is generally a polar fox with the last stage of obesity. So, the airborne forces will not appear in Tskhinval before 09.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. And by this time the motorized riflemen will reach there.

[1976AG]

Read the comments carefully, I did not suggest landing troops on enemy territory. There were no Georgian air defenses on the territory of South Ossetia. You yourself have invented something for yourself and are trying to attribute these thoughts to me, no need.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: 1976AG

There were no Georgian air defenses on the territory of South Ossetia.

Once again, who shot down two Su-25s? Missing Georgian Air Defense?
But in addition to MANPADS, literally next to South Ossetia there were more serious systems:

Georgian complexes "Buk-M1" and "Osa-AK / AKM" were part of the Air Force and were deployed in Gori, Senaki and Kutaisi.

The Georgian group that invaded South Ossetia, the number of which was approximately equivalent to a division (6 light infantry and 4 tank battalions, up to 8 artillery battalions, plus special forces and the Ministry of Internal Affairs), was covered by a layered air defense system, which included one battalion of the Buk-M1 air defense missile system ", Up to three batteries of the Osa-AK / AKM air defense missile system, a large number of portable air defense systems, as well as some barreled anti-aircraft artillery: 57-mm S-60, 23-mm ZU-23 and ZSU-23-4 Shilka.

© Said Aminov. Georgian air defense during the war in South Ossetia.

Quote: 1976AG

Read the comments carefully, I did not suggest landing troops on enemy territory.

In this case, everything will be like in real life - 08.08.08 2 BTGs arrive in Beslan, 09.08.08 - in South Ossetia.

[1976AG]

"And forgive me, but the president is not involved in planning. You started with the fact that it was he who thought for a long time."
And everything was planned in advance, it was only necessary to give an order.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: 1976AG

And everything was planned in advance, it was only necessary to give an order.

Just don’t talk about planning.
Suppression of air defense - the primary task in all wars of the past 60 years - was forgotten in the plan. They forgot about the Georgian air defense altogether - the intelligence did not even bother to open a UN report on the sale of arms, in which all the sold Buks were painted in black and white. The Georgian radar station, which shone from Gori all the space over South Ossetia and over the Caucasian ridge, worked only on the third day.
They forgot about the interaction of the Air Force with ground forces. About at least the notification of the military air defense about their planes - the same thing.
Reconnaissance guards the exit from the Roki tunnel, and motorized riflemen dashingly roll forward. The commander of the 58th Army flies forward - and flies into an ambush along with the BTG. Security, GPZ - no, they did not hear.
Against the modernized Georgian T-72s, the "bald" T-62s were thrown - no remote sensing, no screens. In addition to them, the same new BMP-1, BMD-1 and ATGM with a 50% launch probability were noted in the war.
The communication is deployed, but the commanders do not know how to use it, preferring the usual mobile phones (they wrote that during the exercises, the regular communication units were not fully deployed due to the framing).
The helicopters were relocated to the old airfield of the helicopter regiment in Tskhinvali only at the very end of the conflict.

We were very lucky that this time the opponents were not the Finns, but the Georgians.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: 1976AG

It is clear to everyone that the ground forces are moving slowly, so the paratroopers should have come to the rescue first, and they appeared there only on August 9. Why?

Because the Airborne Forces also need to be transferred. Two BTGs of the 76th Airborne Division from Pskov arrived in Beslan on 8 August.
And the 7th dshd was used in the Abkhaz direction.

Quote: 1976AG

An attempt to unblock our peacekeepers was made by motorized riflemen. Why the most combat-ready units of our armed forces, which in theory are paratroopers, did not come to the rescue in time

Because the 135 MSR was sitting at the Roksky tunnel from the side of North Ossetia. One battalion of the regiment worked as peacekeepers, and the rest of the regiment was planned to come to the rescue when the situation escalated.
And the Airborne Forces were in Pskov, returning there after the Kavkaz-2008 exercises. And their transfer back took a day.

[Barberry25]

at least someone remembered about 2 BTGs of the 58th Army

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Barberry25

at least someone remembered about 2 BTGs of the 58th Army

You will forget about them, of course.
Well, this is how many copies were broken at one time - why 135 MSR was sitting 25 km from the border, and when exactly he entered South Ossetia.

[Barberry25]

The most interesting thing is that if I'm not mistaken, then the BMP with the photo of the article - from the first BTG - they left the tunnel and it stalled right on the bridge ... and on the other side the Georgians were already digging in ... the crew had to leave the car, pushed it and went on

[Barberry25]

one more "long" .. it took as much as one hour? what can I say .. the brew has finally degraded

[Ros 56]

What could this neither fish nor meat solve, iPhoneya?

[fruc]

Let themselves be pacified.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

***
The battle did not last long:
Timid Georgians fled! ...
---
Demon
Mikhail Lermontov
***

[AsmyppoL]

Yet the situation was somewhat different and Georgia was simply playing its assigned role.
In the United States, there was a point of view that our army was incapable of combat. It was required, among other things, to check this and then play this card in our and foreign media.
Second. Go directly to our borders after the completion of the tragicomedy in the Chechen Republic.

Peace enforcement exercises were held in Georgia. In the Russian Federation, the same exercises were officially held to prevent the planned aggression by amers.
A US representative arrived in Georgia anyway and assured him of success and comprehensive support. For the Georgian military, a peacekeeping contingent of American and other lackey soldiers was supposed to enter.
The time of the beginning of the aggression was specially selected.
A couple of days after our exercises, when our military would have left for their permanent deployment points. When the leadership left for the Olympics.
But our intelligence turned out to be better and our military, participating in the conflict, turned out to be as excellent soldiers as their grandfathers - veterans of the Great Patriotic War.

More details can be found in the article
https://topwar.ru/121519-versiya-odnogo-dnya-konflikta.html

You can skip the beginning of the article ...

[White man]

In the days of my youth and earlier, hooligans had a style: to launch some small bully forward, and then, like, to protect him.

[Shuttle]

... so none of the Georgian military and political elites, by and large, have incurred real responsibility for the death of Russian peacekeepers.

This is where the Novichok cognac would come in handy if it existed. And then he runs and only oxygen is transferred in vain by the tie-eater with his magpie shobla.

[Ros 56]

In vain, of course, they did not reach Tbilisi and put things in order there, and there is absolutely no excuse for this fact -

By the way, by and large, none of the Georgian military and political elites bore the real responsibility for the death of Russian peacekeepers.

Let's not respect ourselves, no one will respect us. There are no people or countries - white and fluffy.

[Prisoner]

"Under pressure from the West, they did not end the operation with the capture of the Georgian capital ..." (c) It would be nice for Georgians to know and understand that nowadays "pressure from the West" Russia is not particularly impressive. Therefore, let them sit on the priest evenly and do not make sudden movements.

[Borisych]

Sabakavshivi

[AlexVas44]

The article is not well illustrated. Logically, in this case, it is better to place a photo of the defeated aggressor, it turned out the other way around.
In the photo, the BMP of the Russian army, without combat damage.
On the morning of August 8, while marching to the aid of the attacked Tskhinvali, a column of the 693rd motorized rifle regiment's forward battalion tactical group across the Guftinsky bridge, the BMP-2 # 005 engine jammed right on it.
For a quick resumption of movement, it was decided to push this BMP off the bridge.
https://forums.vif2.ru/printthread.php?t=1709&pp=10&page=1

[maksbazhin]

And the tone of the article is not good:

Quote: AlexVas44

Then events developed rapidly, and after a while the then Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili in front of the camera nervously chewed his red tie,

You don't have to remember about the mess and about the five lost planes

[Alexey RA]

Quote: maksbazhin

You don't have to remember about the mess and about the five lost planes

There was this too. But the main thing is different - the leadership finally saw the real state of the army not from the bravura reports about the steadily growing combat readiness, but in fact. The last time this happened was in 1940, during and after the SPV.
And what he saw did not make Moscow happy. Soldiers in uniform # 8 on vehicles from the early Afghan era somehow did not coincide with the idea of ​​a modern army. Actually, it was after 08.08.08 that the furniture maker was given carte blanche. For it was no longer possible to wait for the reform of the system from the inside - and so they had been waiting for 10 years.

[ccsr]

Quote: Alexey RA

For it was no longer possible to wait for the reform of the system from the inside - and so they had been waiting for 10 years.

Those. do you want to convince me and others that Serdyukov carried out a qualitative reform of the army, but the military themselves could not do this? Well, you are still that connoisseur of military affairs - many people still hiccup from that reform. One return to the divisions instead of Serdyukov's brigades has already left our army sideways, but about the female battalion of the Ministry of Defense with generals at the head, it's generally a shame to talk about. And you credit this to Serdyukov, not to mention the corruption scandals7 Well, well ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ccsr

Those. do you want to convince me and others that Serdyukov carried out a qualitative reform of the army, but the military themselves could not do this?

The answer to the first question is simple: they wanted the best, but it turned out - as always. Initially, Serdyukov's reform provided for the reorganization of divisions into brigades, equipped with l / s at 85-90%, including the rear and auxiliary units. The personnel are mostly contract soldiers. Such brigades would indeed be fully combat-ready, in contrast to the old divisions, capable of deploying 1-2 BTGs from a regiment.
And then they began to correct the reform, introducing it "within the budget." They reduced the percentage of contract soldiers, reduced the percentage of staffing - and as a result, the brigades were practically in the same condition as the old divisions.
And as for "did not want" - tell me, do you seriously think that the Arbat District would gladly accept the reform, as a result of which some of the officers would be forced to leave the state due to the disappearance of their posts (left over from the times of the USSR), and some - to move from comfortable offices "in the field"? Situation "in battalions, 90% of positions are occupied by wreeds and jackets, but there are no places in the headquarters"suited almost everyone. As well as the situation."300 officers in an army with a total strength of 000, while 1 bayonets can hardly be recruited from all over the country"The skeletons of units and formations scattered throughout the country suited everyone - after all," paper "divisions meant real headquarters.
The Makarov reform was prepared after the First Chechen War. And shelved for 12 years - none of the defense ministers dared to take it.

Quote: ccsr

One return to the divisions instead of the Serdyukov brigades has already left our army sideways

Right. Because the army never received the Serdyukov brigades. Instead of brigades of constant readiness, the army men, together with the financiers, gave birth to something similar to the pre-reform divisions, only slightly more staffed and equipped.

[ccsr]

Quote: Alexey RA

The answer to the first question is simple: they wanted the best, but it turned out - as always.

No excuses needed - this is not a serious answer.

Quote: Alexey RA

... Such brigades would indeed be fully combat-ready, in contrast to the old divisions, capable of deploying 1-2 BTGs from a regiment.

I don't know where you served and what you saw in the Soviet Army, but just in case, let me remind you that in the GSVG, for example, all 25 army divisions in the 80s were fully equipped with equipment, weapons and personnel, but the Berlin brigade is just ridiculous looked against their background, but this was due to the fact that it was specially kept for urban conditions. So if you are not in the subject of the Ground Forces, then do not make hasty conclusions - it is the divisions that have the most optimal staffing, and not the castrated brigades, from which to expect benefits in the field like a goat of milk, if only because they do not have autonomy in providing ... By the way, the divisions in the GSVG were usually 5-6 regimental composition, so there is no need to come up with 1-2 regiments, because all the regiments were combat-ready. We have a rich historical experience of military development, and it should be used, and not monkeyed, taking as an example the structure of foreign armies.

Quote: Alexey RA

And as for "did not want to" - tell me, do you seriously think that the Arbat District would gladly accept the reform, as a result of which some of the officers would be forced to leave the state due to the disappearance of their posts

Do not fantasize - I quit in the 90s, so we had two colonel positions for two years vacant, and they could not find anyone, so they had to be cut according to the order of the Ministry of Defense, although at that time it was still far from Serdyukov's reforms. But when Serdyukoschina began, and many young officers were thrown out of the army, tk. we could not find a position for them, that's when we lost the privilege of generations, from which we still suffer. I saw all this on the example of those structures and parts where I had to serve, and where I am regularly until now.

Quote: Alexey RA

The situation "in battalions 90% of positions are occupied by wreeds and jackets, but there are no places in the headquarters" suited almost everyone. As well as the situation "300 officers in an army with a total strength of 000, while 1 bayonets can hardly be recruited from all over the country."

I don't know whose opinion this is, but I saw a slightly different picture, which differs from the one you give as an example. And I know how foolishly they recruited girls to military educational institutions, instead of using those young officers who are ready to return to the army. I myself saw in one of the capital's military registration and enlistment offices an announcement that a lieutenant colonel's post of a certain VUS was proposed, but service in the Smolensk region, and there were no volunteers. This is what is called the "success of the" Serdyukov "reform?

Quote: Alexey RA

The Makarov reform was prepared after the First Chechen War. And shelved for 12 years - none of the defense ministers dared to take it.

It turns out that Serdyukov was not needed either - would the military themselves cope if they received an order to implement this reform? Or not?

Quote: Alexey RA

Because the army never received the Serdyukov brigades. Instead of brigades of constant readiness, the army men, together with the financiers, gave birth to something similar to the pre-reform divisions, only slightly more staffed and equipped.

I see perfectly well that your idea of ​​ground forces is somewhat naive, and unlike you, I know perfectly well what the strength and weakness of divisions is, and they are much more effective than brigades, if only because they have more deployed support forces for any theater of operations and any enemy. The brigade structure does not even have this close, which means it will have to be strengthened, i.e. again a mess will begin even when working out interaction, when it will have to act in isolation from the main forces, as it can be in local conflicts.
So I don't see Serdyukov's merits in anything, but the harm from his activities is still felt.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ccsr

I don't know where you served and what you saw in the Soviet Army, but just in case, let me remind you that in the GSVG, for example, all 25 army divisions in the 80s were fully equipped with equipment, weapons and personnel, but the Berlin brigade is just ridiculous looked against their background, but this was due to the fact that it was specially kept for urban conditions.

What does the USSR Armed Forces have to do with the RF Armed Forces? You would still compare with the army of 1945.

Quote: ccsr

By the way, the divisions in the GSVG were usually 5-6 regimental composition, so there is no need to come up with 1-2 regiments, because all the regiments were combat-ready.

Once again, what does 1985 have to do with 2008? Let me remind you that the 42nd mechanized infantry division was considered combat-ready. And 19 MSD too. And in fact, they were able to set 1-2 BTG from the regiment.

Quote: ccsr

But when Serdyukoschina began, and many young officers were thrown out of the army, tk. we could not find a position for them, that's when we lost the privilege of generations, from which we still suffer.

Yes, yes, yes, I saw these officers moaning at the VIF: "How dare they transfer me from the headquarters position to the battalion?"
What young officers are you talking about? About former cadets who, only having received shoulder straps, immediately quit? Even in the court division of "young officers" at the battalion level and below there were 1/10 of the state - the rest "chose freedom."

Quote: ccsr

It turns out that Serdyukov was not needed either - would the military themselves cope if they received an order to implement this reform? Or not?

And who will give this order? Which career officer in the post of defense minister will put his pack of comrades, who made this post for him, such a surprise?

Quote: ccsr

I see perfectly well that your idea of ​​ground forces is somewhat naive, and unlike you, I know perfectly well what the strength and weakness of divisions is, and they are much more effective than brigades, if only because they have more deployed support forces for any theater of operations and any enemy

They are also more cumbersome. And there are fewer of them (unless, of course, we are going to throw the entire budget into defense), so that the distance from the PPD to the place of conflict will be greater for them. So while the division gets together and arrives in the kit, everything will be decided. How many 20 mstd from Volgograd to Tskhinvali should have been scheduled to get there?
And if you send it from the BTG division, then how will it differ from the brigade?

In addition, after 08.08.08 our Defense Ministry counted on short-term conflicts like the Georgian one - against small mobile forces of the enemy. Full-scale war in the style of the 80s with tank wedges and carpet bombing at that time it seemed a relic of the past.

[ccsr]

Quote: Alexey RA

What does the USSR Armed Forces have to do with the RF Armed Forces? You would still compare with the army of 1945.

The divisional structure of the ground forces is practically not much different, and even then in terms of support structures, in the main.

Quote: Alexey RA

... And in fact, they were able to set 1-2 BTG from the regiment.

What does the mess of that time have to do with the division's regular structure, if all the regiments are staffed there?

Quote: Alexey RA

What young officers are you talking about?

About those who served in distant garrisons and fell under Serdyukov's reduction - they asked for help at least somewhere to attach, not even to a specialized unit, just not to be thrown out of the army. I knew a lieutenant colonel who graduated from the Perm Aviation in the nineties and agreed to go to the training of signal troops as a platoon commander, being a lieutenant. He retrained, studied and finished the service normally, but he was just lucky, he walked along the command line.

Quote: Alexey RA

And who will give this order? What career officer in the post of Minister of Defense would give his pack of comrades, who broke through for him this post, such a surprise?

You are exaggerating too much - there have always been reductions before, even under Khrushchev, and the military themselves always decided what would be most optimal for the army and what should not be done. For some reason, Serdyukov was not put on health care, like Zurabov - they were burned and understood immediately. But the military men will endure everything, so they appointed the rogue as minister of defense, and this is Putin's personal fault. So there is no need to talk about the "flock" - in the army there are many more smart people serving than someone might think from the outside, and the overwhelming majority of them are not grabbers.

Quote: Alexey RA

They are also more cumbersome.

They are much more powerful, and even in the conditions of our distances, it is precisely such a structure that is more viable than a brigade, being in complete isolation or far from army support structures.

Quote: Alexey RA

So while the division gets together and arrives in the kit, everything will be decided.

The division will have time to pack up and arrive at the site, albeit not in full, but its role from the point of view of the speed of application, after the strike by our VKS, will not play a significant role. War 08.08.08. was supposed to end by the end of August 8 with a massive cruise missile strike from our strategic bombers on Tbilisi - this is obvious to any military professional. But the cowardice of our leadership did not allow us to do this.

Quote: Alexey RA

And if you send it from the BTG division, then how will it differ from the brigade?

In general, it was all at the level of impromptu - as far as I understand, the district command did not have clear instructions on how to act in such a situation.

Quote: Alexey RA

The full-scale war in the style of the 80s with tank wedges and carpet bombing at that time seemed a relic of the past.

It is natural that there will be no tank battles - no one is talking about this. But the structure of divisions allows even a reduced composition of a division in the form of 1-2 combat regiments, to receive not only serious artillery support and reliable air defense, but also to organize the provision of communications, engineering, medical and repair support to combat units. But in a brigade, you will never achieve this due to its castrated appearance - this is obvious to any professional who really knows what a brigade structure is.

[cniza]

After a while, Mikheil Saakashvili admitted that he decided to invade Tskhinvali in connection with "the support that was expressed to him in the United States." Indirectly, Saakashvili rebuked his American partners for not providing real military support to the Georgian army.

The horses do not want to understand this ...

[Marachuh]

But the Americans in that situation would have taken Tbilisi, hanged it on Sakashvilli Square and installed their own puppet government. And we all listen to the opinion of the West ...

[the finish]

A few days ago, a close colleague of Denis Vetchinov from Surgut stayed with us for a short time. Before leaving, I went with the whole family (with three children) and laid flowers at the grave of the Hero of Russia (08.08.08).

[Zx_spectrum]

This was the merit of President and Commander-in-Chief Dmitry Medvedev.

[RoTTor]

In vain they did not finish off the enemies and did not return the land to the RFtdt

[Alexey RA]

Quote: RoTTor

In vain they did not finish off the enemies and did not return the land to the RFtdt

Want to feed Georgia again? Or have they forgotten about its contribution to the USSR budget and subsidies from the same budget? And most importantly, 99% of Georgians will be sure that the Russians have occupied them and have taken away the opportunity to live like in Europe.
Everything was clear with Georgia back in 1989 - "I swear by my mother, yes - the paratrooper chased his grandmother for two blocks, caught up and hacked to death with a sapper shovel".

[Barberry25]

in v. so let them do it themselves at their own expense, and whoever wants to, let him come and receive citizenship, and then you need to check

[Joker62]

Well, what to take from the grant-eater-tie-expert ??? Except for eating ties (apparently very tasty), like rodents in a barn, they are capable of nothing .... And barking from under the fence - yes, here are the masters ... but how they got the lullies - that's all, they smear snot on the fences and complain, that's how aggressive Russia is ...

[Pavel57]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Quote: ccsr

times change, interests remain ...

Sorry for the people who died ... But the ending turned out to be quite good. It would be nice to see improved, full-fledged, high-speed option: WITHOUT big losses and stopping in front of "Tbilisi"!

The lesson from which they learned the benefits for the transformation of the army.

[Egor53]

It is a pity that then Tbilisi was not taken by our troops. And no indemnity was imposed. Adjara should also be split off from Georgia. Otherwise, Georgia has too much of the Black Sea coast.

[SiberianGun]

In general, nothing new and interesting, and even in such a short, simple form, news for stupid ordinary people ...

[xomaNN]

The unbalanced inadequate miho-saka in 2008, with some kind of fright, decided that there would be a load. "blitzkrieg" in two days the capture of Tskhinvali and ... victory! And there - send notes to the Foreign Ministry and discuss it at the UN. But he miscalculated. And after 5 it was left without a navy at sea at all. And finally Ossetia and Abkhazia left.

And for the Russian army it was a good lesson. Miscalculations and mistakes, old weapons and so on. And how after the Russian-Japanese war of 1905-6 in Russia it became a turning point. And a countdown of the real restructuring of the armed forces.
So Miho-saka somehow sideways helped in this matter.

[komandir8]

Almost everything is known about this five-day war, you just need to carefully study the topic and there will be no disputes, speculation and wrangling in the discussion.

[Glagol1]

In July 2008, Condoleezza Rise visited Tbilisi, then all the details of the aggression were finalized, the Georgians were promised a media and political cover, they had to crush 3 militias and a battalion of peacekeepers. To gain a foothold. Well, then to Abkhazia. For the 35 thousandth well-armed and trained contingent, a completely solvable task. But! What is it about? Why did something go wrong? Of course, the defenders of Tskhinvali defended themselves heroically, but they would still be moved by the tenfold superior Georgian army. The instant reaction and the introduction of the 58th Russian army changed everything! And instead of smiles, I had to swallow my tie. Blessed memory of those who died in this 5-day war!

[Wolf]

This EVENT WAS OCHIM HISTORICALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BREAKER OF THE USSR !!!
Historians and political scientists in RUSSIA did not give the FULL AND FULL TRUTH about this event !!!
From the beginning of the war, the campaign of ZLOCHINTS SAKASHVILI and his hosts in the United States was in the rank of GENOCIDE over the people of Ossetia and Abkhazia !!! They planned to clean up the people in a certain area !!! This is a typical war of evil in the style of Hitler's Nazis, when entire nations were destroyed.
EXACTLY SUCH OPERATION THE USA AND THEIR SUPPLEMENTS TO THE TIRED NAZIS IN CROATIA DID 1995. when the Serbian people were cleaned out of the territory of VOENE KRAINI (Serbian Ukraine).
HERE AND HEAD THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT WEAK WHAT WAS MILOSEVICH AND WHICH PUTIN REACTED WITHOUT MISTAKES !!!
The author of the article is a big MINUS between the rest for:
[quote The Russian army stopped just a few kilometers from Tbilisi. Under pressure from the West, the operation was not completed with the capture of the Georgian capital.

At the end of August, Moscow recognized the independence of the Republics of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.] [/ Quote]

NO MOSCOW AND RUSSIA STOPPED IN FRONT OF TIBILISI THERE ARE NO AND FOR PRESSES OF THE WEST AND THAT WOULD NOT HURT THE PEACEFUL POPULATION IN TBILISI !!!

There is one ERROR of V.V. Putin and Medvedev !!!
THEY MUST IMMEDIATELY OBYAVIT SAKASHVILI AND THE POLITICAL AND MILITARY LEADERSHIP OF GEORGIA WILL FIRE CRIMINALS AND PUT THEM IN THE CORNER ROSIS FOR ATTEMPTING GENOCIDE OVER THE PEOPLE OF OSSETIA AND ABKHAZIA !!!
This creature SAKASHVILI should sit for its zlochin !!!
From the military point of view, STRATEGICCHKA The Russian army made a BRILLIANT OPERATION, tactically so for 2-3, there were many gaps. But 90te left a tragedy at the tactical level of the army and the synchronization of the army's actions.

[Wolf]

HERE ABOUT THE IMPORTANT BEHAVIOR OF THE USA AND THE NATURE OF THEIR ACTION ON THE CIVIL WAR IN THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA 1991-1999. !!!
So the United States and their political and military "elita" SHOWED THE WHOLE WORLD THAT THEY ARE WAR CRIMINALS AND EVIL AT THE LEVEL OF HITLER AND THAT ARE GENOCIDAL OPERATIONS AROUND THE WORLD IN THE STYLE OF HITLER AND PUSH THE ORGANIZATION OF THE VOZHYUZHANI VOZHYUZIKA MOVI !!!
In Georgia, the USA SHOWED ITS NAZIESTIC AND CRIMINAL DAY OF DESCRIPTIONS OF THE LOWEST GRADE OF KILLERS !!!

[certero]

Ours stopped not under pressure from the West, but because we didn’t need to take Tbilisi. Although it would be a very nice thing to hang Sahak on a lamppost. However, he most likely would have managed to escape