Italy will invest in the development of a British sixth generation fighter

Italy will invest in a program to develop a British sixth generation fighter. According to the portal defensenews.com, the Italian Ministry of Defense plans to invest 2 billion euros.

The Italian Defense Ministry disclosed the costs of the sixth generation fighter program. According to a document published by the military, two billion euros are allocated to finance the development. At the same time, Italy will incur the main costs from 2027 to 2035, during this period 1,85 billion euros will be allocated.

Prior to that, Italy will allocate 2021 million euros for the Tempest program in 2022, 2023 and 20, and 2024 million euros from 2026 to 90.

Italy officially joined the British Tempest 2019th generation fighter project in 2019. The statement by the country's defense minister was made at the DSEI XNUMX defense exhibition in London. Sweden joined the program earlier.

The sixth generation multipurpose combat aircraft is being created by TeamTempest, which includes representatives from BAE Systems, Leonardo, Rolls Royce, MBDA, Spirit AeroSystems, as well as the British Air Force. According to the strategy, full-scale funding for the project should be opened in 2025. The initial operational readiness of the fighter is planned for 2035, and by 2040, Tempest is to replace the Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft, which are part of the Royal Air Force.

However, Tempest is not the only European project of the sixth generation fighter, another development is being carried out by Germany and France and Spain, which has joined them. Aviation complex of the sixth generation FCAS (Future Combat Air System) should go into mass production also in 2040.

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[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

I read your comments and I remembered anecdote.

Observation deck at the university. There the bikers gather.
Another party.
In one direction, these real guys are bearded, respectable. Harleys stand in a row glistening with chrome, all one to one. The guys are standing calmly, they are rubbing something of their own. Everything is so calm, noble, solid ...
On the other side are the guys in sports. Whack-whack, here and there, they constantly run around, screech, willys, etc., then they will drive off to the store, then they will come like a bee hive, in short.
Then one of them flies up to the guys, stop, smoke from under the wheels ... And asks:
- Guys! Why don't you ever get to know us?
Uncle calmly spitting to the side:
- Why get to know you? .. YOU ARE NEW EVERY YEAR ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: K-266

Too thick, try thinner!

A voice rang out from the dump when a brick flew into it.

[Marachuh]

Come on, don't be shy! Judging by your writing, you took thicker

[Babay Atasovich]

The whole anecdote will fit into the phrase: "Born to fly, tried to crawl!"

[vadim dok]

Which is not yet known and it is not known when it will be! Almost MMM!

[Tusv]

Quote: vadim do

Which is not yet known and it is not known when it will be! Almost MMM!

Why not. Demonstration flight of the Su-57 with the Hunter - This is the sixth generation in my opinion.
Surprisingly, the Americans shot a film in the last century, how their idea knocks all the Su-37 over North Korea. And here on you. Of course, the public display is not yet weapons, but it looks impressive.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Tusv

Demonstration flight of the Su-57 with the Hunter - This is the sixth generation in my opinion.

It's just window dressing. Moreover, it was repeated after the French, who did it 6 years earlier.

[Tusv]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Moreover, it was repeated after the French, who did it 6 years earlier.

Handsome Frenchmen. That's just in the flight of the "Criminal" with the "Okhotnik" there is no manager of the medium-haul pepelats

[OgnennyiKotik]

So this is again + To the French, our intellect, not made with a finger, controlled the UAV in the old fashioned way from the ground.

[Tusv]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

So this is again + To the French, our intellect, not made with a finger, controlled the UAV in the old fashioned way from the ground.

Not. Minus the French. The farthest civilian wi fi is only 250 km. The military probably has more. If Ours control from the "ground" - it's incredible

[RVAPatriot]

I also looked, but the case does not go with pepelatsu, otherwise why is he there ????

[Tusv]

Quote: RVAPatriot (

I also looked, but the case does not go with pepelatsu, otherwise why is he there ????

They make life easier for the Military Organization.

[OgnennyiKotik]

In the first video from the ground, in the second from another plane. This demonstration of possibilities.
Tempest and FCAS are precisely the complexes with the Loyal Wingman UAVs.
XNUMXst French, XNUMXnd British LW

Europeans have been flying analogues of the C-70 for a long time, they are working on new technologies, including the interaction of a manned and unmanned vehicle.
nEUROn, France, 2012

Taranis, England, 2013

[Tusv]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

In the first video from the ground, in the second from another plane. This demonstration of possibilities.

The Yankees put this crap on an aircraft carrier in 2011 and for some reason turned it into an unmanned aircraft refueling tank just a year ago. I like these technology demonstrations. And in our air defense system, Torah and Armor are already taught to beat on the machine. Also not sickly

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Tusv

The Yankees put this crap on an aircraft carrier in 2011 and for some reason turned it into an unmanned aircraft refueling aircraft just a year ago.

This one sat down and took off:

This will go into the series:

[Tusv]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

This will go into the series:

Why suddenly. Americans don't bet on one bird. There, at least the final must be won. by the way a very reasonable system

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Tusv

There, at least the final must be won

Already. X-47B (first photo) lost the competition, the program is closed. MQ-25 (second photo) is made by Boeing, with an iron contract for 4 aircraft, expanding to 72 pieces.
The flying wing design has too many disadvantages.

[Tusv]

Let's assume that I believe you

[aszzz888]

OgnennyiKotik
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Quote: Tusv
Demonstration flight of the Su-57 with the Hunter - This is the sixth generation in my opinion.

It's just window dressing.

and what did the Hebrew netovarischis do in this regard? Yes, yes, criticism of EVERYTHING Russian, and licking the Merikatos boot - you are in the forefront !!!

[Volkof]

Demonstration flight of the Su-57 with the Hunter - This is the sixth generation in my opinion

You can't even imagine how close you are to the truth, but ... on a primitive level ... To talk about planes 5 and 6, you need to know what they are for? Ask anyone on the forum this question, and ... you will not get a single intelligible answer !!! Moreover, the military will not answer this question! This is the case when the plane is, and what to do with it, almost no one knows! In the US, the military lobby is strong, and the interests of corporations are honored and loved by their money, so they rivet this "miracle" and shove everyone for a lot of money ... In Russia, in addition to prestige, they try to answer the question: "What the hell are they needed?" ... and do not find the answer, so they slow down the production of their miracle!

[Tusv]

Quote: Volkof

how close are you to the truth, but ... on a primitive level ... To talk about planes 5 and 6, you need to know what they are for? Ask anyone on the forum this question, and ... you will not get a single intelligible answer !!!

My primitive level is excellent for 250 DB. An excellent border guard was given. Dali and lost count. And that's why air defense is called paramilitary. I think that the service is not a fig not in boots

[Volkof]

I think that the service is not a fig not in boots

And again it is correct, but primitive ... Modern generals are no longer Kutuzovs and not Suvorovs, nothing depends on them in modern warfare, but they do not understand this and are rowing everything for themselves, as it was in the past ... This time has passed. .. The leadership should provide all the necessary units on the ground and teach them how to win ... Modern war is won in real time, and this does not imply late decisions and commands from above ... There is simply no time for this ... And these leaders They have not yet understood this, they are building an outdated model of a multi-level belated general's leadership, which does not work and dooms to defeat at the tactical level without nuclear weapons and super missiles ...

[Tusv]

Quote: Volkof

And again, correct, but primitive ...

In air defense there is nowhere more primitive. If you manage to run, you will fill up, before they have time to fill you up. The difference between a corpse and a winner is one second

[Machito]

I am surprised that the European people of the seventh or eighth generation are not going to build an airplane at once. And why are there trifles?
They would have blinded the fifth generation to begin with.

[Archon]

It is difficult to say why Italy needs a 6th generation fighter in almost the center of Europe.
She will not be allowed to buy Russian planes, regardless of price and quality, and the Europeans most likely will not be able to afford the development. They will continue to buy aircraft in the United States, producing them in cooperation.
Although who knows what will happen in reality?

[knn54]

-However, Tempest is not the only European project of the sixth generation fighter, another development is being carried out by Germany with France and Spain, which has joined them.
Battle for the skies of Europe.

[figwam]

The fifth generation was not done, but immediately after the sixth. Something is not right in the Eurogean kingdom.

[voyaka uh]

Britain + Italy can win if they manage to cram into a new fighter
an engine combining a straight-through engine with a turbo. Rolls Royce shouldn't pump up.
For the new one to be able to economically fly around sound, like the F-35, plus make long
acceleration on a straight-through line.
The Italians have AFAR and other avionics.

[Kayala]

And the Italians also have a Coliseum ...
In order to take on the sixth generation, you need to portray at least something similar to the fifth. And so, dreaming is not harmful. Well, Rolls-Royce naturally does not disappoint and will invent a super nano-atomic engine ...

[voyaka uh]

It is commendable that you have heard about the Colosseum. with two "l" - a cultured person immediately stands out.
But, besides the Colosseum, there is also Leonardo aerospace in Italy - the 8th military-industrial complex in the world.
And she produces a lot of interesting things.

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: voyaka uh

It is commendable that you have heard about the Colosseum. with two "l" - a cultured person immediately stands out.

"Today I'm drunk, and tomorrow I'm sober ... And you, dear, have crooked legs!"

[ultra]

Yeah, only the aircraft does not produce except for the M346, and even that Yakovlevtsy designed inside and out.

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: Kayala

And the Italians also have a Coliseum ...
In order to take on the sixth generation, you need to portray at least something similar to the fifth. And so, dreaming is not harmful. Well, Rolls-Royce naturally does not disappoint and will invent a super nano-atomic engine ...

Handsome@

[Incvizitor]

You can name 6m and you're done.

[Volkof]

Win what? What is a 6th generation fighter? You know ? Russian folktale:
Go there - I don't know where, bring that - I don't know what!
Read ...

[Tusv]

Quote: voyaka uh

combining ramjet with turbo.

It'll just be super duper. In the meantime, in order for the direct-flow dvigun to work, you need to disperse the pepelats up to Mach one and a half. And you wonder why the Yankees don't have hypersound, although Popmeh has been singing about it since 2010. The hardest thing

[Gori]

Quote: voyaka uh (Alexey)

Britain + Italy will be able to win if they manage to cram an engine that combines a straight-through engine with a turbo into the new fighter. Rolls Royce shouldn't pump up.
For the new one to be able to economically fly around sound, like the F-35, plus make long
acceleration on a straight-through line.

Until now, no one in the world since the 80s can make such a combined engine.

[K-50]

Italy will invest in the development of a British sixth generation fighter

The Britons haven't mastered the fifth yet, but are they already doing the sixth?
Or, as in the world of "iPhones", the race for the coolest, even if it has only a "thin frame" of its merits, for that already another generation.

[OgnennyiKotik]

The difference between Eurofighter and the 5th generation is only the lack of advanced stealth. Everything else is there. EF + F-35 will last for several decades, and there are simply no opponents.

[voyaka uh]

Not only. Eurofighter does not have 360-degree situational awareness.
There is no multifunctional radar with built-in electronic warfare.
The closest to the F-35 in avionics is the French Rafale.

[OgnennyiKotik]

The fact that Rafal is more advanced is unambiguous. Affected by the lack of a complex scheme of agreements between several countries. But what you indicated is not on all "fives". EF is at least equivalent to the Su-57.

[voyaka uh]

The new engine for the fighter should have 3 modes:
1) economy mode at transonic speed 0.8- 0.95 MAX.
This speed is optimal for hitting the ground. The mode is embodied in the F-35.
2) cruising supersonic at 1.2 -1.5 MAX. Good for aerial combat
at medium long distance. The regime is embodied in the Su-35, Su-57, F-22.
3) supersonic in ramjet mode of the same engine 2.3 - 3 MAX.
For interceptions, breakthroughs deep into the territory, etc.

So far, the British have advanced the farthest in such a 3-position engine.
They have a working prototype. But is it compact and light enough
for a fighter?

[Andrea]

The MiG-25 gave out Mach 2,8 without any forward flow.

[voyaka uh]

This is true, but the fuel was consumed in a matter of minutes.
The idea of ​​a ramjet engine is to combine speed and efficiency.

[Andrea]

Direct-flow economical? Except in the stratosphere.

[OgnennyiKotik]

The states have been developing the XA100 / 101 for a long time, although there has been no news on them for a long time. Except that NGAD has already taken off, so it's not a fact that RR is a clear leader. I don't think Snecma is sitting idle either. All of them managed to achieve a super cruise on the fighters in which they stand, but fully comparing the EF / Rafale with the F-22/35 is difficult, the difference in generations makes itself felt.
After the end of XB, the most interesting period, the race for the 6th generation, between 4 players: France / Germany, England / Italy, USA, Japan. New players appeared in the 5th generation Turkey and South Korea. India also wants, but there is a lot of skepticism towards them.

[Volkof]

What are your conclusions based on? There is no coherent, generally accepted concept of a 5th generation fighter! Officially does not exist, is not accepted, is not approved. Just a cut of money and something about ... invisibility in the range of existing radars. And you and they are raving for the 6th generation! ... Can you imagine your own ... Just start with tasks and assignments, and then come up with signs for their implementation ... Otherwise, somehow the opposite is true ...Why they are needed, no one knows, but everyone knows what features they must have for this ...As in the above-mentioned fairy tale, but there it is possible ... And here they are again trying to make idiots out of us ...

[Gori]

And how is it superior to the Su-57? Nothing, but on the contrary is much inferior.

[OgnennyiKotik]

About Gori / Grigory 1 / Tonev / Dred / PPSh / Ali / SETSET / I. Vasya, my friend, have you been seen for a long time, how is life going? What's New?)

[Volkof]

Not only in avionics, but also in flight performance, he is the same penguin ... Rafal flies with only 2 or 3 outboard tanks, otherwise his combat radius is less than 600 km without weapons ... And 3 outboard tanks have more fuel than in an airplane ...Cool ?

[Gori]

Quote: voyaka uh (Alexey)

The closest to the F-35 in avionics is the French Rafale.

And the Su-57 surpasses both the F-35 and Rafale in avionics. One radar "Belka" H036 is much superior to both AN / 81 and RBE-2AA.

[Prisoner]

Immediately on the sixth? Apparently the fifth will be done later.

[Sands Careers General]

Why not 27 or 43 generations at once?
By 2473?

[Hazarov]

And how does the 6th generation differ from the 5th? The 5th is like stealth and the career speed is greater than sound at the ground, and the 6th is what?

[Andrea]

Hypersound + hyperintelligence.

[Andrea]

Was it the fifth generation of the small-shavens? Walking wide, the pants are cracked, like the Yankees from the 35th.

[petrol cutter]

It would be necessary to invest in R&D for the seventh generation.
The fifth / sixth is yesterday.
Give the eighth vigorous!
Pilots of such stupid overload will not survive ...

[Vadim237]

Photonic radar materials that will further reduce the visibility of the aircraft.

[rocket757]

Topic for mlien ... but exactly when it will be.

[orionvitt]

Italy will invest in the development of a British sixth generation fighter

These are where they climb. there were solvers of world problems Eat your pasta.

[Ross xnumx]

Italy will invest in development British sixth generation fighter

Not devoid of optimism ...
Does the Royal Air Force have fifth-generation fighters of its own production?
Dazzle takes:
Royal Air Force Training Aviation:

Flying on the German "Coffins" conceived to get into the British ...
So I think - where does the plasticine come from in GB?