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Combat ships. Cruisers. Unlucky perfection

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These ships can really claim the title of the best Japanese light cruisers. And in the world table of ranks, they would have taken a fairly high place. The only thing that overshadows everything - these cruisers turned out to be very unlucky in reality.


But these ships had one interesting difference, which is discussed below.

Initially, these cruisers were planned as scout scouts, but in the end they were repurposed as destroyer leaders. This affected the final appearance of the ships, in the design of which the classic 5500-ton cruisers were taken as a basis, but by the time the work began, they were in service with the Imperial fleet Japan's ships are completely and irrevocably obsolete. Modern destroyers became faster and had a long cruising range, so we had to pay attention to modern destroyer support ships.

Therefore, as soon as Japan withdrew from the London Agreement, the Admiralty immediately began to create cruisers of a new model, fortunately, there were no restraining factors left. As a result, between 1939 and 1945, 13 new cruisers with a displacement of about 6000 tons were supposed to enter service, and almost all entered, but it was not easy. The shipyards were heavily loaded with military orders.

So, in the second half of the thirties in Japan, work began on the creation of new 6000-ton light cruisers. In general, light cruisers in Japan were divided into two classes, "A" and "B". The "A" type cruisers carried stronger weapons, the main caliber was 155mm guns, the "B" class, which was closer to the destroyer leaders, was armed with 140mm guns.

The new type of ships was supposed to replace the light cruisers of the Mogami class, which, by replacing the towers, turned into heavy cruisers armed with 203-mm guns. And the escaping 155-mm guns could be used to arm the ships in shift. Very logical, isn't it?

So "Agano", which was based on the work of Captain Fujimoto on the cruiser "Yubari". The ship was supposed to have a high speed and cruising range, which was quite satisfactory for the Admiralty. It was originally planned to equip it with 155-mm guns in the towers from "Mogami", but this led to a significant increase in displacement and an increase in the size (width) of the ship.

Therefore, they decided to abandon the 155-mm guns, and arm the ships with 152-mm guns, designed by the Vickers company from Great Britain and produced under license. Such weapons were part of the armament of battlecruisers of the "Congo" class as anti-mine artillery.

On the "Agano" it was decided to install eight such guns in four twin-gun turrets. But since the cruisers were supposed to become scouts and destroyer leaders, the number of towers was reduced to three, but the torpedo armament was strengthened by installing two four-tube torpedo tubes instead of three-tube ones.

And this became the final weapons design.

The construction of the ships began in 1940, with the laying of the lead Agano. Construction proceeded at a very slow pace, with priority given to heavy cruisers and aircraft carriers.

The length of the Agano-class ship's hull was 172 m at the waterline, and the maximum was 174,5 m. The width was 15,2 m, the draft was 5,63 m. The standard displacement was 6 614 tons, and the total displacement was 8 338 tons.

Reservation


Reservation of light cruisers, traditionally for Japanese designers, was just light. An armored belt 60 mm thick covered the engine room and boiler room, protecting against 140-mm shells at a distance of up to 20 cables (almost 4 km).

The ammunition cellars were protected by sheets of armor 55 mm thick, the tiller compartment was protected by armor sheets of 16, 20 and 30 mm, the conning tower was armored for the forehead - 40 mm, side - 30 mm, top - 20 mm, rear - 16 mm.

The barbets of the turrets of the main caliber were 25 mm thick, the turrets were 25,4 mm thick, the armored deck was 20 mm, and the bevels of the armored deck were 20 mm.

Power plant


The ship was driven by a power plant of six steam boilers and four Kampon-type turbo-gear units, which rotated four propellers.

The power of the power plant was 104 hp, which easily made it possible to reach a speed of 000 knots. The fuel reserve was 35 tons of oil, which, according to calculations, was enough for 1 miles, but actually 900 miles with 6 cruising knots.


Crew and habitability


The total crew size for the project was to be 649 people, however, as practice has shown, on all Japanese ships the crew size was significantly higher than the design. Mainly due to the increase in the number of anti-aircraft artillery crews. So on the "Agano" the number of the crew was 700 people, and on the "Sakawa" - 832 people.

weaponry


Main caliber

The main caliber consisted, as already mentioned, of six 152-mm guns. These Vickers cannons fired shells weighing 45,4 kg at a maximum distance of 21 km. Combat rate of fire 7-10 rounds per minute.

The two-gun turrets provided an elevation of the barrel up to 55 ° and it was possible to conduct defensive anti-aircraft fire. Such towers were used only on the Agano-class cruisers.

Auxiliary / anti-aircraft artillery

As auxiliary artillery, four of the latest 76 mm Type 98 guns were used in two-gun Mod. "A", also not used anywhere else.

Small-caliber anti-aircraft artillery was represented by six 25-mm Type 96 assault rifles and four 13,2-mm Type 93 machine guns.
Naturally, the number of submachine guns changed over the course of the war. At the beginning of 1944, the cruisers already had 26 25-mm barrels each, in July 1944, the two ships remaining in service already had 52 25-mm barrels, and the final anti-aircraft armament figure was 61 barrels: 10 three-barreled installations and 31 single-barreled.

All ships except Agano received radars.

Mine torpedo and anti-submarine weapons

On the Agano-class cruisers, two four-tube 610-mm torpedo tubes were installed, one on board, which were loaded with Type 93 torpedoes. The devices had a quick reloading system, so the stock of torpedoes was 24 pieces.

In addition to torpedoes, each cruiser had hydrophones for detecting submarines and two bomb releases with 36 depth charges.

Aviation Armament

Each cruiser had a standard Type 1 # 2 Mod.11 catapult and two Kawanishi E15K Type 2 seaplanes.

Combat ships. Cruisers. Unlucky perfection

The set of weapons was not typical for ships of that time. The Agano-class cruisers were significantly stronger than the usual Japanese light cruisers, which had 6-7 140-mm guns, which, moreover, could not all participate in an onboard salvo.

True, the combat service of these ships cannot be called successful.

Combat service


"Agano"

Combat service "Agano" began in December 1942, when, together with the cover group of the aircraft carrier "Zuno", he escorted a convoy with troops to capture the islands of New Guinea. The islands of Vevek and Madang were eventually captured by the Japanese.

Then "Agano" took part in the evacuation of the Japanese army from Guadalcanal.

In November 1943, "Agano" took a direct part in the defense of Rabaul and in the battle in the Gulf of Empress Augusta. The Japanese were then defeated, losing the cruiser Sendai and the destroyer Hatsukadze.

After the battle, returning to Rabaul, November 7, 1943, "Agano" miraculously did not fall victim to a raid from aircraft carriers "Saratoga" and "Princeton", but eventually fought back.

On November 10, the Americans repeated their visit, which was more successful: a torpedo from the Avenger hit the stern of the Agano, pretty much disrupting the steering and engine rooms. As far as repairing the damage, "Agano" went in a convoy to Truk Island, where a large base of the Japanese fleet was located, in order to get up for repairs.

Again, no luck. The Agano was attacked by the American submarine Scamp. After the explosion of the torpedo, the cruiser completely lost speed. Another American submarine, the Albacor, was operating in the area, which tried to finish off the cruiser, but was driven away by the escort ships.

“Agano” was taken in tow by the sister ship “Noshiro” and nevertheless dragged to Truk on November 16.

It turned out that there was no way to repair the cruiser on Truk. And once again patching up the ship and putting it on the move, "Agano" was sent to Japan to be seriously repaired there.

Did not work out. First, Agano received two torpedoes from the American submarine Skat. The ship again lost speed, and the Americans planted two more torpedoes in the cruiser. Perhaps, if not for the strongest fire, the crew could have defended the Agano. However, in fact, the disfigured and flaming wreck of the cruiser was abandoned by the crew, which boarded the destroyer "Fumizumi".

Again, no luck. A few hours later, American torpedo bombers flew into the destroyer and sank the ship with all the crew and guests from the Agano. No one survived.

In general, it is worth noting that the Agano was a totally unlucky ship.

"Noshiro"


After commissioning, the cruiser was appointed leader of the 2nd destroyer flotilla of the Second Fleet. From 23 August 1943, "Noshiro" was based on Truk and was mainly engaged in patrolling.

The baptism of fire took place on November 5 in Simpson Bay, where, as part of a squadron of ships, he tried to resist the American invasion. The crews of aircraft from the aircraft carriers "Princeton" and "Saratoga" bombed the cruiser very well, which received several holes from bomb explosions near the sides.

The cruiser went to Truk for repairs. However, on November 10, "Noshiro" ran into the already mentioned submarine "Scamp", the crew of which fired six torpedoes at the cruiser at once. However, luck was on the side of "Noshiro" and only one torpedo caught up with the cruiser, but it exploded prematurely, causing, however, additional damage. A small storm that began further allowed the crippled cruiser to escape from the submarine.

On November 15, 1943, the Noshiro arrived at Truk, where, having undergone repairs, continued to patrol the islands in the central part of the Pacific Ocean. On November 21, the cruiser went to sea to provide assistance to the tanker "Terukawa Maru", which was torpedoed by the Americans, but did not have time, and the tanker sank.

In early 1944, the cruiser took part in the evacuation of Japanese troops from Kavienga. There he was captured by aircraft from the aircraft carriers Bunker Hill and Monterrey. The "Noshiro" was hit by a bomb in the area of ​​tower No. 2, on the starboard side, damaging the skin and causing a leak. The cruiser had to be sent for lengthy repairs.

In June 1944, the cruiser took part in the Battle of the Mariana Islands. Nominally. The Nosiro's guns did not fire a single shot, the seaplanes did not take off, the torpedoes were not fired. Such a strange participation.

After repair and modernization, "Noshiro" was sent to Admiral Kurita's First Saboteur Strike Force. In October he took part in the battle of Fr. Samar, in which a 127-mm projectile from an American destroyer disabled the stabilized aiming post on the starboard side.

On October 26, 1944, in the Strait of San Bernardino, Admiral Kurita's unit came under attack from the aircraft carriers Wasp and Copens. The first attack on the Noshiro damages the steering. During the second attack, the cruiser receives a torpedo in the stern and completely loses control and loses speed. Further, the third attack turns into simply finishing off a stationary target. The torpedo bombers who arrived from the aircraft carrier Hornet hit the stationary Noshiro five times with torpedoes. The crew does not give up and simply works wonders, fighting for survivability, despite the fact that the engine and boiler rooms are flooded with water.

Two hours later, during the fourth attack, Noshiro receives another torpedo. An hour later, the cruiser goes to the bottom, taking with it 328 crew members.

"Yahagi"


It entered service on December 29, 1943, but the process of re-equipping, equipping and training the crew dragged on indecently for a long time. The Yahagi entered the First Mobile Fleet only in May 1944.

Baptism of fire took place in the Battle of the Mariana Islands. "Yahagi" took a direct part in the battle in the form of a target, like other ships on both sides of the front. The cruiser was not damaged and took part in the rescue of the crew of the Shokaku aircraft carrier.

September 29, 1944 "Yahagi" is part of the Second Night Battle Group of Vice Admiral Suzuki of the First Saboteur Strike Force of Vice Admiral Kurita. Convoys convoys between Singapore and Fr. Luzon.

On October 24, "Yahagi" was in the battle near the island of Sibuyan. At first, it was perforated with bombs by American aviation very qualitatively, causing numerous floods and leaks. The crew coped with the problems, but the speed dropped to 20 knots.

Even in this state, the next day, "Yahagi" drowns the American destroyer "Johnston" with artillery fire. In response, he receives a 127-mm projectile in the bridge and a 250-kg bomb next to the starboard torpedo tube.

Repair was required and the cruiser left for Kura for repairs and upgrades.

Further, "Yahagi" was assigned to the cover detachment of the battleship "Yamato". On April 5, she took part in joint firing with the battleship according to the radar data, and on April 6, the Yahagi set out on her last cruise.


"Yamato" and "Yahagi"

"Yahagi" went to sea on April 6, 1945 to participate in Operation Ten-Go. The last major operation designed by the Japanese Naval Headquarters. A detachment of ships led by the battleship Yamato was supposed to break through to Okinawa, attack the American amphibious fleet, inflict maximum damage on it, and threw itself into shallow water to turn the ships into stationary batteries.

The detachment was tiny: battleship Yamato, light cruiser Yahagi, 8 destroyers. The entire power of the American fleet aviation was thrown against the detachment. The result is known: "Yamato", disfigured by torpedoes and bombs, went to the bottom.


Operation Ten-Go ended there.

The Yahagi, hit by 4 torpedoes and 12 bombs, sank 15 minutes after the first bomb hit.


The cruiser sank before the Yamato, at 14.05. Killed 445 crew members "Yahagi".

Sakawa



The cruiser entered service on November 30, 1944 with standard armament, and on December 7, 1944, she headed the 11th destroyer flotilla of the Combined Fleet.

Based in Singapore, where in early 1945 he transported more than 700 soldiers evacuated from Penang. Sakawa did not go to sea for a long time due to poor crew training.

On March 26, 1945, the cruiser escorted the convoy to Kam Ran, and on 8.04 goes to Maizuru, where the cruiser was partially disarmed by dismantling the catapult and unloading the 152-mm guns. After that, "Sakawa" was included in the air defense of the Naval region of Maizuru.

On July 28, during a raid by American aircraft, the cruiser received minor damage due to close bomb explosions. Sakawa met the surrender of Japan in Maizuru.

After the surrender of Japan, Sakawa is engaged in the transportation of repatriates from Singapore to Nagasaki. This ship was occupied until June 1946, after which the Sakawa was transferred to the American Navy.

On February 25, 1946, Sakawa is part of a squadron of ships that planned to use it as targets in Bikini Atoll.

In March 1946, the ship was transferred from Yokoski to Eniwetok by an American crew of 165 sailors and officers, together with the battleship Nagato. After ten days of crossing, being 560 km from Enewetok Atoll, the battleship failed, the steam boiler began to take water and a list appeared on the starboard side. The Sakawa took the battleship in tow and they reached Enewetok on April 1, 1946.


It is noteworthy that the crew of the cruiser raised a real riot. American sailors, not accustomed to the Spartan conditions on Japanese ships, and even there were 165 of them instead of 325 according to the regulations, rebelled and ruined a large amount of equipment on the ship.

Sakawa and Nagato became the first atomic suicide ships. July 1, 1946, "Nagato" and "Sakawa", together with the American battleships "Pennsylvania", "Nevada", "Arkansas" and "New York" experienced the power of the atomic weapons.

The Able bomb exploded 450 meters above the cruiser's stern. The explosion caused numerous fires, the blast wave destroyed the superstructure and broke the stern. The cruiser burned for more than a day. They wanted to tow the ship in shallow water for study, but after the start of towing, the Sakawa began to sink and almost dragged the tug behind it.

As a result, on July 2, 1946, the former cruiser Sakawa finally disappeared under water.


What can be said as a result? The Agano-class cruisers turned out to be very fast, well-armed and, most importantly, strong ships. The fact that their use was somehow frankly unsuccessful, with the exception, perhaps, of the "Yahagi", which sank the destroyer, otherwise it was somehow quite depressing.

Most likely, the ships have nothing to do with it. Towards the end of the war, the training of the crews of Japanese ships steadily declined, since the imperial fleet simply did not have time to train replacements for those leaving. Building a ship is only half the battle, a well-trained crew is much more difficult.

But in fact, the Agano-class cruisers were the final development of the family of Japanese light cruisers and, according to their data, could have left behind many classmates from France, Italy, Germany and the United States.
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  1. Xlor
    Xlor 11 August 2021 05: 11
    +5
    The construction of heavy surface ships - battleships and cruisers - once again confirms the theory that admirals, like generals, are preparing for the war of the past ... And this applies not only to Japan
    1. Macsen_wledig
      Macsen_wledig 11 August 2021 18: 07
      +2
      Quote: Xlor
      The construction of heavy surface ships - battleships and cruisers - once again confirms the theory that admirals, however, like generals, are preparing for the war of the past ...

      Typical Odessa wisdom: "I would be as smart now as my wife later ..."
      Nobody could have guessed that the role of the main striking force would half-accidentally pass to AB. :)
    2. Biodred
      Biodred 12 August 2021 10: 14
      +1
      Quote: Xlor
      The construction of heavy surface ships - battleships and cruisers - once again confirms the theory that admirals, like generals, are preparing for the war of the past ... And this applies not only to Japan

      Yah. Mixing the enemy with the ground with main battery fire is cheaper than hammering him with aircraft. Especially in the conditions of the Pacific theater of operations. At least until the advent of guided munitions. Because the stock of aviation fuel, even on heavy aircraft carriers, was designed for 5-6 sorties of the entire air group. Just.
      1. Xlor
        Xlor 12 August 2021 10: 49
        -3
        Mixing the enemy with the ground with main battery fire is cheaper than hammering him with aircraft

        Before mixing the enemy with the ground, it is still necessary to approach this very ground.
        The exception is the Papuans with bows and arrows. They have no artillery and can be mixed
        1. Biodred
          Biodred 12 August 2021 11: 17
          +1
          Who argues that you need to approach? But you decided that building artillery ships in front of BB2 was overkill. And at that time it was not an excess, but the norm. Of course, not as the main striking force, which the Yapas perfectly understood, having produced almost more aircraft carriers than everyone else.
          1. Xlor
            Xlor 12 August 2021 11: 51
            -4
            But you decided that the construction of artillery ships in front of BB2 is an overkill

            What an overkill! I'll tell you more - this is a waste of funds for useless battleships and cruisers, which stood in bases for almost the entire war, rusting there like cans ...
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            2. Macsen_wledig
              Macsen_wledig 12 August 2021 17: 51
              +1
              Quote: Xlor
              I'll tell you more - this is a waste of funds for useless battleships and cruisers, which stood in bases for almost the entire war, rusting there like cans ...

              It's good to be smart and beautiful in 85 years ... :)
            3. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 13 August 2021 13: 41
              +2
              You see.
              From 1943 to this day, only one country has an aircraft carrier fleet. By the way, this country from mid-1936 to mid-1941 laid down 10 (ten) new battleships and 1 (one) aircraft carrier.
              Which should lead to the idea that with naval aviation, everything is far from being as simple as you think.
              1. Macsen_wledig
                Macsen_wledig 13 August 2021 16: 01
                0
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                By the way, this country from mid-1936 to mid-1941 laid down 10 (ten) new battleships and 1 (one) aircraft carrier.

                Two...
                Hornet in September 1939 and Essex in April 1941.
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 13 August 2021 17: 06
                  0
                  )))
                  Yes, it turned out a little inaccurate. I usually use the phrase "over 5 years." Wasp April 1, 36th, Essex April 28, 41st. So in 5 full years one Hornet was founded.
  2. SERGE ANT
    SERGE ANT 11 August 2021 06: 02
    +13
    The last major operation designed by the Japanese Naval Headquarters
    The squadron was supposed to repel attacks by American aircraft and reach the landing site of American units on the island of Okinawa. The command of the Japanese fleet was able to find only 2500 tons of fuel for the operation. If the return of the squadron was considered difficult, the ships were ordered to be washed ashore near Okinawa and support the defense of the island with the fire of their guns. The arguments against the suicidal campaign were: the lack of cover for fighters, the great superiority of the Americans in surface ships, not to mention the aircraft, the delay in the operation itself - the landing of the main forces of the American landing on Okinawa was completed. The most powerful ship of the Japanese fleet should was to play the role of decoy. In order to maximize his last voyage, he was assigned a retinue of 9 ships - Yahagi and 8 destroyers. All of them were supposed to serve as a cover for Operation Kikusui - a massive attack by kamikaze pilots on the American fleet at the landing site. Everyone, from the admiral to the last sailor, understood that this campaign would be the last.
    1. SERGE ANT
      SERGE ANT 11 August 2021 06: 04
      +15
      Back on the Yahagi, I gathered all the officers and foremen on the tank. I explained to them the essence of the order received, carefully peering into the faces of each of them. There was tension in the air, of course, but to my surprise and relief, I didn't see any signs of fear or despair on any face. In conclusion, I said:

      - As you can imagine, the order we received is, to put it mildly, not entirely ordinary. Therefore, I want to clarify the following to you. If any of you think it would be better for him to skip this trip, you can leave the ship with the cadets, the sick, and others whom we consider unfit for the task ahead. Therefore, immediately present to my cabin the lists of everyone who is to be removed from the ship.

      In the cabin, I sighed at the photograph of my family and, remembering that most of the Yahagi sailors are family people, I thought how many of them would use the opportunity to check off the ship. I did not give the slightest pleasure the prospect of leading almost 1000 people to certain death. I was sincerely waiting for the list of those written off and wanted it to be bigger, and therefore I was surprised when, entering my cabin, my first-mate captain of the 2nd rank Uchino reported:

      “Commander, here is the list. There are 22 cadets and 15 patients.

      "Is that all, Uchino?" I asked. - And none of the crew wanted to leave the ship?

      - No, commander. Everyone wants to stay and share each other's fate.

      I went up to the deck, where thirty-seven people were built, decommissioned from the ship.

      “You have been ordered,” I announced, “to leave the ship immediately. I am sure that all of you will still have a chance to fight for the cause of our country. Farewell!

      When I turned to leave, a very young cadet jumped out of line, shouting:

      “Mr. Captain 1st Rank, please allow me to stay. I will not be a burden to you. I will do whatever is ordered to me.

      Another cadet was crying bitterly.

      - You chase us because you think that the cadets do not know how to do anything. Leave me at least to clean the latrines.

      And then the whole system exploded with similar requests. To stop this, I announced in an iron voice:

      - There is an order to save your lives, the lives of the commanders of the future fleet. March to the shore!

      In the evening, we invited three divisional commanders and eight destroyer commanders aboard the cruiser for a farewell party.

      Admiral Komura, having become in this case a hospitable host, forgetting sorrows and worries, put out a huge amount of sake from the state stocks. He personally filled everyone's glasses, and our feast quickly turned into a booze, where everyone tried to relax and have a lot of fun. We laughed loudly at old, hackneyed anecdotes, sang songs, performed tricks, demonstrating extraordinary sleight of hand. All this was accompanied by shouts of delight and applause. Meanwhile, the supply of sake was depleted, and no one was drunk. Alcohol did not take anyone. The fun was somehow unnatural. As a result, they began to disperse by about 22:00, leaving 30 large empty sake bottles on the table. Everyone was disgustingly sober as they descended the ladder onto the waiting boats to go back to their ships.
      Hara Tameichi "Japanese Destroyer Commander"
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 11 August 2021 06: 49
        -3
        Quote: SERGE ant
        Hara Tameichi "Japanese Destroyer Commander"

        how wonderful these guys were after all
        1. Nemo
          Nemo 11 August 2021 07: 44
          +15
          Especially Unit 731
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 11 August 2021 12: 27
            +3
            Quote: Nemo
            Especially Unit 731

            The Kwantung Army's Office of Water Supply and Prevention, as well as the Security (Law Enforcement) Corps, are simply better known than others. And so, in that war great guys all Japanese aspired to become.
            1. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus 11 August 2021 12: 33
              +1
              And so, in that war, all the Japanese aspired to become wonderful guys.
              what is it .. I don't remember which Japanese "poet" - "If you eat the enemy's liver! Raw, with warm blood! Then alien to pity, you will conquer the whole world!"
            2. Catfish
              Catfish 11 August 2021 14: 13
              +1
              Good afternoon, Alexey. hi
              And sometimes the work of these "wonderful" guys was very "fruitful".
        2. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 11 August 2021 12: 32
          0
          how wonderful these guys were after all
          Does the phrase "Nanking Massacre" mean anything?
          https://topwar.ru/105391-stony-tysyach-ubityh-kak-krovavyy-princ-izbezhal-nakazaniya-za-nankinskuyu-reznyu.html а лозунг "three to clean"? also?
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 11 August 2021 12: 44
            +6
            Quote: Region-25.rus
            Does the phrase "Nanking Massacre" mean anything?

            where there!
            the words "irony" and "sarcasm" speak much more to me
            you just didn't notice that my words were addressed to a comrade who posted a text from an autobiographical memoir of one of the wonderful Japanese guys.
            1. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus 11 August 2021 12: 45
              -2
              if
              "irony" and "sarcasm"
              then you specified correctly (in quotes) hi
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 11 August 2021 12: 52
                0
                Quote: Region-25.rus
                here you indicated correctly

                Forgive me, but how could you have understood otherwise?
                Have you decided that I am expressing my admiration?
                1. Region-25.rus
                  Region-25.rus 11 August 2021 12: 57
                  -1
                  answered below hi and let's close the topic) And then they will slap a warning for flooding drinks To your answer below -
                  and only then hit from all calibers
                  so as not to accidentally soak the guilty person without fault
                  Sorry, I'm mostly at work feel It happens ))
        3. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 11 August 2021 12: 52
          -1
          oops .. I clicked something wrong and deleted my answer recourse And for some reason I don't see yours, but I remember the content, so I will answer from memory - about
          sarcasm
          You have correctly enclosed in quotes in your answer) And it is immediately clear what was meant.
          and what about -
          where there!
          well, you know, many consider Japan exclusively a country of "noble samurai and beautiful geisha." And they don't know when WW2 or even WWII began request So who knows who you are talking to)
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 11 August 2021 12: 57
            +1
            Quote: Region-25.rus
            So who knows who you are talking to)

            then do a reconnaissance first
            and only then hit from all calibers
            so as not to accidentally soak the guilty person without fault wink
        4. dumkopff
          dumkopff 11 August 2021 13: 42
          +7
          Even one person can be very different. Courage and greed, generosity and sheer sloppiness, kindness and laziness can be fancifully mixed in it. Those. a person can have numerous advantages and disadvantages.
          About the Japanese, especially those times, we can say that they were xenophobes worse than the Nazis, that they are extremely cruel to their own and to strangers. But it should be noted that their soldiers and sailors showed examples of tremendous fortitude, contempt for death, loyalty to the oath and friendship.
          1. White man
            White man 11 August 2021 15: 26
            +1
            Is this a unique Japanese quality?
        5. Catfish
          Catfish 11 August 2021 14: 19
          +1
          Detachment 731 work

          how wonderful these guys were after all

          Yeah ...

          At your leisure, read about the "exploits" of Japanese submariners and the post-war trial of ALL crew members of the cruisers Aoba and Tone.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 11 August 2021 14: 27
            0
            Quote: Sea Cat
            At your leisure, read about the "exploits" of Japanese submariners and the post-war trial of ALL crew members of the cruisers Aoba and Tone.

            tired of explaining
            How about you advise me to read something if you yourself cannot skim through the thread of correspondence?
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 11 August 2021 14: 38
              +3
              So you would put in quotes this word "wonderful" and no one would have any questions. smile
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 11 August 2021 14: 42
                +1
                When you sneer in a conversation, you also warn your interlocutors: "attention, now a joke will fly out"?
                ok, no offense
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 11 August 2021 14: 45
                  +2
                  You can see for yourself how it happens, although "the paper will endure everything." smile
                  Nevermind. drinks
              2. Region-25.rus
                Region-25.rus 11 August 2021 19: 57
                -1
                I have already discussed about the quotes a little lower)) People are often lazy to conclude words and phrases in them, and then they accuse everyone around that they were misunderstood)))
          2. Romka47
            Romka47 13 August 2021 16: 36
            +1
            On Ramree Island in the 45th, crocodiles and snakes paid back a little favor to the samurai for their atrocities.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 13 August 2021 16: 43
              +3
              Well, even crocodiles and those to the Japanese are not very ... smile
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  4. Undecim
    Undecim 11 August 2021 08: 17
    +7
    armored deck bevels - 20 mm

    The Agano-class cruisers had no bevels of the armored deck, the armored deck was flat.

    But there were traverses - fore and aft transverse bulkheads 20 mm thick.
  5. Undecim
    Undecim 11 August 2021 08: 24
    0
    In March 1946, the ship was transferred from Yokoski to Eniwetok by an American crew of 165 sailors and officers, together with the battleship Nagato. After ten days of crossing, being 560 km from Enewetok Atoll, the battleship failed, the steam boiler began to take water and a list appeared on the starboard side. The Sakawa took the battleship in tow and they reached Enewetok on April 1, 1946.

    Here the author got confused in the events. First, the cruiser failed, then the battleship that tried to tow it. As a result, both the battleship and the cruiser arrived at the test site in tow.
  6. Slasherrus
    Slasherrus 11 August 2021 08: 25
    +4
    Here they have a hodgepodge 140mm, 152mm, 155
  7. Undecim
    Undecim 11 August 2021 08: 33
    +2
    The Able bomb exploded 450 meters above the cruiser's stern. The explosion caused numerous fires, the blast wave destroyed the superstructure and broke the stern. The cruiser burned for more than a day.



    Former IJN light cruiser Sakawa after an atomic explosion in Bikini Atoll, July 1946. As you can see, it does not burn.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 11 August 2021 12: 36
      +2
      The logic of the minus is interesting, if they are capable of such.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 11 August 2021 12: 55
        +2
        Understood. Not capable. Yes, a hamster is a heavy cross.
      2. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 11 August 2021 13: 28
        +4
        Not minus))) But I will express my opinion - perhaps the photo was taken after the burnout. There probably was nothing but paint and there was nothing to burn what There was no more fuel left, the more ammunition was unloaded ... well, etc. Although, as far as I remember about the fires, there were fires, deck flooring for example. hi
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 11 August 2021 14: 03
          +2
          Did it say somewhere that there was no fire? The stern actually burned for almost a day.
          1. Region-25.rus
            Region-25.rus 11 August 2021 14: 06
            +2
            As you can see, it does not burn.
            caption under the photo ... or something I didn't understand what
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 11 August 2021 14: 10
              -7
              Oh yes! It was necessary to write - "does not burn anymore." What a demanding hamster went.
              1. Region-25.rus
                Region-25.rus 11 August 2021 14: 13
                +3
                maybe we can do without -
                hamster

                "does not burn anymore"
                it is exactly SO and it is necessary to write that would be understood correctly. And it turns out like Pokrovsky -
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 11 August 2021 14: 14
                  -4
                  maybe we can do it

                  These are the times! Where are we going to get at least 80 percent of the contingent?
                  1. Region-25.rus
                    Region-25.rus 11 August 2021 14: 17
                    0
                    It meant an appeal to me personally. And my request is to more accurately express thoughts, so that there are no discrepancies. hi
                    but about the "minus players from harm", so even I have such "fans" laughing
                    1. Undecim
                      Undecim 11 August 2021 14: 21
                      +1
                      And my request is to express thoughts more accurately

                      Significant remark.
    2. Macsen_wledig
      Macsen_wledig 11 August 2021 18: 25
      +5
      Quote: Undecim
      Former IJN light cruiser Sakawa after an atomic explosion in Bikini Atoll, July 1946. As you can see, it does not burn.

      The Americans, too, do not know anything about a large-scale fire ...
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 11 August 2021 18: 50
        +1
        There is even a documentary footage of the cruiser after the explosion.
        1. Macsen_wledig
          Macsen_wledig 11 August 2021 19: 03
          +3
          Quote: Undecim
          There is even a documentary footage of the cruiser after the explosion.

          There is a whole document - Operation Crossroads. Sakawa (Ex Jap Cl). Test Able.
  8. Castro Ruiz
    Castro Ruiz 11 August 2021 10: 15
    +7
    Very beautiful ships.
  9. Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 11 August 2021 10: 17
    +5
    You can throw slippers at me, but in my opinion, the Italians and Japanese had the most beautiful warships. Purely outwardly, it means hi
  10. sevtrash
    sevtrash 11 August 2021 10: 20
    +5
    All the same, it is surprising how the Japanese were able to build and equip the most modern fleet at that time and use it quite effectively for some time against a country with 5 times the GDP. A national trait of complete dedication to the task entrusted to it? This same trait allows them to still be one of the leaders of the "Western" world?
    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 11 August 2021 11: 03
      +4
      It's still amazing how the Japanese were able to build and equip the most modern fleet at that time.
      well, by the tension of the forces of the whole nation. The hard workers were malnourished, plowed for a penny and not for 8 hours a day. hi That's just Japan then, and Japan
      be one of the leaders of the "western" world
      of course two big differences. But they are still plowing in for wear and tear. Not everywhere, of course, but in large corporations it is unambiguous.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 11 August 2021 13: 14
        +4
        Quote: Region-25.rus
        well, by the tension of the forces of the whole nation.

        And at the cost of weakening the army, which as a result could normally fight only with the Chinese and the colonial troops of the Allies.
        Poor "Sherman", who in Europe was afraid of everything - PTO, "four-lang", "panthers" and "tigers" - in the Pacific Ocean felt himself a "tiger". smile
        1. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 11 August 2021 13: 20
          +2
          in the Pacific Ocean he felt like a "tiger"
          Yes, the Japanese had problems with tanks. Well, the theater of operations for tanks was not a fountain, I must admit. Islands, with their relief and fauna, when the visibility of 15 meters is already steep. And in general I do not understand what Japan was counting on opposing the United States? Well, fortunately for us, the "sea party" in Japan won. drinks
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 11 August 2021 13: 31
            +3
            Quote: Region-25.rus
            And in general I do not understand what Japan was counting on opposing the United States?

            On a lightning-fast crushing blow, after which the lazy, effeminate and cowardly Yankees, shocked by a series of devastating defeats, will go to peace negotiations. smile \
            Quote: Region-25.rus
            Well, luckily for us, the "sea party" in Japan won

            And she could not help but win. Only marginals from the Kwantung grouping were in favor of the Northern option. And it could only go through if the campaign against the USSR was quickly completed (with low expenditure of fuel supplies), which, given the forces of the Red Army concentrated on the Far East, was unlikely.
            The rest of the army and the entire fleet after the oil export embargo by the Allies needed their own Japanese oil, which could only be brought by the Southern Option.
            1. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus 11 August 2021 13: 35
              +1
              drinks thanks)) But I'm aware of the topic. The question was rather rhetorical wink
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 11 August 2021 15: 33
                +2
                Quote: Region-25.rus
                drinks thanks)) But I'm aware of the topic. The question was rather rhetorical wink

                Clear. drinks
                There are many rhetorical questions about Japan. For example, what was Japan counting on trying to in July 1945 to persuade the USSR to mediate in the conclusion of peace with the Allies? smile
                1. Region-25.rus
                  Region-25.rus 11 August 2021 15: 50
                  +2
                  trying in July 1945 to persuade the USSR to mediate peace with the Allies?
                  well, worth a try. "But what if?"[i] [/ i] Or probably the same as the conspirators who "blew up" the unlucky artist and hoped to conclude a peace treaty with the Allies (USA and Britain)
                  And if without laughing then:
                  The case with Japan - with the USSR, of course, there were graters (intervention, Khasan, Khalkhin-gol, multiple provocations, etc.) But this is kind of "annoying little things" like. "The past is kind of overgrown." With Britons and states it is more difficult. They spoiled a lot of blood and nerves for both - they chopped off colonies, melted a bunch of warships (and not only), atrocities against prisoners and many more "goodies". So who could they ask for mediation? by the way, there were timid attempts to ask China for the same ( wassat ). But this is generally beyond the bounds, considering all the arts of the sons of Amaterasu on the lands of the Celestial Empire.
                  The case with Germany - well, a similar situation. To ask for a peace treaty with the USSR after all that we got used to is nonsense! But Soyuznichki, that's another matter! And they are similar in views (Nazism is not Adik's invention), and after WWII the same "allies" poured money into the Reich, and the "gentlemanly" war with Britain ... yes, well, they kicked the Britons from the mainland, well, I drove Rommel in the desert with a towel of the proud sons of Foggy Albion, well, they fought in the air over the islands, well, they thinned out the trade tonnage by letting cargo for lards of money go to the bottom. Well, war is such a war. Well, there are also all sorts of "minor" troubles))) And .... "The Russians are communists! And we are just the opposite." ...
                  somehow I see the situation in a simplified and primitive way hi
                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 11 August 2021 16: 43
                    +2
                    Quote: Region-25.rus
                    The case with Japan - with the USSR, of course, there were graters (intervention, Khasan, Khalkhin-gol, multiple provocations, etc.) But this is kind of "annoying little things" like. "The past is kind of overgrown." With Britons and states it is more difficult. They spoiled a lot of blood and nerves for both

                    This is all clear. But you must agree, it is somehow not very reasonable to continue asking for mediation a country that has just suddenly denounced the neutrality pact and is rapidly building up its army and air force on the border. smile
                    But the Japanese leadership continued to believe ...
                    The Soviet Union is striving to carry out post-war measures in Europe in accordance with the existing situation and to restore the country's economy; at the same time, he continues to adhere to an independent position on the war in East Asia and expects, under favorable conditions, to expand his influence in Manchuria and China.
                    Through successive measures, the Soviet Union is preparing the way through diplomacy in order to be able, if necessary, to oppose the empire; at the same time, he is stepping up military preparations in the Far East. There is a high probability that the Soviet Union will take military action against Japan when the situation is most favorable for this. Considering factors such as the time of the landing of American troops on the territory of Japan itself or in Central and Northern China, the weather conditions for the operation in Northern Manchuria, the degree of concentration of Soviet troops in the Far East, the Soviet Union may enter the war against Japan after the summer or autumn period.
                    It is possible that the Soviet Union, supporting the United States in the implementation of their intentions, at the same time will require us to conclude peace with the United States, with a view to achieving our own goals.
            2. Biodred
              Biodred 12 August 2021 08: 57
              0
              Quote: Alexey RA

              On a lightning-fast crushing blow, after which the lazy, effeminate and cowardly Yankees, shocked by a series of devastating defeats, will go to peace negotiations. smile \


              In fact, this is not entirely true. The Pacific Ocean at that time was in many ways the notorious "Terra incognita". Neither bases, nor logistical support points, nor repair facilities ... After neutralizing the US Pacific Fleet with a series of quick strikes, the Yapi hoped to create a kind of security perimeter that simply would not allow the Americans to conduct hostilities normally, for they were supplying the necessary armada from the territory The United States is unrealistic. However, the Americans, we must give them their due, managed to solve the supply problem by inventing the sea container we all know - a typical logistic unit with a typical nomenclature of cargo in it. After that, the task was reduced to the delivery of the required number of containers. And the Japanese perimeter collapsed.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 12 August 2021 11: 13
                0
                Quote: BioDRED
                The Pacific Ocean at that time was in many ways the notorious "Terra incognita". Neither bases, nor points of material and technical support, nor repair facilities ... After neutralizing the US Pacific Fleet with a series of quick strikes, the Yapi hoped to create a kind of security perimeter that simply would not allow the Americans to conduct normal hostilities, for supplying the armada necessary for such actions from the territory The United States is unrealistic.

                The problem is that the Americans still have bases on the other side of the ocean, on the south side of the Perimeter. The IJA simply does not have the strength to occupy Australia and New Zealand.
                And then the industrial capacity race begins. In which Japan is losing.
                The Great Long War is like death for Japan. Moreover, all of Japan's preparation for the war was designed precisely for a quick victory. Mass training of pilots? No, no, we continue to train a small elite. Escort ships? No, no, we'd better build more ships of the first line.
                1. Biodred
                  Biodred 12 August 2021 11: 23
                  0
                  Sourcing from Australia is almost more fun than directly from the States. Especially taking into account the fact that in Australia the Japs showed themselves well and, with the construction of the perimeter, could have fun there and further. And yet, I totally agree that a truly long war is problematic for the Yap, but it is problematic for the Yankees too. How many flights did their deck pilot have to make before returning to the States? 40? Two things turned out to be fatal for the Japs: the decoding of their Ro code and that very sea container. Without this, the war would have dragged on so much that the Yankees would probably prefer to get out of it.
                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 12 August 2021 13: 38
                    0
                    Quote: BioDRED
                    And yet, I totally agree that a really long war is problematic for the Yap, but it is problematic for the Yankees too. How many flights did their deck pilot have to make before returning to the States? 40?

                    With a training pace of "10 naval aviation pilots per year," this is not a problem. The wheeled aircraft carriers of the Great Lakes can handle it. smile
                    Quote: BioDRED
                    Two things turned out to be fatal for the Japs: the decoding of their Ro code and the same sea container.

                    Hmmm ... somewhere I have already seen this point of view on a unified returnable container as a key to victory - EMNIP, in the comments to "Levels of Depth". smile
                    However, this completely coincides with the classic "starvation strategy": victory at the front is forged in the rear, and technologists and logisticians become the creators of victory, along with the military. In the case of the United States, planning, manufacturability, and mass production proved to be fatal for the Japanese. And the container is just one example.
                    1. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine 14 August 2021 12: 00
                      0
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      Hmmm ... somewhere I have already seen this point of view on the unified returnable packaging as a key to victory.

                      In altistory with progressors? Because in real life a multimodal container is the end of the 50s, they were not even in Korea.
                      1. Biodred
                        Biodred 28 August 2021 13: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        Hmmm ... somewhere I have already seen this point of view on the unified returnable packaging as a key to victory.

                        In altistory with progressors? Because in real life a multimodal container is the end of the 50s, they were not even in Korea.


                        You are confusing the modern container with the then. Modern - yes, a later thing. And so - a typical sea container with a typical nomenclature of contents was invented and used by the Americans in the war in the Pacific theater of operations.
    2. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 13 August 2021 15: 10
      +2
      First, Japan was hypermilitarized at that time. The current DPRK is approximately. There were two such countries then, Japan and the USSR. Secondly, the Americans, on the contrary, did not rattle their weapons at that time. In the interwar period, US military spending was lower, in some years well below 2% of GDP. In this way, the Japanese managed to achieve approximately parity in the fleet in the Pacific theater of operations. Thirdly, the successful for Japan Russian-Japanese and WWI forced the Japanese to look at things with excessive, as it turned out, optimism.

      Well, propaganda, of course. You've probably heard that Americans cannot fight without ice cream.

      And it was true. The Americans really didn't go to war without ice cream. They went on the offensive when they had enough ice cream machines.

      These vehicles were installed on battleships and attack aircraft carriers.
  11. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 11 August 2021 12: 37
    +4
    Wewak and Madang are not islands, but small towns on the northern coast of New Guinea.
  12. BAI
    BAI 11 August 2021 13: 03
    +4
    reach a speed of 35 knots.

    And now we have no one to catch up with the British destroyer, sailing at a speed of 30 knots.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 11 August 2021 13: 18
      +4
      Quote: BAI
      And now we have no one to catch up with the British destroyer, sailing at a speed of 30 knots.

      Duc ... it was necessary to immediately send one of pr.1135 / 1135M - like last time. smile
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  15. Biodred
    Biodred 12 August 2021 12: 46
    0
    Quote: Xlor
    But you decided that the construction of artillery ships in front of BB2 is an overkill

    What an overkill! I'll tell you more - this is a waste of funds for useless battleships and cruisers, which stood in bases for almost the entire war, rusting there like cans ...

    Tell that to the same Guadalcanal, which was treated with artillery more than once or twice. Tell that to plowed Iwo Jima. Tell that to the scorched Tarawa.
  16. Constanty
    Constanty 12 August 2021 18: 52
    0
    The construction of the ships began in 1940, with the laying of the lead Agano. Construction proceeded at a very slow pace, priority was given to heavy cruisers and aircraft carriers.


    This is rather strange information. Japan in 1940 did not build a single (from the word completely) heavy cruisers. The latter, the Tone-class Chikuma, entered service on May 5, 1939.
    The Ibuki was ordered only in October 1941.
  17. Constanty
    Constanty 12 August 2021 19: 27
    0
    But in fact, the Agano-class cruisers were the final development of the family of Japanese light cruisers and, according to their data, could leave behind many classmates from France, Italy, Germany and the USA.
    .
    Here, however, I would mention the Oyodo, the hull of this ship is based on the slightly enlarged hull of the Agano class cruisers.

    I also believe that these ships were, however, weaker than La Galissoniere or even Raimondo Montecuccoli.
    1. Macsen_wledig
      Macsen_wledig 12 August 2021 20: 41
      0
      Quote: Constanty
      Here, however, I would mention the Oyodo, the hull of this ship is based on the slightly enlarged hull of the Agano class cruisers.

      "Oiodo" is a little different coat, as they say ...
      Yes, by type it is a KRL, but by design it is the flagship of the submarine flotillas.
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 12 August 2021 20: 53
        0
        "Agano" is also a specific branch of the KRL - the leader of destroyers, more than a pure cruiser.

        "Oiodo" was the last - and therefore the final, whatever one may say.
        1. unknown
          unknown 14 August 2021 07: 29
          +1
          The cruiser is the leader of destroyers, by the time of WWII, this is already an outdated concept.
          Especially in the Pacific.
          Even in individual confrontation, a rival at least equal in strength, “Agano” is difficult to find. Is that "Atlanta". And even then, at night, at close range, there are more numerous 127 mm against only six 152 mm, placed in ersatz - towers with manual loading ...
          But, the problem is that it is very difficult to meet a lonely American cruiser.
          Basically, they operated as part of a detachment of several cruisers.
          And there may be a homogeneous combination from the Clevelands with their twelve 152 mm guns, or a heterogeneous one from the Brooklyns with fifteen 152 mm guns, heavy cruisers with nine 203 mm guns, and Atlant as a makeweight.
          That is, “Agano” and his sisterships had no chances.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 16 August 2021 20: 06
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            Quote: ignoto
            The cruiser is the leader of destroyers, by the time of WWII, this is already an outdated concept.


            Here's a "scout" and "support for the light forces" (in fact - the leader of the EM) from the other side of the Pacific Ocean. smile
            1. unknown
              unknown 18 August 2021 19: 56
              0
              But, it was never used in this capacity.
  18. Vlad09
    Vlad09 15 August 2021 13: 37
    0
    "Armor belt 60 mm thick covered the engine room and boiler room, protecting against 140-mm shells at a distance of up to 20 cables (almost 4 km)." - A very dubious statement. At a distance of up to 20 cab. an armor-piercing or semi-armor-piercing projectile with a caliber of 140 mm can easily penetrate such a belt. From high-explosive shells - perhaps it will be able to protect. And from armor-piercing - probably at a distance MORE than 40-50 cab.