A new GSD LuWa airborne tankette has been developed for the German airborne troops

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In the future, German paratroopers may be armed with a new tracked tankette. A demonstrator of a new light tracked armored vehicle called GSD LuWa was presented by the German company IABG (Industrieanlagen-Betriebsgesellschaft mbH).

The new armored vehicles were developed at the request of the German Ministry of Defense to replace the aging Wiesel-1 airborne wedge in the airborne troops, the armyrecognition.com portal writes.



A two-track independent suspension is used as the GSD LuWa chassis. The demonstrator is equipped with a Valhalla uninhabited combat module, armed with a 25-mm or 30-mm automatic cannon. The crew is two people, sitting one after the other. Other characteristics were not disclosed.

At present, the German paratroopers are armed with Wiesel-1 aircraft, which have been produced since the late 80s. A total of 1989 cars were produced from 1992 to 345. In 2019, the Bundeswehr allocated funds for the repair and modernization of 196 tankettes of the Wiesel-1 version (Laska-1). It is indicated that the upgraded vehicles will be used as reconnaissance vehicles and as a vehicle for the German Airborne Forces and should serve at least until 2030.

The Wiesel-1 was originally produced in two types: with a 20-mm automatic cannon and with an ATGM "TOU". They are airborne, it is possible to parachute the PMV (on a 4-ton modular parachute platform), however, preference was given to landing airborne assault from aircraft when landing an operational assault force or by helicopter during a tactical assault.
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  1. +10
    6 August 2021 13: 02
    There is something in her, not literally, but the ganomag reminds ... a couple more Fritzes with Schmeisers and ...
    1. +1
      6 August 2021 13: 09
      At present, the German paratroopers are armed with Wiesel-1 aircraft, which have been produced since the late 80s. A total of 1989 cars were produced from 1992 to 345.
      Yes, it's time for the Germans to come up with something newer, if they release new car models like pies.
      1. +5
        6 August 2021 13: 40
        Looks beautiful. 25-30 mm is a serious caliber. Another would be to simplify the chassis, otherwise there are a lot of parts that can fail.
        1. +1
          6 August 2021 14: 07
          The main and only advantage of these machines is below. Dropping into a parachute is nonsense, transportation by helicopter and transport aircraft i.e. air mobility can make sense. But making a separate car is not very adequate. The same cannon can be installed on an SUV or MRAP. Slightly heavier and larger, but more versatile.
    2. +1
      6 August 2021 13: 12
      Quote: rocket757
      There is something in her, not literally, but the ganomag reminds ... a couple more Fritzes with Schmeisers and ...

      the caterpillars were stuck to the Chinese hummer, visually from the old horizontal platform for the module was increased, the Vidocq of course is dandy)
      1. +3
        6 August 2021 13: 23
        A matter of personal perception ....
        1. +6
          6 August 2021 14: 04
          Exactly. smile And I presented further development.
          1. +3
            6 August 2021 14: 34
            A person's fantasy has no limits.
      2. +14
        6 August 2021 13: 24
        Quote: poquello
        visually from the old, the horizontal platform for the module was increased,

        It looks like they just lengthened it at the expense of the front end with two more goslings. Terror of the mechanics wassat

        And how foppishly the three-sided glazing looks. Made for the fight wassat
        True, they and Weisel even in this form happened
        1. +3
          6 August 2021 13: 46
          Quote: NDR-791
          It looks like they just lengthened at the expense of the front end with two more geese


          pay attention to the top left picture
          1. +3
            6 August 2021 13: 54
            Quote: poquello
            pay attention to the top left picture

            Drew. And he was very surprised.
            1. Why then panoramic glazing?
            2. How much heavier it will be with even such an armored capsule? A radically enlarged engine cannot be crammed into this volume. It means that they will donate something.
        2. 0
          6 August 2021 13: 51
          They have their own chip ... the flag is in ... between the rolls.
        3. +1
          6 August 2021 16: 20
          "And how foppish the three-sided glazing looks like"
          Modern bulletproof glass holds 7,62 no worse than the light-alloy hull of our BMD (Airborne Combat Grave, - an army joke). And everything that is the largest caliber is contraindicated for both.
          1. +1
            6 August 2021 17: 32
            Actually-BROTHER'S GRAVE
            1. +1
              6 August 2021 18: 37
              Quote: 113262
              Actually-BROTHER'S GRAVE

              And without armor with its additional weapons and the ability to move quickly and far, the soldier is simply immortal?
        4. +18
          6 August 2021 18: 44
          Quote: NDR-791
          with two more goslings. Terror of the mechanics

          So we decided to bypass the rupture of the tracks. They are not the first
    3. +4
      6 August 2021 13: 33
      Even at first glance it is clear that the car is "good", in the sense of complex, smart and ... not suitable for confrontation with Russia smile
      The caterpillars are narrow, and this whole group of independent suspensions - try to service or, worse than that, repair them in the conditions of spring-autumn mud somewhere “in the field”.
      1. 0
        6 August 2021 13: 50
        Well, it's not for nothing that they and the old ones were released as many as 345 pieces. If the new one is increased in relation to the old one, then the performance characteristics fell or, at best, remained at the level of the old Weisel. Awl for soap ...
    4. +1
      6 August 2021 15: 29
      Last year, when we had NATO exercises near Riga, I overtook a convoy of German armored personnel carriers with crosses on the sides on the highway.
      1. +2
        6 August 2021 15: 50
        This is not erased from the ancestral memory ... there is no way to make us forget what happened then.
        There are instances that are memoryless ... well, they are not ours in essence.
    5. 0
      6 August 2021 20: 07
      At the first moment - the same impression: "Germans love small caterpillars"
    6. +3
      7 August 2021 19: 23
      There was no "Schmeisser" but there was Heipel / Volmer's MP-40 submachine gun and Hugo Schmeisser's STG-44 assault rifle, which Hitler rejected and was never adopted.
      1. 0
        7 August 2021 20: 48
        Oh well, that's the "news".
        Come on, if the name / nickname stuck, you can't tear it off ... and why. Everyone is clear and okay.
        Not at the exhibition / museum we sign plates for captured weapons. And so, plus you for the hint.
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    1. +4
      6 August 2021 13: 28
      Quote: K-266
      In fact, it is a very successful, interesting and promising development.

      Yeah. The crew can only shoot from an ambush and run away from it. Well, or to drive unarmed collective farmers through the fields (and then if it is not very dirty) then a promising
    2. +4
      6 August 2021 13: 32
      Quote: K-266
      In fact, it is a very successful, interesting and promising development. The Germans, as always, are on top. And then we will again talk about different factors why they retreated to the Ural Mountains.

      But in fact, there is something to say about the Fritz wedge heel or is it just a banal desire to insert a bark into each line and evaluate the product without performance characteristics.
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        1. +4
          6 August 2021 13: 48
          Quote: K-266
          728 tanks fielded against 3607 German tanks of the Red Army

          how many planes and artillery did they have, and how many do we have?
          1. +12
            6 August 2021 14: 28
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Quote: K-266
            728 tanks fielded against 3607 German tanks of the Red Army

            how many planes and artillery did they have, and how many do we have?

            and an advantage in infantry support, most of the attacks were taken by German artillery, and the aviation knocked out tanks on the march, and of course
            Quote: K-266
            (including 419 KV and T-34)

            "The 4th Mechanized Corps under the command of Andrei Vlasov (being the most powerful formation in this sector of the front and having 979 tanks at its disposal, including 313 T-34 and 101 KV) reacted too slowly to orders and practically did not participate in active attack actions."
            Quote: K-266
            I hope you know how to use Google.

            We know how to use Google, we also know how to use the brain
            1. +3
              6 August 2021 19: 09
              Quote: poquello
              "The 4th Mechanized Corps under the command of Andrei Vlasov (being the most powerful formation in this sector of the front and having 979 tanks at its disposal, including 313 T-34 and 101 KV) reacted too slowly to orders and practically did not participate in active attack actions."

              So the 4th MK is the 6th A Muzychenko. The commander pulled the corps into battalions to support the infantry and held on to the corps to the last (non-observance of orders at all levels was the scourge of the Red Army in the first half of the war). As a result, for the front-line counterattack from Muzychenko, it was possible to take away only one 8th td.
        2. +2
          6 August 2021 13: 48
          In fact, it was very successful. And then we will again talk about different factors why they retreated to the Ural Mountains.
          What is essentially successful in it is that it is a demonstrator of a new tankette, and in the end, everything may be altered at all. Well, because of these tankettes, we will retreat right up to Vladivostok. And what does the second world have to do with it? You are going to fight with these tankettes with MBT.
        3. +4
          6 August 2021 13: 49
          Quote: K-266
          Well, for example, about such wedge heels won

          And where did they end up with this victory? You are not from Urengoy, by any chance? The Soviet flag flew over Berlin, not the German one over Moscow.
        4. +5
          6 August 2021 13: 51
          Another Ukrainian bot?
          1. +1
            6 August 2021 17: 14
            Another Ukrainian bot?
            well, I know similar ones not even from Ukraine, but from our country (Russia). Even not work I have. And they carry the same nonsense (((
            1. 0
              7 August 2021 06: 18
              It's all sad ...
        5. +12
          6 August 2021 16: 49
          So what? Discovered America that in 41 we got it hard in the teeth? Only for some reason the war in Berlin ended. Just don't talk about "throwing corpses and one rifle for three." (Really sick of it). Well, so dearly beloved by liberal Russophobes, the States got Pearl Harbor in 41st, lost the Philippines on the spot (hello to MacArthur, who abandoned his troops), the fact that for the first almost 2 years Japanese naval pilots beat their American colleagues only with feathers flying. The fact that the British, beloved by the well-known stratum, lost Singapore (having a threefold superiority in manpower, they stupidly surrendered without a fight practically), Burma and a bunch of colonial territories. The fact that she (England) was almost strangled by a naval blockade by submariners of the Kriegsmarine, etc. France, whose army at that time was generally considered the most equipped and efficient and did not last a month (or whatever). technology and weapons (hello Dunkirk) ,. and then make your own "Stan" out of water pipes, and tear apart the museum and old arsenals for arming the militia ... "This is different"
    3. -2
      6 August 2021 14: 12
      Sometimes it's better to chew a bagel than to say something ...
    4. -2
      6 August 2021 14: 35
      In fact, it is a very successful, interesting and promising development. The Germans, as always, are on top. And then we will again talk about different factors why they retreated to the Ural Mountains.

      Ah-ahah))))
      Well, tell us how, with such superiority in technology (as in your wet fantasies), the Germans let the Russians into Berlin? )))))
  3. +6
    6 August 2021 13: 14
    A funny car, everything is amazing in it, from the outlandish suspension to the lack of space for the landing.
    1. +3
      6 August 2021 13: 26
      everything is amazing in it, starting with the outlandish pendant

      I immediately remembered igruha from the 90s Warzone 2100 or Taxi-3
    2. +1
      6 August 2021 13: 29
      Fire support vehicle, why does she need a landing.
      We also have similar ones. Take at least Chrysanthemum - a crew of 2 people.
      1. 0
        6 August 2021 13: 31
        Chrysanthemum has completely different volumes and dimensions.
        1. +1
          6 August 2021 15: 18
          So what? The tasks are about the same fire support. Instead of a tower, they can put an ATGM, they can put some kind of anti-aircraft weapons. It's just a platform.
          Their Wiesel is a very small machine for what was not used as a carrier of an ATGM TOU, with a 20 mm cannon, a self-propelled mortar, an air defense missile system ........:
      2. 0
        6 August 2021 13: 57
        We also have similar ones

        only more and dvuhzvenniki in increasing dimensions DT-3PM, DT-10 and DT-30 Vityaz
        1. +1
          6 August 2021 15: 25
          You will not be enough on them - 300 liters per 100 km.
    3. +2
      6 August 2021 13: 32
      The suspension, in appearance, is rather complicated and VULNERABLE, so I would take to hunt in medium-rough terrain, but there are not enough places ... although stop, guys - this is "TANKETKA"! And our requirements are off scale! Compare with the T-38, T-40! Let him run ...
      1. +1
        6 August 2021 13: 49
        Someone puts machine guns on pickups, but then you understand this .. in a civilized version.
        1. +1
          6 August 2021 13: 53
          Not only DASHKi, but blocks of NURS with MIL ...
        2. +4
          6 August 2021 15: 02
          They put on and experiment, yes:



          And even so:
  4. 0
    6 August 2021 13: 15
    There is a wedge heel in the picture, but there are also airplanes with parachute systems? wassatOr also in the picture?
    1. Cat
      +1
      6 August 2021 13: 31
      They also noted that so far only by landing
  5. +5
    6 August 2021 13: 18
    Unusual appearance. A wide profile is a comfortable target. Windshields are a controversial decision, even if they are armored. Two caterpillar tracks on each side - complicates repairs in the field (for example, when blown up by a mine). In general, there are many controversial technical solutions.
    1. +1
      6 August 2021 13: 27
      Wide profile comfortable target ??????????????
      Why do you think so?
      The car is not high, the crew is only 2 people, which means the dimensions are small. Questions about the tracked mover, but the impression is that the vehicle's clearance is variable.
    2. +1
      6 August 2021 13: 43
      For a couple of tens of minutes I have been looking for what to put her into battle to meet, and I just can't find our analogue. It remains only to roll out against it "SAMUM" with the installation of ZU-23 / 30M1-4,
      but we will have twice the mass and the guns in the side.
      https://topwar.ru/142576-mnogocelevaya-artilleriyskaya-ustanovka-samum.html
      You look at this and start thinking, is it not early that we stopped the production of ASU-57?
      1. +3
        6 August 2021 14: 56
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        You look at this and start thinking, is it not early that we stopped the production of ASU-57?
        If, like the Germans, they also create airmobile divisions (brigades), it might be useful if the Mi-8 can be stuffed. The photo shows our ACS-57 in Prague (Operation Danube, August 1968).
      2. +3
        6 August 2021 15: 21
        Was Samum adopted?
        I read that the Rosgvardia got interested in them and it seemed like they ordered 50 pieces. That's just a question of using against whom?
        1. 0
          6 August 2021 17: 15
          Samum was not accepted, but this German car is also still only a development. I don't really like the samum either, it would have been made on a four-wheeled platform in the form of a trailer or a semi-trailer, but as it turns out, it cannot be unloaded on a car chassis somewhere at the outpost by a helicopter on an external suspension.
        2. 0
          6 August 2021 19: 24
          Quote: YOUR
          I read that the Rosgvardia got interested in them and it seemed like they ordered 50 pieces. That's just a question of using against whom?

          Against those against whom this was applied:

          For VV, this is another gantruck for escorting columns and working in the mountains.
      3. +1
        6 August 2021 16: 20
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        For a couple of tens of minutes I have been looking for what to put her into battle to meet, and I just can't find our analogue. It remains only to roll out against it "SAMUM" with the installation of ZU-23 / 30M1-4,
        but we will have twice the mass and the guns in the side.
        https://topwar.ru/142576-mnogocelevaya-artilleriyskaya-ustanovka-samum.html
        You look at this and start thinking, is it not early that we stopped the production of ASU-57?

        I think even an armored personnel carrier with KPVT will be enough for this "miracle".
        1. +1
          6 August 2021 17: 06
          Of course that's enough, I was looking for the same light and small analog, I did not find it.
          1. 0
            7 August 2021 18: 38
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            Of course that's enough, I was looking for the same light and small analog, I did not find it.

            Why do we need an analogue of such squalor, if our infantry is capable of hitting him with standard weapons?
            1. 0
              7 August 2021 21: 46
              Just looking for fun. Will they take SVD or PKM?
              1. 0
                8 August 2021 10: 54
                ASVK "KORD"
  6. Cat
    +3
    6 August 2021 13: 29
    uninhabited combat module Valhalla

    Mnee .. The term "get to Valhalla" takes on a new meaning
  7. 0
    6 August 2021 13: 33
    The Wiesel-1 was originally produced in two types: with a 20-mm automatic cannon and with an ATGM "TOU".
    Not only, it is more correct to say that the machine is also used in other modifications, for example, air defense missile systems, armored vehicles, ambulances, observation vehicles, and self-propelled mortars.



    As they say, feel the difference, where all the options are a plus, on the BMD platform.

    The new German "tankette" is still not a competitor to our equipment for the Airborne Forces.
    1. +2
      6 August 2021 15: 33
      Equipment for the landing is made taking into account the carrying capacity of vehicles and the size of the cargo compartment. That's why Wiesel is so compact. This means that the new car in height and width from Wiesel should not differ much (transport planes and helicopters, after all, remained the same). It is longer in length, but for some reason they gave part of the volume gained due to the length, under the shafts and the gearbox of the additional wheel drive. An incomprehensible complication of the design, which takes up the already small volumes of the internal space of the machine.
      1. +1
        6 August 2021 17: 38
        Quote: Bad_gr
        That's why Wiesel is so compact.
        The compactness of the "Wiesel" is justified only by its transportation inside the helicopter. Below sen (sen) in his commentary he painted this, speaking about the airmobile parts of modern Germany. What the article is about, this "tandem" chassis, personally puzzles me. What is it made for? The only sensible application is an all-terrain vehicle, but not a combat vehicle, if you evaluate the image.
        To my comment above, for me, our BMD and all equipment based on it, the best in the world, like our airborne forces themselves. This is, if anyone has a misunderstanding in the understanding of the phrase "feel the difference."

        Speaking about the parachute landing, which many consider unnecessary, and some do not even need the Airborne Forces, I will say whether or not such a landing method will be required, but such a possibility should be. Both when landing on enemy territory, and on its own territory, for operational defense or emergency reinforcement. There may not be airfields for the landing method everywhere, and even roads, when time is running out, at our distances. As a supplement, we could use compact vehicles transported by helicopters. Here, probably, it would be possible to revive the ASU-57 in an updated form.
        1. 0
          7 August 2021 01: 19
          Quote: Per se.
          To my comment above, for me, our BMD and all equipment based on it, the best in the world, like our airborne forces themselves. This is, if anyone has a misunderstanding in the understanding of the phrase "feel the difference."

          and why are they better? in fact, the German version, for all its comic, weakness, wretchedness, etc. has MUCH more tactical and strategic use cases, and all just due to the possibility of using VTA with VVPZ (more landing sites, and the ability to return / move troops), our airborne forces are essentially "suicide bombers" (and in quotation marks as well) and therefore, their application is extremely narrowly specialized, but if we had a VTA with VVPZ for our BMD-2 \ 3 \ 4, then our airborne forces would be "the best in the world."
          1. 0
            7 August 2021 08: 06
            Quote: ProkletyiPirat
            and why are they better?
            To everyone, if to the topic of this article, then our BMDs, from BMD-1, which was also appreciated by Vasily Filippovich Margelov, to BMD-4M, and all equipment on their chassis. Lushe our airborne forces and training.

            We can quickly supplement our airborne forces with airmobile formations of the type of forces of the Federal Republic of Germany, we have Mi-26 for transporting our BMDs, there are no special problems to quickly create a kind of "Wiesel" based on the same ASU-57 under the Mi-8.







            But, neither the Germans nor the Americans have and for a long time will not be able to create anything close to the BMD-4M, even the BMD-1.

            Also, here some are shouting about the "land" of Russia, then they do not need the Airborne Forces, although for us they are as important as for the Yankees their Marine Corps (United States Marine Corps). If you do not understand the geographic features of Russia, the specifics of our geopolitical state, in general, the tactics of modern mobile warfare, there is no point in making a "stake" on such a head. All the best, and thank you for your attention.
            1. +1
              7 August 2021 18: 56
              Quote: Per se.
              If you do not understand the geographic features ..., the specifics ... of the tactics of modern mobile warfare,

              well, you study how little mi-26 we have, and what problems it has, problems not in terms of quality \ performance characteristics \ performance characteristics, but in terms of tactics and strategy of application, for example, the fact that it cannot be transported by aircraft, unlike other heavy helicopters , and how this affects the limitations of the capabilities of the Airborne Forces, which in turn results in a confrontation between the Airborne Forces VS DShB with duplication of resource spending on various equipment. In general, move away from the hurray-patriotic slogans and conduct TSIS, then you will understand what is better / worse than these approaches to the Armed Forces.
              1. 0
                9 August 2021 08: 27
                Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                well, you study how little mi-26 we have
                Sergei, we don't have enough IL-76 either. The problem is not that the Airborne Forces are unnecessary, but that there are no or few carriers for the transported equipment. The problem is not yet in the presence of "hurray-patriotic slogans", but directly in the current government, all other problems are just consequences of this.
                1. +1
                  9 August 2021 18: 51
                  so I'm not talking about the quantity in itself, and not about the need-uselessness, I'm talking about the features of the application arising from the peculiarities of technology, in our media this is expressed in the phrase "Airborne Forces VS DShB", and in it (the phrase) "Airborne Forces" and " DShB "is not a kind of troops, and not a subunit, but the approaches to the formation and use of subunits. So the second ("DShB"), having obviously worse equipment, can be more successful in the theater of operations / large-scale operations due to the possibility of working on the "dispersion strategy", "point strategy" and "return strategy" of forces and means, which is impossible in the approach of the "Airborne Forces" ". As I already said, if we had, or at least planned, a VTA with VVPZ for BMD-2 \ 3 \ 4, then this is one thing, but we do not have them and are not planned.
    2. +1
      6 August 2021 18: 12
      you would have shown three projections of the bmd and the wiesel, well, the wiesel does not take the landing, unfortunately we do not have such a baby, there was a su-57, but that's not it
      1. 0
        6 August 2021 20: 27
        Quote: Ryaruav
        Unfortunately, we don't have such a baby, there was a su-57, but that's not it
        From ASU-57 it was quite possible to make a kind of "Wiesel", for its transfer to the Mi-8. It would be something like this.






        In our case, there would already be a trooper inside, even if only 2-3 people. You could also put everything that the Germans did, for example, an ATGM, a mortar, an automatic cannon.
  8. +4
    6 August 2021 13: 47
    A very strange solution of two tracked design. This is justified on articulated machines.
    By car with one body! ??
    For the forced distribution of torque on 2 driving axles, besides, spaced apart extreme front and extreme rear, which complicates and makes the transmission heavier, there are no positive aspects at all ...
    1. +2
      6 August 2021 15: 10
      Maybe if you lose one caterpillar there is an opportunity to continue driving, but this is just my not-so-PROFESSIONAL opinion!
    2. 0
      6 August 2021 20: 13
      Yes, the answer is on the surface! If one truck is knocked down, you can quickly remove it from the other and go to base for a spare wheel for the first truck! And so on ad infinitum!
  9. +4
    6 August 2021 13: 49
    The GSD LuWa chassis uses a two-track independent suspension.

    what If the propeller was combined, as it is now fashionable, with replacement for wheels, like goslings (snow groomers) for ATVs or SUVs. For example, when moving a log across the course, the log on the starboard side will fall between the front and rear tracks. Extra nodes for transmitting torque to as many as four stars of the drive. As the mechanics say: the fewer parts, the less breakage.
  10. +1
    6 August 2021 13: 53
    It seems that they are not going to fight much on this machine, if unprotected hydraulic hoses are visible along the sides behind the track. They will hardly go far with perforated hoses.
  11. 0
    6 August 2021 13: 53
    Unreliable suspension .. Overly complicated suspension ..
  12. sen
    +1
    6 August 2021 13: 57
    I have already seen such twin tracks in the TM 2000 magazine N5

    But there are supposed to have two engines - front and rear.
  13. sen
    +4
    6 August 2021 14: 01
    In Germany, the 26th and 31st airborne brigades are an integral part of the special operations division (DSO, number of 8000 people), i.e. they are included in the special operations forces (MTR) or otherwise in the special forces (SPN).
    Since the military-political leadership of the Federal Republic of Germany believes that the Airborne Forces are not needed for the army, because the airborne division (helicopter infantry) is better able to cope with the tasks that were previously assigned to them.
    26th ("Saarland") and 31st airborne brigades. In each: 2500 people, headquarters, two airborne battalions (950 people each), one airborne support battalion, reconnaissance company, engineering company, headquarters company. The battalion consists of a headquarters, a supply company (platoons: special, service dogs, communications and medical), three airborne companies, a heavy weapons company and a training company. The support battalion consists of a headquarters company, a heavy and light supply company, a medical and sanitary company. The armament of the brigade: 44 ATF2 "Dingo" armored vehicles, 30 tracked armored personnel carriers "Wiesel-Mk20", sixteen 120-mm self-propelled mortars based on "Wiesel", 48 portable launchers ATGM "Milan", 60 portable launchers ATGM "Tou", 20 self-propelled launchers ATGM.
    https://bukren.my1.ru/Ware/VDV_Russia.doc
  14. +3
    6 August 2021 14: 22
    Interestingly - a two-track scheme with two driving wheels, two boxes or a clutch board on each side - and this is just to maintain mobility?
    In fact, these are two chassis for the price.
    What was wrong with the Wiesel-1 scheme?

    The logic of building the rear bogie is not entirely clear - why is there a guide wheel (ilder) in the train, while it was possible to "mirror" the front bogie - both have three road wheels.

    I think this is just a demonstrator of technology - too complex a four-wheel drive transmission scheme.
    For almost the same money, you can build two chassis with a front or rear drive wheel.
  15. 0
    6 August 2021 14: 36
    As always, the Germans are not looking for easy ways.
    Okay, but always damn hard.
    1. 0
      6 August 2021 15: 13
      Exactly! The famous chess arrangement of the wheels on the Panthers and Tigers is immediately remembered !!!
  16. +3
    6 August 2021 14: 42
    Some kind of children's creativity.
    How was this allowed to be embodied in metal?
  17. +4
    6 August 2021 14: 52
    Even a 7,62mm machine gun will destroy the entire hodovka of this monster in one burst.
    1. -1
      6 August 2021 14: 57
      Quote: Lontus
      Even a 7,62mm machine gun will destroy the entire hodovka of this monster in one burst.

      In which there is a HUGE doubt ... and the 7,62 mm machine gun will immediately receive a response with a 30 mm caliber
    2. 0
      6 August 2021 15: 04
      No, well, if in the garage for every fireman, then he will probably trample .. We must look if she swims and eats lope.
    3. 0
      6 August 2021 23: 10
      All you need is a machine gun! From SVD it is necessary to try first.
  18. -1
    6 August 2021 14: 56
    The gloomy German genius, and here, invented something ... but, there is something in this winked
    1. +2
      6 August 2021 18: 06
      in their Bundeswehr it is no longer him (the gloomy genius) but she
  19. 0
    6 August 2021 15: 02
    "Drobnenkaya" somehow ... And "machine gun" is rather weak.
  20. +2
    6 August 2021 15: 08
    Quote: K-266
    In fact, it is a very successful, interesting and promising development. The Germans, as always, are on top. And then we will again talk about different factors why they retreated to the Ural Mountains.


    O!!!! Hike, in ward # 6, the round of doctors ended, all were punctured and their telephone checks were returned, the patients were not bored ... Scarecrow !!!! How can you compare the technique of the Second World War and now? However, the statement, sho this koropchenka is comparable to the cars of 1941 - ochchchen even in the subject. And there is nothing to add. Current for djurmans this turned out to be the most offensive kament. Did you even understand that yourself, what did you say? ...
  21. 0
    6 August 2021 15: 09
    Quote: axxmanm
    Some kind of children's creativity.
    How was this allowed to be embodied in metal?


    We drank the budget and closed the topic.
  22. +1
    6 August 2021 16: 07
    Quote: NDR-791
    Well, it's not for nothing that they and the old ones were released as many as 345 pieces. If the new one is increased in relation to the old one, then the performance characteristics fell or, at best, remained at the level of the old Weisel. Awl for soap ...

    Why Weisel, if Wiesel with a long sound And?
  23. +3
    6 August 2021 16: 10
    each track is individually driven by an electric motor.
    Driving without one caterpillar is possible.
    1. 0
      6 August 2021 18: 26
      Do you think that if this one caterpillar is defeated, nothing else will suffer !?
  24. 0
    6 August 2021 18: 04
    wiesel great car for airborne
    1. 0
      7 August 2021 10: 32
      So, just looking at this car, I realized for what purpose a 9 mm sniper rifle might be needed.
  25. 0
    6 August 2021 18: 18
    The running system is too complicated for military equipment. Stalingrad-42 taught the Fritzes little.
  26. 0
    6 August 2021 18: 55
    An interesting concept from a technical point of view.
    Diesel generator, electric drive for 4 leading, with subsequent modifications, it has a right to life.
    1. +1
      6 August 2021 23: 02
      According to this scheme, this concept has no right to life. This is according to the same scheme of the Yo-mobile from Prokhorov. And the reason for the failure will be the same. Low efficiency when transferring from the engine to the wheels due to additional losses on the generator and electric motors. If it does, it will go slowly. From a technical point of view, a disastrous project turns out to be, unless a miracle happened and a generator with the highest efficiency and no less perfect electric motors appeared.
  27. +1
    6 August 2021 20: 05
    It looks kind of creepy, to be honest. Smells like the Third Reich.
    I just want to bang seeing this wundewaflu.
    1. 0
      6 August 2021 23: 04
      From a T-62 gun at one of the many rollers?
      1. -1
        7 August 2021 17: 56
        Weaknesses are immediately visible. And RPG-7 is enough to turn it into a blazing fire.
        1. 0
          7 August 2021 21: 49
          Only a modern tank can be protected from RPG hits. There is no need to talk about light cars. Most likely, this cart will not even withstand a 7,62 mm machine gun or SVD.
          1. +1
            10 August 2021 12: 38
            RPG for sure))
            I noticed at least 3 weak points that can be hit even by an infantryman))
            1. 0
              10 August 2021 13: 28
              The 9-mm self-loading rifle SVDK chambered for 9x64 or microwave chambered for 8,6x70 mm now does not seem to me to be empty entertainment, it is possible that such tankettes are just for them.
              Something a lot of non-armored vehicles got divorced.
              1. 0
                10 August 2021 16: 51
                These are anti-sniper developments. Not for armor.
                There are funds for booking.
                1. 0
                  10 August 2021 16: 53
                  We understand this, but I read recently that the Germans are developing control containers with armor designed to withstand a 7,62 caliber SVD shot.
  28. 0
    6 August 2021 20: 54
    Quite a high profile, an excellent target for a grenade launcher.
  29. 0
    7 August 2021 12: 47
    Rzhu pancake from Kamentov ... literally on Days, some furiously rolled around both the 30mm module and the typhoon security for the Airborne Forces ...
    They say he drank some money and it’s not what he needs, and they say he will smear the car with any Bradley with a Marder from his 25-30 mm, and does not hold 9 kg of a mine ...

    And it turns out the Germans are also stupid and saw the loot? Think about the stupid 30mm they put, what kind of chassis ... and if you also google the armor ... the old Wiesel had 8 mm of steel armor ...

    How is comfort for the crew there?
    How about the review?
    How about the maintenance and maintainability of the pumps?

    Answer to yourself WHAT size of Srach would begin If such a pepelats ours for the Airborne Forces would be rolled out ???

    In short, looking at all this, I draw a conclusion, our Typhoon is a good device with sufficient versatility and flexibility of use in specific airborne troops.
    1. +1
      7 August 2021 17: 57
      What is the Airborne Forces for you?
    2. +1
      7 August 2021 21: 53
      The Typhoon has a weight of 14 tons; this is a car of a completely different class of protection and capacity.
      And a comrade who wished protection from a mine of 9 kg is inadequate.
  30. +1
    7 August 2021 19: 27
    Quote: Pechkin
    In fact, it was very successful. And then we will again talk about different factors why they retreated to the Ural Mountains.
    What is essentially successful in it is that it is a demonstrator of a new tankette, and in the end, everything may be altered at all. Well, because of these tankettes, we will retreat right up to Vladivostok. And what does the second world have to do with it? You are going to fight with these tankettes with MBT.

    It may be successful that she is ultimately blinded without a crew
  31. +1
    8 August 2021 17: 24
    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
    Just looking for fun. Will they take SVD or PKM?

    Not, I think, like our armored personnel carriers, they shoot 7,62 × 54. But all that is more - for sure. The same KPVT 15 cm of concrete - right through. A wedge heel does not live long.
  32. 0
    9 August 2021 13: 31
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Lontus
    Even a 7,62mm machine gun will destroy the entire hodovka of this monster in one burst.

    In which there is a HUGE doubt ... and the 7,62 mm machine gun will immediately receive a response with a 30 mm caliber

    Here urry-scorers-minusists for some reason always forget that the Germans usually put masterpiece sights from Zeiss and others like them and are able to cut 30-mm programmable projectiles with controlled detonation for the entire GDF / Oerlikon range of bunches, and from 7,62 also you need to get there, and as far as I remember, the ZSU-23-2 does not differ in particular accuracy and they fire from them what is called on a whim
  33. 0
    10 August 2021 17: 32
    Quote: Intruder

    It is clear that the ATGM will destroy this "miracle", but if you can get by with a machine gun, why waste the good?
    Machine gun is just cheaper bully , but it is not always possible to drag it to the hump, or simply have it in place, with the appropriate ammo, as well as an IED with remote detonation, the cheapest thing that can be done in the evening before lights out, in almost any combat conditions .. if straight arms and there is knowledge, or the teachers are good! Yes

    Well, we also loved SVU - on business and not very much laughing Instructor MTD (mine and demolition work, if that laughing ) we had a cool one! His name was simply Uncle. Sorry, died, they say in another war sad
  34. 0
    10 August 2021 17: 35
    Quote: Sands Career General
    What is the Airborne Forces for you?

    It seems to me that now even the General Staff does not know for sure laughing

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