In the West: The superiority of the Russians in terms of the S-500 air defense system is that neither the United States nor China has anything like it, even in the long term

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The Western press is actively discussing the tests of the newest S-500 Prometheus anti-aircraft missile system, carried out not so long ago in Russia, which will soon begin to enter the Russian air defense forces. British (Scottish) expert Morton Shillingford expresses his opinion on this matter.

According to Schillingford, "if you believe the characteristics of the S-500 voiced by Russian officials, then this is a truly unique air and missile defense system."



It is unambiguously superior to all existing air defense missile defense systems in the world.

The West also adds that "the superiority of the Russians in terms of the S-500 air defense system is that neither the United States nor China has anything like this, even in the future." In particular, they noted the possibility of the Prometheus missiles to destroy targets at any "atmospheric" altitudes at which airplanes, helicopters and missiles can fly, as well as at "space" heights - that is, in near space. In the second case, Western experts speak of the S-500 as an anti-satellite weapons.

Indeed, if the S-500 "Prometheus" air defense missile system is capable of destroying targets at altitudes up to 200 km, then it is capable of at least disrupting the work of enemy satellite groups. For example, in the case of a military operation of NATO countries against Russia, the calculations of the S-500 air defense system are capable of destroying satellites that are affiliated with satellites of the global positioning system (for example, GPS), which will reduce the effectiveness of the anti-Russian operation to a minimum. It was noted that without a satellite navigation system "there will be problems with the accuracy of the use of weapons, including missiles." The GPS satellites themselves are at altitudes unattainable for the air defense missile system, but there are a number of signal "repeaters" that may already become available targets.

Morton Shillingford:

The S-500 anti-aircraft missile system clearly outperforms both the American Patriot Advanced Capability 3 and the Russian S-400 of the previous generation.

During the discussion of modern (hypothetical) warfare, special attention is paid to the satellite component. And this is understandable. After all, the technologies of the combat use of one or another weapon are often linked to the need to accurately determine the coordinates of the target. When the enemy satellites are disabled, this activity will be significantly hampered.
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  1. +7
    6 August 2021 11: 26
    "The S-500 anti-aircraft missile system is clearly superior to both the American Patriot Advanced Capability 3 and the Russian S-400 of the previous generation."

    How long it takes to get stupid ... amazing recourse
    1. +14
      6 August 2021 11: 31
      He doesn't know anything about the S-600 yet. laughing lol fool
      1. -51
        6 August 2021 11: 40
        If you believe the declared characteristics

        This is key to understanding the issue. Considering how it was written here that our air defense systems "successfully fired back" at "calculated points", "targets" a la the 80s of the last century and free-fall parachutes, then .... well, you know ... , I agree, another "no analogue in the world." Yes
        1. -17
          6 August 2021 11: 42
          SAM S-500 can destroy satellites that are affiliated with satellites global positioning system (e.g. GPS)

          What a lovely evasive wording, my compliments. However, it is hardly possible to disable GPS without destroying the GPS satellites, which is 20 km (000 times further).
          1. KCA
            +11
            6 August 2021 11: 55
            We read more carefully - satellites that are affiliated with satellites (affiliated - attached, interconnected), they write the same - repeaters in lower orbits
            1. -9
              6 August 2021 11: 55
              Quote: KCA
              We read more carefully - satellites that are affiliated
              I read it so carefully that I underlined it.
              1. KCA
                +5
                6 August 2021 11: 59
                So if the repeaters are launched, it means that it is not just that, it means that the signal from the satellite itself does not reach the consumer, or an unstable and weak reaches the consumer, and the GOS KR, and even more so the controlled projectile will not be targeted at it
                1. -4
                  6 August 2021 12: 12
                  Quote: KCA
                  So if the repeaters are launched, then it is for a reason

                  The author, alas, did not provide any links to evaluate neither their tasks, nor the very existence of such a thing as a "GPS repeater in orbit" in principle. GPS repeaters exist, but terrestrial ones are used to relay a signal from the surface (where there is a line of sight to GPS satellites) indoors.
                  1. +5
                    6 August 2021 13: 06
                    Quote: military_cat
                    The author, alas, did not provide any links to evaluate neither their tasks, nor the very existence of such a thing as a "GPS repeater in orbit" in principle.

                    What for? Like mattresses in PR? They widely advertised the Patriot and in the end? Saud how much dough from handicraft missiles, which the Patriot missed, lost?
                    Moreover, C 500 (600, 700, 100500) are optional, recalling the cries of the West about the violation of GPS for 100+ km during the normal operation of electronic warfare (how they yelled that evil Russia had confused all their plans) ...
                    1. -3
                      6 August 2021 13: 57
                      If you cite links to sources of assertions this is "like in PR", then I am for such PR.
                      1. +1
                        6 August 2021 14: 16
                        Quote: military_cat
                        If you cite links to sources of assertions this is "like in PR", then I am for such PR.

                        So what are you unhappy with? That the detailed performance characteristics of the C500 have not been revealed to you? Why the heck?
                      2. +1
                        6 August 2021 14: 23
                        No, not this, but the fact that they did not specify what specific "GPS-affiliated satellites" are being discussed, what their tasks are, are they not just "straw stuffed animals" with which it is convenient to fight in a journalistic article.
                      3. 0
                        6 August 2021 14: 42
                        are they not just a "straw scarecrow" with which it is convenient to fight in a journalistic article.

                        And even if so? AND? SOI remember? So what's the problem? Now let the mattresses at N speed turn on their FPS machine, once again devaluating your candy wrapper
                      4. +1
                        6 August 2021 16: 57
                        The West understands. Are angry. They're cowardly. And this is good! smile
                      5. +1
                        6 August 2021 19: 18
                        Quote: kot423
                        And even if so? AND? SOI remember? Now let the mattresses at N speed turn on their FPS machine

                        Not all nonsense is good for disinformation. If we scare the mattresses that we can shoot down satellites that they do not have, instead of those that they have, the reaction to this will only be ironic.
                      6. 0
                        7 August 2021 05: 50
                        Quote: military_cat
                        that we can shoot down satellites that they do not have, instead of those that they have, the reaction to this will only be ironic

                        Are you confident in your statements? What we can - announced, but how - why the heck give the information for the "partners"? Let it twitch and build conjectures.
            2. +7
              6 August 2021 17: 50
              Low Earth Orbit:
              from 160 to 2000 km These are reconnaissance satellites, remote sensing satellites and some telecommunication satellites, satellites are usually located at an altitude of at least 300 km - if lower, then the lifetime in such an orbit will be too short.

              Medium high orbit:
              From 2000 to 35 000. These are, for example, GLONASS satellites at an altitude of 19 400 km, GPS - 20 180 km, and Galileo - 23 222 km.

              Geosynchronous orbit:
              35 786 km. Mostly telecommunication satellites are located here.

              A high elliptical orbit has no elevation delimitation. These are usually scientific companions.

              At altitudes less than 300 km, there are almost no satellites:
              • 120-130 km - a satellite in a circular orbit with such an altitude can make no more than one revolution.
              • 150-180 km - orbital perigee altitude of the first manned space flights.
              • 200 km - the lowest possible orbit with short-term stability (up to several days).
            3. +1
              7 August 2021 16: 48
              probably it means the military analogue of gps. the Americans have a drone-based positioning system over the theater of operations. there the accuracy is much better than gps.
            4. 0
              9 August 2021 08: 17
              There are also ground correction stations there. Scattered all over the world. In the Russian Federation, too. I'm talking about Navstar.
          2. -10
            6 August 2021 11: 58
            What a lovely evasive wording, my compliments. However, it is hardly possible to disable GPS without destroying the GPS satellites, which is 20 km (000 times further).

            Just think, the circle of scatter, when the missile hits the target, will increase 100 times)))
            What nonsense, right? )))
            1. -5
              6 August 2021 12: 14
              Quote: lucul
              the circle of dispersion, when the missile hits the target, will increase once in 100)))
              Why?
              1. +1
                6 August 2021 12: 47
                Why?

                Yes, because the base GPS satellites are too high, and more accurate positioning requires
                satellites that are affiliated with satellites of the global positioning system (e.g. GPS),

                Let me remind you that America (in the 90s) asked to place Russia, to place towers (bases) on its territory for correcting GPS satellite positioning. Without these towers, the GPS positioning accuracy dropped to hundreds of meters))) And if you remove the "affiliated satellites", then the positioning accuracy can be plus / minus 1 km, if not more)))
                1. +1
                  6 August 2021 12: 58
                  Correction stations increase accuracy because their location is constant and constant, with their help, the trajectories (ephemeris) of GPS satellites are tracked and refined. How is GPS accuracy improved with other satellites that are not tied to any point?
                  1. +3
                    6 August 2021 15: 38
                    Quote: military_cat
                    Correction stations

                    They are installed on the surface of the Earth and are called differential correction stations. The article deals with affiliated satellites, which serve as conventional retranslators to improve GPS sweep stability.
                    1. -1
                      6 August 2021 18: 08
                      Tell me, do you know how GPS works? Signals from satellites (where there are generators on the atomic clock) in the receiver are compared by the time of reception. If you relay them via satellite, then the principle of operation breaks down, since they do not go in a straight line, but along a longer trajectory that introduces a delay.
          3. 0
            6 August 2021 13: 13
            What a lovely evasive wording, my compliments. However, it is hardly possible to disable GPS without destroying the GPS satellites, which is 20 km (000 times further).


            I also drew attention to this .. it's not clear what I'm talking about .. but the sediment remained ..))
          4. +4
            6 August 2021 13: 16
            It is difficult to destroy completely and very expensive, complicate the application, distort the work and reduce the accuracy, this can be ... also not cheap, but in a local, controlled area, without any problems at all, with the existing electronic warfare systems.
            1. 0
              6 August 2021 14: 18
              Electronic warfare is, of course, an obvious solution. But this is another story that has nothing to do with knocking down satellites from orbit by a missile defense system.
              1. 0
                6 August 2021 14: 42
                Any problem should be considered as a complex, all possible options.
                After all, we fantasize more, not having full information about what plans, scenarios the military has.
          5. -1
            6 August 2021 14: 42
            Do you catch the difference between 20000 km and 200 km? The border of near space? Do not write nonsense.
        2. KCA
          +7
          6 August 2021 11: 50
          Have you ever read about the tests or so, just to write cho? The shooting was at a target imitating RSD, what kind of parachutes?
        3. +7
          6 August 2021 12: 00
          Quote: Snail N9
          "successfully fired back" at "calculated points", "targets" a la the 80s of the last century and free-fall parachutes, then .... well, you know ...
          I may be dumb, but I don't understand. Judging by your post, you think that while creating such weapons, their tests are carried out only against old targets, because it is easier and more convenient to confirm the declared characteristics and announce the next "unparalleled world", in your words? smile And the whole world should support this nonsense and demonstrate understanding? Doesn't this statement of yours seem strange to you?
          1. +4
            6 August 2021 12: 05
            Doesn't this statement of yours seem strange to you?

            Well, it is customary for respectable citizens to rejoice at the successes of Russia.
            For him, the successes of Russia cause gnashing of teeth and irritation, and therefore throws on the fan)))
          2. +4
            6 August 2021 12: 31
            And he generally doesn't give a fuck, he just wants to write some nasty thing. And who, what and how experienced him does not care.
        4. +3
          6 August 2021 12: 04
          Quote: Snail N9
          And yes, I agree, another "no analogue in the world"

          also a Scottish expert?
          no one pulled the tongue, after all.
          so it’s clear, the job is to write
          What are your reasons?
        5. -2
          6 August 2021 12: 49
          winked Enviable. Well, that's good. How the chorus of different tobaccos will howl after reading this material from ... u ... u. Song. laughing
        6. +20
          6 August 2021 15: 36
          Quote: Snail N9
          as it was written here that our air defense systems "successfully fired back" at "calculated points", "targets" a la the 80s of the last century and free-falling parachutes, then ...

          You are probably confused - there it was a question of shipborne air defense systems. Here is another complex.
        7. 0
          7 August 2021 14: 17
          "The rest of the slave in the shade
          Golden fruits will not grow;
          Where all the mind is sick of striving,
          Greatness does not vegetate there.
          There the fields are desolate and fat,
          The scythe and the sickle are inconvenient there,
          A lazy ox will fall asleep in the plow,
          A shining sword will fade glory,
          Minervin temple became dilapidated,
          The deceitful net stretched out in dollars. "

          "Ode to Liberty" by A.N. Radishchev
      2. +1
        6 August 2021 12: 01
        He doesn't know anything about the S-600 yet.

        I think there will be a modification of the S-500MPU-2 type
        - increasing the radar channel and ACS
        - increase in radar detection parameters: in range and in height
        - an increase in the interception range, such as the diagonal range of the anti-missile up to 1000 km - this will probably already be the S-500PMU-3
      3. -1
        6 August 2021 12: 44
        Don't betray military secrets. And not the S-600 but the S-666
      4. 0
        6 August 2021 13: 12
        Quote: Bearded
        He doesn't know anything about the S-600 yet. laughing lol fool

        And I heard that the S-700 is already in development. Well, this is by the way, for our potential "partners".
    2. +1
      6 August 2021 12: 40
      It's crazy to use the S-500 against aircraft.
      1. 0
        6 August 2021 13: 12
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        It's crazy to use the S-500 against aircraft.

        Why? Expensive, impractical? So in a serious mess - you will be the first to take the pitchfork against the Arabs when the ammunition runs out. Or dump on the sly?
        1. +2
          6 August 2021 13: 31
          Quote: kot423
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          It's crazy to use the S-500 against aircraft.

          Why? Expensive, impractical? So in a serious mess - you will be the first to take the pitchfork against the Arabs when the ammunition runs out. Or dump on the sly?

          You have S-400/300 behind your eyes. The S-500 is the last hope for missile defense.
          1. 0
            6 August 2021 14: 15
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            You have S-400/300 behind your eyes. The S-500 is the last hope for missile defense.

            Once again: What for? Expensive, impractical? You haven't answered any of these questions. How much did a dome rocket cost to deflect crap out of a water pipe (exaggerating)? And again - will you quietly dump, or will you take the pitchfork?
            1. +4
              6 August 2021 14: 26
              Quote: kot423
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              You have S-400/300 behind your eyes. The S-500 is the last hope for missile defense.

              Once again: What for? Expensive, impractical? You haven't answered any of these questions. How much did a dome rocket cost to deflect crap out of a water pipe (exaggerating)? And again - will you quietly dump, or will you take the pitchfork?

              Insanely expensive. It's like intercepting the Sling of David plane. Perhaps, but only after exhausting all other means. I won't take the pitchfork. I have my own funds at home. tongue
              1. -5
                6 August 2021 14: 46
                I won't take the pitchfork

                For the gifted (I thought the Jews were smarter) - if the ammunition runs out? (don't even stutter about your warehouse of 100500 miles).
                1. +3
                  6 August 2021 15: 10
                  Quote: kot423
                  I won't take the pitchfork

                  For the gifted (I thought the Jews were smarter) - if the ammunition runs out? (don't even stutter about your warehouse of 100500 miles).

                  When I run out of cartridges, I won't get to the pitchfork. (100500 million is not, but 200 will be typed).
                  1. -9
                    6 August 2021 15: 19
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    ... (100500 million is not, but 200 will be typed).

                    That says it all. You are a bullshit who will run away with the slightest misfortune.
                    1. +4
                      6 August 2021 15: 22
                      Quote: kot423
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      ... (100500 million is not, but 200 will be typed).

                      That says it all. You are a bullshit who will run away with the slightest misfortune.

                      Unambiguously. lol good
                  2. -7
                    6 August 2021 16: 04
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    typed).

                    This is your problem. You are like izbraniniete - the sword of Damocles like will not fall on you on occasion .., Wet dreams ...
              2. +3
                6 August 2021 15: 34
                Aaron, what kind of apparatus?
                1. +7
                  6 August 2021 15: 43
                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  Aaron, what kind of apparatus?

                  Jericho 941.
                  1. +2
                    6 August 2021 18: 04
                    Jericho is a normal thing!
                  2. +3
                    7 August 2021 12: 16
                    Menia also eats that.
                    Good experience, as well as nekopets.
      2. +5
        6 August 2021 16: 12
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        It's crazy to use the S-500 against aircraft.

        Here comes the misleading of the readers.
        There is quite a 40N6M atmospheric rocket, which is also included in the S-400 kit. Accordingly, for work in the atmosphere, KP 55K6MA, 91N6AM radar, PU 51P6 are used.
        There are other 77N6-N missiles, and they are already hitting targets behind the atmosphere. For this, PBU 85Zh6-2, radar 76T6 are used,
        PU 77P6.
        That is, the S-500 actually combines the upgraded S-400 for air defense and a new missile defense system. This is how to combine and unify Patriot and THAAD.
    3. +4
      7 August 2021 11: 45
      The Americans and I have directly opposite concepts in military doctrines ...
      We have a defensive approach, and they have an offensive one!

      And air defense / missile defense is just a system for defense. We are preparing to defend the sky and counter-attack with hypersound. Well, we keep the nuclear weapons of retaliation. And we are not building 100500 aircraft carriers, this is not our strategy ...

      Let no one be surprised by the American missile defense system in Europe with universal cells Mk-41, where cruise missiles are installed, which are quite shock ones ... This is a snag, after all, does anyone really believe in the intention to save Poland and Romania from missiles? wink
      The Americans periodically cry about their lack of defensive weapons ... And all the dreams of a global missile defense system were only to ensure impunity for aggressive actions.

      Therefore, the Russian shield sets the task of breaking off the American sword! Well, after a mace on an impudent redhead (oh, sorry - bald!) - it's because of a heightened sense of justice. hi
      1. +2
        7 August 2021 12: 41
        I fully support ...
        Who will come to us with a sword ..
    4. -5
      7 August 2021 12: 53
      “If you believe the characteristics of the S-500 voiced by Russian officials,” that says it all. As life has shown, they cannot be trusted.
  2. -1
    6 August 2021 12: 10
    "without a satellite navigation system" there will be problems with the accuracy of the use of weapons, including missiles "

    Yes, they stupidly get lost on their own roads!
    1. +1
      6 August 2021 13: 11
      Nonsense, to get into the object more than the window is enough different orientation / guidance systems without satellites and other "service".
  3. +17
    6 August 2021 12: 18
    Dear editors, the S-500 air defense system is an excellent system. Did you really need a "Positively Scottish" site to confirm this, whose real visits barely reach 100 readers per month? Moreover, in their article they refer only to the statements of the Russian press and some kind of Turkish reprint.

    And this is the same "British (Scottish) expert Morton Shillingford":


    Such sources reduce readers' confidence in editorial publications on VO.
    1. +6
      6 August 2021 12: 34
      The people are getting smaller ... laughing
    2. -5
      6 August 2021 12: 52
      And this is the same "British (Scottish) expert Morton Shillingford":

      I hope Israel does not "bomb" from this, otherwise you cited such a photo as an example)))
      Did you really need a "Positively Scottish" site to confirm this, whose real visits barely reach 100 readers per month?

      Do you think more people visit Echo of Moscow?)))
      1. +12
        6 August 2021 13: 00
        Quote: lucul
        Do you think more people visit Echo of Moscow?)))

        I don't care about echoes.
        And the photo from that very site is "Positively Scottish". What they
        they publish at home, then I brought it. Without any cuts and corrections - pure screen. What is wrong with you yet?
        1. +3
          6 August 2021 13: 22
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Quote: lucul
          Do you think more people visit Echo of Moscow?)))

          I don't care about echoes.
          And the photo from that very site is "Positively Scottish". What they
          they publish at home, then I brought it. Without any cuts and corrections - pure screen. What is wrong with you yet?


          Handsome man! Respect and respect, bro! Thank you!

          Finally, a user like you has appeared on the forum of this wonderful resource of Information. Once again, thanks for the analysis and information provided.
  4. +5
    6 August 2021 13: 05
    All disputes and conversations on this topic are meaningless, while the S-500
    will not be tested in combat conditions (this also applies to any
    other freshly baked weapons). But for this it must
    a war will start, more serious than in Syria. I do not want anything
    us, nor our opponents. Well, to make guesses and the most
    incredible versions, flaunting serious and not very knowledge, was never forbidden to anyone. That's just from
    the truth of all this is incredibly far away. However, it can be mistaken for
    the truth is that even rumors of such a weapon will force
    to think seriously about those irrepressible guys for whom Russia
    like an eyesore ...
  5. +6
    6 August 2021 13: 08
    In the West: The superiority of the Russians in terms of the S-500 air defense system is that neither the United States nor China has anything like it, even in the long term
    ... Okay, so be it ... only a specific task can be performed by different methods or not considered so important, because the general military concept is different, with its own, no less effective tactics for fulfilling the task.
    The enemy cannot be underestimated !!! This is fraught, as has been proven many times.
    1. +1
      6 August 2021 13: 27
      Quote: rocket757
      In the West: The superiority of the Russians in terms of the S-500 air defense system is that neither the United States nor China has anything like it, even in the long term
      ... Okay, so be it ... only a specific task can be performed by different methods or not considered so important, because the general military concept is different, with its own, no less effective tactics for fulfilling the task.
      The enemy cannot be underestimated !!! This is fraught, as has been proven many times.


      The enemy should not be underestimated, I agree completely. But the wishes of the Scottish gluttonous temptator will have to be fulfilled by the opponents of Russia. And Russia to mother, native homeland, it gives time to regroup, God forbid and bless.
      1. +1
        6 August 2021 13: 47
        Without assessing what they have and how, one thing can be said, they value, fulfill, only their wishes ...
        In principle, it's okay if everything fits into their military concept and their plans.
  6. +2
    6 August 2021 13: 30
    In particular, they noted the possibility of the Prometheus missiles to destroy targets at any "atmospheric" altitudes at which airplanes, helicopters and missiles can fly, as well as at "space" heights - that is, in near space.

    Well, in fairness.
    At the "cosmic" heights are still working:
    Arrow-3 (150km in height and 300+ km radius).
    And THAAD (150km at an altitude of 200+ km radius).
    And the leader in this class is RIM-161 SM-3 Block IIA, (900 km in height, 1200 km radius).
    1. -3
      6 August 2021 14: 02
      Quote: And Us Rat
      Arrow-3 (150km in height and 300+ km radius).

      Arrow 3 can intercept ballistic missiles, especially those carrying weapons of mass destruction, at altitudes over 100 km (62 miles). The missile's range is reported to be up to 2,400 km (1,500 mi).
      Arrow 3 can intercept ballistic missiles, especially those carrying weapons of mass destruction, at altitudes above 100 km (62 miles). The missile's range is reportedly up to 2400 km (1500 miles).
      Therefore, tests were carried out in Alaska, in Israel there is no such possibility.
  7. 0
    6 August 2021 15: 19
    that neither the United States nor China has anything like this, even in the future

    System AEGIS - Standard Missile, at least. I don’t know about Chinese systems, but there is a possibility that there are analogs there too.
  8. +3
    6 August 2021 15: 43
    How fast the world is running to meet its end, and gladly pays for it!
  9. +6
    6 August 2021 16: 42
    What are these magical satellites that fly in orbits below 220 kilometers and do not fall after a couple of months?
  10. +3
    6 August 2021 20: 49
    In air defense systems, Russia is the leader in this area. I myself am an air defense officer and I have a good idea of ​​the capabilities of our complexes, both short-range and medium and long-range. But most importantly, we have established an echeloned defense system of V.P. with one control. Praise and praise to our engineers who create such a unique technique.
  11. 0
    7 August 2021 18: 16
    The C500 is not against GPS satellites. Moreover, on the way is the system of the world Internet in low orbits, which can be 100% used for reconnaissance.
    C500 is, first of all, a system of restraining our sworn partners.
  12. -1
    8 August 2021 08: 42
    Firstly, the S-500 is inferior to THAAD and the Aegis SM-3..6 block systems.
    This is the only thing we accept into service with Nudol.
    THAAD has a kinetic warhead. And the S-500 does not have a kinetic warhead.

    Although Aegis and THAAD are designed for missile defense.
    And the S-500 is versatile. And against aircraft and ballistic targets.
  13. 0
    8 August 2021 20: 01
    Question. How does this one know the performance characteristics of this rocket? Are you the author of the treacherous muzzle handed over everything to them? Look, we will find out, we will punish. Here the country is trying hard to cook up another wunderwaffe and you are handing over our secrets. Nobody knew this expert before. So you passed. Or do you think these secrets are on the table and everyone is reading them? No. You are mistaken. We keep the secrets securely.