Users appreciated Shoigu's proposal to build large cities in Siberia

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Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu proposes to start building large cities in Siberia. It is necessary that there are several of them, approximately from three to five with a population of 300 thousand to a million inhabitants.

This proposal was made by the Russian head of the defense department at a meeting today with representatives of the scientific community of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences (RAS).



The minister believes that the new settlements should become economic and scientific centers of the regions to specialize in any industries.

Not just to build a city and move the capital here, but to make them completely specifically aimed at a particular field of activity

- explained his idea to Shoigu.

The minister recalled that similar plans already existed at the end of the USSR, so there is nothing new in his proposal. True, due to the collapse of the Soviet Union, it soon became not up to these plans.

Internet users have already responded to Shoigu's proposal. In particular, one of them believes that the cities that the minister spoke about already exist, the problem is only in the restoration of industry.

This was the case before perestroika. And the cities have not gone anywhere, you just need to restore the factories

- he writes.

Others this news amused and at the same time led to a number of questions, because the population of Siberia is noticeably decreasing, and it is not clear for whom and why Shoigu wants to build cities. Someone even suggested building a city for oligarchs and stealing officials. Create it somewhere in Kolyma, put up a reliable guard and enclose it with barbed wire.

Another user believes that the thought process of a military man can be traced in Shoigu's idea. After all, everyone knows that NATO has already advanced into the Baltics, the alliance's troops are at ease in Ukraine and Georgia. And if missiles are deployed there, they will be able to hit Moscow and major cities of the European part of Russia in a matter of minutes. It is quite another matter if the capital and large industrial centers are located somewhere in the Siberian outback. In this case, they will be practically invulnerable.
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  1. -30
    5 August 2021 18: 39
    Don't worry. -Minister this is not the first time, we will survive this.
    1. +44
      5 August 2021 18: 52
      Quote: Understanding
      Don't worry. -Minister this is not the first time, we will survive this.

      Elections a month later, however, which has not been promised in 30 years.
      And that one over there, already whole cities.
      1. +65
        5 August 2021 19: 06
        Quote: Stroporez
        And that one over there, already whole cities.

        What about the plans for the development of peripheral cities? Ended up without starting. Only Moscow is even more swollen in the southwest. Kremlin dreamers ...
        1. +53
          5 August 2021 20: 16
          All this talk of the minister about the city is empty chatter, if he does not want to change the liberal anti-popular socio-economic policy.
          1. +14
            5 August 2021 20: 44
            All this talk of the minister about cities is empty chatter,


            It was in him that the maternal grandmother spoke. He's a builder who has turned away from the army, not a military man. wassat
            1. +4
              5 August 2021 21: 59
              Quote: dauria
              He's a builder who has turned away from the army, not a military man.

              Noviop, what to take from him? Do not forget who gave Gaidar's supporters machine guns.
        2. +10
          5 August 2021 21: 14
          This tovarisch will give money to charity, he is as kind as Nedimon ...

        3. +28
          5 August 2021 21: 46
          there are no dreamers there, there are prudent cynics, they would start to extinguish Yakutia and the same Siberia.
          1. +7
            5 August 2021 21: 56
            Quote: yang174
            but easier for 30 lam greens

            I mean, in Turkey they stew for grandmothers? I thought to please some other countries besides Nicaragua and Cuba. Can you share a link where it is written about it?
            Quote: yang174
            here you don't need enemies and saboteurs

            This is a classic. Nobody does so much harm to us than ourselves.
            1. +18
              5 August 2021 23: 03
              Quote: Hyperion
              I mean, in Turkey they stew for grandmothers?
              No, I’m free ... In any case - resource, fuel, travel allowances, etc. could be spent on extinguishing fires in Russia, tk. it burns everywhere - from Karelia to Kamchatka, as the President said - because of climate change, and not at all because of protracted abandonment.
              1. +1
                5 August 2021 23: 20
                Quote: Azis
                it burns everywhere - from Karelia to Kamchatka, as the President said - because of climate change, and not at all because of protracted abandonment.

                He has said and done so much that 20 years after he will have to be corrected.
                1. +8
                  5 August 2021 23: 28
                  He said and did so much


                  Eh, the landing ... He spoke and ... did not do a damn thing. His task was to stretch out the time until the mammoths from the USSR died out and prevent a return. Nailed it . The title "People's Artist of Russia" is fully deserved.
                  Promuryzhil a whole generation. But the words "No one will give us deliverance - neither God, nor the tsar and not the hero" began to be understood. wink
                  1. +5
                    6 August 2021 08: 52
                    Quote: dauria
                    He talked and ... he didn't do a damn thing. His task was to stretch out the time until the mammoths from the USSR died out and prevent a return. Nailed it . The title "People's Artist of Russia" is fully deserved.
                    Promuryzhil a whole generation. But the words "No one will give us deliverance - neither God, nor the king and not the hero" began to be understood

                    Comrade, I completely agree with you, and this is exactly what I said. And he did it exclusively so that there was no return to socialism and to the unification of the Soviet republics.
                    Thank you for your understanding. hi good drinks
                  2. -1
                    12 August 2021 17: 57
                    The title "People's Artist of Russia" is fully deserved.

                    It seems not alone. There are a lot of understudies lately ... There won't be enough titles for everyone.
              2. +6
                6 August 2021 13: 14
                From one Be 200 in Yakutia it is of little use because there is nowhere for him to fill up with water there is no such water surface - the only option is to return to airfields hundreds of kilometers from the fires.
                1. +4
                  6 August 2021 18: 58

                  This is the Lena River, there is no place to get water, Yakutia is it a desert?
            2. +20
              6 August 2021 07: 52
              Turkey gave 203 million lira or $ 24 million (1,75 billion rubles) for the use of Russian aircraft to extinguish fires. Under the terms of the agreement, Russia will not be able to send these aircraft for other purposes until the expiration of the contract. At the same time, it is known about three BE-200s aimed at extinguishing Russian forests.
              Extinguishing Turkish forests by Russian planes ...
              news.rambler.ru ›46924356-tushenie-turetskih-lesov-rossiyskimi-samoleta

              or you need me to provide you with a scan of the contract, because. are you not satisfied with the source?
              1. 0
                6 August 2021 11: 26
                Quote: yang174
                or you need me to provide you with a scan of the contract, because. are you not satisfied with the source?

                No, don’t. This one will do just fine. It's just that I hear for the first time that they will also pay for this help to "fraternal" Turkey.
                1. +7
                  6 August 2021 13: 10
                  yes to hell with infidels, just again the bosses went crazy. their forests are on fire, and the "dirty" ones (censored cheb her) 24 lyama ... well, I think this is a betrayal of the Motherland, sabotage and betrayal
                  1. +1
                    6 August 2021 13: 14
                    Quote: yang174
                    well, I think this is a betrayal of the Motherland, sabotage and betrayal

                    The way it is. And their forests are burning to hide the exported timber to China. And eat a fish and don't go to jail ...
          2. +8
            6 August 2021 21: 49
            Quote: yang174
            would start to extinguish Yakutia and the same Siberia.

            Aren't they ours and are setting fire to the forests? They cut it out, set it on fire .. Ends into the fire .. We ourselves and we burn. Enemies are not needed. We will destroy everything ourselves. Many are already swollen from greediness and do not fit into a coward, but everything is not enough ... They have forgotten that they are mortal, and in the next world worms devour everyone equally!
        4. +11
          5 August 2021 23: 50
          What about the plans for the development of peripheral cities? Ended up without starting. Only Moscow is even more swollen in the southwest. Kremlin dreamers ...

          To move the capital beyond the Urals and by itself the nearest regions will begin to develop. And Moscow will take a break from traffic jams ...
          1. +7
            6 August 2021 09: 27
            Quote: Bacha
            To move the capital beyond the Urals and by itself the nearest regions will begin to develop. And Moscow will take a break from traffic jams ...

            Comrade, nothing of the kind, with the current state of affairs, will not happen. Power is not imprisoned for development.
            1. +7
              6 August 2021 10: 10
              The power is not sharpened for development.
              You are deeply mistaken. The current government is tailored for the development of its capital, influence on all spheres of people's life. They have not yet reached the peak of "development" - the slave system, or, at worst, serfdom. On a new, digital basis. But they strive for this with all their might.
        5. +13
          6 August 2021 06: 21
          Quote: Hyperion
          What about the plans for the development of peripheral cities?
          Empty, extinct villages and deserted cities. Even in millionaires, the mass of "optimized" and closed enterprises, instead of production, only shopping centers appear. We can agree with Kozhugetovich in terms of the development of Siberia and the Far East, in terms of securing production for a hard time. But, for this, the dependent bourgeois power must leave. In the meantime, dreams, and not even like Mayakovsky.
          In the sky clouds are running,
          Rainy dusk is compressed
          under the old cart
          workers are lying.
          And the proud whisper hears
          water both above and below:
          "In four years
          there will be a garden city! "
          1. +16
            6 August 2021 08: 58
            Now I work and live in Nizhny Novgorod. Over the past 20-25 years, the population of the city has decreased by 250.000 people .... Well, we will build three to five new cities with a population of 300 thousand to a million .... but who will live there? Shoigu's statement is empty chatter, not supported by anything ... Tomorrow he will tell us: "There is no more time left for the buildup."
            1. 0
              17 August 2021 16: 19
              It is sad that the population of NN has decreased by 250 thousand inhabitants. An example of Nizhny is a picture of what a liberal saboteur in the governor's chair can do in an industrial region. Nemtsov even destroyed the car factory. GAZ is the only car plant in Russia, which was ruined to zero.
              Thus, the problem raised by Shoigu is much broader. It is necessary not only to create a network of new clusters in Siberia, but also to revive the industrial centers that are located in the depths of the territory of Russia. This is not only Nizhny, but also the cities of the Urals and the Volga region. If we do this, then the capital will return to a reasonable size in terms of the number of inhabitants. In Moscow, it is worth bringing the number to the Soviet 8 or even 6-7 million. After all, nothing supernatural is needed for this. Simply provide jobs for all the regional centers surrounding the capital.
        6. +12
          6 August 2021 07: 28
          I live in Kuzbass and they wanted to make our town 5 years ago a city of advanced development. So far, we are 5 years ahead of everything and everyone in words and not even on paper. They can’t wag their sacks with their language, they can promise.
        7. +7
          6 August 2021 10: 06
          What about the plans for the development of peripheral cities? Ended up without starting. Only Moscow is even more swollen in the southwest. Kremlin dreamers ...
          Colleague, there were no plans, except for the plan to "warm your hands on this." And the Kremlin dreamers do not exist in nature, but the Kremlin money-gamblers even prosper and prosper. However, they are not alone.
        8. +13
          6 August 2021 10: 31
          Quote: Hyperion
          Quote: Stroporez
          And that one over there, already whole cities.

          What about the plans for the development of peripheral cities? Ended up without starting. Only Moscow is even more swollen in the southwest. Kremlin dreamers ...

          Soon all of Russia will live in Moscow alone. The largest country in the world by area, and 10℅ of the population live in one city. This is a complete p ....
          1. 0
            8 August 2021 19: 14
            Mexico City is home to 20% of Mexico's population.
            1. 0
              12 August 2021 16: 14
              Quote: Sergey-1950
              Mexico City is home to 20% of Mexico's population.

              Consoled. So we will be equal to Mexico. Leading power ...
              Py. Sy. By the way, this is the first time I've heard about Mexico City. The capital of Mexico, if my memory serves me right, is called Mexico City.
              1. 0
                17 August 2021 16: 05
                Mexico City is the English tracing of the name of the capital of Mexico. But that's not the point. We are discussing the number of inhabitants of the capital in the total population of the country. The share of the population of Paris in percentage terms is also higher than the share of Moscow: 8 million out of 60 million. 13,33%. And London is the same.
                Although I agree that the swelling of the capital and of the metropolises in general is an unhealthy phenomenon.
                The hand of the state is needed to regulate this process
        9. -1
          8 August 2021 19: 05
          Quote: Hyperion
          What about the plans for the development of peripheral cities? Ended up without starting.

          Isn't that they? belay
          how many patriots had snot and tears about the fact that enterprises were closed, people are fleeing from cities and only Moscow is swelling, and here on you, Shoigu voices plans to create enterprises and rebuild cities .. what is the reaction of those who recently snotted and shed tears, without doing anything to rebuild these cities, of course? "ahhh !! vivsevrete !!! nothing will be!" wassat "
          You will decide there, the restoration of production, and as a result of the cities, is it good or bad? from now the comments of the "patriotic party" smell like schizophrenia request
          1. 0
            9 August 2021 13: 19
            Quote: SanichSan
            Isn't that they?

            I mean those that were announced ten years ago. Then they wanted to start developing Tver, Ryazan, Tula, Vladivostok, etc. so that people not only burst into Moscow.
            Quote: SanichSan
            and here on you, Shoigu voices plans

            On you, another pre-election tale ...
            Quote: SanichSan
            You will decide there, the restoration of production, and as a result of the cities, is it good or bad?

            If they do it, it’s definitely good. And if, as usual, they promise and forget, then it's bad.
            1. -2
              9 August 2021 18: 02
              Quote: Hyperion
              On you, another pre-election tale ...

              hmm what Shoigu doesn't seem to be elected anywhere wink
              Quote: Hyperion
              If they do it, it’s definitely good. And if, as usual, they promise and forget, then it's bad.

              yes, it seems that if Shoigu says something, they do it ... let's see hi
              1. +1
                9 August 2021 22: 46
                Quote: SanichSan
                hmm what Shoigu doesn't seem to be elected anywhere wink

                Hmm ... Shoigu is kind of like a United Russia party. In theory, each United Russia member should contribute to improving the image of Edra.
                1. -1
                  10 August 2021 11: 21
                  Quote: Hyperion
                  Hmm ... Shoigu is kind of like a United Russia party.

                  that is, if the hospital is being built by Shoigu's department, then this is bad because he is from United Russia, but the fact that the others did not do anything well because he is not from United Russia?
                  is everything that the members of United Russia do is bad? did I get your concept right?
                  that is, if Shoigu's department, a state structure, is involved in the construction of state-owned enterprises, then this is bad because Shoigu is from United Russia, and the whining and inaction of everyone else is very good because he is "rotten red", right? what
                  1. +1
                    10 August 2021 12: 03
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    is everything that the members of United Russia do is bad? did I get your concept right?

                    No, not right. The EP naturally builds something and does something. But mostly it is an imitation of violent activity and window dressing.
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    then this is bad because Shoigu is from United Russia, and the whining and inaction of everyone else is very good because he "rotted red", right?

                    No not like this. You are engaged in rabid demagoguery. Use "thesis substitution".
                    Allows one of the parties to the dispute to distort any argument of his opponent, replacing it with a similar, but weaker or absurd one. The debater then rebuts this twisted argument, while making it appear that the original argument was rebutted rather than his own.

                    You attribute to me what I did not claim.
                    I wrote that there were plans for the development of other cities, except for Moscow and St. Petersburg, but they were not fulfilled. I also wrote that Shoigu's promises about the development of Siberian cities are beneficial to Edr.
                    And you started raving about: "everything that the EP does is bad, everything that Shoigu builds is bad, some" others "are good."
                    Maybe you are not used to conducting a dialogue on your own, without a manual, which is why it turns out so clumsily and inappropriately?
                    1. 0
                      10 August 2021 12: 28
                      Quote: Hyperion
                      You attribute to me what I did not claim.

                      reread my post. I am not attributing anything to you, I am asking. I did not take part in the battles of psychics and I can’t find out what you think by spreading the tarot cards, so I ask questions. maybe a little provocative bully
                      Quote: Hyperion
                      I wrote that there were plans for the development of other cities, except for Moscow and St. Petersburg, but they were not fulfilled.

                      right. but then the implementation of the plans was entrusted to the municipalities that demonstrated complete impotence request are now being imposed on the military who have recently demonstrated the ability to perform assigned tasks. prospects are much better wink
                      Quote: Hyperion
                      I also wrote that Shoigu's promises about the development of Siberian cities are beneficial to Edr.

                      no, you wrote a little differently. you are trying to present the case as if Shoigu makes these statements on behalf of United Russia, but with these statements he speaks on behalf of his department, the Ministry of Defense, and does not mention his party affiliation. you distort the facts Yes
                      is it beneficial for the ruling party? definitely like any improvement in the country's economic situation. and now what? since you Edro do not like the second perestroika, will we arrange only to make the ruling party feel bad? to spite the mother's ears will freeze? laughing
                      Quote: Hyperion
                      Maybe you are not used to conducting a dialogue on your own, without a manual, which is why it turns out so clumsily and inappropriately?

                      about the same thoughts came to me from reading your first comment hi
                      1. +1
                        10 August 2021 13: 04
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        you distort the facts

                        Which ones are interesting? Elections are on the way. EP by hook or by crook will try to increase its rating, which is not a fountain. Shoigu is United Russia. In any case, Shoigu's promises play into the hands of United Russia, as the party in power. The impression is created that EP keeps its finger on the pulse, solves problems and, in general, sets the tone.
                        Where you saw distortions, I don’t know.
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        since you don't like Edro

                        But what is there - to me, in general, the people have negative emotions to the EP. Let's see how Shoigu's words and deeds will be arranged. But to be honest, it's hard to believe about these Siberian cities of his.
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        about the same thoughts came to me from reading your first comment

                        Yeah ... what exactly do you mean? The first to this article or the first in our dialogue with you? Both that and this are quite sensible.
                      2. 0
                        10 August 2021 13: 29
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Which ones are interesting? Elections are on the way. EP by hook or by crook will try to increase its rating, which is not a fountain. Shoigu is United Russia. In any case, Shoigu's promises play into the hands of United Russia, as the party in power. The impression is created that EP keeps its finger on the pulse, solves problems and, in general, sets the tone.
                        Where you saw distortions, I don’t know.

                        don't you see it yourself? Shoigu spoke on behalf of the EP at this conference? no, from MO. Shoigu said that this is the idea of ​​the EP? no. Did Shoigu even mention the EP at this conference? request
                        so what you write is a sooooooo big stretch. about like an owl on a globe Yes
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        But what is there - to me, in general, the people have negative emotions to the EP.

                        I agree with you on this. this party does not protect my interests, but, unfortunately, it is now the ruling party and this will not change in the near future. you do not believe in fairy tales about democracy and elections from two or more candidates bully
                        I prefer to evaluate deeds, not partisanship. can - well done! good again, this is MO, and you still need to try to attract it to the EP.
                        if it goes on like this, then the elections can be won not by the United Russia but by the Moscow Region wassat
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        What exactly do you mean?

                        in our dialogue. hi
                      3. 0
                        10 August 2021 13: 42
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        Shoigu spoke on behalf of the EP at this conference? no, from MO.

                        Is the MO already in charge of the construction of cities in our country? Is this the Diocese of the Minister of Defense? He just "suggested". As in the 12th year about the transfer of the capital. Then by the way, there were also elections. Presidential. Putin was nominated by Edrom ...
                        And EP does not need to be mentioned. She has grown tightly with power. At least in the popular mind, but in fact it is so.
                    2. -1
                      12 August 2021 18: 12
                      The EP naturally builds something and does something.

                      EP itself does not do anything (useful for the people). All construction projects are either business or government, executive bodies. By itself, the EP is just a way (technology) to bring “ours” to power.
      2. -16
        5 August 2021 19: 27
        Aimed at specific areas of activity ..... recourse Labor? winked It seems that there were already such "cities" in the 37-53 years of the last century, no? A whole "empire" was there, a whole "archipelago". Can you tell me what it was called? I forgot something ... wink Interestingly, these "cities" will be surrounded by barbed wire as before, or will they use the scientific and technical "achievements of the 21st century"? what
        1. +16
          5 August 2021 19: 46
          You can take an example from China, there, too, in the north of the country, no one wants to live, but benefits, subsidies and other incentives are doing their job.
          1. +7
            5 August 2021 20: 07
            Quote: loki565
            You can take an example from China, there, too, in the north of the country, no one wants to live, but benefits, subsidies and other incentives are doing their job.

            And where in the words of Shoigu -
            benefits, subsidies and other incentives
            1. +4
              5 August 2021 20: 48
              And where in the words of Shoigu -

              So there is only a proposal, according to the type of whether you want to pull the population away from the borders with NATO, from a military point of view it is quite correct. And how will this be implemented is another question.
              1. +5
                5 August 2021 21: 01
                Quote: loki565
                So there is only a proposal, according to the type of whether you want to pull the population away from the borders with NATO, from a military point of view it is quite correct.

                Or maybe the entire Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation should be sent to Magadan due to the fact that NATO soldiers can view Ivan-city with binoculars, it might be cheaper, otherwise they have all the joys of life, and for some reason I have to go to Siberia ... if you are like that the alignment suits, then kiss the hands of Zakharova and go to explore the Russian Arctic ...
                1. +2
                  5 August 2021 21: 11
                  Or maybe the entire Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation should be sent to Magadan due to the fact that NATO soldiers can view Ivan-city with binoculars, it might be cheaper, otherwise they have all the joys of life, and for some reason I have to go to Siberia ... if you are like that the alignment suits, then kiss the hands of Zakharova and go to explore the Russian Arctic ...
                  If normal conditions are created there, why not. And not only the Foreign Ministry and others will be drawn. If there are benefits, plus salary increments, plus apartments for young families and people themselves will be drawn.
                  P.S. learn geography, Siberia is not only
                  Arctic ...
                  1. +1
                    5 August 2021 21: 49
                    Quote: loki565
                    If normal conditions are created there, why not.

                    If normal conditions were created in the regions, then no one would have to go anywhere ...
                    If there are benefits, plus salary increments, plus apartments for young families and people themselves will be drawn.

                    From what sources will you turn a fairy tale into reality? So Shoigu did not say anything about this ... but for now
                    young families and people
                    (apparently, according to your comment, young families are not people) to million-plus cities ...
                    P.S. learn geography

                    Tell this to your wife, I have never even written that Siberia is only the Arctic or decided to troll my jackal with a pack-Order ...?
                    1. +6
                      5 August 2021 22: 06
                      If normal conditions were created in the regions, then no one would have to go anywhere ...

                      It does not interfere
                      From what sources will you turn a fairy tale into reality? So Shoigu did not say anything about this ... but for now

                      Well, the idea and the implementation of the idea are two different things.
                      (apparently, according to your comment, young families are not people) to million-plus cities ...

                      It's just in your imagination))) young families need to be helped especially with housing, try to buy an apartment in Moscow, for example.
                      Tell this to your wife, I have never even written that Siberia is only the Arctic or decided to troll my jackal with a pack-Order ...?

                      Have you already forgotten your fame?
                      go explore the Russian Arctic ...

                      Be careful, even if you throw at the fan)))
                      1. -9
                        5 August 2021 22: 12
                        [quote = loki565] Have you already forgotten your fame? [quote] go to explore the Russian Arctic ..... [/ quote]
                        Well, where in my commentary that Siberia only consists of the Arctic ...? fool
                        [quote] Siberia is not only
                        Arctic ..... [/ quote]
                        So you throw at the fan and provoke good members of the forum to insult you ...
                        I see no reason to communicate further ...
                      2. +2
                        5 August 2021 22: 24
                        quote = loki565] Have you already forgotten your fame?
                        go explore the Russian Arctic ...

                        Well, where in my commentary that Siberia only consists of the Arctic ...? fool
                        Siberia is not only
                        Arctic ...

                        So you throw at the fan and provoke good members of the forum to insult you ...
                        I see no reason to communicate further ...

                        So re-read your comments once you have already forgotten why you sent it to master the "Arctic", and now you are trying to get out and get personal))) laughing hi
                      3. -2
                        12 August 2021 18: 18
                        quote = loki565] Have you already forgotten your fame?
                        go explore the Russian Arctic ...

                        I think you urgently need to master the engine.
                    2. +6
                      5 August 2021 22: 23
                      If there are benefits, plus salary increments, plus apartments for young families and people themselves will be drawn.

                      From what sources will you turn a fairy tale into reality? So Shoigu did not say anything about this ... but for now

                      Um .. You will not believe, but they were there since the times of the Soviet Union and they are there now.
                      1. 0
                        13 August 2021 20: 24
                        Quote: alexmach
                        If there are benefits, plus salary increments, plus apartments for young families and people themselves will be drawn.

                        From what sources will you turn a fairy tale into reality? So Shoigu did not say anything about this ... but for now

                        Um .. You will not believe, but they were there since the times of the Soviet Union and they are there now.

                        Again you inattentively read the article, which talks about NEW cities ...
                      2. 0
                        22 August 2021 11: 58
                        Again you inattentively read the article, which talks about NEW cities ...


                        I'm just trying to correlate this message with reality. Nizhnevatrovsk began to be developed 50 years ago, now the urban agglomeration has grown to somewhere around 400K people. That is, if a new city is founded now, given the economic base, it will grow in 50 years to half a million.
                  2. +2
                    6 August 2021 09: 36
                    Our territories with good and favorable climatic conditions have long been mastered. Few people want to live in a harsh climate, people will flee from there.
              2. +7
                5 August 2021 22: 20
                In fact, there are very realistic opportunities for the development of Siberian regions. Nizhnevartovsk, Surgut, Novy Urengoy, Varkuta. There is an economic base for development there. There is already a certain amount of sedentary population, there is a need for the construction of new transport communications that will lead to closer connectivity with the European part of the country and, accordingly, accelerate the development of this region. In addition, there is a great potential for the development of the regions adjacent to the BAM. To the modernization of which, by the way, this year the department of this very Shoigu suddenly applied.

                , and for some reason I have to go to Siberia

                I don’t know, for some reason people have traveled and are still driving, even on a rotational basis. I have an uncle in my childhood - the son of our neighbors for some reason left the European part of the country for Norilsk and lived there for 10 years with his family and with a small child, my peer ...
                1. +1
                  5 August 2021 22: 35
                  The idea is certainly good, but much more money and effort will be required than in the restoration of the same Crimea. All the same, the infrastructure there, although old, was, and the climate was good, people themselves went there to buy housing. And here in Siberia the millionaire is proud what
                  1. -1
                    7 August 2021 14: 02
                    So here (in Western Siberia) there are already cities, and infrastructure, and an economic base.
                    And here in Siberia the millionaire is proud

                    Well, not in a year and not from scratch .. The same Nizhnevartovsk began its development in the 60s, now it has grown to 300 thousand population. Over the next few decades, it could theoretically be worth up to a million.
                2. +7
                  6 August 2021 04: 23
                  I don't know, people went for some reason
                  And I will answer you for what. For the fact that those who wanted to make money in the USSR (to make money with a capital letter) went to Siberia, to the North. My father in Chukotka received 950 rubles as a simple driver, my mother was somewhere between 650-700 rubles ...
                  1. -1
                    7 August 2021 14: 02
                    Has it somehow changed now? Are they not going to the north for money now?
                3. +4
                  6 August 2021 09: 23
                  There is one serious problem in Siberia - this is the climate, well, at least, what can you do here and even for money it will not be much (in the context of cities with a million inhabitants) to live in Vorkuta, where in May the average temperature is below zero, and this is not very good for health. Now in Russia there is a slow but steady migration to the southern part, especially to the Krasnodar Territory.
          2. +15
            5 August 2021 20: 23
            Quote: loki565
            You can take an example from China, there, too, in the north of the country, no one wants to live, but benefits, subsidies and other incentives are doing their job.

            If we take the example of China ... then you need to shoot ...
            1. +1
              5 August 2021 20: 42
              If we take the example of China ... then you need to shoot ...

              Those who are rushing against the party are also shot there. By the way, do you want to move to China?)))
              1. +9
                5 August 2021 20: 46
                Quote: loki565
                If we take the example of China ... then you need to shoot ...

                Those who are rushing against the party are also shot there. By the way, do you want to move to China?)))

                No .. my eye shape is not the same .. and the Chinese are big nationalists. And who is there against the party rushing? And why go against it when the country has been developing at an unprecedented pace for 30 years in a row ... absurd, like absurdity, when the country does not develop ... and the people allegedly vote for the same persons for 20 years already ..
                1. -10
                  5 August 2021 20: 58
                  No .. my eye shape is not the same .. and the Chinese are big nationalists. And who is there against the party rushing? And why go against it when the country has been developing at an unprecedented pace for 30 years in a row ... absurd, like absurdity, when the country does not develop ... and the people allegedly vote for the same persons for 20 years already ..

                  Well, the United States is trying to shake the boat there too, google what unrest there were literally a couple of years ago and how they dealt with these. Yes, and the visitors there are quite norms, although as for me there are nuances, specific products, cuisine, dense population, etc.
                  1. +13
                    5 August 2021 21: 02
                    Quote: loki565
                    Well, the USA is trying to shake the boat there too.

                    This is understandable on the fact that the United States and live .. only there is no shake .. the people of China feel improvements every year .. unlike ours.
                    1. -3
                      5 August 2021 21: 18
                      This is understandable on the fact that the United States and live .. only there is no shake .. the people of China feel improvements every year .. unlike ours.

                      I agree with this, it is much more difficult to shatter, the Internet is completely closed, any dizinfa from the outside is immediately blocked, and so on and so on.
                      1. +13
                        5 August 2021 21: 27
                        Quote: loki565
                        I agree with this, it is much more difficult to shatter, the Internet is completely closed, any dizinfa from the outside is immediately blocked, and so on and so on.

                        When statesmen are at the helm, the results of whose activities are obvious to the whole world and primarily to the Chinese people .. then I am not against restrictions .. the benefit needs to be protected .. But when the state is ruled by friends .. and the state itself is more like LLC .. and at the same time the population their own country is driven under the plinth .. I am against restrictions ..

                        “If a citizen is forced to pay for education and medical services, to accumulate a pension from his own funds, to pay housing and utilities in full at the market price, then why do I need such a state ?! Why should I still pay taxes and maintain a crazy army of officials? he always said at all levels that health care, education and science should be provided from the budget. If the state puts this concern on us, let it disappear, it will be much easier for us! "
                      2. -5
                        5 August 2021 22: 20
                        When statesmen are at the helm, the results of whose activities are obvious to the whole world and primarily to the Chinese people .. then I am not against restrictions .. the benefit needs to be protected .. But when the state is ruled by friends .. and the state itself is more like LLC .. and at the same time the population their own country is driven under the plinth .. I am against restrictions ..
                        “If a citizen is forced to pay for education and medical services, to accumulate a pension from his own funds, to pay housing and utilities in full at the market price, then why do I need such a state ?! Why should I still pay taxes and maintain a crazy army of officials? he always said at all levels that health care, education and science should be provided from the budget. If the state puts this concern on us, let it disappear, it will be much easier for us! "

                        You confuse the reason they are the consequence, if China did not have a closed Internet and total control of external sources and developed special services, the analogue of Zelensky or Gorbachev would have been at the head for a long time ...
                        It's funny when thousands came out to rallies in support of capitalism, the market economy, and so on. they did not think about the consequences. For some reason, people did not appreciate free education, medicine, and so on. everyone wanted a change)))
                  2. +2
                    6 August 2021 09: 28
                    No, they don't treat the newcomers very much, they tolerate if it is, for example, a professor at the university, but they will have no less nationalism than Japanese.
                2. 0
                  8 August 2021 19: 17
                  Quote: Svarog
                  No .. my eye shape is not the same .. and the Chinese are big nationalists.

                  it looks like you are the nationalist and not the Chinese wink I have a friend there who has been working as a teacher for several years. from her I know that with a European appearance it is quite comfortable there. Yes
              2. 0
                5 August 2021 22: 39
                Quote: loki565
                By the way, do you want to move to China?)))

                I would like to .... but you know the language barrier! I'm afraid they will not understand ... laughing
                1. -1
                  5 August 2021 23: 04
                  I would like to .... but you know the language barrier! I'm afraid they will not understand.

                  If in the cities on the border, then there it is quite normal to speak Russian, at least sellers, hotel staff, and so on. For example, Heihe there from Blagoveshchensk through the crossing for about 20 minutes, in my opinion, even a visa is not needed, well, at least it was like that before the pandemic)))
                  1. +3
                    6 August 2021 03: 36
                    To enter China, citizens of the Russian Federation need to obtain an entry permit (visa). There are several types of them, it is not difficult to get. It is allowed to enter in transit for no more than 72 hours (transfer), or a transit visa (if I am not mistaken) at the time of arrival.
                    In Hong Kong, citizens of the Russian Federation do not need to obtain an entry permit (visa), if I am not mistaken for up to 2 weeks.
                    This was the case before the pandemic ... Yes
            2. 0
              5 August 2021 21: 49
              just for their activities, there are either their own interests, or someone else's ... there are simply no fools in the government, well, imbibs cannot reach there
          3. +1
            5 August 2021 22: 37
            Quote: loki565
            You can take an example from China, there, too, in the north of the country, no one wants to live, but benefits, subsidies and other incentives are doing their job.

            Apparently Shoigu means exactly that. China will allocate the very benefits, subsidies, and the Chinese will move to Siberia to build and populate new cities.
          4. +2
            5 August 2021 23: 53
            Have you worked in China? Do you know how a simple worker lives? Turn on your "best" education and think about why Chinese goods are so cheap.
            sold her people to the capitalists.
          5. 0
            6 August 2021 06: 22
            Firstly the capital of Russia needs to be moved to Siberia, then the cities are satellites, the infrastructure will actually be built. Bears don't need money. In addition, this will significantly reduce the possibility of blackmailing Russia by deploying the INF Treaty in Europe.
          6. 0
            6 August 2021 09: 19
            It didn't work out very well in China, they set up the cities and at least some part is now empty. Well, the cities of the millionaire still have to appear for “natural” reasons, and not so that Shoigu wanted to poke at the map and began to build.
            Moreover, funds for such cities can be spent on the development of existing Omsk, Tomsk, Novosibirsk, Barnaul, Krasnoyarsk, etc. Each of these cities has serious infrastructural problems, environmental, etc.
        2. +3
          5 August 2021 20: 10
          Vaughn Togliatti, running FSE, the city of one pancake factory. The idea is necessary. The climate is changing, Siberia is full of resources. Just not a monotown. No need to step on the same rake.
        3. +2
          5 August 2021 20: 41
          Aimed at specific areas of activity ..... recourse Labor? winked It seems that there were already such "cities" in 37-53 years of the last century, no? A whole "empire" was there, a whole "archipelago". Can you tell me what it was called? I forgot something ... wink Interestingly, these "cities" will be surrounded by barbed wire as before, or will they use the scientific and technical "achievements of the 21st century"?

          Did he hint too subtly?
      3. +18
        5 August 2021 19: 30
        The minister recalled that similar plans already existed at the end of the USSR, so there is nothing new in his proposal. True, due to the collapse of the Soviet Union, it soon became not up to these plans.

        Being active before the elections seems to be a common thing, nothing new.
        New in this news, at least for me, is that the party in power does not hesitate to bribe the voices of the people, using even the Soviet plans for the country's development, in particular for the development of Siberia and the Far East ?! When the question of retention of power is at stake, all means are good!
        1. +17
          5 August 2021 19: 40
          People don't know how to get out of there, but here is a direct PROJECT laughing
          This is already a complete detachment from reality.
          1. +8
            5 August 2021 20: 04
            Precisely, everyone is leaving from there, since he was going to build cities there, for the Chinese or what?
            1. -4
              5 August 2021 20: 35
              The Chinese will build these cities with the lease of territories around. And you thought why the constitution was "tweaked"? Just for the construction of agglomerations.
        2. +9
          5 August 2021 20: 09
          Quote: alystan
          Pre-election activity

          I propose elections - every six months winked
          1. -1
            5 August 2021 20: 24
            Quote: Terenin
            Quote: alystan
            Pre-election activity

            I propose elections - every six months winked

            it's not the timing, but the choice .. and honesty.
            1. +4
              5 August 2021 20: 35
              Quote: Svarog
              Quote: Terenin
              Quote: alystan
              Pre-election activity

              I propose elections - every six months winked

              it's not the timing, but the choice .. and honesty.

              Remind me, with the same moralizing air, a country with fair elections and a "holy-clean" political party like a chiruvim?
              1. -5
                5 August 2021 20: 43
                Quote: Terenin
                Remind me, with the same moralizing air, a country with fair elections and a "holy-clean" political party like a chiruvim?

                where did you get the idea that the view is moralizing? these are your fantasies .. as for references to "others" .. then there are enough countries where things are still much better with the choice and naturally people live there much better than ours .. and there are no saints or pure in politics at all.
                1. +3
                  5 August 2021 21: 01
                  Quote: Svarog
                  then enough countries

                  Quote: Svarog
                  where, nevertheless, things are much better with the choice

                  Quote: Svarog
                  and naturally people live there much better than ours ..

                  Svarog, your manuals of solid convictions, such as: "this has been known for a long time and has been proven more than once," and "not a secret for anyone" ... are already outdated.
              2. +4
                5 August 2021 20: 58
                "holy and pure", as a surgeon, a political party?


                There is no such beast, but there are elections at which they are elected. The same Trump. I got through with a fight, I left with a fight.
              3. -3
                5 August 2021 21: 21
                For example Israel. Not?
                1. +3
                  5 August 2021 23: 20
                  Israel, this is such a multi-step, it will not be unraveled for a hundred years. Unlike the United States, Israel rarely makes dirty linen in public, in relation to the world media. It is difficult to imagine that there are fair elections in Israel, something must happen, for example, the earth should turn over or the sky should become the earth, and the earth should become the sky :)
          2. 0
            5 August 2021 20: 50
            Quote: Terenin
            I propose elections - every six months

            Then we will be overwhelmed with such projects altogether.
            1. +3
              5 August 2021 21: 06
              Quote: Piramidon
              Quote: Terenin
              I propose elections - every six months

              Then we will be overwhelmed with such projects altogether.

              Don't be afraid, Stepan, compared to the intrusive information on Ukraine, these projects are like a lullaby for the night.
          3. +1
            5 August 2021 22: 42
            Quote: Terenin
            I propose elections - every six months

            Once I was appointed the head of the 32-person service, while a year has passed into all the intricacies ... in the elections every six months, the elect will only deal with elections and promises ... I would suggest executions for unfulfilled promises in 2 years!
          4. +21
            6 August 2021 05: 03
            Quote: Terenin
            Quote: alystan
            Pre-election activity

            I propose elections - every six months

            Unfortunately, the lion's share in such "activity" is occupied by blah-blah
      4. -8
        5 August 2021 20: 19
        And who you will vote for is interesting, you are an old fighter with the regime, if you name a worthy one for you, I will be grateful. For me Shoigu is a worthy person
        1. +8
          5 August 2021 20: 42
          Quote: Warrior-80
          And who you will vote for is interesting, you are an old fighter with the regime, if you name a worthy one for you, I will be grateful. For me Shoigu is a worthy person

          I don't want to throw stones at Sergei Kuzhugetovich, but with his political longevity he reminds me of one Soviet "heavyweight" who - "from Ilyich to Ilyich - without a heart attack and paralysis" wink
          Joking aside, Shoigu and Chubais are two big figures of Eltsin's "call", there is no one left of that caliber in the political sky from those years.
          PS Yes, of course, there is also V. I. Matvienko, but she is still of the Soviet "draft" wassat
          PPS I, nevertheless, for a reasonable turnover of power. In the end, it was the gerontocracy that reigned in the Politburo that played an important role in the collapse of the USSR. We missed the moment when it was necessary to retire. And when the Gorbachevs, Yeltsins, and dogs, hungry for yachts, villas and bank accounts in the Caymans, came to power, they could not oppose anything to them.
          1. -6
            5 August 2021 20: 50
            So I expressed my opinion as politeness to the interlocutor, and you just threw stamps like a troll, it's just slag, as you should discard, without specific organization
            1. +2
              5 August 2021 21: 00
              Quote: Warrior-80
              So I expressed my opinion as politeness to the interlocutor, and you just threw stamps like a troll, it's just slag, as you should discard, without specific organization

              The argument I gave:
              I, nevertheless, for a reasonable turnover of power.

              And Sergei Kuzhugetovich, with all due respect to him, has been in power for 30 years.
              thrown like a troll, it's just slag
              When there is nothing to say on the essence of the question, there are insults and drooling on the monitor Yes
              You have just demonstrated this perfectlygood.
        2. 0
          5 August 2021 21: 13
          Quote: Warrior-80
          For me Shoigu is a worthy person

          For many, he is a worthy person, only in the history of Russia no one went to Siberia of their own free will, either they fled there in horror from the "good" central government, or they were exiled there under duress ...
          1. +10
            5 August 2021 22: 10
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Quote: Warrior-80
            For me Shoigu is a worthy person

            For many, he is a worthy person, only in the history of Russia no one went to Siberia of their own free will, either they fled there in horror from the "good" central government, or they were exiled there under duress ...

            In the history of Russia, maybe not. And in the USSR, a lot of young people (Komsomol members) went to build BAM! By the way, the population of the cities and stations of BAM is basically the same builders! Although I must admit that in 1985. the state simply "threw" them! I will also add the Sayano-Shushenskaya and Bratsk hydroelectric power plants! And these are not all projects brought to life!
            1. -7
              5 August 2021 22: 20
              Quote: non-primary
              In the history of Russia, maybe not. And in the USSR, a lot of young people (Komsomol members) went to build BAM! By the way, the population of the cities and stations of BAM is basically the same builders!

              Yes, I am you comrade. Mr. and I will not dissuade, that the villages and cities near the BAM were founded by "Komsomol members" and "builders", we will remain unconvinced ...
              1. +4
                5 August 2021 22: 24
                Quote: Lara Croft
                Quote: non-primary
                In the history of Russia, maybe not. And in the USSR, a lot of young people (Komsomol members) went to build BAM! By the way, the population of the cities and stations of BAM is basically the same builders!

                Yes, I am you comrade. Mr. and I will not dissuade, that the villages and cities near the BAM were founded by "Komsomol members" and "builders", we will remain unconvinced ...

                I understand you ... I just visited Tynda in 1985-87. And my father-in-law also built the Bratsk hydroelectric power station and went there voluntarily with his family.
      5. +1
        6 August 2021 01: 17
        Is the model to be for a start to restore Omsk? The railway has already been completed, the airport is practically in the center of the city - it reduces logistics costs, there are remnants of military-industrial complex plants. hi
      6. +2
        6 August 2021 01: 36
        Quote: Stroporez
        And that one over there, already whole cities.

        It's just that the Knight of the Order of the Hospitallers of Malta makes such a joke.
        When no plans for the future matter, you can say anything.
      7. +4
        6 August 2021 03: 22
        To follow our Duma and ministers every day some proposals, promises, but things are still there.
    2. -4
      5 August 2021 20: 39
      If only he offered salaries and pensions many times more expensive than Moscow ones - New-Vasyuki would be in reality !!! And for garlic, it is NECESSARY !!! Yes
      1. -5
        5 August 2021 21: 32
        Quote: Babay Atasovich
        If only he offered salaries and pensions several times more expensive than Moscow ones -

        In Khanty-Mansiysk, you can find such a salary, throw a resume, now many work remotely from different regions, go through an interview online, throw off your documents later in OK by e-mail, pass a check in the company's security service and work remotely from with the help of an appropriate computer program ... so many large and small companies now work ...
        I read yesterday on the internet, one scumbag immediately got a job in many companies at the same time, on the terms of work on a "remote", managed to get salary for 1-2 months, until the employer realized that the employee was not doing anything ...
        So no Siberia can cure a Russian person ... but he still won't work until he wants to ...
        1. -2
          5 August 2021 21: 39
          Well, how to softly answer ...... I am a Russian muzzle, to which the Jewish muzzle at the Russian Embassy answered literally: "everyone who wanted to left for the Russian Federation 15 years ago!" And fig my problems! Is it clear now?
          1. -4
            5 August 2021 21: 43
            Not the fact that he is a Jew !!! Well, maybe a wild mixture for dad is Armenian, but for mom - a Jew! laughing I'm not a nationalist, but I'm interested!
          2. -2
            5 August 2021 21: 54
            Quote: Babay Atasovich
            Well, how to softly answer ... I am a Russian muzzle,

            Well, I am also a Russian muzzle and I won't trade myself for another muzzle .... I work on myself, I try not to swear, sometimes it turns out ... not to swear ... wassat
            1. -3
              5 August 2021 22: 19
              drinks well, just like that! laughing
        2. -4
          5 August 2021 22: 24
          Quote: Lara Croft
          throw a resume, now many work remotely from different regions

          I earn freelance sales on cartoons - the problem is different!
        3. -5
          5 August 2021 22: 36
          Quote: Lara Croft
          I read yesterday on the internet,

          I don't care about Lara, who read, but the question is - HOW MUCH do they pay ?! I know from my partner that this is $ 0.30 for the sorosity, but what about you? wink
          1. -2
            5 August 2021 22: 59
            Quote: Babay Atasovich
            HOW MUCH PAY?!

            What difference does it make to you if you
            I make money on cartoons

            I know from my partner that this is $ 0.30 for the sorosity, but what about you?

            And you are a funny "boss" ...
            Jewish face in the Russian embassy

            maybe you confused the embassy with the hospital ... don't cough ...
            1. -5
              5 August 2021 23: 03
              What is it, does it really hurt your eyes or are the Jews envious? wink
              1. -1
                5 August 2021 23: 05
                Quote: Babay Atasovich
                What is it, does it really hurt your eyes or are the Jews envious? wink

                You’re sick, decide whether I’m a little magpie or a Jew, I understand the disease is difficult for you, but you go to sleep, don’t expose the whole ward ...
                1. -3
                  5 August 2021 23: 11
                  Yes, I care about the oak who you are - you are no match for me, if such a shnyaga was led! Learn, learn and learn again! As Comrade Lenin used to say! There was such a guy who stood at the foundation of the USSR! wink
        4. -6
          5 August 2021 22: 55
          Quote: Lara Croft
          I read yesterday on the internet,

          Zadornov was right .. Lara = read! Eltsenyata, learn to at least define the masculine / feminine gender! Unified State Exam-guessing in general takes away the brain ..... Sorry for you!
    3. -1
      5 August 2021 20: 53
      Quote: Understanding
      Don't worry. -Minister this is not the first time, we will survive this.

      ... Come on! Nobody can "sit out" for 30 years already. smile
      A very serious, powerful, official and politician.
    4. +2
      6 August 2021 14: 12
      "Ostap suffered" (c)
      I can't find other words.
    5. 0
      8 August 2021 19: 31
      Sound idea. The idea of ​​creating several research and production clusters in Siberia, i.e. beyond the reach of the "partners" of the Kyrgyz Republic, has long been ripe.
      Another thing is that there are already such centers in Siberia. Novosibirsk, Tomsk, Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk, Komsomolsk. They can only be revived. It will be an order of magnitude cheaper and several times faster.
      1. 0
        9 August 2021 13: 50
        2. In theory, Krasnoyarsk and Irkutsk are better suited to start by all criteria. Everything is already there, you just need to invest in the revival of the destroyed or re-profiling of the worker.
        Then you can think about creating a third and possibly next clusters.
        I would pay attention to Bratsk. It was not a scientific and technical center. But on the other hand, it is a large industrial city. That is, it will be easy to build factories, research institutes, polytechs there. And the relevant personnel will arrive.
    6. 0
      9 August 2021 00: 02
      A good idea.
  2. +14
    5 August 2021 18: 39
    In fact, cities in the taiga are not built just like that!
    They are building something "around" (or nearby).
    Again, next to the railway.
    There are plenty of places in Siberia.
    1. +26
      5 August 2021 19: 15
      There are already large cities in the Urals and Siberia. Here are just taxes from the enterprises operating in them are paid in Moscow. Maybe you just need to put the horse in front of the cart, then development will go in the right direction, and not only in Moscow, which is swelling with money. But what Shoigu croaked, and don't get up the sun. It is not for him to build and develop.
      1. +9
        5 August 2021 19: 22
        Shoigu was building in his youth, but on taxation issues this is a question for others
        1. +10
          5 August 2021 19: 32
          Youth has passed, completely different people are engaged in decision-making. And to speak out on issues outside the competence is at least incorrect, without coordinating your opinion with those who are responsible for this area of ​​work. It looks like just election spam.
          1. +2
            5 August 2021 19: 43
            Or maybe he spoke not as a member of the government, but as an individual?
            1. +2
              5 August 2021 19: 45
              laughing Blessed is he who believes.
            2. +3
              5 August 2021 20: 08
              He won't say that now. as they say, special hopes are pinned on this horse) Edra's ratings are at the lowest possible rates, everyone is thrown into battle, from Shoigu (with one of the highest personal ratings) to propagandist clowns like the Popovs
            3. -2
              5 August 2021 20: 13
              Individual? Landowner Manilov 2. 0?
              1. -7
                5 August 2021 22: 01
                OTER and Evgeny Bazhenov went to be elected to the State Duma - at least one real one connected with nature on environmental issues.
            4. +2
              5 August 2021 20: 39
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              but as an individual?

              Edra steam locomotive going to the elections.
              1. -5
                5 August 2021 22: 03
                The main thing is that you sit at home as usual and don't go anywhere - why vote for you, everything has already been decided.
      2. +3
        5 August 2021 19: 49
        There are already large cities in the Urals and Siberia. Here are just taxes from the enterprises operating in them are paid in Moscow. Maybe you just need to put the horse in front of the cart, then development will go in the right direction, and not only in Moscow, which is swelling with money. But what Shoigu croaked, and don't get up the sun. It is not for him to build and develop

        You see, here is a double-edged sword)))
        Leave all the money in the provinces - the province will say after a while - why do we need the capital, we ourselves will live, there is nothing to feed the capital? )))
        Exactly on such a bait the leaders of all 15 republics of the USSR were thrown. But then, faced with reality (also Armenia, or Tajikistan), these countries sharply wanted a suzerain for themselves, because they themselves are not able to defend themselves.
        Take all the money from the province - and hunger riots will break out there.)))
        Therefore, a reasonable compromise is always needed))))
        1. 0
          5 August 2021 20: 03
          It is so easy to justify those who make money in Russia and take their money abroad.
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          2. -6
            5 August 2021 20: 15
            Quote: Michael m
            It is so easy to justify those who make money in Russia and take their money abroad.

            Well, if a person honestly earned money, I think it's his business where to put the money or should he ask someone before that?
        2. -6
          5 August 2021 20: 13
          Quote: lucul
          Leave all the money in the provinces
          Take all the money from the province - and hunger riots will break out there.)))

          You name the provinces from which you can take money, in the Russian Federation there are 85 constituent entities of the Russian Federation, only 10-12 donor regions, the rest are subsidized ...
          1. +1
            5 August 2021 20: 19
            You name me the provinces from which you can take money

            Wherever there is agriculture and industry.)))
            They are the main multipliers of the country's healthy money supply. Everything else exists from their derivatives and from the surpluses they provide)))
            Roughly speaking, they parasitize on them. Someone useful (science, medicine, army, education), and some not (service industry, financial sector).
            ))))
            1. -6
              5 August 2021 20: 36
              Quote: lucul
              Wherever there is agriculture and industry.)))

              So in all subsidized regions of the Russian Federation, there is agriculture and industry, but they are subsidized anyway, what should be done?
              I think so, everything from the head of the region and local elites should be looked for ...
              For example, Kaluga ranks first in the Russian Federation in terms of foreign investment, in the region there are a lot of foreign manufactures with world brands ...
              The list of donor regions that are not recipients of subsidies for equalizing budgetary provision includes 13 constituent entities of the Russian Federation. Compared to last year, the list has not changed: Republic of Tatarstan, Kaluga, Leningrad, Moscow, Samara, Sakhalin, Sverdlovsk and Tyumen regions, the cities of Moscow and St. Petersburg, Nenets aut. Okrug, Khanty-Mansi Auth. Okrug - Yugra, Yamalo-Nenets auth. district.

              It is not surprising that many territories from this list occupy leading positions in the ranking of regions in terms of quality of life.

              The remaining 72 constituent entities of the Russian Federation, respectively, will receive subsidies to equalize budgetary provision in 2021.

              https://top-rf.ru/places/564-dotatsionnye-regiony.html
        3. 0
          5 August 2021 21: 26
          Unfortunately, they have already taken it. Only hunger riots are not to be seen.
        4. -6
          5 August 2021 22: 05
          And the province has not been feeding the capital for a long time - Moscow has its own budget, but who the province feeds is the federal budget.
      3. +4
        5 August 2021 20: 07
        I live in Moscow and am amazed, don’t know how else to pervert how to spend the money. What they just don’t come up with, it would be better to send money to the regions for specific projects, so that people don’t flock to Moscow ...
        Look around trade for the sake of trade, shops-services-servants…. And there is nothing real, well, just like in America ... ..
        1. 0
          6 August 2021 13: 22
          Look around trade for the sake of trade, shops-services-servants…. And there is nothing real, well, just like in America ... .. In Moscow and the Moscow region there are 36000 industrial enterprises from large to small - in Moscow itself there are dozens of institutes and design bureaus, so there is no need to trawl about "And there is nothing real." budget, and so every year, 1.5 trillion is allocated - but only not all regional authorities use this money as needed - almost 900 billion at the end of the year again return as stupidly spent on nothing, since most of the local officials just got stuck working and this is the main problem that hinders the development of regions.
        2. +3
          6 August 2021 14: 17
          What they just don’t come up with, it would be better to send money to the regions for specific projects, so that people don’t flock to Moscow ...

          The easiest way is to send the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff to Siberia, they are servicemen, they will give orders and go. Just enough for a small town, let him set an example.
      4. +5
        5 August 2021 20: 18
        Quote: Mikhail M
        But what Shoigu croaked, and don't get up the sun. It is not for him to build and develop.

        Well, don't tell me, in the first nine months of 2020, the Ministry of Defense built 29 modern multifunctional medical centers. They are located in 22 constituent entities of Russia.
        Ah, an engineering miracle and the most important facility in the newest military base "Arctic Trefoil" ...
        ... Science City - Tsiolkovsky near the Vostochny cosmodrome ...
        ... radar stations, hydraulic structures, airfields, medical facilities, residential buildings, schools and kindergartens, cadet schools, military camps, training grounds and piers.

        All facilities built by the Russian Ministry of Defense are in the public domain.
      5. 0
        6 August 2021 07: 11
        Quote: Mikhail M
        Here are just taxes from the enterprises operating in them are paid in Moscow.

        not ALL ... For example, the land tax goes to the local municipality ...
    2. +10
      5 August 2021 19: 46
      Now it is clear why the burning taiga in Siberia is not extinguished. The place is cleared.
  3. +12
    5 August 2021 18: 40
    And we must start with the transfer of the administrative capital to Novosibirsk ...
    1. +1
      5 August 2021 18: 42
      Move Moscow traffic jams to Novosib? wink
      1. +6
        5 August 2021 18: 44
        Quote: Victor_B
        Move Moscow traffic jams to Novosib?

        And this too ... but how else can the deputies demonstrate their "coolness" ... Everyone is in "traffic jams", and they are with "flashing lights"
      2. +2
        6 August 2021 03: 48
        Quote: Victor_B
        Move Moscow traffic jams to Novosib? wink

        sad There are enough traffic jams in Novosibirsk, very busy traffic.
    2. +10
      5 August 2021 18: 43
      Ninada is the capital for me here. So when I go to the city, then I fly my nerves after traffic jams. Reconstruction of roads is underway at several key locations in the city. Traffic jams even at night.
      1. +2
        5 August 2021 18: 47
        Quote: demiurg
        So when I go to the city, then I fly my nerves after traffic jams.

        And so you will get more money for treatment, and yet it is more pleasant to drive through "capital" traffic jams ...
        1. +5
          5 August 2021 18: 50
          You don't need money for treatment. I'd rather stay healthy.

          Let them train on the birds. Ugh. Let's go to Krasnoyarsk. Or to Norilsk, Chelyabinsk, Omsk. In short, where the thread is past.
          1. +14
            5 August 2021 18: 55
            Why did not my Krasnoyarsk please you? belay
            1. -1
              5 August 2021 19: 01
              Quote: Mouse
              Why did not my Krasnoyarsk please you?

              You don’t have comfortable bunkers, and it’s hard to cross the Rublevo-Uspenskoe highway to you) wassat
              1. +5
                5 August 2021 19: 16
                Quote: Stroporez
                You don’t have comfortable bunkers, and the rublevo-uspenskoe highway is difficult to connect to you.

                The main thing is that there are no ladies with low social responsibility, the capital will be built, everyone in Krasnoyarsk city is relocated. Here you will heal! And instead of "Echo of Moscow" will be "Echo of Krasnoyarsk".
                1. +4
                  5 August 2021 19: 23
                  There are plenty of these ladies everywhere))
                  1. +4
                    5 August 2021 19: 44
                    Quote: Andrey VOV
                    There are plenty of these ladies everywhere))

                    So I will give the wrong class. True, instead of shoes, Pima will be worn.
                  2. +5
                    5 August 2021 20: 19
                    Quote: Andrey VOV
                    There are plenty of these ladies everywhere))

                    How do you know? winked
              2. +3
                5 August 2021 19: 46
                .You have no comfortable bunkers, and the ruble-uspenskoe highway is difficult to transcribe to you)

                Trace the thought to begin with ... I do not advocate for this at all ... Yes
            2. +1
              5 August 2021 19: 21
              So what? Roads will be repaired, garbage will be removed better, police squads will be increased (after all, the capital), and in general the budget money will be added.
              1. +6
                5 August 2021 19: 39
                Quote: t-12
                So what? Roads will be repaired, garbage will be removed better, police squads will be increased (after all, the capital), and in general the budget money will be added.
                You this, stop agitating, I'm trying to promote Norilsk here feel lol
                1. +3
                  5 August 2021 19: 46
                  Then it's better to go somewhere to the island. Bolshevik, Komsomolets or whatever else is there ...
          2. +8
            5 August 2021 19: 00
            Quote: demiurg
            Or to Norilsk,
            But this is what I would look at laughing lol
            1. +1
              5 August 2021 19: 21
              Quote: Pechkin
              Or to Norilsk,
              But this is what I would look at

              And what about Norilsk? But there will be less idlers on the streets, especially in winter. And the main thing is that there will not be any moneybags at all from the children of moneybags. And officials will start taking care of heat, electricity and water supply with sewerage.
              1. 0
                7 August 2021 16: 12
                So after all, every bureaucratic grymza will require a sable fur coat.
        2. -1
          5 August 2021 20: 18
          Quote: svp67
          And so you will be given more money for treatment

          Who will "give him some money", and even in the subsidized region?
      2. -3
        5 August 2021 18: 54
        I have a desire to have a car, during the Olympic construction it was completely discouraged. I sympathize.
        1. -1
          5 August 2021 19: 22
          Quote: tralflot1832
          I have a desire to have a car, during the Olympic construction it was completely discouraged. I sympathize.

          I also lost my desire, after the third time the rights were taken away, even before the collapse of the Soviet Union.
          1. -3
            5 August 2021 19: 29
            For now, there are no problems, they bring and take them to work. Public transport works fine. For purchases, you can take a taxi 2 times a week. And at our age, movement is health. The next car will only be with course machine guns, on batteries skip.
      3. +6
        5 August 2021 20: 46
        Quote: demiurg
        Ninada is the capital for me here.

        I sometimes ask the city people - Why do you need cars? Three hours to go through the Communal?
    3. +3
      5 August 2021 18: 47
      The State Duma needs to be moved to Novosibirsk.
      1. +3
        5 August 2021 18: 48
        Quote: ViacheslavS
        The State Duma needs to be moved to Novosibirsk.

        and ministries
        1. +8
          5 August 2021 18: 59
          To Magadan, it will be so much better
          1. +1
            6 August 2021 07: 17
            Quote: Vadim Ananyin
            To Magadan, it will be so much better

            How?!!!!
            Now you can at least scare - "and you will go to Magadan !!!", and then it will be "Home or what?" ....
        2. +6
          5 August 2021 20: 22
          Quote: ViacheslavS
          The State Duma needs to be moved to Novosibirsk.

          Quote: svp67
          and ministries

          Nothing will change at all No.
          1. 0
            6 August 2021 09: 29
            Well, why, maybe it will not be so dusty in Novosibirsk.
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        1. +7
          5 August 2021 19: 18
          Magadan has its own problems. There were still not enough deputies. God save us.
          For a start, it would be nice to revive a bunch of small towns in the Magadan region, otherwise everything is in a miserable state, people have left. I finished school in Susuman, in the 78th. It was a beautiful town. And now ... He was still lucky. Many are actually gone.
        2. +3
          6 August 2021 03: 53
          Quote from rudolf
          Better in Magadan.

          Still, L. Filatov composed a good play,
          about deputies is also suitable:

          "I am a scoundrel! I am a scoundrel!
          I will send myself to Voronezh,
          I will send myself to Yelets! ..
          Only not on Magadan,
          This is not my age:
          I'll get there for now, -
          I'm afraid I'll give you an oak! "
    4. +3
      5 August 2021 18: 49
      Right. Moscow needs to be "resettled". And this must be done starting from the top. We are looking at the structure of housing under construction in Moscow and Moscow region. Approximately 85% are studios, one- and two-room apartments. For sure, people will have three children in a studio or odnushka (this is ironic, if that).
      1. 0
        5 August 2021 20: 03
        Approximately 85% of these are studios - at most 15%, another 30% are elite housing and 55% everything else.
    5. +1
      5 August 2021 18: 57
      Quote: svp67
      And we must start with the transfer of the administrative capital to Novosibirsk ...

      Colleague, this will not give anything, and if you transfer it, then to Yakutsk, there is just now warmer from the fires, we can put it out at the same time.
      In fact, there should be a plan for the development of the country as a whole, not separate pieces-parts, but the WHOLE COUNTRY !!!
      1. +2
        5 August 2021 19: 36
        Quote: Stroporez
        Colleague, this will not give anything, and if you transfer it, then to Yakutsk, there is just now warmer from the fires, we can put it out at the same time.

        As the language was removed, the very place for the State Duma and ministries.
    6. -1
      5 August 2021 19: 08
      First build the city of Novo-Vasyuki, only then move the capital. ))))))
    7. 0
      5 August 2021 19: 27
      Why not to Krasnoyarsk ??? Also not a small town
    8. +2
      5 August 2021 19: 27
      With all the wealth of choice, there is no other alternative than Samara. Although this is not Siberia.
      1. +1
        6 August 2021 17: 04
        Do not come to us in Samara, we have enough of our own) and traffic jams, and "people's choices"))))))
  4. +15
    5 August 2021 18: 42
    In general, cities themselves grow when there is work for residents.

    Building a city for at least a million inhabitants is not a question. What will people do there?
    1. +7
      5 August 2021 18: 44
      Quote: demiurg
      Actually, the cities themselves grow,

      Cities themselves do not grow, they are rebuilt by people
      1. +5
        5 August 2021 18: 54
        Except for Moscow, which is growing and cannot stop, as a result of which it is being built and expanded geographically. There is an outflow of the population to the capital from the depressed regions of the Russian Federation and the former Soviet republics.
        1. +5
          5 August 2021 19: 07
          People go where there is good work and comfortable living conditions, in our country this is Moscow. All the money goes to Moscow and people go there too.
          1. -4
            5 August 2021 20: 05
            In general, people go to all major cities in Russia, there are 15 of them - Kazan Yekaterinburg Novosibirsk Petersburg and so on.
    2. +5
      5 August 2021 19: 50
      Quote: demiurg
      Building a city for at least a million inhabitants is not a question. What will people do there?

      The minister said so clearly. Activity. From the sphere. One or the other. Everything is clear right away. lol
  5. -8
    5 August 2021 18: 43
    Shoigu's proposal for the construction of large cities in Siberia

    If you take it, then the whole country will have to. It's not easy to build cities from scratch.

    NATO has already advanced into the Baltics, the alliance's troops are at ease in Ukraine and Georgia. And if missiles are deployed there, they will be able to hit Moscow and major cities of the European part of Russia in a matter of minutes.

    In a matter of minutes, these countries will be gone. And they won't have time to fart. And the rockets won't help, they won't be able to take off.
    1. +6
      5 August 2021 19: 06
      Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
      It's not easy to build cities from scratch.

      Well, yes ... First, the town-forming enterprise is being erected ... Then at home, then the social-cultural life needs to be done. But the budget is frail, and the owners of the proceeds (profits) quickly go into their pockets, or send them offshore. And from a good idea, monotowns-freaks remain, which die after the termination of the activity of the city-forming structure ...
      Look at the Kuzbass and the dead mines ... and what happened to those mining townships. And so that this does not happen again, you need to hold someone very strongly for the Faberge. So that when you try to escape, you immediately become a eunuch, a radish!
      Of course, there is a prospect along the NSR at the mouths of Siberian rivers to create transshipment ports. So that the wealth of Russia in Siberia grows, as our greats dreamed ... It remains only for the ONF to connect and promote on this good deed. It's worth it. wink
      Somehow, however.
      1. +2
        5 August 2021 21: 11
        Look at Kuzbass and dead mines

        Judging by the statistics, not everyone died there.
        Yes, and in our Donbass too, if they drive anthracite to Russia in trains.

        And the prospect of building cities is good. It's not easy, but worth it.
  6. +10
    5 August 2021 18: 44
    First, find people for the existing ones, then build new ones ...
    From parallel reality.
    1. +15
      5 August 2021 18: 49
      Something inspired:
      “Sometimes, looking from the porch to the courtyard and the pond, he said how nice it would be if suddenly an underground passage was made from the house or a stone bridge was built across the pond, on which there would be shops on both sides, and that merchants sat and sold various small goods needed for the peasants. "
      N.V. Gogol. Dead Souls.
      1. +4
        5 August 2021 18: 58
        And Manilov's face is so heartfelt ...
      2. lot
        +3
        5 August 2021 19: 00
        based on the dreams of Vera Pavlovna performs. (Chernyshevsky \ What to do?)
        Let the dreamer portray the bridge over the Lena for a start. he will build cities ... unless ZK-mi.
      3. 0
        5 August 2021 19: 41
        Quote: Reserve officer
        Sometimes, looking from the porch to the courtyard and the pond, he talked about how nice it would be if suddenly an underground passage was made from the house or a stone bridge was built across the pond,

        I'll go out into the street, the sun is dumb,
        Young girls drove me crazy.
        I will go out into the street, I will look at the village,
        The girls are walking, and I'm having fun.
    2. +2
      5 August 2021 20: 27
      Quote: Doccor18
      First, find people for the existing ones, then build new ones ...
      From parallel reality.

      First, you need to give birth to people .. otherwise with such a demography .. although maybe they want to settle the Chinese there ..
      1. +7
        5 August 2021 20: 44
        Quote: Svarog
        although they may want to settle the Chinese there ..

        The Chinese will not travel by the millions to the north. Cold. Even now there could be more Russians in the Far East, and the authorities are only happy about this, because the labor force, but no. There are many more people from Central Asia in Russia than there are Chinese.
        Quote: Svarog
        First you need to give birth to people ..

        First, the conditions must be created so that they begin to give birth more. To turn the tide, you need to have at least three children in the family. For modern realities, this is nonsense, or a rare exception.
        1. +9
          5 August 2021 20: 48
          Quote: Doccor18
          The Chinese will not travel by the millions to the north. Cold. There could already be more Russians in the Far East, and the authorities are only happy about this, because the labor force, but no

          The labor force in China is already significantly more expensive than in our country and in the CIS countries .. I think this is the problem, and not in frosts .. progress has gone far and frosts in winter, thanks to progress, are much easier to endure.
          First, the conditions must be created so that they begin to give birth more. To turn the tide, you need to have at least three children in the family. For modern realities, this is nonsense, or a rare exception.

          Agree hi
          1. +6
            5 August 2021 20: 53
            Quote: Svarog
            The labor force in China is already significantly more expensive

            Well, not all over China. There are still many people in Inner Mongolia who want to earn extra money.

            Someone harshly minuses you "for the Chinese", probably the Japanese ...
            hi
            1. +3
              5 August 2021 20: 54
              Quote: Doccor18
              Someone harshly minuses you "for the Chinese", probably the Japanese ...

              Yeah ... exactly they are, now we will call them Japanese laughing drinks
  7. +6
    5 August 2021 18: 52
    but to make them quite specifically aimed at a particular field of activity
    ======
    To cost a million-plus monotown? What nonsense ...
    By the way, where to get the population? He is not aware that the population is shrinking?
    1. +3
      5 August 2021 19: 38
      Why millionaires? Thousand 50-100 - just right. Dispersal will protect the country from both viruses and hypothetical nuclear attacks.

      And real estate in small towns will be much cheaper. The people will be able to buy a spacious apartment or a private house, which will also affect the birth rate.
  8. -7
    5 August 2021 18: 54
    Here the Chinese people will come and build large cities in Siberia. There are many publications on the Internet that Russian vaccines are brewed by our Chinese "friends".
    1. -2
      5 August 2021 19: 03
      About "the Chinese will come" - liberal nonsense. negative Look at the population density of China along our borders, and in the south of China, and you will understand what they like where it is warmer ...
      1. +1
        5 August 2021 20: 41
        About "the Chinese will come" - liberal nonsense.
        The same "thinkers" like you in 1940 wanted to destroy the world of capital, shoulder to shoulder with the German proletariat. But in 1941 the German proletariat decided otherwise. So continue fraternizing with your "friends". And I served in the Far East and I know more about them than you.
        1. -4
          5 August 2021 21: 31
          Old, do you recognize yourself in photographs from the 90s?




          1. 0
            5 August 2021 21: 34





            Or these, or are you not old enough?
            1. -6
              5 August 2021 22: 07
              Well, the fact that the USSR was going nowhere for 69 years is understandable, since communism is a pure utopia.
              1. 0
                5 August 2021 22: 18
                Capitalism is not a utopia?
                Strange, but the IMF in November 2020 announced that the world economy will collapse into currency zones ...
                I continue to insist on the "holy 90s"



                1. -2
                  6 August 2021 13: 26
                  Capitalism is not a utopia - the whole world lives in it; it is simply a derivative of commodity-money relations and the individual development of each individual individually.
                2. -1
                  6 August 2021 13: 27
                  “It's strange, but the IMF announced in November 2020 that the world economy will collapse into currency zones ...” - And when did the IMF's forecasts come true?
                  1. +1
                    6 August 2021 13: 33
                    These are not predictions, but orders ...
                    Privatization, Pension reform, devaluation of currencies of developing countries in 2014 Fiscal rule. Sale of land and growth of tariffs in Ukraine.
    2. +3
      5 August 2021 19: 19
      Quote: Old Fuck
      Russian vaccines

      and if you wrote without deliberate distortion, what would you lose?
    3. +5
      5 August 2021 19: 34
      Enjoy ... old fuck wassat

    4. +3
      5 August 2021 19: 46
      And in Ryazan, mushrooms with eyes, they eat, they look
    5. +1
      5 August 2021 19: 51
      About China, this is a fairy tale from the 90s there to the north of the country with a stick cannot be driven))) Although they make subsidies and so on.
  9. +1
    5 August 2021 18: 54
    Users appreciated Shoigu's proposal to build large cities in Siberia
    ... Even ministers of war can joke ...
    1. +4
      5 August 2021 19: 09
      Quote: rocket757
      Even ministers of war can joke ...

      This is so ... BUT his eyes are ... smart, smart! laughing
      1. +2
        5 August 2021 19: 34
        This is how the jokes of an intelligent person are perceived calmly and positively!
        SIBERIA!!! What I want to say. There is my Motherland, Great Lake Baikal !!!
        A wonderful great land, which will bring a lot of joy and benefit to our people ... if we save it, of course.
        I think so.
        1. +5
          5 August 2021 19: 40
          Quote: rocket757
          SIBERIA!!! What I want to say. There is my Motherland, Great Lake Baikal !!!
          A wonderful great land, which will bring a lot of joy and benefit to our people ... if we save it, of course.
          I think so.

          VICTOR! You think right! good
          My father was a Siberian ... The land is wonderful and, by and large, has not yet been touched. It was not for nothing that Ermak Timofeevich tormented him, he opened new lands for Russia. And the Russians did not eat any of the Siberian peoples, let alone the Yankees of the Indians ...
          Therefore, let us preserve and increase the wealth of MOTHER RUSSIA.
          To the envy of the enemies, to our delight. drinks
          AMEN!
          1. 0
            5 August 2021 19: 54
            Nothing happened to our PEOPLE easily!
            Moreover, every effort must be made to preserve all this for our descendants!
  10. +3
    5 August 2021 18: 58
    I missed something, do we have new technologies, why do we need to build new cities for them?
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  12. -1
    5 August 2021 19: 00
    Construction pulls many industries along with it - this is a multiplier of the economy and at the same time the development of territories.
    1. +1
      5 August 2021 19: 22
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Construction pulls many industries along with it - this is a multiplier of the economy and at the same time the development of territories.

      provided that something needed and in demand is being built
      1. +2
        5 August 2021 19: 41
        This is for you to think about ...
        1. +3
          5 August 2021 19: 42
          is this an illustration to some of your conclusions?
          share. I'm afraid I can't do it myself.
          1. -3
            5 August 2021 19: 43
            Laziness............
          2. +4
            5 August 2021 20: 15
            Yes, not to any, but specific - a map of the population of Russia

            And a map of the Chechnya permafrost
            apparently people tend to live where it is warmer.
            1. 0
              5 August 2021 20: 19
              Quote: Vadim237
              Yes, not to any, but specific - a map of the population of Russia

              in vain you do not give the person the opportunity to speak
              maybe he has ideas on how to populate the new Siberian cities
            2. +2
              6 August 2021 00: 40
              Quote: Vadim237
              Yes, not to any, but specific - a map of the population of Russia

              And a map of the Chechnya permafrost
              apparently people tend to live where it is warmer.


              This is how the climate changes. Due to solar activity or due to exhaust gases, this does not really change the essence! Where will it be warm and cozy in the next 100-300 years, that's a question!?!

              The question is if you are going to create a family and offspring, where is it favorable to do it for the least resources? I have 5 children and I am 42 years old, I am married and happy. And who are you in life?
              1. 0
                6 August 2021 13: 30
                And who are you in life? Manufacturing engineer and investor in business for 16 years.
                1. +1
                  6 August 2021 18: 58
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  And who are you in life? Manufacturing engineer and investor in business for 16 years.


                  Engineer, manufacturer and investor in business for 16 years - where will the power supply be supplied?

                  Have you learned how to make children?
        2. -1
          5 August 2021 20: 53
          This is for you to think about ...

          I did not think that so many people live on Sakhalin.
          In general, the first thing that a far-sighted person would build is a new Las Vegas in Bologoye. The playing area in the middle between the capitals is a gold mine. And the Tver region is somehow out of poverty ...
          1. +2
            5 August 2021 21: 51
            The casino is a bonanza for these ...
            I remember how they howled when the casino was closed ...
  13. +3
    5 August 2021 19: 02
    I don't even know which is easier: to renovate and "bring to mind" existing cities or build new ones?
    And in general, when did Shoigu become a "military man"?
    1. +2
      5 August 2021 19: 40
      There is some kind of infrastructure in the existing cities. Roads, buildings, plumbing ...
      1. +1
        5 August 2021 20: 22
        So in Simferopol there is all this + 341 thousand people and an airport. But in fact there is not a single large industrial enterprise (there were 11 in the Soviet Union).
    2. 0
      5 August 2021 20: 19
      Really not against the creation of five cities of scientific supertechnoparks with their help, it is possible to tighten the economy and science, the industry, the infrastructure of the region and everything else, including the population.
      1. +6
        5 August 2021 20: 46
        Yes, yes, to build a "silicon valley" (Chubais valleys are not enough) - to bring up there all literate people from all over the world for a salary of the middle class in Russia - 17000 rubles or 250 USD per month, and they will come up with everything for us, and invent, and develop, and they will create and ...- "and you will have cake and ice cream" ("Vovka in the Far-Away Kingdom") and then we will live. Yes, then we'll live. Yes
        1. -6
          5 August 2021 22: 25
          By the way, there is already a project for 20 trillion rubles of both state funds and private investors. But it will not be Silicon Valley, there will be research and production centers with minimal taxation.
  14. +3
    5 August 2021 19: 04
    To begin with, you need to create normal living conditions in Siberia, so that people want to go there and live there, and you won't lure anyone there with chatter. Who will go to the dirtiest city in Russia, Krasnoyarsk, from which everyone dreams of escaping? Under the current government, people are fleeing from Siberia.
    1. +1
      5 August 2021 19: 25
      Krasnoyarsk, thank God, is not the dirtiest yet
  15. +9
    5 August 2021 19: 04
    fellow Well farted before the elections, with whom it does not happen smile
  16. +3
    5 August 2021 19: 18
    and why does the minister of defense even think about new cities? Let us then reduce the profile ministers and transfer responsibility for the citizenry to him. since they are so worthless that they themselves cannot ...
    1. +4
      5 August 2021 20: 55
      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
      Let's then reduce the profile ministers and transfer responsibility for the citizen to him

      And who is Putin's profile minister? They are not selected according to the profile. What profile does Shoigu have?
      1. 0
        5 August 2021 21: 40
        a very strange question for VO, Yuri ... his profile, as a minister of defense, is the RF Armed Forces .. I thought everyone was in the know .. but there is, for example, the Minister of the Russian Federation for the Development of the Far East - the plenipotentiary of the President of the Russian Federation in the Far Eastern Federal District Viktor Ivanovich Ishaev. or Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation
        on construction, housing and communal services and regional development Marat Khusnullin, etc.
  17. 0
    5 August 2021 19: 19
    The song "about the elections" of the group "Leningrad" is becoming more and more relevant. Not Shoigu, but a new Turkish citizen O. Bender Bey laughing
  18. +3
    5 August 2021 19: 22
    It is necessary to paraphrase, otherwise people are confused "Where people live now, we have already stolen everything, we need them to build and develop everything from scratch in a new place / field, otherwise there is nothing more to steal, and we are reluctant to fight between our relatives"
  19. +5
    5 August 2021 19: 22
    The already built cities would be reanimated, many are dying out. And what about the new, we will draw live. Storytellers.
    1. +2
      5 August 2021 19: 42
      In fact, the thought is "smart": for this "building cities" shop, cut down the forest there and sell it to China, And don't build cities, push it, like, there is not enough money, then the conjuncture has changed and all that ... Yes
    2. +8
      5 August 2021 19: 52
      And some cities are now simply being destroyed. V.V. Tetyukhin used his own money to build a small town in the Urals with a world-class hospital.
      In 2019, he passed away. Now optimizers have come running, they are tearing to all pieces. They are openly bankrupt, since August 1 there are problems with admitting patients. Well, where are the leaders of the United Russia, where is Shoigu?
      Or is it viewed by the leaders of the EP as an insult? Something I have not heard that one of these gentlemen built a city for people with their own money. All yachts, football clubs and villas abroad. And here is the city and the hospital. For common people. For their money. Unheard of. How to tolerate this ?!
  20. -1
    5 August 2021 19: 41
    These are wrong thoughts. You have to live to your heart's content. It is necessary to enlarge and populate the Krasnodar Territory and Staropolye.
    1. -2
      5 August 2021 20: 24
      And also to plant greenery in Kalmykia, the Volgograd and Astrakhan regions, otherwise in a few decades there will be a clean desert with salt marshes and dunes.
      1. -1
        5 August 2021 21: 00
        It seems to me that no matter how much you plant greenery, everything will dry out anyway. Although you are right about something, and these are not the worst places to live. If you defeat the midges and locusts, and it has long been known how to do this, why not a semi-paradise place?
        In general, nature there is unpredictable. The same Ilovlinsky region near Volgograd three decades ago was a real desert, and now the sands are overgrown with junipers.
        1. -1
          5 August 2021 22: 35
          The midge can be defeated by mass breeding of dragonflies and locusts - there is a special breed of ducks, it can be purchased from China - everything is environmentally friendly without pesticides and any chemicals.
          It seems to me that no matter how much you plant greenery, everything will dry out anyway. If you make water channels many ponds and plant the entire border with Kazakhstan with trees and shrubs, this will significantly change the climate to a milder one, as it will prevent the penetration of dry winds, thereby increasing soil moisture by reducing the average annual temperature.
          1. -2
            5 August 2021 22: 40
            There is already a huge pond there, this is the Volgograd reservoir. Something does not add it softness to the climate and moisture to soils. The wind only accelerates over it. Something may and should be done, but think before that, and suddenly it will overgrow itself like the Ilovlinsky district.
            Although again, the places are not so bad, you can live.
            1. +1
              6 August 2021 13: 33
              One large pond reservoir will not do anything without everything that goes with it. And nothing will overgrow itself, since the heat is all summer from plus 30 to pole 50 and above, the rains are rare enough.
  21. +4
    5 August 2021 19: 44
    Yes, yes, and Moscow managers to seat at the head. They made all of Siberia a resource base for Moscow, and pushed foreignism everywhere. Where the Moscow dummy shoves his snout immediately wages fall and production falls. If you can't already built cities contain meaning to build ghosts.
    1. 0
      5 August 2021 20: 04
      Why the heck build these cities with "human beings"? Where to put the population then? Or said he to cut down the HYIP? It is not necessary to build cities - but high-speed highways with high-speed transport so that you can quickly get to the place of work, as well as modern hard-surface roads connecting with such high-speed highways with full infrastructure so that people live in individual houses on their land in comfortable cottage settlements or on their farms, such as in Finland and Norway. And people want to build anthills on the outskirts, what for? fill them with gaster for mines?
      1. +1
        5 August 2021 20: 32
        Quote: Snail N9
        And people want to build anthills on the outskirts, what for? fill them with gaster for mines?

        He thinks strategically correctly. Moscow and St. Petersburg are in critical reach of NATO. hi
        1. +1
          5 August 2021 20: 57
          Quote: fif21
          Moscow and St. Petersburg are in critical reach of NATO.

          And Voronezh is in critical reach of the Kremlin.
        2. -1
          5 August 2021 21: 00
          So in their "inaccessibility", NATy bunkers are built with a luxury profile. Why drag the human beings there? Yes, and something suggests that you should not be afraid of US, but "a great friend of China."
  22. +10
    5 August 2021 19: 47
    I will write about my hometown of Omsk. A million-dollar city with a large number of petrochemical enterprises, military-industrial complexes, universities, etc., etc. And now it is turning into a provincial metropolis, there is no work, wages are scanty, people are dumping to hell. Isn't it easier to invest in the restoration and development of existing cities than to offer such projects?
    1. -8
      5 August 2021 20: 26
      And for this, your local authorities say thank you that they don’t do nichrome to develop and improve the city.
    2. -6
      5 August 2021 20: 31
      And in general, it is possible to renovate all cities, improve them, build new enterprises there, roads, kindergartens, hospitals, change all communications and everything else, but for the money it will all cost 140 or more trillion rubles and work for at least 15 years, and even with construction workers there is now an acute problem - to work it was decided not to enroll even the prisoners on a massive scale in construction work.
    3. +1
      5 August 2021 21: 03
      Wow! Do you still have petrochemical enterprises? There is almost nothing left in our regional center, and the little that is left works for a quarter or a third.
  23. +1
    5 August 2021 20: 14
    No, the very idea of ​​developing regions is sound. And even a little is needed for this. Namely, to oblige enterprises to pay taxes at the location of production, and not at the place of registration.
    But who will go for it.
    1. +1
      5 August 2021 21: 56
      And how then will "Allah give" will be?
      1. +2
        5 August 2021 22: 13
        Here I am about the same.
  24. +2
    5 August 2021 20: 14
    Quote: svp67
    And we must start with the transfer of the administrative capital to Novosibirsk ...

    Why Novosibirsk and not Tobolsk?
  25. +1
    5 August 2021 20: 16
    Zhirinovsky cried
  26. +4
    5 August 2021 20: 20
    Good, good offer. However, this is an abstraction. The same abstraction as the so-called "gambling zones" used to be.
    Let's think logically - our economy has been teetering on the brink of decline and insignificant growth, for quite a long time (and there is no end in sight), breakthrough economic "projects of the twentieth anniversary" have stalled badly or have been shelved for a long time. Economic activity in the regions is suppressed by the low purchasing power of the population, unsatisfactory infrastructure, obstinate legislation, and dubious work of officials who are supposed to "kind of" support or control it for the good. Finally, our demography is pitiful, for the second year in a row we are going into a severe decline, and before that, for quite a long time, the decline was simply "stable", even without taking into account factors such as external migration. Building materials are EXPENSIVE, fuels and lubricants are expensive, transport routes in the region are unsatisfactory, to put it mildly.
    From all this it follows that yes - the cities need them. For strategic reasons and out of interest to revitalize the region. But. There is no one to live in these cities. More precisely, there are few willing to go there voluntarily. Especially if specialists are needed there, qualified specialists have long settled around the millionaires, greedy for "northern allowances" have long settled where they will not be paid like an example. Building a city will cost a pretty penny - because if the task is to make it attractive, then you will need to build a lot and almost at once. Along the way with the modernization of transport routes, gas laying, etc. Further, we come to the conclusion that climatok-s in Siberia is not ice, which means, firstly, not every newcomer (I remind you that the majority of the population in our country are people who did not grow up in such climatic conditions) will take root or remain outside the terms of the contract , secondly, the maintenance of such a city from the point of view of the commercial farm will be very expensive, thirdly, taking into account the logistics. costs (and prices for everything and everything associated with it) and "attracting strategies" people will have to pay more than a good salary - despite the fact that they will not work in the extractive sector. All this will require absolutely horse infusions - which simply have nowhere to come from.
    It is worth noting that there is also a certain (and growing) skepticism in society regarding the government's promises of a good life "in advance" - which will also undoubtedly affect the potential attractiveness of this project from the point of view of potential residents.

    To summarize - within the framework of the current state of morality, social sphere and economy of our state - this idea is a utopia.
    1. -3
      5 August 2021 22: 46
      But. There is no one to live in these cities. More precisely, there are few willing to go there voluntarily. If all the necessary conditions are created there, why not, and for business, as a carrot, a minimum taxation will be introduced for the first 10 - 15 years, there will be no end to those wishing to invest and build up.
      1. +4
        5 August 2021 23: 22
        Well, I see at least 2 tails of the problem - the fact that our population as a whole leaves this part of the country for a combination of reasons (and not vice versa), together with the fact that the authorities for 20 years have been unable to resolve this issue fundamentally, and the fact that settling in business in these territories rests on the issue of trust in the authorities, long-term, sustainable benefits and, most importantly, state highly efficient logistics support.
        It was not for nothing that I cited the example of "gambling zones" - businesses were lured there, in the end, for a while, everything seemed to work on a smaller scale and with a great creak, but in the end, the horses again suffered and the little that the entrepreneurs managed to create was desolate. It seems to me that this story did not add popularity to participation in some kind of projects "from above".
        It is worth noting that the factor of preference by the population of the European or warmer part of the country is probably, on the whole, irresistible, because this is not only a factor of complex amenities, it is also a factor of opportunities of all kinds. The conditions of the past decades have facilitated the outflow of a significant part of the adventurous-active-creative part of the population over the hillock-to the capital, these people now cannot be forced to settle in Siberia with "preferences". And the method of hammer and nails has already been applied - the era is not the same, and the nuts are already well screwed on without that.
        The problem of settling in the center of the country COULD be solved in the event of 10+ calm and fat years with large-scale construction, constant success and a giant credit of trust in the authorities. None of this is observed in our country now - besides, our bureaucracy is terribly ossified, we are unable to effectively conduct large-scale construction (for example, the Vostochny cosmodrome is the same) and a large-scale relocation of institutions with reorganization is also like death for us. Ask yourself, would you pull to Siberia for a new building at the present time?
        1. -1
          6 August 2021 13: 45
          We are unable to effectively carry out large-scale construction (for example, the Vostochny space center is the same) Vostochny first stage built now the second is being built in 2023 we will finish ZapSibneftekhim built Amur gas processing plant built 80% shipyard Zvezda built Taishet aluminum plant built the Central Ring Road three years ahead of schedule did and the Ministry of Defense did not few of them have been built around the country - so we do not build effectively, I disagree.
          Ask yourself, would you pull to Siberia on a new building at the present time. I have a house in Altai, I need to live or come to live where there are investment projects, air, clean views, stunning nature, beautiful. And why would someone be transported from the European part - when you can relocate the locals from the outskirts and get a job.
  27. 0
    5 August 2021 20: 23
    But, Seriously, Moscow has become an inhuman year for a person's life. She's huge. Every day to spend 1-2 hours to come to work and another 1-2 back home, this is the entropy of life, completely 3-4 hours from 16 weekdays, it was useless, Moscow stole one person, his family and work.
    If you have 1 or 2 working meetings, just do it!
    We need to do something, but what? let the wiser head in the RAS give an idea?
    1. +5
      5 August 2021 21: 18
      Quote: Wolf
      We need to do something, but what? let the wiser head in the RAS give an idea?

      Looks like they are happy with three hours to get to work. wink
  28. +4
    5 August 2021 20: 26
    Nazarbayev moved the capital from the city of Alma-ata to Tselinograd (Astana). There is a precedent! Ministries and the Government will be followed by servants and embassies. But this must be a new city! Muscovites are not liked in Russia! They will beat wassat
  29. +4
    5 August 2021 20: 27
    take, for example, the ministry of virtual construction and move it with the whole collective farm to a small village in siberia with the whole kagal ... and we will not recognize the village in a year ..... roads, bridges, metro, schools, banks ... everything will be ... the main thing together with the minister and the families of all officials - all there ...
  30. +2
    5 August 2021 20: 30
    Nobody will build anything. But I wonder who can be entrusted with pre-design studies, justifications, advertising, etc. poorly financially controlled jobs? (see the history of the HSR of the Russian Railways Moscow-St. Petersburg)
    1. 0
      5 August 2021 21: 10
      Yes, even if you entrust it to anyone, nothing good will come of it. Most of the large cities built according to the planned method turned out to be simply devilishly inconvenient for life. I can judge by its regional center, it seems to be simple, but how to get to work, then by all means loops with an overrun of 2,5 times through 18 traffic lights, where in a straight line 5 km. People in power and involved in construction, planning and roads simply won't let things go well.
  31. +1
    5 August 2021 20: 38
    By the way, dns is planning to build a city.
  32. +3
    5 August 2021 20: 39
    By the way, the climate is quite suitable, both for comfortable living and for the economy, Primorsky Territory and the south of the Khabarovsk Territory, as well as the south of the Amur Region and Transbaikalia, the question is that it was there that the industry suffered the most from the invasion of the handy bribe-takers of the reformers, and the people flee from there.
    1. -4
      5 August 2021 22: 51
      The population there is too criminalized - the legacy of the USSR and the 90s, this is how it will be updated, then it will make sense.
      1. +1
        5 August 2021 23: 03
        Well, I don’t know, there are, of course, individual villages in the Komsomolsk region on the Amur, I don’t argue, but my childhood and youth were spent in the village of Chegdomyn, and there even bus stops were called by the numbers of zones that once existed and there was no crime, plus all the thieves in the law, by the beginning of the second decade of this century, they were shot, who is unknown, so that the business has no criminal roofs for a long time, now there are other roofs
  33. +3
    5 August 2021 20: 55
    They cannot give the mind to the existing cities, about how they attacked large new cities laughing at whose expense they will be built laughing
  34. +3
    5 August 2021 21: 00
    it hurts to read that.
    about the text itself and it's awkward to speak somehow
    1. +4
      5 August 2021 21: 20
      Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
      it hurts to read that.
      about the text itself and it's awkward to speak somehow

      Another victim of the exam.
      1. +1
        5 August 2021 21: 34
        lol Yes, you are right, a deuce with a minus at least ... smile But let's be adults, the main point is correct.
        1. +4
          5 August 2021 21: 36
          Quote: Zhan
          But let's be adults, the main point is correct.

          Of course, I meant spelling and punctuation. hi
          1. +2
            6 August 2021 09: 20
            Quote: Terenin
            spelling and punctuation

            Gennady hi Where unopr. the form of the verb (what to do?, what to do?), everything is correct - the soft sign is still present. As for the rest, these are little things against the general background.
            In general, the sketch stirred up the local swamp. fellow
            They were told: deer, burn! And they lit the deer.Yes wassat
            1. +4
              6 August 2021 10: 01
              Quote: Paranoid50
              Quote: Terenin
              spelling and punctuation

              Gennady hi Where unopr. the form of the verb (what to do?, what to do?), everything is correct - the soft sign is still present. As for the rest, these are little things against the general background.
              In general, the sketch stirred up the local swamp. fellow
              They were told: deer, burn! And they lit the deer.Yes wassat

              Hello Alexander hi
              Maybe there is a turn of speech.
              "The minister believes that new settlements should become economic and scientific centers of the regions specializing on whatxlfor industries "
              1. +1
                6 August 2021 10: 15
                Quote: Terenin
                turn of speech.

                The comma (enumeration) is just stupidly missing. laughing hi
                1. +4
                  6 August 2021 10: 20
                  Quote: Paranoid50
                  Quote: Terenin
                  turn of speech.

                  The comma (enumeration) is just stupidly missing. laughing hi

                  laughing And there is. Thanks hi
                  1. 0
                    6 August 2021 10: 38
                    Quote: Terenin
                    And there is.

                    By the way:
  35. 0
    5 August 2021 21: 04
    The minister recalled that similar plans already existed at the end of the USSR, so there is nothing new in his proposal. True, due to the collapse of the Soviet Union, it soon became not up to these plans.

    Marx cites Hegel's thought in the following form: "Hegel notices somewhere that all the great world-historical events and personalities are repeated twice: the first time as a tragedy, and the second time as a farce."
  36. +1
    5 August 2021 21: 06
    He says everything correctly. We need to develop the north, and not make showcases from the south. And then, as always, they invested in the shop window and production, and then it happened to be abroad. The North isn't going anywhere.
    1. 0
      5 August 2021 21: 16
      Where have you seen a showcase in modern Russia? Compare two cities, Zaporozhye in Ukraine and Volgograd in Russia, they are like twin brothers in geography. The infrastructure in Zaporozhye is four times better developed. Do you propose to leave Volgograd in the same primitive state in which it is now, and rush to Siberia?
  37. +3
    5 August 2021 21: 07
    Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu proposes to start building large cities in Siberia. It is necessary that there are several of them, approximately from three to five with a population of 300 thousand to a million inhabitants.


    This proposal was made by the Russian head of the defense department at a meeting today with representatives of the scientific community of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences (RAS).

    The scientific community nodded their heads in agreement, clearly realizing that this was pre-election chatter.
  38. +1
    5 August 2021 21: 18
    Cities need to start building on the moon for the EP. The scientific community will approve.
  39. +1
    5 August 2021 21: 19
    Quote: fif21
    There is a precedent! Ministries and the Government will be followed by servants and embassies. But this must be a new city! Muscovites are not liked in Russia! They will beat

  40. -1
    5 August 2021 21: 22
    Quote: dauria
    All this talk of the minister about cities is empty chatter,


    It was in him that the maternal grandmother spoke. He's a builder who has turned away from the army, not a military man. wassat

    Have you seen such builders capable of raising the level of the military to a similar level?
    I will tell you this: "Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin (Dzhugashvili)". But he had a parish education and a theological seminary. Education does not give anyone anything, except for the possibility of self-education and the ability to work with literature and additional knowledge. Enough, my dear kindergarten comrades. There is a very rational grain in his words! I have the honor .. hi
    1. 0
      5 August 2021 23: 02
      All rationality in cutting the financial weights of paper-computer work today long before possible in reality. Money today and chairs tomorrow. As Nasreddin said, "and in 30 years either the padishah or the donkey will die"!
  41. +2
    5 August 2021 21: 36
    Unfortunately, we are now living according to the economics of the West. And in it the development of industry (not raw materials) and cities is possible only with state subsidies. It is always more profitable to build a plant in (conditionally) Vietnam from sticks and shit and start making a profit, and not build capital, and even insulated buildings with a load in the form of heating and energy, half a thousand kilometers from the nearest large energy hub. The Ministry of Defense can afford this, because other goals are not directly related to maximizing profits. BUT! It turns out semi-closed cities of the defense industry where the state security has a numerical superiority over the police. It was already like this, passed. I'd like to believe Sergey Kuzhugetovich, but with the current economic model, I don't see any profit. Only subsidies with an incomprehensible profit.
  42. 0
    5 August 2021 21: 47
    Chet all points to the fact that the Minister of Defense will become the president of Russia. Preparation has begun. And the thought is correct. And the regions of Siberia will develop and roads will have to be built, and the vulnerability to missiles will decrease in the form of an increase in flight time.
    1. 0
      5 August 2021 22: 55
      Vulnerability from missiles can only be reduced by an integrated and layered air defense system - which is what Shoigu and the Ministry of Defense are doing now.
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  44. +2
    5 August 2021 22: 04
    Quote: loki565
    P.S. learn geography, Siberia is not only
    Arctic ...

    You know, I regularly meet compatriots (and not only the Unified State Exam, but who graduated, judging by their age, from the Soviet school), for whom Siberia is snow all year round and all this is somewhere in the north. A curtain! How can you not recall Lavrov's quote, but earlier they laughed at amerskoy education (outlook). 70% of the "geographers" I have met are women.
  45. +2
    5 August 2021 22: 47
    The goal is not clear. Nowhere to spend money?
  46. 0
    5 August 2021 22: 53
    236 comments at the time of writing, I won't re-read everything, just ask, about the names of the cities already? Well, the first one is clear, Presidential City, the second Shoiginsk, and the third, is it really Zolotovsk?
  47. +1
    5 August 2021 23: 07
    The idea is, in principle, correct - in Russia, and so much is concentrated in Moscow, which makes it vulnerable to attack.
    But the weak point is the economic basis for such an idea.
    And the motives for population migration.
  48. +3
    5 August 2021 23: 28
    Once the Russian Empire, and after the Soviet one, planted a lot of resources in the Donbass ...
    Duc return the lost ...
    And to build in Siberia ... Nunu ... Start with the fact that you can develop and multiply what you already have. Create conditions. People will reach out
    .. And so, it all looks like the pre-election three
  49. 0
    5 August 2021 23: 30
    well, we decided on the replacement ... who will build?)
  50. +3
    5 August 2021 23: 32
    Another nonsense (well, if physiologically a person is "more comfortable" to live closer to the south, in the Crimea, Krasnodar ... etc .. watch, etc. "Any whim for three counters" why live there ... or global warming and it will soon be comfortable there?) or defense interests, then you just need to voice goals?
  51. -1
    5 August 2021 23: 41
    “It’s a completely different matter if the capital and large industrial centers are located somewhere in the Siberian outback. In this case, they will be practically invulnerable.”

    It’s interesting that no one paid attention to the words of the author, as if they were casually written quotes, but they settled in their heads. , except for the listing, but with sediment.
    We are again talking about the Siberian Republic, which does not exist and never will exist. The long-known program of our “friends”.
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  53. +3
    6 August 2021 00: 12
    The minister believes that the new settlements should become economic and scientific centers of the regions to specialize in any industries.
    Well, maybe they will build new ones, although I doubt it, not from Soviet times, but from old cities that are slowly dying out, what to do with them. Also Vorkuta, Norilsk...
  54. +4
    6 August 2021 01: 27
    The guy likes to chat, or maybe they asked for a sawing?
  55. kig
    +2
    6 August 2021 02: 06
    From a military point of view, since there are fears of NATO missiles in Europe, this maneuver is called “disperse.” We need to start with the Ministry of Defense and name the city, for example, Shoigin. Not too far from it should be placed the Ministry of Foreign Affairs named Zakharovo. And so on. Moscow can be left in place, just renamed Putinevo, and the former Muscovites will then disperse on their own.
  56. +1
    6 August 2021 02: 15
    Although there is a direct thought: “Why new cities if you can put the old ones in order?”, There is a point in building new cities.
    Old cities often have narrow roads, a shortage of parking, and a huge number of historical buildings that require maintenance and are prohibited from doing anything with them. They also have no or very weak storm drains and canals. The worst option is that the land next to the city belongs to the Ministry of Defense and the city will be locked within these borders for decades.
  57. 0
    6 August 2021 02: 54
    There’s something I didn’t understand - Kuzhugetovich seems to be from Tuva himself, he should be aware of the cities in Siberia. It’s like this here: Omsk, Tyumen, Tobolsk, Novosibirsk, Tomsk, Kemerovo, Barnaul, Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk. Novosibirsk has a million population. But this does not help with the current government policy, when all the money goes to Moscow.
    What, where and, most importantly, why does he propose to build?!
    1. 0
      6 August 2021 08: 43
      Omsk also seems to have a million population.
  58. -1
    6 August 2021 03: 29
    ***
    The Baikal expanses float and float,
    The Sayan Mountains turn blue in the distance.
    The capital of taiga Siberia will meet us,
    beloved Irkutsk, the middle of the Earth.
    ---

    Of all the cities, there are many of them in the world,
    look to the east and look to the west,
    through thousands of miles we will notice our city,
    and with his heart we will see the lights.
    ---

    Although there are cities that are more beautiful and higher,
    but wherever the paths of the Irkutsk people lie,
    they see you, they hear you,
    beloved Irkutsk, the middle of the Earth!
    ***
  59. +1
    6 August 2021 04: 43
    He, this what's-his-name, Buryat, or whoever he is, with the rank of lieutenant, is seriously talking about new cities in Siberia? Who will live there?
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  61. +1
    6 August 2021 06: 38
    The transfer of the capital to Siberia or the Urals has existed for a long time, in fact, the capital of Great Tartary was in Tobolsk, take heart, comrade leaders, and it’s time to saturate Siberia with people, develop it, create an attractive living climate and everything will work out. The main thing is that there are no words left, restore existing ones, and then new ones, China has experience.
  62. +3
    6 August 2021 06: 40
    Big ones in Siberia, which is certainly good. The question is how people will live there. Typically, such cities were built around production or trade routes.
    Will this turn out to be a gigantic cut of the budget? Or this cut will be some kind of secret reel, in case something happens...
    I don’t know, I don’t know... And no one knows...
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  66. +2
    6 August 2021 08: 53
    no work, no cities, now there is already a large outflow of population from Siberia. Huge investments are needed that will not pay off; this is not possible under capitalism.
  67. -3
    6 August 2021 09: 02
    Well, well, just another single-industry town? In 100 years, specialization will become irrelevant and they will begin to die out? Yes, in the same 100 years, a city anywhere in the world will be vulnerable to weapons.
    The Rotenbergs have probably run out of orders...
    1. 0
      6 August 2021 13: 51
      Single-industry towns are cities that live by one production - and they propose to build scientific multi-profile cities and technoparks.
      1. 0
        7 August 2021 18: 34
        Quote: Vadim237
        Single-industry towns are cities

        Single-industry towns are cities that can be called a “mona” city, but living there is “low”.
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  69. +4
    6 August 2021 09: 31
    About the choice of a new Tsar of the Russian Federation - it is quite possible... There is another option - our continuation is in children. In several deposits of coal, polymetals, oil, gas, and gold - oh so much has been explored in the Russian Federation. The companies that own these deposits are ready to build cities with a population of 40-50 thousand, the volume of explored reserves, with current production technologies, for 50-60 years, a rotational camp is not an option. Who brought the Hero of Labor to the President and introduced him? That's right - Hero of Russia, former chief of the Ministry of Emergency Situations. And now the youngest daughter of the Hero of Russia is leading the “Island of Forts” project in Kronstadt. Well, what a joy, the girl got pregnant! Now she will go on maternity leave, “K-3” will be brought from Kola without her and installed. And it will be possible to raise an effective manager to the top: even while on maternity leave, I was thinking about the people and the people, leading the project, and everything worked out. The girl needs to be given another toy with budget funding - a city in Siberia! But the boat won’t be completed at the Sviyaga dock or the project deadline will be missed - and the girl gave birth and was breastfeeding. I couldn’t control it....If anything happens, Ksenia Sergeevna Shoigu is the country’s main builder - Arkady Romanovich - who will always help everyone. The debt is worth paying, especially since he has known Ksyusha Shoigu since childhood... And if the enemies of the Fatherland open their mouths against the hero of the triathlon and the “Race of Heroes”, then the older sister will immediately turn on the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation. Fortunately, one of her “generals,” Mr. Zakharov (yes, yes, the same one who was the prosecutor of the Moscow region. When the Moscow region prosecutors-protectors of the business smoldered and smoldered and completely went out) is having breakfast with Yulia Sergeevna in the same kitchen.
    1. +1
      6 August 2021 11: 02
      That's what I think too. Too often, elementary commercialism is hidden behind the pomposity.
      At first it was stressful, but then I was pleased (judging by the mass of comments above) by our ineradicable optimism, faith in verbiage and a well-developed image. There’s also no nest for the chicken in sight, and what to serve with scrambled eggs or an omelet is hotly debated. And I am somewhere a Soviet romantic.
  70. +2
    6 August 2021 12: 44
    After the construction of the military church, Shoigu woke up as a great builder. Well, what else should the Minister of Defense do? The defense is all built.
    1. -1
      6 August 2021 13: 56
      It’s lined up - no one will ever attack Russia, except maybe 100% suicides. After the construction of the military church, it was built a long time ago - and besides it, the Moscow Region built a lot of things, including Covid hospitals throughout the country.
  71. +1
    6 August 2021 14: 17
    Siberia....Here some types of power have not been able to transfer from Moscow to St. Petersburg for 25 years. Then there was a more recent scare - all airline enterprises from Moscow should be moved to the region. They don't go either. It’s one thing to walk along the Yauza during your lunch break in the summer, and quite another to look at industrial landfills in the Troitsk area...
  72. +2
    6 August 2021 16: 24
    Some strange note about the statements of the Minister of Defense. It is as if he proposed to deploy new divisions and equip them with all the necessary weapons. What to do with existing cities located on approximately the same territory? I know the names of three for sure - Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk, Omsk. Cities where more than a million Russian citizens live. Perhaps high-speed railways could be built between these Siberian cities? Maybe modernize (but not close), build new enterprises, for example, for the production of semiconductors, printed circuit boards, processors, scientific centers, research institutes, design studios, etc. rubbish, without which no city can be built today? Attract young people from the center to work for them, where there is “overpopulation” in cities with a population of 10 million. Just not in the same way as they attracted Komsomol members to the Tselina or BAM, but to build good satellite villages around the cities with modern infrastructure, “smart houses”, a developed cultural component, public catering, airports, train stations (young people today are mobile), clinics, hospitals, maternity hospitals, schools and kindergartens (young people tend to want to continue their family lineage by having children). And present all this without lies and enticements. To the point that whoever comes to such villages and works there will not serve in the army for military service. And then, you see, the capital itself will appear, better than the official one, but not burdened with officialdom, defense, or foreign affairs.
    In a word, it is not clear what Comrade Minister meant, if he really spoke about it.
  73. 0
    6 August 2021 17: 01
    Why build something there..... There is plenty of setup. We need to give people the opportunity to live THERE. And not to bankrupt the local enterprises and to survive people from there anywhere.
    Everywhere Moscow “managers” get into, there is a mess.
  74. +1
    6 August 2021 17: 26
    Populate these cities with Muscovites. And no one else. True, they will not produce anything except their own kind
    1. +1
      7 August 2021 18: 38
      Quote: Alexey Kurilov_4
      True, they will not produce anything except their own kind

      They are not capable of their own kind. Half of Moscow's population does not have Russian roots.
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  76. 0
    6 August 2021 18: 42
    For thirty years, not a single city has been built, only destroyed. What, elections are around the corner?
  77. +2
    6 August 2021 21: 48
    Just imagine how the price per square meter in Moscow will fall if the capital is moved to Siberia.
  78. ada
    +1
    7 August 2021 00: 30
    Yes, there is nothing funny or new in this. I don’t know what the minister has to do with it, although this is not the first time that rumors about the “continuity” of power have been heard. Planning for the development of the center of the country with the saturation of human resources was carried out more than once, both before WWII and after. Individual plans were implemented. And what is now This is not the USSR, it doesn’t fundamentally change anything. You will still have to crawl away, even waving a vigorous baton, fortunately there is still somewhere to go and regardless of whether the people want it or not. In fact, this is a question of the survival of the country’s population as part of a single state. There is no talk about the unreality of a worsening situation it is necessary and about nuclear Armageddon is unnecessary. Modern planning of expansionism in the development of the countries of the West and South-East is much deeper and more extensive than at the beginning and middle of the last century and simply war cannot be done here and their actions are more than real and pragmatic and no one will die in the nuclear inferno None of these countries have changed or will change the vector of their expansion, some to the east, others to the north. This cannot be ignored, time is running out. We need to take advantageous positions now. When the borders in these directions begin to collapse and the infrastructure of the state begins to fall apart in entire regions, the people may very sharply change their desires and want to feel the presence of a rear and the prospect of life, but it may be too late and they will have to accept someone else’s domination. This is still acceptable for many people, but it is not for everyone. Analyzes of the degree of possible adaptation to new conditions of large masses of the population are negative. Analyzes of the stability of the current system of government to external influences are not rosy in many areas and have been well studied by our “partners”. Promising models for building sustainable development of the state in continuous contradictions, the elimination of which requires poorly predictable time, and we don’t have it anyway, and they are taking advantage of it. In the end, everything comes to a choice - either elements of a mobilization socio-economic nature with the surrender of a number of positions, or everything will be gradually taken away from us anyway. In any case, the initiative must come from the existing government, which at the moment has all the information and levers of control and will have to swear and crucify itself in front of people and have an honest conversation. As for the cities, that’s not where we started yet.
    Yes, about investments - it’s funny, the essence is a permanent debt (maybe God will provide?). There is a direct correlation - the larger and deeper they are (despite even the hidden credit and banking nature in the existing system) - the closer NATO and the PLA are. Money as a “commodity” is not controlled by us; the banks will have to be “killed” sooner or later, or they will finish us off. We need to start with the “garlic” of dialogue between the leaders and the people and then a whole range of directions, all at once, but the main thing is education and humanistic ideology. Talk to people and people will be drawn to you.
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  80. 0
    7 August 2021 03: 46
    You just need to change the existing ugly scheme of income redistribution between regions, when Moscow rips everyone off "to the skin" and then distributes handouts.....
    The money that Russia receives from the export of Siberian oil and gas needs to be invested in the development of Siberia....
    People themselves will be drawn to where life is better and more satisfying.
    The problem of overpopulation in Moscow and the region where almost 20% of the Russian population lives will be solved by itself.
    There should be at least three capital cities in Russia:
    - Moscow
    - Ekaterinburg
    - Novosibirsk
    The necessary infrastructure of government and defense institutions should be created in these cities, and the capital should move every five years.
    Then the development of the country will be uniform and in terms of defense the likelihood of maintaining central power will increase three times.
    1. +2
      7 August 2021 18: 44
      Quote: assault
      There should be at least three capital cities in Russia:
      - Moscow
      - Ekaterinburg
      - Novosibirsk

      I am interested in only one question: “On what basis did Moscow take upon itself the functions of managing industries, of which only central offices are in the capital?”
      It’s time to remove the State Duma, the Northern Fleet, Rosneft, Gazprom, and Roscosmos from Moscow... It’s in the existing cities that control centers need to be created... Although, what is there to manage when video communication creates the effect of presence. Moscow must be resettled without a doubt. There's no point in growing a cancerous tumor there.
  81. +1
    7 August 2021 13: 26
    Yes, elections are coming very soon... You can’t say anything, you can’t promise anything))
    We already have cities, we don’t have the money to develop them! That is, there is money, but not with us and not about us, because no matter what happens in the country. we don’t touch their standard of living
  82. 0
    7 August 2021 22: 06
    I read the comments, I’m especially pleased with the 15 rubles! They talk about prospects, roads and BAM! Laughter, this state is only capable of pumping resources and pushing them over the hill! Dot! He has no other choice! Peripheral capitalism is about something else!
  83. 0
    7 August 2021 22: 07
    Quote: Tuzik
    no work, no cities, now there is already a large outflow of population from Siberia. Huge investments are needed that will not pay off; this is not possible under capitalism.

    Beautiful places! What kind of location? Expanse of course wow!
  84. 0
    9 August 2021 05: 21
    Normal offer.

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