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The most famous night ram of the Great Patriotic War

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The most famous night ram of the Great Patriotic War
Viktor Talalikhin poses against the background of a bomber he shot down


The night ram, which was carried out by the pilot of the Moscow air defense, junior lieutenant Viktor Vasilyevich Talalikhin, belongs to the textbook feats of the Great Patriotic War. He entered the military forever history our country and was widely used for propaganda purposes already in August 1941. After the end of the war, the pilot and the night battering ram he performed remained forever in the memory of grateful compatriots.

Nine nights before Talalikhin's ramming


In fairness, it should be noted that the first night ram, 9 nights before the events described, was committed on the night of July 29 by Senior Lieutenant Pyotr Vasilyevich Eremeev. As the deputy squadron commander of the 27th IAP from the 6th Fighter Air Corps of the Moscow Air Defense Forces, Pyotr Eremeev began one of the first fighter pilots to perform night flights on the MiG-3. On the night of July 29, 1941, Eremeev shot down a Junkers Ju 88 bomber with a night ram and survived.

It so happened that his name remained little known for many years, despite the fact that the writer Alexei Tolstoy dedicated his essay to Yeremeyev's feat. For a long time, only his fellow soldiers knew about the hero's ramming. At the same time, the ram of Eremeev was noted even in German documents, which was a rather rare occurrence. Usually, aircraft lost in this way were marked as not returning from combat missions, and the pilots were considered missing. But in this case, one of the members of the downed Ju 88 managed to cross the front line and talked about the fate of the bomber.

In fact, justice triumphed only decades later, when by the decree of the President of the Russian Federation Boris Yeltsin of September 21, 1995, pilot Peter Eremeev was posthumously awarded the title of Hero of the Russian Federation. Unfortunately, like the young fighter pilot Viktor Talalikhin, Pyotr Eremeev died in battles in the fall of 1941.

Victor Vasilievich Talalikhin


Viktor Vasilyevich Talalikhin was born on October 18, 1918 in the small village of Teplovka in the Saratov province. At the time of the feat, he was 22 years old. Already at an early age, the future fighter pilot moved to Moscow with his family. As a teenager, he started his working career early. From 1933 to 1937, Viktor Talalikhin worked at the Mikoyan Moscow Meat Processing Plant.


Junior Lieutenant Viktor Vasilievich Talalikhin

Young Talalikhin combined work at the meat-packing plant with classes in the flying club of the Proletarsky district of the capital. Like many young men of those years, he dreamed of the sky and aviation... In 1937, Victor entered the Borisoglebsk military aviation school, where he completed his studies in December 1938. Upon graduation from school, he receives an appointment in the Moscow region in the 27th IAP. This air regiment was stationed in Klin near the capital and was distinguished by a well-chosen personnel composition. There were many former test pilots in the regiment.

As part of the regiment's squadron, armed with I-153 "Chaika" aircraft, Viktor Talalikhin managed to take part in the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940. During his time at the front, Talalikhin made 47 sorties and was nominated for the Order of the Red Star. After the end of the conflict, the pilot returned to the Moscow region again, continuing his service in the 27th Fighter Aviation Regiment.

Just before the start of the Great Patriotic War, the pilot was transferred to the 177th IAP being formed. In May 1941, Viktor Talalikhin became deputy squadron commander of this regiment. By that time, despite his youth, he was already a fairly experienced pilot who had real combat missions behind him during the Soviet-Finnish war.

The 177th regiment, the formation of which went from May 10 to July 6, 1941, meets the Great Patriotic War at the Klin airfield as part of the 6th Fighter Air Corps of the Moscow Air Defense Forces. One of the regiment's tasks was to cover the capital of the USSR from air raids from the north-western direction.

The 177th IAP was armed with I-16 fighters of the last series. These were I-16 type 29 aircraft. The armament of these aircraft consisted of two synchronous 7,62-mm ShKAS machine guns and one large-caliber 12,7-mm BS machine gun. An important feature of the aircraft was the presence of the M-63 engine, which developed power up to 1100 hp. This was important for the aircraft's flight performance, since the fighters of the previous series: Type 18 and Type 27, assembled in 1939, received 62 hp M-800 engines.


Viktor Talalikhin and Lyubov Orlova on the set of "Fighting Film Collection No. 4", August 1941

It was also important that the aircraft were produced at the end of 1940. They did not have time to develop their resource, they differed in a small bloom. In addition to more powerful engines, fighters were distinguished by protected fuel tanks, as well as equipment for placing rockets. All fighters had radios, and some of the machines received radio transmission equipment.

By the end of July 1941, the regiment was a formidable force, armed with 52 I-16 fighters, and at that time there were 116 pilots in the regiment. The first aerial victory of the 177th IAP was won on July 26, 1941. On this day, Captain Samsonov shot down a Ju-88 bomber in an air battle near the Lenino station.

Talalikhin's night ram


On the night of August 7, 1941, junior lieutenant Viktor Talalikhin successfully rams the German Heinkel He 111 bomber in the skies over the Moscow region. This ram will be one of the first night rams of the Great Patriotic War, at the same time becoming the most famous.

Taking off on patrol at about 22:55, Viktor Talalikhin quite quickly meets the German medium twin-engine bomber Heinkel He 111 in the sky. This happens in the sky south of Podolsk at an altitude of 4500 to 5000 meters. Viktor Talalikhin makes several attempts to shoot down an enemy vehicle by firing machine guns at the bomber.

In his stories about air combat, the fighter pilot said that one of the bursts he managed to damage the right engine of Heinkel, but the plane still continued to fly and tried to break away from the pursuit. Only after using up all the ammunition, Talalikhin decides to ram.


Fighter I-16 type 29 with suspended RS, photo: aviaru.rf

It is worth noting that in 2014 the search engines found the hero's plane, there were still cartridges in the belts of the ShKAS and BS machine guns. Perhaps the machine guns were in flight for some reason. Unfortunately, this happened quite often with Soviet fighters. So, the UBS heavy machine gun, which was on the I-16 type 29, was not particularly reliable by that time. From the units there were complaints about machine gun failures. Naturally, during the air battle Talalikhin could not determine for sure whether he ran out of cartridges or machine guns refused due to a technical malfunction.

Left without machine-gun armament, Talalikhin, without a moment's hesitation, decides to ram a German bomber. The fighter pilot wanted to chop off the tail of a German plane with a propeller. On approaching the enemy, the German shooter opened fire from a machine gun and wounded Talalikhin in his right arm. Fortunately, the wound turned out to be light and allowed the hero not only to complete his plans, but also to successfully leave the damaged fighter.

After the I-16 hit, Talalikhin rolled onto his back and lost control. The pilot jumps out of the car at an altitude of about 2,5 kilometers. Already descending by parachute, Victor sees a twin-engine bomber shot down by him, to which he damaged the tail unit by a blow from a propeller-driven group. Talalikhin's plane crashed near the village of Stepygino (today the territory of the urban district of Domodedovo).

Having successfully landed, the pilot first of all draws attention to the wristwatch, which stopped at the moment of impact. The hands of the clock showed 23 hours 28 minutes. The crew of the German bomber was much less fortunate, from its composition only one person survived - the pilot Feldwebel Rudolf Schick. For 21 days he tried to reach the front line and practically reached, but was captured in the Vyazma area.


Photo: goskatalog.ru

Today we know that Viktor Talalikhin shot down an He-111 bomber from the 7th Squadron of the 26th Bomber Squadron. It was not an ordinary bomber, its crew consisted of five instead of four, which was explained by the modification of the machine. The bomber was equipped with the X-Gerät navigation system and an additional antenna was installed. Such machines were used by the Germans for target designation to other groups of bombers. The operator of this system was an additional (fifth) crew member.

After the ram


Viktor Talalikhin became famous literally immediately after the perfect ram. Already on August 7, at the Mikoyan meat-packing plant, where the fighter pilot worked before the war, a press conference was held with his participation. Foreign journalists who were in Moscow were also invited to this event. Also, representatives of the foreign press organized a trip to the wreckage of the crashed He 111 bomber and showed the bodies of four dead crew members.

Already on August 8, just a day after the night ramming, Viktor Talalikhin was officially awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union with the presentation of the Gold Star medal and the Order of Lenin. On August 9, the award order was published in Soviet newspapers. Viktor Talalikhin became the first fighter pilot of the 6th Air Defense Corps of Moscow, who was awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union.

According to one version, such a prompt reward could be due to the fact that at that very time the allies were actively discussing the possibility of helping the USSR and Moscow's prospects to resist the aggressor. On July 30, 1941, the closest aide to American President Roosevelt, Harry Hopkins, arrived in Moscow. And already in the first half of August, Churchill and Roosevelt came to an agreement on sending official representatives to Moscow to negotiate with Stalin.


Against this background, the feat that Viktor Talalikhin performed in the Moscow sky was very useful. It was a chance to demonstrate to the Western allies the unwavering desire of the Soviet people to fight and defend their capital and the sky over the city by performing heroic deeds and risking their lives. In addition, all the components of success were evident: a living hero pilot, the wreckage of a downed plane, the corpses of the dead German pilots and their documents. All this constituted excellent material for the Soviet and foreign press.

After the wounds received in the battle with the German bomber healed, Talalikhin returned to service as a lieutenant squadron commander of the 177th IAP. Unfortunately, the brave pilot manages to meet only his 23rd birthday. Lieutenant Viktor Talalikhin died in an air battle in the skies over Podolsk on October 27, 1941.
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  1. Darkness
    Darkness 7 August 2021 03: 57
    +8
    Well, well, ah-yes I-shki were in the air defense of the capital !!!
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 7 August 2021 04: 06
      +13
      Air ramming is indisputably the hallmark of the Russian Air Force. We remember Nesterov's first ram in the world, and the followers of our renowned aviator did not disappoint either. IN first (!!!) day of the Great Patriotic War the ram was carried out by 15 (!!!) Soviet pilots... In the future, this technique began to be used so often that rumors began to circulate among German pilots about suicide squadrons in the Soviet Air Force. The Great Patriotic War passed, the Japanese company began. It seems that there is no need for the Red Falcon to risk much, and again a series of rams! As they say, we don't need kamikaze - we are kamikaze ourselves! soldier
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 7 August 2021 04: 49
        +11
        In my opinion, I read in Zimin's memoirs that he had a pilot in his unit who constantly rammed enemy planes, always citing that his weapon was jammed or there was some other reason .. When, after all, Zimin brought him to clean water , it turned out that he lied about the experience of the raid on destroy, and he flew on the U-2 and did not know how to shoot! Therefore, he rammed planes under various pretexts. He was afraid that if all this was revealed, he would be sent back to fly on plywood. Marvelous, he was more afraid of transfer to another plane than a ram! hi
        1. vch62388
          vch62388 7 August 2021 05: 23
          +9
          Forgive me, well, something really badly believes Zimin. Yes, there were a lot of rams in repelling the raids on Moscow. I honestly don't know why. Perhaps due to poor flight and shooting training. But over and over again beat your war machine ...
          By the way, it is not clear why Shavrov does not have a word about the I-16 type 29 in his "History of Structures ...". It seems that it has not been secret for a long time. Why? Who knows - share ...
          1. svp67
            svp67 7 August 2021 07: 54
            +6
            Quote: vch62388
            By the way, it is not clear why Shavrov does not have a word about the I-16 type 29 in his "History of Structures ...". It seems that it has not been secret for a long time. Why? Who knows - share ...

            With all due respect to Shavrov and his work, he was sometimes mistaken or presented his point of view.
            There is a monograph by Mikhail Maslov "Fighter I-16" by EXPRINT Publishing House in 2005
            It contains as a description of this modification
            I-16 type 29 with M-63 engine. A large-caliber machine gun "BS" (Berezina synchronous) of 12,7 mm caliber is installed in the lower part of the fuselage, in the space between the chassis niches, there is no wing armament. The oil cooler has been moved to the space between the fourth and fifth cylinders of the engine. The inlet pipe of the oil radiator is moved, respectively, into the space between the windows of these cylinders. Part of the I-16 type 29 ns had a branch pipe, the air supply was carried out through slotted louvers. In connection with the transfer of the oil cooler, the manual start of the RI engine was removed. Chassis height decreased by 32 mm. The chassis niches have moved apart - the distance from the vertical axis to the wheel axle in the retracted position has increased from 380 to 421 mm. The space between the landing gear niches is closed by a removable fairing, the Type 29 report has slightly "plumped" from below. In connection with the above alterations, the center section skin has changed. Radio-equipped aircraft had a mast antenna mounted on the right side of the hood. The propeller is reduced to a diameter of 2,7 m.
            Suspended tanks and rocket armament ("RS") could be installed depending on the order on types 18, 24, 27, 28. I-16 type 29 were equipped with "RS" installations and suspension assemblies of dropped gas tanks. The area of ​​the "RS" installation on the lower part of the wing and the corresponding section of the zlerons were sheathed with duralumin sheet.

            So is his image ...
            1. Unknown
              Unknown 7 August 2021 23: 22
              +3
              I read with interest Artem Drabkin "I fought in a fighter", and there are interesting memories of those who fought in the I-16, for example Nikolai Gerasimovich Golodnikov
              And here are some interesting moments from the memoirs "Returning to your arrival at the front, on what types of I-16 did you have to fight?
              - When I got to the North, then in the regiment I immediately began to fly on the 28th, 29th types, with the 63rd engine. Although there were only six of us on the 29th, then after the bombing only two remained and they did not play a special role, then they were transferred to a neighboring regiment.

              I loved the I-16, although it was a complex aircraft, strict in piloting technique - the slightest tug of the handle, and it fell into a tailspin. True, he came out quickly, even from a simple one, even from an inverted one. But the I-16 was very maneuverable, performed any aerobatics, and was a unique aircraft in terms of horizontal maneuverability. His cockpit was small, but he was a small plane in itself, and it was impossible to expand it. Overview? The forehead is large, the engine is close to the cockpit, it covers a large angle in front. Of course, if you walk in a straight line, the view was not very good, but we never walked in a straight line on the I-16 - "snake", banks left and right, this is constant. When you get used to it, the visibility is normal. What kind of weapon was it?
              - The armament was very diverse. On the 28th and 17th types there were cannon armament, on the 4th, 5th, 10th and 29th types - machine-gun armament. Although on the part of fighters, "Berezina" and ShVAK could be interchangeable. The destructive ability of ShKAS was small. As for the Me-109E (Bf109E), the ShKAS were not bad, the “E” was not sufficiently armored, but for the “F” or bombers - poorly. Was there a problem with the operation of the engines?
              - The engines on the I-16 were good, very reliable. Two or three cylinders will damage - and you will come home anyway. And the "63rd" engine is "power"! Very torquey! The I-16 generally "went for gas", accelerated to the maximum instantly, with the "63" in particular. He worked well at all altitudes up to 6-7 thousand. But there were practically no battles at such heights. We tried to lower the battle, by 1-2 thousand. The Germans, too, did not climb especially to the height, they tried to hold on to 4-5 thousand. At this altitude, the Messer engine showed the best performance. The I-16 produced fuel in 40–45 minutes, and in battle it took 25–30 minutes in general. Was the I-16 much inferior to the Messerschmitt?
              - All the main types of I-16-10, 17, 21 types - in terms of their performance characteristics were inferior to Me-109E, but not very much, the old types - 4,5 - of course, stronger. But I-16 28 and 29 types of Me-109E were superior. Their speed with the Messer was the same, but in terms of maneuverability, including and on the vertical "E" the "donkey" was inferior.
              In any reference book, it is said that the speed of I-16s is 28–29 types per 3000 m on average 440–460 km / h, for the Me-109E - 570 km / h, and you say the same? And “the superiority of the I-16 in a vertical maneuver” is generally something new.
              - At maximum speed in a maneuvering battle, rarely anyone flies, or rather, rarely anyone succeeds. I-16, in principle, easily and quickly made up to 500 km / h, "E" flew faster, but not much, in battle there was practically no difference in their speed. The acceleration dynamics of the I-16 was amazing, especially with the M-63. This is its second unique quality after horizontal maneuverability. In terms of dynamics, it surpassed all the then domestic fighters, even new types. Then the Yak-1 was closest to him in terms of acceleration dynamics, but he was inferior. "Messer" dived well, left, the I-16 was worse here, the "forehead" was large, it did not allow to develop more than 530 km / h on a dive. But, I must say, in battle, if it was necessary to break away, that they were from us, that we were from them, they always broke away either on a dive or on a vertical, depending on the situation. [... Here I read the veteran and I think. How so? All sorts of scribblers who write about the initial period of the war. excitedly repeated the I-16 old plane to fight. and it is impossible on it etc. .And Nikolai Gerasimovich says you can. and how.
          2. tasha
            tasha 7 August 2021 11: 30
            +5
            By the way, it is not clear why Shavrov does not have a word about the I-16 type 29 in his "History of Structures ..."
            Is.
            "In addition to those listed above, there were other variants and modifications of the I-16 aircraft, which are only mentioned: I-16 s.s., I-16 s.p., I-16 with M-25E, I-16 type 29, etc. Different versions of the I-16 had some differences in flight qualities, which varied somewhat depending on the power of engines, loads, weapons and suspensions, but their speed did not exceed 440 km / h at the ground and 489 km / h at altitude 5000 m. " (quoted from 5th edition, 2002)
            1. vch62388
              vch62388 8 August 2021 20: 51
              +2
              I only have the first edition. Signed to print on 20.02.68. 5800 copies Moscow printing house number 8, ukraintsevsky per., 7.
              Although he is to blame, he clarified. There is a mention just in your editorial office. I'm sorry, I'll fix it.
              1. vch62388
                vch62388 8 August 2021 20: 54
                +1
                Automation corrects the address of the publication to "Ukraintsevskiy per.", Although "Hoнlovskiy" is indicated. There is no other way to write.
      2. Darkness
        Darkness 7 August 2021 04: 58
        +5
        And here is what is nicer to whom: one will see a high level of self-sacrifice and heroism (a hellish mixture, probably), and the other - low technical support and indoctrination.
        1. SERGE ANT
          SERGE ANT 7 August 2021 05: 19
          +10
          one will see high levels of self-sacrifice and heroism, while the other will see low tech support and indoctrination.
          I hope there will be more of the first ones.
        2. Proxima
          Proxima 7 August 2021 06: 08
          +10
          Quote: Dunkelheit
          And here is what is nicer to whom: one will see a high level of self-sacrifice and heroism (a hellish mixture, probably), and the other - low technical support and indoctrination.

          Well, why are these cheap rantings of yours? First, this emoticon hi is a tribute to this undoubtedly selfless pilot. Thoughtless rams and almost one hundred percent death of the pilot and the loss of the plane - absolutely no one needs. Even a kamikaze, if he did not see a worthy goal, then calmly returned to his airfield... And no one could reproach him for this. The landing gear falling off during takeoff and the one-way refueling are bikes. If you are giving your life and your plane, sell it as expensive as possible. At Pokryshkin, a simply stunning ram was described. When the formation of German bombers was already preparing to drop bombs on our positions, and the Aircobra group did not have time to make a second attack. Then two of our fighters went to ram, and in the forehead! The double battering ram simply stunned the Germans. The line of bombers crumbled, the bombing was disrupted! This is truly a great self-sacrifice! And I think in principle it is correct that Zimin sternly reprimanded this undoubtedly brave, but reckless and ardent pilot. If there is an opportunity not to die and not to lose the fighter, but still to defeat the enemy, then this opportunity should undoubtedly be used.
          1. Darkness
            Darkness 7 August 2021 06: 44
            -9
            And you, I see a supporter - "women still give birth", since this is "cheap ranting"?
            1. Proxima
              Proxima 7 August 2021 07: 33
              +7
              Quote: Dunkelheit
              And you, I see a supporter - "women still give birth", since this is "cheap ranting"?

              Please expand your thought in more detail. I don't see any logic in it yet.
          2. Pavel the builder
            Pavel the builder 9 August 2021 06: 49
            0
            Much aerial combat depends on the situation. The price of a fighter is much less than a bomber that is ready to drop bombs and do significant damage. And the price of a reconnaissance spotter ... and the pilots there are very prepared. Yes, and sometimes seconds decide in battle. The attack takes only 1-2 minutes, and you may not have time to make the second run.
        3. ohka_new
          ohka_new 7 August 2021 10: 04
          +2
          And for me, the expression is more accurate: "Heroes are needed where there are no professionals"
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 7 August 2021 13: 25
            +7
            And what did the French army lack?
            Professionalism or Heroism?
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 8 August 2021 12: 12
              +1
              Quote: hohol95
              And what did the French army lack?
              Professionalism or Heroism?

              Professionalism. The same actions of the French armored vehicles almost one to one coincide with our MK in 1941. Reconnaissance failures, delays or wrong places of counterstrikes, pulling apart armored formations to solve particular problems, lack of interaction and attempts to solve problems with "naked" tanks, understaffing (despite more than half a year of wartime).
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 8 August 2021 12: 25
                0
                And how did they allow this to happen?
                France suffered greatly from WWI, but if you compare it with the devastation in Russia after WWI and Civil ...
                They were ruined by personal snobbery!
                And not a desire to spend money on new developments. The arsenals accumulated during WWI dragged them to the bottom. And the old generals did not want to part with them and sell or "distribute" them.
                And the desire to "not strain" the people with "excessive" militarization. The French did not want their "bones" to once again upset the fields of their country.
                1. No name B
                  No name B 8 August 2021 22: 56
                  +1
                  Skoko I drive along the French autobahns, everywhere there are posters of memory of WWII, military cemeteries are beautiful and well-groomed, but I’m silent about WWII, only sometimes in the area there is a Sherman with a hole in it, then a Willis with an armored personnel carrier ...
            2. dgonni
              dgonni 8 August 2021 22: 03
              0
              The French army did not have enough planes and the ground army.
              They had either gut or atas in the air.
              Depending on the type of application.
              Well, the emphasis on defense like Mzhino psychologically knocked them out.
        4. hohol95
          hohol95 7 August 2021 11: 56
          +2
          Then, in your opinion, how do you explain the words of the German pilot said during the interrogation - In war, a soldier should not think. The Fuehrer thinks for him!
      3. Fitter65
        Fitter65 7 August 2021 12: 45
        +2
        Quote: Proxima
        It seems that there is no need for the Red Falcon to risk too much, and again a series of rams! As they say, we don't need kamikaze - we are kamikaze ourselves!

        And how much is a series?one air ram was committed in the Soviet-Japanese war in August 1945. But you are an expert.
    2. svp67
      svp67 7 August 2021 07: 40
      +8
      Quote: Dunkelheit
      Well, well, ah-yes I-shki were in the air defense of the capital !!!

      And yes, HEROES were on those "Moskas" ...
      ... Viktor Talalikhin makes several attempts to shoot down an enemy vehicle by firing machine guns at the bomber.
      In his stories about air combat, the fighter pilot said that one of the bursts he managed to damage the right engine of Heinkel, but the plane still continued to fly and tried to break away from the pursuit. Only after using up all the ammunition, Talalikhin decides to ram.

      So the question is, poor shooting training or low effectiveness of weapons ... I tend to the latter. 7,62 mm bullets, for "Non-111", which is "pellet to the elephant", but how many 12,7 mm BS could shoot is unknown
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 8 August 2021 12: 18
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        I lean towards the latter. 7,62 mm bullets, for "Non-111", which is "pellet to the elephant", but how many 12,7 mm BS could shoot is unknown

        In 2014, search engines found Talalikhin's plane.
        Amazed by the number of burned cartridges. The remnants of the ammunition of the BS machine gun totaled about 160 pieces, the ShKAS machine gun - at least 450 pieces. Sleeves were found randomly throughout the excavation, as well as in ribbons that were in crushed cartridge boxes. In the excavation, several small distorted parts of the BS machine gun were also discovered.

        So the maximum that Talalikhin could shoot from the BS is 70 rounds.
      2. dgonni
        dgonni 8 August 2021 22: 07
        +1
        The zipper has in his memoirs for the same 111th in 41 years.
        He shot the entire bk at 3 miars, but to no avail.
        Didn't ram because? For 41 years and the retreat and the front line is not clear where.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 8 August 2021 22: 10
          0
          Quote: dgonni
          The zipper has in his memoirs for the same 111th in 41 years.
          He shot the entire bk at 3 miars, but to no avail.

          In-in. And here they tell us about the sufficiency of one BS and two ShKAS for a fighter.
          1. svp67
            svp67 9 August 2021 04: 58
            0
            Quote: Alexey RA
            In-in. And here they tell us about the sufficiency of one BS and two ShKAS for a fighter.

            With one clarification. Pokryshkin remembered this episode, since before this departure from his MiG-3 plane, by order of the senior command, TWO underwing machine guns BS were removed.
            And after this battle, in the book, he asks the question, why was this done, if the power of the aircraft fell sharply?
            He did not say that it was done FORCEDLY, since there were not enough weapons for the new aircraft at that moment.
      3. Pavel the builder
        Pavel the builder 9 August 2021 06: 52
        0
        The plane is not in the dash, but flies and at a decent speed. The stock of cartridges for the barrel-250-350 is only 150-200 for the BS. Effective firing range 250 meters. It is very difficult to hit the target from a distance of 400 meters
        1. svp67
          svp67 9 August 2021 06: 56
          +1
          Quote: Paul the Builder
          It is very difficult to hit the target from a distance of 400 meters

          And who said that at night he shot from 400 meters? I’m afraid that it’s hard to see someone else’s plane from such a distance at night, without special devices.
          According to the recollections of the pilots, the main sign by which they found the enemy aircraft at night was flashes in the exhaust manifolds of the engines.
    3. vovochkarzhevsky
      vovochkarzhevsky 7 August 2021 09: 19
      +2
      Well, well, why did the I-16 not suit you in the air defense?
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 7 August 2021 14: 19
        +1
        Usually the most important parameters for an air defense fighter were speed, rate of climb and потолок... Here the I-16, to put it mildly, "did not shine", but the MiG-3, on the contrary, showed itself well in this role, which in battles at low and medium altitudes at the front often lost to Bf. -109
        1. vovochkarzhevsky
          vovochkarzhevsky 7 August 2021 14: 28
          0
          You probably forgot that air defense also has separation. And to attract the MiG-3 for work below average heights, to put it mildly, is unreasonable. Therefore, the overlap of the lower echelon of the I-16 is quite justified.
          For example, since the eighties, combat helicopters have been attracted to combat duty in the air defense system at low-speed, low-flying computer centers.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 8 August 2021 12: 34
            0
            Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
            You probably forgot that air defense also has separation. And to attract the MiG-3 for work below average heights, to put it mildly, is unreasonable. Therefore, the overlap of the lower echelon of the I-16 is quite justified.

            PMSM, the use of an aircraft with a maximum speed of 460 km / h and armament of three machine guns (two of which are rifle caliber) as an air defense fighter is somewhat ... irrational. Especially considering its typical targets - medium bombers.
            I remember that even "Hurricanes" with a sawmill of 8-12 machine guns were always called "insufficiently armed" in our country.

            To work effectively on such machines, you need to be a sniper pilot, and in addition to have a professionally working control and guidance system of fighter aircraft, which accurately displays the aircraft on the target - at the right height and with the right heading angle.

            Ideally, an air defense fighter should have weapons that allow it to inflict significant damage to the enemy in a single run.
            1. hohol95
              hohol95 8 August 2021 21: 45
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              MiG-3, MiG-3.
              And the same Talalikhin would have done a lot on the MiG-3. The first cars carried the same 2 × 7,62 ShKAS and 1 × 12,7 BS. And only later they added 2 BC to the wings.
              So, in terms of armament, the first MiG-3s were equal to the I-16 model 29.
              As an air defense fighter in terms of armament, the LaGG-3 was more suitable.
              The first machines were 3 × 12,7 BS and 2 × 7,62 ShKAS.
              From the 4th series, one Berezin machine gun was replaced with a ShVAK.
              Then they went only along the path of lightening the machine and reduced the volume of fuel and the number of weapons.
              We got to one ShVAK and one BS.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 8 August 2021 22: 27
                +1
                Quote: hohol95
                MiG-3, MiG-3.
                And the same Talalikhin would have done a lot on the MiG-3.

                And I do not drown for the MiG-3. Its only advantage is altitude, which, moreover, he got by accident: the MiG was made as a high-speed fighter, for which they took the most powerful engine available. And so - the same machine-gun "three-point": weak weapons, with which each interception of a high-altitude reconnaissance turned into miracles of heroism.
                Quote: hohol95
                The first cars carried the same 2 × 7,62 ShKAS and 1 × 12,7 BS. And only later they added 2 BC to the wings.

                And then they took it off - because due to problems with the production of BS at the beginning of the serial production there were not enough machine guns for new aircraft.
                By the way, the machine gun was located under the wing, and in the wing, EMNIP, there was only a BC.

                Quote: hohol95
                As an air defense fighter in terms of armament, the LaGG-3 was more suitable.

                At the lower and middle echelons, yes. Fourth series. Better yet, the eighth. The Japanese (army men) liked this LaGG-3. smile
                Where to get? On the Far East, the LaGG went there first.
        2. Hanurik
          Hanurik 7 August 2021 20: 35
          +1
          I watched about 10 years ago on the max aerobatics of a moment and a donkey. The instant completely managed the donkey in the maneuver, and the loops with the exit at the ground were not at all like the maneuvers of a tight and non-maneuverable fighter. At that time we had few pilots who could uncover it.
          1. vovochkarzhevsky
            vovochkarzhevsky 7 August 2021 22: 22
            +1
            The planes that you saw are very different from the planes of the Second World War.
            1. Hanurik
              Hanurik 8 August 2021 07: 22
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              Only with engines and a little weight. The fuselage is the same, the permissible maneuvers are the same, only the execution time and radii differ minimally due to the above differences.
              1. vovochkarzhevsky
                vovochkarzhevsky 8 August 2021 09: 34
                +1
                It just might seem so to you. Plus a lot depends on the pilot. And also fuel. For example, according to the recollections of veterans, "Airacobra" categorically refused domestic gasoline and oil. At the same time, the "shops" and "yaks", if they received Lendleut fuels and lubricants, noticeably increased their agility.
              2. vovochkarzhevsky
                vovochkarzhevsky 8 August 2021 10: 57
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                Sorted it out already. I repeat, the MiG-3 has 125 l / s in plus, and 200 kg in minus. It is clear that you can make a "donkey" on the tacos pepelatse.
            2. Zakonnik
              Zakonnik 8 August 2021 09: 50
              +2
              Just do not forget that test pilot V. Barsuk was sitting in the cockpit of the MiG-3, having a flight time of several thousand hours. By the way, in his interview about the restored MiG-3, he confirmed that it was superior to the I-16 in terms of maneuverability. The seething shit at air forums was valid. And the average combat pilot from the MiG could not take what he was capable of.
              1. vovochkarzhevsky
                vovochkarzhevsky 8 August 2021 10: 55
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                Here's another question, what are the engines on the cars? On the I-16, they mold almost their own ASh-62IR. As for the MiG-3, as far as I know, instead of the AM-35A, there is an Allison V-1710.
                And 1475 hp, this is much more than 1350 hp, as the dry weight of an American is only 633 kg, which is also significantly less than 830 kg of the AM-35A. That is, the MiG-3 has 125 l / s in plus, and 200 kg in minus. It is clear that you can make a "donkey" on the tacos pepelatse.
          2. Siberian54
            Siberian54 8 August 2021 02: 58
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            Pokryshkin, for example, did not remember anything bad about MIG ..
        3. Pavel the builder
          Pavel the builder 9 August 2021 06: 54
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          The MiG-3 is a high-altitude fighter. For heights of 6000-8000 m. And there only "frames" flew. At medium altitude, the time of the combat turn and its radius are the most important qualities of a fighter for entering the tail of the enemy. I-16 was the best
          1. Siberian54
            Siberian54 24 August 2021 14: 30
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            the first MIG shot down from him seems (too lazy to watch) 6 pieces and the first shot down himself. The plane took out.
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  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 7 August 2021 05: 13
    +3
    Ammunition and shells ran out, and the order to stop the enemy at any cost must be carried out ... so the pilots going to the ram can be understood.
    There were very few experienced pilots, aces capable of shooting down enemy aircraft from a short distance in small bursts then ... all young lieutenants and captains.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 7 August 2021 05: 51
      +9
      and this is also true, about young people, but many of them already had experience - in this case, Viktor Vasilyevich had Finnish and 4 shot down behind his back .. so it looks like the machine guns really jammed, had to ram .. and rammed it prudently, to control the enemy - cut off the propeller, there was a chance that his plane would remain in service, so everything was smart .. I thought about something .. and this is all at the age of 22 .. hi
      1. Pavel the builder
        Pavel the builder 9 August 2021 06: 56
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        Read carefully - there are as many as 56 pilots on 116 fighters !!!!! The queue turns out ...
    2. vch62388
      vch62388 7 August 2021 06: 11
      +7
      "young and captain" is at least a squadron commander or a regiment commander (for example, an air rifle regiment) with a good touch and, as a rule, with previous combat experience in Mongolia, Finland ...
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 7 August 2021 07: 03
        +2
        Well, the air battles with the Germans were somewhat different from the battles with the Finns and the Japanese.
        The German pilots were much more competent and calculating, having experience in conquering Europe and raids on London.
        I read the books of Pokryshkin and Kozhedub to the holes ... As Pokryshkin said, whoever did not fight the Germans in the most difficult year of 1941 cannot feel the full weight of the war that befell the soldiers and officers of this period of the Second World War ... You have to go through this yourself.
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 7 August 2021 08: 25
          +5
          Quote: vch62388
          "young and captain" is at least a squadron commander or a regiment commander (for example, an air rifle regiment) with a good touch and, as a rule, with previous combat experience in Mongolia, Finland ...

          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Well, the air battles with the Germans were somewhat different from the battles with the Finns and the Japanese.
          The German pilots were much more competent and calculating, having experience in conquering Europe and raids on London.

          And in Spain since 1936, with whom did our pilots fight? Was it not there that the Condor squadron began its combat path? Yes, and the Italians were noted there.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 7 August 2021 09: 08
            +1
            Quote: Captain45
            And in Spain since 1936, with whom did our pilots fight? Was it not there that the Condor squadron began its combat path?

            And in Spain we were on equal terms with the Germans. What is the experience, what is the technique. And they even had some advantage in the beginning! The Germans learned their lesson, but ours did not immediately.
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 7 August 2021 05: 29
    +6
    I would like to thank the author for the detailed coverage of the information (even from school). Everyone read / heard about the feat, but the details ...
    Thank you, Sergei.
  5. Avior
    Avior 7 August 2021 07: 32
    +5
    ... In total, 561 Soviet fighter pilots, 19 attack pilots and 18 bomber pilots who committed aerial rams are known. Many of them performed ramming repeatedly: 33 people - twice, Alexey Khlobystov - three times and Boris Kovzan - four times [13] [approx. one])

    There was such
    On September 12, 1941, Senior Lieutenant Yekaterina Zelenko shot down one German Me-2 fighter in a Su-109 light bomber and rammed the second. From a wing impact on the fuselage, the Messerschmitt broke in half, and the Su-2 exploded, while the pilot was thrown out of the cockpit, which led to her death. This is the only known female ramming incident [14] [15].

    But in general, of course, ramming as a method of warfare is difficult to welcome - in addition to the loss of equipment, this often leads to the death of an experienced trained pilot, which is perhaps even more important: ((
  6. geniy
    geniy 7 August 2021 10: 07
    -1
    This is very strange: why the command and the government did not notice the true heroes at close range. Why didn't they notice the feat of Pyotr Yeremeyev - in what way is he worse than Talalikhin?
    And by the way, the feat of Devyatayev (hijacking of a German plane from the airfield) - even before him, several other Soviet pilots performed. As well as the feat of Maresyev - other pilots flew without an arm or without an eye.
    And the feat of Gastello - another Soviet pilot made THREE rams in one air battle IMMEDIATELY - and survived!
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 7 August 2021 12: 24
      +6
      Quote: geniy
      And the feat of Gastello - another Soviet pilot made THREE rams in one air battle IMMEDIATELY - and survived!

      Dear aviation expert, I would like to explain to you some of the difference between ground and air ramming. N. Gastello, together with the crew, made the TARAN OF THE GROUND TARGET, this is when the plane hits the vehicle, or the ground fortification inflicts damage on it (the target), as a result of the ground ram, the aircraft is destroyed, the personnel on the plane dies at the time of the ram. Not a single person has committed three ramming of a ground target at once in one battle. Air Battering - a technique of air combat, which consists in inflicting damage on the enemy's aircraft directly by the attacking aircraft itself. One of the rare air rams -Tail blow (battering I. Sh. Bikmukhametov)Battering ram committed by I. Sh. Bikmukhametov during the Great Patriotic War: coming out into the enemy's forehead with a slide and turn, Bikmukhametov struck the tail of his aircraft on the enemy's wing. As a result, the enemy lost control, fell into a tailspin and crashed, and Bikmukhametov managed to bring his plane to the airfield and land safely.Boris Ivanovich Kovzan The only pilot in the world who made 4 air rams and survived.
      Aleksey Stepanovich Khlobystov One of two Soviet pilots who rammed three times, two rams in one battle.
      Nikolai Vasilievich Teryokhin. One of two Soviet pilots who performed an air ram three times, with two rams in one battle: So, your example of N. Gastello who committed a land ram and a pilot who made three air rams, to put it mildly, is not correct.
  7. Fitter65
    Fitter65 7 August 2021 11: 59
    -1
    Today we know that Viktor Talalikhin shot down an He-111 bomber from the 7th Squadron of the 26th Bomber Squadron. It was not an ordinary bomber, its crew consisted of five instead of four, which was explained by the modification of the machine.
    Well, the 5th crew member appeared on the He 111P, in 1941 26 KG, the No 111H was already armed with a standard crew of 5 people, although on the He 111H1 on the first, the crew was 4 people, the 5th man is the second air gunner and on some later He 111H the crew was 6 people
    .
    The bomber was equipped with an X-Gerät navigation system and an additional antenna.
    The He.111H-3x with the X-Gerät radio sight, and the He.111H-3y with the Y-Gerät radio sight. here is a brief mention of this system.
    That is, as we can see, aircraft with these systems were used by the Luftwaffe a year before the feat of V. Talalikhin. One should write about the feat simply the truth, as it was. And no need to try to ascribe some not intelligible and inappropriate nonsense such as a rare system, additional antennas (by the way, where were these antennas?) With your attempts to show that you are almost an eyewitness of a historical event, or you know about it more than anyone else - it causes a simple a grin, but not a delight!
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 7 August 2021 12: 44
      +5
      By the way, where were these antennas?)


      The X-Gerät antenna is marked with a rectangle.
      If you have decided to criticize, then in addition to emotions, it is desirable to provide some information.
      The blind landing radio navigation system, developed by C. Lorenz AG, has been used by the Germans at Berlin-Tempelhof since 1932. The X-Gerät system was developed on the basis of the Lorenz system in 1939, the first application was on December 20, 1939.
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 7 August 2021 15: 55
        -3
        Quote: Undecim
        The X-Gerät system was developed on the basis of the Lorenz system in 1939, the first application was on December 20, 1939.

        Thanks for the tip. First use 20.12. 1939. Isn't it exclusive for August 1941?
        Quote: Undecim
        Radio navigation system for blind landing

        So X-Gerät system we have what on your fabrications? Blind landing system, a navigation system or just a radio sight?
        Quote: Undecim
        If you have decided to criticize, then in addition to emotions, it is desirable to provide some information.

        If you are already bubbling a puddle with your backside, so explain from what peas the bubbles are coming from! For fun, X-Gerät is based on the Lorentz system, and Y-Gerät is on which system ?. Do not consider yourself smarter than those who read your stupidity. hi
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 7 August 2021 17: 10
          +3
          so explain

          I don't have time to adapt comments for graduates from Torzhkova.
      2. tasha
        tasha 7 August 2021 18: 44
        +2
        Viktor Talalikhin shot down Heinkel from KG26. By that time, aircraft with the Y-Gerät system were used as leaders, the radio beacon was located in the Orsha region. On night flights, there were 4 crew members on board and the fifth was the guidance operator.
        According to some reports, the pilot of the bomber, sergeant major Rudolf Shik, after the ram jumped with a parachute, made his way to the front line and was taken prisoner on August 27, 1941 in the village of Maryino, Elninsky district, Smolensk region.
  8. Fitter65
    Fitter65 7 August 2021 12: 40
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    on the night of July 29, 1941, the fighter pilot of the 28th IAP, Pyotr Vasilyevich Eremeev, shot down an enemy Junkers-3 bomber on a MiG-88 plane with a ramming strike. He died on October 2, 1941 in an air battle. In September 1995, Eremeev was posthumously awarded the title of Hero of Russia for courage and military valor.

    More details on PG: https://www.pnp.ru/social/kogda-sostoyalsya-pervyy-nochnoy-vozdushnyy-taran.html
    We do not know about this feat at all.
  9. Undecim
    Undecim 7 August 2021 12: 56
    +7
    In fairness, it should be noted that the first night ram, 9 nights before the events described, was committed on the night of July 29 by Senior Lieutenant Pyotr Vasilyevich Eremeev. As the deputy squadron commander of the 27th IAP from the 6th Fighter Air Corps of the Moscow Air Defense Forces, Pyotr Eremeev began one of the first fighter pilots to perform night flights on the MiG-3. On the night of July 29, 1941, Eremeev shot down a Junkers Ju 88 bomber with a night ram and survived.

    If the author decided to restore justice, then it was worthwhile to strain.
    The world's first night ramming was carried out by the Soviet pilot Evgeny Nikolaevich Stepanov - on October 25, 1937, an Italian SM-81 bomber rammed in the skies over Barcelona.

    As for air rams in general, during the Second World War they were carried out by pilots of the USSR, Germany, Britain, Poland, Greece, Bulgaria, France, USA and Japan.
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 7 August 2021 13: 45
      +2
      On the I-15. Even then, it was difficult to shoot down all-metal bombers with 2 rifle caliber machine guns.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 7 August 2021 13: 53
        +2
        The Savoia-Marchetti SM.81 Pipistrello was not all-metal.
        1. hohol95
          hohol95 7 August 2021 14: 14
          +1
          Yes Yes . The wings are wooden, but the fuselage is metal. And three motors. For 4 PWs, the goal is difficult.
          I made a mistake in the number of machine guns.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 7 August 2021 16: 41
            +2
            And the fuselage is only half.
            1. hohol95
              hohol95 7 August 2021 17: 13
              +1
              But you must admit that it was difficult to shoot down an aircraft with a mixed design, three engines and a length of more than 18 meters with 2 or 4 rifle-caliber machine guns. We are not dumping the defensive armament of the bombers either.
              The British, not from a good life, put batteries of machine guns in the wings of "Kharitons" and "Firefighters". The Spaniards flew the British "Fury", and they were armed with 2 7,7 machine guns! On a similar one, to shoot down a large target only with machine guns was from the "realm of fantasy"!
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 7 August 2021 17: 15
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                But you must admit

                I agree, of course.
    2. hohol95
      hohol95 7 August 2021 14: 19
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      For the French, you can clarify.
      The Internet does not betray their ramming exploits.
      There are Poles, Bulgarians, Americans, Dutch, Australians.
      The French do not seem to be.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 7 August 2021 17: 19
        +1
        For the French, you can clarify.

        Jean Maridor, Free French Air Force.
        1. hohol95
          hohol95 7 August 2021 18: 03
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          Thanks. But not the Free French Air Force.
          RAF. 91 Squadron.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 7 August 2021 20: 40
            +1
            In all French and English-language sources, he is referred to as the pilot of the Forces aériennes françaises libres.
            Even on the BBC in 1942 he was introduced as a Free French pilot from 91 Squadrons.
            Texte lu à la BBC par Jean MARIDOR en avril 1942
            alors qu'il était au 91 Squadron, RAF Station,
            Hawking in Grande Bretagne
            Introduction par le speaker de la BBC:
            Détruire des bateaux avec un canon depuis un Spitfire est tout à fait réjouissant, mais quelque peu dangereux. Cependant des pilotes français de la France Libre ont mené des centaines d'attaques contre des navires allemands. Ils pensent que chaque bâtiment qu'ils coulent est un pas menant directement à la libération de leur pays. Voici un jeune pilote combattant de la France Libre de 21 ans, Jean Maridor, qui va vous raconter deux attaques réussies récemment et sur le cauchemar de son retour au sol.
            Maridor:
            Beaucoup de pilotes de la France Libre ont plus d'expérience de l'attaque des bateaux que moi. L'un d'eux a à son actif 35 attaques contre des navires allemands, et je pense que nous devons tous admettre que c'est là une des façons la plus satisfaisante de combattre les boches.
            1. hohol95
              hohol95 7 August 2021 21: 29
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              And the "Normandy-Niemen" is the same as the division of the "Free French"?
              He flew in the British unit and was subject to British regulations. Like Poles, Czechs, Canadians, Non-Dutchmen, etc.
              By conviction, they could be anyone, but they served in British units.
            2. hohol95
              hohol95 7 August 2021 21: 38
              +1
              I have already found it. The French enrolled in the Free French Air Force, but fought in both the RAF and the Red Army Air Force. Where they were sent - there they served.
              Actually, the French units were only in North Africa!
  10. DenVB
    DenVB 7 August 2021 15: 45
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    This is what I have never been able to figure out. On the one hand, what's the point of ramming if you have approached an enemy plane at a distance of several meters? Rip it with bullets.

    Well, well, let's say riddled, but the bullets turned out to be rather weak, the enemy continues to fly. Then you can understand. Or the machine guns got jammed. Again, though, all three?

    On the other hand, if ramming is such an effective form of air combat, especially against bombers in a night battle, why not approve such a form of attack by order? As long as there is an enemy in the air, do not return back. Ram. A fighter is cheaper than a bomber. And if you also take into account the destruction on the ground that the bomber inflicts - even more so.

    And the fighter pilot has more chances to escape than the bomber crew. It's easier for him to jump out, and he's over his territory.

    Here, just such thoughts.
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 7 August 2021 16: 23
      +2
      The quality of the cartridges should not be forgotten either. ShKAS "did not digest" simple rifle cartridges. For them, they made special bullets with reinforced blowing and special markings.
      British pilots sent to France were generally "loaded" with cartridges from the times of the First Imperialist.
      And their machine guns were constantly wedging from this.
      And two ShKAS and one BS against such a strong machine as He111 is not enough.
      Battering ram, as a form of battle, was not welcomed by the authorities. But it was not forbidden either - everyone understood that this was a necessary measure. And everything depended on the pilots themselves.
      1. DenVB
        DenVB 7 August 2021 20: 04
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        Quote: hohol95
        Battering ram, as a form of battle, was not welcomed by the authorities.

        It’s just not very clear why. We outnumbered the Germans in the number of aircraft. A one-to-one exchange, besides a fighter for a bomber, would be beneficial for us.

        For example, about 22 bombers took part in the first raid on Moscow on the night of 200 July. According to our data, about 20 of them were shot down, according to the German - 6, I think. In the fighter air corps, which defended Moscow, there were about 600 fighters. If the order were given - to destroy bombers at any cost, even by ramming, it would be possible to exchange in the very first raid, say, 100 of our fighters for 100 of their bombers.

        The Germans would have been horrified by such losses, the bombing of Moscow, most likely, would have stopped altogether. And our air corps, having lost 100 out of 600 aircraft and, say, 10-20 pilots out of 600, would have fully retained its combat capability.
        1. hohol95
          hohol95 7 August 2021 21: 21
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          So, according to you, the order should have been to introduce a ram and throw people to 100 percent destruction of enemy vehicles?
          Why do you write off only 10 or 20 pilots as losses?
          And where to get new pilots to replace the dead and wounded?
          To expose the rear parts of the East, the Caucasus and Central Asia?
          No matter how trained our pilots, they were not militias with old small arms thrown to plug holes in the defense!
          1. DenVB
            DenVB 7 August 2021 22: 13
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            Quote: hohol95
            Why do you write off only 10 or 20 pilots as losses?

            It seems to me that a fighter pilot survived more often than died in a ram. Especially if the ram was carried out correctly. An example is Talalikhin.

            Quote: hohol95
            And where to get new pilots to replace the dead and wounded?

            And where were they taken in all other cases? After all, losses in aviation in the initial period were already very high.

            And again, where will the Germans take new pilots? Will they be discharged from the warehouse?

            And also - think about what an escaped bomber can do if we spare the fighter pilot to stop him. If Moscow was still somehow managed to be defended, and the destruction was small (about 2% of buildings were damaged), then, say, in Gorky in 1943, the famous automobile plant was practically bombed out. It is quite possible that aircraft and crews that were not shot down near Moscow in 1941 took part in this.
            1. hohol95
              hohol95 7 August 2021 23: 20
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              Yes, our air defense "slept" the raids on Gorky!
              But you didn't mention Murmansk.
              Literally burned down on June 18, 1942. More than 600 houses and other buildings burned down!
              And the Soviet pilots could not prevent this.
              So, there was nothing to strengthen the Air Force in this direction.
              And if you follow the ideology of "kamikaze" then there would soon be no more pilots in the Red Army Air Force.
              1. DenVB
                DenVB 7 August 2021 23: 41
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                Quote: hohol95
                And if you follow the ideology of "kamikaze" then there would soon be no more pilots in the Red Army Air Force.

                But in the Luftwaffe they would not have remained even earlier. They and initially had fewer pilots, and training took more time.

                And if you also remember that, in fact, I did not suggest ramming everyone in a row, but only bombers (it would be difficult to ram Ishachkom, say, a Bf-109, even if such a target was set). Which the Germans had clearly less than our fighters. And only over our territory.
                1. hohol95
                  hohol95 8 August 2021 10: 15
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                  In a dispute, everyone remains unconvinced ...
          2. Siberian54
            Siberian54 8 August 2021 03: 19
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            \ hoho195 \ What are you so bad about the militias, very many of them had behind their backs the experience of the First World War and up to half of the Civil War, and the rest of those who are younger, the "course of a young fighter" is a Voroshilov shooter and, as you put it, "with an old small arms "so it's like now for me" good old AKM "against the background of a fancy AK-12 ..
            1. hohol95
              hohol95 8 August 2021 10: 18
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              The good old AKM is better than the French Lebel with a couple of dozen rounds!
              I liked the experience and training very much.
              If it were really so ...
              1. Siberian54
                Siberian54 10 August 2021 05: 30
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                The Red Army soldier, like the militia, has 5 clips of 5 rounds of ammunition, the Wehrmacht has 30 rounds, the brazen and the franc have 20 rounds.
                1. hohol95
                  hohol95 10 August 2021 07: 47
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                  This is the fighter's. In pouches.
                  And how many cartridges could there be at company or battalion supply points?
                  Not domestic patrons and not German. French ,.
                  1. Siberian54
                    Siberian54 10 August 2021 11: 21
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                    According to the memoirs of a marine, the defender of Eisel, he was given ammunition every three days ... But he was armed with ABC -100 rounds
                    1. hohol95
                      hohol95 10 August 2021 11: 30
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                      I doubt that the Marine was armed with a foreign-made rifle - Lebel, Ross, Arisaka.
                      1. Siberian54
                        Siberian54 10 August 2021 11: 54
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                        In Arkhangelsk, at one time large warehouses with weapons were seized
                      2. hohol95
                        hohol95 10 August 2021 17: 38
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                        I am not a supporter of the "one rifle for three" myth. But there were moments when they raked out everything that could shoot and not fall apart. All this "firing" required cartridges. In large quantities. And we were incredibly lucky that at least there was no "cartridge famine" during the Great Patriotic War. As in the Russian-Japanese and WWI. When the cartridges were bought abroad!
                        And they were able to cope with the increase in the production of small arms. And not drag from all over the world.
                        As for the warehouses, they also took a lot of small arms and artillery weapons and ammunition in the Polish campaign.
                        The Germans in France alone were notoriously instrumental. Yes, only when it was time to arm their militias - it turned out that they were bogged down and empty! Where did they all go, they alone knew.
                      3. Siberian54
                        Siberian54 11 August 2021 20: 08
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                        the militias in our country are Odessa, Sevastopol, Moscow (70% of the total, they raked out the "office plankton" and artels who did not fall under the military order), Leningrad. Odessa, homeland - "one rifle for three" Local armories were devastated by the army, local and unarmed divisions deployed in peacetime armed themselves .. and went to Kiev in that terrible cauldron, the militia armed themselves with two rifles for three. Moscow armed its own mainly with a three-line still of the tsarist issue, with that two-meter club, the Leningraders also received a three-line from the fleet, Lebel and Japanese women were few against this background
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 8 August 2021 12: 39
        +1
        Quote: hohol95
        The quality of the cartridges should not be forgotten either. ShKAS "did not digest" simple rifle cartridges. For them, they made special bullets with reinforced blowing and special markings.

        By the way, Talalikhin had cartridges for ShKAS.
        At first there was a version based on the fact that not suitable cartridges for ShKAS were used - with a light bullet of the old model, but the version was not confirmed. Upon closer examination, it turned out that the cartridges, in spite of the equipment with a light bullet, were adapted for ShKAS - they had a stronger steel sleeve and a double bullet crimp, the marking was appropriate.
        © from the same comment on Warspot
        1. hohol95
          hohol95 8 August 2021 12: 59
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          We can put forward a great variety of versions. Obviously, only one thing - the decision to ram the enemy's plane came to his mind and he implemented this decision. And he himself remained alive.
  11. Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 7 August 2021 22: 37
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    This jarred in the article "Already on August 7, at the Mikoyan meat-packing plant, where the fighter pilot worked before the war, press conference with his participation."
    Strongly I do not like it when they write about the Second World War in "Newspeak"!
  12. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 8 August 2021 12: 26
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    It is worth noting that in 2014 the search engines found the hero's plane, there were still cartridges in the belts of the ShKAS and BS machine guns. Perhaps the machine guns were in flight for some reason. Unfortunately, this happened quite often with Soviet fighters. So, the UBS heavy machine gun, which was on the I-16 type 29, was not particularly reliable by that time. From the units there were complaints about machine gun failures. Naturally, during the air battle Talalikhin could not determine for sure whether he ran out of cartridges or machine guns refused due to a technical malfunction.

    From the comments to the article about Talalikhin on Warspot:
    At the moment, there are 2 working versions, why he did not shoot to the end:
    1. - a bullet interrupted the trigger cable. Anyone who is familiar with the device of the I-16 trigger knows that the cables go in a tube with a diameter of about 30 mm, if a bullet hits, all machine guns can fail.
    2. - Talalikhin, being wounded, could not conduct accurate fire at night, especially since he had Henkel-111 in front of him, whose machine guns were thrashed in all directions as they wanted.
    Apparently, based on these two versions, everything happened.

    Another interesting thing:
    I would like to inform you that on the night of August 6-7, 1941, at about 23:30 pm, junior lieutenant comrade Talalikhin, a member of the Komsomol, while patrolling in the 7th light zone at an altitude of 4500-5000 meters, discovered an enemy plane He-111. After the attack with rockets (three volleys), the enemy aircraft began to smoke in the right engine ... [Pilot] repeated the attack several times and used up the machine gun cartridges. I decided to ram him.
    © from the political report of the 177th iap