Heroism and betrayal. History of the 8th Lubensky hussar regiment

And everything began as typical for the Lubents, as well as for many other regiments of the Russian army.

In 1807, the country was already at war with Napoleon, and this war required many new units, one of which was the hussar regiment, formed according to the state of 1802 in the Mogilev province.

Why Lubensky?

There were plans after the formation to place the regiment in Lubny, Poltava province. The regiment had nothing to do with Little Russia or Lubny at the time of formation. The core of the regiment was 240 cavalry guards, the recruitment of people proceeded quickly. And by October 1, 1807, in just six months, the regiment was formed.

Then there was training already in the place of permanent deployment - Lubny, later in Gadyach, as part of the 9th division.

First war

In 1810-1811, the regiment was in the Crimea and guarded the coast during the Turkish campaign, not taking part in hostilities. And already in 1812 he joined the battle as part of the 2nd Cavalry Division of the 3rd Army of Tormasov.

This army is known much less than others, it was located in Volyn and covered Little Russia, finding itself on the sidelines of the main events. Its opponents were the Rainier Saxons, numbering 17000. The regiment entered the battle on July 9, and it has the first cannon captured from Napoleon's troops.

Then there was a campaign to the north, battles in Belarus, a retreat to Volyn, an autumn campaign to Brest and Bialystok ... In 1813, the regiment participates in a foreign campaign and the Battle of the Nations, having lost its commander in battle.

The regiment ended the war in France, having lost 558 people in battles and skirmishes.

Second war

The second campaign of the regiment was the Polish one in 1830.

There were no special events during it, and the war itself was largely routine: the Poles were driven to Warsaw. And the main enemy of the Russian army was, rather, cholera, from which the Lubenets lost more people than from the fighting. There were also unpleasant cases - for example, the regimental doctor went over to the side of the Poles.

As a result, the regiment traditionally ended the war in the enemy capital. After the war, the Lubents were in Poland, where the division of the disbanded Irkutsk regiment was enlisted in their composition.

Third war

The regiment entered the third war in 1849 against the Hungarians.

And again the regiment showed itself brilliantly: having suffered modest losses (mainly from cholera), it returned to Poland a few months later.

Further, for a long time, the regiment's service proceeded peacefully, apart from the quite usual officer conflicts for that time.

In the Crimean War, the regiment became part of the Western Army and again covered Volhynia, not taking part in hostilities. Places of deployment alternated until the regiment settled in Chisinau in 1875. The commanders also changed, but the unit remained one of the most combat-ready in the Russian cavalry.

Fourth war

In 1877, the fourth war of the regiment began - the Russian-Turkish.

Under the command of Colonel Borozdin, the Lubents, as part of the 8th Cavalry Division, moved to the front through the territory of Romania. There the regiment took part in the operation against the fortress Ruschuk, in the Sadinsky battle, entered the convoy of Tsarevich Alexander and participated in the Adrianople operation.

Thus, the regiment ended this war at the forefront, not far from Istanbul. In 1879 the regiment returned to Chisinau.

Punitive Punisher

But the next campaign of the regiment cannot cause admiration, after a quarter of a century of peace, the regiment did not get into the Japanese war, but managed to get into a punitive war: to suppress the revolution of 1905–1907.

And in this punitive operation, the hussars showed quite specific talents of arsonists and executioners.

Set fire to the village to collect the gathering? Easily.

Flog the entire population? No problem.

To smash for the word against and impose tribute on the peasants? Easy.

In Yuzovka, cavalrymen cut down a crowd of striking workers - two killed, one hundred wounded, of which 24 were seriously wounded.

For these dubious "feats" the cavalrymen received silver medals for "diligence." Indeed, they acted diligently - in the Donbass alone, hussars killed three and wounded 153 workers.

It is with these events that the decline of the once glorious regiment begins: you cannot turn the army into punishers. Although I'm getting ahead of myself.

In 1907, the regiment celebrated its centenary, and a luxurious book was published about it. But further ...

Then there was World War II, in which the regiment operated as part of the Southwestern Front, later the Romanian Front. Already in March 1917, the regiment was Ukrainianized, renamed the 2nd Lubensky Ukrainian Regiment (later Serdyutsky) under the command of the notorious Omelyanovich-Pavlenko, the future policeman of the Reich.

Traditions formed in 1907 have sprouted serious growth.

The lubents crushed the Russian red uprising of the Arsenal plant in Kiev, and fought with the Russian troops in the winter of 1917-1918. Then in 1919, however, they again went over to the Russians, to the White Army, where they were defeated by the Red Army.

And Omelyanovich-Pavlenko himself returned in 1941 as part of the Wehrmacht to head the Vinnitsa police (109th auxiliary police battalion), punished Belarusians and residents of Zhytomyr region, fled with the Germans in 1944, died in the USA. For punitive operations he was awarded the Order of the Reich, albeit a special one for the Untermens.

On him story Lubents and ended.

Сonclusion

The once glorious regiment, which repeatedly defended its homeland from the enemy, since 1906 has become an ordinary punitive regiment. Karali Moldovans, residents of Kherson and Donbass, Kiev, Russians of Little Russia.

As a result, the last commander of this regiment became a policeman and punished Jews, Ukrainians and Belarusians.

And the regiment also turned into perjurers: one by one it betrayed the emperor, the Provisional Government, the UPR. Well, just to their homeland, if we talk about the last commander of the regiment ...

And we have received yet another proof - an army shooting at its own people becomes an occupying army, no matter what glorious traditions are behind it.

Comments

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

I have one question for the Author. Is it worth "one comb to level" the soldiers and officers of the regiment of the sample of 1812 and one freak from 1941?

[Konnick]

I have one question for the Author. Is it worth "one comb to level" the soldiers and officers of the regiment of the sample of 1812 and one freak from 1941?

Kote Pan Kohanka

Why did they immediately switch to 1941?
And the events of 1905-1907 and 1917-1919, in the 41st there was no longer a regiment, only Ukrainian nationalism remained, do we skip the kohan?

The lubents crushed the Russian red uprising of the Arsenal plant in Kiev, and fought with the Russian troops in the winter of 1917-1918. Then in 1919, however, they again went over to the Russians, to the White Army, where they were defeated by the Red Army.

[The leader of the Redskins]

I agree - the title, let's say, does not quite correspond to the content.
The events of 1917 for many became, rather, a tragedy. We have now never drawn a line - who was right: red or white?

[Konnick]

We have now never drawn a line - who was right: red or white?

Do you need someone to draw the line?
Is it difficult to decide for yourself? 30 Years of the New Government Have Not Brought the Line?
For 20 years after the revolution, the country turned into an industrial country with an educated population and whose citizens defended their choice in a terrible war. And in 30 years, if there were no war, the country would have turned into the most prosperous country in the world, but it was knocked out on takeoff ... and over the past 30 years, we are only trying to do something.

[Trapperxnumx]

And who prevented her from turning

to the most prosperous country in the world

for 40 years after the Second World War?

[Konnick]

And who prevented her from turning
to the most prosperous country in the world

If anyone, then you, if you ask such questions.
And if anything, then the war threw us into poverty very much. The best generation brought up in the new country was knocked out. The arms race alone forced every second enterprise to work for defense. Many reasons.

"

"If you understood what communism is, you would hope and pray on your knees that everyone will someday become communists ..."

Jane Fonda, actress, USA
From a speech to American students, 70s.

[Trapperxnumx]

Quote: Konnick

Many reasons.

The main one is the suppression of local initiative and the inability to implement ideas by ordinary citizens. For example, in the northern regions it is better to develop animal husbandry, and not grow corn, right? But if the party said corn, then there will be corn. And so in many ways.
I am very sorry that the USSR collapsed. It was a great country that provided many people with education, excellent medical care and elementary creation of decent living and living conditions. But unfortunately it was a very inflexible system that could not understand in time what needs to be done for the further full development of the country.

If anyone, then you, if you ask such questions.

Boldly, very boldly, not knowing the person to throw such accusations.

[Terran ghost]

The arms race alone forced every second enterprise to work for defense.

What "arms race" forced the production of 40 (forty thousand) nuclear warheads? For reference - in the United States after 000 (twenty thousand) stopped. Why? Yes, because this amount was enough to destroy a theoretically potential enemy not once, but two or three times in a row. It is pointless to build up arsenals further - the ability to destroy a theoretically potential enemy not two or three times in a row, but four or five times in a row will not add security to the country, but it will cost a huge amount of money.
What kind of "arms race" forced the production of tanks in quantities exceeding the arsenals of all NATO countries and China combined? And what should be done at the same time THREE main battle tanks, incompatible in spare parts in the conditions of a super-statist command-planned economy? I will not say anything about the production and accumulation in warehouses of millions of units of light wearable weapons. For the First World War in the nuclear missile era in the same countries of the NATO bloc "for some reason" did not prepare.
Why did it happen. The answer is simple - "thank you" is to say the doctrine to them. Marshal Ustinov, who strangled the economy of the USSR with exorbitant and often unnecessary huge military expenditures, simply "so that the enterprises of the military industry were loaded with orders and have a permanent job."
PS: Again, I pay attention. In China, neighboring with the USSR, Deng Xiaoping and his team of reformers at the very beginning of the reforms carried out the reduction of the army with military expenditures to reasonable values ​​(the rule is still being carried out in the People's Republic of China - military expenditures there are at the level of 1,5-2 percent of the gross domestic product of the country) and the re-profiling, and sometimes the closure of "superfluous" military production.

[Foul skeptic]

What "arms race" forced the production of 40 (forty thousand) nuclear warheads? For reference - in the United States after 000 (twenty thousand) stopped.

The same arms race. In the United States, 20 thousand warheads were already in 1960. And more than 30 thousand by 1965 (the USSR has 6 times less). And that's when the US decided to stop. There was no parity between countries in the number of charges until the late 70s.

For the First World War in the nuclear missile era in the same countries of the NATO bloc "for some reason" did not prepare.

Tell this to Germany, Scandinavians, Benelux and other Swiss.

And to do at the same time THREE main battle tanks

If you do it at the same time (and not be in service) - then two. There is always a transition period between products when they are produced together. The Leopard 1 was produced until the mid-80s, although production of the Leopard 70 began in the late 2s. The M60 and M1A1 are the same story.

[Terran ghost]

And more than 30 thousand by 1965 (the USSR has 6 times less)

By 1965. And then the number was kept in the region of 20-25 thousand. Because more is simply not needed for defensive purposes.
Besides, the capitalist countries are strange with their lobbying and everything else. In the country of victorious socialism (namely, the Soviet Union proclaimed itself to be it), nothing prevented us from acting on the basis of the principle “we determine how much is the minimum necessary to inflict unacceptable damage on a theoretically potential adversary, and we will keep exactly that amount in our arsenals.” With the allocation of the released funds to improve the welfare of workers and useful infrastructure projects.

Tell this to Germany, Scandinavians, Benelux and other Swiss.

Yes? And which of them accumulated tens of millions of light infantry weapons in the arsenals in the post-war years? The correct answer is nobody.

If you do it at the same time (and not be in service) - then two. There is always a transition period between products when they are produced together.

There is only one problem. The T-72 was not planned as a replacement for the T-64. And the T-80 was not planned as a replacement for the T-72 and T-64. All three machines were produced (and upgraded) in parallel.

[Foul skeptic]

By 1965. And then

It doesn't matter what then. The main thing is that you misrepresented the information in the first message.

nothing prevented from acting on principle

Do you see a contradiction in your principle?

Yes? And which of them accumulated tens of millions of light infantry weapons in the arsenals in the post-war years? The correct answer is nobody.

And this defines preparation "like for a PMA"? Or have you forgotten what who wrote? How many light infantry weapons should there be? By analogy with your thought about the number of nuclear charges - one gun per mobilized one?

[Oleg Aviator]

I fully agree with your question. And yes ... It is a pity that this monster Pavlenko did not bang. I sat the dog by the mattresses. I am surprised that they did not demanded its issuance

[alex neym_2]

The army in any case should be OUT OF POLITICS! Its task is to protect the state from external enemies. The involvement of the Armed Forces in internal squabbles speaks of the weakness of the state, which is happening at the moment.

[Unknown]

Quote: aleks neym_2

The army in any case should be OUT OF POLITICS! Its task is to protect the state from external enemies. The involvement of the Armed Forces in internal showdowns speaks of the weakness of the state, which is happening at the moment

This cannot be, because it cannot be. The slogans "army outside politics" were fashionable among liberals during perestroika. The army cannot be "outside politics", it is an instrument, the very one. The army did not support the tsar, and the monarchy did not become. Gorbaty began to spit on the SA, substitute in different places, and in 91 she did not support the CPSU, and the Union collapsed. 93-year they bought part of the army, shot the Russian Armed Forces supported Yeltsin, and that's all. there were no more worries. And so in all countries, without exception, as it boiled inside the country, the army was right there. It depends on her support that someone would sit still, and someone else, he was thrown off. And so it was and will be.

[Fat]

Quote: Unknown

Humpback began to spit on the SA, substitute in different places, and in 91 she did not support the CPSU, and the Union collapsed. 93-year they bought part of the army, shot the Russian Armed Forces supported Yeltsin, and more and more unrest was not

Md Did it ever occur to you that in 1991 the army refused to support the anti-government conspiracy, and in 1993 carried out the order of the commander-in-chief?

[alex neym_2]

Power on bayonets, if I'm not mistaken - JUNTA! For internal SECURITY, and there are INTERNAL FORCES, RULE BODIES, but not the sun - "Hurricane", God forbid "Solntsepёkom" for a demonstration ...

[Fat]

Remind Novocherkassk Uprising?
On the night of June 1-2, tanks and soldiers entered the city. The tanks entered the factory yard and began to drive out the people still remaining there without using weapons. A rumor spread among the audience that several people had been crushed by the tracks, and the crowd began to hit the armor with heavy objects in an attempt to disable the tanks. Several soldiers were injured as a result. But the courtyard was cleared of protesters. The introduction of tanks into the city was perceived by the people extremely negatively, and at night leaflets began to circulate sharply condemning the current authorities and Khrushchev personally.
NS Khrushchev repeated the order: suppress the "anti-Soviet revolt by force." The commander of the North Caucasian Military District, General of the Army I.A. ... Moreover, fearing the direct use of weapons, M.K.Shaposhnikov ordered the tankmen and motorized riflemen to discharge their machine guns and carbines and hand over all their ammunition to the regimental and battalion zampotekh..
What happened in Vilnius on January 11-13, 1991 is it worth reminding?
And what about help to the fraternal governments of Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968 in the fight against the insurgents? The army and the KGB showed up there ...
Junta?

[Unknown]

Quote: Thick

Remind Novocherkassk Uprising?

Don't be so loud, the uprising, you might think the whole Novocherkassk began to build barricades, and demanded the overthrow of Soviet power. There were riots that were provoked by the management of the plant, there were also instigators, including those from a criminal element. All documents are available, so there is no need to repeat the fables of the demshiza. Regarding Vilnius, you should not go along with today's Lithuania. Then many people, and not only Russians, did not like the separatist aspirations of the Lithuanian leadership, and the people came to the building of the LISSR Armed Forces, to express their disagreement with the current policy, then the thugs from Sayudis began to water boiling water, from the steam heating of people. The military came out in defense, the police were inactive on the occasion of the sayudis. So it was with the TV tower, from there there were calls for resistance, including the armed one, a special forces soldier died. According to this scenario, events unfolded in Tbilisi, when a crowd came to the building of the Central Committee of Georgia with slogans not only anti-Soviet, but also Russophobic, with fittings, balls from bearings, the guys VV fell under a heavy batch, and it would be completely bad, but they came to the rescue paratroopers, they dispersed this bastard together in burrows. Then, from the rostrum of the USSR Armed Forces, Sobchak began to vilify the SA, such a bastard. Hungary was the most staunch and last ally of the Reich, and the Czechs were its own weapons smithy, and the USSR remembered this very well. And how much we lost there, we cannot forget with our hands. So that then it would be as it is now, the USSR never allowed, to spoil the results of the Victory, not in any way. Eastern Europe is only in the sphere of influence of the Union.

[Keer]

Hurricane ", God forbid," Sunshine "on the demonstration ..

The Tambov uprising, and the entire civil war. Any. Armies are fighting with the civilian population, including. Anytime and anywhere. By all available means. Loyalists, Republicans, Whites, Reds, Federates, others ...

[Unknown]

Quote: Thick

It never occurred to me that in 1991 the army refused to support the anti-government conspiracy, and in 1993 carried out the order of the commander-in-chief

Did it occur to you that the army did not fulfill the oath, the text of which says about the defense and defense of the USSR? The order to shoot the Armed Forces, which was then still chosen in the normal general elections, is illegal and criminal, because the Armed Forces removed Yeltsin from the presidency. This is how the army is outside of politics.

[Fat]

NO! Didn't come. I gave this oath to the USSR. The putschists are not the government, that is why their hands were shaking during the "statement".
Pugo, Kryuchkov, Akhromeev committed suicide because they violated the oath.
And the shameful Belovezhskaya agreement is December 1991, and you are lumping everything together. Haven't you been a witness?

[Unknown]

Quote: Thick

NO! Didn't come. I gave this oath to the USSR. The putschists are not the government, that is why their hands were shaking during the "statement".
Pugo, Kryuchkov, Akhromeev committed suicide because they violated the oath.
And the shameful Belovezhskaya agreement is December 1991, and you are lumping everything together. Haven't you been a witness?

And you need to know that Akhromeev, Pugo, Kryuchkov, unlike Gorbachev, who did not serve for a day in the SA and did not take the oath, they took it and acted according to their principles, at least two of them, and did not break the oath, left life with honor, the dead have no shame. There would not have been a trace of December 91, if the Supreme Council was still RFSR, for the sake of the moment did not accept the idiotic declaration of sovereignty, throwing it in one fell swoop; as now say 18 million Russian speakers. Then they came to their senses, but it's too late.

[Fat]

Quote: Unknown

They did not break the oath, they passed away with honor, the dead have no shame.

And Yazov has no honor in this respect?

[Unknown]

Yazov lacked determination, which he later regretted. Why touch the old man, he gives an answer before another court. All the same, he went through the Second World War, he was wounded. And then he blundered.

[Fat]

This particular Lubensky regiment took part in the suppression of uprisings three times, in Poland, Hungary, in the revolution of 1905-1907. Lovingly fostered professional punishers, such a feeling remained after the article. The principle "Beyond politics" - this is where they will send, there is the enemy, and who does not matter.

[SERGE ANT]

In the suppression of the Pugachev rebellion, the hussars of the Izyum regiment took the most direct part. And in the Civil and such hussars were also

Yaroslav Tinchenko, in his scientific article "Hussar units of the Red Army", which was published in the magazine "Stary Zeikhhauz" (No. 42 for 2011), traced the combat path of the horsemen who went over to the side of the Bolsheviks. And the most famous of these military units was the 55 Krasnogusar (Narva) regiment, formed from officers and soldiers of the 17th Chernigov hussar regiment.

[SERGE ANT]

At the very end of the First World War, elite cavalrymen heroically fought against German troops near Narva, then the regiment got its name. And he became Krasnogussar soon after the revolution, such a decision was made by the gallant soldiers themselves. True, the numerical strength of the combat formation left much to be desired: many were demobilized or died in battles with the White Guards. In July 1918, the cavalrymen, who barely had one detachment, went to the Eastern Front, where they fought with the Czechoslovak Corps (White Czechs). In March 1919, the red hussars were assigned to the city of Glazov, where the Teikovsky and Zamoskvoretsky cavalry regiments joined their division. In the summer of 1919, the 55th Narva Krasnogusarsky regiment under the command of Sergei Gavrilovich Fandeev, during the passage of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army (RKKA) through the Ural Mountains, dealt a crushing blow to the White Guards. Not far from Verkhniy Tagil, the hussars defeated an entire garrison of Kolchakites, taking more than 500 prisoners. And in the Nevyansk region, dashing red cavalrymen seized trophies rich at that time - several vehicles that the White Guards planned to take out of the combat zone by rail. Then the red cavalry took the city of Irbit. The hussars won many glorious victories. They threw the Ufa cavalry division back to the southeast and forced the enemy to flee across the Tobol River. In May 1920, the command of the Red Army sent the 55th Narva Krasnogusar regiment to the Western Front, then the military formation consisted of 35 officers and almost 600 soldiers. In Poland, they were in for a complete collapse. The Red Army suffered significant losses, suffering one defeat after another. On August 25-26, 1920, the remnants of the hussar regiment were captured by units of the Polish army. This is how the history of this military unit ended.

[SERGE ANT]

The 18th Nezhin Hussar Regiment also went over to the side of the Bolsheviks. After the revolution, a committee was created in the unit, which sent its delegate to revolutionary Petrograd - captain Vasily Antonovich Sergeev. He returned to the regiment inspired, told about the meeting with V.I. Lenin in Smolny. By the command of the Red Army, the Nezhinsky hussars were sent to the south to fight the White Guards and Cossacks. The elite cavalry formed a unit that consisted of 47 sabers, 10 machine guns and 76 bayonets. They became part of the Red Army unit, which fought under the command of Rudolf Ferdinandovich Sievers. The Nezhintsy fought on the Don with the Cossack detachment of Vasily Mikhailovich Chernetsov, and in January 1918 they clashed with the Volunteer Army. In early spring, a hussar detachment headed by V.A. Sergeev, was replenished with the Red Army, reorganized and already as the 2nd Cavalry Regiment became part of the "Steel" division of Dmitry Petrovich Zhloba. Nezhintsy fought with the Cossacks in the region of Kislovodsk, Pyatigorsk, and then - near Tsaritsyn. A military parade was held there in the fall, where the red hussars flashed their ammunition and military bearing in front of the chairman of the Revolutionary Military Council, who inspected the troops, L.D. Trotsky. But soon, due to numerous complaints about the arbitrariness of D.P. Goons, the commander of the "Steel" division was removed from office, at the same time V.A. Sergeev was sent to another duty station - to the military inspection. And the former residents of Nizhyn subsequently fought as part of the 4th Cavalry Division of the 1st Cavalry Army.

[SERGE ANT]

After the revolution, the 14th Mitavsky hussar regiment, by the decision of its commander Alexander Karlovich Anders, was stationed in the area of ​​the city of Luga. Here, in the spring of 1918, elite cavalrymen formed a partisan unit that became part of the Red Army. At the same time, a detachment named after V. Volodarsky, created in October 1917 to protect the leaders of the Bolshevik Party who was in Smolny, was sent there, near Luga, from Petrograd. The two above-mentioned divisions of the Red Army were merged. In August 1918, the Volodarsky detachment began to be called a battalion and its personnel, including the Red Hussars, were sent to the Eastern Front. The elite cavalrymen took with them the standard, which the military commissariat presented to them. On the red silk of the banner there was an inscription: "Remember capital, that the peaks of the hussars will crush you." The cavalry squadron of the V. Volodarsky battalion numbered 72 sabers, the red horsemen fought bravely on the Eastern Front. But in July 1919, they ran into fresh enemy cavalry units. In a bloody battle near the village of Nikitskoye, the entire color of the hussar squadron died. After that, the military unit was reorganized into a regular mounted reconnaissance detachment.

[SERGE ANT]

The 5th Alexandria hussar regiment, like many military formations of the Russian army, split after the 1917 revolution, and part of the cavalry went over to the side of the Bolsheviks. At first, a small cavalry detachment fought against anti-Soviet elements near the town of Cherepovets, and then was transferred to Moscow. There, the hussars acquired new equipment and ammunition, tidied up the horses and went to the Eastern Front. On the outskirts of Orenburg, the Alexandrians almost died, accidentally colliding with the Czechoslovak corps. But they were lucky: the enemy, because of the uniform and decent uniforms, mistook the hussars for the White Guards (most of the units of the Red Army fought in rags). If the White Czechs, who had a significant numerical advantage, had doubts, the hussars would have faced inevitable death. True, due to the decent form of the horsemen, at first they refused to let them into Orenburg, other Red Army men did not recognize them as their own. But everything turned out. In 1918, the Alexandrians drove the White Guards east along with other units of the Red Army. On March 17, 1919, a detachment of red hussars was enlisted in the 13th Orenburg regiment of the 3rd Turkestan cavalry division, which was disbanded in September 1921.

Source: "Red Hussars": how the elite cavalry of the Russian army fought against the whites
© Russian Seven russian7.ru

[Ryazan87]

The Alexandrian hussar fully existed in the White Army, and even of different formations:
1. The squadron of the regiment in January - March 1919 was included in the Reserve Cavalry Regiment (I) and in the spring of 1919 in the Perekop detachment of the Crimean-Azov Army, then transferred to the Caucasus. Its own regiment (6 squadrons) was formed on July 1, 1919 in Grozny (from the Stavropolites - old cavalry soldiers, Nogai and Kalmyks) as part of the Troops of the North Caucasus (VSYUR).
2. Revived on the Eastern Front as the Samara Hussar Regiment.
As for the Red Army, there one of the junior officers of the regiment (the cornet Konstantin Ushakov) really put together one squadron in the 18th year, which was later deployed to the Orenburg cavalry regiment. This already had a very indirect relation to the Alexandrians.
Ushakov fought well - 3 BKZ and 18 wounds, rose to the rank of division commander. In the 38th he was arrested, in the 43rd he died in the camp from exhaustion and pellagra.
The famous Soviet military leader Gorbatov recalled about him:
"... On the eve of leaving the Bay of Nakhodka, I found Kostya Ushakov in a ditch he was digging. He was short, thin, and was sitting, exhausted, with his head bowed to a shovel. When he learned that I was leaving tomorrow, he asked me to say there, in Moscow, that he is not guilty of anything and has never been an "enemy of the people."

[Konnick]

And the most famous of these military units was the 55 Krasnogusar (Narva) regiment, formed from officers and soldiers of the 17th Chernigov hussar regiment

And as the Hungarian hussars fought, who went to serve in the Red Army, Dutov's Cossacks were afraid to engage in saber battle with them. Read about Lajos Wienerman's squad.

[Ryazan87]

What is surprising, career cavalrymen of the Austro-Hungarian army. The Hungarians were traditionally strong in cavalry. About 80 thousand Hungarians actively fought for the Reds (Hungarian historians call a figure of more than 100, but this seems to be an exaggeration, according to the archives, about 50 thousand are known by name). And then everyone scares the invaders, there were more Hungarians than the entire Volunteer Army :)
In the 18th, in Siberia (near Lake Baikal), there was simply a phantasmagoria: the backbone of the red detachments - the Hungarians and the Germans, the backbone of the whites - the Czechoslovakians. Latvians and Chinese, both of them.

[parusnik]

Karali Moldovans, residents of Kherson region and Donbass, Kiev residents, Russians of Little Russia.

Russian Little Russia, other nationalities did not touch? This is the idea of ​​the Provisional Government to create "national" units, in particular the hero of the White movement, General Kornilov, and the future last hetman of Ukraine, then General of the Russian army Skoropadsky, opposed it.А

the regiment also turned into perjurers:

.. Be careful with this word, for example, there is a head of state, when he was a child, a young man, an adult, he swore and violated the same oath four times, and now sometimes, he will take a lot of slop into the past of his country.

fought with Russian troops in the winter of 1917-1918.

This comes out on the side of the Austro-German troops, since according to the Treaty of Brest, concluded between the Ukrainian Directory, and Germany, Austria-Hungary, troops of these powers were introduced into the territory of Ukraine, detachments of the Red Guards and anarchists put up resistance, and patriots, by the way, moved to the Don. , Drozdovsky with his regiment, when he made his way to the Don, so fiercely hated the "Yermans" that he did not join them, but the rear of the Red detachments, which fought with the Germans, pinched pretty much.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Have been stationed in Ukraine for too long. The hussars went wild .. Degradation against the background of Ukrainian nationalism is evident. This is how the Ukrainians traded in the anus for centuries. And the army of this very "Ukrainians" is no exception. The same is happening now. Looks like it's written in the outskirts of the family - to walk from hand to hand ..

[Fat]

For the history of the regiment, which is 100 years old, it is written very sparingly, and the only detailed moment is the punitive operation in the revolution of 1905. (One might think in 1830 in the Kingdom of Poland the Russian hussars did not fight with the rebels). Honestly, when I saw the title, I expected more details. As one respected art critic said: "Brevity is not always the sister of talent." However, thanks to Roman for the illustrations.

[Olgovich]

A primitive clumsy article, especially about the most complex and contradictory time of the beginning of the 20th century, full of stamps and propaganda about "punishers" published in circulation: in 1907, the robbers were only whipped, forced to return the PLANED and left alone, and under the "nogodny" power for the collective farm taken from hunger colossal -camps, prisons, deportations, executions.

Crushed by lubets Russian red uprising of the Arsenal plant in Kiev,

the author is the first who called this uprising ... "Russian", until now it was called Bolshevik which it was

fought with Russians troops in the winter of 1917-1918

were red the troops of the Bolsheviks who unleashed the civil war in Russia, incl. and in Little Russia, they never themselves Russians troops were not called

And the regiment also turned into perjurers: one by one it betrayed the emperor, the Provisional Government, the UPR.

complete nonsense: after the abdication, what is the oath to whom? The same with VP.

remembering Pavlenko let the author remember about Vlasov and those red units where he fought.
according to his "logic" they are also ... traitors ", since they were commanded by a traitor.

[SERGE ANT]

red troops of the Bolsheviks who unleashed the civil war in Russia

Hello again .. Any government does not need a Civil War. After all, the Civil War is an attempt on the very existence of this very power. No power will encroach on itself. A civil war is ALWAYS and EVERYWHERE started by an opponent of the authorities. The Soviet power, represented by the Bolsheviks, could not start a Civil War against themselves. Even without knowing history, one can logically understand that no government is interested in the Civil War. By itself, the phrase "Soviet Power" means that the Bolsheviks have ALREADY gained power. Therefore, only those who wanted to take power from the Bolsheviks could start the Civil War.
The first attempt to start a civil war was on October 26-29, 1917 (O.S.), when the former chairman of the Provisional Government, Alexander Kerensky, and the general of the tsarist army, Pyotr Krasnov, sent parts of the 3rd Cavalry Corps from the city of Ostrov on a military campaign against Petrograd.29 October in Petrograd, a junker uprising broke out under the leadership of the "Committee for the Salvation of the Motherland and the Revolution." The Bolsheviks did not unleash a civil war. On the contrary, they did everything possible to prevent the outbreak of such a war. Many examples can be cited confirming that the Soviet government did everything possible to prevent a civil war. Even the participants in the first anti-Soviet riots, including their leaders: Generals Krasnov, Kornilov, Kaledin, were even released without punishment. In particular, General Krasnov was released on the general's word of honor, but, as you know, he did not keep his word.
In the first months after the October Revolution, the Bolsheviks did not pass death sentences in political trials. Even the famous monarchist V.M. Purishkevich was convicted conditionally, without serving a sentence in prison, and then amnestied. There was no need for the new government to commit violence, since 90% of the population of the former Russian empire supported the revolution.
Without outside interference, the Soviet Republic would have solved its internal problems without much bloodshed.

[Olgovich]

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Hello again .. Any government does not need a Civil War. After all, the Civil War is an attempt on the very existence of this very power. No power will encroach on itself. A civil war is ALWAYS and EVERYWHERE started by an opponent of the authorities. The Soviet power, represented by the Bolsheviks, could not start a Civil War against themselves. Even without knowing history, one can logically understand that no government is interested in the Civil War.

and hello to you, aliens.

For only they do not know that before the thieves there was a LEGAL, recognized by absolutely everyone (including the so-called Congress of Soviets, popularly elected local Dumas, etc.), which by force overthrew a bunch of bandits on behalf of only the only department of VRK the only in Russia the council (and the councils in Russia, let me remind you there were about a THOUSAND and in the overwhelming majority of them there were simply no Bolsheviks or in the minority).

then these same figures, oath speaking for the US, calling myself TEMPORARY until US, warmed up their selectors and ... dispersed the DC by starting the HW flywheel.

Or, maybe the alien will explain to me, with WHAT kind of fright, tens of millions of people who chose ANOTHER power in the elections had to submit to the usurpers who were obdlvshis at the elections?

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.I wish you a birthday

and you, aliens, the same.

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The first attempt to start a civil war was on October 26-29, 1917 (according to Art. Art.),

absolutely right, it was on October 26 that the VOR took place, as Deputy Martov announced on October 26 at the so-called. Congress of Soviets: "The GW has begun!"

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In particular, General Krasnov was released on the general's word of honor, but, as you know, he did not keep his word.

aliens would go to school (just not to a completely deceitful Bolshevik school) and find out that at the negotiations in the Gatchina the Bolsheviks promised negotiations in Petrograd with Krasnov inviolable and arrested him in the most vile way.

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i. There was no need for the new state power to commit violence, sinceto 90% of the population of the formerth Russian Empire supported the revolution.

aliens are aliens and do not know that - the Bolsheviks lost the election in the US, and there were NEVER more elections with them-the aliens were afraid of them to enuresis and animal horror. But obsessive nonsense about ... 90% of support "know"

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Without outside interference, the Soviet Republic would have solved its internal problems without much bloodshed.

so-called there is only one "conscientious republic" (not recognized by ANYONE, including by the people of Russia) out of many on the territory Russian republic.

Before the VOR, there was no question of any foreign intervention, but after the fierce cooperation of the Bolshevik traitors with the German occupiers, no one wanted to strengthen the German occupiers and tried to prevent this by intervention. The reason is the thief and its Brest betrayal

Aliens at the same time vehemently support the SAME actions of the USSR in relation to ... Iran in 1941 (intervention and occupation).

Where is the logic ...

[Foul skeptic]

the Bolsheviks promised negotiations in Petrograd with Krasnov inviolable and arrested him in the most vile way

Nobody arrested Krasnov. He spent 12 hours in Smolny in negotiations, where the question of leaving his weapons to the Cossacks was decided, but without artillery (!!!) and at 11 pm Krasnov was taken (!!!) to his home, before that they prevented the lynching of the sailors over him (! !!). His only complaint was that he was promised that he would be released before lunchtime, and was released closer to night.

after the ardent cooperation of the Bolshevik traitors with the German occupiers, no one wanted to strengthen the German occupiers and tried to prevent this by intervention.

What battles between non-German interventionists and German interventionists can you tell about? I would like to understand how they were not allowed to increase? Especially taking into account the protocol to the Armistice of Compiegne, according to which the Entente ordered the Germans to remain in the occupied territory of the already defunct Russian Empire until the German troops were completely replaced by the Entente troops. And which Germans were not allowed to strengthen after 1918? And what Germans were not allowed to strengthen in Siberia and the Far East, where they never were and could not be? To understand the entire inconsistency of the position about "not letting the Germans grow stronger", it is enough just to look at the foci of intervention on the map. Investments were defended by "Mr. Twisters". But only. Well, the rest of the 14 - Tobaccos under the Sherkhan. And how did the Bolsheviks cooperate with the Germans that they accepted the help of the Entente to defend Murmansk from the Germans?

support the SAME actions of the USSR in relation to .... Iran in 1941 (intervention and occupation).
Where is the logic ...

Logic versus Comparable.
Nor is the first intervention in Persia in 1909 identical to the second intervention in Persia in 1911.

[Olgovich]

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Nobody arrested Krasnov.

don’t honor your lard?
Carla:

Mild measures were applied to Krasnov. He was subjected only to domestic arrest.

and before that, the Bolsheviks treacherously violated the conditions of the already concluded truce (not to occupy Gatchina) and occupied it.

Further to Krasnov:

Dybenko and a second lieutenant of one of the guards regiments, Tarasov-Rodionov, a man of about thirty with a university badge, came into the room.

- General, - said Tarasov, - we ask you to go with me to Smolny tomorrow for negotiations. We must decide what to do with the Cossacks.

- Is this a hidden arrest? I asked.
I give you my word of honor that no, - said Tarasov.

- I guarantee you, General, - said Dybenko, - that nobody will touch you. At 10 o'clock you will be in Smolny, and at 11 we will return you back.

- You understand, - said Tarasov-Rodionov, - or we will have to arrest and disarm your detachment, or take you for negotiations.

“Okay, I'll go,” I said.

it was the old Bolshevik lie, which accompanied all 70 years of their reign from the first to the last day.

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I would like to understand how they were not allowed to increase?

the Bolsheviks transferred to their masters the German-Austrian occupiers vast lands, their resources, ports, railways, echelons of gold and food, returned to the aggressor almost a million prisoners of war is a crime of bandits against humanity and the feat of Russia (thanks to white Russia for preventing the return of almost a million Austro-German soldiers, who were so lacking in the central powers in 1918). There was a real danger of the transfer of huge military warehouses of the Arctic and even closer cooperation of the Bolshevik tobacco with the owner.
This criminal alliance needed to be thwarted. And being taken for ts in the Far East was very sobering, yes ..

You will remember the main thing - before the thief, there was no intervention (and this is a terrible muck in any case for Russia) and there was no question, it is a consequence of the actions of the thieves, like the GV with its 25 million losseswho did not recover even before the Second World War

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to the Truce of Compiegne

The Entente eliminated the Bolshevik betrayal of Russia in the Compiegne and drove out the occupiers:

-Termination of the Brest Peace Treaty with Russia
-Evacuation of all German troops on the Eastern Front to German territory, in positions as of August 1, 1914 (this evacuation should be carried out when the Entente considers that the appropriate conditions for this have developed in these territories).

- not to transfer power to the bandits, and the USA, WB and France did not have their own plans for annexation.

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And which Germans were not allowed to strengthen after 1918?

by the end of 1919, mostly an intervention and ended - so The interventionists themselves decided -No epic "American-Franco-Bolshevik" fronts "," battles "were not and were the fruit of the inflamed imagination of the Bolsheviks.

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And what Germans were not allowed to strengthen in Siberia and the Far East, where they never were and could not be?

and in IRAN 41 Germans were not and could not be, and the USSR with the WB climbed in there, killed the Iranians and occupied

[Foul skeptic]

don’t honor your lard?

Manipulation based on the logical error of "appeal to authority". When they try to pass off a certain statement as correct only because such a statement was made by a well-known or authoritative person. The fallacy is that the truth or falsity of a statement does not depend on the opinion of a famous person; in addition, the authoritative source may be wrong in its conclusions, even based on correct premises

Further to Krasnov:

AND? This passage confirms my words.
Nobody arrested Krasnov. He spent 12 hours in Smolny in negotiations, where the question of leaving his weapons to the Cossacks was decided, but without artillery (!!!) and at 11 pm Krasnov was taken (!!!) to his home, before that they prevented the lynching of the sailors over him (! !!). His only complaint was that he was promised that he would be released before lunchtime, and was released closer to night.

the Bolsheviks treacherously violated the conditions of the already concluded truce (not to occupy Gatchina) and occupied it

You don’t want to show where, under the terms of the armistice, you don’t want to occupy Gatchina. Krasnov's sanity is generally visible on the demand "we will occupy Peterhof for the duration of the armistice" (!!!). Perhaps that is why Kerensky wrote his text and did not show it to Krasnov.

and even closer cooperation of the Bolshevik tobaccos with the owner. This criminal alliance needed to be thwarted.

It remains for something to confirm their words about union and cooperation.

And being taken for ts in the Far East was very sobering, yes ..

But you need to sober up, as it were, the Germans, and in your "reasoning" the poles got messed up

You will remember the main thing - before the thief, there was no intervention (and this is a terrible muck in any case for Russia) and there was no question

AND? It's like saying that there was no intervention before the test tube at the UN. That is, an attempt to shift responsibility.

GW with its 25 million losses

yes, 125.

and the USA, WB and France did not have their own plans for annexation.

Substitution of concepts is an attempt to replace the establishment of a political force that is advantageous for oneself with a direct seizure of territory.

by the end of 1919, basically, the intervention and ended - so the interventionists themselves decided

Of course we decided for ourselves. Who will decide for them. Only yourself. When a surrender is accepted, they also decide for themselves. Because the circumstances are pushing. Like the Anglo-Irish war, for example. The active part of which began in 1919. And such factors, of course, did not in any way affect the decision of the invaders to deal with their problems.

and in IRAN 41 Germans were not and could not be

They sat so tightly in Iran since the 30s that of course there was no reason for fear, neither swastikas in the emblems of the government party, nor the construction of Nazyabad, nor Leverkühn and Schulze-Holtus, Iranian youth did not march in front of von Chirac with a Nazi salute. ..

[Olgovich]

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Manipulation built on the logical error of "appeal to authority". When try to pass off some statement as correct only because such a statement was made by a well-known or authoritative person. Misconception lies in the fact that the truth or falsity of a statement does not depend on the opinion of a famous person; in addition, a reputable source may make a mistake in conclusions, even based on correct premises

your Karla brought the FACT of the arrest, and what are you talking about?

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AND? This passage confirms my words.

only in an inflamed imagination is a fragment of BEFORE Petrograd, in Gatchina

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Nobody arrested Krasnov.

bursting to help you again.

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It remains for something to confirm your words about alliance and cooperation

Brest betrayal to help you.

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But you need to sober up, as it were, the Germans, and in your "reasoning" the poles got messed up

traitors were sober - from an alliance with the Germans. The Germans were successfully sober on the FRONT.

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AND? It's like saying that there was no intervention before the test tube at the UN. That is, an attempt to shift responsibility.

you are given a FACT, there is NO INTERVENTION before the Thief and the alliance with the Germans, as well as her plans.
on-consequence of a thief and betrayal

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Of course we decided for ourselves. Who will decide for them.

got it, glory to all.

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They sat so tightly in Iran since the 30s that of course there was no reason for concern, neither swastikas in the emblems of the government party, nor the construction of Nazyabad, nor Leverkühn and Schulze-Holtus, Iranian youth did not march in front of von Chirac with a Nazi salute. ...

so in 1918 the Bolsheviks were forced to squeeze the same servants of Germany.

Not Russia, namely them, who had nothing to do with Russia: NO ONE EVER CHOSE Bolsheviks anywhere in power, cut it on your forehead.

[Foul skeptic]

your Karla brought the FACT of the arrest, and what are you talking about?

And I am showing the manipulative nature of your "arguments".

only in an inflamed imagination is a fragment of BEFORE Petrograd, in Gatchina

I know to what and after what this passage, I read books differently from how you "read" "The Hungry Year" Does the passage you quoted say that this is not an arrest? It is said. Does this match what I wrote? Matches. The passage you quoted says that a trip to find out what to do with the Cossacks? It is said. Does this match what I wrote? Matches. Does the passage you quoted refer to a time frame? It is said. Is there an indication of the time frame in my text? There is.

bursting to help you again.

Your level of ability to have an open-minded conversation is visible even from the words you use. You can call anyone you want to help, but you'd better call Krasnov himself, who for some reason did not consider himself under arrest. Stupid probably.

Brest betrayal to help you.

You have been asked to confirm your words about alliance and alliance. The Brest-Litovsk Peace Treaty does not confirm either the first or the second.
In this case, the Alhessir Conference is a "fact" of Germany's cooperation with Britain and France, and the Portsmouth Peace Treaty is a "fact" of alliance between Japan and Russia.

traitors were sober - from an alliance with the Germans.

So the union already exists or is it not yet and it is necessary to sober up so that it does not exist? An alternative history is such an alternative.

you are given a FACT, there is NO INTERVENTION before the Thief and the alliance with the Germans, as well as her plans.

You are also given a FACT - there was no intervention before the test tube at the UN.

here in 1918

There is no "here and".
You are trying to identify different things.

Bolsheviks NOBODY EVER CHOSE to power anywhere-hack on your forehead.

You call a quarter of those who voted - "nobody". And then you wonder why Russia was shaken by revolutions.

PS As I understand it ... did not want to

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You don’t want to show where, under the terms of the armistice, you don’t want to occupy Gatchina.

[Olgovich]

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And I show manipulativeness Your "arguments".

nobody needs you with your "grades" of me

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I know how much and after what this passage, I read the books differently from how you "read" "The Hungry Year" Does the passage you quoted say that this is not an arrest? It is said. Does this match what I wrote? Matches. The passage you quoted says that a trip to find out what to do with the Cossacks? It is said. Does this match what I wrote? Matches. Does the passage you quoted refer to a time frame? It is said. Is there an indication of the time frame in my text? There is.

meaningless dumb set of words.

The arrest was and was contrary to promises

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Your level of ability to have an open-minded conversation is visible even from the words you use. You can call anyone you want to help, but you'd better call Krasnov himself, who for some reason did not consider himself under arrest. Stupid probably.

Nobody talks to you, you impose on him.

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You have been asked to confirm your words about alliance and alliance. The Brest-Litovsk Peace Treaty does not confirm either the first or the second.

you at least have a stake on your head

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You are also given a FACT - there was no intervention before the test tube at the UN.

you are given a FACT, there is NO INTERVENTION before the Thief and the alliance with the Germans, as well as her plans.

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There is no "here and".
You are trying to identify different things.

it is "and" and it is not for you to judge, no one

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You call a quarter of those who voted - "nobody". And then you wonder why Russia was shaken by revolutions.

a quarter is much less than 3/4.

and with your choices there WAS NEVER, so much, before enuresis, you were afraid of them. KNEW it would be thrown out, yeah

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PS As I understand it ... did not want to

read the text given
crane

[Daniil Konovalenko]

The author tried to please everyone. And if you take the history of the regiments of the Russian imperial army, they are somewhat similar, in some ways they are not, for example, the 5th Dragoon Kargopol regiment, formed in Peter's times, a participant in almost all Russian-Turkish wars, participated in Seven Years' War, Napoleonic Wars, the Patriotic War of 1812, foreign campaigns of 1812-1815, suppressed Polish uprisings, after the February Revolution he swore allegiance to the Provisional Government, and after the October Revolution, almost all the personnel of the regiment self-demobilized. The remaining part in December 1917 joined the ranks of the Red Guard, those who joined the Red Guard formed the Kargopol Red Guard detachment, the former non-commissioned officer A. Yushkevich was chosen as the detachment commander, and K. Rokossovsky was his deputy.

[Undecim]

Another sketch from the Ivanov corporation, moreover, clumsy, with obvious manipulations and distortions.
The author does not consider participation in the suppression of the Polish and Hungarian uprisings to be punitive actions, he calls it a "war", but the suppression of the 1905 uprising is already a "punitive war" for the author.
About the cheap drama about perjury and Ukrainization.
The tsar, in his renunciation, released everyone from the oath to him. Then they swore not to the state, but to the king.
Ukrainization was carried out in accordance with the order of the Headquarters of the Supreme High Command in accordance with the instructions of the Provisional Government on the entire Romanian front.
Immediately after the liquidation of the Provisional Government, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief Krylenko abolished Ukrainization.
In April 1918, the UPR was liquidated as a result of a coup d'etat by Hetman P. P. Skoropadsky.
Therefore, no one committed any perjury.

Already in March 1917, the regiment was Ukrainianized, renamed the 2nd Lubensky Ukrainian Regiment (later Serdyutsky) under the command of the notorious Omelyanovich-Pavlenko, the future policeman of the Reich.

Here the author with a cunning volt half of the biography of Omelyanovich - Pavlenko "omitted".
At that time, Omelyanovich-Pavlenko was a colonel in the Russian army, who was repeatedly awarded, including the Order of St. George for the heroism shown on the fronts of the First World War, who personally led the soldiers into a bayonet attack.
Well, the last paragraph - this is completely the author blurted out without thinking.

[Fat]

Victor Nikolaevich. I agree with you. And the last paragraph is a clear incitement to holivar.

[Terran ghost]

Ukrainization was carried out in accordance with the order of the Headquarters of the Supreme High Command in accordance with the instructions of the Provisional Government on the entire Romanian front.

Can you link to this very order and instructions of the Provisional Government? Otherwise, there is simply a difference between voluntary initiatives "from below" to open schools with teaching in the Ukrainian language and an action carried out compulsorily "from above".
Forced Ukrainization was carried out in the 1920s-1930s by the RCP (b) - VKP (b). And by the way, this is a documented fact.

[MA3UTA]

It’s not so dumb.

[Terran ghost]

The date of the order is DECEMBER 27, 1917. What other Provisional Government?

[Undecim]

What other Provisional Government?

The Provisional Government of Russia, with which "was in a relationship" since March 1917, Tsentralnaya Rada. Or did "Ukrainization" appear suddenly and from scratch?

[Terran ghost]

The date of the order is December 27, 1917. The Provisional Government could not give such an order in principle. For obvious reasons. This is the first thing.
Second. There is a significant, fundamental difference between the initiatives carried out on a voluntary basis "from below" to open schools with teaching in the Ukrainian language and the action carried out forcibly "from above" by the state authorities.
So, forced Ukrainization was carried out in the 1920s-1930s by the RCP (b) - VKP (b), and not by the Provisional Government.

[Undecim]

And what does the Ukrainization in the USSR and the Ukrainization of the army units in 1917 have to do with it? You at least familiarize yourself with the history of the issue, then broadcast.
All the best.

[Konnick]

The date of the order is December 27, 1917. The Provisional Government could not give such an order in principle. For obvious reasons.

This order was issued by the Central Rada, under Skoropadsky, and it was Ukrainianized in September by the Provisional Government.
There is no smell of forced Ukrainization by the Bolsheviks. The Bolsheviks' army was united and even international. But the Provisional Government dabbled in the creation of national parts like the tsarist.

[Terran ghost]

and it was Ukrainianized in September by the Provisional Government.

Who exactly was Ukrainianized?

The Bolsheviks do not smell of forced Ukrainization of the Bolsheviks.

Mmm ...
Quote: ".. It is clear that if Russian elements still prevail in the cities of Ukraine, then over time these cities will inevitably be Ukrainianized"- I. V. Stalin (Dzhugashvili)
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/wwPrBX75jr-MDlhmqJwJnay7XgVv73y8JTQ1vKKeKbLSp2zobfDFjZL5echQgEg5W6sXFULCkhkDQbooJUrGW296l4buscdTrjRqFfNxGuohOI9HS9TAFVM9Dtxow9Uq-ti4PaOY
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/DASNc96gsHcwDNhAGV14GHQTjztVQIe9z9ecYOzroqKiW2hCBOKhpPOlcXxvjpYnmdDrXcnxZ0tgQAENuAWwKNLMXousfiw2FUrYHlUwiOd_W1N5QynrR3ftS2jVjMQ6dZGByqsL
https://politikus.ru/uploads/posts/2017-09/1505992045_1.jpg

[Foul skeptic]

Quote: ".. It is clear that if Russian elements still predominate in the cities of Ukraine, then over time these cities will inevitably be Ukrainianized" - I.V. Stalin (Dzhugashvili)

You haven't mastered the whole paragraph? Or deliberately truncated the phrase to remove the context?

[Olgovich]

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You haven't mastered the whole paragraph? Or deliberately truncated the phrase to remove the context?

only a complete beat-Russophobe will deny the Violent, exclusively RUSOPHOBIC character of the vile Bolshevik Ukrainization of Little Russia and Novorossia.

For this, the Bolsheviks were attracted ukronazists Grushevsky, Vinnichenko and other evil spirits.

Another crime against Russia and the Russian people.

[Foul skeptic]

You, too, did not master the whole paragraph? Or are you going to argue that the presentation in the form in which Stalin's words are presented above is a manipulation? Well, try it.

[Olgovich]

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You, too, did not master the whole paragraph? Or are you going to argue that the presentation in the form in which Stalin's words are presented above is a manipulation?

"manipulation" is only in your brains.

It was the FORCED Ukrainization and life that was carried out by force fit under stupid theory.

And all the same: in the cities there was a RUSIFICATION of visitors, not Ukrainization by visitors.

[Terran ghost]

Or deliberately truncated the phrase to remove the context?

Just so as not to load the quote with unnecessary text. But if you wish. Here is the complete phrase
https://sun9-32.userapi.com/impf/K6WuB0lPJu40lmq5TIOHc_-jhAjYivfxbWXhLQ/zKGLBzgWSQw.jpg?size=807x452&quality=96&sign=27dc34f023f70e478c45d3e08da0b895&type=album
What kind of context was "removed"? From the phrase follows two made by I.V. Stalin (Dzhugashvili) send:
1) RCP (b) considers it its duty to develop Ukrainian national culture.
2) The development of Ukrainian national culture, according to I.V. Stalin, is historically conditioned and inevitable ("you can't go against history")
3) "Inevitability", according to the same I.V. Stalin, the Ukrainization of the cities of the Ukrainian SSR, where, again, according to I.V. Stalin, "Russian elements still predominate".

[Foul skeptic]

And, so you analyze the text using pictures in social networks? Many questions have been removed.

Further, I have a note that we, the communists, are allegedly implanting the Belarusian nationality artificially. This is not true, because there is a Belarusian nation that has its own language, which is different from Russian, and therefore it is possible to raise the culture of the Belarusian people only in their native language. The same speeches were heard five years ago about Ukraine, about the Ukrainian nation. And recently it was said that the Ukrainian republic and the Ukrainian nation are an invention of the Germans. Meanwhile, it is clear that the Ukrainian nation exists, and the development of its culture is the responsibility of the communists. You can't go against history. It is clear that if Russian elements still predominate in the cities of Ukraine, then over time these cities will inevitably be Ukrainianized. Forty years ago, Riga was a German city, but since cities grow at the expense of villages, and the village is the guardian of nationality, now Riga is a purely Latvian city. Fifty years ago, all the cities of Hungary had a German character; now they are Magyarized. The same will happen with Belarus, in whose cities non-Belarusians still predominate.

[Catfish]

And we have received yet another proof - an army shooting at its own people becomes an occupying army, no matter what glorious traditions are behind it.

Now everything is clear, "Bloody Sunday" was staged by the invaders.

[MA3UTA]

The history of the regiment was written by Burtsev, from where the illustrations are taken.
https://viewer.rusneb.ru/ru/rsl01003788703?page=1&rotate=0&theme=white

Why push the reader to the conclusion that since the regiment took part in "punitive" actions (this is from the point of view of our, modern), then this is precisely what became the prerequisite for its inglorious end?
It's not like that at all. We must take into account and understand the period from February 17 to the end of the civil war. Contemporaries of those times did not always understand, and we so easily draw conclusions.

The history of the regiment, like its people, is quite interesting and even curious.
For example, Count F.A.Keller, https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keller ,_Fyodor_Arturovich, served in the 24th Dragoon Lubensky Regiment (1894-1901).
And the famous hero of 1812, the commander of the Melessino regiment

served as a model for the famous sculptor Falconet for the monument to Peter the Great on Senate Square, for which he rode on one of his beautiful horses onto a sloping platform, purposely arranged for this at the pedestal of a rock "

A common unit at the time.

A lot of information about Lubentsi - on the Old Chisinau forum oldchisinau.com
http://oldchisinau.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=13

[Dym71]

Thanks for the links provided, otherwise there is not enough information in Wikipedia, although maybe more than in the article by Roman Ivanov.
My great-grandfather with his family.

[depressant]

The article forced me to turn to the history of the Russian Empire of the 20th century, since there is the Internet, dozens or even hundreds of articles in it, and I grabbed my head - but I don't know the history of my country!
After all, I learned from school: Bloody Sunday, priest Gapon, Cossack whips, human sacrifices, indignation of the liberal layers of the public and ... that's it!
And that's all, colleagues!
But why then was Bloody Sunday called a revolution?
Because in fact it was the beginning of the grandiose revolution of 1905-1907, the forerunner of the 17th year. And it was so significant, this revolution, that various army structures were forced to play a role in its suppression. In accordance with the alignment of their own political and religious beliefs, delusions, economic benefits and the class composition of the army units.
The galley swung and remained in a state of heel. The bifurcation point has been passed.

[Pane Kohanku]

And it was so significant, this revolution, that various army structures were forced to play a role in its suppression.

EMNIP, "Krasnaya Presnya" was suppressed by the guards ... Will they now be recorded as traitors to the Motherland and bloody executioners? ..

[Konnick]

EMNIP, "Krasnaya Presnya" was suppressed by the guards ... Are they now to be recorded as traitors to the Motherland and bloody executioners ?.

And what are the guards units in imperial Russia?
These are the security units and they were concentrated near the tsarist residences, the Semenovsky regiment arrived from St. Petersburg to suppress Krasnaya Presnya, there were no executioners in Moscow. These guards regiments were supposed to be executioners in their name, but Nicholas II sent them during the First World War to the front from the capital and there they stupidly flaunting the title of guardsmen were mowed down by machine guns. And when the time came to stop the February revolution, they were not on the spot in the capital, and they were still at the front, completely changing their personnel due to losses .. Do not confuse the Soviet Guard, the honorary title of royal guard. Now the structure of the security forces has been recreated in the form of the Russian Guard. Who they should protect, I think everyone knows.

[Fat]

Many have heard about the special hatred of the Bolsheviks for the Life Guards Semyonovsky Regiment. The Life Guards are the bodyguards of their Imperial Majesties, no less.
In the suppression of the December 1905 uprising, the Semenovites played a completely unattractive role. 6 companies under the command of Colonel N.K. Riemann. They acted mercilessly.
Colonel Riemann, according to the evidence collected by V. Vladimirov, personally killed people or released the detainees of his choice, finished shooting the wounded. The executions took place right in the homes of the searched, in front of the children, wives and mothers. The most bloody massacres were committed by the Semenovites at the Sortirovochnaya and Perovo stations.
The commander of the Semyonovsky regiment received special praise from Nicholas II for suppressing the revolt. The emperor promoted Ming to major general and awarded him a cash prize "with the addition of a royal kiss." On August 13, 1906, Socialist-Revolutionary Zinaida Konoplyannikova shot Mina at the Novy Peterhof station.
In 1917, the Semyonovsky regiment declared itself an adherent of the new system, and in 1918 it was renamed the 3rd Petrograd City Guard named after Uritsky. When the threat of an offensive by the White armies began to threaten Petrograd, the 3rd Guard Regiment was transformed into the 3rd Infantry Regiment of the 2nd Petrograd Special Purpose Brigade and sent to the front. In May 1919, the former Semenovites went over to the side of Yudenich.
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The 1st Guards Corps of the Imperial Army in the First World War is almost entirely Life Guards.
Nobody ever intended to confuse the Soviet Guard with them. It is you who have gathered everything together with all your heart.
The current, "recreated" Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments are not guards.

[Konnick]

Nobody ever intended to confuse the Soviet Guard with them. It was you from the bottom of your heart that gathered everything together

Well and good.
And the National Guard of Zolotov is the "direct" heir to the traditions of the Semenovites

[Fat]

Quote: Konnick

And the Rosgvardiya Zolotov is the "direct" heir to the traditions of the Life Guards

This is completely incorrect. By appointment, the National Guard and the Life Guard are probably close. But traditions, especially L.G. Preobrazhensky and L.G. Semyonovsky, leading from the "amusing" young Pyotr Alekseevich to the Russian Guard in no way can be attached

[depressant]

And here is an example, for what reasons the Cossacks suppressed the unrest of the peasants in Altai at the same time.
The peasants have always needed forest for outbuildings and heating. But the forest was distributed to private owners, forgetting about the peasants. And then the peasants began to seize forest land and hasty felling of trees. Cossacks were brought in to pacify them. Those, besides the fact that they were warriors, were also peasants, and the motivation of the invaders of the forest was clear to them. However, the land plots of the Cossacks, some of whom had already also been reduced by the authorities, in most cases were still twice as many allotments of the peasants. And the Cossacks reasoned that if the peasants seize the landowners' land, then they will come to seize the Cossack land. And so that the Cossacks did not hesitate, the authorities allowed them, after the suppression of the peasant freemen, to take for themselves 50% of the cut wood. And doubts like "must - do not" were discarded.

[Korsar4]

There was trouble with the peasant forests. They chopped down whatever they wanted, and the forest was renewed, perhaps, with undergrowth.

[Looking for]

they were.

[Trilobite Master]

Quote: depressant

why then was Bloody Sunday called a revolution?

Because in the course of these events, a change in the state system took place - Russia from an absolute monarchy became constitutional. True, purely formally, but at least on paper.
Your idea of ​​the events of 1905, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, very clearly illustrates the answer to your question about what exactly I do not like the work of some site authors. The facts set forth by them could indeed have taken place, but due to the pharmaceutical nature and tendentiousness of the selection, they add up to a primitive and distorted picture, similar to the one that developed in your country up to 1905.
The most striking example of a victim of this approach among us is Olgovich. True, he is struck by propaganda with a different sign, but this does not change the essence of the matter. The facts that he cites, either really took place in the form as he cites them, or a little distorted. But in isolation from the historical context, specially selected, these facts distort the true history, turning the historical canvas into a crooked-mirror reflection, suitable, perhaps, for a room of laughter.

[depressant]

Well...
I am slowly studying the materials. An interesting picture is emerging.
By 1905, the overwhelming majority of the guards fitzers were apolitical, because the officers were forbidden to engage in politics. They often did not understand the essence of the class struggle at all. But on the other hand, by the beginning of the revolution, they had already learned well that they were a guard, a "godly force," which was supposed to protect the dynasty from the popular masses that had gone out of state control. Thus, the guards returned to the functions assigned to it by Peter I and spiced with a mystical, spiritual aspect, consisting in protecting the king, the church, that is, the faith, and the state.
This is to make it clear what ideas were possessed by the guards, who advanced towards the crowd of workers on January 9th.
They say there were 120 thousand people in this "crowd". Who, seeing the guards, did not behave peacefully. Since there were provocateurs among them.

[Konnick]

But on the other hand, by the beginning of the revolution, they had already learned well that they were a guard, a "godly force," which was supposed to protect the dynasty from the popular masses that had gone out of state control. Thus, the guards returned to the functions assigned to it by Peter I and spiced with a mystical, spiritual aspect, consisting in protecting the king, the church, that is, the faith, and the state.

But by the beginning of the February Revolution of 1917, Colonel of the Life Guards of the Finland Regiment Dmitry Khodnev: wrote
“By February 1917, having suffered terrible losses during the war, the Guards infantry as such almost ceased to exist. "Old" - regular officers, ensigns - sergeant-major, non-commissioned officers and privates of "peacetime" who received due education in their native regiments - "good leaven", who understood and sacredly preserved their traditions, who saw the power, glory, greatness and beauty of Russia, adoring the king, loyal to him and his entire family - alas, there are very few of them left. In the army in the field, in each guards infantry regiment, there were about ten to twelve such officers (out of 70-75 who went on the campaign) and no more than a hundred soldiers (out of the former 1800-2000 peacetime). In every battle, the Guards infantry burned like straw thrown into a blazing fire. Constantly thrown from one sector of the front to another ... sent ... to the most dangerous, difficult and responsible places, the guards were constantly destroyed ... If the Guards infantry were not so exhausted and bled, if some of its regiments were in Petrograd, there is no doubt that no revolution would have happened since the February riot would have been immediately suppressed. "

[Konnick]

Thus, the guards returned to the functions assigned to it by Peter I and spiced with a mystical, spiritual aspect, consisting in protecting the king, the church, that is, the faith, and the state.

And how these guardsmen, spiced with mysticism, fought in the first world war, was described in his book by a former war correspondent in his famous book -

“All ideas about the war as about dashing cavalry raids, extraordinary marches and heroic deeds of soldiers and officers turned out to be outdated.

The famous attack of the cavalry guards, when three squadrons, on foot, passed the barbed wire without a single shot, with the regiment commander Prince Dolgorukov at the head, marching under machine-gun fire with a cigar in his mouth and, according to custom, swearing in French, was reduced to that the cavalry guards, having lost half of their number in killed and wounded, took two heavy cannons, which were riveted and guarded by one machine gun.
Esaul of the Cossack hundreds said about this: "If you instructed me, I would take this shit with ten Cossacks."

[depressant]

Well, by the time of the First World Guard, it had lost its quality long ago. And only the Page Corps still consisted of the highest nobility, and it was extremely difficult to get into it even for hereditary nobles.

In the research work of Doctor of Historical Sciences S.V. Volkov's "Russian officer corps" gives an extensive description of the Russian officers. The social origins of officers of the tsarist era in the 20th century are discussed in Chapter VII. And amazing things come to light.

At first, in the Russian army, hereditary nobility was acquired with the very first officer rank of ensign. However, since 1845, such a rank brought only personal nobility, not inherited by posterity, and hereditary now gave only the rank of major. Further, since 1856 - only the rank of colonel. So not all of the officers were nobles? Exactly.
According to Volkov,
“Since the middle of the 76th century, the officer corps is increasingly beginning to be replenished with immigrants from the unprivileged estates, the percentage of immigrants from hereditary nobles is rapidly falling. This process has especially intensified after the adoption of the law on universal military service and the opening of cadet schools, which gave the army mostly non-nobility contingent. Moreover, the percentage of nobles (including children of personal nobles) also decreased among students of military schools (from 1877% in 62 to 1881% in 95), and only in military gymnasiums it remained high (XNUMX%) ...

... From 1881 to 1903, the percentage of hereditary nobles decreased even among students of military schools (from 54 to 47%) and cadet corps (from 69 to 62%). In the cadets' schools, the percentage of children of personal and hereditary nobles fell from 63,4% in 1886 to 39,8% in 1902. In general, as of January 1, 1897, among all 17 students of military educational institutions, hereditary nobles were counted only 123 people (8930%) "

Thus, by the beginning of the 37th century, the share of hereditary nobles in the officer corps had fallen very strongly, and even if the page corps were included in them, then the hereditary nobles accounted for only XNUMX% of the officer corps, which could not but be regarded as a very dangerous symptom. The measures taken to stimulate the admission of hereditary nobles to military educational institutions only slightly increased their share in the officer corps, but by no means enough. Only in the highest echelons of the officer corps - among generals and colonels - the proportion of hereditary nobles was always quite high, although there were already relatively few representatives of the titled aristocracy among them at that time.
As a result, the slogan "For the Faith, the Tsar and the Fatherland" in the officers' educational institutions fell mainly on the bourgeois soil and, alienating officers from political interests, was superficially entrenched. The prospect of rising to the rank of hereditary nobility, in the dangerous environment of events unfolding since the beginning of the 20th century, quickly lost its attractiveness and did not contribute to fanatical devotion to the throne. The new officers did not have such a tradition. The tsar was already excluded from the slogan "For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland", even if only mentally. "For faith!" Was also often excluded.

[Konnick]

The measures taken to stimulate the admission of hereditary nobles to military educational institutions only slightly increased their share in the officer corps, but by no means enough

By the way, about the hussars.
Everything is much simpler.
Believe it or not, the uniform reforms carried out by Alexander III had a detrimental effect on the desire of the noble youth to become officers. The emperor oversimplified the form, removed all sorts of epaulettes, braids, gold embroidery, even replaced shiny buttons with hooks. Nicholas II returned to the beautiful ceremonial uniform, the ceremonial shako with a plume was returned to the hussars. The prestige of the officers increased dramatically. Boys also like to force
Marshal Zhukov wrote in his memoirs about the regret that he did not get into the hussars, but into the dragoons ... the hussars have such a beautiful uniform.
Sewing troops are indestructible

[Trilobite Master]

It remains to understand what motivated the majority of this crowd and what - the provocateurs. It would also be nice to deal with the tsar's entourage. With the king, everything is more or less clear. If it works out, one day of Russian history will become more or less clear to us. It will be possible to move on to the next one.

[depressant]

I can't figure it out, Misha! Believe it or not - based on the peculiarities of finding posts at the bottom of the branch. A dozen lines, and you should jump to the lower black field, you have to type blindly, I can't do that, I have a phone, not a computer, I haven't had this for a long time, and now - again

[Looking for]

Roman Ivanov.Only Bandera will say -in ukraine.v Donbass.Russkiy will say-in ukraine.na donbass.

[RoTTor]

In the primordially Russian CITY of KIEV, which was occupied by the fascist American lackeys who seized power and is rapidly turning it into "khutorkuyev", SUVOROVA Street, was renamed into "vulytsa omelyanovycha-pavlenko", thrice traitor, fascist servant and executioner.

The street adjacent to it, earlier the January Uprising, brutally suppressed by the exiled archers, who betrayed the Austro-Hungarian oath, leading to our Orthodox shrine - the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, was named by the puppet Hutokuevsky Christ-sellers of Mazepa, excommunicated from the Orthodox Church, betrayed to anathema.
Ot what kind of heroes are there now, on whom they are brought up ...