Japanese press: Russian UAVs fly on Japanese engines

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Russia successfully uses foreign dual-use products in its military equipment. In particular, Russian UAVs fly on Japanese engines.

Japanese defense expert Naoaki Hidani writes about this in his article published in the journal Shukan Gendai.



He notes that some countries, including Russia, are purchasing engines and other components made in Japan as civilian products in order to install them on their combat drones. For example, Khidani refers to the Ukrainian portal InformNapalm, which talks about the investigation of volunteers from Ukraine. That's where, as they say, legs grow ...

They allegedly carefully examined the Russian reconnaissance UAV Orlan-2016, which suffered an accident in Donbas in 10. The volunteers determined that of all the components of the drone, they claim, only the fuselage and the radio signal receiver have been created in the Russian Federation. Everything else turned out to be imported, and the parts were of the most diverse origin. And the engine of the FG-40 was made in Japan.

The 4-stroke FG-40 unit manufactured by the Japanese company Saito Seisakusho is considered very popular in the world market and is usually used in the production of radio-controlled aircraft models. It is supplied to 24 states, including Russia. But among the clients of the company there is no Russian company "Center for Special Technologies", which produces military Drones Orlan-10.

Khidani is worried about this. After all, it turns out that manufacturers of dual-use products from Japan do not know which end consumer it will go to. And one day it may turn out that, for example, against their country, the same North Korea will begin to use combat drones equipped with high-quality Japanese engines.

In other words, the statements of the Japanese observer are based on the speculations of Ukrainian so-called volunteers.
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  1. +31
    3 August 2021 19: 41
    Engines are taken from aliexpress. Then they become Orthodox. Import substitution is like that.
    1. Cat
      +1
      3 August 2021 20: 12
      Engines are taken from aliexpress. Then they become Orthodox

      And where will they go if they are filled with Russian vodka? drinks
      1. -2
        3 August 2021 23: 05
        Quote: Gato

        And where will they go if they are filled with Russian vodka?

        It is indecent to offer to fill the engine with vodka on the Rossisk forum. I remembered the "white tea" with Japanese motives, which was taken out of production in 2020. 0,7 liters, it was the real way of the samurai.
        1. Cat
          +2
          3 August 2021 23: 33
          It is indecent to offer to fill the engine with vodka on the Rossisk forum

          I'm sorry if I hurt someone's religious feelings request
          Way of the Samurai
          "always leads to death" (C) belay
          1. 0
            4 August 2021 17: 08
            Better ethyl alcohol. True, now you can get it only in a veterinary pharmacy.
  2. +17
    3 August 2021 19: 41
    The photo of the engine itself:


    1. +12
      3 August 2021 20: 02
      In general, the Orlan-10 from the Russian manufacturer contains only the body and the MNP-M7 navigation receiver. And that one was created on the basis of the ADSP-BF534 microcircuit of the American company Analog Devices. The rest of the components: GPS tracker, starter generator, engine, ignition module, flight controller, telemetry transmission module and GPS module were produced in the USA, Germany, Japan, China and other countries.
      1. +28
        3 August 2021 20: 36
        I think - if you disassemble the UAVs of any other country, even the USA, you will also find many interesting details .. From Malay microcircuits to Chinese engines ..
        1. +21
          3 August 2021 21: 03
          Bayraktar VT2
          Engine - Rotex (Austrian-Canadian company Bombardier)
          GPS0 receiver - Trimble Navigation USA
          Fuel Pumps - Andair Precision Alcraft Components UK
          Gyroscope - Northtrop Grumman USA
          Chassis brake system - Berlington USA, UK
          Optical Detection and Illumination System - Wescan Canada
          goals
          Navigation Coordinator Receiver - Garmin USA
          Air-to-surface missile guidance heads - Turkey (licensed by a German company)
          1. +15
            3 August 2021 21: 09
            And this is quite natural - the UAV is actually a consumable, accordingly - it should be as cheap as possible. If you do everything yourself - it will turn out gold .. But of its own type. Is it necessary? No - of course, it is necessary to strive for autarky in military production, but the price tag must also be taken into account, the budget is not rubber. And to be honest, this will not work for the current Russian Federation, only the Soviet Union was capable of completely producing its own ...

            We were already incredibly lucky - the most powerful industry inherited from the USSR besides galoshes, and in many respects we do not need imports. So that the native guarantor does not carry it there. And then, after all, some countries even have ammunition - and then they are forced to buy abroad, not to mention more complex equipment ..
            1. -4
              3 August 2021 22: 12
              It turns out that any UAV can be very easily neutralized, including the Russian one ... All operating parameters, communication channels, controllers, everything is typical and well-known ... But how to fight in this case ... It turns out that our generals are the smartest, failing the introduction of UAVs? In this case, are such UAVs only for war with guerrillas or terrorists?
              1. +4
                3 August 2021 22: 18
                Well - I think that serious countries still put their own communication and guidance equipment ... Well - or, in extreme cases, made on special order.
              2. +5
                4 August 2021 00: 00
                Moreover, the physics and principles of work are also known). And in fact, if there are no tabs in the controllers and communication modules, then with proper implementation using modern cryptography, it will not be easy to neutralize.
              3. -1
                4 August 2021 10: 39
                . It turns out that our generals are the smartest, failing the introduction of UAVs?

                Did the Armenians in Karabakh manage to neutralize many UAVs knowing about their stuffing?
                1. -2
                  4 August 2021 13: 36
                  Some semi-partisans fought against others, how to neutralize? And in theory, Azerbaijan fought against illegal formations on its territory in Karabakh, which were supported by the Armenians ...
                  This stuffing could not be neutralized even at the Russian base in Armenia, they just sit there ... You noticed that ordinary Russian units on the periphery do not know how, they have nothing for modern warfare, they are not trained ... role: to die heroically for your country, as in 41 ... And a demonstration war, as in Syria, is organized from above at the expense of temporary non-service funds in one, well, two places at most ...
                  1. +1
                    4 August 2021 13: 58
                    “You noticed that ordinary Russian units on the periphery do not know how, they have nothing for modern warfare, they are not trained ...” Did you invent this nonsense yourself or read it where?
                  2. 0
                    4 August 2021 22: 01
                    Quote: Volkof
                    They could not neutralize this stuffing even at the Russian base in Armenia, they just sit there .... You noticed that ordinary Russian units on the periphery do not know how, they have nothing for modern warfare, they are not trained ... role: to die heroically for your country, as in 41 ...

                    It got stuck in thee, bratello !!! laughing Don't bzdi, Kapustin, you will ... wash it and let you go! laughing
            2. +2
              3 August 2021 22: 19
              But his type. Is it necessary?

              IT is very necessary ... this is to ensure the creation of their own industry, jobs, the development of their own technologies, since the Soviets have lost.
              1. +1
                3 August 2021 22: 22
                I agree. But - if you have already loved your own, and the products are desperately needed right now? Comrade Stalin, too, was not embarrassed by the purchase of Western technologies and equipment?
              2. 0
                5 August 2021 07: 04
                The drone itself is a high-tech product, but the parts for it are a mass readily available "consumer goods". Taking into account that the drone should be massive and cheap, and it is better yesterday than the day after tomorrow - to buy 10 thousand sets of cheap spare parts while there is an opportunity for that, and then riveting is simply advisable. You will only have to master the release "when it presses", and if it "presses".
            3. +2
              4 August 2021 03: 30
              The USSR, in the same Japan, bought machines for military needs!

              So that the native guarantor does not carry it there.

              And what is he talking about?
            4. 0
              4 August 2021 14: 16
              If you produce everything yourself, it will turn out gold ...

              If there is a war, it will not be gold, and even platinum will not be. It won't be there at all. Military equipment should be exclusively and only domestic.
              1. 0
                5 August 2021 07: 13
                If you have Chinese or German shock absorbers in your nine, what will the end of the world happen? Will the Rossiyushka collapse?
                No. Will not collapse. And then it will stand, and does not budge))))
                The fact that in the Second World War some of our tankers drove a "Lend-Lease", on Studers (and by the way, this chassis was objectively better than the Lorry), "Katyusha" rocket launchers were installed (not all, but some), brought the victory closer or pushed back ???
            5. +1
              4 August 2021 22: 05
              Quote: paul3390
              So that the native guarantor does not carry it there.

              Well, what he carries in his position, you will not be able to lift, even if you fart loudly!
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        2. -1
          3 August 2021 22: 22
          Quote: paul3390
          I think - if you disassemble the UAVs of any other country, even the USA, you will also find many interesting details .. From Malay microcircuits to Chinese engines ..

          But we will not find the details produced in the Russian Federation.
          1. +11
            3 August 2021 22: 23
            On the other hand, we will find, for example, Soviet rocket engines on American Atlases ..
          2. +11
            4 August 2021 01: 05
            Quote: Karabin
            Here are just parts produced in the Russian Federation we will not find


            in every Boeing and airbus produced there are parts made in Russia.
        3. 0
          4 August 2021 14: 14
          I think - if you disassemble the UAVs of any other country, even the USA, you will also find many interesting details there.

          Will there be Russian components there? Or any other country that the US considers the enemy?
          1. 0
            5 August 2021 07: 20
            Why should Russia help the United States to arm itself? This is our enemy)))
            Although if you think about it, there will be parts made of aluminum, titanium ... Polymers from our raw materials ...
      2. +2
        3 August 2021 23: 52
        For UAVs, this is not so critical, especially since they are needed here and now, as for your army you can also export them.
  3. +5
    3 August 2021 19: 45
    After all, it turns out that manufacturers of dual-use products from Japan do not know which end consumer it will go to.
    They are going to fight with a certain country, with Russia in this case - let them not sell anything at all. It's simple - you can use anything in war.

    So after all, you can agree to anything. For example, do not sell balloons to America - after all, they can be put on the heads of Guantanamo prisoners during torture by suffocation ...
    1. 0
      3 August 2021 22: 10
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      They are going to fight with a certain country, with Russia in this case - let them not sell anything at all ...

      So when they get together, they will stop selling, even spare parts.
      1. +8
        3 August 2021 22: 35
        Quote: Beringovsky
        So when they get together, they will stop selling, even spare parts.

        And now they don't seem to want to fight. Even for the Kuril Islands. Everyone is trying to refute their own head of the Japanese delegation at the Russian-Japanese negotiations on the conclusion of the Portsmouth Peace Treaty of 1905, Yutaro Komuru, who did not know that after 100 years his descendants would demand the islands, otherwise he would not have blurted out without thinking
        “The war cancels out all agreements. You were defeated, and let's proceed from the current situation. "
        However, another Tabaki raised a belligerent yelp even before the fight.

        I understand perfectly well that the conjectures of Ukrainian volunteers or some "expert" are not the position of the government and, moreover, of corporations. But overton's Window was already knocked on the sly ...

        And, by the way, an ordinary nut can be screwed on a corn harvester, or on a tank. Is the М16 nut a dual-use product?
      2. 0
        3 August 2021 22: 45
        And they will stop buying undemocratic oil and gas.
    2. +1
      4 August 2021 06: 24
      War is a kind of business. I believe that you have heard a lot about the cooperation of American and German corporations during the Second World War. And even children know how we had trains with oil during the Chechen war (an obvious connection between bandits and oligarchs).
  4. -2
    3 August 2021 19: 49
    So far, yes. Therefore, they began to develop their engines so that later they would not depend on anyone.
    1. -8
      3 August 2021 20: 18
      And where will they get the components for these engines?
      1. +1
        3 August 2021 20: 19
        Produce yourself. Now we are developing engines for several UAVs at once.
  5. -4
    3 August 2021 19: 56
    Better to buy cameras from Asians ..
    1. +14
      3 August 2021 20: 18
      As for the cameras, the latest news of import substitution for Orlan-10. Kazan "Electropribor" entered the program together with the Moscow "Radix", undertaking to localize the optoelectronic system. The partner supplied microcircuits, on the basis of which the optoelectronic system was formed - the "fundus" for "Orlan-10". Investigators of the Federal Security Service of the Republic of Tatarstan suspected the manufacturer of unjustifiably overstating the selling prices - the Moscow supplier of the Chinese IES shipped them to Kazan residents without obligatory work of its own, while Elektropribor received them at an inflated price and shipped them down the chain to the finishing manufacturer. Preliminary damage 456 million rubles. During the investigation, Pavel Shatskikh, General Director of OJSC Kazan Plant Electropribor, will remain in custody until November 8, 2021.
  6. +9
    3 August 2021 20: 06
    Well, good engines. So are you in favor of globalism? Well, don't sell them to anyone. Well, just about, and we will manage to build engines for models. The same thing is. If you can buy as much as you need, we will buy it without any problems. And they will begin to insert sticks into the wheels ... We will copy and release them.
    1. -17
      3 August 2021 20: 19
      You can and can copy it, but they will not work normally.
      1. +11
        3 August 2021 20: 34
        Quote: Keen100
        You can copy it and you can, but they will not work normally.

        And why is that? To me, too, Newton's binomial is a small-sized internal combustion engine. You shouldn't jump so much ... For a cost-effective mass production in Russia there is not enough market capacity. And to release several hundred for the needs of the Ministry of Defense in small batches is not a problem at all. Especially when there are samples.
        1. -7
          3 August 2021 22: 02
          Here, you can immediately see a great specialist. Do you know at least one brand of steel, specialist?
          How many productions are behind you?
          1. +9
            3 August 2021 22: 11
            Quote: Beringovsky
            Here, you can immediately see a great specialist. Do you know at least one brand of steel, specialist?
            How many productions behind shoulders

            On my avatar there is a device of MY production (and development) ... of the world level. Patents and all that. Show yours?
            So I know what I'm talking about. Having machining centers, electronics and carte blanche from the customer, to organize the production of 40 cm3 of 4-stroke engines - well, 6 months for everything about everything. Still to collect test stands, to pick up materials. hi
            Smooth, there is something to copy.
            1. -3
              3 August 2021 22: 27
              You know, I myself designed and made multi-sided machines, so I can tell the spindle from the axle box.
              Collect production - you will be tortured to swallow dust. I did. On some specialists you will tear all your nerves. In general, if in the course, then there is no need to explain.
              And in general, production is not about putting a couple of OTs on the site.
              1. +7
                3 August 2021 22: 37
                Quote: Beringovsky
                And in general, production is not a couple of OTs on the site to deliver

                I collect the most complex installations. And production is well established. Why argue ...
                1. -5
                  3 August 2021 22: 47
                  Here it is, established. Try to fix something new.
                  And there really is nothing to argue about. If you have money for this, then of course you can do it, there will be enough knowledge, good metalworkers are not extinct here. Only this will cost a pretty penny and how much effort it will take. What can I say.
                  1. +7
                    3 August 2021 23: 29
                    Quote: Beringovsky
                    Here it is, established. Try new things

                    That's how I set it up. wassat
        2. -3
          3 August 2021 22: 03
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          And why is that? To me, too, Newton's binomial is a small-sized internal combustion engine. Don't jump so much ...

          It's easy to grind with language, let's tell us how easy it is to make your own engine for the same Orion, over which several companies have been struggling for almost a dozen years and only recently something has become clear. Something didn't work out so easily to copy either Rotax or RED, maybe your knowledge was not enough there?
          1. +7
            3 August 2021 22: 21
            Quote: JD1979
            It's easy to grind with your tongue, let's tell us how easy it is to make your own engine for the same Orion, over which several companies have been beating for almost a dozen years.

            It is not necessary to be rude. It was impossible to copy engines for a number of reasons. Legal protection, licenses, international patent law. Therefore, it is difficult to develop a NEW engine, bypassing the restrictions ... Well, if these restrictions ... are ignored, then it is not difficult to copy the mechanics. And with our knowledge of materials science and understanding - what we are doing, it will certainly work out better than the Chinese.
            1. -4
              3 August 2021 23: 24
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              Well, if these restrictions are ... ignored, then copying the mechanics is not difficult. And with our knowledge of materials science and understanding - what we are doing, it will certainly work out better than the Chinese.

              The Chinese copied and pasted everything 20 years ago, but now look at China, take at least the auto industry, the space program, weapons, electronics.
              With such rates of their development and our being in a stable swamp with a negative growth of all indicators, incl. population, I'm afraid that we will lag behind them forever.
            2. +1
              4 August 2021 11: 31
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              To me, Newton's binomial - a small-sized internal combustion engine. Don't jump so much ...

              1. Conclusion - easy.
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              It was impossible to copy engines for a number of reasons. Legal protection, licenses, international patent law. Therefore, it is difficult to develop a NEW engine, bypassing the restrictions ...

              2. Conclusion - difficult
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              Well, if these restrictions are ... ignored, then copying the mechanics is not difficult.

              3. Conclusion - not difficult / easy
              I still do not understand so hard or easy, or is Newton to blame? Have you organized at least one production from scratch or so to speak for life?
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              And with our knowledge of materials science and understanding - what we are doing, it will certainly work out better than the Chinese.

              I'm not sure that we are now bypassing China in materials science, in terms of the nomenclature we are just inferior. It will be all the more difficult to catch up with the United States and Europe in some areas.
              1. -1
                4 August 2021 12: 13
                Quote: JD1979
                Have you organized at least one production from scratch or so to speak for life?

                I just got it organized. And not just one. And you? Why are you so boldly criticizing a stranger?
                1. -1
                  4 August 2021 14: 42
                  Quote: Mountain Shooter
                  I just got it organized. And not just one. And you? Why are you so boldly criticizing a stranger?

                  I also took an active part in this from the beginning to the end) I criticize it, because I cannot keep track of the direction of your thought, it is constantly changing)) Well, before actually organizing, you actually need the engine itself, which is not there. And over similar engines only of a larger dimension, for how many years specialists have been fighting and with the appropriate base and materials, only something they do not add up to binomial for some motors. So something is not so easy for me there, the Chinese over there can confirm))) Already having such a base, administrative resource and motivated staff, and they have the same problems with copying (this is with their experience of redirecting everything and everything) and with the actual release.
                2. 0
                  5 August 2021 19: 57
                  What kind of innovative production are you organizing? Engines?
                  1. 0
                    6 August 2021 12: 00
                    Quote: serviceman.
                    What kind of innovative production are you organizing? Engines?

                    Quite complicated. At the level of GTE production. Only the words WHAT INNOVATIVE are written SO hi
    2. +12
      3 August 2021 20: 52
      It’s interesting - all the countries in the world buy something for the military unit behind the cordon. Even the USA with Europa. Some are more, some less - but they buy one devil. And only from Russia, for some reason, they angrily demand that it produce absolutely everything only by itself. Why is that so?

      Not - Comrade Stalin was absolutely right when he said - you have to have your own! But why bring this to the point of absurdity, especially in our current rather sad realities?
      1. -1
        3 August 2021 22: 31
        I support your indignation, but ...

        And only from Russia, for some reason, they angrily demand that it produce absolutely everything only by itself. Why is that so?

        maybe because there are no friends and allies ... there are not even dependent states ...

        and the realities are sad, they became even more dependent on the latest technologies, if the USSR stubbornly tried to catch up by any means, and sometimes overtook, but now ... I agree Sadly (
    3. -5
      3 August 2021 22: 16
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Well, just about, and we will manage to build engines for models. The same thing is

      What have you failed to do so far? And not only for models. All motor small things (walk-behind tractors, trimmers, etc.) are imports, automotive engines - more than half of imports, marine engines, aviation - also an indecent percentage of imports. This is without taking into account localized production.
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      If you can buy as much as you need - we will buy without problems

      This is if there is something to buy and if they sell. If it still works with the Eagles, then with the fact that it is not more complicated. Let's recall the problems with composites for MC-21 and avionics for super-duper.
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      We will copy and release.

      Not with the current industrial policy.
      1. +2
        3 August 2021 22: 43
        automotive engines - more than half of imports - In general, our customers want an open market, they put Damlerovskie Ivekovskie Kamens, but they also install Kmazovskie YMZs, again the client's choice.
        Let's recall the problems with composites for MC-21 and avionics for super-duper. This problem was solved in a short time.
        "Not with the current industrial policy." Are you laughing? Yes, even tomorrow you can start producing them even at my facilities, most of the parts can already be printed on industrial 3D printers - the main condition is that foreign manufacturers of such engines would be dumped from the domestic market.
        1. -6
          3 August 2021 23: 16
          Quote: Vadim237
          Yes, even tomorrow we can start producing them even at my facilities, most of the parts can already be printed on industrial 3D printers - the main condition is that foreign manufacturers of such engines would be dumped from the domestic market.

          So start tomorrow, report on the implementation the day after tomorrow.
          1. +2
            4 August 2021 07: 02
            Quote: Stroporez
            So start tomorrow, report on the implementation the day after tomorrow

            Pay! And let's get started ... It is clear that a piece production will not cost 100 tr. thing. Ready?
            So the MO thinks the same way. As long as you can buy it CHEAP, we will buy it ... Surely, the mobilization stock of engines was also purchased in the warehouse ... Well, this is how the Ministry of Defense works. According to the standards.
            And if they press sales, there WILL be time to set up production. As with composites for MS-21 for example. They wanted to "cut off our oxygen" - but got it? And so in everything.
            1. -1
              4 August 2021 09: 27
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              So the MO thinks the same way. As long as you can buy it CHEAP, we will buy it ... Surely, the mobilization stock of engines was also purchased in the warehouse ... Well, this is how the Ministry of Defense works. According to the standards.
              And if they press sales, there WILL be time to set up production. As with composites for MS-21 for example. They wanted to "cut off our oxygen" - but got it? And so in everything.

              I am glad that everything is going according to plan, a very cunning plan, besides, I think that the channels for purchases will remain, and the Ali-express platform is not going to be closed yet, so the line of netanalogavnetics will develop. good laughing
              I sincerely wish you every success! Yes fellow
              1. 0
                4 August 2021 09: 40
                Quote: Stroporez
                I sincerely wish you every success

                Wish for yourself! Every success ... In cultivating hatred and disdain for the country in which you live ... What do you know about the REAL state of affairs in the military-industrial complex? What do you know about industrial science in Russia? So - cut the lines. The person lying on the ground does not need a parachute ...
                1. +1
                  4 August 2021 10: 19
                  Quote: Mountain Shooter
                  What do you know about the REAL state of affairs in the military-industrial complex? What do you know about industrial science in Russia?

                  Why are you "fuming"? smile All achievements are clearly expressed in the "robot fedor" and in the "science" module.
                  Unfortunately, all our achievements have remained in our glorious socialist past, from which today's leaders draw, like from a bottomless barrel, resources, ideas and developments. Only this legacy will soon end and there will be absolutely nothing to brag about.
                  1. 0
                    4 August 2021 11: 30
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    Why are you "fuming"? All achievements are clearly expressed in the "robot fedor" and in the module "science"

                    What about the robot "Fedor", what about "Science" do you know? Even in different media, information is different. And the level of journalism now is ... In general, a bad level. Irresponsible catching "ducks".
                    The USSR has been gone for 30 years. For a long time there has been no one to dig up tons of paper drawings and translate them into numbers. And you are all singing an old song about how it was then, but now nothing at all ... It is unrealistic to repeat the then developments for a number of TECHNICAL reasons. But you will not understand this, because you do not "cook" in it.
                    1. -1
                      4 August 2021 22: 39
                      Quote: Mountain Shooter
                      It is unrealistic to repeat the then developments for a number of TECHNICAL reasons. But you will not understand this, because you do not "cook" in it.

                      Tell me, are you retired?
                      1. 0
                        5 August 2021 02: 47
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        Tell me, are you retired?

                        I work.
                  2. 0
                    4 August 2021 13: 52
                    Unfortunately, all our achievements have remained in our glorious socialist past. The share of you and everything remains "Only this legacy will soon end and there will be absolutely nothing to brag about." Do not worry - it ended back in the 90s, it was then that everything was plundered and taken away by Russia now, after 20 years, it creates everything from scratch, since you can't go anywhere on the old one.
                    1. -1
                      4 August 2021 22: 39
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Russia now, after 20 years, is creating everything from scratch, since you can't go anywhere on the old one.

                      Tell me at least 3 positions, otherwise I only get scam and palm oil products.
                      1. 0
                        5 August 2021 02: 49
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        Tell me at least 3 positions, otherwise I only get scam and palm oil products

                        Check out the customs statistics on the import of palm oil to Russia, and calm down already ...
  7. -14
    3 August 2021 20: 16
    And where did they think the Russian military industry takes components? Incomprehensible surprise.
    1. +6
      3 August 2021 22: 45
      1500 enterprises of the military-industrial complex and tens of thousands of subcontractors.
  8. +18
    3 August 2021 20: 36
    And the Japanese are not worried about the double (gantruck chassis and jihadmobile with TNT) use of Toyota pickups?
    1. +19
      3 August 2021 21: 00
      In 2015, UN representatives made a request to the Toyota leadership about the use of their machines by terrorists. But the directorate of the auto concern said that it had nothing to do with the militants and did not know at all how the cars fell into the hands of the militants. But they were able to point out the alleged supply chains, most of which were tied to Saudi Arabia. However, Toyota representatives said they would not cooperate with the UN, which plans to launch an investigation into these supplies.
      To date, it is known that no investigation has been carried out.
  9. +4
    3 August 2021 20: 55
    * Russia successfully uses foreign dual-use products in its military equipment. In particular, Russian UAVs fly on Japanese engines. *
    Duck, absolutely everyone does it. Chi is not news.
    And the Americans fly into space (parasites) on Russian motors. Now what? ..
    Russia is just as successful in getting enemy engines into the ships.
    But we will not tell anyone about this.
  10. +7
    3 August 2021 21: 05
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    Engines are taken from aliexpress. Then they become Orthodox. Import substitution is like that.
    Well, on BRP quadras from Canadians some elements and design. Even the Taiwanese TGB transmission. The cat also has a Suzuki engine! Both are purchased by the USA & Canada Ministry of Defense. They have the same "highly spiritual Austrian Rotax" as the UAVs of Israel! But this is something else they can do.
  11. +2
    3 August 2021 21: 07
    Quote: paul3390
    It’s interesting - all the countries in the world buy something for the military unit behind the cordon. Even the USA with Europa. Some are more, some less - but they buy one devil. And only from Russia, for some reason, they angrily demand that it produce absolutely everything only by itself. Why is that so?

    Not - Comrade Stalin was absolutely right when he said - you have to have your own! But why bring this to the point of absurdity, especially in our current rather sad realities?

    Exactly .
    1. -6
      3 August 2021 22: 07
      How exactly?
      In the event of a conflict, they will not send us new ones, and they will not send them to the old spare parts either. Where do you offer to get? Is there a magic wand?
      1. +7
        3 August 2021 22: 08
        Are you sure that you are directing your podgarany to the addressee in the MO?
  12. -3
    3 August 2021 21: 50
    well, maybe they use imported stuffing ... but in fact ... you need to switch completely to your components, otherwise then there will be an ambush again, and the generals' faces will wipe the sweat and tell them that they don't know how it happened ...
  13. +4
    3 August 2021 22: 09
    Quote: Beringovsky
    How exactly?
    In the event of a conflict, they will not send us new ones, and they will not send them to the old spare parts either. Where do you offer to get? Is there a magic wand?

    You can arrange the production of such engines and offer them to the RF Ministry of Defense.
    1. -3
      3 August 2021 22: 54
      You can purchase through offshore companies.
  14. +3
    3 August 2021 23: 02
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    In general, the Orlan-10 from the Russian manufacturer contains only the body and the MNP-M7 navigation receiver. And that one was created on the basis of the ADSP-BF534 microcircuit of the American company Analog Devices. The rest of the components: GPS tracker, starter generator, engine, ignition module, flight controller, telemetry transmission module and GPS module were produced in the USA, Germany, Japan, China and other countries.

    Pour us even more of these ukrnazi tales lol
  15. +5
    3 August 2021 23: 04
    Quote: Karabin
    Quote: paul3390
    I think - if you disassemble the UAVs of any other country, even the USA, you will also find many interesting details .. From Malay microcircuits to Chinese engines ..

    But we will not find the details produced in the Russian Federation.

    And we will also find in the F-35 all the signs of the Yak-201 project, destroyed by the Americans "Yakovlev Design Bureau"
    1. -3
      3 August 2021 23: 11
      Quote: Protos
      And we will also find in the F-35 all the signs of the Yak-201 project, destroyed by the Americans "Yakovlev Design Bureau"

      Are you firmly convinced that the Americans did it?
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  17. +3
    4 August 2021 00: 58
    Khidani is worried about this. After all, it turns out that manufacturers of dual-use products from Japan do not know which end consumer it will go to.


    The Japanese and other foreign manufacturers, on the contrary, should be happy with the use of their products in Russian drones, because the longer they use their products in Russia, the longer they will have a sales market, otherwise they can be left as Motor Sich without the main buyer and sales market in the person of Ukraine.
    As for Russia, we need to be upset that we are dependent on foreign engines and this dependence was created by the very "effective managers" who actually destroyed in the 90s the production of small-capacity equipment ("gas" mopeds, gasoline bicycles, mopeds) and, accordingly, engines to him.

    But the decision to develop new piston engines has already been made.
    https://ria.ru/20210205/dron-1596104487.html
  18. 0
    4 August 2021 01: 06
    50% of the samurai economy runs on RUSSIAN gas and energy .... what to do? maybe an embargo?
  19. 0
    4 August 2021 13: 05
    Quote: Volkof
    our generals are the smartest, failing the introduction of UAVs

    For the "failure of the UAV" at the present time, you can get it not in a dezzy way ...
    1. -1
      4 August 2021 18: 04
      If schoolchildren in the USSR made two-stroke engines in model aircraft circles, then probably as adults they can assemble an engine for a UAV without the help of Japan.
      1. +1
        5 August 2021 08: 46
        I could, but for some reason they don't. I have long said that in the development of UAVs, Russia already remains even from that Turkey. There is no medium-sized private business that could drag the development of UAV components. In Russia, now only one company produces small jet engines for UAVs: this is Igor Negoda in his garage.
  20. 0
    4 August 2021 18: 26
    Yes, Lord, let you put ours on the conveyor! You won't be enough!
  21. 0
    5 August 2021 08: 24
    Well, imported, so what? A subject for pride for the Japanese? All countries trade something with each other.
  22. 0
    5 August 2021 08: 43
    And where are these comrades who are so fond of talking about Turkish UAVs packed to capacity with imported components? By the way, in the same Orlan-10, almost all the main components except the airframe are imported.

    Wouldn't hurt some already to land.
  23. 0
    5 August 2021 15: 29
    And why I don't know a single Japanese world class champion with their vaunted engines. And those who became champions, either brought these engines from different manufacturers, or made them themselves. Casting, thermal and mechanical treatment, and even the chemical composition of the materials used.
  24. -1
    21 August 2021 21: 26
    Quote: lopvlad
    Khidani is worried about this. After all, it turns out that manufacturers of dual-use products from Japan do not know which end consumer it will go to.


    The Japanese and other foreign manufacturers, on the contrary, should be happy with the use of their products in Russian drones, because the longer they use their products in Russia, the longer they will have a sales market, otherwise they can be left as Motor Sich without the main buyer and sales market in the person of Ukraine.
    As for Russia, we need to be upset that we are dependent on foreign engines and this dependence was created by the very "effective managers" who actually destroyed in the 90s the production of small-capacity equipment ("gas" mopeds, gasoline bicycles, mopeds) and, accordingly, engines to him.
    But the decision to develop new piston engines has already been made.
    https://ria.ru/20210205/dron-1596104487.html

    Well, we ourselves can turn to Rotax. Is Subaru still producing aircraft engines for the American Lycoming? You can also go to Mazda - turn to rotors.
    And so the Japs are completely strange stupid. Themselves raised the prices to the skies, and the quality has long been not the same, Toyota Mark2. Themselves, for a handful of components from China and Taiwan, they want money, as for the top-end products of the lines. And also a scam with a crooked software, a bunch of reservations in guarantees. Who is to blame for the fact that instead of overdressed Toshiba products, smart people take Gnusmas and Lyzha, or even China.

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