Poland took seriously the strengthening of its tank forces

Another two tank The Leopard 2PL was handed over to the Polish army the day before. At the moment, under the contract for the modernization of the Leopard 2A4 to the 2PL version, 18 vehicles have already been delivered. The main contractor, the consortium Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa, announced this yesterday.

The aforementioned agreement for the "alteration" of 128 obsolete Leopard 2A4 was signed by Warsaw back in 2015. The contractors were the Polish companies PGZ and Zakłady Mechaniczne "BUMAR-ŁABĘDY" SA, cooperating with the German concern Rheinmetall Defense. The total cost of the work at that time was 2,4 billion zlotys.

Later, in 2018, an addendum to the contract was signed, providing for the modernization of another 14 tanks worth 300 million zlotys (about 78 million dollars). As a result, all 142 Leopard 2A4s in service with the Polish Armed Forces fell under the program.

It is worth noting that initially the deliveries of the upgraded machines were planned to be completed this year. However, another amendment was made to the current contract in 2019. As a result, the completion date has shifted to the end of 2023, and their total cost amounted to 3,29 billion zlotys.

The main goal of the modernization of the Leopard 2A4 in service with Poland to the 2PL version is to increase the firepower and protection of the combat vehicle, as well as to ensure the most comfortable work of the crew. In particular, as part of an increase in firepower, it was decided to replace the hydraulic stabilization systems of the gun and the turret drive with electric ones, and the Rh-120 L44 smoothbore gun was adapted for modern types of ammunition.

It is worth noting that Poland has taken seriously the strengthening of its tank forces. So, literally last month, Warsaw made the final decision on the purchase of 250 units of American M1A2 Abrams tanks.

Comments

[Alexander 3]

Yes, but how zombified polyakov.Na Poles who is attacking? Maybe the Poles want to attack? Banderlog infected the Poles with a virus. Treatment for this virus is voluntary self-isolation.

[Slon_on]

Phantom pains in the "Rzecz Pospolita from Mozha to Mozha" do not give rest to the Polish Dupe ... until the next section.

[avib]

Quote: Alexander 3

Is someone attacking the Poles?

Who in 2014 thought that ichtamnets would come to Ukraine and wrest Crimea? Absolutely nobody!
Now "You can no longer be sure of anything" and "Better to be overlooked than to be overlooked."
So the Poles seem to be like that, just in case. Although of course it costs money. But as Napoleon Bonaparte said or did not say: "The people who do not want to feed their army will soon be forced to feed someone else's."

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: avib

Who in 2014 thought that ichtamnets would come to Ukraine

The Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation is located in Crimea, twenty thousand people. Do you really think that this amount would not have been enough in 2014, so you had to relocate the drugs from somewhere else?

[avib]

Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich

Quote: avib

Who in 2014 thought that ichtamnets would come to Ukraine

The Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation is located in Crimea, twenty thousand people. Do you really think that this amount would not have been enough in 2014, so you had to relocate the drugs from somewhere else?

It was allegorical if you didn't get it. There, and 3 thousand would be enough. No one even thought to resist - no one just could not believe it that something happened.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: avib

no one just could not believe it

That the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation could be locked up in Novorossiysk and Russia, thereby, would actually lose the Black Sea.
So the choice was not great, and whoever did not understand this could only wash the toilets.

[avib]

What was was was was. What happened has already happened and time cannot be turned back. Now there are corresponding realities with which to live. The question was was it worth it? Everyone has their own answer to this question.

[Andrey VOV]

And your answer to this question, was it worth it or not?

[avib]

Quote: Andrey VOV

And your answer to this question, was it worth it or not?

It's complicated. I look from the side.
In principle, in recent history, this is a precedent when one country takes territory from another without a war. This has not happened yet. The population of Crimea is certainly Russian-speaking and gravitates towards Russia. I will not discuss the referendum that took place in Crimea in 2014 - this is a profanity and does not meet any standards, but I am sure that in 2014 the majority of the population of Crimea was in favor of the "transition" to Russia.
We have to look at the pros and cons.
Pros: (in my opinion there are not many of them). At that time (2014), the Russian president managed, on a wave of patriotism, to raise his rating and consolidate the people around him, his power. From a military point of view, Crimea allows Russia to control the Black Sea. Russian tourists in Crimea leave their money in Russia and not in Ukraine. Well, in general, these are all the advantages that I see.
There are more cons. Sanctions and counter-sanctions. Russia has turned into a world outcast and is closing in on itself more and more. Import substitution was not entirely successful. Russia was cut off from world financial flows and new technologies. In the long run, this is a disaster. the country does not have a developed technological base. Money is still being withdrawn from the country (even the president does not deny this), but there is practically no reverse flow - investments from abroad. I don’t know how much Ukraine was a brotherly country to Russia seven years ago, but certainly not an enemy. Now it is a bitter enemy. The younger generation of Ukrainians does not perceive Russians and Russia in a positive way. It is no longer possible to change this. To break is not to build. The gamble in the Donbass, which is now in a stalemate incomprehensible situation, only aggravated everything. Donbass is an ulcer on the body of Ukraine, but Russia is also deeply stuck there. I ran through the article of the President of the Russian Federation that Ukrainians and Russians are one people. I do not know how anyone perceived it, but it seemed to me such a beginning of preparations for the annexation of Ukraine by Russia. Preparing public opinion. Moreover, in Russia there is now a very tense social situation (except for Moscow and St. Petersburg) - the real incomes of people are steadily falling and soon the refrigerator will begin to prevail over the TV. The authorities will need to consolidate the people around them. Annexing Ukraine is a war. I doubt very much that Russian soldiers will be greeted with bread and salt. Additional sanctions are guaranteed and the Russian economy will not be able to pull it off.
This is how, "against the background of full health," we have reached an almost very probable war, in which Russia will have no allies. Even Belarus will not be able to support Russia (although Lukashenka is certainly capable of anything). In short, the prospects are not bright. Was the "return of Crimea to its native harbor" worth all these problems? In my opinion, it was not worth it. Someone miscalculated something.

[NKT]

What is the standard for holding a referendum? Probably Kosovo or the Falkland Islands?

The people wanted to secede from the handful of Bandera who carried out a coup and held a referendum, although it could have been done by a simple vote of Crimean deputies. Then there was the proclamation of independence and a request to be admitted to the Russian Federation. Everything was done impeccably from a legal point of view, which is why squeals are heard from all sides, smearing of snot with muttering stereotyped phrases - "this is different", annexation, aggression, etc.

Well, the people of Crimea do not want and have never wanted to be a part of Ukraine, especially Bandera. And what now, the "democratic countries of the world" want to push him there by force?

[avib]

That's okay. May sho may.
It is done. Now let's see what happens next. I personally do not see anything good in the future. Which is unfortunate.

[Andrey VOV]

Admit it, and you are a citizen of which country ??

[avib]

Middle Eastern.

[Petro_tut]

The Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation can be locked in Novorossiysk and Russia, thereby, in fact, would have lost the Black Sea.

If you look more closely at the globe, you will see that in fact Russia is locked everywhere and only the Pacific Fleet can have operational space.
And if you look at the internal political component, then you will not see any prospects for the development of the Far East, there are no prerequisites for attracting the population to the Far East, the entire population is being drawn to Moscow and St. Petersburg, nearby, so to speak, to the Rublevsky and Ozerkovsky dachas ...

[carstorm 11]

Any normal person understood that in case of any inclinations towards the base of the Black Sea Fleet, there would be a collision of interests on a global scale.

[Incomprehensible]

Quote: avib

But as Napoleon Bonaparte said or did not say: "A people who do not want to feed their army will soon be forced to feed someone else's."

It does not apply to Poland ... This country is already feeding someone else's army, even the army ... (NATO)

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: avib

Who in 2014 thought that ichtamnets would come to Ukraine and wrest Crimea?

Everyone who remembered the graters with Ukraine in the Kerch Strait, the participation of Ukrainian Natsiks in the conflicts in the Balkans and the Caucasus, and about the "section" of the Black Sea Fleet. Everything went to this - just no one knew when it would explode.

[smart ass]

And why do the Poles buy German tanks ??! They also have one of the best branches in the world of tanks)))

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Clever man

And why do the Poles buy German tanks ??! They also have one of the best branches in the world of tanks)))

They did not buy them .. They were presented with them ..

[smart ass]

Do strangers often give you something ?!

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Clever man

Do strangers often give you something ?!

So I'm not a Pole either.

In 2003-2004, as part of raising the combat effectiveness of the Polish army, the Leopard 2A4 tanks, which had previously been in service with the Bundeswehr, were transferred from Germany. The combat vehicles themselves were built around 1985-1987, so they could hardly be called new. However, Poland itself got them practically free of charge, since the Polish side paid only for the transportation of these machines to their country and de-mothballing. A total of 128 Leopard 2A4 and 10 BpZ 2 armored personnel carriers were delivered to the Polish army.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Namely, Poland itself is preparing for an attack on Belarus, Russia and Ukraine (not one, of course, but as part of a coalition), and therefore buys a large number of modern tanks and armored personnel carriers.

Poland is counting on the fact that Russia will to some extent repeat the fate of the USSR - it will decline and begin to disintegrate, under constant political and economic pressure, and the Poles want to snatch a piece for themselves.

The scenario has been worked out in Syria, not to the end, but still, part of the territory of Syria is now controlled by the Turks and the Americans.

And in order to stake out as much territory as possible, the Poles create large enough mechanized units.

And the screams about an attack by Russia are needed only to justify the cost of defense to the population.

Poland alone will have almost 400 Abrams and Leopards. This is a serious force.

[carstorm 11]

Yes, let him prepare at least until the second coming. And the point is not in the hat, but simply in the logic. Buying tanks not just of different types, but also of different countries is just stupidity. There are many difficulties with your own zoo, and there even matbaza is produced on different continents. Logistics and their service will explode the brain. You must have everything for at least a month of hostilities. They will collect this for years and I am still very optimistic. Ponty is also sycophancy.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I see no problems with the supply of the Abrams and Leopards.

Their ammunition is the same, the fuel is the same, and spare parts can be bought for future use and provide them with specific units for specific equipment.

Different tanks will serve in different units and there will be no confusion.

In Russia, tanks of different types and infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers are somehow repaired and nothing. And they won't have big problems with it.

And keep in mind that Poland is not going to go to war alone against us, but in coalition with the United States and other NATO countries and their sympathizers, starting with Georgia and ending with Japan.

They will not attack tomorrow, while they are economically strangling Russia, accumulating military potential, destroying our allies and waiting in the wings.

As soon as the United States has the ability to shoot down our ballistic missiles with a probability of close to 100%, they will attack.

So, one should not rely on strategic nuclear weapons. We must ensure our security with forces and means without taking into account the presence of nuclear weapons.

[parma]

Quote: Alexander 3

Yes, but how zombified polyakov.Na Poles who is attacking? Maybe the Poles want to attack? Banderlog infected the Poles with a virus. Treatment for this virus is voluntary self-isolation.

Hmm, knowledge 0, but how much propaganda and pathos ...
I don't see anything aggressive at all in this development of the Polish national armed forces ... for reference, leo 2a4 is a tank of the late 80s (the same age as our t72b, which we have been actively modernizing for 10 years), leo 2pl is his budget upgrade to about version a6 2001 years (there seems to be not a lot of difference) ... if you take all the Polish Armed Forces in tanks - 300 leo 2a4 / 5, 200 local analogue of the wounded T90, and a bunch of T72m, those new ones are tanks from the 90-00s, or 20 years ago ... in other words, quite normal work on the development of the Armed Forces.

[Ross xnumx]

Poland took seriously the strengthening of its tank forces

The main goal of the modernization of the Polish Leopard 2A4 to the 2PL version is to increase the firepower and protection of the combat vehicle, as well as ensuring the most comfortable work of the crew.

What is there to strengthen? Add a dog to each crew ...

[Andrey VOV]

Exactly ... True, this is how many shepherd dogs are needed

[Niko]

Quote: Alexander 3

Yes, but how zombified polyakov.Na Poles who is attacking? Maybe the Poles want to attack? Banderlog infected the Poles with a virus. Treatment for this virus is voluntary self-isolation.

It is interesting to observe how any comment from the "west" regarding the Russian army comes across the answer: "this is our business, that we want and do what we do." But as soon as someone in the west gives up at least a bicycle for repair, a cry about zombies and aggressive designs immediately rises.

[Yrec]

So many "Leopards" with "Abrams" for a week of intense battles, and then what? Virtually no new tanks are produced in Europe. It will not be possible to resume production in a short time. If my memory serves me, the full production cycle of the T-72 is 9 months, and this is the most technologically advanced tank of conveyor production.

[smart ass]

The storage of this good is apparently not visible, at least on the base under the ekat

[Uncle lee]

Warsaw made the final decision on the purchase of 250 units of American M1A2 Abrams tanks.

The Poles themselves asked, why? And they offered to limit ourselves to the T-34!

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Yrec

for a week of intense fighting, but what next?

A week ???!
Poland is part of NATO, which means it is not going to fight alone, which means the war will be global, which means everyone will die in half an hour.
Why have a stock for even a week?
Well, either as it was written above, when Russia collapses to have time to snatch a bigger piece for itself, but then there will be no battles at all, all the more intense.

[parma]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Quote: Yrec

for a week of intense fighting, but what next?

A week ???!
Poland is part of NATO, which means it is not going to fight alone, which means the war will be global, which means everyone will die in half an hour.
Why have a stock for even a week?
Well, either as it was written above, when Russia collapses to have time to snatch a bigger piece for itself, but then there will be no battles at all, all the more intense.

The stocks of our missiles from special warheads will not even be enough for the complete destruction of the United States, and you mean the whole world ...

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: parma

The stocks of our missiles from special warheads will not even be enough for the complete destruction of the United States, and you mean the whole world ...

This is not strategic enough for the United States.
And for the Poles tactical reserves are in store. That's enough for them.
Even if not everyone dies at once, they will definitely not be up to the continuation of the war.

[carstorm 11]

What is destruction? To level the mainland to the ground? So this is not necessary. The destruction of megacities will plunge the country into such wild chaos ... Orleans, remember. They could not bring drinking water for 4 days. Now imagine that it is all over the country.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: parma

The stocks of our missiles from special warheads will not even be enough for the complete destruction of the United States, and you mean the whole world ...

Will you destroy every farm? One warhead is enough for a city with a million inhabitants. And then the Mexicans and Negroes will come and finish the rest. Population. White. And they will plunder everything that has survived.

[tralflot1832]

Here's a place to attack with Abrashkin's weight, they seem to have found, the Smolensk corridor! And if Abrashkam retreats, is there where? Or immediately for scrap.

[orionvitt]

Poland took it seriously

Oh, okay. It's already scary. Let them strengthen, spend money, anyway, no one is afraid of her. All that Poland is capable of, for the last three hundred years, is quietly (sometimes loudly), shitting from under the pan.

[BMP-2]

"In response to the militaristic actions of Poland, Russia has begun testing a new forced navigation system, Susanin with you. The system works on the" fire and forget "principle."

[1536]

Yes, it is better for the Poles to play tanks than banditry in Europe.

[demiurg]

And why does Poland need such huge Armed Forces if it is unable to maintain them?
Eighty percent of the equipment, this is BMP-1, BM-21, Carnations, and other rarities. Air defense of the times of the seven-day war. Front-line aviation, wunder-waffle MI-2, with scanty splashes of Mi-8 and Mi-24. Air Force, 40 F-16 block 52 and then again rarities.
Ghulled chalk, cut in half, and could have great sun.

Fuck. Rummaged through Vick. Poland has 200000 people in the Ground Forces alone. The Russian Federation has 280000 (this is without the Airborne Forces, with the Airborne Forces +45000). Zerg Poles.

[sanya_sergant]

Poles want to jump out of their underpants, so that the ass is higher than the head.
Jumping.

[Gunther]

it is understandable when "Abrams", "Leclerks" and "Leopards" buy Qatariys, Emirates and Saudis swimming in petrodollars (show-offs are more expensive than money), but for plucked but proud Poland these pepelats are a suitcase without a handle, by the way, for our roads and bridges they are too heavy and useless for attack ("defense" from).
in addition to expensive MTO, they are ruining their "tank building", so the flag is in their hands)))