Awareness laws and covid vaccination

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Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov. He certainly has all the information about everything. Or at least should have it. Source: kremlin.ru

Trust in information, trust in government. Not so long ago, Roman Skomorokhov's article "Into a new world through vaccination?" ... He noted, and rightly so, that ... people do not believe, they doubt, and that words cannot convince them in any way.

And why not?



Because we have the experience of the Soviet era, when mass campaigns were going on in the country one after another. "All to Avtodor", "Komsomolets, to the glider, from the glider to the plane!" you won't leave. And you can trust the state only in the most extreme and obvious cases, because very often it, that is, our state, was admitted, let's say, in its dishonesty.

In addition, everyone knows that the USSR lacked not only sausage and American jeans, it, first of all, lacked information.

I once already wrote here that when a plant was built in Chapaevsk to liquidate a chemical weapons, then they wrote down all the expenses, except for the costs of ... informing citizens. It was then that the Americans came with a check and asked, where is the money for PR-promotion of the project? "And all our citizens are conscientious!" - They were told in the local administration ... Under the cries of protesters, conscientious citizens in gas masks, it all ended with the fact that the plant was never opened.

The people lack information


And after all, A.S. Pushkin was called upon to reckon with the opinion of the people. Remember his immortal tragedy Boris Godunov. "The people are silent." But today he is no longer silent, he speaks very loudly. And not only speaks - he simply refuses to go for vaccinations. But this is very bad. But he says only one thing - he, the people, again, simply does not have enough information. That is, not only we do not have enough doctors, but also specialists in this area.

Are there not enough of them? As far as I know, as a teacher of PR and advertising in the recent past, there is no shortage of these personnel. So there are people? Yes, but they also lack information, they have nothing to go to the people with. Although there seems to be a lot of it, but a lot is, you know, about nothing. Because the main thing is missing - specific and comprehensive information on a vital topic. But there is none, and people are allowed to assume anything. That's how they are - people.

And now a living example, so to speak.

And it so happened that I, and my wife, granddaughter, daughter and son-in-law last fall fell ill with covid and was quite hard, but they managed without a hospital. Just on October 18, they fell ill, and on November 21, a blood test for antibodies showed that there were practically no covid bodies, but antibodies had already formed. It was written on the Internet that re-infection is possible, and none of us took off our masks anywhere. Then the vaccination campaign began, I called my attending physician and received an answer - you don't need it, you already have immunity, there is absolutely no need to overexert the body.

But then summer has come. The question arose with a summer vacation at the sea and it turned out that the Krasnodar Territory does not accept without a PCR test, and we have a queue for it in the city for a week in advance. Contacting the camp site: will a blood test for antibodies work? "It will do!"

We passed the analysis and found out that we all have antibodies to covid: some have more, some have less, but we do. And then the strangest began. I ask my sister at the reception: “Tell me, do I have a lot or a little? Should I get vaccinated or not? " And she told me: “Vaccinations are not done for the sake of vaccination (!), But for the sake of antibodies. And you have them. And whether there are many of them or not, I will not tell you that. Do not know". "Who knows? Then call the doctor! " She went to fetch a doctor and ... in a paid medical institution the doctor refused to give me an exhaustive answer for money: "Go to the polyclinic at your place of residence!"

Let's go. I ask: "Where can I find out about the level of antibodies?" "Cabinet 25". I come up - there is a queue for vaccination. “I just need to find out…” Well, you all know how the public reacts to such words in our free post-Soviet polyclinics. Wipe off, stand, think about what to do. A nurse comes out packed in a "spacesuit" and for some reason goes to the first floor. I followed her: "Sister, dear, tell me - here I have an analysis, what is my antibody level, is it necessary ..." "To room 25". "Don't you know?" "No!" “But you work there, maybe you’re out of your ears…” “To office 25”. I walked around two doctors I knew: "To room 25".

I decided to take advantage of the achievement of scientific and technological progress - the Internet. And there is only one lady, a professor from the United States, who decided to name at least some specific figures based on the results of antibody tests. But I read that Dmitry Peskov, the main PR man of our president, did not get vaccinated because he was ill with covid in May 2020, and it is also quite difficult, and he has not only antibodies, but also T-immunity. That is, he can do it, but everyone else, including those who have been ill ... should ?!

I contacted one of the readers of the VO, who was also sick, and has iconic doctors up to the head. branch. He promised me to find out and ... did not know! None of the doctors he knew said anything to him either! No specific data available. But Mr. Peskov, however, had them.

Ah, he checked himself in a special laboratory in Moscow and found out everything for sure. But why the same laboratories for conducting high-precision analyzes will not be created in all provincial centers?

Expensive tests? But we have a lot of wealthy people, a lot. And they would not spare the money to find out whether you should be a guinea pig guinea pig right now, or you can wait a little longer. For example, I would not spare money for such an analysis in my city, but going to Moscow for this is both difficult and expensive.

Surprisingly, truthful information has to be “caught” in a muddy stream of unnecessary information, literally bit by bit. We arrived to the South, settled in a comfortable room. And there is a TV. We calculated that we hadn't watched our home TV set for exactly a year and decided to look into it. Oh-oh-oh - we heard one thing: "vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate." And suddenly it was: "In Moscow, the collection of blood plasma from people who have been ill has begun, since even a small amount of antibodies can help a patient." That's how it turns out!

But ... big, small - where is the table with the number, where in the information messages there is information about the number of secondary cases and deaths, where is information about those who became ill after vaccination and who died, again, immediately after it?

And all this is not in fragmentary materials scattered all over the web, but in red lines every day. So, as it is reported today about the number of cases in the country and in each region specifically. Is it really so difficult to keep records of these indicators and, most importantly, regularly provide information to the population?

Finally, after July 20, materials began to appear on the Web about whether it was necessary to vaccinate those who had been ill and with what level of antibodies. But there and then there were materials of completely different content: "There is nothing to be measured with antibodies, vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate ..."
But isn't it easier to give a table with data on the number of antibodies, with the dynamics of their fall and recommendations for when exactly it is necessary to be vaccinated, and it is precisely for those who have been ill. Exclamations like: "Yes is better than not ..." today, few people are convinced. We live in Russia, where the norm of behavior is: "better over ... than not before ...". But in real life this is not always the case.

I meet a female security guard at a firm. "Haven't seen you for a long time!" “I was sick, I was in intensive care. Yes, there were still many people who had even been vaccinated, but they hide it! " It seems to be a typical message from the "OBS agency". But ... she was not the only one who told this. And such and such stories support the negative "opinion of the people." Moreover, the woman is simple, she would not have had enough intelligence or imagination to come up with such a thing. Only specific information from the "top" can be opposed to this information, but it is precisely that information that is not there. Hey, where are you?

I am reading one more material - "from a doctor": "I do not want to advertise test systems, all tests are different, the level is different ..." All this is true, but for some reason these tests are carried out, right? And the fact that they matter, again, is very clearly shown by the example of Mr. Peskov. That is, he is confident in the presence of T-memory and a set of antibodies in himself, and we, those who are “below”, need to be content with the knowledge that “the systems are different, that the level is different ...” This is not enough for me personally!

Where is the table? With the numerical characteristics of different test systems, with the translation of some indicators into others, so that a person can already compare everything himself and make an informed and motivated decision. Oh, the doctors themselves do not know this?

But on what, then, on what data do they base their claims about the effectiveness of their vaccines?

Let me remind you that it is not the vaccine that protects against infection and the acute course of the disease, but the level of antibodies developed due to its introduction. And it is necessary to be equal to him, and by no means to a tick on a piece of paper.

And as a conclusion: it is sad that so far in our country they have not learned how to properly manage information flows, this is done rudely, in an amateurish way, and then they are also surprised that something is going wrong with them. But in fact, everything is simple: “Oranges will not be born on the aspen tree”, and bad work will always catch the eye of people!

PS


On the air of the Russia-24 TV channel on June 30, Mr. Peskov announced that he had finally been vaccinated with the Sputnik-Light drug. He explained the reason as follows: "WHO recommends not to pay attention to antibodies and without vaccination, I would feel uncomfortable in Moscow." But his wife agrees to be vaccinated only after her “all antibodies are gone” (as told by the Daily Storm portal).

Pss


And here's another thing, which is interesting, but I, in my hometown, will have a choice of which vaccine to vaccinate or not?

I’m trying, you know, to find out. But so far, everyone is sent to the "25-cabinet" at the place of residence, and for some reason there is only one "Sputnik V". That is, there is no choice. But it is precisely the possibility of choice that indicates the degree of development of democracy in the country. Or her underdevelopment ...
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  1. +12
    5 August 2021 11: 11
    That is, there is no choice. But it is precisely the possibility of choice that indicates the degree of development of democracy in the country.

    Pick (s) will be in September. To the Duma. There are no other choices for us.
    I am reading one more material - "from a doctor": "I do not want to advertise test systems, all tests are different, the level is different ..."

    My relative's test showed that she is sick with covid. Of course she was saddened. I thought: that's it, go to the hospital. But then she did another test and it turned out that she was healthy. These are the pies.
    1. -4
      5 August 2021 11: 20
      Your opinion .... and there are already three types of vaccinations, not only in central cities, i.e. there is still a choice.
      1. -18
        5 August 2021 11: 23
        Thank you very much for the publication to Vyacheslav! Extremely specific criticism, but without criticism, which the same Roman loves so much.

        there are already three types of vaccinations, not only in central cities

        We already have four types of vaccines in the small regional center of the Stavropol Territory, including Sputnik LITE. True, our local doctors say that the patient will not choose. They will vaccinate with what the specialist will appoint. In our district hospital, she is a therapist who, almost from the very beginning, focused on working with covid patients. So she has experience, moreover, the maximum possible. So she examines and decides which vaccine to vaccinate whom. Those who do not have serious chronic diseases, but overall health is not the best, will be vaccinated with "Sputnik LITE" and so on. Who's all right, "GamCovidVacom".

        PS I am inclined to believe that approximately the same procedure should apply throughout the country.
        1. -1
          5 August 2021 11: 36
          Quote: Artyom Karagodin
          I am inclined to believe that approximately the same procedure should apply throughout the country.

          This is approximately the case, taking into account the size of the settlement ... in the city there are half a lemma, therapists / specialists, there are many more vaccination points ...
          Oh yes, "light" also arrived, two days ago, so if they started to vaccinate, only from this day.
          And who should choose ??? - specialist. It will be right.
          1. +10
            5 August 2021 11: 43
            Only now Vyacheslav perfectly criticized the information policy of our authorities on vaccination. Again, they will not explain anything clearly to people, and then they will begin to blame them for their irresponsibility, and so on.

            In general, the pandemic perfectly showed how weak the country's governance system is. And its weakness is not even in poor controllability, but in the absence of a clear strategy of behavior both within the country and abroad.
            1. +2
              5 August 2021 12: 22
              And how many examples are there, where everything is clear, understandable, good ... alas, alas, we are not Singapore, in all respects, and not Switzerland ... although you can find everyone there if you dig around.
              And so ... we have what we chose, so that they would not talk around. It was necessary to think a little earlier.
              1. +5
                5 August 2021 12: 51
                It's never too late to think. And speak loudly about the need to restore order in the country. When a sufficiently clear and strong demand for this is formed in society, progress will begin. And there - you look, and there is a political force that will answer this request. No matter how "EdRo" would draw itself the percentages in the elections, this cannot go on forever.

                But there is no point in regretting the past. What you chose, you chose, you rightly noted.
                1. +2
                  5 August 2021 14: 14
                  It's never too late to think. And speak loudly about the need to restore order in the country.

                  feel
            2. +11
              5 August 2021 14: 37
              Quote: Artyom Karagodin
              Only now Vyacheslav perfectly criticized the information policy of our authorities on vaccination. Again, they will not explain anything clearly to people, and then they will begin to blame them for their irresponsibility, and so on.

              Yeah, tovarisch Shpakovsky again spat venomously in the direction of the USSR, well, the former political worker cannot live without it laughing
              And now I believe / don't believe. Unlike the current Russian Federation, the USSR, by and large, never deceived me, perhaps it didn’t publish some information (which I didn’t fucking need, there were other tasks and priorities), but it also didn’t "throw" it so frankly and with systemic frequency several times a year, as the current state does., covering up their hellish actions, in fact, with covered and open lies from the mouths of "cisterns" of all stripes.
              For 30 years, in my memory, the state has not done anything materially useful for its citizens, so there are also doubts about vaccination.

              PySy. The image of the face in the title of this article, for some reason, also adjusts to the negative. Please understand this.
              1. -8
                5 August 2021 15: 11
                Quote: Stroporez
                For 30 years in my memory, the state has not done anything materially useful for its citizens

                You have bad memory and poor observation ...
            3. +3
              5 August 2021 17: 07
              the pandemic perfectly showed how weak the country's governance system is.

              She's not that weak, she's lazy. Working for the real good of the people does not bring profits to the elite.
            4. 0
              5 August 2021 18: 21
              Quote: Artyom Karagodin
              Only now Vyacheslav perfectly criticized the information policy of our authorities

              On August 3, on the website of the City Hospital No. 4 of the city of Sochi, a publication appeared about the untimely death of the head of the hemodialysis department, Polina Yegor Viktorovich.
              Earlier (June 22), on his Instagram page, Yegor Viktorovich posted a post that he had given the vaccine, and also urged not to ignore the vaccination. Pauline attached a photo to the publication at the time of vaccination in the treatment room.
              1. +6
                5 August 2021 20: 54
                "After" does not mean "due to".
                1. +2
                  5 August 2021 21: 49
                  Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                  "After" does not mean "due to".

                  If you thoughtlessly take this statement as an indisputable dogma, then we get a logical error similar to the one that crept into its opposite: "After that, it means because of this.", Only with a "minus" sign.
                  It would be more correct to express this maxim more carefully: "After this - does not necessarily mean because of this." In the sense that the autopsy will show, and the investigation will establish ...
                  In the absence of the results of these events, we can only stock up on good coffee and invite a specialist in fortune telling on coffee grounds. )))
                  1. +3
                    5 August 2021 22: 29
                    I agree. It's just that in your first comment, I saw an opaque hint that death occurred precisely "due to". Hence the answer. And so - yes, we do not know.
                    1. +3
                      5 August 2021 22: 33
                      Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                      Just in your first comment

                      This is not my comment. This is some
                      Quote: Old Fuck
                      Old Horseradish (Old Horseradish) Today, 18:21
                      . )))
                      1. +2
                        5 August 2021 22: 34
                        Oh wei! Uncle Shmuel went blind after all lol hi
                2. 0
                  5 August 2021 23: 26
                  "After" does not mean "due to".

                  Seen enough in the hospital for vaccinated citizens. In our department, the proportion of vaccinated people was 50%. And lung patients were simply not brought to the hospital! The people were vaccinated to varying degrees - from 4 months to the first dose plus a couple of days! True, she brought two patients from the districts to my ward. In the rayon hospitals, they feared for COVID, and both tests in the department gave a negative result ...
                  1. -6
                    6 August 2021 01: 10
                    Quote: VIK1711
                    In our department, the proportion of vaccinated people was 50%

                    Apparently in a psychiatric laughing
                    1. -3
                      6 August 2021 10: 14
                      Do not judge by yourself!
                      It is quite a full-fledged covid hospital. There are three hundred beds ...
                      1. +1
                        6 August 2021 11: 02
                        Quote: VIK1711
                        Do not judge by yourself!

                        I judge only by your comments.
                      2. -3
                        6 August 2021 13: 51
                        I judge only by your comments.

                        Can you refute?
                      3. -3
                        6 August 2021 13: 58
                        https://bloknot-stavropol.ru/
                        More than two thousand Stavropol residents vaccinated against coronavirus re-infected with CoVID-19

                        More details: https://bloknot-stavropol.ru/news/bolee-dvukh-tysyach-privitykh-ot-koronavirusa-stav-1374763
                      4. +3
                        6 August 2021 14: 15
                        Quote: VIK1711
                        More than two thousand Stavropol residents vaccinated against coronavirus re-infected with CoVID-19

                        No vaccine guarantees that you will not get infected. So it doesn't mean anything. Once. Why should I refute the gossip that you are citing here? It would be nice for you to begin with confirming them with at least something other than your own idle talk. Two.
                      5. -3
                        6 August 2021 14: 27
                        It would be nice for you to begin with confirming them with at least something other than your own idle talk.

                        What do you consider to be gossip?
                        You are engaged in idle talk. And I collected information for two weeks in the department.
                      6. +3
                        6 August 2021 14: 39
                        Quote: VIK1711
                        What do you consider to be gossip?

                        What you wrote, you are our ipidimologist. I never believe in such things. The day after the terrorist attack in 2010 in Stavropol near the DKiS, one of the same "data collectors" argued with foaming at the mouth that a minibus had also been blown up in the city. "I personally saw the charred skeleton at the intersection of Lenin and Artyom." Then it turned out that two GAZel vehicles collided at this place, which caused a traffic jam. And then a rumor appeared. Was at this intersection the next day - and no trace. No funnel, no traces of soot.

                        And on the site of the current musical fountain near the Soldier, according to another "collector" who referred to the "FSB colonel", the Kadyrov mosque was supposed to be built back in 2011.
                      7. -2
                        6 August 2021 15: 40
                        So talk to the doctors of the Ambulance, 2nd City Hospital and Infectious Diseases.
                        I dug out in the 2nd hospital.
                      8. +2
                        6 August 2021 15: 51
                        I do it regularly, though not in this hospital. And I have completely different data.

                        In addition, I, my older brother, our editor, a cameraman (with the whole family), and a bunch of acquaintances were vaccinated - and no one was in the hospital. True, two - a young family - had a hard time getting the vaccine. With high fever. The rest are fine. After the second component, the editor's temperature jumped to 2, so she knocked it down with the usual "Ibuclin" and that's it.
                      9. -2
                        9 August 2021 15: 41
                        Sorry, I will intervene in the dispute. And the Anti-Vaccines who claim the "deadly danger of vaccination" have seen the QUESTIONNAIRE during vaccination live? On the back are a bunch of diseases that should be noted (yes or no) by the vaccinated. Someone may have them in a latent form. The person marked NO, got vaccinated and got complications.
              2. +2
                6 August 2021 07: 48
                Quote: Old Horseradish
                Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                Only now Vyacheslav perfectly criticized the information policy of our authorities

                On August 3, on the website of the City Hospital No. 4 of the city of Sochi, a publication appeared about the untimely death of the head of the hemodialysis department, Polina Yegor Viktorovich.
                Earlier (June 22), on his Instagram page, Yegor Viktorovich posted a post that he had given the vaccine, and also urged not to ignore the vaccination. Pauline attached a photo to the publication at the time of vaccination in the treatment room.

                Sochi City Hospital commented on the death of 40-year-old head of the hemodialysis department Yegor Polina

                “In connection with the resonance caused by the information about the death of an employee of the city hospital No. 4, Polina Yegor Viktorovich, the hospital administration informs: the death of Yegor Polin is not related to vaccination against COVID-19 and is not a post-vaccination consequence, which is confirmed by the autopsy results. At the same time, we inform you that, according to the law on medical secrecy, it is not possible to make the cause of death publicly known, ”the city hospital said in an official statement.
            5. -4
              6 August 2021 09: 42
              Quote: Artyom Karagodin
              Again, they will not explain anything clearly to people, and then they will begin to blame them for their irresponsibility, and so on.

              What should I explain to you, I don’t understand? The fact that all vaccines are in fact experimental, have not passed full clinical trials, but approved for use by the Ministry of Health? So this is Openel's secret. The fact that before vaccination, the patient must undergo completerather than formal honey. examination for contraindications to the vaccine, followed by observation of the vaccinated for a long time, the effect of which on the human body is not fully understood? Given that "there is no time to build up" after "optimization" of medicine and money, as always, too. Isn't that why the vaccinated sign a voluntary consent and take all the risks? So on the basis of what data, publish some kind of comparative reporting tables? On the basis of mutually exclusive statements of ours and not ours "responsible" persons? belay
              This is a massive experiment. The reports are usually written at the end of the experiments. In our case, the end of the experiment is not in sight. wink
        2. -4
          5 August 2021 22: 42
          Quote: Artyom Karagodin
          a therapist who, almost from the very beginning, focused on working with covid patients.

          Go young inexperienced or vice versa old, identified someone to "focus on sick covid" .... do not mind ...
          Who's all right, "GamCovidVacom".

          what a "charm" it was possible to "Hematogen" for the cheek and kick for acceleration, so as not to distract from
          focused on working with covid patients

          PS I am inclined to believe that approximately the same procedure should apply throughout the country.

          What a horror ...
          1. +1
            6 August 2021 01: 11
            Quote: Lara Croft
            What a horror ...

            .... stupid comment
      2. +3
        5 August 2021 11: 24
        Quote: rocket757
        and there are already three types of vaccinations

        There they are. But again, not in all cities. In addition, with Epivak, not everything is clear. Either this is the best vaccine, or vice versa. The information is extremely contradictory. What is actually written in the article.
        1. 0
          5 August 2021 11: 45
          Regarding vaccines ... the process continues, but the statistics are LITTLE, precisely because of the "all-round rush" and on a global scale!
          Sputnik V came in fine for me, and for our entire large family and relatives. I was vaccinated in the very first wave, I will go to the revaccination soon.
          The situation, from contact, at work, sick 5 people, two very good. hard, do not get through in any way. Nobody was vaccinated ...
          One of those who got sick, a former anti, is ready to be vaccinated even now, waiting for permission ...
          In general, life makes its own adjustments everywhere.
      3. +15
        5 August 2021 11: 24
        Do you sign any paperwork for antioxidant vaccination? Like, what do you know about possible complications and what may not work, and take full responsibility on yourself? That is, you know that "this is a muddy goo" and if something happens, then no one is responsible for the consequences, all responsibility is on you. Yes or no? If "yes", then in this way the state forcing you to do it, relieves itself of any responsibility for the consequences.
        1. -5
          5 August 2021 11: 48
          Quote: Snail N9
          you don’t sign any paper?

          You are now signing such a paper in every clinic and emergency room. Or have you never been to these institutions?
          1. +19
            5 August 2021 11: 55
            So are you signing? I am not interested in the trauma center, thank God I have not been there in recent years. I am interested in the legal component in a specific issue - in the issue of FORCED vaccination In other medical cases, I apply to a medical institution voluntarily - no one forces me to go there, except for health problems. And here they MAKE me. Moreover, they are forced to inject with a really "muddy liquid" that has not completely passed the test in full, with incomprehensible effectiveness and possible complications. Or don't you understand the difference?
            1. -17
              5 August 2021 11: 59
              Quote: Snail N9
              in the issue of FORCED vaccination

              How did they manage to "force" you to get vaccinated?
              Quote: Snail N9
              And here they MAKE me. Or don't you understand the difference?
              I do not understand HOW you are forced. As an ordinary citizen or as an official?
              Quote: Snail N9
              So are you signing?

              Not yet, but in the near future I am going to be vaccinated, we will see there.
              1. 0
                6 August 2021 00: 12
                Quote: Lesovik
                I do not understand HOW you are forced. As an ordinary citizen or as an official?

                What's the difference? Everything is elementary! Need a medical certificate? Get vaccinated. Or there will be no help! Passed 20 years ago! Only then was the diphtheria vaccine. Now change the "rights" again and something tells me ... that nothing has changed!
                1. -1
                  6 August 2021 10: 52
                  Quote: non-primary
                  What's the difference?

                  Difference? A person throws a tantrum that he is being forced and coerced, but at the same time he cannot say how it is expressed. The question arises: does a person have a reason for hysteria?
            2. +5
              5 August 2021 12: 23
              Quote: Snail N9
              And here they MAKE me.
              So far, they only actively advise, and, there is a choice, and the risk will always be. In any annotation to medicines, there is a whole list of contraindications, but everyone takes the same paracetamol, not to mention new, little-known drugs. Afraid of vector drugs, vaccinate with peptide vaccine, there are practically no side effects. In general, they write about it on the network that it is almost a "dummy", so you will not lose anything, especially if you do not believe in anything, but only a mark is needed.

              With which I agree, the government itself compromises vaccination. If everything is so serious, why are there double standards for restrictions, as well as with the voluntariness of vaccination. Who used to ask consent in a cholera outbreak? If the virus was created and used by the Americans, then it is a crime against humanity. Where is the UN meeting, international investigation?

              The latter, it was previously noted that the powers that be themselves should be an example for other citizens, but for now, their muddy, indistinct behavior only generates doubts and irony among the people.
            3. +2
              6 August 2021 17: 22
              Quote: Snail N9
              And here they MAKE me. Moreover, they force to inject with a really "muddy slurry" that has not passed the test completely

              The FRG media are preparing public opinion that compulsory vaccination is good. Well, that is, it is bad (from the point of view of democracy), but the unvaccinated will stay at home. By the way, their "muddy goo" also did not pass all the tests ...

              Just like that, for your information.
        2. -7
          5 August 2021 11: 49
          Without a piece of paper you ...
          Everywhere and everyone is warned, people, think, decide what and how you are doing! Naturally the signature, that you are familiarized, conscious, ready and accepted.
          We can find violations somewhere, or rather, for sure ... well, everything is smooth everywhere, it never happens anywhere.
        3. 0
          5 August 2021 23: 29
          Like, what do you know about possible complications and what may not work, and take full responsibility on yourself?

          Vaccines are undergoing the third stage of testing ... And the patients are guinea pigs !!! There are documents on the network on the second stage of Sputnik tests ... Not everything is smooth there.
      4. +2
        5 August 2021 12: 03
        Quote: rocket757
        Your opinion .... and there are already three types of vaccinations, not only in central cities, i.e. there is still a choice.

        Here the first component of one vaccination was caught for 4 weeks. He was simply not in the area.
        Today I put the second one. At the same time he asked about alternative vaccinations. The answer is predictable, there is no alternative.
        1. -3
          5 August 2021 12: 28
          At the beginning of the year, everything was strictly according to the lists, clearly, understandably, without delays.
          Then a protracted period of mass indifference, when without fuss it was possible to get vaccinated in many hospitals !!! And then, AS ALWAYS, a "fire" came and naturally .... you understand, nothing new, unexpected happened. EVERYTHING AS USUAL!
          The alternative will, will reach you ...
          We, revaccination, with the pretexts "light" ... and I came in Sputnik V the first time, why change that?
          1. +1
            5 August 2021 13: 27
            Quote: rocket757
            We, revaccination, with the pretexts "light" ... and I came in Sputnik V the first time, why change that?


            Indeed, especially considering that it has been announced more than once - Sputnik light is the first component of Sputnik 5))) And if this is the same thing, why change it. In general, in narrow circles, he recommends injecting "Kovivac" with a booster - a wider range of antibodies.

            And now cocktails from a mixture of different "liquids" are being tested. Preliminary efficiency is higher than that of the source, especially for strains.
            1. 0
              5 August 2021 13: 31
              I have someone to ask ... a specialist with the hottest practice over the past year
              1. +2
                5 August 2021 14: 01
                The people lack information

                I have it. The question is already on: “Where to be treated? There are 5 hospitals left in the country. "
                1. 0
                  5 August 2021 14: 02
                  Well, let's decide. Come on, the list.
                  Awful application.
                2. +2
                  5 August 2021 14: 33
                  The question is in the subject and for a long time ... but my friends should not be asked about this, oh, better! They, of course, are people of a humane profession (a practicing surgeon with emergency medical care, for sure), but they can, but they will probably answer like this ... it is clear how.
                  But those who have to answer such questions will not get through to us, not talk, and in general, they do not hear us, do not listen ... all sorts of "direct lines" do not count, it's NOTHING!
                  And now the question is - what should we do?
                  And now the answer is - yes, we have already discussed a hundred times, but nothing has been decided in any way ... that's why things are still there, tomorrow they will definitely stay there.
                  1. +2
                    5 August 2021 14: 38
                    Quote: rocket757
                    The question is in the topic and for a long time ... but my friends ask about it

                    I fear not the statistics of diseases in the region, where:
                    According to the Ministry of Health of Kuzbass, as of October 30, 3969 beds were deployed in the medical organizations of the region, including 2048 beds with oxygen (of which 493 - with ventilators). Taking into account the new places in Kemerovo and Guryevsk, the bed capacity will exceed 4 thousand.

                    and since mid-July, the level of diseases has been kept near the number 200 (!!!)
                    1. +4
                      5 August 2021 14: 59
                      I look with great amazement at that ... yes, at many things that can definitely be called utter nonsense !!!
                      In which both government officials and citizens participated on an equal footing!
                      But if the representatives of the local authorities, they began to drive them into the stall, after a shout from the very top !!! then with citizens everything is very difficult ...
                      A simple question, what do we have, a society of general irresponsibility ???
                      Well, what do we want, how are we going to live on?
                      At the expense of beds and everything else necessary .... again, a part of the special hospital was opened, medical personnel are mobilized, as needed. Those. the calculated influx of sick people will not remain without assistance if a catastrophic scenario breaks out, tady OH, again and again ...
                      The question is how to prevent a disaster ???
  2. +7
    5 August 2021 11: 16
    "And all our citizens are conscientious!" - told them in the local
    ... Unfortunately, in the USSR there was such an aspect as a monopoly on "truth" only in the hands of state bodies.
    Honestly, this is in relation to citizens, not honest, one can argue a lot, but the fact that it turned out to be another drop in the turbulent stream that destroyed the country .... it is obvious !!! Although there is no unity on this issue either.
    We inherited such a tangle of contradictions from the previous government!
    However, the current government ADDs its own, and does not unravel this tangle, as it should have been done.
    1. -2
      5 August 2021 11: 23
      Quote: rocket757
      and does not unravel this tangle, as it should have been done.


      Specifically, no one can say what to do ... by how the trial and error method takes place not on rats, but on humans. Quite cruel, but the choice is not great. Either let it all take its course, wait for the rats, or vaccinate the population directly. And here the state should not be blamed .. Everyone must decide for himself whether to be vaccinated or not ..
      1. +27
        5 August 2021 11: 38
        Quote: Nasr
        Everyone must decide for himself whether to vaccinate him or not ..

        That's it. Everyone. Myself. For myself. And when they drive me with kicks, and under the screams of super-reliability and super-safety, they poke bamazhka about refusing to claim, if I suddenly die a little .... It strains.
        1. -7
          5 August 2021 11: 46
          Quote: Lannan Shi

          That's it. Everyone. Myself. For myself. And when they drive you with kicks ... It strains.

          From the point of view of the state, everything should be so in order to reduce the burden on medical institutions, sick leave payments, and so on, so on, so on. Another thing is that you are the owner of an important organ - the head - use it! make a decision yourself - a choice that is, and it is always there.
          1. +20
            5 August 2021 12: 04
            Quote: Nasr
            From the point of view of the state

            From the point of view of the state? Well, from his point of view, it is beneficial, for example, at the age of 60 to dispose of citizens, processing them into cat food. Therefore, let’s still not put his interests at the forefront. Otherwise, the customs of the cannibals of the straw islands, mixed with the orders of the Auschwitz, may turn out to be something like a matinee in a kindergarten, against the background of the "interests of the state." And yet, let's not forget that we are people, not sheep, which the shepherd shears and cuts strictly out of his own interests. Huh?
            Quote: Nasr
            Another thing is that you are the owner of an important organ - the head - use it!

            I use it. And that is why the behavior of the "state" is very annoying.
            1. +6
              5 August 2021 17: 29
              Ha. And here, there are just a lot of those who believe that a person owes for the state, and not the state for a person. This is their thinking like a state, this is a "god" to which everyone should serve and which feeds everyone, depending on how they serve him. This is especially true for "servicemen" and for those who are on "government contracts." Once the "state" has said "must!" Their life slogan is: "The state knows better!" It is impossible to convince them.
        2. +1
          5 August 2021 12: 09
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Strains

          The question is what opinion prevails among the SPECIALISTS!
          Now, the GLOBAL TREND, COLLECTIVE immunity is needed. So everywhere, respectively, governments are already ready to provide / create it by any means, in order to preserve it ... EVERYTHING, as they were explained. And so it will be.
          It was / is correct, we can show, prove / disprove only time.
      2. +12
        5 August 2021 11: 46
        And here the state should not be blamed .. Everyone must decide for himself - whether to get him vaccinated or not ..


        It is true, if not for one BUT ... What will you do with the prohibitions of administrations of all levels "not to let go" to work, to rest, to football? It is the state that should decide on the legality of all this mess, not the local director. You will have to prove your rights to the watchman from the private security company, not to Putin. wink
        1. -3
          5 August 2021 11: 53
          Quote: dauria
          It is the state that must determine the legality of all this mess



          Legality? When there is no exact scientific data "for all this mess," then the legality, you know, is not legal!
        2. +3
          5 August 2021 12: 11
          Quote: dauria
          It is the state that must decide

          But this is true.
          Make a decision and be responsible for it!
          1. +11
            5 August 2021 13: 32
            Quote: rocket757
            Make a decision and be responsible for it!

            A million insurance - and everyone will go to get vaccinated! And you won't have to pay 143 million. And those that will have to be covered by the sale of gold toilets for the traffic police!
            1. +5
              5 August 2021 13: 47
              State guarantees, backed by financial arguments, are serious.
              However, real repressive measures can also work, only the ratings of the authorities will swing down, most likely.
              The government does not want to experiment, to find out how citizens really relate to it, and there are serious grounds for such fears.
              Although, in my opinion, they would benefit from this too, because many people understand that the bitter truth is much more useful than the sweet garbage that we are treated to from all sides.
              By the way, as in the case of the old man, they would have won in garlic, not with such awesome percentages, of course.
              As a substitute, NOW, we have nothing powerful, with a constructive agenda.
              Not born or raised yet.
              The people will choose from different evils ... the usual. We do not have our own ZE, but there are enough small clowns, as elsewhere.
              1. 0
                5 August 2021 13: 49
                Quote: rocket757
                State guarantees, backed by financial arguments, are serious.

                ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
              2. +2
                5 August 2021 13: 50
                Quote: rocket757
                Although, in my opinion, they would benefit from this too, because many people understand that the bitter truth is much more useful than the sweet garbage that we are treated to from all sides.

                !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            2. +5
              5 August 2021 14: 51
              Quote: kalibr
              Quote: rocket757
              Make a decision and be responsible for it!

              A million insurance - and everyone will go to get vaccinated! And you won't have to pay 143 million. And those that will have to be covered by the sale of gold toilets for the traffic police!

              Do you think that a million rubles is normal insurance for a citizen (father, breadwinner, breadwinner) or a citizen (guardian of the family hearth, mother of children)?
              It is clear that the life of citizens in the country is of little value. That is why the population is stuck at the level of the late 80s of the last century. But it will not be possible to return faith in themselves to those who have deceived more than once in small things and on a large scale.
              The question is interesting and timely: "How is immunity from vaccination stronger than immunity after a mild illness?"
              Another, no less relevant: "Why does the vaccination not give one hundred percent guarantee against the disease?"
              1. +3
                5 August 2021 15: 03
                Quote: ROSS 42
                The question is interesting and timely: "How is immunity from vaccination stronger than immunity after a mild illness?"

                Exactly! And in light, and in medium, and in heavy !!!
              2. +3
                5 August 2021 15: 07
                Quote: ROSS 42
                Do you think that a million rubles is normal insurance for a citizen (father, breadwinner, breadwinner) or a citizen (guardian of the family hearth, mother of children)?

                No, I don’t think so. But ... "even a tuft of wool from a black sheep."
                1. +2
                  5 August 2021 16: 43
                  from the Internet:

                  In the 90s, they slurped American shit, and then they pounded ...


                  wassat
              3. 0
                6 August 2021 10: 44
                Interesting questions
                "Why is immunity from vaccination stronger than immunity after a mild illness?"
                Another, no less relevant: "Why does the vaccination not give one hundred percent guarantee against the disease?"

                Apparently stronger must be understood as more effective.
                Because simply force (in the physical sense), especially excessive, can not so much solve the problem as aggravate it.
                ---
                And immunity is kind of like a protective reaction of the body. This means that both vaccination and a real disease cause a protective reaction of the body. To protect the body, the reaction must be sufficient both in strength and in accuracy. Those. it is necessary to answer strongly enough and (which is extremely important) precisely. Well, probably also on time (a strong, accurate, but belated reaction may not solve the problem either).
                ---
                A defense reaction in response to a real disease can take a long time to form, but it will be formed quite strongly and (most importantly) precisely. But with a delay.
                Vaccination, on the other hand, prepares the body's reaction to a strictly defined infection, that is, the body will react extremely fast (which is a definite PLUS), but maybe react overly strong (which is rather a MINUS), and most importantly not exactly (which is a huge MINUS) - they prepared the body for a meeting with one infection, and the body met with another infection and, as a result, the protection turned out to be useless - i.e. the consequences for the body will be worse than they would have been without vaccination.

                But if the infection for which the vaccination was preparing it gets into the body, then the body will cope with it easily.
                ---
                The problem with covid is that it (unexpectedly for many virologists) mutates extremely quickly.
            3. 0
              6 August 2021 00: 54
              Quote: kalibr
              Quote: rocket757
              Make a decision and be responsible for it!

              A million insurance - and everyone will go to get vaccinated! And you won't have to pay 143 million. And those that will have to be covered by the sale of gold toilets for the traffic police!

              I understand that this is exaggerated, especially since 143 billion will have to be paid! But in fact I agree! The spouse's doctors came to the enterprise to make the vaccine, they wrapped half of it! And the nurse (paramedic?) I don't know, she just shouted: "I NEED HEALTHY VOLUNTEERS!" And they slipped a contract, where all the responsibility fell on the vaccinated!
      3. +1
        5 August 2021 11: 58
        Calling everyone to calm down is difficult, if not impossible.
        Sharakhatsya from one extreme to another, blaming everyone and everything, or believing indiscriminately, this has never brought anyone any benefit! And where is this golden mean ... only supporters of the "golden section" undertake to explain.
        A person is given the head to think and make reasonable, if possible, correct decisions!
        You can offer to calmly and carefully think over everything.
    2. +7
      5 August 2021 11: 31
      When discussing this issue, a lot of copies were broken, and there are enough of those who are for and those who are against vaccination on this site. People write about their experience who got sick and what are the consequences of the disease, and they get + or -. Worst of all, many, not having a specialized medical education, "tear vests" and also interweave internal political contradictions.

      PS Do not get sick, take care of yourself and your loved ones.
      1. +2
        6 August 2021 12: 46
        Worst of all, many, not having a specialized medical education, "tear vests" and also interweave internal political contradictions.
        Worst of all, those who have specialized education are lying. And those who do not lie are sent to ignore by all the media.
        ---
        As for the "internal political contradictions", this whole "pandemic" (as well as the vaccination predicted in response) was conceived precisely as a TOOL for the political reformatting of the world.
        ---
        In the medical field in solving the covid problem, the population is primarily interested, that part of the statesmen (who talk about the voluntariness of vaccination) and industrialists whose interests suffer from this infection.
        From the commercial point of view, covid is extremely beneficial to those who make money on it (pharmaceutical companies, oligarchs and bankers who invested in the production of vaccines, possibly heads of regions and the leadership of medical clinics).
        Would a commercially interested party be able to solve the covid's medical problem if it allowed them to make fabulous profits?

        Well, globalists are using covid to implement their political plans (and all pharmaceutical companies, oligarchs and bankers and others secretly help them in this).
        ---
        The worst thing is that those who have specialized education lie not allowing society to stop these destructive processes.
    3. 0
      5 August 2021 13: 34
      There will be no effective response. Viruses are defeating you.
      Refer to ... I can read the list.
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  4. +5
    5 August 2021 11: 26
    But it is precisely the possibility of choice that indicates the degree of development of democracy in the country.


    lol I was vaccinated. Although I was ill. The reason is simple - work with business trips, and everywhere "vaccination". Or "ausweiss", what did you do, or .....? By the way, a vaccinated person can also be contagious. To be ill in a mild form and thanks to the "piece of paper" to walk and infect. Interesting, right?
    So about the choice.
    Doctor - what are we going to vaccinate with? One or two components?
    I - what's the difference?
    Doctor - If it's light, you have to wait until five people are typed, packing ampoules for five doses ...
    i- then double

    What surprised me was that the record was already 2 weeks ahead, but there were no queues. There are only 2 (two!) Vaccinations per hour. The nurse phoned those who wanted to. "Come, be a man couple belay "Interesting packaging of doses. For two, for five ...
    1. 0
      5 August 2021 12: 02
      So it can be assumed that the dosage is small, and the scale, the need for drugs is great ... they saved a little on packaging.
      Consider this in all countries.
      1. 0
        5 August 2021 12: 16
        saved a little on packaging.

        Well, they were counting on a stream, which in some places does not exist. We have a pitiful trickle. So the doctors would be allowed to throw away the unused portion of the dose. What are they waiting for? The end of the shelf life or that everyone will suddenly tumble down the shaft?
        1. +2
          5 August 2021 12: 41
          I don’t presume to judge, not my field ... but doctors, these are not many who stubbornly want to TRUST.
          And the delay is undoubtedly thrown away.
    2. +4
      5 August 2021 12: 15
      The position of our so-called "state" on this vaccination issue is curious. All Russian vaccines, suddenly, in some strange way, turned out to be not approved by WHO for use in the world
      This has led to the fact that being vaccinated with Russian vaccines is now useless, since they do not allow one to freely travel outside the Russian Federation. How did it happen? An interesting question. Nobody wants to tell you what the WHO commission found at the plant where our vaccine is produced, what has curtailed certification? Why are the other vaccines not yet approved?
      1. -1
        5 August 2021 12: 53
        You are ignoring PART OF THE INFORMATION.
        When IT IS NECESSARY, they easily make the necessary decisions ... there, the residents of San Marino, vaccinated with Sputnik V, can travel in the gamerope as they want and wherever they want, because their certificates are RECOGNIZED in the gamerope as correct. The same will happen with all the other Gayropeans vaccinated with our vaccines, do not hesitate.
        The question is, why is this?
        YES, NOBODY WILL RISE SUGGESTING THE CITIZENS OF GEYROPA, without serious evidence and grounds !!! Any organizations, officials who risked a drill, for political reasons, will be sued and ripped off like sticky, against the numerous citizens of Geyropa.
        Draw conclusions, logical, reasonable .....
        I have a lot of questions to our top ones, but about the VACCINE, the problems of its recognition in the world, NO !!!
        There are only grandmothers, mega-pharma interests and nothing else.
      2. +1
        5 August 2021 14: 14
        Quote: Snail N9
        All Russian vaccines, suddenly, in some strange way, turned out to be not approved by WHO for use in the world

        Everything is as simple as a perpendicular. In the mandatory contributions to WHO, our share is 2.5%. In private, which is 3/4 of the WHO budget, it is hardly more. And most likely less, at the level of statistical error. Well, we do not have serious pharmaceutical corporations, and real patrons, who will pay? The influence, accordingly, is also near-zero. So .... You have to play strictly according to the rules. But with this we have trouble ... Remember the satellite, put into circulation before the end of the tests. So ... Either lobby for interests, or strictly follow the rules. We cannot do the first, we don’t want to do the second. The result is obvious.
      3. 0
        6 August 2021 11: 15
        WHO has found a Data integrity problem with drug release control.
  5. +4
    5 August 2021 11: 37
    About "I just find out." Often this phrase is stretched out in time for a full-fledged reception.
  6. +3
    5 August 2021 11: 40
    it is sad that so far in our country they have not learned how to properly manage information flows, this is done in a rude, amateurish way

    I heard such a saying: "the modern education system and the USE were introduced so that in the future the population would consider the Government very smart."
    what It seems to me that over the past 12-10 years, due to the massive spread of the Internet, applications, the availability of consumption (sitting at home on the couch), many blogs, marketers (including PR managers, sociologists, etc.) have lost creativity. There is no advertisement that would catch on even at the subconscious level.
    when mass campaigns went on in the country one after another. “All to Avtodor”, “Komsomolets, to the glider, from the glider to the plane!”, “All to the virgin lands” ...

    Such movements were related to the general - the development of the country, society, were the motivation for creation, and the awareness of the citizen (personality) of involvement and importance, albeit small, but his contribution.
    The situation with COVID-19 is the opposite. It is associated primarily with the private, with the person and the awareness of its safety. Rumors are also one of the channels for disseminating information.
    To make a decision to ensure their safety, any person will be guided by information received from a source he trusts ...
    1. Fat
      +1
      5 August 2021 17: 38
      hi Alexander.
      Quote: Lynx2000
      I heard such a saying: "the modern education system and the USE were introduced so that in the future the population would consider the Government very smart."

      good good
  7. -5
    5 August 2021 11: 41
    Two minutes on the Internet and the considered positive level of antibodies was found and there is no need to run to doctors (the answer is on the websites of clinics doing these tests). Including overrun g ... on the fan is protected ...
    1. +7
      5 August 2021 11: 58
      Boris, no one can say what level of antibodies is considered sufficient. Our Minister of Health decided in a simpler way - in one of his interviews he said: "For full protection, the level of antibodies must be twice as high" ...
      - Petka, devices.
      - 100!
      - What a hundred?
      - What about appliances?

      Passed tests. According to the test used - 49. It is written that those who were not sick - 12. After the vaccination, the interviewed person - 150. The question is - is 49, is it good or bad? No one, of course, will give me an answer. Organisms are all different!
      Today the first stage of vaccination of one of the vaccines has passed. I do not indicate the name, so as "not to give her an advantage over others" ... wink hi
      1. -3
        5 August 2021 12: 12
        Well, and everywhere it is written that 12 it is a little 12-15 borderline, and above 15 is considered positive. Again, it was said from Gamaleya that any positive antibody test is effective. Including 49 this is already normal, and the amount of antibodies produced depends on the level of immunity. Somewhere I saw that there are above 300. After vaccination, I did not test for antibodies, but on July 12 it was half a year with the second dose of vaccination. I will sign up for a revaccination for August September.
        1. +5
          5 August 2021 12: 17
          Including 49 it's already working out fine
          Boris, and 48? And 35? This is the problem that V.O. And this is really a problem ... Therefore, as I think, it is much more correct to consider the period of six months after a previous illness. Well, at least something. And then plus or minus how much? Trouble ...
          1. 0
            5 August 2021 12: 53
            Naturally, the more the better, but since it is said that 15 is already normal. But what level is sufficient for a certain "headache" immunoglogs will say in a few years, and then only in general terms. And in Gamaleya they also said that not only antibodies work, but also the so-called cellular memory. And when a virus enters, the cell itself will begin to produce this immunoglobulin. Including do not worry too much and if there is no "fear" of the vaccine or type from the principle of "I do not believe", it is better to be vaccinated and re-inoculated, and then time will tell.
          2. +6
            5 August 2021 13: 19
            Boris, and 48? And 35? This is the problem that V.O. And this is really a problem ...

            I agree. A complete mess with this. My niece worked in a polyclinic, she said that they had an instruction that at 40-50 units of vaccine to be vaccinated, for protection you need at least 100, more than 200 units of vaccination are not needed.
            Then they gave the command to put everyone indiscriminately.
            In this case, they are measured in different units. What is the difference I do not know, not a medic.
      2. +1
        5 August 2021 16: 11
        Organisms are all different!

        No, everything is worse - all tests are different laughing
        All according to your own anecdote
        Petka, devices.
        - 100!
        - What a hundred?
        - What about appliances?

        To understand whether you need to be vaccinated or not, you must either trust the doctor (and of course you need a normal doctor) or understand something yourself (for example, I'll wait with revaccination). That is why the authorities, knowing our population, say do not do tests, revaccinate in six months. From a medical point of view, this is certainly wrong.
  8. +4
    5 August 2021 11: 45
    And not only speaks - he simply refuses to go for vaccinations.
    Two hundred thousandth city. The vaccine is in short supply. Registration through the State Services or in the clinic - a queue of at least two months. At vaccination points (there are three of them), you can get vaccinated faster by standing in a queue, but often there is an announcement that there is no first component. This is how people refuse to get vaccinated.
    And then the strangest began. I ask my sister at the reception: “Tell me, do I have a lot or a little? Should I get vaccinated or not? "
    I had a phrase in my certificate for antibodies (not literally, but something like this): the level of antibodies is doubtful, vaccination is recommended.
    PS By the time of the antibody test, five months had passed since my sick leave for covid was closed.
  9. -5
    5 August 2021 11: 47
    A purely Russian version: create a problem, and then overcome it together. As soon as the order was issued at work on vaccination, all the adherents immediately ran to vaccinate: We demand all the information about vaccinations! We demand freedom of choice! , and in the forefront.
    1. -1
      6 August 2021 11: 13
      "to overcome. It was worth at work to issue the Order on vaccination."

      It's good that no one forces, everything is voluntary ...
      1. 0
        6 August 2021 11: 36
        And they read me to the end. All the protests are worth something. There are no silversmiths now, these years have passed.
  10. +5
    5 August 2021 11: 50
    To inject or not to inject, that is the question. Is it worthy to humble ourselves under the blows of fate, or do we need to resist and end them in mortal combat with a whole sea of ​​troubles? (with) smile
  11. +7
    5 August 2021 11: 56
    Yes, the unknown is scary. If in the dark something rustled in the head, a 6-headed monster with a huge mouth immediately appears.
    And campaigning for vaccination is really being done wrong, well, how can you hang slogans like this on an advertising banner:
    Get vaccinated or die
    "Only the mentally ill are not vaccinated"
    "Go to the vaccination, or you will regret it", etc.
    1. 0
      5 August 2021 12: 58
      "Only the mentally ill are not vaccinated"

      Great slogan! Considering that advertising is perceived in the background, and in this case the "NOT" particle is ignored by the subconscious ... lol
      1. 0
        5 August 2021 13: 03
        Or you can: "Only those who are not mentally ill are vaccinated"
  12. +8
    5 August 2021 12: 21
    The author is a minus. We have been living for 30 years under the current government. And Soviet officials are far from the current system. Lies are the foundation of modern ideology.
    These came to power on a lie, they rule by lies. And you have to be a complete sucker to believe the scammers.
    Moreover, for all these years, care for the people has not been noticeable, and suddenly the vaccination campaign is filled with care for the people.
  13. -1
    5 August 2021 12: 40
    It is possible (and uselessly) to pour water in publications, criticizing the "weak information policy" of the government regarding the need for vaccinations. Moreover, the claims on the part of anti-vaccine users are quite often vague, and, I would say, stupid - it is absolutely incomprehensible what they want, except for some guarantees.
    The author, of course, has had his fill of criticism and slogans since the Soviet era, but he never said - "How it should be." One can sense the "Soviet temper" in the answers to the questions "So are you against the Soviet regime?" wassat
    But if "There are no heroes in their homeland," let those who hesitate cast their piercing gaze over civilized Europe, estimate their rates of vaccination, which on average have passed the figure of 50%.
    And the tales of the Vienna woods about the mass deaths of those already vaccinated, from side effects, or there from some other factors, will be left on their conscience ...
    1. +3
      5 August 2021 12: 54
      will cast a piercing gaze over civilized Europe, assess their rates of vaccination,

      So gay men get married there wassat
      And there is also the opposite opinion. That the new virus is the result of seasonal influenza vaccinations in the "precoid" era.
      We began to fight the relatively harmless snotty flu, which took its bribe from humanity in the form of rare complications - you will get the result in the form of a mutation. What kind of monster will be born tomorrow?
      1. +1
        5 August 2021 12: 59
        And all because of the fact that they were vaccinated ...
      2. -1
        5 August 2021 13: 25
        Quote: dauria
        So gay men get married there

        Something here on the site no one announced about even an engagement to their own kind ...
        Quote: dauria
        And what kind of monster will be born tomorrow

        And what is the percentage chance of unvaccinated people to live to see "Wonderful Far Away"?
      3. -1
        5 August 2021 16: 05
        That the new virus is the result of seasonal influenza vaccinations in the "precoid" era.

        And the Earth is flat and the stars are nailed to the celestial sphere oh dear laughing
        It doesn't even matter, are you such an altruist that you are ready to die for the sake of the absence of future generations of viruses?
        1. +2
          5 August 2021 19: 59
          that for the sake of the absence of future generations of viruses are ready to die now?


          Your thinking is strange. Viruses with natural mutation weaken and try not to kill their "carrier", but to parasitize, live and multiply. If you want to protect someone who is really weakened, then vaccinate them. Him, not myself... You will still remain a potential vector even with the vaccine. Only worse - the symptoms will be invisible. According to the official figures of the previous seasonal vaccinations, out of 100 vaccinated people get sick 20. And the general population is good for plague and smallpox. They can be exterminated, driven into a burial ground. The flu will remain, it mutates too quickly and there is always a niche for life. You just won't have time. Well, or you will be vaccinated three times a day after meals.
          By the way, I do not observe the mass extinction of Belarusians after the "festivities" for the sake of overthrowing Lukashenka. There were no vaccinations then. How do you explain?
          1. +1
            6 August 2021 13: 07
            Viruses with natural mutation weaken and try not to kill their "carrier", but to parasitize, live and multiply

            This is an explanation for the layman.
            Viruses do not try to do anything; if that were the case, the plague would have disappeared long ago.
            Viruses become more dangerous for the carrier, or vice versa, in the simplest case, is determined by a system of differential equations "lake". laughing
            Further explain?
            Or will we again argue about the taste of mangoes with those who ate them?
            1. -1
              6 August 2021 17: 31
              Or will we again argue about the taste of mangoes with those who ate them?

              You can argue with a biologist, with an applied arithmetic - to no purpose. I remember your unrealistic forecasts and "curves" a year or six months ago. Now take the new statistics from the doctors and approximate the already prepared statistics with other curves. wassat There are no differentials in physics and biology (there are no infinitesimal differences in nature). Even Ohm's law, therefore, cannot be written accurately. And you are getting into biology with such a clumsy tool.
              1. +1
                6 August 2021 17: 47
                You can argue with a biologist, with an applied arithmetic - to no purpose

                You are now talking about the development of epidemics. Or do you not even realize it?
                And this is not what biologists do, but mathematicians.
                Are you a physicist, biologist or mathematician?
                Apparently the word model is associated with girls. laughing
                Radiophysics, ballistics, strength of materials, materials science and even economics are all continuous differs.
                The basic radar equation is diffur, isn't it?
                Is the equation of heat conduction a difur?
                Have you never heard? laughing
                1. +1
                  6 August 2021 17: 53
                  Are you a physicist, biologist or mathematician?


                  Steeper, sir. I am a Soviet engineer. And when I was at your age, girls were not called models ... laughing
                  1. +1
                    6 August 2021 17: 57
                    I am a Soviet engineer.

                    Since the radar equation, the heat conduction equation, etc. are all nonsense.
                    Let's take everything from a reference book (like money from a bedside table)?
                    And when I was at your age, girls were not called models ...

                    Are you 85?
                    Well then, I'm sorry, you just forgot everything ...

                    By the way about diffura and Soviet engineers. After all, MVTU and MAI and MEI trained real engineers in Soviet times? SO ANSWER THEY FUCK THEY 2 semesters taught difura.
                    Not matan, not a ruler, not a matkib, not a terver, but a calculus. Forgot? Send a photo of the textbook?
                    1. -1
                      6 August 2021 19: 33
                      namely, the calculus.


                      Not two, but four semesters of matan. And not only differential, but also field theory, series, limits, analytical geometry, Fourier analysis and sequential analysis, Laplace transforms and others .....
                      And now a little lesson. Maybe it will come in handy and tell the biologists something. Mathematics does not move science forward. It is moved by the moment when mathematics "breaks down". Then a scientist physicist or a physician is looking for a new idea, and mathematicians just put their equations on it. Which eventually "break" again.
                      Maxwell's equations will never explain how the field is detached from the antenna surface. On the surface itself, E = 0, and right there next to it on dX, it is there, and even what it is. No mathematics, neither wave, nor even quantum, will explain how an electron in a diffraction experiment "recognizes" whether one slit or both is open.
                      1. 0
                        9 August 2021 12: 54
                        Not two, but four semesters of matan. And not only differential, but also field theory, series, limits, analytical geometry, Fourier analysis and sequential analysis, Laplace transforms and others .....

                        Our conversation was about diffraction, so I did not write about matan.
                        And what does analytic geometry have to do with it, as it relates to matan. And field theory is generally physics. You feel very bad with your memory. Some scraps.

                        maybe it will come in handy and tell the biologists something.

                        Your further blah blah has nothing to do with epidemiology, and I don’t need to tell biologists anything - everything has long been prompted.

                        Maxwell's equations will never explain how the field is detached from the antenna surface. On the surface itself, E = 0, and right there side by side on dX it is, and even what.

                        You are also bad with physics. Here's a little lesson for you. Almost literally from our director (he is a physicist and not a programmer laughing ) No equations applied to physics explain anything. Even as simple as Newton. Equations are a tool for creating a model of a physical process. The model is created with a strictly defined purpose. For example, for the purpose of calculating the antenna field with specified characteristics. Yes, yes, all the fields are now counted and not sucked out of the finger (if you want details, contact my wife - she is a radio engineer). But any engineer or applied physicist MUST understand that this is only a model. Therefore, no matter how many tiny letters d look through a microscope and you will not see integral signs. wassat However, as well as electrons flying in orbits of rotating balls. And yes, the field is also an abstraction, it does not come off anywhere ...

                        Speaking of viruses, the situation with epidemic models is exactly the same.
                        Models are created for different purposes. For example, if you carefully read my comments, then you would not think that the models of the beginning of the epidemic are inaccurate, because they do not describe the current situation. It's just that those models were models for determining the parameters of the first wave, of course, they did not take into account mutations and vaccinations - this simply does not affect the first wave. For the current situation, others are already using it, I must say that much more complex models.
            2. 0
              6 August 2021 19: 46
              Viruses do not try to do anything; if that were the case, the plague would have disappeared long ago.
              And since when have viruses become the causative agent of plague infection?
  14. +3
    5 August 2021 12: 51
    We live in the Amur Region, except for Gamkovidvak, there is nothing else. They are also vaccinated. Apart from scattered and often contradictory information, nothing too. Even the former chief sanitary doctor of All Russia Onishchenko on TV was indignant on this topic. Personally, only this year, I took a PCR test four times, the result is negative. In the intervals passed the test for antibodies, and they are there. Not even surprised by what was written. There are words about this, but they are all unprintable, so to speak ...
  15. +2
    5 August 2021 12: 54
    I read the article and comments, and for some reason I remembered a cartoon about three canine musketeers. Remember there is a song like this:
    "We are poor sheep,
    Nobody grazes us.
    We melt like candles
    Well, who will save us ... "
    For some reason, it never occurred to anyone that there is no information, not because someone forgot to add a couple of rubles for PR, but because no one has it at all ...
    1. +3
      5 August 2021 13: 30
      there is no information, not because someone forgot to add a couple of rubles for PR, but because no one has it at all.

      There is information, it is analyzed and systematized, but it is not submitted to open access. Maybe they think that the people will do it that way too. No wonder Sobchak laughed at people who "eat sausages for 60 rubles a kilogram, but at the same time interfere with the composition of the vaccine."
      Maybe there are some negative moments that they are afraid to give to the public.
      At work, the girl wanted to be vaccinated with Gamkovidvak (a vaccine that contains a killed covid virus, that is, it is a classic one). I saw on TV that they brought to our region. I called, she was told that such a vaccine had just arrived, it had not been distributed yet. She asked to sign up for her in the vaccination queue, she was told that there was no queue for a certain vaccine. After a while, they said on TV that there was a dedicated queue for the vaccine. Calls again. She is told that she has already been used. It turns out that they brought 8000 doses, and there are 17000 officials of all stripes in the queue. Not enough for everyone.
      That is, the conclusion: the officials decided that this vaccine is better. Where did they get the information?
      Peskov took a root in "Sputnik-Light", saying that it was recommended to those who had been ill.
      So there is a recommendation. Why are they not being told to the common people?
      1. 0
        5 August 2021 14: 45
        Peskov was grafted with "Sputnik-Light"
        where the information comes from. Not long ago he said that he would not be vaccinated.
        1. -2
          5 August 2021 15: 05
          Quote: Gardamir
          where the information comes from. Not long ago he said that he would not be vaccinated.

          The article says - from where! And it was replicated by the Network!
      2. 0
        5 August 2021 15: 17
        A naive Chukchi lad. lol Only one repetition of this nonsense: "Gamkovidvakom (a vaccine that contains killed covid virus , that is, it is classical) "says a lot ....
        1. 0
          5 August 2021 15: 19
          Naive Chukchi lad

          why Chukchi? My me, Russian! hi
          I could get confused with the name, so I explained in brackets what I mean.
          The name should probably be Epivaccorona
      3. +1
        5 August 2021 15: 35
        So there is a recommendation. Why are they not being told to the common people?

        Why not. Ginsburg immediately said that light is best for revaccination.
        But my friends (with about the same regalia) say that Chumakov's laughing
    2. +1
      5 August 2021 13: 42
      Quote: whowhy
      no one has it at all ...

      And then we must honestly say DON'T KNOW!
  16. +6
    5 August 2021 13: 34
    Well, at the very beginning of the article, of course, lies. Allah alone knows what the Union has to do with it. And disbelief because at first they promised honest privatization for vouchers, then there will be no default with the luggage on the rails, then about the invariability of the retirement age and the inviolability of the constitution, well, in general, there are a lot of examples and the current government has quite in good faith deserved such an attitude towards itself. Regarding the abundance of vaccines in a small village in the Stavropol Territory, so one can say, I'm glad for them. We have only Sputnik in the third largest city in the Arkhangelsk Region. But most of all, the voluntariness of vaccination touches, that's where everything is just fabulous. Yesterday I injected the 2nd dose. I brought to the attention of the therapist that three days before that the pressure was 160/110 and nothing was lost, even with magnesia (the therapist measured 150/100), so this is not a contraindication. And when asked what then is a contraindication, I was told: A tick bite, and taking antibiotics and temperature. So, in principle, everything is quite obvious, there is a strict instruction and a plan, and do not care about the losses, especially since no one will bear any responsibility, the vaccination is voluntary and everyone signs the paper. For what purpose it is being done, a question to the authors. Personally, I was injected with one goal, to buy time to solve my problems in the service. I have at least half a year.
  17. +3
    5 August 2021 13: 45
    So to be vaccinated or not? The disease has been little studied, but I was grafted with a Sputnik, so I'm calmer.
    1. +2
      5 August 2021 14: 01
      Quote: Going
      so I'm calmer.

      Victor! But were you sick? Do you have a blood antibody test, do you have a bunch of different age-related ailments? Maybe you didn’t need to do it, but you wouldn’t be less calm.
      1. +2
        6 August 2021 11: 37
        No, I was not sick, age-related sores are standard - hypertension, but I move a lot and lead an active lifestyle, that's why I got vaccinated.
        1. +1
          6 August 2021 13: 54
          Quote: Going
          No, I was not sick, age-related sores are standard - hypertension, but I move a lot and lead an active lifestyle, that's why I got vaccinated.

          Yes, I also take 8 thousand steps a day, work in the country, get up from the computer every hour and squat and do push-ups. And there is no hypertension, the pressure and pulse are like an astronaut. But ... neuralgia ... and everything else from it. And just the consequences of both covid and vaccinations are neuralgia, so you have to be especially afraid.
          1. +2
            7 August 2021 14: 07
            I walk a lot more and squat and do push-ups, and the pressure, if I don't take the pills, immediately starts to rise. This neuralgia also takes place, and who does not have it today?
            1. +1
              8 August 2021 20: 13
              Are you taking dihydroquerticin? My wife has a problem with blood pressure. And she is saved only by them. And it is not harmful like other drugs. Read about it.
              1. +1
                9 August 2021 12: 16
                Thank you, I will definitely read it and try it.
  18. 0
    5 August 2021 14: 13
    While all European countries were imposing tough restrictions, Sweden was testing a different strategy for dealing with the pandemic. What did she bring?
    In the spring of 2020, most Europeans were forbidden to leave their homes without a good reason, and in Sweden at this time it was possible to gather in groups of up to 50 people.

    In most countries, authorities closed educational institutions first to fight the virus, and Swedish schools continued to operate as usual.

    Vaccination in Sweden is voluntary, even health care workers are not required to be vaccinated.

    According to researchers Ariel Karlinski of the Department of Statistics at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and Dmitry Kobak of the University of Tübingen in Germany, who keep records of excess deaths around the world, since the beginning of the pandemic, excess deaths in Sweden have still outpaced those in Finland and Germany. But at the same time it remains lower than in almost all other EU countries, with the exception of Ireland and Luxembourg.


    For sim - everything ..
  19. +6
    5 August 2021 14: 19
    Please tell me, can I just get sick? Get caught in the rain, wet your feet, get cold under the condender. Where is the way out of this madhouse?
    1. +3
      5 August 2021 14: 51
      So far, the solution to the problems of universal vaccination is shifted to the employer. This is supported by absolutely illegal recommendations of the Ministry of Labor. If your employer is sufficiently independent from the state authorities and in his right mind, then you can not wait for a filing there, and you can independently refuse to visit restaurants and other gatherings until all this dregs settle down and, accordingly, do not inject. But something tells me that sooner or later everyone will be vaccinated. One should not expect harsh measures before the elections. But after that they will amend the legislation, the constitution, and what else interferes with the amba ...
      1. 0
        5 August 2021 15: 31
        But something tells me that sooner or later everyone will be vaccinated.

        Well, not all, NOT THIS TIME.
        And 80-90 percent will be vaccinated.
        While adults.
  20. 0
    5 August 2021 15: 29
    But it is precisely the possibility of choice that indicates the degree of development of democracy in the country.

    Yeah, for example, the most not democratic country - England or not democratic but sharply inculcated Malta (which, incidentally, is almost the same).
    Use 3 vaccines, NO CHOICE - lottery.
    And personally to your question whether there will be other vaccines, when and if they will be made in the required amount.
    In Moscow, the Chumakov vaccine is constantly in short supply. So we have a little bit of a choice, although personally I can get anyone vaccinated, but I got vaccinated when there was still no choice as a companion.
  21. 0
    5 August 2021 16: 17
    The tests done at INVITRO show how many antibodies a person has. You just have to pay 1000 rubles for such a test if you don't want to stand in line at a state clinic. Testing methods are different, therefore, the scale for measuring antibodies can also be different. But this is what medical specialists should look at. In any case, the tests show the threshold level and the level that a person currently has.
    Another thing is that the practice of recent months has shown that employers do not care how many antibodies you have, as well as what vaccine you were vaccinated with, so long as they do not impose a fine for unvaccinated workers. But, gentlemen, good, but the question is, where are the trade unions, which should protect workers in all sectors, including civil servants and food workers, and restaurateurs, etc.? Who else but trade unions, which should be, should talk about where to get money for the entrepreneur in order to organize vaccination at their enterprise, and not drive people around the city in the hope that they will find a place where to get vaccinated and preferably not next to the toilet some shopping center. So who is defending the rights of workers in Russia today? And the presence of a large number of vaccines only means that there is no panacea for this disease. And here again the question arises, where are those wonderful camp sites, rest houses, sanatoriums and dispensaries that were once at every self-respecting enterprise and really supported the health of working people, increased their immunity to various diseases, including ARVI / ARI? There is a choice, they will tell me. Yes, there are those who have money, and not 1000 rubles, alas. But what is the qualification of the personnel of all these physical culture centers, gyms and offices? And isn't it all about money, and not professionalism and elementary decency?
    PS I remember when I was a child I also asked my grandmother why it is necessary to swallow small yellow polio pills several times a year? I was 6 years old then, in my opinion. But when, twenty years later, for the first time I came close to a person who had had this terrible disease, I understood why the nurse brought those pills to our home.
    1. -3
      5 August 2021 16: 52
      Quote: 1536
      where those wonderful camp sites, rest homes, sanatoriums and dispensaries that were once at every self-respecting enterprise and really supported the health of working people, increased their immunity to various diseases,

      There are plenty of them! Just got back with one of these. And there are places for every taste and price !!!
      1. +1
        5 August 2021 16: 55
        So wonderful! It's good that not everything is lost with us. So, you look, and we will find trade unions.
  22. 0
    5 August 2021 16: 49
    Quote: Gardamir
    Peskov was grafted with "Sputnik-Light"
    where the information comes from. Not long ago he said that he would not be vaccinated.

    He didn't get it ...
    From those countries where the world behind the scenes did not prevent the conclusion of contracts for Sputnik, we see:
    Ghana received only 20 thousand doses out of 3,4 million, Angola - 40 thousand out of 12 million, Guatemala - 160 thousand doses out of paid 8 million, Bolivia - 1,3 million out of 5,2 million promised by the end of May.
    Argentina did not receive 5,5 million doses of the first component from the schedule and more than 13 million doses of the second.
    Etc. Several countries are revising / canceling contracts for Sputnik at once.
    And not at all because of the pressure of the world behind the scenes, but simply because we do not meet the delivery deadlines.
    At the moment, the share of the Russian Federation in the world export of vaccines is less than 1%. That is, even less than in the world economy or population. At the same time (fanfare) "Sputnik" was regularly called the most recognizable vaccine in the world!
    Meanwhile, in terms of the rate of vaccination of its own population, Russia is noticeably lagging behind the world average rate and almost twice as high as in such high-tech countries as Cambodia.
  23. -1
    5 August 2021 17: 37
    Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov. He certainly has all the information about everything. Or at least he should have it.

  24. -1
    5 August 2021 20: 51
    The people lack information
    Yeah, soon it will be in abundance, but I'm afraid that the people will not like it very much.
    Especially vaccinated.
    The main thing is that the vaccinated do not go to destroy their state.
    ---
    I really want to believe, I really hope that the trouble will pass by.
  25. +2
    5 August 2021 20: 52
    But it is precisely the possibility of choice that indicates the degree of development of democracy in the country. Or her underdevelopment ...

    We have never had a real choice ... as well as democracy.
    1. +1
      6 August 2021 07: 01
      It is certainly a good thing to agitate people for vaccinations. But there is no information, no statistics. But no, most likely it is not very inspiring.
      I draw information from the world around me. The last case, I call my colleagues how are you, when the documents are completed. The answer was vaccinated, my leg refuses to sit at home, the doctors say this is not related. Yesterday, a colleague at work, met a friend in the store drags his leg. They were obliged to get vaccinated at work. I go to work at the ambulance entrance, a man, a man of about 50, is lying by the elevator, a blood clot has come off, has been vaccinated. You can go on and on. I proceed from considerations that the level of sloppiness of laziness, indifference, chaos, incompetence and collapse is the same everywhere in the country. Therefore, if all of the above is present in my aviation industry, then why is everything perfect for vaccine developers and manufacturers? And there is no faith in the state, he is constantly trying to squeeze money out of the citizens for the sake of all commercial structures. One hemorrhoid with a technical inspection is worth something.
      It's kind of dumb to do the vaccine. I myself got sick a year ago with practically no symptoms. Everyone decides for himself. Yes, I do the flu all the time.
      1. 0
        7 August 2021 12: 46
        Honestly! Yes, they made me do it! "Or a party card on the table, or in the face." to know!
    2. 0
      7 August 2021 12: 47
      Volodya, how are you right!
    3. 0
      7 August 2021 13: 04
      Volodya! It's scary that the whole world is involved in this "disease *! But! We are looking at England // football ///. And ??? And where are the masks ?! And masks there are only ... black-pop! Why? Well convenient Peaceful white locals. Expedite! Try to identify!
      1. 0
        7 August 2021 13: 48
        Quote: Phil77
        And masks there are only worn by ... black-pops! Why? Well, it's convenient! Peaceful white locals

        Sergey, hello! hi This situation is very beneficial to the authorities .. to the authorities of all countries .. they are testing technologies for a quick corral .. and they also earn money .. an ideal scheme. Yes, there is a virus .. but such a hysteria, of course, has arisen for a reason .. A global world crisis is in the air .. earlier, when capitalism reached the point of becoming obsolete, world wars began .. now it is dangerous to arrange a war, maybe a response in the form of YaB can fly in. ... so they invented a new way to write off the failure of capitalism .. but in addition, progress has stepped forward a lot and so many people simply do not need ... the people began to carry a latent threat to capital ... in the form of a mass that can boil and demolish this system .. Very soon, drivers of all types of transport, sellers, paramedics (partially) and some other professions will be scrapped .. for progress .. Unmanned technologies have already been tested, shops without sellers are already functioning, medicine will soon become completely paid and available to a limited number citizens ... etc
        A huge mass of people will be freed, who will need to somehow be supported .. this is not profitable for capital .. In general, a lot of factors have intertwined into one rope and the theory of the "golden billion" is being implemented in full.
        1. 0
          7 August 2021 15: 00
          And I mean it, buddy! The flu has always been. Mutations? Constant! But to do "loot" on this? It became possible only today! World! Where are you going ????
        2. 0
          7 August 2021 15: 08
          And do not forget about the ban! On rallies, demonstrations! Everywhere !!!!
          1. 0
            7 August 2021 16: 04
            Quote: Phil77
            And do not forget about the ban! On rallies, demonstrations! Everywhere !!!!

            Well this is one of the main points drinks hi Unfortunately, the bulk of the population does not understand this, and when they understand .. it will be too late .. Although many have begun to guess .. but the attitude is not care ... well, it’s for now ..
  26. +1
    6 August 2021 13: 30
    Comrade Shpakovsky had to go to the railway clinic in his hometown, they were vaccinated there not only with a companion, but also with an epivac, and now something else may have been added.
  27. +1
    6 August 2021 14: 21
    ... As far as I know, as a PR and advertising teacher in the recent past ...
    After that, I stopped reading, because respect for the author disappeared (from the word completely!). I remembered S. Kara-Murza's book "Manipulation of Consciousness". And it is necessary this way: the deputy, the president, the director (hands-driver) with their PR specialists propose something, and put it up for public discussion. If the trick, or did not fulfill - on the count! If you succeed - live, work, think further, for the good of the Motherland !!!
    PS: Earlier, in Soviet magazines I met the author's articles. Nothing has changed, old clichés for a different life. It's a shame, comrade Shpakovsky, you need to rebuild, but not repeat yourself in articles, paragraphs and sentences!
    PPS: To the admins: take off the shoulder straps, leave me my clear conscience, please!
    1. 0
      7 August 2021 15: 13
      Pur kua? Historical articles are quite good! So for this we are here! We argue, discuss, talk! For this he is! No, I strongly disagree with you! Excuse me!
  28. 0
    6 August 2021 20: 38
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, I didn't see your article yesterday. On the whole, you are right. Doctors themselves do not know or do not want to know, but for what reasons.?
    1. 0
      7 August 2021 13: 10
      You seem to be a physician herself ... you have the cards in your hands! Write!
      1. 0
        7 August 2021 14: 49
        I'm too small a screw. I can only guess why this is so: this virus is completely new and does not fit into the usual patterns. Academics are at a loss, what to do?
        I don’t know, but my colleagues and envious people? Remember in the "Ordinary Miracle" of the hunter? All his merits are already behind him and he is very afraid of his colleagues: "evil tongues are worse than pistols" (c).
        We have: "one big village" there is always a person who either studied or worked or has common acquaintances. Therefore, we prefer to act on a piece of paper or, in the worst case, at the direction of the chief.
        1. 0
          7 August 2021 15: 04
          Vera! Taking this opportunity, sorry !!!! For yesterday! True, I was very wrong! Sorry! But still ... tighten up your grammar. Glad to talk to you! Sorry again !!!!! hi
        2. 0
          7 August 2021 15: 05
          No, Vera! Everything is easier, money !!!!
          1. 0
            7 August 2021 15: 41
            Money matters too. Because of finances, I prefer not to go on vacation and suck in two holes at work, although it is necessary to make noise, it is more expensive for myself to make noise. There are 3 people like me, and among them there are both younger and more dissolute. So you keep quiet or you talk nonsense - it’s safer
            1. 0
              7 August 2021 15: 47
              Oopsss! Was it ambiguous? No?
              1. 0
                7 August 2021 21: 08
                There is some
  29. 0
    8 August 2021 08: 32
    In principle, the people have already shown their attitude: [media = http: // https: //ok.ru/video/2735793834613] and
    1. +1
      8 August 2021 11: 07
      However, many people already prefer to become * a victim of science. "When I was doing the vaccination, in February, there were 5 experimental" monkeys ", nursing staff, and now 2/3 of the staff have already been vaccinated (all doctors and most sisters) were vaccinated before the order
      1. 0
        9 August 2021 15: 00
        Astra wild2 (Mom's joy)
        However, many people already prefer to become * a victim of science. "When I was doing the vaccination, in February, there were 5 experimental" monkeys ", nursing staff, and now 2/3 of the staff have already been vaccinated (all doctors and most of the sisters) were vaccinated before the order ...
        Posted on a green background, not red (alarming). Everyone should have the right to choose. I pay for health insurance in order for medicine to work, to make it possible for both vaccinated and COVID dissidents to survive, because: "Everything collapses under pressure." (C) "Murphy's Law". Health to you, your family and friends, as well as all authors, administrators, readers (regardless of country of residence, religion, etc.)!
        1. 0
          10 August 2021 06: 30
          Thanks for the wish
  30. +2
    10 August 2021 23: 00
    And here's another thing, which is interesting, but I, in my hometown, will have a choice of which vaccine to vaccinate or not?

    A rhetorical question.
    You see Lapis - in this case, only your own, empirical experience can help you. From Vladivostok, let's say you are unlikely to be prompted to resolve the issue. And the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation, even more so. He does not exist for this .... lol
  31. 0
    11 August 2021 15: 10
    First of all, vaccination does not save 100% of the disease. Even the officialdom says that the same "satellite V" guarantees no more than 95% of this after two weeks after the second injection. But the disease is easier anyway. I was infected with covid between the first and second vaccinations, and I was vaccinated with "CoviVac" (a bunch of sores, age). This vaccine is considered weak - no more than 85%. 6 days after the second vaccination, I got into the "red zone" and lay there for two weeks (five days under oxygen). Only now the head of the department said that she would not have been vaccinated, would not have survived. My wife fell ill at the same time as me, but she was not vaccinated and lay for almost a month, and even now she is in the hospital with consequences (mild). So, I think - vaccination is required. As for antibodies, the only information that I fished out from the Internet: SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus, IgG antibodies (Mindray) - the norm is more than 150.

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