A batch of modernized BMP-2M entered service with the 201st military base in Tajikistan

The Russian Ministry of Defense has strengthened the 201st military base in Tajikistan, the Russian military received a batch of modernized BMP-2M. This was reported by the press service of the Central Military District.

The base reportedly received 17 BMP-2M infantry fighting vehicles designed to replace obsolete military equipment. The equipment was delivered by military transport planes. aviation VKS RF. Currently, the equipment is being prepared for participation in joint exercises of Russia, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, which will be held from 5 to 10 August at the Harb-Maidon training ground near the border with Afghanistan.

The fact that the 201st military base in Tajikistan will be reinforced with modernized BMP-2Ms was announced earlier by the commander of the Central Military District, Colonel-General Alexander Lapin. The delivery of equipment was planned against the background of the evolving situation in Afghanistan.

The BMP-2M is armed with anti-tank guided missiles rockets "Kornet", 30-mm automatic cannon, 7,62-mm machine gun and 30-mm automatic grenade launcher AG-30M with independent vertical guidance drive and a magazine for 300 grenades.

By the way, four Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters were deployed to Tajikistan to participate in a joint exercise at the Harb-Maidon training ground. The heavy An-124-100 Ruslan delivered the disassembled helicopters from the Novosibirsk Region to the Gissar airfield. Here the rotorcraft will be assembled, after which the crews will fly over the equipment.

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[Yrec]

We are preparing for a "peaceful dialogue" with the Taliban.

[Vadim Ananyin]

Well, almost to the peaceful.

[Alex777]

Preparing to be forced into a peaceful dialogue ...

[Togilen]

I wonder why it is necessary to send trash there with 4 Kornet ATGMs and a new LMS, but without additional booking, as it was more than 30 years ago. Or now an option from KMZ.
Again, we are saving on the lives of soldiers, good fellows of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, keep it up!

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

This is when the BMP-2M with a new SOU and an additional grenade launcher managed to become trash for you?

[Togilen]

By the way, there was a modification with a grenade launcher and a Cleaver module back in the 90s and 2000s, if you didn't know.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

So what? From this, the modernized BMP-2M became so bad?

[Togilen]

How normal? We don't notice anything. Armored collective farms in the 201st steel base. And you tell me about a new SDA (and not an SDA).

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

We will assume that you have partially convinced me. But in the same source I saw again a photo of the ZU-23-2, albeit in a partially armored body. Need to explain that the suicide bomber sitting in the back of the truck is all the same?

[Togilen]

Not the fact that the suicide bomber, in our same Afghanistan, so many went. And sometimes without any protection of the sides, etc. And they survived quite well. As well as the Shilok crews, in which the radar was removed for Afghanistan and an enlarged BC was made.
They also drove a car and an armored personnel carrier-D from the memory device in Chechnya.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I know at least two cases when people died in bodies with memory, being completely defenseless.

[Togilen]

And the 40th Army numbered almost 100 people! Not to mention that the ZU was mainly deployed on the side in a dangerous area as a rule and was a very strong source of influence on the enemy. There is no need to talk about Tunguska.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

There is no logic at all in such reasoning. On the one hand, for you, the BMP-2 has insufficient protection, mobility and firepower, and on the other hand, you find it acceptable to engage in battle while in the back of a truck behind the installation of the ZU-23-2. Although it was with the BMP-2 that the spirits preferred not to engage in direct clashes, they met from ambushes in the mountains, mined roads or tried to hit them in the side from a grenade launcher. There were no Tunguski in Afghanistan, there were "Shilki", but with the advent of the BMP-2, the need for them disappeared.
It is strange for me to see when screens are hung on BMPs and at the same time they continue to place anti-aircraft guns in the bodies.
If you really like the anti-aircraft gun, you can ask for the armored vehicle "Samum" developed a few years ago or completely new developments based on the "Typhoon Airborne Forces"

[Togilen]

You really look for logic in your words. What are the direct DBs from the side of the spirits? Their tactics are all based on ambush actions. And the ZU-23 gives out more fire than the BMP-2, and even when there was a war between South Africa and Angola, the South African troops took over the ZU-23 and created the ZUMLAC air defense system, which also acted like a gantruck

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Is it serious about the fact that the ZU-23-2 gives out more fire than the BMP-2?

[Togilen]

this is a fact + the fighters have a much better overview, and you don't need to write them down on death row.

[Togilen]

Here I will literally make a small digression. Do I need to remind how they drove on armor in Afghanistan and Chechnya? For example, the driver of the Permskiy Sobra on the BTR-80 in 1996 had his leg blown off when he hit a mine. Well, something like this.

Thank God, some of this learned the lessons by sacrificing the silhouette of the car, which in the current battle does not play a special role with modern control systems, etc.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

They drove on the armor on top for a better view, and not because of the weak protection of the car. The risk of death or injury when riding on top of armor is higher.

[Togilen]

not because of the weak? Well then, tell me where the slang concept has come from since the war in the DRA: BMP is a fraternal infantry vehicle. There, the driver of the armored personnel carrier or the mechanized infantry fighting vehicle were, if not suicide bombers, then almost 90% of them were crippled.
And given the location of the ammo and the fuel in the infantry fighting vehicle inside, it is simply not safe there. The APC is better in this regard, but it is "cardboard". Can you convince me or not. You know what is the programmed destruction of the engine in which it can go. Starting from the 86th, diesel engines 7403.10 were brought to us in packs from broken armored personnel carriers and everything went on discussing the Civil Code, the military representative, etc. There was nothing to solve, the engine was in a vulnerable place, in a fairly close MTO (I am not talking about the BTR-80M), they also did not solve the problem with overheating and installing an altitude corrector. We have what we have, comrade.
And the BTR-82A thrown by the blast wave into the trees is not an indicator, besides, bullets or fragments did not fly over it. And the same armored personnel carrier is rolled to enhance fire suppression / cover.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

What does riding on armor have to do with a driver-mechanic, he doesn't have to choose? And how are you going to increase the resistance to explosions on the BMP-2, it cannot be raised by any upgrades. We drove from above because of the extremely uncomfortable ride inside. There is no air conditioning, the front-mounted engine provokes strong rocking for the rear-mounted troopers. Inside we drove in two or four, otherwise it’s hard.

[Togilen]

Why not raise stamina? To make a floor from a sandwich, move the mechanic drive back a little and plant it like in an abram - the problem is partially solved. From home-made IEDs at the beginning in Chechnya (the second company), the T-72B was split into atoms, even the dead crew was not found. And on the same T-80U, which was done taking into account the experience of Afgan, they did this - the mechanic's seat is attached not to the floor but to the ceiling of the car, the bottom has received reinforced booking, behind the driver's seat a pillers are installed that "sews" the OU structure.
How to grill it would be a desire. Of course, the car cannot be fully protected from AT mines, but you can at least reduce the impact load on the crew members and the landing force.
PS
On armor, especially armored personnel carriers, they drove not only because of the shitty landing, but in particular because of the fig leaving the car (especially the BTR-70), the outbreak of a fire in the landing party and repeated detonations of the BMP-2 ammunition vehicle. Syria has fully demonstrated this.
So, if there is no desire, comrade, nothing will happen, if it is please.

[PROXOR]

I am thinking of adding soft reactive armor like on the T-72B3 2016. on BMP-2M is not a problem, and mesh screens are generally like two fingers. The question of the mobility of the BMP remains open after all these measures. Ultimately, the success of using a particular weapon system is rooted in the tactics of its use ... although a better protected vehicle will give more opportunities. There it would not be for these BMP-2s to send Terminators for reinforcement and TOS-1A Solntsepek. This couple on different removals smoke perfume from all cracks.

[Dimon-chik-79]

After such an upgrade, it is necessary to change the engine with the transmission and the chassis ... and this is practically a new car, but of course it is better that way!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: PROXOR

I am thinking of adding soft reactive armor like on the T-72B3 2016. on BMP-2M not a problem

It's not a problem for 15 years now.

Using EDZ 4S24 in conjunction with original solutions that increase the fire safety of EDZ when fired by 7,62 ... 14,5 mm bullets, it was possible to create DZ complexes adapted to such LMEs as BMP-2, BTR-90, etc. , fire resistance and other parameters were several times superior to the first DZ complexes for the BMP-3.

© Research Institute of Steel

Fig. 6. The result of the hit of a PG-9V grenade on board an BMP-2, protected by a missile defense with an EDZ 4S24. There is no penetration. Only 1 block failed., 2004
Photo courtesy of NII Steel

[Togilen]

Well, the Kurgan BMP-2M had a more powerful engine (UTD-23 360 forces), other torsion bars, balance beams and rollers, by the way. And now there is such a collective farm at the 201st base) We even got to the T-72B

[Protos]

Quote: Togilen

I wonder why it is necessary to send trash there with 4 Kornet ATGMs and a new LMS, but without additional booking, as it was more than 30 years ago. Or now an option from KMZ.

There is a theater of operations, where the main criterion is maneuverability and range!
No BMP armor will save from TOW2, only speed, maneuverability, smoke grenade launchers and competent equipment of firing positions can save

[Barberry25]

and who said that in the future not to bring a mounted kit? and yes, according to local tactics, the troops are taking up defensive positions and striking at the clusters of militants - there will be no marches across the river ..

[rocket757]

A batch of modernized BMP-2M entered service with the 201st military base in Tajikistan

... If there are such bases in such difficult regions, our soldiers should be better armed than anyone else !!! Security issue, first of all.

[Dimon-chik-79]

And why did this rubbish get "on the cutting edge" ?! Why not BMP-3? (I'm not talking about the ceremonial Kurganets)

[Togilen]

Yes, the BMP-3 there is just a sweetie to obfuscate it, cause the detonation of the ammunition vehicle and "reset" the entire crew. We still do not have a DZ for her with 100 mm blanks, as, for example, in tanks.
Although in the Research Institute of Steel this has existed for more than a decade

ATTACHED DZ COMPLEX FOR LIGHT ARMORED COMBAT VEHICLES (LBM) AND ON-BOARD PROJECTIONS OF TANKS

The world's first serial LME complex was created at NI Steel in 2000

The complex was designed to increase the protection of the BMP-3 from RPGs at the level of armor penetration up to 500 mm, armor-piercing bullets of up to 14,5 mm caliber and shells of small-caliber cannons of 30 mm caliber. The complex is based on the new EDZ 4S24, which provides the required level of protection and the necessary survivability

http://www.niistali.ru/products/nauka/dynamic+protection/addon_era/

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Don't worry so much, this car will be enough for the Taliban and Afghanistan.

[Dimon-chik-79]

And "cardboard" kopeck piece means better?)
In any case, it is not clear why the Ministry of Defense is still twiddling its thumbs, modernizing such junk as the BMP2 and not releasing, yes, improved threes, in variants one is better than the other! and with a front engine, armed with 30 or 57 machine guns, armor reinforced with screens, dynamic protection, Shtor!!!
But instead, we send wherever possible tomorrow they will shoot at our guys, kopeck piece ...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The capabilities of the BMP-2 were enough thirty years ago, and it is enough now, especially with the modernized and reinforced weapons.
And to whom is rubbish, and to whom it is quite a worthy opponent, even after several decades.

[Togilen]

wow, that's cool. you're just a master of being stupid. i.e. in the 40th army in the USSR, in Syria, in Ukraine, what do they do with additional armor against RPGs and even ATGMs?
And you "Afghan" did not even notice this? That the armor of the BMP is like cardboard, or that of an armored personnel carrier, or of tanks that, only since 2016, on the same B3M and 80BV, began to protect the sides of the DZ tower?
guy, haloperidol to help.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Do not rush with words like that, otherwise it is difficult to keep up with the scatter of thoughts against the background of such an unrestrained flight of fantasy. There may be many wishes, but it is far from always possible to realize such unrestrained wishes.
BMP wanted to protect against RPGs and even ATGMs? It is commendable, of course, but it is hardly possible to implement such an upgrade.
And there were few people willing to compete with the usual BMP-2, and even more so with the modernized one, there will be even fewer of them ..

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Quote: Togilen

.., in Ukraine they make additional armor against RPGs and even ATGMs?

Have you "in Ukraine" already solved all the problems and wishes with the BMP-2?

[Dimon-chik-79]

not enough! and for a long time! a very long time! Even if in the early 80s it was additionally armored in the D version. And that was not enough! What's the point of such armor if it is sewn from such common weapons on the battlefield as the DShK and RPG?! And again we return to that region with the same equipment. And are the lessons of today's Syria taken into account at all?!

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Are there too many questions and wishes? As for the lessons of Syria, this is clearly the wrong address.
BPM-2 cannot be protected from RPGs in any way, no modernization. And DShK does not belong to the machine guns of the battlefield. This is a heavy machine gun that does not allow a quick change of position, a weapon of equipment for fortified areas, and mainly an anti-aircraft machine gun. In each such topic, there is certainly an expert, and often more than one, who is accepted to intimidate with DShK machine guns, completely without imagining what kind of weapon it is and what its mobility is.
It is as if you are once again gathering in that region and demanding equipment with impenetrable armor from me.
There are no intentions to fight there, at least until such intentions are visible, and the military is sending what they have. And the BPM-2M is far from the worst choice available.

[Dimon-chik-79]

Why not protect against RPGs?! Even the simplest grilles are not 100% protection, but still quite effective, and it is also quite possible to install dynamic protection, which was already written about here above. Moreover, many who fought on the deuce did such "tuning" and made it home-made. Regarding your opinion about the low mobility of the DShK, and its ability to defeat lightly armored vehicles, then you are clearly stuck in the forties in your judgment. But today's realities show that delivering a heavy large-caliber machine gun is no longer a super task, and the very nimble "tachankas" of the bearded Basmachi are a striking example of this. And the B32 can cause a lot of trouble! There is no insurmountable protection, but there is an opportunity to reduce the likelihood of defeat and save the lives of soldiers, as well as the corresponding options for upgrading the deuce. The army should be given not "not the worst choice", but a worthy, modern and effective one.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I cannot forbid believing in the effectiveness of the simplest grilles and the possibility of installing reactive armor on the BMP-2 hull. Perhaps you are pleased to feel smarter than the generals from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
But about the cars with DShK, this is something. Are you seriously going to fight them against the BMP-2M in open combat and in an undisguised form from the back? I can disappoint you, the car has no chance not only against a modern car, but also against the old BMP-2 without any upgrades. With the DShK at the ready, you can try to resist the BMP-2 except from an ambush.

[Dimon-chik-79]

And when was the last time the USSR/Russia army fought in open combat?! Was it in Afghanistan? Maybe in Syria? Almost all modern military clashes occur without a clear front line and there are no kilometer-long fronts and trenches in an open field. Yes, firing from ambushes from the corners of houses, from attics, basements, ruins, mountains, hills, forests. And it is not for nothing that this notorious tachanka has become popular among militants, allowing them to instantly appear in position, fire several bursts and immediately break away and disappear, only to appear just as unexpectedly in another place.
And the efficiency of grilles and remote sensing, although not absolute, is high and already proven and tested, which I repeat, here the interlocutors have already written and provided the materials above.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Now there is enough information to determine the level of the discussion. It seems that you have no idea about the capabilities and design of the BMP. Even a vehicle from the late 70s of the last century will not leave any chance to tachankas on a car chassis. It has such perfect drives, sight and capabilities of the gun with a twin machine gun that the only problem will be the detection of such an enemy. But how do you know this, it is not so easy to find such information on the Internet, fables about protective grilles and all-powerful tachankas with DKSh are more popular there. Of course, the BMP-2 had problems with the reliability of the gun, the accuracy of the stabilizer or engines, there were also problems when the gunner-operator or commander was a stump with ears, called from the southern or northwestern outskirts of the vast Soviet Union, but these are not the problems that should be taken into account now.

[Disant]

Dimon-chik-79,

The army should be given not "not the worst choice" but a decent, modern and effective one.

The first photo shows a BMP covered with Contact-1 rectangles, about 190 pieces, that's under 1.5 tons with minimum fastenings, the vehicle's mobility and cross-country ability will drop, in the mountains - the engine power and vehicle mobility will drop even more.
in this position they (contact-1) will work against RPGs only from "course" angles, if they hit the side from the side - it is unlikely to protect.

[Dimon-chik-79]

yes, for a high-quality full-fledged modernization it is necessary to change both the engine and the transmission and the chassis. This will allow to adequately increase the protection of the deuce. Here and the installation of additional armor screens like the D variant and more modern dynamic protection. The most important thing is that all this has already been embodied in prototypes.

But you can, of course, without bothering to stop at the "dushman") options for a simpler and then it happened that to give the strengthening of protection with sometimes a dubious result directly to the fighters ...

[Barberry25]

because on BMP-3 it is necessary to teach and import BC more powerfully, while for Berezhkov it is enough just to deliver cornets ... and it is easier to teach.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

And the BMP-100's 3-mm cannon is not so needed in counter-guerrilla warfare. Sometimes it is more important to force the barmaley crowd to lie down with dense barrage fire, not to let it go, so that later they can call artillery fire or aviation support. And the grenade launcher can be quite useful.

[Barberry25]

well, 100 mm, this is still artillery, in this situation I think that there are three main points: 1) the BMP-3 is already distributed between the units and no one would pull them, 2) ammunition, because to drive a couple of trains of 100 mm shells and missiles there. .. this is still a pleasure, but with AGS and cornet there will be no difficulties, 3) The presence of AGS and a panoramic sight ..

[hagen]

It's strange, why on the An-124....? There is a railway there, after all. It's cheaper and a larger volume can be lifted in one echelon. Are they reducing the equipment accumulation period? Is something planned soon that the media hasn't talked about yet? I wonder...

[Togilen]

I will reveal the secret .... transit by railway through all these "friendly" countries, especially Kazakhstan, costs money, and moreover, if a sentry in the parking lot of an intruder's echelon can shoot anyone in the Russian Federation, there is no, just wave your butt off.
And the persecution of Russians and our language is no better there than in 404.

[Castro Ruiz]

Wow. It will be hot there soon.
But without increasing armor and increasing mine resistance, this is such a pseudomodernization.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

So many wishes for the modernization of the BMP-2 and so much criticism, maybe you better switch to compiling a list of requirements for new equipment, and not for a car that was almost 40 years old.

[Disant]

one wish - a more powerful engine and you can throw a couple of tons in any variation.
yes, the running resource will decrease slightly and the melt will go into oblivion.
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and the photo in the article is not a BMP-2M.
1) BMP-2M with the Berezhok module should be, and there should be new sighting ones with a thermal imager and missiles and a grenade launcher and a R-168-25U-2 radio station with a

or
2) BMP-2M - on the turret there is a double Attack + panels, grilles and "boxes" of dynamic protection, like Togilen in the photo above (bright green paint with sand).
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the first is powerful weapons with sights and weak protection, the second is the other way around
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there are more options, but they are exactly the only exhibition ones.
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you need a more powerful engine

[Victorio]

Quote: CastroRuiz

Wow. It will be hot there soon.
But without increasing armor and increasing mine resistance, this is such a pseudomodernization.

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The capabilities of the machines are sufficient for the task of strengthening/increasing border protection, but for mountains and urban conditions they are clearly not enough.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

For military operations in the mountains, it should just be enough, taking into account the additional grenade launcher. And in the city, no BMP will be enough, unless it is based on a tank, like the T-15.

[Evil 55]

Of course, I wouldn't want it, but its combat use is "just around the corner", and beyond a narrow river... The Taliban will clearly not calm down and all their tales about a truce are just talk in an attempt to strengthen their positions in Afghanistan and recruit volunteers for the next step towards the formation of an Islamic Caliphate in Central Asia.

[Seld]

It seems to me that the trick is in the relationships between and at the same time: "price of equipment - theater of operations - efficiency of use - efficiency of maintenance - price and value of personnel in case of losses - etc." They estimated everything and a bunch of other factors and decided to limit themselves to the second BMP. It seems that they squeezed out the BPM-3... But the firepower and protection of the three are a completely different matter...