Combat aircraft. And what didn't you fly peacefully?

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One of those aircraft of the Second World War, about which we can safely say "with a difficult fate." In reality, this plane could not take place at all, or become completely different, because it was conceived as anything, but not as a marine patrol attack aircraft. And to be very specific - like a passenger liner.

The year is 1939. Lockheed is working on a replacement for its L-14 passenger liner to squeeze out Douglas rivals who have rowed the dollars too well with their DST and DC-3 models.



The L-14 was not bad, but not a competitor to the same DC-3, which was both simpler and cheaper, and took on board more passengers with luggage.

And the designers of Lockheed came up with an airplane that they called the L-18 Loudstar. Basically, it was an aircraft that used a lot of the L-14 base, but differed from it in the shape and size of the fuselage. A longer and higher fuselage did not have the best effect on speed characteristics, but this was not critical for a passenger aircraft. But "Loudstar" could take on board 18 passengers instead of 14 from its predecessor.

Now this figure will make many smile, but those were the 30s of the last century. That is, almost 100 years ago.

Lockheed planned to equip the aircraft with a whole range of different engines from Pratt & Whitney with power from 490 to 650 hp, so to speak, for every taste.

The most interesting thing about the fate of this aircraft is that Lockheed did without building a prototype. We took three production L-14s and redesigned the fuselage and tail. And the first such L-18 took off on September 21, 1939, and the first production L-18 took off in February 1940.

However, Lockheed was deeply disappointed. The plane “didn't take off” in terms of sales. It happened. Despite the fact that all the work was done more than quickly, the DC-3 has firmly taken its place in the market. Slower, but capacious and reliable, it has become the king of freight and passenger routes.

The L-18 was sold in small numbers. In the United States, 43 cars were purchased, another 96 were sold to other countries. In general - a complete disappointment. The expenses, of course, paid off, but nothing more.

However, it so happened that the sequel story the aircraft received thanks to 38 aircraft, which were acquired by Great Britain and one purchased by the US Air Force.

Combat aircraft. And what didn't you fly peacefully?

The US Air Force bought one L-18 badged as the C-56. It was an ordinary passenger plane, which simply carried staff officers. I liked the plane, and the Air Force bought three more under the C-57 brand. I really liked the plane, so 10 more units were bought.

These planes worked very hard for the benefit of the Air Force, therefore, when the Second World War began, the American military had an airplane in mind, and Lockheed received an order for 365 aircraft, plus the military simply requisitioned a certain number from Lockheed.

The aircraft were designated C-56, C-57, C-59 and C-60, depending on the installed engines. Aircraft that ended up serving in the Navy or Coastal Services were called R-50s. "Sea" gathered about a hundred.


All these aircraft were passenger versions, where the cabin was simplified to the maximum and the floor was somewhat reinforced. In fact, they are ordinary airborne transport vehicles, without weapons. Some C-60 models had mounts so that members of the landing could fire from their personal weapons... So-so defense, you know.

The good American guys sent 15 cars from this order under Lend-Lease to the British allies. The British also appreciated the planes, and ...

And the question followed: "Can you do the same, but with mother-of-pearl buttons"?

"Easy" - was the answer from "Lockheed", by that time (February 1940) the company had already thoroughly filled its hand in all sorts of alterations.

And it began ...

The British were generally distinguished by their ability to puzzle, plus a peculiar sense of humor. But a promise to order 25 planes is a promise to order 25 planes, and during a war only a completely foolish person can disdain military orders. There weren't any at Lockheed. And the experience was.

Back in 1938, Lockheed, at the request of the Dutch, built the L-12A, a training bomber, from the L-212A Electra Junior. The L-212A differed from the cargo-and-passenger ancestor by a bomb bay in the luggage compartment, bomb suspensions and weapons, which consisted of a 7,7-mm machine gun and the same machine gun on the turret in the rear.

These 15 aircraft served in the Dutch East Indies and took part in the war, patrolling the coastal waters of the East Indies (now Indonesia). Naturally, all aircraft were lost during skirmishes with Japanese aircraft.

Around the same time, by order of the British, Lockheed converted the L-14 Super Electra into a naval anti-submarine reconnaissance aircraft. The aircraft received a transparent nose, where the navigator-bombardier was located, enlarged gas tanks and a decent defensive armament of five 7,62-mm machine guns.


Well, yes, this is the "Hudson", which was adopted not only in Britain, but also in the United States, where they also liked the car.

So when the prospect of another Hudson loomed, Lockheed rolled up its sleeves.

To begin with, it was decided to install new engines on the plane, which was to become again a naval reconnaissance officer with the function of an anti-submarine aircraft. Swung to the most powerful at that time Pratt-Whitney R-2800 "Double Wasp".

It turned out to be not very simple: it was necessary to develop new propellers, since the Pratt-Whitney engines originally had propellers that did not allow them to be installed in length into the nacelle of the aircraft without changing the wing. Move nacelles - remodel the entire wing. Lockheed decided it would be easier to come up with other screws.

The screws have been designed. Smaller diameter, but wide-bladed, which made it possible to maximize the use of engine power at low and medium altitudes, exactly where a naval patrol aircraft should operate.


They did not become greedy in terms of weapons. The aircraft received a battery of 8 British 7,69 mm machine guns. 2 movable machine guns were located in the bow end of the navigator's cabin, 2 more fixed above it, 2 on the turret at the top of the fuselage and 2 on the pivot mount under the tail section.

To cause trouble for an enemy submarine, the plane could carry 2 kg of bombs. This was more than enough to make life difficult for German submariners with good preparation, but fatally.

Compared to the Hudson, the new plane flew faster and farther. In March 1940, the British received the first aircraft for testing. The tests passed with brilliance, and as a result, received the name "Ventura", the plane was ordered in a series of 300 aircraft.

In March-May 1942, "Ventura" began to take up military service. Moreover, the first place of service of the naval patrol aircraft was ... the bomber division! Yes, the first Ventura entered the 21st Bomber Division. Britain had a shortage of medium bombers, and in 1942 Britain went from defensive to offensive in an air war with the Reich. And there were not enough medium bombers.


They served as Ventura bombers until the fall of 1943, when they were replaced by the Mosquito. And the planes went to serve their real purpose. All subsequent series were already at the disposal of the Coastal Command, where they served as patrol and anti-submarine aircraft.

Meanwhile, Lockheed was stepping up its aircraft production. In September 1941, the US Air Force requisitioned 208 aircraft from Lockheed and began using them for training purposes and as patrol aircraft. And for the already requisitioned planes, they ordered another 200 training and patrol aircraft under the name B-34. These aircraft were armed with a Martin top turret with two 12,7 mm machine guns.

In July 1942, the Ventura came to the attention of the American fleet... There they operated, along with flying boats, ground vehicles RVO-1 (this is still the same "Hudson" in the American version), which showed themselves very well. "And we need it too!" - said the naval and created a naval Aviation coast-based, typing there everything that came to hand and that they were given almost voluntarily.

So B-24 became naval PB4Y, B-25 was renamed PBJ, and B-34 became PV-2.


The plane came to the court very much. It got to the point that the brave naval guys began to rob their British allies, simply withdrawing vehicles from British orders in the interests of the US Navy. This is how the Ventura PV-3 appeared, these are British vehicles, deprived of parts of the machine guns in the bow and upper turret. It was logical where these planes flew (along the US coast, chasing German submarines), where the appearance of enemy fighters was simply impossible.

The fixed 7,69-mm machine guns were replaced with 12,7-mm Browning, which made the aircraft suitable for attacking lightly armored ships. And from the end of 1943, the entire production of "Ventures" went exclusively in the interests of the American fleet. The aircraft were equipped according to American standards in terms of weapons and radio communications. The British lost part of their order for 300 aircraft.

In 1943, a modification of the "Ventura" went with an ASD-1 radar in the now opaque nose and the possibility of suspension of dropped fuel tanks.

Americans began to use Ventura very competently. The aircraft carried out patrol duty on the Atlantic and Pacific coasts of the United States. When it became clear that the plane was more than good, they began to supply it to the units that fought in the Pacific Ocean.

Due to its speed, the Ventura at low altitude could easily escape from the Japanese A6M3 or Ki-43, and with the afterburner there was a chance (small, but there was) even to escape from the Ki-61. But if it was impossible to leave, then the crews of "Ventur" easily got involved in a fight, since 6 large-caliber machine guns made it possible to reason with any enemy.

And on later models of 1944, at the bottom of the bow, they began to hang a container with three Browning 12,7-mm machine guns with 120 rounds of ammunition per barrel. The combat capabilities of the aircraft have grown considerably in the offensive. And two more such de machine guns could be installed in the side windows of the rear of the fuselage.

No wonder that with such a set of weapons the idea came to use the Ventura as an escort fighter. And "Ventura" accompanied the B-24, which flew from the Aleutian Islands to the Kuril Islands and transport C-47 with cargo for the garrison of New Guinea.


Well, the idea of ​​a night fighter was just a stone's throw away. When the Japanese night bombers completely got hold of the American naval command, the night fighter squads were created, in which once again the converted Ventura served.

The side windows of the navigator's cockpit were repaired and four 12,7-mm machine guns were installed in the cockpit. In the nose and on the wing, the antennas of the AI ​​IV radar, designed to search for air targets, were mounted. The crew, consisting of five people, was reduced to three: a pilot, a radio operator and a gunner. The hatch defensive installation was removed. About two dozen aircraft were converted in this way.


And in this form, "Ventura" began to try to search for and shoot down Japanese night bombers. And from October 1943 to July 1944, 12 Japanese aircraft were shot down. Considering the areas in which this search took place, it is quite worthy. This, after all, is not over London "Junkers" to catch.

As a fighter, the Ventura was not bad, but the lack of normal vertical maneuver and a low operating ceiling hindered it. But the aircraft was not originally designed for this.

But the main work of "Ventura" was the search for enemy submarines, followed by an attack or reconnaissance. A flight range of 2 670 km allowed this, a set of the most modern American navigation equipment greatly facilitated the tasks, a bomb load of 2 270 kg was a very serious test for any submarine.


The bomb bay was frankly small, only 1 kg of bombs could be placed in it, the rest was suspended from the outside on pylons. The aircraft could be equipped with bombs of 360, 50, 114 and 227 kg, as well as depth charges of 545 or 147 kg. It was possible to place the Mk.295 torpedo inside the bomb compartment. Fuel tanks could be placed on the pylons or in the bomb bay. The tanks were unprotected and it was required to use up the fuel from them in the first place.

The first submarine, Ventura, was sunk on April 29, 1943. It happened in the area of ​​the island of Newfoundland, the German boat U-174 was unlucky. It was followed by U-761, U-336, U-615 and others. The war was raging across the Atlantic, and it is worth noting that the Ventura were more effective in it than the German submariners, who could not oppose anything to the American aircraft. Anti-aircraft crews of the boats were very simply suppressed by Ventur machine guns, after which bombs were used.

In the Pacific Ocean, the role of "Ventura" was reduced to slightly different tasks. Since the Japanese followed different tactics for submarines, the targets for the Ventur were boats, small transport ships and even land positions.

"Ventura" stormed the Japanese positions on the Marshall Islands, the Gilbert Islands, the Caroline Islands with machine guns and bombs, acting easily without fighter cover. Here a very important feature of the aircraft became clear - excellent survivability. The cars returned to the airfields, literally riddled with fire from the ground, with battered engines, but remained operational. Even with the cylinders punctured, the R-2800s continued to pull the plane.

There was a case where three Japanese shells hit the engine from Pratt-Whitney, but he dragged the plane back to base.

And that was an excellent property. Because the Ventura's buoyancy was very bad. Having landed on the water, PV-1 lasted no more than 30-40 seconds, then that was all. Drowned. Therefore, it was better to pull "on the teeth" to the ground.

Massively "Ventura" were used in the Aleutian operation, where they bombed the Japanese garrisons, aimed at the targets "Liberators" and B-24, which bombed from high altitudes. "Ventura" "polished" from low altitudes, using both bombs and machine guns. The Japanese also got it on the Kuril Islands. Remains of American aircraft, including the Venture. You can still see it, for example, on the Shumshu island.






Photo by E. Demidov.

Many Ventures landed due to damage or lack of fuel in Kamchatka in 1944. Five planes turned out to be fully operational, and ours interned them in accordance with the then Soviet-Japanese agreement on neutrality. The crews were sent to the United States, and the planes were used for their own purposes, mainly to patrol the coast. The aircraft, although not listed, were used by the 128th mixed air division. And on one "Ventura", as on a communications plane, the division commander ran through all the regiments of the division, scattered at a considerable distance from each other.


Worked "Ventura" and as scouts. Re-equipment took place even in units, in the field. Instead of the rear lower machine-gun mount, a camera was installed, sometimes cameras were mounted in the bomb compartment. The rest of the bomb bay was usually occupied by fuel tanks.

Usually the functions of the cameraman were performed by the navigator (who, by the way, might not have been in the crew, his functions could have been performed by someone from the crew), or the cameras were controlled by a separate specialist, depending on the importance of the task.

Later, a separate version of the scout appeared, which was named "Harpoon". The wingspan was significantly increased, the tail area was increased, where only gas tanks could be installed, as a result of which the range increased to 2 km. The armament remained the same.

To increase the volume of the bomb bay, its doors were made convex, and now it was possible to hang more bombs or two unguided (but weighty) Tiny Tim missiles inside the bay.


"Harpoon" was slower than "Ventura" by 20-30 km / h, became a little less maneuverable. But the altitude increased, the car became easier to fly, especially when flying on one engine. It was necessary to significantly strengthen the power set of the wing, the aircraft of the first series were generally forbidden to dive, but as a result, half of the patrol divisions moved to the Harpoons.

"Ventura" and "Harpoons" took the most direct part in the final operations of the Second World War in the Pacific Ocean. They stormed the garrisons in the Philippines, the Kuriles, the Mariana Islands and even Japan itself.


One unique machine was used in the Mariana Islands. It was equipped with loudspeakers and tried to convince Japanese soldiers to surrender.

After the war, the Ventura became the primary patrol aircraft in the US Navy. It began to be replaced in 1947 by the more modern P2V-1 Neptune, created by the same team under the leadership of Wessell, but the Neptune was originally designed as a military aircraft.

The last "Ventura" and "Harpoons" were decommissioned in 1957, the aircraft were mainly in reserve and were sold and distributed to other countries. "Ventura" and "Harpoons" were in service with Portugal, Italy, France, the Netherlands, South Africa and Japan.

Some PV-2s flew until the mid-70s as transport and service.

A very peculiar plane. A dashing alteration that has lived a very interesting and rewarding life. But it could have become a passenger plane ...


LTH PV-2 "Ventura"

Wingspan, m: 19,96
Length, m: 15,67
Height, m: 3,63
Wing area, м2: 51,19

Weight, kg
- empty aircraft: 9 161
- maximum take-off: 14 096

Engine: 2 x Pratt Whitney R-2800-31 Double Wasp x 2000 hp
Maximum speed km / h: 518
Cruising speed, km / h: 390
Practical range, km: 2 389
Practical ceiling, m: 8 015

Crew, people: 4-5

Armament:
- two front fixed 12,7 mm machine guns;
- two 12,7 mm machine guns in the dorsal turret;
- two 12,7 mm machine guns under the fuselage;
- bombs weighing up to 1361 kg in the bomb bay or 6 x 147-kg depth charges or 1 torpedo.

A total of 3 aircraft of all modifications were produced
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  1. +33
    6 August 2021 18: 40
    Great article. Very literate, easy to read and well illustrated. My deepest gratitude to the author.
    1. +13
      6 August 2021 19: 31
      There is nothing to add!
    2. +3
      7 August 2021 01: 08
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Very literate, easy to read and well illustrated.

      Great illustrations in normal ones usually sign.
  2. +11
    6 August 2021 18: 46
    There is very little information about this plane on Wikipedia, apparently, no one was really involved.
    Ventura models are produced by several manufacturers. Here is from the "Orient Express", 423 rubles.

    Pay attention to the decals. In the upper left corner, a cat (apparently an American) catches up with a mouse that has thrown a gun - a hint of the Japanese.

    I think we can agree with this site in order to take samples of models for articles. Everyone will be happy, both sites and readers-modelers. good
    https://i-modelist.ru/
    1. +4
      6 August 2021 19: 03
      O! Carlson is back !!!
      1. +6
        6 August 2021 19: 48
        O! Carlson is back !!!

        Hello Minstrel Knight! drinks
        No, you know, on this site I ordered a bunch of models ... True, I haven't taken them for three months. recourse Delivered clearly, at a cost - models + CDEK. They bring me straight to the office. They have a really large selection, they have all the colors you need! Anton, it's really cool to paint ... Yes
        Let them agree - a solid profit! good drinks
        There are people on the site who are gluing - and they are pleased, and illustrations and so on. This is great! Shpakovsky, for example, when he had to write a book, he agreed with Zvezda about illustrations. bully
        But "Zvezda", although it is our leading manufacturer, unfortunately, does not have a very large selection. sad
        There is "Orient Express", there are Ukrainians - ICM. These seem to be molding according to old patterns; Serega Mikhailov once bought a BT-7A, he says he spit on it. But - inexpensive. I haven't glued it yet. hi
        The Japs are clearly sculpting their own or American ones, judging by what I saw. what
        But there are also interesting models there:


        Amodel 1/72 Aircraft Link-1A. TB-1 I-5
        It costs, however, more than 5000 rubles ... but for a month of work for an amateur! drinks
        1. +2
          6 August 2021 19: 58
          Fools are not knights! Our destiny is to sell ourselves for the "head ransom". Forgot Skalagrimsson?
          1. +1
            6 August 2021 20: 09
            Forgot Skalagrimsson?

            I don’t know him at all! belay
            Our destiny is to be sold for the "head ransom".

            Yes. Waiting for the ransom of my head. wassat For all the good...
            Fools are not knights!

            No, old man ... what Gilded armor will suit you better! drinks And leave the role of the jester to me ... bully
            1. +1
              6 August 2021 20: 21
              No, old man ..
              You called me an old man ....? crying
              1. +1
                6 August 2021 20: 44
                You called me an old man ....?

                I called you "the golden knight". Who you have always been to me ... hi
    2. +15
      6 August 2021 19: 03
      There is very little information about this plane on Wikipedia.
      Who used to fight for victory
      Let her sing with us:
      The one who is cheerful is the one who laughs
      Who wants to - he will achieve,
      Who seeks will always find!
      The remains of the aircraft on Shumshu are the vehicles of the naval bomber squadron VB-135 (at the end of the war the squadron was called the 135th naval patrol-bomber - VPB-135) under the command of Lieutenant Commander Mason, this was their area of ​​responsibility, so to speak.
      September 7, 1944 "Ventura" Lieutenants Mason and Sparks during the daytime raid on the island. Paramushir reached the target, hidden by dense clouds. Using airborne radars, they crossed the mountain range and found a gap in the clouds. Flying through it and finding themselves off the western coast of the island, the attack aircraft went straight to the Kukumabetsu airbase, entering from the side of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, from where they did not expect. The American habit of shooting first, and only then sorting it out, let down the excitement.

      Circling over the sea, Lieutenant Mason discovered a small Japanese vessel sailing from the west coast of Fr. Paramushir and fired three rounds at it from a course heavy machine gun from low level flight. He caught up with fear, laid several people on the deck ... It was a clear mistake - the enemy on the shore got time to repel the raid and the surprise factor was lost.
      Having dropped all 227 kg of aerial bombs on the target and photographing the results of the raid, Lieutenant Mason did not notice at the end of the harbor the positions of 20-mm anti-aircraft guns, which literally pierced his Ventura in a long burst from nose to tail. Mason was not ready for this turn of events. The pilot's face smelled of heat, and pieces of broken glass and wisps of smoke flew into the cockpit from the nose of the car ... Co-pilot and navigator Richard Hanlon was covered in blood, but radio operator Tiner got the most of all - the splinter hit him above his eye.
      Despite the damage, the plane remained in the air and after 6 hours they managed to reach their own. Before receiving the wounded Ventura, an ambulance was brought to the runway, firefighters were on standby. Ensing Hanlon and radio operator Tyner were sent to the hospital and later flew with their crew to the United States to reorganize.

      VB-135 suffered the most severe casualties of all Imperial Express squadrons, losing 12 aircraft and 10 crews. Five cars out of 10 were interned on the territory of Russia. During the period of active hostilities, the squadron flew 287 sorties. On account of the crews of the "Venture" were 8 Japanese aircraft shot down. Floyd Jacobsen turned out to be the most effective assassin-shooter of the squadron - on his account there were 3 Japanese ground-based fighters shot down. After returning to the United States, the VB-135 personnel of the VB-135 naval bomber squadron were granted a 30-day vacation.
      1. +16
        6 August 2021 19: 13
        Here's another interesting story about how Lt. Commander Thomas D. Davies' PV-1 Ventura of US Navy Patrol Squadron VB-129 met with U 604, Lieutenant Commander Horst Höltring near the Brazilian port of Salvador.
        Suddenly, an airplane appeared in the sky. It was the PV-1 Ventura bomber of Lieutenant Commander Thomas D. Davies of US Navy Patrol Squadron VB-129, which spotted U 14 10 miles away at 604:15. Probably, the opponents discovered each other at the same time, however, having time to dive, Chief Lieutenant Ashman for some reason ordered a 180 ° turn to repel the attack.

        The submarine quickly turned on the opposite course. The submariners took their places at the two anti-aircraft guns, opening fire when Davis's plane was four miles from the boat. The Ventura began shelling U 604 while approaching one mile. Machine-gun fire swept across the bridge of the boat like a lead tornado, suppressing anti-aircraft guns. Ashman and Lurtz were mortally wounded - the officer's jaw was torn off, the foreman was wounded in the stomach. The boat commander who jumped out onto the bridge received bullets in the arm and chest. While the Germans were pulling the wounded from the bridge into the central compartment, Davis dropped four depth charges in a chain, placing them across the boat. The first bomb in the series exploded with an undershoot of about 15 meters, the third and fourth - with a flight of about 35 and 65 meters from the side of U 604, but the second hit exactly the deck of the submarine. There was no immediate explosion, but it probably then rolled off the deck into the water and detonated at a predetermined depth of 7,5 meters, just below the keel. This can explain the explosion that the American pilots observed after the detonation of the first three bombs.
        1. +14
          6 August 2021 19: 14
          “After the boat had passed about 300 yards, gradually losing speed, a second explosion was seen between the wheelhouse and the stern (the explosion of a bomb # 2, rolled off the deck - author's note), throwing up about a 200-foot fountain of water. After the explosion, the boat sank on an even keel, continuing to slowly move forward (under water - author's note). Fuel oil spots and large air bubbles on the surface indicated a slow stroke and turn to the right. During the turn, the boat showed the wheelhouse from the water, and then seemed to sit down astern. A new series of bubbles marked further progress. Soon the stern appeared at a limiting angle on the surface, with the rudder and propellers coming out of the water. After staying in this position for about three minutes without running (the propellers did not rotate), the boat disappeared from sight, leaving a stain of fuel oil and air bubbles that continued to come out for about 15 minutes.
          A shot of U 604 from a Davis plane flying by a boat after a machine gun attack. The boat sinks on an even keel after a bomb exploded underneath (http://uboatarchive.net)
          1. +14
            6 August 2021 19: 17
            No further evidence of the destruction of the submarine was seen, although the plane remained in the attack area for another 2 hours and 20 minutes. Back at base, Davis wrote a report on the attack. After reviewing it, squadron commander Lieutenant Commander Jamie E. Jones considered the attack a success and the submarine "probably sunk." But the Americans were wrong - Höltring managed to leave. Curiously, the commander of U 604 on the same day, reporting to the headquarters of an air attack and requesting permission to return to base, reported that one of the aircraft's engines was set on fire by anti-aircraft fire, and, probably, the enemy was shot down. Thus, both participants in the battle considered each other destroyed.
            Here is the link if anyone is interested. there is about how already "Librarians have completed the case.
            1. +9
              6 August 2021 19: 32
              there is about how already "Librarians have completed the case.

              For the second time I ask the question - what is your name? .. I got used to good, knowledgeable, well-meaning people in VO to call by name. Your comments are very valuable, both for the site and for our common society. With respect, Nicholai. drinks
    3. Alf
      +5
      6 August 2021 20: 30
      Quote: Pane Kohanku
      I think we can agree with this site in order to take samples of models for articles.

      Isn't it easier to ask the local modelers? I think no one will refuse.
      P.S. Thus, it will be possible to drag through the heading about modeling, which gentlemen admins basically do not want to put.
      1. +5
        6 August 2021 20: 43
        Isn't it easier to ask the local modelers? I think no one will refuse.

        No, let the leaders agree. I just submitted an idea.
        Thus, it will be possible to drag through the heading about modeling, which gentlemen administrators, in principle, do not want to put.

        We are already here! Give us a reason to talk!
        The rubric should be filled with members. When there are a hundred of us, then they will open!
        So let's "expand" ourselves! The administration will meet halfway! good
        Here's the last thing I glued - Zero versus Tomahawk. drinks
        1. Alf
          +5
          6 August 2021 20: 46
          I understand that Ax Zvezdovsky?
          I will lay out my 3 Axes tomorrow, today it is already dark to take a picture.
          1. Alf
            +4
            7 August 2021 20: 01
            Quote: Alf
            I understand that Ax Zvezdovsky?
            I will lay out my 3 Axes tomorrow, today it is already dark to take a picture.

            As promised, the entire line of Hawks.
            1. P-36 Heller.
            2. P-40Ts Academy.
            3. P-40E Academy.
            4. P-40N Academy.



            1. +1
              8 August 2021 16: 35
              P-40TS Academy.

              I bow! The second - in the coloring of the Kuomintang? Class! good drinks
              1. Alf
                +1
                8 August 2021 22: 19
                Quote: Pan Kohanku
                P-40TS Academy.

                I bow! The second - in the coloring of the Kuomintang? Class! good drinks

                Thank you hi ! No, not the Kuomintang, this is Claire Chenno's famous Flying Tigers volunteer air group. Moreover, if -C is purely from this air group, the 76th Hell's Angels Squadron, then the next E is from the same unit, but at the time when the United States entered the war officially and the Tigers were rewritten to the 23rd air group.
          2. +1
            8 August 2021 16: 40
            I understand that Ax Zvezdovsky?

            I don't remember anymore. Either a "star" or a "modeler". Modeler - 50/50, somewhere the quality pleases, somewhere not very much. I haven’t glued foreign ones like "Revell" yet. I have a scale of 1/72 - there is nowhere else to put it! drinks
            1. Alf
              +2
              8 August 2021 22: 26
              Quote: Pan Kohanku
              I understand that Ax Zvezdovsky?

              I don't remember anymore. Either a "star" or a "modeler". Modeler - 50/50, somewhere the quality pleases, somewhere not very much. I haven’t glued foreign ones like "Revell" yet. I have a scale of 1/72 - there is nowhere else to put it! drinks

              You have a Star, number 333 is only on the star deck, besides, the deck is transparent, which, in principle, is not "gut". Modeling's P-40Ts is the Academy, only more affordable and with a better deck. I can tell you an interesting fact - your board 333 is an aircraft used only in the United States and for training purposes only. This is evidenced by a three-digit digital code of pure white color.
              Yeah, Revell wasn’t glued, but whose Japanese was it? Just Revell.
              1. +1
                9 August 2021 09: 31
                Yeah, Revell wasn’t glued, but whose Japanese was it? Just Revell.

                The box was from a "modeler". It turns out that the sprues are from "Revell"? By the way, I liked the quality.
                1. +1
                  9 August 2021 11: 31
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  The box was from a "modeler". It turns out that the sprues are from "Revell"? By the way, I liked the quality.

                  The modeler repackages a lot. True, I don't like their soundboards, at least when I took their extreme model. True, the repackaging of the ICM Tu-144, the deck itself in the trash, waited for Begemotovskaya for six months. But to be honest, the Modeler does not have such a masterpiece, so the packaging of cheap models ... Okay, the Eastern Express - although the quality is such that taking a couple of their models, I decided that it was better to make a homemade one ... Although there are admirable modellers who have made not a single model from VE, and in excellent quality.
                2. Alf
                  +2
                  9 August 2021 19: 47
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  The box was from a "modeler". It turns out that the sprues are from "Revell"? By the way, I liked the quality.

                  No, I'm sorry, I forgot. The academy was making Zero.
                  I admit my guilt
                  Measure, degree, depth.
                  And please send me
                  For the next war.
                  No war? I will take everything
                  Exile, hard labor, prison
                  But preferably in July
                  And, preferably, in the Crimea.
                  By the way, the Academy is my favorite company. In my opinion, the most optimal combination of price and quality.
                3. +1
                  20 August 2021 11: 39
                  The box was from a "modeler". It turns out that the sprues are from "Revell"? By the way, I liked the quality.

                  The "Modeler" repackaged the Academician A6M5s, not the "Revell".
        2. +6
          6 August 2021 21: 28
          Ha. Well done. Good heading idea. Totally agree!
          I found it at my place. A little pokotsan - glued together a long time ago feel

          Hawker Typhoon
        3. +3
          7 August 2021 12: 18
          Pane Kohanku (Pane Kohanku)
          It is better to photograph on a solid background. And in order to appreciate the work, indicate the scale and place an understandable trinket next to it, so that amateurs can imagine all the painstaking work ... Best regards!
      2. +3
        7 August 2021 01: 50
        Quote: Alf
        Isn't it easier to ask the local modelers? I think no one will refuse.
        P.S. Thus, it will be possible to drag through the heading about modeling, which gentlemen admins basically do not want to put.

        Like about two years ago, they were trying to launch something in this regard, but they did not even reach the embryo. And on the other hand, there are a bunch of modeling sites where people post their models, why else would you fence a fence here? I am on one of these "registered" enough for me to upload my models there.




        On the Rock, I told you what these models are, what you need to do with them in order to get the device "declared on the box".
        1. +3
          7 August 2021 02: 03
          Or will we start to conduct something similar here too?


          From the process of opening the box, the whole process of making a model. Or like I made a model

          Just boast about the type I collected, then like, and I bought this one, but what's the point? After all, this is not a model site, there will be enough of what Roma writes about aviation. hi
        2. Alf
          +2
          7 August 2021 19: 52
          Quote: Fitter65
          On the other hand, there are a bunch of modeling sites where people post their models,

          And the interested person should shovel the whole bunch of model sites? By the way, to look at them you need to register. Very comfortably".
          1. +1
            8 August 2021 23: 57
            Quote: Alf
            And the interested person should shovel the whole bunch of model sites? By the way, to look at them you need to register. Very comfortably".

            To register, not to register is whichever you want. But then what do you want to open? Affiliate of the Model Site? The goals of this affiliate? To tell about the latest in the model world, about the construction of a model, or just lay out the boxes - see what I got? I cannot understand the very purpose of creating this direction in VO. For lovers it, as far as it is necessary, for modelers who have enough specialized sites in the subject. And at the expense of shoveling a bunch of model sites ... If I need information on an aircraft when building a model, do you really think I have enough of Romina's reprints on VO? We have to shovel a bunch of sites, people turn to people, but how else?
            1. +1
              9 August 2021 00: 11
              Quote: Alf
              And the interested person should shovel the whole bunch of model sites?

              I will not continue the topic much. Again, how do you think to talk about models, everything is in a heap. Reagents, planes of the 30s and whatnots of the 1st World War, as well as armor and ships, or is it all separately? We also arrange everything according to countries and design bureaus and firms - or is it all in one lump? So your hope that everything is in one place at once will not work ...
            2. Alf
              +3
              9 August 2021 19: 50
              Quote: Fitter65
              But then what do you want to open? Affiliate of the Model Site? The goals of this affiliate? To tell about the latest in the model world, about the construction of a model, or just lay out the boxes - see what I got?

              Not what I acquired, but simply to boast of what I created with my own hands. And without the perversions of "true" modelers, who are ready to cut the whole model for an extra millimeter.
              1. +1
                10 August 2021 00: 04
                Quote: Alf
                Not what I acquired, but simply to boast of what I created with my own hands. And without the perversions of "true" modelers, who are ready to cut the whole model for an extra millimeter.

                "True modelers" they are also different, except for a cut because of "extra millimeters" there is also a color, and a lot of other things. Again, if the model looks like itself only in name. but there is no choice, then the question is to cut - not even worth cutting. Or, for example, I wanted to put on a Su-17 or Su-17M2 regiment, but they are not being produced on a 48 scale. Again, there is "Karopka" for boasting, because even the options "for boasting what I have collected" should be subdivided, because someone collects 1 world, someone everything in a row, someone only reagents in the 48th, or 32, who -that armor. someone ships. and eo all in one heap. As usual, one boasted another criticized, a dispute ensued with what to argue? Correctly photo, technical description documents ... So everything is not as simple as it seems.
    4. +3
      7 August 2021 01: 36
      Quote: Pane Kohanku
      There is very little information about this plane on Wikipedia, apparently, no one was really involved.

      I don't know about Wikipedia, but back in 1995 there was such an edition

      This is in Russian, there are even captions under the photo. there was also such an English-speaking
      And why did you decide that Wikipedia is the ultimate truth? Is it difficult to enter the "Corner of Heaven"? Over here http://www.airwar.ru/enc/sww2/pv.html Aviation of the second world https://airpages.ru/us/ventura.shtml
      Quote: Pane Kohanku
      Ventura models are produced by several manufacturers. Here is from the "Orient Express", 423 rubles.

      The Ventura aircraft model was produced in Soviet times by the NOVO / FROG company.
      This model is in boxes with its own logo and "Vostochny Express" and "ARK", and some of them instead of the NOVO logo imprinted their own, and the design of the box remains so new. And about the model itself - If in the 70s and 80s it was "naura" - now this model, made according to the technologies of the 60s, is for an exotic lover. Better to overpay and take either REVEL, or Akademovskaya. And the quality of the model is several orders of magnitude higher, and the decals in the water will not creep when trying to transfer them to the model. And the instructions for assembling the model, all the color options are written - who, when, where and how he flew on this plane.
      1. Alf
        +1
        7 August 2021 19: 57
        Quote: Fitter65
        or Akademovskaya.

        And get the same NEW, only with an inner cut and twice as expensive?
        Quote: Fitter65
        yes, decals in the water will not creep when trying to transfer them to the model.

        But it's better not to mention the Akademievskie decks at night, I haven't seen such a nightmare for a long time.
        Usually when I buy an Academy, the first thing I do is throw away the decks. They are rigid and brilliant. I use Traverse instead.
        By the way, my Ventura, for the appearance I ask you not to kick too much, was going to 1994.
      2. +1
        8 August 2021 17: 35
        Better to overpay and take either REVEL, or Akademovskaya. And the quality of the model is several orders of magnitude higher, and the decals in the water will not creep when trying to transfer them to the model. And the instructions for assembling the model, all color options are written - who, when, where and how he flew on this plane.

        Here, Alexander, you are probably right in terms of quality.
        Domestic decals are really spreading ... sad
        But there is also a matter of taste! stop
        Simply - my example. Amateur. I decided to glue the model. For example, I need domestic planes of the 30-40th scale 1/72. drinks
        We go in:
        https://i-modelist.ru/catalog/model/aviacija/revell.html?s%5Bname%5D=&s%5Bprice_to%5D=&s%5Bprice_from%5D=&s%5Bmanuf_id%5D=&s%5Bart%5D=&s%5Bavail%5D=&s%5Bscale_id%5D=3

        There are no such! "Revell" on such a scale produces only Western aircraft, moreover, those that are not suitable for my collection for years.
        Yes, the quality, I'm sure, is good ... Not for me! That's all!
        Therefore, you have to use other manufacturers. They also have a higher number of models ...

        Here. It was not painted. I just put it together. Painted the next ones! drinks
        1. Alf
          +1
          8 August 2021 22: 31
          Quote: Pane Kohanku
          Domestic decals are really spreading ...

          If we take the typesetting, then Yes, but if we take the individual ones? I use Rostov Travers. Gorgeous decks, some of them have been lying for 20 YEARS and even henna! Matte, thin, strong, and if you also burn with alcohol ... You burn the soundboards, not what you thought. laughing
          1. +1
            10 August 2021 12: 01
            Quote: Alf
            If you take the typesetting, then Yes, but if you take the individual ones? I use Rostov Travers.

            Traverse ... Honestly speaking, I have already forgotten that such an organization existed. Now practically "Behemoth is our everything." And to weld decals with alcohol in the presence of model chemistry, you can raise the paint and put the decal on end, no-e-alcohol is no longer camilfo.
            1. Alf
              +1
              10 August 2021 20: 00
              Quote: Fitter65
              Traverse ... Honestly speaking, I have already forgotten that such an organization existed. Now it is practically "Hippopotamus is our everything."

              Such Behemoth is the aged Traverse.
              Quote: Fitter65
              nooo alcohol is no longer camilfo.

              Well, you can burn with micro-salt, however, it is based on the same alcohol ...
              Quote: Fitter65
              Dec.
              put al on end

              The traverse does not put, on the contrary, the deck is welded so that it becomes indistinguishable from the paint.
              Look at my Axes above, high resolution photo.
              1. 0
                11 August 2021 00: 16
                Quote: Alf
                Look at my Axes above, high resolution photo.

                I have seen. and about Traverse who became a Behemoth, too, in the know. It's just that it was like this for a long time. Somewhere Traversrvskie decks are also in the bins at 72. Alcohol, in principle, is the basis of all model chemistry, especially considering that many have switched from enamels to acrylics. In general, I have been using technical alcohol instead of the branded solvent for Tamia for 15 years at least. With the traverse, I had a case a long time ago, as soon as it appeared, I transferred to Avenger OZ, I also welded it with alcohol, and at first my soundboard wrinkled, I gently smoothed it, but after it dried out, it rose up all over, and crumbled out of a little sadness. the rest of the OZ without alcohol pyreduced, but after drying it also crumbled. But here there are options, in the light of the past years, it is quite possible that the marriage just got caught. The super-duper GWH, the latest model of the Su-27S, has complaints about the cruel behavior, so anything is possible. As they say, when everything is not well remembered, but how the flaw got out will be remembered all life. hi
                1. Alf
                  +1
                  11 August 2021 19: 48
                  Quote: Fitter65
                  it is possible that the marriage just got caught

                  This is "lucky" for you. request
        2. +1
          10 August 2021 11: 58
          Quote: Pane Kohanku
          Simply - my example. Amateur. I decided to glue the model. For example, I need domestic planes of the 30-40th scale 1/72

          There is an easier option, just type the name for example model of SB-2 aircraft on a scale of 1:72 and see the result, I really did last time SB in 72, only Novovsky took it back in the days of the USSR. SB is me purely as an example.
          1. 0
            10 August 2021 13: 07
            SB is me purely as an example.

            That yes Yes But I have not glued the IL-2 yet! Then I'll take on the twin-engine ones. drinks And about three months ago I began to glue the "curtain" from the "modeler", spit on it, put the half-done one aside ... and did not do it anymore! recourse
            1. +1
              10 August 2021 15: 31
              I don’t know about Storh from the Modeler, whose model it was originally. For more than 25 years now, I have switched to 48, and I have limited myself to two topics. Reagents of the USSR and aviation of the Eastern Front. True, from the old "covetousness" remained some of the main fighters of the US Air Force in World War II, a couple of British and one Frenchman. There is simply no time to embrace the embarrassing one. A month and a half ago, I finally finished the Su-2 from Zvezda, which I took when it first appeared. and now it is not a novelty for a long time. Modelsvit said that the Yak-9D will soon appear on sale, and Modelsvit's Yaki is a thing. True, for the sake of relaxation, I buy "Passengers" from the Zvezda 144m, But there are also some underdeveloped ... And how much more must be done from what is in the bins ... what
          2. Alf
            0
            10 August 2021 20: 01
            Quote: Fitter65
            model of SB-2 aircraft on a scale of 1:72 and see the result

            No need for a nightmare ...
            1. 0
              11 August 2021 00: 18
              Quote: Alf
              No need for a nightmare ...

              Well, what are you so at once. A normal model for its time. In general, I had it in a Finnish box where there was a version of the Lufwaffe coloring! good
              1. Alf
                0
                11 August 2021 19: 45
                Quote: Fitter65
                Well, cho you so immediately.

                This I also put it tolerantly ...
                Quote: Fitter65
                A normal model for its time.

                I don't see anything normal in this model. One wild line covers everything. 1969 model. In the same year, that IMA released Widow, Pioneer, Southern Cross, Hurricane, Shark, Lysander. The difference is heaven and earth.
                By the way, on the Frog's box SB-2 is bombing the T-62.

                By the way, the NOVOV version of the box with crosses was quite rare.
                1. 0
                  12 August 2021 00: 11
                  Quote: Alf
                  By the way, the NOVOV version of the box with crosses was quite rare.

                  so for one box in Noovosibirsk on Birch Grove, the price of just a box reached 25 rubles.
                  Quote: Alf
                  I don't see anything normal in this model. One wild line covers everything. 1969 model.

                  Well, after all, 1969, this is not 1995, and not 2010/20. Novovskaya Widow, let's say, was not much better in quality than SB, and Lysander was also happy when assembling. But as they say, in the absence of a maid, I had to use a cook laughing laughing laughing About vakuhi, it was such a happiness ... at 91 I remember on Birch in Novosibirsk I bought an F-15A from Hasegawa for 150r, so when I came from vacation with him people were already shaking looking at the box. And the Phantom from Testor (all 72nd) ... oh don't even talk. This is now the Su-27 from KN I do not want, HB-sucks, here's GWH. A cabin, niches or an engine to do it yourself? yes you what to buy resin or etching, and if the cabin is not from Quinta, then this is no longer a model. Other times, different needs. now no one else will remember how people changed the airbrush to the B-17, and the Minsk Spitfire was cut into Messerschmitt ... hi drinks drinks
    5. +3
      7 August 2021 07: 35
      Weird! The article was in * Wings of the Motherland * back in 1995! special issue for the anniversary of the Victory
  3. +4
    6 August 2021 18: 51
    many American cars (not only Ventura) got a ticket to the sky thanks to powerful motors, unfortunately they only had an ash-82fn
    1. Alf
      +5
      6 August 2021 20: 33
      Quote: Ryaruav
      many American cars (not only Ventura) got a ticket to the sky thanks to powerful motors, unfortunately they only had an ash-82fn

      Yes, already in 41, the minders gave a dvigun in 2000 mares.
  4. +7
    6 August 2021 21: 04
    Interesting article. It's a pity there is no photo of Ventura with Soviet stars.
  5. Alf
    +3
    6 August 2021 21: 28
    Roman, you are wrong!
    1.
    and B-34 steel PV-2.

    The B-34 is not a PV-2. It was this option that was named Ventura. It was very different from the B-34. "Deaf" nose, radar ASD-1, pylons for "payload", the plane became 5-seater.
    2.
    Later, a separate version of the scout appeared, which was named "Harpoon"

    The Harpoon is not a Scout variant, it is the next modification. The reasons for the appearance are the close bomb bay PV-1, a short range for operations over the Pacific, and a high landing speed. And it was this modification that was named Loсkheed PV-2 Harpoon.
    1. +1
      8 August 2021 16: 42
      Loсheed PV-2 Harpoon

      Here I will join. The plane did have several modifications, and in the "modeling business" it goes under different names. No offense! stop
  6. +6
    6 August 2021 22: 27
    Very good article. I read it with pleasure.
    And more recently .... someone "discouraged" Roman from writing about aviation.
    We will not point a finger, but for some reason I remember an anecdote about beating on the “brazen red face”. laughing
    1. +2
      7 August 2021 10: 48
      Quote: KSVK
      Very good article. I read it with pleasure.
      And more recently .... someone "discouraged" Roman from writing about aviation.
      We will not point a finger, but for some reason I remember an anecdote about beating on the “brazen red face”. laughing

      Yes, show me the problems. I still say that it would be better if the novel did not write about aviation. or if he reprints his "gag" so he would not stick it into the article. maybe then it would be possible to read.
  7. 0
    7 August 2021 05: 43
    Hello! Roman Skomorokhov, writes articles in a very interesting and accessible language, it is difficult to tear yourself away from reading. Thank you for your articles, Roman, I will look forward to new ones.
    1. +2
      7 August 2021 10: 51
      Quote: Sergey028
      Hello! Roman Skomorokhov, writes articles in a very interesting and accessible language, it is difficult to tear yourself away from reading. Thank you for your articles, Roman, I will look forward to new ones.

      If the original, that is, the original source, you do not know where to look, or if there are no normal materials then ... No, it's better to look for the original than to read a reprint from Roman.
  8. +1
    7 August 2021 07: 32
    the model came across the year in 1991. I fell in love with this plane immediately and for life! he is beautiful for himself, and even a model made of bright yellow plastic!
  9. +1
    7 August 2021 11: 01
    Thank you, Roman, for your articles. Every time, both interesting and entertaining, thanks to your writing style. The day becomes more fun if the next issue of "Combat ..." by Skomorokhov has been released.
  10. +5
    7 August 2021 11: 07
    Copy-paste from the site Corner of the sky.
    1. +5
      7 August 2021 16: 03
      Quote: dgonni
      Copy-paste from the site Corner of the sky.

      And with such "gag" that you understand IN is not the same !!!! laughing laughing good good
  11. +1
    7 August 2021 16: 36
    A very good illustration of how great it is to be rich and healthy and have a powerful economy.
    Eh, such a plane, yes, ours would ...
  12. +1
    7 August 2021 16: 37
    Quote: Fitter65
    There is no better looking for the original than reading a reprint from Roman.

    Show where the original is. So far, only your words
    1. +2
      7 August 2021 17: 09
      Here is the original! (http://www.airwar.ru/enc/sww2/pv.html)
  13. +1
    7 August 2021 17: 54
    Quote: dgonni
    Here is the original!

    Thanks. It's a pity that air is still not mobile-friendly.
  14. +1
    7 August 2021 21: 36
    Yes, a great article. Only about NURS "Timi Tim" they wrote, and in the photo the suspension of three homing anti-ship gliding bombs ASM-N-2 Bat. I would like to read about this version of Ventura / Harpoon ...
  15. +1
    8 August 2021 16: 47
    Well written, read with interest, there are no tedious enumerations of technical nuances of aircraft design or modification. The author has an unambiguously positive assessment.
  16. 0
    15 August 2021 14: 32
    "members of the landing force, unprotected" - strong! :)
  17. 0
    15 August 2021 14: 45
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    Very literate

    Technically, it is possible.

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