Why are we so poor when we got so rich

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Why are we so poor when we got so rich

For the first time in positive territory


In the last days of July, Rosstat, not without pathos and even claims to victorious reports, said that for the first time during a pandemic in the second quarter of 2021, an increase in the real incomes of Russians was recorded. In annual terms, our dear readers, our income has grown by as much as 6,8 percent.

This is more than inflation and even more than the key rate of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which it is unclear why it was recently raised immediately by a percentage - up to 6,5% per annum. I have big doubts that in this way they are trying to restrict access to money to those who before that they got it almost for free.



How they get to the majority of ordinary citizens, I will try to tell not now, but in one of my next comments. In the meantime, let me remind you of a decrease in citizens' incomes in the three quarters of 2020, and in the first quarter of this year - by 3,7 percent.

So we have just begun to return what the pandemic took away from us and everything connected with it. At the moment, those very real disposable incomes of the population are still 0,8 percent lower than the same period in 2019. Feels like, you see, things are even worse.

Let me remind you the wording from textbooks on economics - "real disposable income" - this is "all consumer income minus mandatory expenses, adjusted for inflation." But do not forget, too, that the 6,8 percent increase mentioned is too unevenly distributed.

Most of it is taken by 20% of workers with already high earnings, and the remaining 80% of potential recipients account for less than half of the total increase. And this is by no means my inventions, this is, again, data from Rosstat and sociologists who lie, in fact, only by order.


Why is everything wrong


Why are we only getting richer on paper and not in real life? The Central Bank, the very one that for some reason raised lending rates, but is not able to force banks to raise rates on deposits, they say that people are gaining too many loans.

A lot in the sense that there is practically nothing to give to the majority. Income does not allow. It is difficult to understand why, then, banks give such loans? And they give willingly. And isn't that why the Central Bank has raised its rate almost to the skies? To get into loans discouraged?

However, in our most important credit institution, they prefer softer, streamlined and, frankly, sometimes tricky wording. The growth of lending, it turns out, in Russia "is not supported by the expansion of production." And this can "lead to a drop in the incomes of Russians."

And all because the public's debt burden "contributes to the separation of the value of goods and assets from fundamental factors." And also - "the acceleration of inflation, a drop in economic growth and real incomes of citizens."

With the incomes of the people, the situation was, according to official statistics, something like this.

On average, this is 35,7 thousand rubles per month. But even here, 20% of Russians have an average income of 82,5 thousand rubles, while the remaining 80% have a little more than 20 thousand. And a fifth of our citizens are generally forced to work hard for a monthly salary of 10 thousand rubles or less.

Polls and questions


Believing sociological polls is the lot of the most naive. However, they are sometimes able to tell the cruel truth. The only problem is who and how to ask. The so-called representative sample - that is, an attempt to form truly objective assessments, this is still all right.

But with the posing of questions, the situation is at all what is called - to the envy of enemies. The pandemic has driven many into the grave, but into a corner - just so many. And now you have to somehow live with it. Or survive. The latter is much more likely.

At least three quarters of Russians, as before, that is, before Covid-19 with a dubious pandemic, live, or rather exist, just "on the brink of survival." Statistical data ruthlessly state that 75,7% of Russian households have big problems with the acquisition of basic necessities.

The overwhelming majority of Russians manage to make ends meet almost by a miracle. However, readers will be surprised that before all the coronavirus nightmares, there were no fewer such compatriots with problems.

A similar survey in 2018 gave an indicator of 79,5% for the number of families who had difficulty buying basic necessities, as well as paying for utilities. And five years ago - in 2016, there were even more such households - 84,6%.

However, after getting acquainted with the questions that were asked by the extras five and three years ago, and now, the conclusion suggests itself - people have not forgotten how to be poor in Russia.

Readers have the right to ask: why am I so cruel to my compatriots?

And because when they are asked about how much they really need to live "no worse than people", the numbers are very confusing.

Why?

Yes, because they do not really struggle with the real incomes of the majority of residents, not only of the capitals, but also of the “impoverished” hinterland. We have already said about income, about expenses - a little lower, but about surprisingly modest requests here and now.

Life has become no better, but at least more fun


Russian households need at least 61 thousand rubles to make ends meet. Agree, not so much. And only 2,5 thousand more than a couple of years ago, that is, shortly before the pandemic. In order to calculate such amounts, the same Rosstat conducted another large-scale and, of course, absolutely representative survey.

Neither I myself nor the readers, or rather, the overwhelming majority of them, in this poll, I have no doubt, did not participate. Who - yes, let him confess in the comments. But it's not even about that, but about how the questions were formulated.

Rosstat experts asked questions that ultimately boil down to how much the respondents themselves assess the ability to make ends meet. It is interesting that last fall, as soon as the people sighed a little after all the lockdowns and quarantines, the people wanted to have at least 60,9 thousand rubles of income.

As you can see, the growth in requests among the mass of the population is minimal. Even in a pandemic, compared to 2018, when the average amount of “minimum desires” was 58,5 thousand rubles, people wanted more - by two and a half thousand rubles at once.

It seems that everything was deliberately calculated so that the total amounts were just modest and turned out. To report to the top that if living at the peak of the fight against Covid-19 and not getting better, then certainly - more fun.

Is inflation to blame or Covid?


Nevertheless, today you can hear the cruel but truth from Rosstat. Thus, it is reported that in June 2021, the real size of the average monthly pension, adjusted for inflation, in Russia decreased by 0,8% compared to June last year.


Of course, irresistible inflation led to such an unpleasant result. Due to the disruption of business ties caused by the pandemic and the measures taken against it, a lot of goods are now turning into a shortage, which allows retail chains to shamelessly raise prices.

In addition, the downright rise in fuel prices and the increase in utility tariffs are also affecting. The authorities are looking for means to fulfill their social obligations, to which they are also prompted by the upcoming elections in the fall.

Pensions have actually been declining for several months, although Rosstat has said so directly about this for almost the first time. Back in January, there was an increase of 0,4 percent. But already in February, the figure was minus 0,1%, in March there was a decrease by 0,2%, in April and May - by 0,1% each, but it seemed that it was already impossible to hush up the June jump.

And the fact that at the same time, in nominal terms, the average pension has grown quite noticeably - by 5,6% compared to June 2020, reaching 15 rubles, in fact, does not change anything.

Poverty rolls over the older generation like a cruel inevitability. And this is after the pension reform, advertised as an equally inevitable necessity, and for some - and the "great blessing" of the pension reform.


Are we not the poorest?


Is it worth it, after such admissions from Rosstat, to be surprised that, according to the calculations of analysts at Credit Suisse, cited in the annual Global Wealth Report, last year Russia was in the top five countries in terms of the rate of decline in the well-being of people.

However, only 50 of the world's largest economies were considered. Nevertheless, the figures of the Swiss experts cannot fail to impress. And to be honest, they even scare.

For example, over the past year alone, the welfare of Russian households decreased by 338 billion - not rubles, but dollars. This is in nominal terms. According to this indicator, Russia is second only to India and Brazil, where the total losses very noticeably exceed half a trillion dollars - minus 594 billion and 839 billion.

At the same time, Russians are getting poorer not only greatly, but also quickly - by almost 10 percent every year. But is it worth worrying if Brazilians get poorer annually by 23 percent, and in the United Arab Emirates, citizens lose 13,1 percent of their income each year? Only here the starting positions of the latter, it seems, are by no means the same as those of the Russians?
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  1. +18
    5 August 2021 15: 05
    When money depreciates, someone becomes poorer and someone is richer, exactly by the amount of the lost purchasing power of money.
    1. +13
      5 August 2021 15: 25
      Quote: aybolyt678
      When money depreciates, someone becomes poorer and someone is richer, exactly by the amount of the lost purchasing power of money.

      Do not forget to add - "in a capitalist country."
      1. +11
        5 August 2021 21: 13
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Do not forget to add - "in a capitalist country."

        For some reason, the confidence is growing that if people do not build Communism, then Humanity will not exist.
        1. +12
          6 August 2021 11: 20
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Do not forget to add - "in a capitalist country."

          For some reason, the confidence is growing that if people do not build Communism, then Humanity will not exist.

          I can dispel your "why", clearly indicating why) It's simple. Since the beginning of the 20th century, humanity has developed its technologies to such an extent that the unconditional factors of restrictions have ceased to operate. That is, earlier, if you mismanaged, then your population began to die out, and then either a riot followed, which demolished an unfit state formation, or the state simply died out, or the war destroyed it by the hands of external enemies.
          However, in the 20th century, production has become so powerful, and science so reasonable, that huge mistakes in management and outright dead ends of development have ceased to be punished so severely. At the moment when the child can no longer be smacked in the ass with a heavy belt, he must grow up - he himself begin to limit himself and work out the strategy and tactics of his development himself. That is, the development of mankind had to change from forced by external conditions to controlled by reason. That did not happen.
          The only country in the world that tried to translate its development on a reasonable track was strangled by others who want to continue the childish carelessness - the predatory plunder of the world's resources to wage a carefree fight between everyone and everyone for golden toilets. The golden toilet is an idol, goal and ideal of modern civilization.
          Since the forces of mankind are becoming more and more, and its management system remains at the level of an evil, mindless five-year plan, the affairs of mankind are getting worse. And yes, soon our civilization will simply end ...
          1. -1
            6 August 2021 19: 58
            Quote: Mikhail3
            And yes, soon our civilization will simply end ...

            as Comrade Lenin said - Communists are obliged to use all the knowledge that mankind has developed.
            Communism, from the point of view of biology, is just a modified herd instinct.
            When an Arctic fox creeps up to Humanity, or what remains of it, and everyone's joint efforts are required to survive, it will unite
            1. +8
              6 August 2021 20: 19
              No, this most likely will not happen. You seem to be one of those people who hope that "it is itself." Alas, by itself, that is, under the influence of external threatening factors, nothing will come of it. Communism is not a regression under the influence of external pressure, but the pinnacle of the progress of consciousness.
              Under the influence of unfavorable external conditions, people brought up by the current reality will begin to snatch the remaining resources from each other, arrange a fight for them, and finally destroy all chances of survival. This has happened countless times before. How many extinct settlements have been found ...
              1. +1
                6 August 2021 20: 36
                Quote: Mikhail3
                Communism is not a regression under the influence of external pressure, but the pinnacle of the progress of consciousness.

                It regresses precisely because of the absence of external pressure. We had a poster in our Latin classroom: Necessity sharpens the mind!
                The pinnacle of the progress of consciousness today could be an attempt to look at least a couple of generations ahead.
                And then, I believe that Communism is not a murderously boring glamorous society of universal equality in which women go crazy with the impossibility of standing out laughing(they have such an instinct) and in the conditions of built socialism, the activities of a group of especially conscious people in the interests of mankind, for example, the conquest of the Cosmos or activities to modernize our planet ...
                I would advise you to watch a couple of videos by Professor Sergei Savelyev about brain sorting.
                1. +6
                  7 August 2021 09: 46
                  You have a miserable placard. Funny. "When a person knows that he will be hanged in a week, it helps him to concentrate very well!" This is what should have been brought out in a prominent place) You are thinking in a completely correct direction, but the idea itself has not yet been formulated. I'll help a little.
                  The understanding of "communism" described by you is the pinnacle of the production of the brains of the fool-Khrushchev. Yes, yes, alas, the fact that this man was a fool did not prevent him from seizing power among the overworked smart people. Almost a copy of our "revolution of idiots", which we call Perestroika. Only perestroika is much more ambitious, of course, the dolboklyui came to power as a class that was not noticed by the squeamish Marx. A class of fool-thief-bandits. Okay, about communism.
                  Communism is most closely described by Efremov. A society of powerful, extremely developed physically and especially mentally workers. People, without exception, busy solving problems on the brink of their capabilities. Those who live to the fullest, understanding such a life as the ultimate self-realization of the highest functions of the mind and spirit. The fact that they have no time for stupid purchases of some things, there is no problem with food, since they are hungry, for a real communist it goes without saying.
                  And Khrushchev considered this to be communism) And our dolbaks, who seized power in 91, too. That communism is a mountain of things and food, into which everyone can dive for their own pleasure. And all these speculators in jeans and theater tickets were terribly worried - well, how will it come true ?! There is no place for them in Khrushchev's communism))
                  But now they are power. Small speculators with billions of dollars and access to nuclear weapons. Still remaining small speculators. Gref is out of his way - he is trying to educate a generation of slaves for himself, breaking the Soviet education system ...
                2. +3
                  7 August 2021 09: 55
                  And, yes, brain sorting, with freshly hatched professors of sour cabbage soup) First of all, I'm already an adult, and I don't need videos. Why is that? Do you know why there are margins on book pages? Second, be curious about what "homonoya" is. This is the idea of ​​an old Greek ...
                  1. -1
                    7 August 2021 10: 42
                    Quote: Mikhail3
                    Ah, yes, brain sorting, with freshly hatched sour cabbage professors

                    Despite the rare solidarity with your thoughts, I will intercede for Professor Savelyev, he is a product of Soviet science.
                    1. +4
                      7 August 2021 10: 45
                      For God's sake) I'm just not very interested. I'm afraid I'll find another fascist there. How many people take the high combinatorial capabilities of their brain for a high intelligence, and on this basis demand preferences for themselves and others, "not so smart", a slave collar ... Yes, even if you start with Kasparov)
                      1. 0
                        7 August 2021 11: 36
                        Quote: Mikhail3
                        and on this basis demand preferences for themselves and for others, "not so smart", a slave collar ... Yes, even start with Kasparov)

                        the main thing is not even the mind, but the ability to strangle oneself for the sake of others, almost like in a family
                      2. +3
                        7 August 2021 12: 19
                        O! That's right! No wonder most bourgeois management textbooks are devoted to "team building and motivation." And all these tutorials are sophisticated in how to rally a team to extract as much profit as possible for someone else's uncle. Collectivism of deception and exploitation.
                        That is why communism is hateful. Gift of the Wind works for all people, does not spare itself. And you can’t eat him at all on a crooked goat, so that he would try on some Rotenberg).
                  2. -1
                    7 August 2021 10: 48
                    in addition, I will stand up for the poster, he strongly motivated me, for example, for advanced studies ...
                    as for the gallows, the loop deprives the motivation for development, the example is unsuccessful
                    BUT! the loop stimulates the motivation to escape !!! it's good here laughing
        2. +6
          6 August 2021 15: 55
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Do not forget to add - "in a capitalist country."

          For some reason, the confidence is growing that if people do not build Communism, then Humanity will not exist.

          The cigarettes that I smoke six months ago cost 95 rubles, and now they cost 129 rubles: they have risen in price by 35%. And inflation was 5%.
          It doesn't matter how they vote - it matters how they count.
          1. 0
            9 August 2021 13: 17
            Quote: Bearded
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Do not forget to add - "in a capitalist country."

            For some reason, the confidence is growing that if people do not build Communism, then Humanity will not exist.

            The cigarettes that I smoke six months ago cost 95 rubles, and now they cost 129 rubles: they have risen in price by 35%. And inflation was 5%.
            It doesn't matter how they vote - it matters how they count.

            The state has embarked on a course to improve the nation's health. The excise tax on cigarettes has been increased. Smokers should die naturally. You yourself do not mind 3000 rubles a month for poison?
            1. +1
              9 August 2021 14: 26
              First, the government allows the production and sale of poison made from anything other than tobacco, including acetone. Which you get addicted to like a drug. And then she cuts the coupons with excise taxes. What about vipers and all kinds of electronic cigarettes? Where is the Ministry of Health Care? And what about the nicotine gum that kids used to poison? It’s good at least they banned the sale of spice in tobacco. This is a synthetic drug. And how did it appear in the tobacco? All this concern for the health of the nation is populist nonsense. The main thing is to tear off more money from the people.
        3. 0
          8 August 2021 07: 48
          Quote: aybolyt678
          For some reason, the confidence is growing that if people do not build Communism, then Humanity will not exist.

          For some reason, some are always sure that they know better the thoughts of their opponents than they do ... yeah ... so you seem smarter to yourself ...

          And maybe this is why it is "getting stronger" because, judging by the negative global processes, by the threat of global wars, by the coming true scenarios of "dystopias" in a world where the main bourgeoisie of all countries have long been united, but the proletarians are not, this confidence is quite logical.

          It is "getting stronger" that if "in a single country" this continues for another 30 years, the number of Russians will be less than 50% of the population. And then there will be no "at all" either. And I don't see anything strange in this confidence. In the USSR, the number of Russians in peacetime has always grown, look on the Web at least even modern data on the demography of Russia.

          Personally, I have always had the confidence that one should not consider oneself smarter than opponents and at the same time - Marx and Lenin and believe that the problems of the people are from their ideas on a global scale or from the book "Capital" written in the 19th century. There is enough simplicity for every sage. It is enough to understand that the people's problems stem from their own grandiose thieves and bandits
      2. -2
        5 August 2021 22: 34
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Quote: aybolyt678
        When money depreciates, someone becomes poorer and someone is richer, exactly by the amount of the lost purchasing power of money.

        Do not forget to add - "in a capitalist country."

        We have no non-capitalist countries now ... sad worse is the other - they are robbing Russia by inflation, the countries issuing green paper, for quantitative easing, so to speak .... what does our state do in response ??? - NOTHING!!! where is the joint responsibility ???
        1. +6
          6 August 2021 17: 51
          So we live so badly because of the Americans? Putin and nothing to do with? Stop watching the central channels, or you will become an idiot.
          1. +1
            6 August 2021 20: 04
            Quote: zontov79
            So we live so badly because of the Americans? Putin and nothing to do with? Stop watching the central channels, or you will become an idiot.

            what are you, what are you !!! did you carefully read what I wrote? -
            Quote: aybolyt678
            what does our state do in response ??? - NOTHING!!! where is the joint responsibility ???

            In our society, the tendencies of violation of the social contract are growing, and naturally the head of state bears personal responsibility for this.
            please read carefully fool
      3. 0
        5 August 2021 23: 38
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Do not forget to add - "in a capitalist country."

        I just thought about it and I will say that not the entire capitalist system is to blame, but the excessive power of finance capital
        1. +18
          6 August 2021 04: 05
          Quote: aybolyt678
          I just thought about it and I will say that not the entire capitalist system is to blame, but the excessive power of finance capital

          But I think that the Russian tax legislation is to blame for everything, which allows you to tear three skins from production (factory, factory) and turn a blind eye to trade speculative and banking speculative activities. That is why the country is engaged in buying and selling with an increase in GDP. But of course. Resell the same product ten times - how much will it cost in the end?
          And the state institutions are also to blame, which allowed the former people's property of the Soviet Union, created by the labor of the peoples of the USSR, to be pilfered into private pockets. Someone will object to this? Businessmen with a flail and an iron were dragged on trifles, and the nomenklatura from the party and Komsomol bodies, under the cover of the committee, cut everything else into pieces and shares.
          Could today's Forbes thieves create (earn) such capital that is in their assets? Therefore, they sit abroad in fear for their skin and poke at us with property registers issued and endorsed illegally (it is not for nothing that EBN shook up the government several times to put the ends in the water - go find the last one).
          Do you know what all this scum is afraid of? That one fine moment there will be a legal recognition of these acts as illegal. Therefore, they added foreign patrons to the shareholders, ensuring the withdrawal of capital from the cordon.
          We have no future in this situation. They, however, too. Because there are two outcomes in which they will be ripped off like sticky. If the Russian statehood collapses and if the period of EBN's rule is recognized as a violent overthrow of the legitimate government.
          Imagine how hard it is to live in constant expectation of the collapse of the stolen wealth. Now, when people understand that all these tales about capitalist paradise booths are lies and delirium, then the reverse process will begin, in which there will be no excuses like: "I am a generic landowner", "my mother is from the Federation Council or the State Duma", " Yes, even under the first president of Russia, we were standing on a tank next to it ”...
          ==========
          Do you know that the funny thing is that having recognized some elections as illegitimate there in the West, they can recognize the assets, capital and real estate of persons living outside the homeland, but awarded on its behalf with merit awards, as illegally obtained. Remember how it was with Hussein and Gaddafi? They recognized and closed the accounts ... And then they themselves were "reset" and the entire world community kept silent, looking at the "justice rendered".
          1. +4
            6 August 2021 07: 31
            Quote: ROSS 42
            But I think that the Russian tax legislation is to blame for everything.

            Quote: ROSS 42
            State institutions are also to blame.

            Quote: ROSS 42
            today's Forbes thieves

            + + + good
            1. +1
              6 August 2021 08: 07
              There is an impoverishment of the population

              Well, it goes on and will continue to grow in poverty.
              But the fact that? You can by the road where the master drives, stand on your kneesmaybe they won't be closed for extremism.
              So, we burst into tears and went on to earn a penny. To me carbonari too. lol
      4. +1
        6 August 2021 00: 10
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Do not forget to add - "in a capitalist country."

        all countries are the same ... so you don't have to add.
      5. +2
        6 August 2021 09: 50
        Pensions have actually been declining for several months

        Apparently there is no money for retirement. We must also raise the retirement age, well, to increase pensions!

        At the end of last year, Russia was in the top five countries in terms of the rate of decline in the well-being of people

        How so! And the king announced quite differently. Russia, they say, passed the crisis better than anyone else! So he was lying again?
    2. +27
      5 August 2021 15: 31
      Yes, they have been living in their parallel universe for a long time. And to whom they tell all this, as if we do not know whether we have begun to live richer or poorer ... So we would have sat there, okay, the unwillingness to grow up consoled - it turns out that they began to live well, it turns out that it is even better than Brazilians, that's joy -then..
      1. +8
        5 August 2021 17: 16
        Quote: SERGE ant
        So they would be sad, okay, the non-profit growth consoled - they began to live well, it turns out, even better than the Brazilians, that's a joy ..

        In terms of well-being and other humanitarian indicators, our country is not even in the top 20.
        1. +4
          5 August 2021 20: 31
          Quote: Stroporez

          In terms of well-being and other humanitarian indicators, our country is not even in the top 20.

          For that, the billionaires come in ... in and out ...
        2. -2
          5 August 2021 20: 48
          And the first 40 countries are just the most reliable and prosperous in this regard.
        3. 0
          6 August 2021 00: 14
          Quote: Stroporez
          Well-being and other humanitarian indicators

          give a link to these indicators.
          1. -2
            6 August 2021 08: 56
            Quote: NEOZ
            give a link to these indicators.

            And you don't need, you are a stoned troll Yes
            1. +1
              6 August 2021 15: 35
              Quote: Stroporez
              And you don't need, you are a stoned troll

              I like people who are responsible for their words and can reasonably convey their point of view!
              and so .....
              everyone can chat ...
      2. -3
        6 August 2021 00: 13
        Quote: SERGE ant
        as if we do not know whether we have begun to live richer or poorer ..

        sure you don't know !!!!
        ps
        a homeless person in a circle sees only homeless people ...
        1. +2
          6 August 2021 01: 20
          Quote: NEOZ
          a homeless person in a circle sees only homeless people ...
          This, then, are you talking about yourself? I sympathize! Try to look wider!
          1. -1
            6 August 2021 15: 33
            Quote: non-primary
            This, then, are you talking about yourself? I sympathize! Try to look wider!

            Certainly! I do not differ in my behavior from other people !!!
            Social connections are usually limited to the class to which the person belongs at a given time. For example, most marriages are in one or two contiguous classes.
            ps
            I should have studied at school ...
        2. -1
          6 August 2021 10: 07
          Quote: NEOZ
          a homeless person in a circle sees only homeless people ...

          It can be seen that the person clearly speaks with awareness of the matter. Shares his experience!
          1. 0
            6 August 2021 15: 33
            Quote: Stas157
            It can be seen that the person clearly speaks with awareness of the matter. Shares his experience!

            Certainly! I do not differ in my behavior from other people !!!
            Social connections are usually limited to the class to which the person belongs at a given time. For example, most marriages are in one or two contiguous classes.
            ps
            I should have studied at school ...
        3. +1
          6 August 2021 17: 55
          A - fools?
      3. -1
        6 August 2021 10: 05
        Quote: SERGE ant
        they began to live, it turns out, even better than the Brazilians, that's a joy ..

        I doubt. There, the average salary is higher, and prices are lower. It is necessary to compare with Africa. More precisely!
        1. -3
          6 August 2021 12: 20
          Quote: Stas157
          It is necessary to compare with Africa. More precisely!

          And what, in Africa, every pensioner has an apartment, a summer house and a car? There, pensions are not provided for in half of the countries .. Pensions are also not paid in China, India, Vietnam, Thailand, parts of Latin America, and you keep crying: "You suck to live ...". Go to work ...
          1. +3
            6 August 2021 16: 23
            Quote: bistrov.
            What, in Africa does every pensioner have an apartment, a summer house and a car?

            Oh, this is a debatable issue!)) Let's discuss this - where is it better to live in Africa or in Russia. In economic terms, of course.

            Quote: bistrov.
            Go to work ...

            I’m not messing around.

            And tell me where you can get a job so that, like Putin's cronies, to row the loot with a shovel? We have Russia - a country of fabulous opportunities!
            1. 0
              8 August 2021 01: 21
              Quote: Stas157
              where is it better to live in Africa or in Russia

              But you compared Russia with Africa, go there, try it for yourself, let's see how long you hold out there ..., come and tell us ...
              Quote: Stas157
              so that, like Putin's cronies, to row the loot with a shovel?

              Does Putin have friends? And who is it? Shoigu, probably? He is "rowing money with a shovel"? Don't be jealous ...
          2. +3
            7 August 2021 09: 22
            There is work, but they do not pay for it ...
    3. +16
      5 August 2021 15: 35
      Nikita Khrushchev, speaking from the rostrum, said:
      "In 80 we will live under communism"!
      Question from the audience:
      "And we"?
      PS "The statistics of soup per capita in Russia are kept by adversaries."
    4. +7
      5 August 2021 15: 41
      Quote: aybolyt678
      When money depreciates, someone becomes poorer and someone is richer, exactly by the amount of the lost purchasing power of money.

      No, money itself is an abstraction, an expression of the available capital, which consists of a commodity, means of production and a resource of labor (most of us have basically only the latter, that is, we sell our labor). But in the modern world, after the money supply has been decoupled from real security (it began with the abandonment of pegging to gold, although rates have been manipulated earlier), the purchasing power of money in general is actually a random value. The same bitcoin, for example? How does it reflect real capital, real resources and goods? This is essentially a fetishist sect. He is appreciated only because they believe in this idol. There is no real security. There is only a breakthrough of wasted electricity to solve unnecessary (really useful for science or production calculations during mining) equations. And the wildest jumps in the bitcoin rate clearly confirm this thesis.
      1. -3
        5 August 2021 21: 18
        Quote: Kuroneko
        money itself is an abstraction

        money first of all - specifics, when you pay off a loan, or buy a car, or just eat, or wait for a salary ... In order for money to become an abstraction, you must first grow up to this laughing And this is a level above the presidential wink
        Quote: Kuroneko
        How does it reflect real capital, real resources and goods? This is essentially a fetishist sect.

        a group of very rich people for whom money is an abstraction, laughing launched a test project - private money is called bitcoins ... they are watching. In the project, people who do not understand anything, invest concrete money reflecting real capital, resources, value ..... they want to untie money from the state, and make them world-wide, a supranational structure is being created.
      2. -1
        6 August 2021 00: 21
        Quote: Kuroneko
        money itself is an abstraction, an expression of the available capital, which consists of a commodity, means of production and a resource of labor

        this contradicts:
        Quote: Kuroneko
        after decoupling the money supply from the real collateral (it began with the abandonment of the peg to gold, although rates were previously manipulated), the purchasing power of money in general is actually a random value.


        Quote: Kuroneko
        The same bitcoin, for example? How does it reflect real capital, real resources and goods?

        just like players buy characters and / or computer tanks for real money ...

        Quote: Kuroneko
        There is only a breakthrough of wasted electricity to solve unnecessary (really useful for science or production calculations during mining) equations.

        well, this is not free energy, by the way !!!! from mining in 100% benefit energy companies !!!!
        1. ANB
          +1
          7 August 2021 00: 53
          ... from mining in 100% benefit energy companies !!!!

          Yes, there is no particular surplus of electricity.
      3. ANB
        +1
        7 August 2021 00: 51
        ... equations

        There's not even an equation.
        Stupid selection of text with a hash less than the given one. Just overkill.
        I have the impression that this was thought to produce a very powerful botnet. Moreover, miners voluntarily buy expensive equipment and put software on it, not really understanding what it is doing. If only something dripped.
  2. +12
    5 August 2021 15: 06
    Well, Russians are different, if you are from the upper echelons of society, you get richer, and if you are from the lower echelons, then quite the opposite. Dialectics however. Read Capital Marx.
    1. 0
      5 August 2021 15: 20
      Read Capital Marx.

      So.
      1. +19
        5 August 2021 15: 34
        Well, Russians are different
        Yes - who eats meat, and who chews a cabbage leaf. And on average, we all eat stuffed cabbage rolls, it means everything is normal .. the growth does not lie.
        1. -4
          5 August 2021 20: 53
          Rosstat calculates official salaries - but everyone knows very well that there are unofficial salaries and the incomes of most of them cannot be calculated and no one will mention them in statistics.
      2. +1
        6 August 2021 04: 59
        ..Marx at the end of his life admitted the fallacy of his teaching ..
        1. +1
          6 August 2021 13: 27
          Quote: ver_
          At the end of his life, Marx admitted the fallacy of his teaching ..

          in what part of it ??
          1. 0
            6 August 2021 17: 21
            .. I wish I could read this pack from Zion ..
    2. +25
      5 August 2021 15: 27
      Because none of those in power are outright enemies of the people. And fierce. Which, besides stuffing their own pockets, are not interested in anything at all. The only question is - are we going to do something about it? Or will we die like a naked terpily, and our descendants will generally become serfs at the newly-minted bar?
      1. +6
        5 August 2021 15: 30
        You are not quite right, there are no pockets in a coffin.
        1. +17
          5 August 2021 15: 35
          You explain this to them. On the feijoa, then they steal so that then the pockets burst? But all of them are no longer young people .. Maybe this is some kind of mental disorder, such as kleptomania? So then they should be isolated from society and treated, and not put to rule the state!
        2. +16
          5 August 2021 15: 38
          It seems, Yuri, that they think that there is. Pavel, you have to go to the polls and vote, then the "ep" will not be able to drag in anti-national laws with its majority and vote in unison for the pension reform.
          1. +16
            5 August 2021 15: 54
            I have repeatedly stated my personal point of view - as for me, any bourgeois election is a profanation of an idea, the bourgeoisie will never give up power for good. She did not seize her in order to submit to some kind of popular will.

            Moreover, we all clearly see the chaos taking place in the country, here you have to remove candidates for ridiculous reasons, and vote on stumps, and the notorious three days of elections - and there is a lot to list. And I think - as a result, we will get another supposedly crushing victory for the United Russia, no matter how sad it is. And nothing can be done about it by legal methods. It's like sitting down to play prefecture with strangers on the Moscow-Sochi train, the result is obvious - they'll be undressed ...

            But. As a party person, I must agree with the decision of my party. There were very lengthy disputes in this regard, difficult negotiations with the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. Opinions varied widely. In the end, the decision was as follows - you have to go to the polls and vote for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. On all fronts. It is considered that at the moment it is a better tactic than boycott of the elections.

            Therefore, I would like to take this opportunity to urge you, comrades, to make a similar choice in September. Well, what will come of this - we will, however, have a look ..
            1. +2
              5 August 2021 16: 44
              Quote: paul3390
              any bourgeois election is a profanation of the idea, the bourgeoisie will never give power

              "Why then the elections?" millions will ask ... EP, CPRF, SR, LDPR, what's the difference? They have been there for 30 years ...
              1. +1
                5 August 2021 16: 50
                To create an illusion among the people that their opinion means something there ..
                1. -7
                  5 August 2021 17: 15
                  Quote: paul3390
                  To create an illusion among the people that their opinion means something there ..

                  Well, the communists have always been masters of this.
                  It was not for nothing that the general secretary left his post only at the invitation to another world.
                  And the elections - all as one voted for one candidate? Yes, I wonder why he was called a candidate. if you were the only one? laughing
                  1. -2
                    5 August 2021 17: 33
                    all as one voted for one candidate

                    Because he was a real representative of exactly that people. Unlike nonesh clowns, they have an extremely indirect relationship to the people ..

                    Well, now we have a type of democracy - what, is it really better? Life has become better, the country is among the world leaders? Ha! Continuous lies and thieves. Now the candidates are fucked up, so what?

                    One might think - there is real democracy in the blessed West !! What is not an election is a farce .. Avon is the last mattress, even Putin's TsiK does not come to such cynicism! And so - yes everywhere ..
                    1. +2
                      5 August 2021 20: 56
                      Because he was a real representative of exactly that people. - He was in fact the same as the current ones, just about their affairs in the USSR, no one spoke or knew except themselves and those with whom they turned them.
                  2. +2
                    5 August 2021 20: 34
                    Quote: atalef
                    It was not for nothing that the general secretary left his post only at the invitation to another world.

                    today is exactly the same ..
                    And the elections - all as one voted for one candidate?

                    again, nothing has changed .. and today ..
                    Yes, I wonder why he was called a candidate. if you were the only one?

                    really..
                2. -4
                  5 August 2021 23: 47
                  What an illusion ... an illusion to create an illusion ... the budget as they sawed and will continue to saw it, and under the communists no less ... calm down already.
            2. +10
              5 August 2021 17: 12
              Quote: paul3390
              you have to go to the polls and vote for the Communist Party

              A member of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in Novosibirsk won the elections with the support of the Azeri capital, and now the Azeri diaspora is at home there. No. We do not need such a Communist Party. Firstly, it is a manual systemic opposition, and secondly: there, as in Edra, there are a lot of bribe-takers and corrupt officials. Such comrades are not comrades to us.
              Quote: paul3390
              Therefore, I would like to take this opportunity to urge you, comrades, to make a similar choice in September. Well, what will come of this - we will, however, have a look ..

              Nifiga will not work. And if something comes out somewhere, then how will it be in Novosibirsk. Fuck to hell change.
              1. +4
                5 August 2021 17: 29
                I myself am not at all delighted with the Communist Party and Genosse Zyu. Typical traitors to the cause of the working class. And I have no illusions about the type of elections. I just explained why I changed my position.

                Regarding the further activities of the Communist Party, sane comrades from there say that if they get a decent number of votes and everything remains the same, they will have a good reason to specifically hit the Ziu gang and perhaps - they will be knocked off .. I don’t know, I don’t know .. Something doubtful to me. But - for what he bought.
                1. +6
                  5 August 2021 17: 38
                  Quote: paul3390
                  sane comrades from there say that if they get a decent number of votes and everything remains the same, they will have a good reason to specifically hit the Zu gang

                  Do they have clannishness in the party there? I knew, of course, that the Communist Party, to put it mildly, was not the same as before, but I did not expect such a fall into the abyss. They'll knock them off ... Maybe. Or maybe not. Or maybe just such a "young Ziu" will come - an Orthodox "communist", playing giveaway with Edrom.
                  I don’t know why you are urging to vote for them, being unsure of their operandi mode yourself, but it looks unconvincing.
                  Edro a priori will not allow the Communist Party of the Russian Federation to crush a significant part of the warm townships, and if suddenly a miracle happens and the Communist Party gets something here and there, then either this "communist" himself will be young, hungry and hungry for dough, or he will be bent under the line party (Edro of course).
                  1. 0
                    5 August 2021 17: 42
                    Do they have clannishness in the party there?

                    Even some! There is no one there, from Trotskyists and Maoists to some murky type of Orthodox communists .. belay

                    Why - I explained. This is the decision of my party. They believe that the EP should be crushed by any means. And if the true communist parties stupidly do not admit to the elections, then on this stage the Communist Party of the Russian Federation will do too.
                    1. -2
                      5 August 2021 17: 57
                      Quote: paul3390
                      This is the decision of my party.

                      Your party is somewhat fluid ... Swan, Cancer and Pike ... Young bawlers and elderly compromisers ...
                      Quote: paul3390
                      They believe that the EP should be crushed by any means.

                      Who are they"? Maoists, Trotskyists, or "true communists"? Or did they rally for such an occasion?
                      Quote: paul3390
                      on this stage the Communist Party of the Russian Federation will do too.

                      At this, in the past, and in the next stages, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is dead as a political force. A kind of Frankenstein, molded from someone who is not clear.
                      And so yes, it will do ... To whom and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation ...
                      Quote: paul3390
                      The Communist Party of the Russian Federation - in its new form, is the same LLC for the extraction of dough as the Russian Orthodox Church.
                      1. +1
                        5 August 2021 18: 11
                        I have nothing to do with the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. Fortunately, they are not monopolists of the communist movement.
                      2. -2
                        5 August 2021 18: 22
                        Quote: paul3390
                        I have nothing to do with the Communist Party of the Russian Federation.

                        Communists of Russia then it turns out? But you decided to vote for the Communist Party? So you have something to do with it, once you cast your vote. Or has the logic been reset this morning?
                        Well, add the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (how much did Suraykin get in the presidential elections, 0.68%?) A fraction of percent. It will not be worse.
                      3. +2
                        5 August 2021 18: 30
                        No. RCWP. And it was not me who decided, but my party. Why then did I join if I will not obey the decisions of the majority?
                      4. -1
                        5 August 2021 18: 59
                        Russian Communist Workers' Party?
                        Quote: paul3390
                        Why then did I join if I will not obey the decisions of the majority?

                        In my opinion, not everything is all right in your party.
                      5. +4
                        5 August 2021 20: 35
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        At this, in the past, and in the next stages, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is dead as a political force. A kind of Frankenstein, molded from someone who is not clear.
                        And so yes, it will do ... To whom and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation ...

                        At this stage, all parties are dead .. and the state is blowing with decay ..
                      6. +2
                        5 August 2021 21: 50
                        Quote: Svarog
                        At this stage, all games are dead.

                        Here you are wrong. One is more alive than all the living. The vital energy of Edra will be the envy of leeches and maggots. Look with how lively they are juices from Russia. Even though they are like yeast in wine, they leave waste products behind. But that's not their problem. "After us, even a flood" - that's their motto.
                  2. ANB
                    0
                    7 August 2021 00: 58
                    ... Edro a priori will not allow the Communist Party of the Russian Federation to crush a significant part of

                    The EP is already so toxic that I wouldn't be surprised if it gets merged in the elections.
                    But the replacement is unlikely to be much better.
                    1. 0
                      7 August 2021 13: 03
                      Quote: ANB
                      it will be merged in the elections.

                      How do you imagine that? EP is the party in power. The maximum that will be is a couple of scapegoats will be fired from the ranks.
                      1. ANB
                        0
                        7 August 2021 14: 37
                        ... How do you imagine that? EP is the party in power.

                        Yes Easy. Just like the last one was merged. We just switched to a new party and that's it.
                      2. +1
                        7 August 2021 14: 43
                        Quote: ANB
                        Yes Easy. Just like the last one was merged. We just switched to a new party and that's it.

                        Do you mean the KPSS?
                      3. ANB
                        0
                        7 August 2021 15: 02
                        ... Do you mean the KPSS?

                        No, NDPR. Although the Communist Party of the Soviet Union is also a good example. There is now the party New people are spinning.
                      4. 0
                        7 August 2021 16: 03
                        Quote: ANB
                        Although the Communist Party of the Soviet Union is also a good example.

                        The Communist Party did not say that it was easy and simple. And the United Russia all the same has already firmly rooted in its roots, or rather tentacles, in the administrative and government apparatus. And so easy to take and rename will not work. The persons will remain the same. It's like the police were changed into the police, but the attitude towards the authorities has not fundamentally changed. Because the name is one thing, but the deeds are another.
            3. +1
              5 August 2021 17: 13
              Quote: paul3390
              In the end, the decision was as follows - you have to go to the polls and vote for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. On all fronts. It is considered that at the moment it is a better tactic than boycott of the elections.

              Of course, you can go, but here, as with the boycott, either en masse or in any way. One thing is certain, all forced for edro will be driven to polling stations + vigorous electorate + twist-twist, and by 21 zero-zero they will announce the unconditional victory of edro.
              Comrade, and Kolya Bondarenko was removed from the elections?
              1. +3
                5 August 2021 17: 25
                Not yet. But it looks like they will be removed without options .. For - democracy!
                1. -1
                  5 August 2021 17: 41
                  Quote: paul3390
                  Not yet. But it looks like they will be removed without options .. For - democracy

                  It's a pity if they take it off, the guy is good. I am amazed at the position of the party that does not defend its candidates, but it would be a feint, the whole party should withdraw from the elections three days before!
                  A lot of things I want to say, but this, like the Tatra grit, will only be for the mill of the enemies of the communists. All this will come later, but now there is no other alternative.
                  1. +4
                    5 August 2021 17: 45
                    The Communist Party of the Russian Federation - in its new form, is the same LLC for the extraction of dough as the Russian Orthodox Church. Against the power - Genosse Zyu will not trample. Therefore, it is necessary to follow Lenin's precepts and start with a total purge of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation.
              2. +2
                5 August 2021 17: 44
                with a boycott, either massively or not.

                A mass boycott will not work - you say yourself, state employees will be driven out. But not enough - they will draw. And then - after the voter turnout threshold was canceled, they somehow gave a damn about it ..
                1. 0
                  5 August 2021 17: 47
                  Quote: paul3390
                  A mass boycott will not work - you say yourself, state employees will be driven out. But not enough - they will draw. And then - after the voter turnout threshold was canceled, they somehow gave a damn about it ..

                  Here you need to watch how the zombari will conduct propaganda, call to go or dry the attendance, then do the opposite)
            4. +1
              6 August 2021 18: 00
              Totally agree with you.
            5. 0
              7 August 2021 06: 44
              If the elections decided anything, we would not have been allowed there M. Twain
          2. -6
            5 August 2021 17: 04
            Quote: SERGE ant
            you have to go to the polls and vote, then "ep" will not be able to push through anti-national laws with its majority

            How easy it is! Go to the polls and vote against those swindlers who organized these elections. Moreover, even online cameras were canceled in the recent elections. Why so much naivety? I'd rather go and play with thimbles. There are more chances.
            1. -1
              6 August 2021 00: 24
              Quote: Hyperion
              How easy it is! Go to the polls and vote against

              common people always have simple solutions ...
              for example like this:
              Quote: Hyperion
              I'd rather go and play with thimbles. There are more chances.
        3. +9
          5 August 2021 15: 45
          Quote: Ros 56
          there are no pockets in a coffin.

      2. +9
        5 August 2021 15: 52
        Quote: paul3390
        our descendants - generally become serfs at the newly-minted bar?

      3. -3
        5 August 2021 16: 39
        Quote: paul3390
        Because none of those in power are outright enemies of the people. And fierce. Which, besides stuffing their own pockets, are not interested in anything at all. The only question is - are we going to do something about it? Or will we die like a naked terpily, and our descendants will generally become serfs at the newly-minted bar?

        I do not live in Russia, but reading V.O. I got the strong impression that the fierce enemy of any Russian is the Ukrainian. In the comments on any occasion and without it, anger in that direction is rushing. "If there is no water in the tap, then they drank in Ukraine, if impurities are found in the water, they are again to blame."
        1. +10
          5 August 2021 17: 24
          that the worst enemy of any Russian is the Ukrainian,
          You have a strange opinion. Bandera (and those who joined them), yes, the fiercest enemies. How can an entire nation be an enemy?
        2. +1
          6 August 2021 00: 27
          Quote: Niko
          I got the strong impression that the worst enemy of any Russian is the Ukrainian.

          so the Ukrainians have been fighting with the Muscovites for 7 years ..... don't you know?
          Quote: Niko
          I do not live in Russia

          where do you live?
          Quote: Niko
          "If there is no water in the tap, then they drank in Ukraine, if impurities are found in the water, they are again to blame"

          in reality, of course, we ourselves are to blame for allowing the Ukrainians to drink water from the tap and simultaneously clog it with impurities !!!!!
      4. 0
        6 August 2021 13: 28
        Quote: paul3390
        The only question is - are we going to do something about it?

        what to do? I go to the polls, I consistently vote against the incumbent ... does not help
    3. +7
      5 August 2021 15: 39
      Quote: Ros 56
      Read Capital Marx.

      Watch (in time) cartoons:
    4. +3
      5 August 2021 15: 50
      Quote: Ros 56
      Read Capital Marx.

      Reading is not enough. One must be able to understand and draw conclusions in relation to modern society. Above, I mentioned bitcoin, for example. I doubt that Marx could even imagine such a scam would appear. The ceiling of the speculators of his time is the maximum of "tainted" stocks. But even behind them there was some kind of security.
      1. -6
        5 August 2021 16: 00
        Reading is not enough. One must be able to understand and draw conclusions in relation to modern society.

        For this it was necessary to study a lot, and now think a lot.
        But why, there is a young lady going to a BMW and Slepakov immediately went (listen to the song sucked laughing )
        1. +1
          5 August 2021 16: 04
          By the way, on the subject of pumping ... (generally speaking, according to Marx, also labor, and the instrument of production is its own, built-in, only the goods are not produced)
          https://pikabu.ru/story/skolko_km_chlenov_nuzhno_nasosat_na_ayfon_6927566
          Here, of course, standard prices are taken into account, without a rich sugar daddy (with this, 10 meters may be enough). But this is also confirmed by my post above: everything that does not have security and does not produce goods is sheer speculation.
      2. -2
        6 August 2021 00: 30
        Quote: Kuroneko
        One must be able to understand and draw conclusions in relation to modern society.

        something tells me that you also have difficulties with this ...
        ps
        how do you think the exchange rate is formed?
        what do you think is gold reserves and what is their function?
    5. -1
      5 August 2021 21: 22
      Quote: Ros 56
      Dialectics however. Read Capital Marx.

      Marx was relevant more than 100 years ago, now only the theory of value has remained
    6. -2
      6 August 2021 00: 22
      Quote: Ros 56
      the upper echelons of society, then you get richer, and if from the lower echelons, then quite the opposite.

      can you confirm with statistical facts?
  3. +12
    5 August 2021 15: 07
    I don’t know who has real disposable incomes growing there.
    And yesterday a real payment came to me for the light with a new price ..
    1. -6
      5 August 2021 15: 23
      And yesterday a real payment came to me for the light with a new price ..

      If you notice such things, then you belong to the lower echelons.
      Well, and then the correct remark:
      if you are from the upper echelons of society, then you get richer, and if from the lower echelons, then quite the opposite.

      And if it's average, then you dangle back and forth. laughing
      Personally, I have raised the salaries of all my key employees by 20% since the first of August.
      And not at all because they get poorer or richer.
      In the market, wages have risen.
      Anticipating the question - the IT sector.
      1. +18
        5 August 2021 15: 43
        Only you did not take into account that such "inferiors" as you deigned to express the majority, and we practically do not have "average" ones, and there is no need for the middle class with a salary of 17 thousand, which you still need to scatter for the whole family and calculate how much for each And the fact that you, the "higher", live well and do not need any changes, it has long been understood.
        1. -6
          5 August 2021 15: 56
          Only you did not take into account that such "inferior" as you deigned to express the majority, and we practically do not have "average",

          Why do you think that you did not take into account, I did not write about it at all.
          I don’t want to comment on the nonsense about 17 at all.
          The middle class is determined not by income, but by way of life.
          Somewhere I saw the definition that the middle class is who has a self-propelled lawn mowing machine. laughing
          And the fact that you, the "higher" live well

          I'm just average. laughing I am from the fact that you are getting poorer do not get rich in any way.
      2. -1
        5 August 2021 15: 56
        IT sector? And detail?
        1. 0
          5 August 2021 16: 20
          And detail?

          All standard programmers and system engineers.
          Here is a small trend overview.
          https://www.forbes.ru/karera-i-svoy-biznes/426519-idet-zhestkiy-hanting-pochemu-v-rossii-rezko-vyrosli-spros-na-it

          Soon it will be necessary to raise again laughing
          1. -1
            5 August 2021 16: 36
            Before the war there was a computer repair shop in Kiev. It is not profitable to open in Donetsk - competitors, low incomes of citizens, low population density (there are few high-rise buildings, there are mines under the city). Nostalgia ...
            1. -2
              5 August 2021 16: 40
              Before the war there was a computer repair shop

              No, Oleg doesn’t work for IT.
              Repairers, cable workers, assemblers, anikeys, technicians in general,
              this is all in the past, the process was already going on, but the pandemic accelerated everything.
              Now everyone will go to the clouds, in whole or in part.
              Explain why?
              1. -1
                5 August 2021 16: 56
                Yes, and so it is understandable, but I think the repair will be relevant for a long time. I am still in the service, but I had to buy an instrument - my colleagues got it. But I don’t take money from them. In 2015, he was in the position of the operational duty officer of the 7th brigade, acting as the deputy head of the PU. I didn't climb out of the acquisition department - computers are ancient rubbish. HRT promised to put me in prison, but then they became friends. They could not change W8 to Ŵ7 on the new laptop. I surprised them.
                1. 0
                  5 August 2021 17: 08
                  repair I think will be relevant for a long time

                  As a service to the population - yes, it may even develop.
                  For serious offices soon no longer exists.
      3. +6
        5 August 2021 16: 04
        ... to all of its key employees

        Nicely written
        Everyone and the key are two big differences
        In translation, five seniors will receive an increase, and fifty June go through the forest: ((
        1. -3
          5 August 2021 16: 23
          In translation, five seniors will receive an increase, and fifty June go through the forest: ((

          And I have no juniors at all laughing
          I do not adhere to the Western division.
          But I hasten to disappoint you, the rest have already received an increase at the beginning of the year by 15%.
          In our company, the higher the employee, the later his salary increases (after subordinates), but by the higher the percentage laughing
          1. +3
            5 August 2021 17: 00
            What's the difference what they are called, the essence does not change
            I comment on what you yourself wrote
            1. 0
              5 August 2021 17: 13
              What's the difference what they are called, the essence does not change

              I have already answered you: the rest have already been raised at the beginning of the year.
              And the difference is big.
              A junior differs from a senior first of all in qualifications, and a key employee differs from a non-key employee in responsibility. Accordingly, responsibility is not a market concept.
              But one way or another, salaries in IT are growing and growing rapidly.
              But all the same, hell you will find the right specialist.
              And if earlier they were looking in Moscow and the region, now they are all over the country.
              1. +4
                5 August 2021 17: 38
                Thank you for the lecture, but I know how the Signor differs from Junior.
                Not by qualifications, as you wrote, but by the scope of tasks - one of them is the organizer, the other is the performer.
                I am skeptical about unverifiable details given in hindsight
                As for the salaries in the IT industry, they are not typical, since in fact there is an international labor market.
                If this was the case for the janitors, and they could, without leaving Kursk or Smolensk, perform work for an employer in London or Frankfurt, then the wipers' salaries would also grow
                1. +2
                  5 August 2021 22: 31
                  Quote: Avior
                  If this was the case for the janitors, and they could, without leaving Kursk or Smolensk, perform work for an employer in London or Frankfurt, then the wipers' salaries would also grow

                  as soon as cheap teleportation is mastered, the labor market will be very mobile (that is, everything). I left the apartment in V. Volochyok and went to the place of work in Melbourne.
                  Although by that time everything will change ...
                  except for the salary of course laughing
                2. +1
                  6 August 2021 12: 57
                  Not by qualifications, as you wrote, but by the scope of tasks - one of them is the organizer, the other is the performer.

                  You did not understand me. Both the key employee and the senior differ in the scope of tasks from the non-key employee and the junior. BUT differ in different ways. Responsibility is important for distinguishing the former, and qualifications for the latter. I see no reason to discuss this here, the more I do not understand your competence in this matter. We can talk about this on Habré. laughing
                  As for salaries in the IT industry, they are not typical,

                  Compared to wipers, of course. laughing
                  But windshield wipers were never middle class. Mobility is one of the essential properties when choosing a profession in the 21st century. laughing
        2. +3
          5 August 2021 20: 38
          Quote: Avior
          Nicely written
          Everyone and the key are two big differences
          In translation, five seniors will receive an increase, and fifty June go through the forest: ((

          good hi
          1. +1
            6 August 2021 13: 01
            In translation, five seniors will receive an increase, and fifty June go through the forest: ((

            Nice but wrong, because the rest of the salaries were raised six months ago.
            In general, if it were possible, then it should be so. If 50 juniors can be sent by the forest, then they are simply not needed here and you need to limit yourself to five seniors in the state.
            As a matter of fact, I am striving for this at home. In the Russian Federation, tens of thousands of people call themselves programmers without actually being them.
        3. 0
          6 August 2021 09: 32
          The more Jun will be motivated to study and become a tomato-blue))
          1. -3
            6 August 2021 10: 46
            With such motivation, workers shouldn't be paid at all - let them be motivated to become a director :))
            It looks like the guide to this rule is followed :)
          2. 0
            6 August 2021 13: 02
            The more Jun will be motivated to study and become a tomato-blue))

            Once again, the aviator is speculating.
            Junior salaries have also gone up in the market.
            Another thing is that where they are not needed, they simply do not need to be recruited.
    2. -8
      5 August 2021 16: 14
      AND? A million dollar bill?
    3. +1
      5 August 2021 16: 38
      I don’t know who has real disposable incomes growing there.
      And yesterday a real payment came to me for the light with a new price ..
      It is correct to write that way. Payment came for light from at a new price... Someone's real incomes are growing.
    4. -5
      6 August 2021 00: 33
      Quote: Roman070280
      And yesterday a real payment came to me for the light with a new price ..

      and yesterday I received 20000 rubles for children by September 1, and compensation for housing and communal services came in 2436,21 rubles.
      ps
      do you understand what I mean?
      1. 0
        7 August 2021 06: 55
        Well, flop at your feet, you know who for your information. In Poland, hated by many here, this is the amount (PLN 500) that is paid for EACH child, monthly until they reach 18 years of age, regardless of family income
        1. 0
          7 October 2021 00: 30
          Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
          For your information In Poland, hated by many here, this is the amount (PLN 500) is paid for EACH child

          envy silently !!!!
  4. +3
    5 August 2021 15: 08
    Yes, every year, we live, better and better, money just keeps coming out of our ears. You don't know what to do with, whether to buy a home nuclear power plant, or a pleasure icebreaker or carrots and potatoes.
    1. +7
      5 August 2021 15: 13
      every year we live better and better


      A tax on meat may appear in Russia, Dmitry Peskov, the special presidential envoy for digital and technological development, said on Wednesday.
      “We thought the carbon tax was a long way off. The tax was imposed on us, and we started thinking, ”he said, referring to the cross-border regulation in the EU, which Brussels plans to launch in 2023.
      “As the temperature [on the planet] rises, the models will be revised towards other sources of CO2. For example, agriculture. This means that in a few years we will first be loudly indignant, and then we will be forced, for example, to adopt a tax on meat, ”said Peskov.
      “We will have no other choice,” he added.
      1. +11
        5 August 2021 15: 38
        It's not that scary yet. But I think we'll get to this point.

        Yes
        PS
        Breathe while it's free. Yes
        1. +11
          5 August 2021 15: 48
          Breathe while it's free
          Yes, I would not be surprised if the counters are blown out to everyone. They do not know how to rip off the last penny from the people, there is not enough evil. You have to go to the elections, then maybe that will change. "Bad government is chosen by good citizens who do not go to elections".
          1. -9
            5 August 2021 16: 47
            Why be surprised? The planet's population is growing, so is the livestock population. But people are not cattle - they not only breathe, they have come up with a lot of ways to destroy oxygen, starting with an ordinary fire. At the same time, the "green lungs of the planet" are being destroyed for industrial and agricultural purposes. Yes, banal picnics sometimes lead to the destruction of many thousands of hectares of forest. It's time to introduce the death penalty for arson, not even intentionally. And emissions of carbon and other gases are increasing. Sooner or later, we will suffocate if we don't take action. The carbon tax is one of them.
            1. +8
              5 August 2021 17: 52
              The industrial revolution is ending on the planet and greenhouse gas emissions are falling, as a result of this, the development of industrial technologies and the development of all kinds of high technologies. Non-man-made fires have already been taken into account by the natural balance of nature. The production and storage of food can be optimized - now up to a third of it is thrown away and, therefore, it is necessary to develop technologies for its storage and distribution - then there will be less price surges and there will be enough food for everyone without increasing emissions.
              1. -5
                5 August 2021 18: 04
                There you are, Bite 234 said everything right. Almost. But does this cancel what I wrote? What you said has been known for 50 years already. So what? Is there a result? Somewhere it arrives, somewhere it decreases. This is an eternal struggle.
                1. +1
                  5 August 2021 21: 19
                  Somewhere it arrives, somewhere it decreases. This is an eternal struggle. Not quite so - 100 years ago a car was an unprecedented luxury, and now they all have in all corners of the world, as well as cell phones, as well as airplanes, helicopters, the Internet, and so on. The rich are getting richer and the indicators of wealth are changing all and the rich and the poor and the middle classes are simultaneously rising in terms of wealth - this provides the growing needs that drive scientific and technological progress tomorrow - in 100 years the poor will be considered those who do not have at least three cars, but at the same time they will be to have everything necessary for life and the middle class will be those who have a villa and a helicopter and those who will have their own spaceships are rich.
                2. +3
                  5 August 2021 23: 40
                  Fuel-injected and super fuel efficient, compared to 50-year-old models, the car is a product of the fight to reduce emissions.
                  And it has long been known that in the Russian Federation, for example, farmlands of the Non-Black Earth Region are overgrown with forests. There are other options besides carbon tax - for example, taxation proportional to the degree of damage to biogeocenoses - roughly speaking, then cutting down some Patagonian forests completely at the root becomes unprofitable, but long-term forestry is quite. But calculating such taxation is more difficult, although no one reduces all this bookkeeping to carbon only.
                  By the way - specifically for the Russian Federation, it is possible to improve the ecology by increasing its own production using clean technologies - so immediately the standard of living rises and the ecology improves. Since with a low standard of living, no one will strive for either ecology or education. Therefore, the conclusion is that in order to reduce emissions, it is necessary to increase the production of modern cars at modern factories. This is especially true for the Russian Federation with its immense, very inhospitable expanses.
          2. +1
            5 August 2021 22: 34
            Quote: SERGE ant
            You have to go to the polls, then maybe that will change

            paid elections (automatically debiting money for participation)
            voluntary laughing (I wanted to go, I didn’t want to go, but money in advance)
            (it's all because of Cipollino)
        2. 0
          11 August 2021 10: 36
          Bravo. Therefore, this fairy tale has already been removed from the repertory of children's theaters. Ay yes Rodari, as he looked into the water. And God forbid, "Dunno on the Moon" will be put on.
    2. +4
      5 August 2021 15: 18
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      You don't know what to do with, whether to buy a home nuclear power plant, or a pleasure icebreaker or carrots and potatoes.

      Better to buy a kitchen jacket and rubber boots. The farm is always needed.
    3. Cat
      +3
      5 August 2021 15: 37
      You don't know what to do with it, whether to buy a home nuclear power plant, or a pleasure icebreaker or carrots and potatoes.

      You can buy a guided tour .. well, let's say, to Mongolia. Purely for the sake of raising self-esteem.
      1. 0
        5 August 2021 21: 22
        And what is there to look at - how the Mongols build houses from dried shit and heat them with the same shit in the absence of firewood.
    4. +6
      5 August 2021 15: 53
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      money just keeps coming out of my ears. You don't know what to do with it.


      Our future is fog.
      In our past - now hell, now heaven.
      Our money doesn’t go into our pockets.
      It's morning - get up.

      1990. Choi. More than 30 years have passed, nothing has changed ...
    5. -1
      6 August 2021 00: 34
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Yeah, every year we live, it gets better and better,

      in vain you flirting ... Russians in reality (in general) live better and better !!!!
  5. +7
    5 August 2021 15: 11
    I remembered the video, as a pensioner - the veteran scolded Volodin when he approached her on the street. Well done woman! She did not thank him for the "happy" old age, but expressed to his eyes:
    - In such a rich country where everything is there and we live so poorly! ...
    1. +2
      5 August 2021 16: 17
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      In such a rich country, where everything is there and we live so poorly! ...

      The pensioner is forgivable ...
      But about wealth - she was in a hurry.
      To compare wealth, you need to be interested in numbers, but for many this is a bummer. All my life I was not interested in anything, I just spoke out "for life" and now, I came to the conclusion that, they say, the capitalists are good in Germany, and our enemies rule. and always. Before 1917, after and now.
      But the numbers say that Germany's exports, for your information, in value terms, in three times more than Russian.
      Russia does not supply oil to half the world, but produces only about 10%, sales are comparable to Iraq, Canada, not to mention Saudi Arabia with a population of 30 million.
      The federal budget of the Russian Federation is 20 trillion. rub. And the budget of the Pension Fund, i.e. what goes to the payment of pensions 8 trillion.
      It is necessary to compare the same pensions (and salaries) with those abroad by purchasing power parity. It will also come out less than in the same Germany, but clearer and more honest. If we can live on $ 200, and in Uzbekistan and on $ 100, then in developed Europe it is absolutely impossible.
      What to do, what to do?
      Collect and divide everything? But this has already been done, the result is known for the literate - in the USSR, the dream of citizens was to get on a business trip on a cap. country, and many (collective farmers) received symbolic pensions.
      Probably, it is necessary to provide targeted support to the elderly. Those. subsidies for housing and communal services, food stamps depending on income, etc.
      The young, on the other hand, need to work and help their elderly. And not to wait, like grandfather Shchukar, when he will be given a "briefcase" with a good salary, but to take a tool in white hands, those who own tools are now well paid, I know personally: I have just finished renovating housing. Or maybe go to the north, while the workers are sending 10 billion dollars to the Independent, including from Russia, by the way.
      Well, everyone, both young and old, should contribute to the fight against corruption and other ulcers. Now many generals and businessmen are being taken away, but in order for more of them to be taken away, it is necessary not to drink in the kitchens and clauses, but to do feasible actions, although this is scary and inconvenient.
      A case from personal practice., There was a director of a thief in my organization of a regional scale. He stole with passion, and also made sure that no one else plundered what could "float into his hands." laughing
      There were people among the employees who did not sniff into a rag, provided the necessary information and documents to the competent authorities. The thief had to give back the stolen property (registered in the name of retired parents). To remove a Swiss watch and an expensive ring in the courtroom, he, you see, thought that he would not receive a real term and retire for 4 years to places not so distant.
      Not always and not all like that? Yes. But, water, the stone wears away, there is no other way. This is a civil society, and if it is, then the government will correspond to it.
      1. +1
        6 August 2021 15: 44
        Quote: Alekseev
        But about wealth - she was in a hurry.
        To compare wealth, you need to be interested in numbers, but for many this is a bummer.

        started for health!
        Quote: Alekseev
        Well, everyone, both young and old, should contribute to the fight against corruption and other ulcers.

        but ended for the repose ...
        1. 0
          11 August 2021 10: 33
          and it was also necessary to add more closely to rally the ranks of comrades in the fight against corruption and other ulcers. And the police colonel has a mansion and golden toilets. The dream of the demon of the revolution about toilets made of gold has come true.
    2. -1
      6 August 2021 00: 36
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      - In such a rich country where everything is there and we live so poorly! ...

      What is the wealth of the Russian Federation?
      how is it so poor?
      describe how we should live well?
      on what basis should we live well?
  6. +1
    5 August 2021 15: 13
    Only here the starting positions of the latter, it seems, are by no means the same as those of the Russians?


  7. -7
    5 August 2021 15: 14
    What nonsense is illiterate. Again we compare "warm" with "soft". To understand that all this has nothing to do with real life, it is enough to compare the Russian Federation with the United States. Subtract from the US pension $ 1 - the minimum rent (plus utilities) or $ 500 - the average rent in Manhattan, and what remains of that pension. You need to compare income with mandatory expenses. Only then can we talk about something. Because there are still health insurance costs over $ 4 per person / month. Expenses for the education of children ... Although this is a rarity for a pensioner, there are individuals. Even among my friends there are laughing
    1. +1
      5 August 2021 15: 23
      Quote: Cube123
      Subtract from US pension $ 1 - the minimum rent or $ 500 - the average rent in Manhattan

      Now they have a great demand for mobile, prefabricated houses with an area of ​​15 to 30 meters. And then the payment for land or a place on a river or bay is about 500 bucks a month.
      1. +3
        5 August 2021 15: 25
        And there are also very convenient boxes from under the refrigerators.
        1. +3
          5 August 2021 15: 28
          Quote: Cube123
          And there are also very convenient boxes from under the refrigerators.

          This I have already passed in Africa.
        2. +1
          6 August 2021 15: 45
          Quote: Cube123
          And there are also very convenient boxes from under the refrigerators.

          if not 500 $ per month !!!!
    2. +10
      5 August 2021 15: 27
      Again we compare "warm" with "soft".
      Everything is always in order at Rosstat. The head doctor on the round:
      - Well, how are we doing?
      - The average temperature in the hospital is 36.6, including the morgue.
    3. +8
      5 August 2021 15: 31
      Yeah .. come on, tell us about how in Denmark the average rent is 9 times higher than the average in the Russian Federation .. fool

      Since you cannot do this, other people have worked for you ..

      The table above shows the average pension in Denmark - 120 thousand rubles.

      Next, we go here:
      https://ru.traveltables.com/country/denmark/cost-of-living/


      Estimating the cost of living in Denmark
      Total cost of living in Denmark for two people with an average consumption level for one month, excluding the cost of housing, will be 128488.58 ₽
      Utilities, per month
      Basic utilities for the 85m2 Apartment, including electricity, heating or cooling, water and garbage disposal
      14321.85

      Having flattened, we see that as many as TWO people can live on an average pension.
      At the same time, they will live too - according to the average! I mean, do not eat overdue ..
      (it is quite possible not to leave travel agencies for retirement of the second spouse)



      Well, and for all sorts of "smart people" a few examples from the link about how "everything is 10 times more expensive" there:
      Meals in an inexpensive restaurant
      1421.47

      Local cheese, 1 kg
      872.25
      (well, cheese .. not a cheese product)

      Milk, ordinary, 1 liter
      80.57
      (smile and wave)

      Honda Civic 1.6 or a new car of a similar class
      3042996.48
      (I think that with a pension of 120 thousand it is easier to collect than with a pension of 15 tons (even if you save up for Lada-Vesta))

      Fitness club, Monthly fee for 1 adult
      2781.58

      Interest rate on mortgage loans in percent for 20 years fixed rate, annual, fixed rate
      0.06%

      Summer dress in a brand clothing store
      3109.78

      Average monthly net salary, after taxes
      228112.45
      (well, this does not apply to pension, but it is indicative)

      1. -3
        5 August 2021 15: 36
        Quote: Roman070280
        Yeah .. come on, tell us about how in Denmark the average rent is 9 times higher than the average in the Russian Federation .. fool

        I have not been to Denmark, but I had to drive around the USA for more than six months. The attitude towards the country has deteriorated a lot after that. It is enough to turn off the tourist paths to see a completely different America. This is a country for the young and the strong, but "the old people do not belong here."
        1. 0
          6 August 2021 10: 27
          And if in Russia you simply turn off from the center of Moscow?
      2. -12
        5 August 2021 16: 20
        Why are you comparing with Denmark? This country surrendered even to Hitler without a fight. No destruction - we have more than 80% of what we had. Plus the loss of more than 30 million hands. The collapse of the Union was a comparable catastrophe, including in terms of the loss of the population of the Russian Federation. Worse only in Ukraine and Moldova. Can we compare the territory? How much does Denmark spend on infrastructure and communications, and how much does Russia have to spend? The huge territory is not only a plus, but also a minus, especially considering the climate and permafrost. If the salary is doubled now, millions of narrow-minded people will rush to buy iPhones, foreign cars, expensive imported swill, etc. This will lead to an increase in imports, loss of currency, a fall in the ruble exchange rate, inflation and the impoverishment of those who will not be affected by the increase - pensioners, students, disabled people, single mothers, etc. No, first we must sacredly believe that an expensive iPhone is shit, Vesta is worse than a Merc, but this is our own, and the money will go to the salaries of the Russians and not the Germans, and then in the same spirit. In reality, there are Russian goods better than imported ones, but our plebeians still pray for the holy American jeans and Adidas crosses. Moreover, the miserable do not understand that even an iPhone is made by only 2 factories, and both are in China ...
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          2. -1
            6 August 2021 14: 45
            "And we are also withdrawing billions abroad .." What billions are we withdrawing abroad? You will take an interest in the structure of the withdrawn funds and find out where and what they go to. Without the inflow of billions, there is no outflow of billions.
            1. -2
              6 August 2021 15: 00
              What billions are we transferring abroad?
              That is used to buy housing in London, for example ..

              find out where and what they are going to
              Yes, of course, football clubs are bought to increase our well-being ..))

              Without the inflow of billions, there is no outflow of billions.
              If, before leaking to the next yacht, these billions "flowed in" in any way - does it make it easier for you?

              Threat ..
              Net capital outflow from Russia in 2020 more than doubled compared to 2019, according to the Bank of Russia.

              "The balance of financial transactions in the private sector at the end of 2020 was $ 47,8 billion against $ 22,1 billion a year earlier," the regulator said in a statement.

              This is apparently because of the iPhones, about which the people cried above ..))
              True, it is still not clear why the Danes live 10 times richer .. apparently, they buy everything exclusively for the given ..))
              1. -1
                6 August 2021 15: 55
                Quote: Roman070280
                True, it is still not clear why the Danes live 10 times richer .. apparently, they buy everything exclusively for the given ..))

                DENMARK:
                external debt per capita - USD 106000.
                250% of GDP

                RUSSIA:
                external debt per capita - USD 3000.
                40% of GDP ...
                1. +1
                  6 August 2021 16: 00
                  Iii? What does this show ...
                  Distrust of creditors-1 option
                  Self-sufficiency of the economy (the level is not yet estimated) - option 2.
                  So what do you have?
                2. 0
                  6 August 2021 16: 01
                  It is, of course, very good .. that we have such a small debt ..
                  But still .. maybe it's better like in Denmark ??)


                  Shl .. or are we thinking about descendants again ?? So that in 100 years they will live well, when the Danes will pay off their debts, and bend 15 thousand ??)
                  1. -1
                    6 August 2021 16: 11
                    Quote: Roman070280
                    But still .. maybe it's better like in Denmark ??)

                    to live like in Denmark, it is necessary for the Russian Federation to lend money ... but they do not give it ...
                    will give when the Russian Federation will squeeze out such countries (lending).
                    here the USA borrows all over the world.
                    France, for example, is milking its slice of Africa, controlling the entire financial sector in these countries.
                    do you want to have your own colonies?
          3. -1
            6 August 2021 15: 49
            Quote: Roman070280
            Why not compare ?? Since they live normally there, then it is possible !!

            Roma, what questions !!!!! can you go to work ???
            and then everything will be like in Denmark !!!! it's possible !!!!!
            1. 0
              6 August 2021 15: 58
              what questions!!!!! can you go to work ???
              and then everything will be like in Denmark !!!! it's possible !!!!!


              Finally, the culprit was found ..))

              True, the standard of living was compared on average across countries .. with average salaries and average pensions ..
              So maybe it’s not me doing a bad job, but you ??
              PS, although I personally doubt that all of us, again - on average, work 10 times worse than the Danes ..
              Therefore, as I wrote above, we think, think further ..))
              1. 0
                6 August 2021 16: 13
                Quote: Roman070280
                Finally, the culprit was found ..))

                and you do not consider yourself guilty?
                in vain ...
                and who, in your opinion, is to blame?
                anyone but you? - Well, this is not an adult!
      3. +3
        5 August 2021 16: 35
        Quote: Roman070280
        Yeah .. come on, tell us about how in Denmark the average rent is 9 times higher than the average in the Russian Federation .. fool

        Well, first of all, there is no democracy in Denmark. This is a constitutional MONARCHY !. There are fewer crooks who only know how to promise everything and everything. And really do not know how to do anything. So the people get more laughing
      4. -1
        6 August 2021 16: 28
        Quote: Roman070280
        Interest rate on mortgage loans in percent for 20 years fixed rate, annual, fixed rate
        0.06%

        The average dollar inflation rate was 3,79% per year from 1971 to the present, resulting in a cumulative rise in prices of 543,15% ......
        In other words, someone (well, houses are not built for free!) Subsidizes the purchase of a house for the Danes, as well as any other thing with a credit rate below 3,7% !!!!!!!!!

        here is the answer to why the Danes live so well ...
    4. -2
      5 August 2021 15: 47
      Subtract US $ 1 Minimum Rent from US Pension
      By the retirement of an American / European at least for one house, the mortgage has been fully paid. If not, they will provide social housing.
      1. +1
        5 August 2021 16: 45
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        Subtract US $ 1 Minimum Rent from US Pension
        By the retirement of an American / European at least for one house, the mortgage has been fully paid. If not, they will provide social housing.

        The mortgage is not free. This is at least $ 1 / month from the same salary for decades. There, mortgage payments are approximately equal to the cost of rented housing.
        1. -1
          5 August 2021 16: 51
          The mortgage is not free.
          It's clear Yes ... Paying a mortgage is generally cheaper than rent (in the West). And this is a completely reliable investment, and you still need to live somewhere. If you have lived without investing or inheriting anything, there will be social housing for you.
          This is a minimum of $ 1 / month
          For a married couple, this is not much. Again, rent is almost always more expensive.
          1. -2
            5 August 2021 16: 55
            Quote: Bolt Cutter

            This is a minimum of $ 1 / month
            For a married couple, this is not much. Again, rent is almost always more expensive.

            Yes, but we are talking about the fact that in the Russian Federation the rent for a pensioner is much cheaper. 22% of the pension of a lonely pensioner. And this is a significant difference in the abstract comparison of pensions.
            1. -1
              5 August 2021 16: 58
              RF rent for a pensioner is much cheaper. 22% of pension
              And what can you buy (and in what quantities) for the remaining 78%? With practically comparable prices for everything except excisable goods?
              1. -1
                5 August 2021 17: 01
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                RF rent for a pensioner is much cheaper. 22% of pension
                And what can you buy (and in what quantities) for the remaining 78%? With practically comparable prices for everything except excisable goods?

                I will answer as a non-working pensioner with five years of experience wink If you do not show off, then you can live. I cannot say that I strongly deny myself something. I do not smoke or drink, and this expense item is significant for my friends who complain about life. And my mother, 90+, also helps her grandchildren from her pension. There is parental leave.
                1. -1
                  5 August 2021 17: 05
                  If you are not chic, then you can live.
                  Here (England) is also possible. And in general, without boistering, you can live everywhere. The father-in-law with the mother-in-law (France) has a house and two cars. Once a year, they go to the Alps, once a year they go to the sea.
                  1. +3
                    5 August 2021 22: 57
                    Right now, they will tell you that in Russia, pensioners are all the same.
                2. +1
                  6 August 2021 09: 23
                  I don't smoke or drink
                  And you can also, for example, not eat meat ..
                  Well, since we're talking about "not chic" ..
                  Even cattle in a barn have the concept of "living is possible."
                  This is how half of the country survives ..
            2. +2
              5 August 2021 22: 56
              Do you distinguish rent from rent?
              Well, the rent is less than the rent! Marvelous!
              Now, think about a pension in the Russian Federation for rent, will a pensioner be able to rent a house?
              How much is there in percentage? 200? 400?
            3. +1
              6 August 2021 09: 21
              we are talking about the fact that in the Russian Federation the rent for a pensioner is much cheaper. 22% of the pension of a lonely pensioner.

              Yeah .. 3300 polls all pay straight ..))
              But for some reason, my father gives half of his pension for the rent in winter ..
              And this is not only a significant difference in the abstract comparison of pensions .. it is also laughter through tears looking at what is obtained in the remainder .. And what can you buy with it ..

              Shl .. how can a similar situation be compared with the American one .. Even if from a pension of 13 thousand they would not take for housing and communal services at all, it still will not bring us closer to a civilized life !!
          2. -5
            5 August 2021 18: 24
            If everyone pays a mortgage for retirement, and even not for one house, then why in the states more than half of the population does not have their own homes? There is no such percentage even in Europe, and even more so in Russia. We still live in Soviet apartments, but how will it go ... I hope this will give a powerful impetus to construction and related industries and will be affordable for us. Then the state will have to strain - now it is still tolerable.
            1. 0
              5 August 2021 18: 32
              If everyone pays a mortgage for retirement, and moreover, not for one house,
              Of course, not all, but those who work and earn money, and do not squander it all, besides. But this is not a problem, social housing will still be given.
              in the states, more than half of the population is homeless?
              Everyone has their own priorities. I hope you won't argue that life in the states is worse than in Russia?
              1. -2
                5 August 2021 18: 46
                Their class stratification is no worse than ours. Here are just poor areas where the police are afraid to call, we do not yet. And they have. A clerk served in my platoon until February. They didn't take to the front, he studied at the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, he knew English, he was an intelligent guy. It turned out he lived and worked in Los Angeles. He says at night in some areas it is better not to go out into the street - they shoot more than we did in 2014. Many of our shtofiles dream of this city. But not everyone will be able to survive there.
                1. 0
                  5 August 2021 18: 55
                  at night in some areas it is better not to go outside,
                  And you don't live in those areas. Live in the suburbs and drive to work.
                  they shoot more than we did in 2014
                  There are almost twice as many murders in Russia as in the United States in terms of population.
                  But not everyone will be able to survive there.
                  I was watching TV in Reykjavik - so they showed London so that I was already afraid to go back laughing but in fact it is quite normal and safe here.
                  1. +1
                    6 August 2021 08: 03
                    There are almost twice as many murders in Russia as in the United States in terms of population.


                    And if we check the stat?
                    1. 0
                      6 August 2021 10: 41
                      USA - 5.0 per 100000 snouts (2019) RF-8.21 for the same 100000 (2018). It is worth adding that if you have not "turned in" your accomplices, have not run into debt for drugs and have no problems with a gang in a neighboring area, then in the United States, your chances of being killed are even lower.
            2. -5
              6 August 2021 08: 09
              You know, but the presence of their own housing is probably not necessary for many, because you have to pay anything and everything for it, and if there is an opportunity to rent a house, being ready to jump in and leave, then many are quite happy with it. It's just that we have in Russia the thinking of a crippled peasant who grew up in the already well-fed Soviet years in a half-village and dreams of returning to childhood in his old age, not understanding how real peasants lived before the revolution, or what a private house is. For example, I dreamed in a nightmare to live in a cottage and grow something around it in the beds. This will cost an insane amount of resources and create a complete dependence on the car.
            3. 0
              6 August 2021 08: 10
              And yes, housing in Russia is much more affordable than in the United States.
      2. +1
        6 August 2021 16: 16
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        If not, they will provide social housing.

        Where are the homeless people from?
        1. +2
          6 August 2021 20: 25
          There you still have to manage to become a bum - these are antisocial marginals, who were even kicked out of the social apartment for alcohol and drug addiction. Or for renting this apartment to someone for real money in cash. In England, at least that's the case. I knew one such person here - the reserve captain of the USSR army belay
    5. +7
      5 August 2021 16: 01
      - Misha, where would you prefer to live?
      - Oh, Lyova, I would prefer not "where", but "how."
      1. 0
        6 August 2021 16: 34
        Quote: BIABIA
        - Oh, Lyova, I would prefer not "where", but "how."

        much philosophical than it seems at first glance!
    6. +8
      5 August 2021 16: 09
      Quote: Cube123
      What nonsense is illiterate. Again we compare "warm" with "soft".

      Let's compare smelly with beautiful ... Manhattan is one of the most expensive areas, and the US pension has not only state benefits, but also private pension funds, and an American's pension can be double or even triple.
      True, the conversation is not about this, but about the fact that you are sowing rotten grains here. The conversation is about why in Russia the average pension, average salary, minimum wage, living wage concerns ordinary citizens, and why, at the same time, the salaries of an increased number of officials, various government officials and other "parasites" (who do not produce people) have nothing to do with by these values?
      False promises, caring for oneself and relatives have exceeded the imaginable and inconceivable dimensions. Which of the officials who approved the minimum wage lived on this money for at least a month?
      And for us it becomes incomprehensible the continuing boorish attitude towards our own people. Why does the country pay Manturov crazy millions, while the country collects 155 rubles for one injection for children? Why is the number of officials growing in the country in the age of digitalization, IT technologies, software and desktop computers? It seems that all this nonsense about the reduction was invented only as an excuse.
      We have experience in the development of the USSR economy and we have something to compare with. In the USSR, pensioners helped their children, and in Russia they also go to the garbage dumps ...
      1. +11
        5 August 2021 16: 48
        Ross xnumx
        average pension, average salary, minimum wage, living wage apply to ordinary citizens, and why is the salary of the increased number of officials, various government officials and other "parasites" (who do not produce people) in any way connected with these values?
        Now you are right now not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. And Comrade I.V. Stalin will answer you.
        1. -5
          6 August 2021 08: 00
          That's right, you give the cultural revolution, everyone who graduated from the institute, cut down the forest, or if you think of something, don't work with your hands.
      2. -4
        6 August 2021 08: 03
        I'll tell you one thing, just don't be offended, but IT technologies do not solve the issue of what to do with people who have become useless.

        And what are some getting paid millions for? For the fact that they earn billions for the country.
        1. +4
          6 August 2021 08: 19
          Quote: EvilLion
          For the fact that they earn billions for the country.

          ??
          For the fact that they earn a billion for the countrylosses.
          1. -6
            6 August 2021 08: 23
            That is, the heads of concerns with billions of dollars in capitalizations, in your opinion, do nothing, and should receive, like a store director. Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich had more complex thoughts.
            1. +1
              6 August 2021 08: 44
              Quote: EvilLion
              That is, the heads of concerns with billions of dollars in capitalizations, in your opinion, do nothing, and should receive, like a store director.

              In our opinion, if there is some Steve Jobs in Russia, then no one will count his money, and if the heads of a state corporation with billions of dollars “warm up” people with no talent with primitive thinking and dubious economic performance in their activities, then their salary should not be higher than the salary of the head of state.
              She has more confidence:
          2. 0
            6 August 2021 14: 52
            What losses did Manturov bring to the country - can you give as an example?
    7. -1
      6 August 2021 00: 40
      Quote: Cube123
      What nonsense is illiterate. Again we compare "warm" with "soft".

      I agree!
      Quote: Cube123
      You need to compare income with mandatory expenses. Only then can we talk about something.

      only such a comparison is also
      Quote: Cube123
      "warm" with "soft"

      you replace one lie for another ...
      1. 0
        6 August 2021 08: 59
        Quote: NEOZ
        you replace one lie for another ...

        You just don't understand the economic meaning of this indicator. If you deduct the compulsory expenses from your income, you will be left with exactly what you have left "for life."
    8. +1
      6 August 2021 10: 30
      If you are comparing Manhattan then in Russia you need to take into account housing with a view of the Kremlin. The sad fact is that the standard of living in Russia is falling lower and lower, and even all sorts of comparisons in terms of purchasing power parity no longer help.
      1. 0
        6 August 2021 14: 56
        Yes, that's just the GDP at PPP every year, except for 2020, due to the lockdown in Russia, and in 2022 the same will continue to grow as the nominal GDP, the trade turnover within the country increases as well as export deliveries.
  8. +4
    5 August 2021 15: 14
    Author Tatyana Petrova, please tell us where you get the numbers that, as you say ... "according to official statistics"?
    Either I have forgotten how to use the site gks.ru, or you have your own "official statistics".
  9. +6
    5 August 2021 15: 16
    The average temperature in the hospital is 36.6, including the purulent department of the morgue (c)
  10. +13
    5 August 2021 15: 16
    Russians are getting poorer not only greatly, but also rapidly - by almost 10 percent every year.
    The increase in August 2021 will not exceed the amount of 279 rubles.Now let's get it on! crying
    1. +13
      5 August 2021 15: 52
      It's not the right word! It's not even funny anymore, it looks like outright mockery.
    2. +10
      5 August 2021 16: 57
      Only now we have pleased. Received an SMS about the transfer of the pension, 238 rupels more than last month. Hooray.
    3. +8
      5 August 2021 19: 29
      My wife's pension was increased by 300 rubles (working pensioner, pension 17900), I advised her not to deny herself anything.
      1. -5
        5 August 2021 21: 37
        Yes, even if they raised up to 25000 - one fig would not be enough, but even to raise pensions to such an amount for all pensioners, and we have 46 million pensioners, then 4.5 trillion rubles of additional deductions are needed every year - where is such an amount every year to take a question open - not to the detriment of all budget spending.
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    1. -4
      5 August 2021 16: 27
      The only normal person (nickname - out of habit). Once in my life I took out a loan (although there was enough money) - in the bank of Kolomoisky, the sponsor of the Nazi battalions, and left as a volunteer for Donbass. What intelligence do you need to have to take out a loan for a vacation in Turkey-Egypt? And for repairs? I understand the pipes need to be changed or the plumbing - if you flood your neighbors it will be more expensive. But some just want to change the color of the wallpaper ...
      1. +3
        5 August 2021 23: 06
        Recently, too, an idea came to me about loans.
        Credit in modern conditions is hypnotic and fetters.
        I will not develop a thought ...
        It would be desirable to prohibit loans for those who do not have an income of 100000 rubles per month.
        I think it could be a good effect in the end.
  13. +6
    5 August 2021 15: 36
    At first glance, there should be no problems
    The people believe that a sufficient income for a family is 61 thousand.
    So this is practically the average salary in Russia - it is approaching 60 thousand!
    That is, with one worker in the family, happiness should come, and with two workers, so in general prosperity. But for some reason it does not come.
    The little casket is constantly opening - the difference in income among different groups and in different regions is too strong.
    It is much more realistic to estimate income if we take the ratio between the average and the minimum wage. If three have 15 thousand each, then there is one who has 175 thousand. And on average, it will be 55.
    In reality, the four- to five-fold difference between the average and minimum wages shows a monstrous stratification of incomes - when formally the average salary is high, and the real one for the majority of the population is low: (((
  14. -21
    5 August 2021 15: 50
    Once you have:
    - Internet access
    - a device for accessing a topvar
    - time to write angry comments in the middle of the working day
    then nichrome you are not poor.
    1. +14
      5 August 2021 15: 56
      And you did not take into account that there are many pensioners here? And here we are, I will report to you, here, to put it mildly, not rich, can you imagine ...
      1. +5
        5 August 2021 18: 54
        It's right:
        We have: oligarchs, beggars, very poor, extremely poor, the most beggars, beggars nowhere further, absolutely beggars, beggars absolutely beggars, beggars, which do not exist.

        To set the mood:
    2. +2
      5 August 2021 15: 58
      Quote: Angry Troll
      then nichrome you are not poor.

      "We lived very poorly, and then we were robbed."
  15. -1
    5 August 2021 16: 07
    These figures and calculations show that Russians live in the state they wanted to live in! In a bourgeois one with elements of feudalism and signs of autocratic rule ... Just simply! Dreams that the Russian inhabitants will be able to drag them into the "new" state, as an opportunity to earn money as "businessmen" and to drive around in "Merciers" and "Behahs" and live in cottages; so the old social guarantees turned out to be unrealizable. Like Agafya's dreams Tikhonovna, intending to combine "Ivan Pavlovich's stoutness" with "Nikanor Ivanovich's lips" and "Ivan Kuzmich's nose"! To live in capitalism, where 95% of the state of the country belongs to 5% of the proprietors and to want a social "freebie" to the fullest is the same nonsense as simple-minded women! The citizens of Russia themselves, "thanks" to their indifference, allowed them to destroy the socialist (social) state and build a post-Soviet state, which "suddenly" turned out to be beyond the means of most of them!
    1. -3
      5 August 2021 16: 20
      That's right, at first they cheerfully ruined the USSR, and now they are surprised that the poor.
      1. -9
        5 August 2021 21: 47
        In the USSR, and so everyone was well, almost everyone - equally poor.
    2. +8
      5 August 2021 17: 12
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Russians live in the state in which they wanted to live!


      Of course no. They just wanted to live better than they did in the USSR. To live better than before is, in general, a completely normal desire. And most of the people were against the liquidation of the USSR.

      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      The citizens of Russia themselves, "thanks" to their indifference, allowed to destroy the socialist (social) state


      Of course no. The overwhelming majority of the citizens of the USSR were law-abiding people and they massively expected that the state crisis would be overcome by specially selected people who were put in their high offices for this. At the same time, there were no laws or perfected behavioral skills for actions in a situation of force majeure for an ordinary person from the people, so no one knew what to do.

      Blame ordinary people who do not know what to do in a non-standard situation and at the same time do not blame those who have eaten deliciously, drank sweetly and lived beautifully at the expense of the whole of society for years, in order to clearly and competently solve the problem hanging over the country at the very moment of crisis, all these here are the KGB, the police, the party and the government, this is the height of cynicism.
      Another thing is that at the end of the existence of the USSR, it was the top officials of the KGB, the police, the party and the government that became its main problem.
      1. +2
        5 August 2021 18: 26
        I don't know how to treat you ... to pity you for your naivety and conscientious delusion ... or to be indignant at your conscious demagoguery !? The people are not to blame? Who better to blame?
        1. 0
          6 August 2021 13: 36
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          I don't know how to treat you ... sorry for your naivety and conscientious delusion


          I personally do not need to be treated in any way. Here is a discussion not of me, but of a specific topic. Either the interlocutor has something to say directly on the topic, or there is nothing to say on the topic.

          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          or resent your conscious demagoguery !?


          Demagoguery is the second name for sophistry. Sophistry is a collection of vile, fraudulent discussion techniques. In order to reasonably assert that the interlocutor allegedly uses methods from the arsenal of sophistry, you must first prove this with specific examples.

          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          your conscious


          The interlocutor's thoughts are not known for certain. Therefore, it is impossible to say unequivocally whether he uses certain methods on purpose or not.
          1. 0
            6 August 2021 16: 49
            Nuuu, my friend .... you are not only a demagogue; but you are an awesome bore too! I'm not interested in you!
            1. 0
              9 August 2021 16: 32
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Nuuu, my friend ... you are not only a demagogue; but you are an awesome bore too!


              Serious topics require serious discussion. It’s even strange that this has to be explained.
              If you want to giggle, you can always go to the corresponding sites with anecdotes or new jokes by Petrosyan.
  16. +1
    5 August 2021 16: 13
    laughing It's elementary, Watson! There is simply "we" (there are many of us, most of the country), and there are those who need "we". There are few of them, but they have a lot. laughing Such is the unforgettable arichmetika.
  17. +6
    5 August 2021 16: 15
    And Rosstat was even "influenced" by the pre-election race! belay
  18. +4
    5 August 2021 16: 20
    The main thing is not the exchange rate of the ruble against the dollar, the main thing is how much of these rubles drips per month.
    Do you know what course we have in Azerbaijan? 1 $ = 1.7 AZN
    One dollar = One point seven Azerbaijani.
    (Before the crisis, 1 AZN = 1 Euro, one to one with Euro.)
    and what do you think, life is better than in Russia?
    Ehh .. The reason is in another friend, in another ..
  19. +8
    5 August 2021 16: 30
    Can you look deeper at the process ?! hi The author set the direction. Colleagues began to respond. So, to our "rams" (questions) and possibly your ANSWERS ....
    1. Everything is fine with “us” Rosstat: “... In the last days of July, Rosstat, not without pathos and even claims to victorious reports, said that for the first time during a pandemic in the second quarter of 2021, an increase in real incomes of Russians was recorded. our dear readers, our income has grown by as much as 6,8 percent ... " - the answer of the number on VO: Well, Russians are different, if you are from the upper echelons of society, you get richer, and if you are from the lower echelons, then quite the opposite. Dialectics however. Read Capital Marx..
    Question: Let's see (full name, photo, etc.) who are TE and others. Where they live, indigenous or "guest". What levels and niches do they occupy - power, financial, nat. The same Rosstat RF and the USSR census data. How does THIS affect the situation in the Russian Federation and its subjects ?! After all, VO is a place to discuss security and defense issues and external and internal factors affecting IT ?! Nothing personal, just a desire to calculate the defense capability of the Russian Federation according to the classics (Sun Tzu). There are also our sages in their homeland, but the former is more tolerant ... feel
    2. There is a "steadily growing" monogroup in the "pandemic", which manages the process from 1917 ... break, and from 1991 ... to the media bully (i.e. the MP forms the state of the citizens of the Russian Federation. Ave. - apathy to go to the polls, the growth of cruelty and aggression of adolescents and not only, or Urya-yaya ... to what-will, whatever the will ...) ... see item 1.
    But, there is also a steadily growing and constantly stimulated imported part[/ b] especially THIS growth in number and growth in prosperity (apartment, car, number of children, place in the hierarchy in local business and more and more confident in the local government (now and for a long time even in the authoritative). [b] not to see THIS Maybe, from streets on holidays, to schools (kindergartens, etc.), "neighbors" region, district, street, house, entrance. Briefs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB. Those. The indigenous fauna in the base with a "controlled" influence on the internal "climate" dries up, and the new one is stimulated to the maximum. How it is planned, org-Xia, created and as a result ... it turns out the Catastrophe, see Pr. France (a look from the inside - E. Chudinova "Abduction of Europe, Islamization and the trap of tolerance", more globally and in development - A. Zinoviev "The Global Super Society and Russia).
    3. If nbuild a simple scheme with positive and negative feedback. That, there is an activation - what and To whom and how FLARA and FAUNA change, with a common sign. what The process of "solving" the QUESTION is not "washing", "rolling", external or internal factors, it does not matter. The GOAL is important - Carthage MUST be destroyed. How - does not matter - how historical Carthage, OR how was it "created" the mentioned historical Khazaria. The second option, the beneficiary bully more profitable, THIS is not the hackneyed angry STATES with their Yellowstone, BLM, Latinos, etc., but quite a "new Wild West" with huge potential and almost ready "flora and fauna" with a previously successfully worked out control system with + and - Arr Communication ... The beneficiary does not care, the main thing is to STEER in THIS country, Indians, not his problem ... The form is changing, but not the content ...
    R.S. Probably boring and boring, colleagues are not interested. I hope NOT, but I hope to at least read it ... negative ... As in 1914, 1917, 1941, 1991 and everyday problems are all too busy and everything seems to be "knurled" and everyday .... True, then it was "fun". By the way about the classics, about the Bible. Moses led his people in the desert for 40 years and only when the last one who remembered Egyptian slavery died, HE brought his people to the PROMISED land ...Our process is going "faster" (if we draw a primitive analogy) 30 years (September 2021) or + 3 years (March 2024 is assumed). Those. colleagues "... the orchestra thunders bass, the trumpeter blows out copper. Think for yourself, decide for yourself to have or NOT to HAVE ..." hi Bolivar will not stand ...
    1. -3
      5 August 2021 16: 51
      Moses led his people in the desert for 40 years and only when the last one who remembered Egyptian slavery died, HE brought his people to earth
      Solzhenitsyn. "In the first circle"
      Reading? wink
      1. +1
        10 August 2021 17: 22
        out of habit (Andrey Moskvin) - August 5, 2021 16:51- ".... Moses led his people in the desert for 40 years and only when the last one who remembered Egyptian slavery died, ...... Solzhenitsyn. In the first circle," We read ... "

        If you:
        - about this "biblical" story, then, for those who think it has a good hint ... of reality; bully
        - If about Solzhenitsyn, that is on a very big liberal "gourmet",, for the rest Moveton (from French mauvais ton - bad taste), bad manners; manners and actions that are not accepted in good society. But even ON, he reacted very negatively to the "young but talented" economist "A. Gaidar upon his arrival in the 90s.
        hi
        1. +1
          10 August 2021 19: 13
          Drop the mentor tone, I'm not a schoolboy, but about the fact that Moses did not lead, but drove, once read at Isaich's, so I remembered.
  20. 0
    5 August 2021 17: 08
    ... In the second quarter of 2021, an increase in the real incomes of Russians was recorded. In annual terms, our dear readers, our income has grown by as much as 6,8 percent ...

    Another beautiful phrase is to recalculate in annual terms.
    That is, real incomes grew by 1,7 percent in the second quarter, but looks prettier in the annualized one.
  21. -4
    5 August 2021 18: 17
    There are fewer and fewer questions. And soon we will only talk about the weather. From serious topics the interlocutors turn back. Nobody wants to look at the root. They only shake the trunk to see what has long been seen. What are the questions?
  22. +2
    5 August 2021 18: 20
    In the constructed system, when the volume of proceeds supplied to the top should not under any circumstances fall, the mass of expensive Russians can only hope for a vegetable garden and the wives' ability to sew and sell clothes. Very suspiciously quickly, our incomes and in general the ruble collapsed, they hope for the arrival of foreign investors or that China will transfer its bloom to us because of the cheap slave of power (so fancy, we have no subtrp and ports convenient with other logistics, not to mention education and quantity this slave of power in general).
    1. -2
      5 August 2021 21: 57
      Very suspiciously quickly our incomes and in general the ruble collapsed, they hope for the arrival of foreign investors. Without this, economic growth will correspond to the current 2 -3% per year so that the economy grows, investments are needed, new sales markets and, accordingly, new goods and services that are in demand in the world. So from the sanctions Russia every year loses from 200 to 350 billion dollars of potential turnover - 14 - 23 trillion rubles are huge amounts.
  23. +5
    5 August 2021 18: 32
    Of course, irresistible inflation led to such an unpleasant result.

    Inflation in our country is not irresistible, but planned ahead of time. I already gave a link in my post to:
    01.08.2021 The head of the Central Bank Elvira Nabiullina said that inflation in Russia will be a long-term phenomenon.

    https://finobzor.ru/108537-shabanov-infljacija-oznachaet-vosstanovlenie-jekonomiki.html?utm_source=topwar.ru
    Inflation is a steady increase in the general level of prices for goods and services in the economy.
    Only Russian inflation is created artificially. It is created by the planned increase in tariffs and prices of raw materials and energy monopolies. From this, prices rise everywhere. But that's not all. The very policy of setting prices, evaluating the real labor of the productive forces is turned inside out.
    The economy is geared towards the pursuit of profit for private owners. Absolutely everything is used here, from the rates on deposits and loans, ending with the setting of prices (from the bulldozer) for water, electricity, fuel and food. The population of Russia has been turned into a herd with no rights, which is simply driven to slaughter.
    And how many privileges did our "self-appointees" legitimize for themselves in the legislative branch ... Why self-appointees? Because the parties that did not collect 5% of the votes are not taken into account at all. Can you imagine? The distribution of mandates is carried out according to the Hare-Niemeyer method. Who is this and what is it? Are there really no smart people in Russia who are able to create their own method?
    People who have seized power are not able to give it up in fair elections. It is clear that in this situation they will be left out. How much can you feed the parasites who do not even want to just go down to the sinful Russian land.
    An economic system when the results of labor and income from the sale of the country's natural resources go (according to established laws) to the needs of several percent of the population will inevitably lead either to the destruction of statehood or to a social explosion. But the hope is that the poor and disenfranchised (deprived of rights and freedoms, decent earnings and medical support) will be able to resist a multimillion army of officials, representatives of law enforcement and fiscal structures, when the law for a "jump in place" can impose a fine, when a police officer comes to you "to help" only if you have a poster or banner in your hands - is insignificant.
    hi
  24. +8
    5 August 2021 18: 56
    But this was:

    How convincingly this young man explains to the correspondent the advantages of capitalism, I wonder how he is doing now, he must have become an oligarch, like everyone else around him.
    1. -8
      5 August 2021 21: 58
      Surely much better than then.
    2. +1
      9 August 2021 18: 57
      Well, he thought that under capitalism there would be the same buns, like free apartments, vouchers to sanatoriums, penny travel and public services, the absence of inflation as under socialism, but plus the sea spilled in everything in a row and also free. But something suddenly went wrong ...
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  26. +1
    5 August 2021 22: 07
    If you urgently, just vital, a portion of high-quality double lies, contact RosStat, these will never let you down! ))))
  27. +2
    6 August 2021 07: 58
    It’s probably hard to write from a Turkish resort.
  28. +2
    6 August 2021 08: 38
    Tatyana, an interesting article with conclusions and spreads, but as I wrote earlier (to all authors), not all figures are confirmed by your conclusions, or the conclusions are not unambiguous.
    For example, you wrote that you should not blindly believe the statistics and some statements, while you do not analyze them yourself. You write: ".. For example, over the past year alone, the welfare of Russian households has decreased by 338 billion - not rubles, but dollars ..." Terrible numbers, but is it worth believing them ?? Have you counted how much is it for each household ?? Even if we take that there are about 54 million households in the Russian Federation (2010 statistics 56 million, and I took 2,7 people per household), dividing one by the other we get that each household in the Russian Federation lost $ 6 in a year, i.e. 259 thousand rubles, i.e. RUB 460 / month.
    Thus, it turns out that in almost every family in Russia, one of the spouses was fired from work or (if they earn good money) the salary was cut in half? We will not refer to the oligarchs, everyone and everywhere writes that they basically get rich !! The arithmetic is simple.
    The question is: is it worth believing such data and posting them in the material?
  29. +1
    6 August 2021 10: 02
    And the fact that at the same time in nominal terms average pension increased very noticeable - by 5,6% compared to June 2020, reaching 15 thousand 822 rubles, in fact, does not change anything.


    It's only about $ 216. A little, but the above table "What pensions in the world" does not fully reflect the real situation. Why?

    Presumably, in Poland, the average pension in March 2021 was PLN 2545 (USD 662), and the minimum guaranteed pension was PLN 1250 (USD 325).
    220 people receive the minimum pension in Poland out of 000 million of all pensioners.

    The amounts should be higher than in Russia, but the cost of living, housing and food needs to be considered in both countries.

    Then the situation changes slightly, and the real amounts in the so-called. The "purchasing power" of Russians will be the same, and perhaps even greater, than in Poland.
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  30. +5
    6 August 2021 12: 16
    This is the essence of capitalism, the poor are getting poorer and the rich richer. And the laws of the market do not at all care about the creation of broad strata of the middle class (as we were told at the dawn of capitalism), but about the concentration of funds with a handful of super-rich, who will eventually rule thanks to the new technologies that are now being introduced.
  31. 0
    6 August 2021 18: 03
    Most of all, it infuriates that many of those present here are beginning to look for the reasons for the current deplorable state in external factors and the Americans and the Zionist conspiracy, etc. Normal enterprises, with good intentions, are united in corporations, etc., they put a friend of the close ones at the head and that's all, no sense. Also in agriculture In words, the development of private property is widely declared, which is the basis of the economy, no matter how anyone likes it But it doesn't go beyond the scenery Why? But because he is a private trader, whether in industry or in agriculture, he is a person of progressive views, and naturally, he will start asking a lot of uncomfortable questions for the authorities, and maybe not only asking. And the current government needs this? That's right, no So this private trader is being strangled in all sorts of ways And the whole State is an ineffective owner This is where so many further conclusions can be drawn. Everything is very simple.
  32. 0
    6 August 2021 21: 59
    why so poor? you will never get rich here if a country works entirely and completely for the external market, without developing its industry, with a link to foreign exchange reserves of other countries and a convertible ruble, with unregulated flows of money, and, as a result, with income distortions within the country by regions, this is a resource donor protecting his laughing wealth with a strong army inherited by her
  33. +2
    6 August 2021 22: 46
    Our wonderful government loves to forget the past so that the future seems more beautiful. Let me remind you (and this is the official figure) that the transferable ruble for foreign trade operations in 1950 "cost" 0,222168 g of gold. Those. for today it is almost 1000 rubles. In 1970, an analogue of the Transferable Ruble, but for the dollar, was launched at the "price" of 0,888671 g of gold. That. a little less than $ 4 was given per ruble. Today the "golden dollar" is worth around 3 rubles. What do we have at the output of reasoning and calculations? And the fact that the real dollar exchange rate, subject to parity in foreign trade, is 759 rubles per dollar. If we consider that the US economy is 4 times larger than the Russian one, then this is 5 rubles. But not 20 as it is now. The authorities have repeatedly admitted that there is plenty of money! Where, from whom? Why, while labor productivity in the United States is only 75 times higher than the Russian salary, our wages are at least 2,4 times lower? People do not pay extra, in my opinion, solely on the basis of the "wishes" of certain elites. Those in power - first of all.
  34. -1
    7 August 2021 14: 27
    Rosstat, not without pathos and even claims to victorious reports, said that for the first time during the pandemic in the second quarter of 2021, an increase in the real incomes of Russians was recorded. In annual terms, our dear readers, our income has grown by as much as 6,8 percent.

    There is a famous saying about lies and Trotsky, but I will not voice it - they will be punished again laughing So, since 2014, my wife and I have not changed anything in the amount of income - the same figure (+/-) in our unsinkable rubles. But the price tags have changed 2-3 times. Not prices (those we have are stable in yo - from bread with meat to gasoline with oil ... palm), but price tags, our rubles ... So this unworthy Rossat whistles, like that Trotsky.
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  37. 0
    7 August 2021 17: 26
    "And a fifth of our citizens are generally forced to work hard for a monthly salary of 10 thousand rubles or less." This is generally a criminal offense, pay less than the minimum wage wink
    There are no letters to the prosecutor's office for such an employer, which means that these "fifth of our citizens" work part-time, and the rest are received "in an envelope." lol
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      7 August 2021 19: 04
      They don't get a shit in an envelope, the fashion has passed for a long time, it's just that most people have no choice, they don't like their work-salary, go for a walk. I (and not only me) were not paid a salary for six months, I collected all the documents and handed it over to the court, after 3 months the answer came - contact the magistrate and that's it.
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        7 August 2021 19: 27
        We write to the tax and prosecutor's office, and directly from the State Services, the reaction in 2-3 days!
        Usually the case ends with a fine of 450 thousand. for the employer Yes
  38. +1
    7 August 2021 18: 58
    In order for the country and the population to grow rich, an increase in real production is needed, and in the Russian Federation there are 8 million unemployed, 15.5 million officials, with servants and guards. That is, 23.5 million do not produce anything, but there are also banks, trade, services, etc. That is, less than half of the 70 million working-age population work in real production. Where will the wealth come from if thousands of enterprises are closed in the Russian Federation, and money from the sale of energy resources goes to foreign banks for lending to the United States and NATO countries.
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      7 August 2021 19: 30
      We copied and pasted the entire training manual lol
      They pay you well for your work there. wink
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    11 August 2021 10: 14
    Money cannot simply disappear, it can only flow smoothly from one pockets to another. Why, during the time of impoverishment, some others get richer. It's not just the pandemic that's to blame all the time.

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