Admiral of the US Navy called the conditions for the opening of fire on Russian ships and aircraft

NATO forces do not intend to be the first to open fire on Russian ships and aircraft in case of provocations on their part. This was stated by the commander of the US Navy in Europe and Africa, Admiral Robert Burke.

According to the admiral, Russian ships and aircraft in the Black Sea are constantly provoking NATO ships, as well as their allies and partners. However, in order to open fire, the ship commanders must have a good reason. Therefore, NATO does not intend to be the first to "make the first strike."

At the same time, NATO commanders themselves assess the danger of this or that maneuver of a Russian ship or aircraft and make their own decisions. The command does not require them to be the first to open fire, but they do not intend to simply "close their eyes" to provocations in the US Navy.

It can be argued that they provoke us to strike first. We are not going to do this first without provocation, but at the same time I am not going to require my commanders to take the first blow to the jaw.

- said Burke, adding that in most cases, the actions of the Russian aviation and the ships are professional.

The admiral noted that Russian ships almost all the time accompany NATO ships that entered the Black Sea. According to him, Russia has recently significantly modernized its armed forces, including the navy, which has been replenished with new ships and submarines.

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[antivirus]

The Gulf of Mexico must support freedom of navigation.

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[Zaurbek]

It was handed over long ago ... ... no Cuba, no freedom. She, like Crimea, in the black sea

[Doccor18]

Quote: antivirus

Gulf of Mexico needs to support freedom of navigation

To do this, you need to have a huge combat oceanic Fleet, and in order to have it, for a start, you need to acquire the first economy of the World and the equivalent of a global monetary unit ...
And when all this will be, then you can safely shout patriotic chants and go "to ensure free navigation" in remote waters.
In the meantime, start the production of gearboxes ...

[Walking towards the light]

And titanium eggs)). In order not to "blink" if that.)) It's amazing how you were not minded by the hurray-hats.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Walking towards the light

what.)) It's amazing how you were not minded by the jingo-hats.

So there are not so many of them, it seems ...
The majority are the Patriots.
And the difference between these categories is the ability to think.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

"Russian ships and aircraft in the Black Sea are constantly provoking NATO ships, as well as their allies and partners."

Funny and insolent this American Admiral Burke! So I said the above ... But correctly I WOULD say: "Russian ships and planes in the Black Sea are constantly HANDLING NATO ships, as well as their allies and partners, CLIMBING INTO RUSSIAN TERRITORIAL WATERS."

[Tatyana]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Funny and insolent this American Admiral Burke! So he said the above ... But it WOULD be correct to say: "Russian ships and aircraft in the Black Sea are constantly HANDLING NATO ships, as well as their allies and partners CLIMBING INTO RUSSIAN TERRITORIAL WATERS."

And to the commander of the US Navy in Europe and Africa Admiral Robert Burke just doesn't like the PRESENCE of Russian ships, as such, in the Black Sea! He needs so that there were no Russian ships there AT ALL.

At the same time, you involuntarily ask yourself a question. And where on the planet is Russia - and where is the United States itself, that their American ships supposedly just "peacefully" plow the waters in the Black Sea?

[sanya_sergant]

To do this, you need to have a huge combat ocean fleet,

Not at all necessary. Everything that you have listed is necessary in order to dictate your will to the whole World. And what would tickle someone's nerves, arrange a small provocation, you need a little of all of the above, strong nerves and reinforced concrete rear cover. We have all this in stock.

[Walking towards the light]

A small tickle of nerves can turn into a big kaput. Remember the Tonkin incident. Or the drowning of the RMS Lusitania?

[sanya_sergant]

Exactly. You tell Defender this.

[Doccor18]

Quote: sanya_sergant

arrange a little provocation ..

No matter how it sounds ... but I think Russia is such a country that should have much more opportunities than for "small provocations", because it was originally given much more than others: a gigantic territory, huge resources, the Russian unyielding People and the great Russian Language.

[Michael67]

"According to the admiral, Russian ships and aircraft in the Black Sea are constantly provoking NATO ships ...". The only question is - what have you forgotten in the Black Sea, reptilian ghouls !!? Not enough sprat? Write, we will send. Don't count on red mullet. I have no words. Their borzometer jammed. It's time to pour grease. I put it allegorically.

[Proxima]

Did the general understand what he said?

[Peak]

Quote: Proxima

Did the general understand what he said?

admiral

In general, why would an American (NATO) admiral-general understand ?

Uniform cap on the head "sits like a glove" , already good

[Lech from Android.]

Of course I understood ... his task is to war with us.
And so the insolence of the Anglo-Saxons is off the charts, military exercises are being conducted near our borders, they are rattling weapons and they are accusing us of something else ... crooks.
We must always remember 1941 and be always ready to start hostilities with NATO and the United States.
It is foolish to hope for the peacefulness of the Anglo-Saxons and their allies.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Of course I understood ... his task is to war with us.

His task is to puff out his cheeks and threaten him. He has little guts for a war with us.

[Blackbeard]

the most reasonable phrase: "if you want peace, prepare for war"

[Umalta]

Well, you really, strain your head, because it can swell, you look and break the cap

[out of habit]

They provoke us, but we will not do it first without provocation.

Klitschko is resting.

[smart ass]

What is incomprehensible the general called the conditions necessary for his suicide in the Black Sea

[Dimy4]

Is the destroyer not a relative to him, or just a namesake?

[Peak]

Quote: Dimy4

Is the destroyer not a relative to him, or just a namesake?

No, just myself - "man and steamer" .

[mojohed2012]

The news occasion has already been hit by the day as 3. But in essence the admiral said the following: If the Russians threaten, we will answer. We will not wait for a blow to the jaw from the Russians .... In fact, the admiral said nothing - some kind of nonsense! And from this they inflated the news that almost World War 3 begins! The article is exactly the same - we will support the advertising of the American Navy in the world in Russia. Let us be afraid once again of their scarecrows! ...

[Lech from Android.]

Who knows that the admiral will climb into the head ... he will take it to the Crimea on a destroyer ... What will we do with him?

[Alexander 3]

This general will be explained to another world.

[mojohed2012]

That's the point - their sick talk in our country responds as something serious and threatening. In fact - every verbiage of their government officials, admirals, lieutenants and others - should not be commented on in our media and on VO. Tomorrow this admiral will throw himself from the 23rd floor, shouting, the Russians are coming - so what? Also comment ...

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: mojohed2012

Tomorrow this admiral will throw himself from the 23rd floor with shouts the Russians are coming - so what? Also comment ...

There will be very good news ... This is what will need to be commented on. Let them stand in line to be thrown out of the window from the 23rd floor. As they say, every whim!

[Umalta]

I think to drown by all means differently so the "case law" can be formed. Or at least after a warning to break the stern with the propellers and rudders, to delay the team.

[Peak]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Who knows what the admiral will climb into the head ... will take it to the Crimea on a destroyer ... What will we do with him?

Putin said - "We will drown".

And to the "jerked admiral", in that case, as luck would have it - either the "bul-bul" together with the destroyer, or it will come out and be brought to justice.

[aszzz888]

However, in order to open fire, the ship commanders must have a good reason.

And this will be their last blow.

[Per se.]

At the same time, NATO commanders themselves assess the danger of this or that maneuver of a Russian ship or aircraft and make their own decisions.

As if there was not a new likeness of Robert Willis.

[rocket757]

Admiral of the US Navy called the conditions for the opening of fire on Russian ships and aircraft

... If he is a real admiral, he must understand that until the commander blocks everything that can shoot, CAPITALLY, the first, random shot can happen regardless of his decisions / command.

[knn54]

-Proxima: The General himself understood what he said?
That he was an admiral.
.. "The aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces is behaving incorrectly over the Black Sea and other waters in relation to the ships of the NATO bloc ..
The ships of the Russian Navy constantly accompany the ships of the NATO countries, but they do it safely and professionally, although they are aimed at "intimidating" opponents. At the same time, Russian aviation is behaving "defiantly", trying to force NATO to open fire.
When a strike aircraft flies directly over a destroyer at an altitude of 100 feet (30,5 meters), ours decide for themselves whether she prepares to attack or not. It can be argued that they provoke us to strike first. We are not going to do this without provocation, but at the same time I will not require my commanders to take the first blow to the jaw ..
Russia continues to pose a serious existential threat to the United States. I believe that today it is the same threat as the USSR was during the Cold War "...
And the last:
"Seizure" of Crimea and restriction of access to neutral (international) waters have become "extreme" forms of "intimidation" by the Russian Federation. Now many countries are afraid to enter some water areas, which the Russians were trying to achieve. Russia is "not a giant whose sea is knee-deep. "But she seriously modernized her troops and learned lessons."

[alstr]

If an airplane flies by a ship, then it can no longer attack, because he has already passed the line of attack.

[Avior]

Free falling
bombs are dropped exactly like that

[alstr]

Bombs are not dropped over the ship from a height of 30 meters. there is a chance to get hit by your own fragments and fragments from the ship.
Plus, you need to very accurately calculate the reset time. Therefore, the bomb is dropped BEFORE passing over the ship. hence, if the plane ALREADY FLIES OVER the ship, then this is only a warning.

Therefore, if I remember correctly, in order to avoid incidents, it is forbidden in peacetime to enter a warship exactly from the bow or stern.

[voyaka uh]

"in peacetime, enter a warship exactly from the bow or stern." ///
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It's right.
Crossing the course counts as a warning. And above the ship on the course - an aggressive act.

[Lynx2000]

Quote: voyaka uh

"in peacetime, enter a warship exactly from the bow or stern." ///
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It's right.
Crossing the course counts as a warning. And above the ship on the course - an aggressive act.

There is one caveat. If, in peacetime, a foreign warship enters the territorial waters of the Russian Federation, does not respond to requests from border guards about ownership and the reasons for such a maneuver, the border aviation aircraft flies over (along the course of the ship above it and from the side, against the course) in order to establish its ownership. The use of combat aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces is already a matter of operational coordination and assessment of the threat from such a "call." The situation is the same with other foreign vessels. If the vessel is found in the ter. waters and econom. the zone does not respond to the request of the border vessel, when it approaches, it tries to leave, and, if possible, they use border aviation, using the above maneuvers, up to a warning fire along the course of movement of the intruder.

[Avior]

A ship and a battle ship are not the same thing.

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Avior

A ship and a battle ship are not the same thing.

I know, so I gave two different examples. Having indicated the vessel, I meant a fishing, poaching, or refrigerated transport with a cargo of products unaccounted for by the SSD on board.

[Avior]

Monstrous ships have different status
The ship can stop the ship if there are reasons, including in international waters, and not only in territorial

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Avior

Monstrous ships have different status
The ship can stop the ship if there are reasons, including in international waters, and not only in territorial

According to the Convention on the High Seas, the term “warship” is used to confirm that a ship belongs to the Navy of a state.
A warship, with the exception of cases involving interventions based on international treaties, having met a foreign merchant ship on the high seas has the right to subject it to inspection in the following cases:
- if such a ship is suspected of piracy;
- such a ship is used in the slave trade;
- although a foreign flag is hoisted on it, or it refuses to raise a flag, in reality it has the same identity as a warship.
If the suspicions turn out to be erroneous, the vessel did not take any action caused by the suspicions, the losses must be compensated.

In the manual on international humanitarian law for the RF Armed Forces, the features of the application of the norms of international humanitarian law in the conduct of hostilities by the forces of the fleet are spelled out.

[Avior]

I wrote about that. None of this about inspection applies to warships, a completely different status.

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Avior

I wrote about that. None of this about inspection applies to warships, a completely different status.

Initially, I wrote about the invasion of the territorial waters of the Russian Federation, and it doesn't matter if it is a foreign warship or a foreign merchant / fishing vessel. Moreover, he wrote not about the inspection, but about establishing belonging by flying around (the presence of a flag, IMO number, military side number, the presence of a possible prohibited cargo on board, etc.) of such a warship / merchant ship in cases where the border service does not respond to a request. Such measures are taken in cases where the passage into the territorial waters of a foreign warship is not agreed with the Russian Federation, there is no answer about the reasons (loss of speed, temporary entry into the shelter bays by storm). If the reasons for the entry of a foreign warship into the territorial waters of the Russian Federation are not valid, such an action, according to the m / n rules, is considered an unfriendly gesture, the task is to expel from the state border.

[Avior]

I saw a typo
Correct - ships and ships have different status

[Walking towards the light]

Entry into the territorial waters of the country is a pretext for war. It is not necessary to replace the concept. Along or across is not important, the fact of violation of the state border is important. Or will Heil ha-yam also measure "up or down"?

[Avior]

... Bombs are not dropped over the ship from a height of 30 meters. there is a chance of getting hit by your own fragments

The Argentines did just that - they dropped them from an extremely low altitude during the war with the British.

[alstr]

The extremely low altitude is up to 200 m.
Scattering of fragments of a 500 kg bomb up to 200 meters. Solid - 50-70 m.
The bombing goes at least 100 meters.
And 100 meters is not 30.

[Avior]

Argentines threw bombs from such a low altitude that they did not have time to dream with the fuse
And 30m is up to 200.

[alstr]

In fact, according to all sources, it is written that the reason for the failure of the bombs is their technical condition - it was the Americans who threw off the illiquid assets with rusty fuses.

[Avior]

Actually, this is a widespread propaganda myth, the reason for the failure of bombs in how many serious sources, for example, in Woodward's memoirs, is not a secret to anyone - some of the bombs did not manage to be removed from the fuse due to the low drop height.

[Docx2032]

In 1968, North Korean sailors toughly and confidently stopped the border crossing by the American Pueblo, which is now a tourist attraction in Pyongyang. The Koreans calmly and methodically fired at the bridge and superstructure of the Pueblo with a 57 mm gun, ignoring the political convulsions of the United States. Iran recently detained two American boats with marines in the Persian Gulf. "The US Marines cried when they were captured, but then they calmed down and felt better after seeing that the IRGC fighters were treating them with kindness."

All that pink snot about a hypothetical US response to a blow to the jaw is nothing more than journalism.

[Baloo]

The only condition under which the Black Sea Fleet will not destroy the American is, do not poke your nose to the Crimea, Crimea is ours.

[Lynx2000]

It can be argued that they provoke us to strike first. We are not going to do this first without provocation, but at the same time I am not going to require my commanders to take the first blow to the jaw.

As my older brother used to say:
Who is arrogant - he will run into!
Who wants - he will achieve
Who seeks will always find!

Folk wisdom: whoever is looking for a fight gets a kick.

[tralflot1832]

Who served in the Soviet or Russian Navy? What does the Navy charter say, what actions should the ship commander take in case of an enemy attack on him?

[dzvero]

In my opinion, this question will be best answered by the ship commanders.
And so, the PMSM first needs to decide what is an attack - artillery fire, launching a rocket or launching a torpedo at a ship. Escaping the blow is an imperative. Return fire to defeat the carrier - depending on the instructions and orders received.

[Vladimir Mitin_2]

You do not compare the USSR Fleet with the Russian Navy

[tralflot1832]

Does the Russian Navy have guns, anti-ship missiles and air defense systems?

[Waterways 672]

Served on the destroyer pr. 56, bch-2, late 70s. We went to the Combat Service from Liepaja to Africa, constantly accompanied the NATO ships, changing as they passed their area of ​​responsibility. Everything is decorous and noble, the distance is 3-4 cables, no excesses. Sometimes their planes appeared above us, a combat alert was announced on the ship, everyone scattered to their combat posts, and the anti-aircraft gunners in the sea are constantly at a combat post, they have such a watch. Airplanes began to appear more often, tired of running, combat alarms were canceled. They went about their business, and the planes were photographed, who had cameras. The aggressiveness of the aircraft's attack depended on the pilot. I remember one of their all-weather aircraft, it was already far in the Atlantic - no weather, rain, storms. And then this handsome man, above the very masts, comes from the stern, below under the belly, although the speed is frantic, you can see a flashing red light - a simulator of fire. In literally seconds, it disappears over the horizon, turns around and enters the ship again, now from the bow, and so on several times. You understand that a potential enemy is sitting in the cockpit, but one cannot but admire the skill of this pilot, you must see it, you cannot describe it in words.

[Boris Ivanov]

recalled an anecdote about the American aircraft carrier commander)
Many of you have probably read the story of an American aircraft carrier, which unknowingly tried to intimidate the "captain" of the lighthouse to get out of its way.

[Avior]

... Many of you have probably read the story about the American aircraft carrier ...

And some, it seems, even took them for real events: ((

[dzvero]

The joke is really bearded (almost a hundred years at lunchtime), but for some reason it stuck to the American fleet long before Zadornov ...

[APASUS]

Do admirals who are smoky play there all the time? Russia brazenly pushes its borders into NATO destroyers

[Doccor18]

However, in order to open fire, the ship commanders ...

There must be an order.
And those who will give this order should not have brains ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Doccor18

And those who will give this order should not have brains ...

It is cleverly thought, "we do not give you an order, but you can." And if something happens, then only the switchman is to blame - he is the ship's commander.

[Doccor18]

Quote: tihonmarine

only the switchman is to blame - he is the commander of the ship.

And when was it different?
It will burn out - we will reward, it will not burn out - we will make it the main culprit ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Doccor18

And those who will give this order should not have brains ...

Those who give orders have brains, but those who follow orders do not always.

[riwas]

Our plane, displacing the American ship, poured some of the fuel onto it - it worked. But it's expensive. We have airplanes to extinguish fires with water.

[Ross xnumx]

... stated Burke, adding that in most cases the actions of Russian aviation and ships are professional.

And how soon they can acquaint the American military, "hell knows what they lost at the borders of the Russian Federation", with the performance characteristics of hypersonic weapons, air defense systems and coastal complexes - only HIM knows this ...

[Wolf]

Eats one good joke:
The senior officer yells at the junior and says: What are you looking at me in the head there is nothing, look at the ramen there is rank.
So this admiral, no need to look the ego in the head, there is nothing here.

[razved]

It seems to be an active military man, an entire admiral ... Does he himself understand what he is saying, or is he only able to grind with his tongue?

[askort154]

... According to the admiral, Russian ships and aircraft in the Black Sea are constantly provoking NATO ships, as well as their allies and partners.

The foundation of US foreign policy is a lie. Already the military stood up to him. Previously, the military held back the hawkish politicians, now they themselves began to blow their tune.
Poorly to answer that the American destroyer forgot in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk? English off the coast of Crimea?
Where is the data that Russian ships staged provocations off the coast of the United States and its allies. Admiral - blah, blah. blah!

[BIABIA]

Quote: Umalta

Well, you really, strain your head, because it can swell, you look and break the cap

In one village, at 5 in the morning, every day, my grandfather went out into the street, put on his unchanging cap, and began to beat with a hammer on various pieces of iron. Crafts something. The inhabitants tried to explain to him this way and that, that it was a hunt for sleep, stop it. Not in any! Then they went for a trick, conspired, stole his cap and left him. Morning comes, grandfather, as usual, puts on a cap, oops, small! I don’t understand, grandfather, the kepar is looking at it. People walk by and ask what happened? Grandfather says the cap has become small. Well, he took turns the whole village, who passed by and said, they say, from getting up early and the constant roar, his head swells, look, like, Potapych, it could explode!
The grandfather has tied up with this business. The village sleeps peacefully

[tihonmarine]

The admiral noted that Russian ships almost all the time accompany NATO ships that entered the Black Sea.

The presence of American ships in the Black Sea is already a provocation, and Russia is only protecting its borders. If in the area of ​​the Nantucket and Norfolk lighthouses, the ships of Russia and China appeared, as the minke whales would screech.

[buralok56]

Try it, Admiral, while a kick in the ass.

[rotmistr60]

at the same time, I am not going to demand from my commanders to take the first blow to the jaw

Or maybe you shouldn't substitute your jaw especially in the sea geographically far from the United States.

Russian ships and aircraft in the Black Sea constantly provoke NATO ships

But from a sore head to a healthy one should not be shifted. So far, NATO ships are making provocations right up to entering the territorial waters of Russia, and US strategic bombers are scurrying around our borders, not to mention the reconnaissance planes.

[Andrey Chizhevsky]

The words of this admiral are just empty "persecution" - about what for internal listeners. The Yankees (and the Anglo-Saxons) will not fight. But provoking a conflict with someone else's hands (the same Ukroshumeria) is quite. But at the same time, they understand that such a conflict will enable the Russian Federation to take control of everything that is now mistakenly called the state of Ukraine.

[Shaman]

A blow to the jaw? This admiral missed quite a few blows to the head, judging by his words.

[Ros 56]

As always, the striped one is lying and does not even bounce.

[Romv]

He only forgot to add that the order to open fire should be given to the captain after putting on the diaper, so as not to disgrace the title of captain of the ship.

[Murmur 55]

It seems to me alone that the "hegemon" has recently fussed and hysterical where he used to be calm and not outraged ???

[Max PV]

The admiral is clearly not in the subject. The only aviation maneuver that can really mean a threat to NATO surface ships is a descent below the radio horizon at a distance of 80-200 km.

[Antokha]

the commanders themselves assess the danger of a particular maneuver of a Russian ship or aircraft and make their own decisions.

This is what you need. Another question is, what will their commanders do if our ship enters their territorial waters, for example, in Hawaii?
Ours showed what we will do today. Next in line are the Chinese.

[1536]

Today, August 2, 57 years ago (in 1964), a provocation was organized by the Americans and performed in the Gulf of Tonkin. After that, the Vietnam War began, as a result of which the United States lost more than 50 thousand soldiers and officers, the army was demoralized, and an unprecedented anti-war movement began in the States itself, which almost shook the foundations of the state. And only the subsequent lies of the American media and the slander of those in power in this country allowed the Americans, decades later, to forget about this tragedy. How everything was organized then is probably not worth describing, because hundreds of articles and books have been written about this. But, unfortunately, not only America has forgotten what the Americans can lead to by their own provocations. In Russia, behind the constant speeches of experts about the so-called Cuban Missile Crisis and the "Powell test tube", they have also completely forgotten about that long-standing crime, committed, by the way, by the hands of the regime-controlled South Vietnam. Does this history lesson remind those who call today not to notice the insolent words of American generals and admirals about the Russian army and navy? Moreover, since then the US puppet theater has expanded with new characters and is now touring in the immediate vicinity of the borders of Russia.

[Falcon iba]

Therefore, NATO does not intend to be the first to "make the first strike."

We have already seen from the example of Georgia how the one who delivered this first blow is determined. They themselves are attacking and at the same time in all the media shouting "we were attacked !!!". The tactics have already been worked out more than once.

[xomaNN]

If the Yankee captain is sober on the bridge, then the order to open fire on the Russian Air Force planes in the Black Sea will not dare. Guesses that he will be "exchanged" by the anti-ship missiles from the coast or the Black Sea Fleet.

[AC130 Gunship]

So far, not a single country (with the exception of some Venezuela there) has recognized Crimea as Russian. Look at Google Maps for example (almost half of the planet uses this map). The names of the cities in Crimea are indicated there in Ukrainian and in English. In the next 50 years, I do not think that something will change in the Black Sea. Then I don’t know. NATO will ask Ukraine for permission to pass, and Ukraine will issue it to them. Something like this. Cons - pros. Who cares? The fact remains