US Congress rejects Blue Origin and Dynetics' protest over lunar module contract

Ilona Mask SpaсeX company will continue to create a lunar module for NASA's lunar program, the protest of Blue Origin and Dynetics was rejected. This was reported on the website of the Accounts Chamber of the US Congress.

On July 30, 2021, the Accounts Chamber ruled to reject the protests of Blue Origin and Dynetics, which also claimed a contract with NASA to create a lunar lander, but lost to SpaceX. The General Administration of the United States Commission, which is a body of Congress, concluded that NASA did not violate US laws or procurement orders in its contract with SpaceX. In addition, the companies were unable to prove the bias of NASA's attitude towards the SpaceX project.

Recall that in April this year, NASA announced the conclusion of a contract with Elon Musk's company for the development of a lunar module under the Artemis program in the amount of $ 2,9 billion. In the competition, SpaсeX was ahead of Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin and Dynetics. According to the contract, SpaсeX was to develop a lander for landing on the surface of the Earth satellite as part of the Artemis program.

However, in early May, the contract was suspended, as the losers in the competition, Blue Origin and Dynetics protested the agreement between NASA and SpaсeX, filing a corresponding complaint. NASA could not disburse funds to Musk's company until the General Audit Office, which is part of the Audit Office, decides on the protest.

The lunar exploration program, called "Artemis" in the United States, should be implemented in three stages: at the first stage, the Orion spacecraft will make an unmanned flight around the Moon and return to Earth, at the second stage, a manned flyby of the Earth satellite, and there, before the astronauts are launched to the Moon, not far away. ...

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[tralflot1832]

The advertising photo, the very lunar module Mask, resembles the projectiles of the 50s. Gigantism, is there such rocket technology? Such a weight to the moon to carry.

[knn54]

Expected in terms of the so-called COMPREHENSIVE approach.
Suppose one of Musk's competitors won the tender and created a lunar module.
AND THE CARRIER - Falcon Elon Musk, who wants
earn a lot from the lunar project:
“Share or I won't let you go.” And he will be right.

[military_cat]

Everything is simpler - Bezos asked for more money for a smaller module, and at the same time he did not take out even a gram of load into orbit. And he himself offered to launch on Falcon Heavy, but his offer was still turned down as a losing one.

[Blackmokona]

Yes, it is being built and tested in metal right now. A lot of people are watching all the work live.

[slipped]

Well, while China has welded the bottom of the tank of its new super-heavy carrier "Great Campaign-9"

Diameter is written on the poster.

[tralflot1832]

Wow, 4 tons launch weight, my first steamer weighed less. 100 tons for low orbit and 150 tons for geostationary, impressive.

[slipped]

Quote: tralflot1832

impressive.

I constantly have the idea that American engineers, when designing their pepelats, are not revising Star Wars or even Kubrick's Odyssey, but old Soviet science fiction films. Specifically, this reminded me:

[tralflot1832]

Me too, like they bought a Mosfilm film library in 90, not only Soyuzmultfilm.

[slipped]

Quote: tralflot1832

Me too, like they bought a Mosfilm film library in 90, not only Soyuzmultfilm.

Well this is from Axiom

very much like this one from the same movie

[voyaka uh]

Dreamers!
What cartoon was released:

Seen enough Soviet children's fiction

[slipped]

Quote: voyaka uh

Seen enough Soviet children's fiction

Well, not only for the nursery, here, for example, is the answer to your photo from the Soviet film

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: slipped

I constantly have a thought

So Musk speaks directly about it. Inspired by the fiction of the early to mid-20th century.

And Musk is pure African American, so he can))

[Blackbeard]

and ours, it seems, changed their minds about smoking superfluids and are tuned in to a nuclear tug that will deliver ships to the orbits of neighboring planets. And I think this is correct, this is something new. And superheavy has already done in due time and what came of it? Well, we flew once, well, two ... very expensive pleasure

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

Oh, these people. And the exploration of the Moon would be much faster and easier if we decided to do everything together.

[Vadim237]

We are waiting for the Starship SN20 and Superhavey BN4 flight at the end of August - let's see how it all takes off, goes into orbit and comes back.

[Gunther]

Quote: Vadim237

We are waiting for the Starship SN20 and Superhavey BN4 flight at the end of August - let's see how it all takes off, goes into orbit and comes back.

wait, the animators are already working to meet the expectations of the people.)))

[Vadim237]

Go ahead and read your Mukhin.

[Gunther]

Quote: Vadim237

Go ahead and read your Mukhin.

if I were not so polite, then I would say that I can do without snotty advisers, and I will say so - your opinion is very important to me))))

[Coconut]

The Americans have nothing to feed the beggars ... where they can ... fly ..

[AVA77]

Let them sue for me They are fighting not for space exploration, but for bakki.
As William used to say our Shakespeare. A plague on both your houses.

[ammunition]

And yet there is some summing up ..that 52 years ago, the Americans landed on the moon from the very first time. Without any experience. And without a hitch. And so six times. -))

[ccsr]

Quote: ammunition

that 52 years ago, the Americans landed on the moon from the very first time. Without any experience. And without a hitch. And so six times. -))

Something went wrong, and the Americans suddenly remembered that it was necessary to carry out the entire cycle of complex tests, including a launch without crews.
This fact in itself refutes the nasarogs in their desire to prove to everyone that the lunar landing took place 52 years ago and the whole world saw their performance. It turns out that the "experience" accumulated earlier does not work at the present time - so we have arrived ...

[Klingon]

That is, in your opinion, the Japanese lunar orbiter has photographed the traces of aliens on the moon? But what about the laser reflectors that the astronauts left there, they really work
Listen, do you really think that the earth is round or is it computer animation?

[alch3mist]

But what about the laser reflectors that the astronauts left there, they really work

We have a couple of "Lunokhod" left on the surface. According to this logic, we also visited the moon. Drones couldn't do this.

[ccsr]

Quote: Klingon

But what about the laser reflectors that the astronauts left there, they really work

Our reflectors work there in the same way - which means we landed on the moon.

Quote: Klingon

That is, in your opinion, the Japanese lunar orbiter has photographed the traces of aliens on the moon?

Have you seen these pictures yourself and know their resolution? By the way, they could shoot our Lunokhod there too - they also stand in the places where they stopped working.

Quote: Klingon

Listen, do you really think that the earth is round or is it computer animation?

Do you really think that after 50 years the Americans have become so dull that they cannot easily repeat what they did 6 times then? Just wondering, who are you by education and where did you get it?

[Vadim237]

In fact, before that, there were launches of docking rockets in orbit, flying around the moon and only then landing on the moon - everything about everything took 8 years and hundreds of billions of dollars.

[ammunition]

Quote: Vadim237

it took 8 years and hundreds of billions of dollars.

$ 25,4 billion for the entire Apollo program. This is the official budget for the program. There was no left-wing infusion into the program. .. And only 8 years since full zero.

[Blackmokona]

Those billions of dollars, you first translate them into modern ones
And not from scratch, look in what year they began to develop the engine for Saturn-5, and when the program was announced

[ammunition]

Quote: BlackMokona

you first translate them into modern ones

So they were translated without me-)) -
https://www.forbes.ru/biznes/380445-kosmicheskie-dengi-skolko-stoil-polet-ssha-na-lunu-i-kto-na-nem-zarabotal
"..approximately $ 152 billion in today's prices ...". This is for the whole program. from 1960 to 1973

[Blackmokona]

Now 152 billion sounds completely different

[K150]

Quote: BlackMokona

Now 152 billion sounds completely different

Especially against the background of 700 lards of the army's annual budget and about 500 lards for the development of f35.

[Blackmokona]

An order of magnitude less for development.
Journalists constantly confuse numbers from different parts of the contract

[rocket757]

US Congress rejects Blue Origin and Dynetics' protest over lunar module contract

... So that's THEIR WORK.
They have markets or ... Congress will decide everything.

[tralflot1832]

Maybe for a start, to plant such a barn on the moon, you need to concrete a site for planting?

[Vadim237]

This Lunar Starship will work several dozen times on Earth later in unmanned mode on the Moon and only then people will fly on it, but this is more likely to happen no earlier than 2026 -2027, and geodetic modules can be sent to identify voids in selected areas for landing - one will receive data and the second will be blown up on the surface to determine with the help of shock waves whether there are voids under the selected surface or not.

[sabakina]

Quote: Vadim237

and the second will be blown up on the surface in order to determine with the help of shock waves whether there are voids under the selected surface or not.

And the aliens will sit on the fifth point exactly? Out of NI for an hour?

[Vadim237]

Essentially there is something to say without any nonsense.

[Hypatius]

And they cannot make a single normal photo of the Earth. Or live video. Trust the castronauts. The religion of the katsmans.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Hypatius

And they cannot make a single normal photo of the Earth. Or live video. Trust the castronauts. The religion of the katsmans.

What are you doing?

[Hypatius]

This I mean that all Roscosmos are offices for pumping out money. Loud statements, and zero (0) effect for the national economy. I never saw a single photograph of the Earth from the office.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Well, you scared, by God! I already, a sinful thing, thought that you are one of these, God forgive me, flat-earthers.

[Hypatius]

Personally, you can bring at least 1 technology, piece, or anything from "space" for the benefit of Mankind.,?

[Hypatius]

Oh, yes, not the essence of what shape the Earth is. I personally see a stupid waste of money. IMHO. Let them give at least some result.

[Vadim237]

All sorts of materials to help you and all of humanity.

[Hypatius]

Cho wanted to say something?

[Vadim237]

Yes, you still do not know how to read - advice go check your "Cabin" you have big problems with it.

[VTR-295]

GPS, or our Glonass. Starlink Mask is already in beta mode. Enough?

[Barmal]

The General Administration of the United States Commission, which is a body of Congress, concluded that NASA did not violate US laws or procurement orders in its contract with SpaceX. In addition, the companies were unable to prove the bias of NASA's attitude towards the SpaceX project.

it means that the chief executives know something about the real state of affairs with these flights. It may turn out to be a highlikely the same offer as Reagan's Star Wars, emnp, and as astronauts' flights to the Hollywood Moon.

[zwlad]

The main commerce of America won. Everything is expected.

[military_cat]

Bezos, the owner of Blue Origin and owner of Amazon (the main American marketplace), the richest man in the world? No, he lost.

[zwlad]

Not. Bezos is the richest man in the world. And Musk is the chief commerce. Like those who retire unnecessary things at home at a double price to retirees.

[military_cat]

And probably, the commerce, which sniffs out unnecessary things, built not a heavy-class space rocket, but a suborbital attraction to jump just above the Karman line and tumble for 4 minutes in free fall? Because of which NASA even revised the rules for issuing the title of astronaut? No, wait, it was Bezos. And the heavy rocket is Musk.

[zwlad]

I do not diminish Musk's merits as a commercial, but I think that the rocket was not built by him, but by a team of specialists generously funded by the state under the guise of a private project.

[military_cat]

Many people have money from the state and the team (Blue Origin, Northrop, ULA), but for some reason everything is much sadder with missiles.

[Sands Careers General]

Well, what will this huge flying puss be launched on? On chemical engines? Oh well)))

And Russia is already making a nuclear-powered tug.

[zwlad]

Only from the ground will it be pushed out on those very chemical engines.

[slipped]

Quote: Sands Career General

And Russia is already making a nuclear-powered tug.

Don't do it yet. So far, they are just deciding how to do it and working out technologies. They will start doing it in 2024 as the contract will be signed.

[Blackmokona]

No, until they decide and work out the technology.
And the case was at the level of the preliminary project.

A preliminary project is a set of works that are performed before carrying out development work with the aim of a feasibility study of the feasibility of product development and the ways of its creation, production and operation [1], as well as the type of initial technical documentation containing the rationale for product development and its performance, initial requirements and proposals for the development, production and operation of products.

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

No, until they decide and work out the technology. And the case was at the level of the preliminary project.

There are research and development, technologies are being developed. This is what the contracts are for. The contract for the aircraft will be after 2024. The final appearance will be determined in the current FKP.

[Blackmokona]

No, R&D is carried out after the preliminary project.
A preliminary project was concluded only recently.

The state corporation Roscosmos has signed a contract worth 4,2 billion rubles. to develop preliminary project space nuclear tug. This is stated on the website of state purchases.

https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5fd3cdb49a79475abd2c2f3d

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

No, R&D is carried out after the preliminary project.

R&D on nuclear power is carried out in NIIKIET and TRINITY - these are divisions of Rosatom. The contract for the preliminary project was concluded with Arsenal. Is it clear now?

[Blackmokona]

Here, but they do not conduct R&D on the tug, but only the preliminary project on the basis of which they will decide whether R&D will be carried out on it at all

[ultra]

A bunch of patents have been obtained for the tug, and Keldysh and KB Arsenal are using R&D projects.

[nikvic46]

If anything held back flights and landing on the moon before, it was the lunar module itself.

[Blackmokona]

It's all funny that the SpaceX Lunar Module can do all the work of all parts of the system

[Gunther]

Quote: tralflot1832

In the advertising photo, the very lunar module Mask, resembles the projectors of the 50s ...

in the advertising photo, the lohonaut, according to tradition, again messed with shadows)))

[u-345]

Does the Artemis program take into account the rights of minorities and blacks?
No, here we need to slow down the financing and figure it out ...

[Vadim237]

No, they won't fly.

[Walking towards the light]

Why does a lunar spaceship need streamlined shapes, as for a launch from Earth? The optimal shape for an extra-atmospheric spacecraft is a ball. Maximum volume, no need to build spaceships as in pictures from science fiction novels of the 50-60s of the 20th century.

[Engineer Schukin]

Quote: blackbeard

and ours, it seems, changed their minds about smoking superfluids and are tuned in to a nuclear tug that will deliver ships to the orbits of neighboring planets. And I think this is correct, this is something new. And superheavy has already done in due time and what came of it? Well, we flew once, well, two ... very expensive pleasure

Before you talk about the correctness of something, read first with the basics of the topic.
Superheavy and nuclear tug are completely different vehicles, from the word completely.
The nuclear tug does not take off from the ground. In order for it to be in orbit, it must be delivered there on a launch vehicle.

[Walking towards the light]

Or build it at an orbital shipyard and it will not need to have "rocket forms." Moreover, the outer skin is an extra load if there is no radiation when flying outside the Van Allen belts, as our American partners claim