1520. Optimization: harmful or deadly?

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Necessary preface.

This is an appeal to readers who write comments. In the first, setting article of the cycle, I openly said that all the information was provided by the current employees of Russian Railways, who, by the way, were very indignant during their acquaintance with the uncovered aggression and rudeness on the part of some readers. Unfortunately, everything said in my article about 10 years on the "Military Review" on this topic is absolutely true. There is no need to read the article, the main thing is to express your "fairy" and show your alleged awareness.



We (the team of authors) are just happy that some readers worked 40 or 50 years ago on the railway, had relatives who worked there, and so on. This does not give them the right to use the words "delirium" and everything else. I notify in advance that in this regard, I decided to read the comments to my articles again and I will act very harshly with such people. The people who work with me work on the railroad today. With all the consequences, and I personally simply will not allow anyone to offend them.

Please take note and moderate your feelings.

At the same time, we congratulate everyone related to the Day of the Railwayman and with such an expected (finally) indexation of wages! As much as 2,4%!

Now we go to optimization. We discussed optimization with a whole crowd, with someone in person, someone connected using modern means of communication. The result was a three-hour conference, in which an assistant driver, two compilers, a chipboard, an occupational health and safety engineer and a tracker took part. Actually, almost everyone (except for the driver's assistant, but there will be a special conversation about drivers and assistants) optimization has affected very strongly. After translation into simple Russian, the material lost some of its brightness, but there is nothing to be done about it. It was decided to give it in the form of an interview, and even randomly, without specifying who and what said. People who were related to the railroad will understand, of course, and whoever is “not in the subject” will be able to survive such a format.

To begin with: what is optimization? It is, by definition, "the process of maximizing beneficial characteristics, ratios (eg, optimizing manufacturing processes and production), and minimizing costs."

Question: Optimization looks completely different from different angles. For those who are on top, this is, first of all, a decrease in expenses to generate more income, for those who are from below (who are these very expenses) - an increase in work as such. I'm right?

Answer: we will tell you how it all looks from below. This is, first of all, "optimization", that is, the reduction of jobs and the transfer of official duties to the remaining employees. Nothing new if it weren't for the incipient security problems. Real problems.

Up there, these managers, who have never worked on the railway, do not even think about how it will look below. And downstairs it is often simply unrealistic to properly combine your duties and those that have been assigned to you. For many reasons. But you have to work for yourself and for the guy who was fired. And get an increase of as much as 10% for this.

Yes, the savings are not as huge as they might seem. The responsibilities of a person are scattered over two or three. But still, there is something to save.

Q: How does the optimization process take place?

A: This is very remarkable. Usually in the fall, after we take the stream of people wishing to relax in the south to their homes, a commission arrives from Moscow. This commission walks, looks, studies and estimates. And then the head of the station is given an optimization task. That is, how many people this particular station manager should fire. And that's all.

Further, the head of the station must think out this smart plan with his own head, determine who he will dismiss, who will shift the responsibilities of the dismissed and what will happen next. And then it will be very interesting. If some kind of emergency happens due to the fault of those who have been "optimized", then only the head of the station will be to blame in the eyes of Moscow. He failed to organize the work of his subordinates properly and allowed an emergency.

By the way, there are already several cases when in such situations the head of the station became the trainer. And it still got off easy, because usually the lot in such cases is dismissal without the right to reinstatement.

Q: speaking of profits, I understand that the question is a little off to the right, but what about the drop in profits? The rise in ticket prices is only a part, if I understand correctly?

A: Tariffs have increased. And Russian Railways lost a lot of clients. Moreover, in fact, everyone who could carry out transportation by road began to do it. Just look at our postal terminal, where cargo was transshipped from mail and baggage wagons. There, on these tracks, you can now see a museum ... The post office transports its items by trucks.

There were, of course, those who carry grain, cement, coal, timber, liquid cargo. It's more convenient for now. But profits fell, and they fell great. We were often told about this that we were not working well.

That means we need to cut us down. The plankton that does the dirtiest job. Well, no one will cut the same bosses. These are some kind of "bees against honey" will turn out.

Q: it turns out that an increase in labor productivity due to the fact that instead of four people will work three?

A: Well, yes. By the way, we don't have much choice. There, in the first article, one “smart guy” said that people “do not rush to the exit” from the “piece of iron”. That's right, they don't break, especially where there is no alternative. In small towns, where the station is our everything. And in large, young people, while there is a chance to learn and change jobs, knocks down so that only heels fly off! A year or two of our reality - and there is no man. Gone.

If we talk about the most recent example, here we have one job cut. Workplace, not human. In humans, it is five. The responsibilities were split into the remaining four. Almost completely transferred to one place and scattered 10-12 percent in three. And they added 10% to everyone. 2-3 thousand, if so, specifically. And for such a penny, someone received a double load.

And the savings in money per month from a reduced place - 50 thousand, no more.

And when people start to really sew up, not having time to be in two (or even three) places at the same time, then they begin to attract helpers from the outside. Compilers, for example, begin to put shoes on, it is worse when they begin to take them off, the shoes then leave for other stations ...

Q: We will talk about shoes and documents next time, the topic is no less interesting and, as it turned out, an emergency happens no less there. I would ask about safety a couple of words to say how she got hit.

A: It's interesting here. And in order to understand how sad everything is, you need to know how, in general, employment is carried out at Russian Railways. In general, it is long and tedious. Training, internship, exams (which you can easily fail to pass), approval through Moscow. It can drag on from two to three months, depending on the position and how much it "burns" there.

And in our case, optimization, it turns out that no one will send people anywhere to study. They are already working at their workplaces. And moreover, in your words, one has already been snapped out of a clip of five rounds. And no one will remove the second one for a couple of months. It is expensive, and by whom?

Q: What should you do then?

A: And like this: a person himself is obliged to study the responsibilities imposed on him by the second floor in his free time. And here our management settled down luxuriously: there is no need to pay for tuition, exams are also not required, beauty. There is no need to ask a question about responsibility. And so everything is clear and understandable.

With responsibility this way: as long as "everything is going according to plan", it will be quiet and calm, almost like in a morgue. Should anything happen, for example, the train will be late, there will be some work with the train (uncoupling-coupling, for example), there will be problems with the carriages ... Everything is computerized in our country, so there are cars in nature, but not in the computer. So what?

And in this case, the ITC is connected. An information and computing center, whose employees are trying to help solve all the problems. And they do it sometimes, despite the fact that the ITC is also castrated by optimization.

And it turns out to be a very interesting situation. If you are a park attendant, you must be on the phone, be in touch with the ITC, which frantically tries to figure out where and where the cars are, on the other hand, you simply have to be at the other end of the station to secure the cars according to your duties.

Yes, if it is possible to delegate the consolidation to the compiler - uff, a mountain off your shoulders. But the compiler with the locomotive can fly to the completely opposite end of the station according to his tasks.

Q: Who was cut in the first place?

A: It's like watching. They cut everyone down a little. And how long. But in the last wave (and it certainly will not be the last), those who draw up the documentation were removed. What, what are the problems? The man on duty in the park will meet the train, take a full-scale sheet, secure the cars, write out new documents ... What is the problem?

The problem is that we pretend to live in the 21st century. On the one hand, everyone seems to be focused on electronic document management, on the other hand, it is simply necessary to do everything in paper form. As a result, time is simply wasted trying to ensure that the documentation exists in two ways.

And there is no way to get away from the paper version, the driver will not go anywhere without a full-scale sheet, a certificate to the driver and other necessary documents. And he will be right.

Q: And the person who simply provided documents to everyone and everything is now selling cell phones?

О: Well, as an option. In any case, this is a headache for the stationmaster and the executor. And if an emergency occurs, then the National Assembly will have its power to punish those who are ill at home and at their own expense learned new responsibilities.

Q: What if an emergency? And if an emergency with a tragedy, with human casualties?

A: Well, the person will be fired. In the event of a serious emergency, they will first be fired and then imprisoned.

Q: And then what about what we touched on earlier, regarding the opinion of our readers, whose friends, acquaintances, godfathers and so on work on the "piece of iron" and do not seek to escape from there even under such conditions?

A: Suppose, having received payment "for loyalty", many run as soon as possible to get a more or less normal job. And all these stories of the bosses that “crowds of people are standing behind the fence” in fact turn out to be you know what. More precisely, we know. Working for more than a month in three shifts, that is, seven days a week.

Yes, of course, they take subscriptions from us that we just squeal with delight, working seven days a week. And we just burn with the pleasure of working in three shifts. Some - in the truest sense of the word. Not so long ago we had an emergency in Liski, the proceedings are still ongoing. Understand - that means you need to punish someone. And how and where, when the whole station plows in three shifts? About a month.

Q: Perhaps it is worth explaining how it is in general, in three shifts?

Oh yes of course. On Monday I go out in the afternoon. From 8 am to 20 pm. The next day, Tuesday, I go out into the night, from 20 pm Tuesday to 8 am Wednesday. Having changed on Wednesday, it seems like I am resting from the night. And on Thursday I go out again in the day, from 8 to 20. And so on ad infinitum. Who can imagine how you feel after a month and a half - try it.

I'll be honest. The first time I got into this, I screwed up. After about a month of such "joy". Moreover, and not to say that he was just so guilty. It was like this: they sent a train, there was still a trailer for it, I removed the brake shoes (none of my business, but we talked about it) and put them on the platform. Well laid down, fortunately. And then he climbed to connect the entire economy. And I safely forgot about the shoes. Completely.

No, then I remembered, of course. Thank God, I put them really well, and they reached the next station safely. Well, further, thank God, the 21st century, there is no need to transfer the magarychs. I sent money to the room, the shoes were sent back. An object of strict accountability, be it wrong ...

In general, three shifts is something like a penal battalion. And there is nowhere to go, because there are no people. At a time like this, you usually remember these crowds behind the fence.

Q: And no lumen?

A: Generally there is. Specially trained people are working on this, as they say. "Buns" come up with what is, that is. But this does not particularly affect young people, because after looking at the inside of our work, I really want to find a place to apply my forces not with such ... original laws and not so traumatic.

Q: What is originality?

A: We were taught and taught before. Now all this is also extremely optimized. Previously, we took exams on the knowledge of instructions every two years and, at regular intervals, improved our qualifications in dortech schools, moreover, we studied real-life and in person.

Now they have just introduced a bunch of courses that are given remotely and which you must take in your free time from work (Remark from another participant: aha, working in three shifts!). You are required to attend technical classes, planning meetings, work meetings - all during your free time.

During working hours you have to work. Therefore, some of us who are unlucky in terms of participation in planning meetings do not come to work by 7.45, for example, but by 7.15. Because management will be holding the meeting outside of business hours.

Q: but it's kind of logical, you have to have everything non-stop?

A: That's right. Indeed, an employee must be in the workplace, that's right. But why not include this half hour, which, by the way, we kill every shift, in the work schedule?

I continue. All these courses outside of working hours are very beneficial for the employer, it is really a hefty saving of his money and time, when we earn this money for him, which is essentially the same thing. The employer does not pay a single minute of the time that we all study at home.

Not all employees are ready to spend so much of their time for free. That is why they run. HR departments do not have time to select replacements, the stations go into emergency mode (three-shift), which does not contribute to the desire of employees to improve their qualifications. On the contrary, it contributes to the fact that people begin to think that it would be nice to find a quieter job.

Vicious circle? Well yes. No way out.

Q: Distance learning. How effective is it for the people passing through it?

(I myself was driven through one of these safety tests. Without the slightest preparation. Out of 12 questions, I managed to answer 3 correctly)

A: In fact - a complete profanation. All answers are perfectly matched at home through a second window on your computer. No one is watching you. Therefore, all these tests are easy and simple, without bothering yourself at all. Knowledge? But what knowledge, if every house has a roof above the roof?

Doesn't add knowledge. But it takes a certain amount of time. And the plus point benefits those who develop all these test programs. We all understand that it costs money. The programmers are happy, the bosses are happy, they tick the boxes that the employees have learned.

This is the SMBD system, it is as scary in essence as it sounds. And as painful for the head as her BDSM counterpart. Traffic safety management system. The specialists hired for huge sums wrote something in a completely inaccessible language that is impossible not only to understand, it is difficult to remember! Previously, the instructions were written by railroad workers for railroad workers. Today - by managers. And the managerial language is very poorly translated into the railway language.

By the way, about the instructions. These managers brought with them so many American and English terms that the instructions themselves began to sound somehow not in Russian.

Q: With training it is clear. But hasn't anything good been brought in over the years?

A: Well, in general, it would not be better. For example, we created a weather monitoring service. And now everyone is crying from her with burning tears. I don’t know who gets bonuses there, but how do they “monitor” the weather there, but the Hydrometeorological Center is just perfect in comparison with them. This is when the street is completely calm, and you have an order to "wind". This means that you must secure the road and put a bunch of brake shoes on the rails.

Binding is now done by different people at different stations, from signalmen to the station attendant, if the station is small, class 4 or 5.

And the optimization touched very cleverly here. We have stations that have no boss at all. Our Western line, there through the NS station at the same time. Two at once. Example? Kurbatovo and Veduga. Yes, there are 20 kilometers between them, it's kind of a little bit, but ...

At such small stations, the station master generally combines a bunch of positions. And the receiver, and the originator, and everything else. He can even be an assistant driver if it is necessary to drive the locomotive to the haul.

In general, optimization really turns us into a sort of octopus who must do everything and not only quickly, but also efficiently.


This concludes the first part, but we will continue the optimization story in the next part. It's just not realistic to place such a conversation within the framework of one article, it will not be so interesting to read. So - to be continued. It was not entirely rosy, there will be an analysis of accidents and disasters, but the fact is that there is a certain share of the fault of optimization measures there.

And on this we will finish for now, all railway workers once again with their professional holiday, be healthy and let the trains come and go on time.
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  1. +19
    4 August 2021 15: 07
    I suggest optimizing the loop - disable comments. This will exclude discussions on unequal rights.
    1. +8
      4 August 2021 15: 31
      Roman, five years ago, communicated with the former assistant to the People's Deputy of the Verkhovna For the sake of Ukraine.
      I listened to the recording (the person guessed to do it) of the deputy's speech about the optimization of Ukrzaliznytsia.
      And the essence is "simple", as well as the level of the deputy. It is desirable for those who read to sit down.
      He brought fuel and lubricants, washed the tank, and poured, for example, alcohol.
      But the "pearl" brought the crushed stone, washed it, loaded the grain!
      Etc.
      1. kig
        +2
        5 August 2021 04: 25
        Quote: knn54
        here is the "pearl" - brought the crushed stone, washed, loaded the grain!

        And what's so surprising? For example, in the world sea fleet, half of the tonnage is occupied by the so-called bulk carriers - ships for the transport of bulk cargo. Transportation of grain after coal, cement or various ores is common there. And right now, I'll say a generally seditious thing: in the days of the USSR, when grain was imported with might and main, even tankers transported it !! It's all about how thoroughly the hold is cleaned ... well, the cargo area.
    2. +13
      4 August 2021 15: 45
      I suggest optimizing the loop - disable comments. This will exclude discussions on unequal rights.


      What for? Let them fight laughing
      Well, if on business, then if through friends, I suggest Roman to get at least one of the road conference calls and everything will become clear, but I warn you right away, the psyche of an unprepared person may suffer.
      1. +9
        4 August 2021 16: 04
        prim so optimize and keep the "blow" in medicine.


        and schools .....
        and...??? add yourself
        1. AUL
          +3
          5 August 2021 07: 08
          Quote: antivirus
          prim so optimize and keep the "blow" in medicine.

          Yes, in any area of ​​the economy, "optimization" occurs according to this scheme.
          I myself witnessed how entire specialized departments were liquidated at our machine-building enterprise, and their functions were thrown up to other departments (by the way, also fairly "optimized") But, in addition to the General, we had 42 more (FORTY TWO) director!
          1. +1
            5 August 2021 11: 35
            42 is ogogo.
            keeps afloat due to such "diers". without them you will go to the bottom.
            a living plant. became a holding company in the last 20 years?
            1. AUL
              +4
              5 August 2021 15: 00
              Quote: antivirus
              a living plant. became a holding company in the last 20 years?

              I'm not sure if it even exists yet. At the beginning of the 8s, there were attempts at raider seizure. Already the checkpoint was rammed with an APC. But, it seems, they fought back. Then the Generals began to flicker, as in a kaleidoscope. And each sold part of the area. In place of workshops, there are now shops and entertainment centers. When I retired at the age of XNUMX, only a small assembly plant (from Chinese, of course, components) remained on the outskirts of a full-cycle enterprise. And now, come on, and this is no longer there.
      2. +20
        4 August 2021 16: 12
        Oh, this "electronic document management". For example, I recently made a change to my personal account. In addition to filling out a questionnaire and an application on the site, I was required to provide originals and copies of the following documents: 1- passport, 2- SNILS, 3-INN, 4- extract from USRN, 5- document confirming the need to change the paying person, 6-paid last receipt, 7- certificate of residents, 8-passports of all metering devices and their checks, 9-photos of the readings of these metering devices not older than three days. Moreover, attention! Copies of all these documents must be provided in 2 copies! The question is, what is all this for? We have "electronic document management"! am
        1. +1
          5 August 2021 11: 39
          even more stupid - the son went to the army.
          took pieces of paper in the military registration and enlistment office: for garbage - "we will recalculate from the date and for 1 year."
          in gorgaz ("gorgons of the eye"?): "we will recalculate from the date of the call to the date of issue of the certificate - July 22" --- ???. "many different cases" - which ones? - leave and do not notify about the return.
          money to money - for gas ...
          and garbage to garbage - common people are cleaners
          1. +1
            5 August 2021 12: 39
            Quote: antivirus
            in gorgaz ("gorgons of the eye"?): "we will recalculate from the date of the call to the date of issue of the certificate - July 22" --- ???. "many different cases" - which ones? - leave and do not notify about the return.
            money to money - for gas ...

            Don't you have a counter? In vain ...
      3. +2
        4 August 2021 16: 20
        Oh yes))) I've heard about selectors there too)))
      4. 0
        8 August 2021 07: 06
        Oh yes of course. On Monday I go out in the afternoon. From 8 am to 20 pm. The next day, Tuesday, I go out into the night, from 20 pm Tuesday to 8 am Wednesday. Having changed on Wednesday, it seems like I am resting from the night. And on Thursday I go out again in the day, from 8 to 20. And so on ad infinitum. Who can imagine how you feel after a month and a half - try it.

        Skomorokhov apparently does not know that in Russian Railways, they are ready to beat each other's muzzles, so that they can go on the 3rd shift. Exit to the third shift is paid at a double rate, this is about 7 thousand per shift, for the maneuver. For others, not drivers, it depends on the category. But even with the third category, the 3rd shift is in the region of 6 thousand rubles to the salary. And if you go out 6 times a month on the third day, then the salary in the region is 180 rubles.

        The question is to envy or sympathize ???
        1. 0
          11 August 2021 11: 43
          In general, I do not see any problem at all or something terrible in such a schedule. Normal schedule, with enough free time for personal affairs. Personally, I would work quite normally on it and not buzz. I do not know which schedule is normal and normal, but if this is considered an emergency and a nightmare, then I think that a regular schedule is a complete relaxation.
          I work in a construction organization, in fact 6-1 sometimes without days off at all, if you take an average of 7-30 to 19-00. In principle, everyone works like this, during the season no one is surprised by the 6-1 schedule from 7-00 to 21-00.
          Reflections on the account of planning meetings, as much as 30 minutes in duration, and even after hours, generally resemble some kind of kindergarten. Get into any construction organization and you will see planning meetings from 19-00 to 24-00, and on Sunday and in another city, and this is, in principle, normal.
    3. -4
      4 August 2021 16: 21
      And without the hype, there are few comments) Here is situevina
    4. +11
      4 August 2021 17: 14
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I suggest optimizing the loop - disable comments. This will exclude discussions on unequal rights.

      And limit the author's space to five thousand characters.
      Talent should be short.
    5. +26
      4 August 2021 18: 02
      A similar article can now be written about any industry. These articles may differ in detail, but not in essence. For example, cosmanautics, where the launch vehicle, the design of which is licked up and down, suddenly falls due to the fact that the sensor was screwed upside down. Or the power industry, where, with the arrival of managers, they no longer saw the point in replacing worn out equipment before the accident, the mind was not enough to calculate the consequences. Kubanenergo, at one time, saved on Sochi, until the high-voltage pylons fell into ice, leaving the city in winter, in snow, for three weeks without electricity (and therefore, without water, heating, without sewage, etc.). It was very informative for the resort town to cook food on fires, melting snow in pots.
      In general, as long as there are managers in leadership positions, and not professionals with specialized education, this Sabbath will not end.
      1. +7
        5 August 2021 08: 19
        Quote: Bad_gr
        A similar article can now be written about any industry.

        Only in the article to change "Russian Railways" for the marine fleet, fish industry, aviation and so on. Everything will be the same, and no one will understand that the article was about Russian Railways.
      2. +3
        6 August 2021 05: 49
        Quote: Bad_gr
        Or the power industry, where, with the arrival of managers, they no longer saw the point in replacing worn out equipment before the accident, the mind was not enough to calculate the consequences.

        In our glorious town, after the beginning of the era of the necessary managers in Omskelectro, who optimized the enterprise and dispersed the experienced team, the list of cable lines that were out of order and needed to be repaired for a couple of pages began to form, and after all, sometime relatively recently they went almost to zero. Well, yes, but it's true why repair if the understudy cope. It's sarcasm. What will they do when understudies fail? Question.
    6. +2
      5 August 2021 13: 43
      I understand that 99% of those who read my post will be "off topic", but ...

      "In 2016, for the first time in the Russian Railways holding, the corporate quality management system of JSC FPC was certified in accordance with the requirements of GOST R ISO 9001–2015" Quality management systems. Requirements "and a UNIFIED certificate for the MAIN ACTIVITIES was received. confirmed as a result of successfully passed inspection control of KSMK. "

      For the "remaining" 1% and the author, including, I explain ...

      "I continue. All these courses outside of working hours are very beneficial for the employer, this is really a hefty saving of his money and time, when we earn this money for him, which is essentially the same thing. The EMPLOYER DOES NOT PAY for a minute of that time, that we are all homeschooled. "

      The first quote suggests that the situation described in the second quote, in the Russian Railways holding, should be GUARANTEED excluded in principle. A REALLY and CONTINUOUSLY operating Quality Management System within its framework. Strictly speaking, EXACTLY on HER - SYSTEMS AVAILABILITY, the certificate is issued. Including extending to any potential "optimizations" ...

      And if the situation described in the second quote actually "takes place", then this, in the language of the certifying organization, is called a CRITICAL violation ...

      That is, a violation, which indicates that the ISO 9001 - 2015 Certificate, received by the Russian Railways holding, must either be canceled (and this, in principle, a potential loss of the right to work with a "solid" clientele (customers ") and the right to participate in the state order, that is, this is a potential loss of BIG MONEY ...), or "frozen" for up to 3 months During which the Russian Railways holding will present to the certifying organization DOCUMENTAL confirmation of changes related to "optimization" into the current Quality Management System.

      I assure you that any independent (including from the side of the national certification body - representative of the System) "audit" of the ISO 9001 System (including the inspection (supervisory), not to mention the next, with the extension validity of the Certificate for the next three years), even a simple "combination" of positions, WITHOUT PROVIDING THE "part-time" TRAINING ORGANIZATION for his new (additional) functional responsibilities for a new position (profession) will record this as a serious violation.

      Just in case ... RZD, as a transport and logistics structure, is an HIGH RISK OBJECT BY DEFINITION.

      Moreover, the very possibility of REALLY "combining" new positions, WITHOUT DAMAGE (ie the emergence of new, or the growth of existing risks), the administration will have to PROVE SPECIFICALLY to the inspectors (auditors), by analyzing and comparing the accepted and acting in the holding and ITS STRUCTURAL divisions "branches)" processes "for positions" combined "in the course of" optimization "...

      Independent auditors of the ISO System get quite a lot of money for their work. They can sometimes "close their eyes" to non-critical violations or shortcomings. And give time for their "unhurried" elimination ...

      But they will not want to risk their money (or even the very right to the status of a national representative of the Sistema), even for the sake of the easy life of the cracker-managers of the "tough" Russian Railways holding company, they will not want to. No matter how "pompously", "cordially" and "generously" the audit procedures were not heralded by the holding's administration. Indeed, here, in terms of the overly loyal "myopia" of the auditors, it is quite enough BROAD and "rightly directed" OUTLINE. And that's all, to the inspected and the "auditor" kirdyk ...

      And the loss of the status of the national representative of the ISO System is fraught, already for the STATE, approximately the same as the loss of the status of the national representative in WADA by Russia ...

      After all, with it can be "questioned" and issued earlier by the national representative ISO 9001 - 2015 Certificates and organizations of OTHER INDUSTRIES (industry, aviation, services, etc.).

      In this case, I would warmly recommend, first of all, representatives of Russian government structures to pay serious attention to situations of this kind. And to intervene in them ON TIME, without waiting for when, using this kind of "shoals" of clerks - bureaucrats, in their hands, "the banner will be intercepted", all kinds of "well-wishers - denunciators." In order to discredit the Russian national certification body - the representative of the System. And to deprive him of its status, thereby putting the process of obtaining ISO certificates and the certification itself, under the control of foreign "independent" auditors ...
      1. -1
        5 August 2021 22: 34
        I don't know what you smoke ... but exhale)
        I enter 1%) I know not only the principles of 9001)
        1. 0
          6 August 2021 11: 12
          Judging by your comment, your "not only" is highly doubtful ...

          For the principles of ISO (edition, priority, etc.) change, practically, with each new edition. However, ISO 9001 - 2015 focuses on INTEGRATED RISK ASSESSMENT (risk-based thinking), for example. But it's not that. You, personally, interest me from the word "in any way" ...

          In essence, my comment, all the more so - does the article itself have something to say? ..
    7. +1
      6 August 2021 06: 02
      An article about the fact that the author has not yet realized that he has been living in a market economy for 30 years already
      1. -1
        6 August 2021 11: 14
        If you put the term "market" in quotation marks, I would understand not only the author, but also you ...
      2. +1
        6 August 2021 13: 35
        Quote: Clever man
        An article about the fact that the author has not yet realized that he has been living in a market economy for 30 years already

        Why do you think so? The author understands everything, the leaders of Russian Railways do not understand this, who lose profits due to inflation of tariffs, and even expose the system to the danger of "human error". Brother worked on a piece of hardware as an engineer. And he does not hesitate to call my fool a fool . has passed the chief engineer of the hospital. told a lot of interesting things about the quality of personnel of this wonderful organization of Russian Railways.
        1. 0
          6 August 2021 17: 59
          How do you know what they are losing and what the leaders of the Russian Railways think about? Reasoning on the topic "mother-in-law worked at the cosmodrome as a cleaner and told that the launches were not effective"
  2. 0
    4 August 2021 15: 11
    I am reluctant to talk about everything and I am too lazy to write a lot. I'll tell you about the weather service. I do not know how in other regions, but the forecasts from the piece of iron are the most accurate. I know just the darkness of the people who, through their acquaintances, begging for printouts there. Especially now when the crowd is bringing down to rest in Primorye. So...
    1. +8
      4 August 2021 17: 44
      Quote: carstorm 11
      ... I do not know how in other regions, but the forecasts from the piece of iron are the most accurate. I know just the darkness of the people who, through their acquaintances, begging for printouts there. Especially now when the crowd is bringing down to rest in Primorye. So...

      It's not about predictions, it's about people and security ..
      1. -4
        4 August 2021 23: 13
        Just an indicator of the credibility of the information.
  3. +4
    4 August 2021 15: 16
    This is the SMBD system
    For what and by whom it was compiled, it is not clear ... But it sounds! recourse
  4. +16
    4 August 2021 15: 24
    Well, no one will cut the same bosses. These are some kind of "bees against honey" will turn out.
    And when was it that the bosses would be cut? Increased load? One for two, or even three, why not, this is typical of an employer, why pay three salaries to three, when you can pay one of his own salaries, but he is happy to work for the rest, because he was not optimized like those for whom he is working. But such a system is not limited to Russian Railways.
    1. +6
      4 August 2021 17: 24
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Increased load? One for two, or even three, why not,

      I remember there was such a "Shchekino method" and another "For myself and for that guy" (who died in the Second World War). Now these methods have not been used for 30 years, but everything continues to work for three.
  5. +9
    4 August 2021 15: 33
    As I understand it, it is forbidden to comment on the "necessary preface"?
    In this case, I agree with the proposal of the Leader of the Redskins.
  6. +17
    4 August 2021 15: 38
    I notify in advance that in this regard, I decided to read the comments to my articles again and I will act very harshly with such people.
    I hope that the comments to the articles (I apologize for the expression) about aviation will also be read, and finally the wish of the bulk of those commenting on aviation not to write about aviation will be taken into account? !!! Or is it just another self-promotion, like I will read but I do not promise to realize? ..
    1. +5
      4 August 2021 17: 20
      Quote: Fitter65
      And finally, the wish of the bulk of those commenting on aviation not to write will be taken into account? !!!

      I wonder what then and about whom they will write, or just stop writing.
      1. +3
        5 August 2021 00: 42
        Quote: tihonmarine
        I wonder what then and about whom they will write, or just stop writing.

        Yes, it is desirable that they write about what they understand, otherwise, if not an article about aviation from this author, this is another one - an oscillograph arrow.
        1. +3
          5 August 2021 08: 11
          Quote: Fitter65
          Yes, it is desirable that they write about what they understand, otherwise, if not an article about aviation from this author, this is another one - an oscillograph arrow.

          People should write not "according to the neighbors," but about what they know well, if you know aviation, then write about it, I know the fleet and write about it too. But when they write from the words "neighbor", we get the average temperature of patients in the ward.
          1. +2
            5 August 2021 10: 11
            Quote: tihonmarine
            People should write not "according to the neighbors," but about what they know well, if you know aviation, then write about it, I know the fleet and write about it too. But when they write from the words "neighbor", we get the average temperature of patients in the ward.
            Gold words! Gold !!! Yes, I know a little about aviation, but take and reprint from one resource, here on VO, and with my own nursery comments that even the "oscillograph arrow" looks professional against this background, I do not have enough impudence. The "author" was asked not to write about aviation, but apparently he does not read the comments. By the way, he threatened to punish everyone who comments incorrectly, but while silence can we frolic? laughing Let's remember pearls
            The cannon could work quite successfully both on enemy aircraft in the bow sector, and on lightly armored ships or submarines.
            Ernst Heinkel Flugzeugwerke GmbH, headquartered in Warnemünde, was by that time one of the most dynamically developing German design and manufacturing firms. Ernst Heinkel founded it after the Second World War, and after 1933 the company went just fine.
            mileage increased to 2 kilometers during takeoff
            And this is one of my favorites-
            empty aircraft: 8
            - normal takeoff: 8 450
            Although any article about aviation from Roma is a "masterpiece". You can't read about Do17 without tears. But this masterpiece article Combat aircraft. He flies, what more do you want? there are just some emotions ... good good drinks drinks
            1. +2
              5 August 2021 10: 30
              Quote: Fitter65
              but to take and reprint from one resource, here on VO, and with my own nursery comments that even the "oscillograph arrow" against this background looks professional, I do not have the audacity.

              I am the same, I cannot write, although I once tried to write in my specialty, but I was strongly besieged. Others write without a twinge of conscience, although they do not distinguish "Crimea from the eye".
  7. +19
    4 August 2021 15: 49
    Normally such an introduction, they say, do not like the comment, beware, wow !!! And nothing that we have a huge piece of iron and not everywhere as the author of the article writes and is told to him? But what about freedom of speech and expression?
    1. +6
      4 August 2021 16: 18
      You are more careful))) They said, they will punish)))
      1. +8
        4 August 2021 17: 13
        Quote: carstorm 11
        You are more careful))) They said, they will punish)))

        In order to avoid trouble, it is better not to read, and to remain silent.
      2. +1
        4 August 2021 22: 47
        I notify in advance that in this regard, I decided to read the comments to my articles again and I will act very harshly with such people.

        And then what? Will threats go to "PM" or to e-mail? ... belay
      3. +2
        5 August 2021 00: 43
        Quote: carstorm 11
        You are more careful))) They said, they will punish)))

        And how will they be punished, will they stop writing gilimat? laughing good
        1. 0
          5 August 2021 04: 50
          Is this a rhetorical question?)))
    2. 0
      4 August 2021 16: 26
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      we have a huge piece of iron and it is not so everywhere
      Even sleepers - where reinforced concrete, and where wooden
      1. +9
        4 August 2021 16: 32
        Well, yes, somewhere electrified, and somewhere not .. In general, shh .. And then suddenly banned
        1. +1
          5 August 2021 10: 14
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          Well, yes, somewhere electrified, and somewhere not .. In general, shh .. And then suddenly banned

          I don't even know how to say, from Sovgavan to Volochaevka only on diesel locomotives ...
    3. +2
      4 August 2021 17: 16
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      But what about freedom of speech and expression?

      Do not forget to share with the people what they got and how much.
    4. +4
      4 August 2021 17: 16
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      But what about freedom of speech and expression?

      What is it, let each one write what comes into his head?
      No, if you please adhere to the general line.
      1. +2
        4 August 2021 17: 20
        And in the same Yeisk
        Freedom of speech is almost European,
        If this is checkmate
    5. +6
      4 August 2021 17: 47
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      And nothing that we have a huge piece of iron and not everywhere as the author of the article writes and is told to him? But what about freedom of speech and expression?

      Have you read the article at least? A similar situation is everywhere .. People are laid off, and those who stayed to work, work for three .. and he also has responsibility for three.
      1. +9
        4 August 2021 17: 52
        I read the article carefully, and I myself am an opponent of all these optimizations, here one more factor must be taken into account, many stations are very small settlements, where there is not much work, so people and hold on, I'm sure they perfectly understand at the top, they say, where are they get off the submarine and press, absolute disgusting and disgusting.
      2. +3
        4 August 2021 19: 11
        "A similar situation is everywhere."

        Quite right. Everything that is described in the article happens almost everywhere. And optimization, which boils down to a banal reduction, and frantic instruction, and training in your free time, and an increase in salaries by 1-2 percent, and so on.
    6. +3
      4 August 2021 18: 43
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      But what about freedom of speech and expression?

      Very funny joke. laughing Has anyone been imprisoned for a repost for a long time?
    7. +3
      5 August 2021 08: 12
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      Normally such an introduction, they say, do not like the comment, beware, uh !!!

      Uh, I got three comments off in one day, uh.
  8. +35
    4 August 2021 15: 52
    Actually - everything happens because the accountants ruling the country have reduced numerous indicators of the country's vital activity to one thing - loot. And only that, profit at any cost. On a national scale, no one thinks. And yet Joseph Vissarionovich wrote that it is fundamentally wrong to assess the profitability of individual enterprises. For the task of Russian Railways is to transport goods quickly, cheaply and reliably. And if, while meeting these requirements, it goes into the minus - it's okay. Imagine the impetus for the country with cheap transportation! It will pay off a hundredfold. But no, every Putin neo-feudal sits in his own feud, and he only cares about the profit from it. The rest - yes, don't give a fuck ..

    Medicine should treat people, Russian Railways and Aeroflot should carry them and cargo, teachers should teach the younger generation, and so on and so on .. Instead of all this, they are all forced to engage exclusively in collecting money for their owners. As much as possible. For their greed - there is no limit. Hence the sad results ...
    1. +9
      4 August 2021 15: 59
      Not only Aeroflot has to move people, they have settled down so smartly, consider monopolies, as in Soviet times, only now, unlike then, many cannot afford tickets, and calling their Victory a low-cost airline is just a mockery
    2. +15
      4 August 2021 16: 24
      Quote: paul3390
      The accountants ruling the country have reduced numerous indicators of the country's vital activity to one thing - loot.

      What loot? They cannot even do this, they are not able to earn much ... They can erase, but they do not significantly increase the economic efficiency of the company.
      And with regard to the railway - it's just some kind of madness ...
      The railway is a strategic infrastructure object in Russia. And it cannot be unprofitable or profitable, private or superfluous, just as it cannot be like this: an ICBM, a tank or a VKS fighter ...
    3. +9
      4 August 2021 16: 29
      Quote: paul3390
      For the task of Russian Railways is to transport goods quickly, cheaply and reliably. And if it goes into the minus while meeting these requirements, it's okay.

      moreover, it is natural.
      because it is a strategically important industry.
      but the market has other tasks.
      little in line with national interests.
      and efficiency market managers understand as they have been taught this for over 30 years in Western economics.
    4. +11
      4 August 2021 16: 32
      And if it goes into the minus while meeting these requirements, it's okay. Imagine what an impetus to the country will be given by cheap transportation! It will pay off a hundredfold. "

      Do you even know that Stalin died? Russian Railways today is a separate state company. Who will cover her losses? The state budget? It is possible to reduce tariffs for the transportation of military goods, but why should Russian Railways incur losses for the sake of private companies? Do you think they will lower prices? I met a farmer from the Kuban. Brought potatoes to Donetsk. He specially drove three trucks to sell them cheaper - "you have a war." He was not allowed to enter the covered market - the Azerbaijanis are the owners there. We bought everything in bulk for 18 rubles, unloaded it for free. The farmer is glad to have stayed in Donetsk - interesting. I came to the market, and there were potatoes for 90 (!!!) rubles! It was early spring potatoes, but count the margin. No, the private trader will not reduce the price if the transportation becomes cheaper. Yes, he is simply banged for dumping - in the market prices are controlled by the mafia.
      1. +12
        4 August 2021 16: 41
        Russian Railways today is a separate state company.

        That's the problem. All strategically important industries were shoved into bottomless pockets like highly efficient owners and managers .. And now they are crying - why is all this so expensive? What - could there have been some other result ??

        And what about Comrade Stalin - well, let's say Newton also died a long time ago, does that prevent you from using his laws?
        1. +4
          4 August 2021 17: 01
          You're interesting person! Is it so difficult to understand that "Comrade Stalin" meant the entire state model, the economic system? Do you remember self-financing? Russian Railways will not be profitable, which means that directors will change so often that candidates for the position should not leave the reception. And a new broom is not always good. Reforms and optimizations will become eternal until they completely ruin Russian Railways. In general, the main brake on the economy is not Russian Railways, but tariffs for fuel and electricity. It is necessary to build hydroelectric power plants and nuclear power plants of a new type - the first is already being built.
          1. +10
            4 August 2021 17: 51
            Quote: URAL72
            In general, the main brake on the economy is not Russian Railways, but tariffs for fuel and electricity. It is necessary to build hydroelectric power plants and nuclear power plants of a new type - the first is already being built.

            It is necessary to send managers over the hill .. to the kids .. and in their place put statesmen, the interests of the country are more important than selfish interests. And then there will be order .. A country where there is gas, oil, nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power plants .. in general, it is completely energy independent, while it cannot regulate tariffs .. and why? Because they want to count money in dollars ..
      2. +3
        4 August 2021 17: 03
        there are potatoes for 90 (!!!) rubles!
        In England, this is 2.5 kilograms of potatoes.
        1. +3
          4 August 2021 17: 21
          This is early, now it is much cheaper, and its own went
    5. +2
      4 August 2021 17: 00
      Quote: paul3390
      And only that, profit at any cost.

      Everything according to Karl Marx and F. Engels, the laws of capitalism are bestial.
    6. +1
      4 August 2021 17: 17
      In fact, the problem of optimization and abnormal distribution of responsibilities is not only our problem. In the West, this problem also exists.

      This stems from a misunderstanding of the scope of work on the ground by the managers in the office (figuratively, that is, those who do not work on the ground).
      Only in the West is there a practice of periodic checks of all chains of the structure.
      About a year ago I watched (like on Discovery) the reality show "Undercover Chief.

      The bottom line is that big bosses of the level of the head of the continental division of a large automobile concern work (actually work) in a number of lower positions for a week or several days at each workplace.
      And according to the results, appropriate conclusions and consequences (pleasant and not very pleasant) are drawn.

      From this series there was an example just on the topic of physical capabilities.
      The point is that at the service station during maintenance, a set of services for cleaning / tidying up a car was offered free of charge. There are about a dozen items in total. According to office workers, 15 minutes were allotted for this.
      So the Leader was able to complete these points in only 30 minutes, and his mentor fit into 15 minutes, but with great difficulty. And with a large flow of cars, it is not realistic to keep within.

      The result was a doubling of the time standards.

      I think that as long as those leaders who "optimize" their work do not work on the ground (that is, do not feel how it really is), then there will be no sense.

      And by the way, this "optimization" took place in the same medicine. As a result, the district doctor has 6 minutes for each visitor. And this is for inspection, questioning and documentation. And it's good if there is a nurse. And if not ...
      At the same time, they require knowledge from the district police officer in almost all specialties. And the direction can be obtained only through the district police officer.
      Those. They also loaded the district police officer with all sorts of different things, and then they wonder why there are queues at the clinics.
      So the railway is not alone in "optimization".

      PS For relaxation, a small old anecdote-parable.
      In one large Western office, an audit of activities is being carried out (not to be confused with our audit. There the auditor gives recommendations on how to optimize activities, i.e. an optimizer)
      At a meeting with the manager, the auditor speaks. Everything is fine with you, but I would cut one person. He sits and does nothing. Only spits at the ceiling.
      The leader specifies this.
      The auditor - yes he is.
      The manager - the last time he did this, it brought the company a couple of million.
      1. +5
        4 August 2021 17: 23
        This stems from a lack of understanding of the scope of work in the field by managers in the office.

        In the Soviet Union, a leader in the overwhelming majority of cases was required to have a specialized education. And even better - if you have risen in the enterprise from the bottom. Therefore, people knew the topic through their own hump, clearly understanding what was happening in the lower structures.

        But the same managers and owners - heavier than their own intimate device in their hands in life did not hold anything. But - they take the audacity to steer the most complex industries and enterprises. Although they don't fucking understand what they rule. Ugh..


        For example, our Chrysostom Chernomyrdin: Not very indicative, a lot on the party line, but he knew what a wrench is in shit ..


        After graduating from Orsk Technical School No. 1957 in 1, he began his career at the Orsk Oil Refinery named after V. P. Chkalov as a locksmith, compressor and pump driver. After serving military service as an airfield technician of the Air Force in 1957-1960 in the city of Spassk-Dalny, Primorsky Territory, he returned to the same plant, where he worked as a machinist and operator, and then as the head of a technological unit.
        VS Chernomyrdin (left) and AN Kosygin (center) at the Orenburg Gas Plant (1975) [9].

        In 1962 he entered the Kuibyshev Polytechnic Institute [10], from which he graduated in 1966 with a diploma of a process engineer. From 1967 to 1973 he worked in the Orsk city committee of the CPSU as an instructor, deputy head, head of a department.

        In 1968-1972 he studied at the All-Union Correspondence Polytechnic Institute, after which he received a diploma of an engineer-economist.

        In 1973-1978 he headed the Orenburg gas processing plant, then worked in Moscow as an instructor in the heavy industry department of the Central Committee of the CPSU. In 1981 he defended his thesis for the degree of candidate of technical sciences on the topic "Research and development of technology for the process of natural gas purification from organic sulfur compounds."

        Since 1982 - Deputy Minister of the USSR Gas Industry. In 1983 he was appointed Deputy Minister - Head of the All-Union Industrial Association Tyumengazprom. 1985-1989 - Minister of the USSR Gas Industry.
        1. +2
          4 August 2021 17: 53
          The current managers have probably seen a wrench only in the picture ...
      2. +4
        4 August 2021 22: 53
        Quote: alstr
        PS For relaxation, a small old anecdote-parable.

        it's not even a joke.
        Geniuses are worth millions. Reducing is both stupid and unprofitable (competitors).
        And there are many employees who can sit and do nothing. For if they do something, then it's an emergency (Aichi, firefighters, etc.)
        Geniuses capable of making a profit are quite common. It's just that not all of them are allowed to open up. Not all Doherty Fraziers, for example
        By myself, I know if you are sitting (did everything) and at the moment your superiors see you, then now you always do nothing. And the second moment if you did the job for two, and the authorities noticed it. Now you will always do this work - for it will be your responsibility. Without stopping the RFP of course.
      3. 0
        4 August 2021 23: 19
        This is not an anecdote, but a fairy tale - a profit, at the Ford plant!
  9. -2
    4 August 2021 15: 55
    I got to the site of the "Fireman" magazine?
    1. +7
      4 August 2021 16: 31
      No, "Beep"
      1. +11
        4 August 2021 19: 00
        Quote: lwxx
        No, "Beep"

        Once upon a time, "Gudok" - the organ of the Ministry of Railways of the USSR and the Central Committee of the trade union of railway workers, was my favorite newspaper. I worked there as a freelance correspondent. For my work in the 70s - 80s, I had to travel a lot around the country. I always tried to find time to visit somewhere in the wilderness some railway station, where a full-time correspondent would never be sent on purpose.
        He wrote articles about wonderful people who worked there, interviewed them, made photo reports.
        I am not ashamed of pathos, the most real devotees worked there. Responsible and obligatory. Imagine a 35-year-old man (since 1944, when he returned from the front as an invalid) who lived in a tiny service house - one room and a makeshift veranda - a summer kitchen, with a railway switch, which he had to keep in order in winter and summer and translate with your hands many times a day ...
        And work in the pouring rain, but in the terrible wind in November, the couriers and shoemakers on the sorting hills, with the whistle and thunder of iron, with tails of sparks - that's where the galley slaves are!
        1. +3
          4 August 2021 19: 24
          So I don't argue. There is no railway to Kamchatka. And I read the newspaper when I was young, in the 80s when I came to the mainland. In Novokuznetsk, relatives worked at the railway.
        2. +1
          4 August 2021 22: 57
          Quote: A. Privalov
          one room and a homemade veranda - a summer kitchen, with a railway switch, which he had to keep in order in winter and summer and translate with his hands many times a day ...

          Romance ... I would not refuse such a job in retirement. There is a small garden, mushrooms. Nature, in short
          1. +5
            5 August 2021 04: 43
            Quote: Motorist
            Romance ... I would not refuse such a job in retirement. There is a small garden, mushrooms. Nature, in short

            The arrow needs to be translated 9, and sometimes 12 times a day. In between, you can run to the grocery store, sleep and cook. He's there alone. On a wooden leg. Without days off and vacations, because there is no one to replace, and there is nowhere to go and go. Of the family and friends, only the dog remained. There was once a grandmother - his wife was not registered, but she died.
            And what started when it came time for him to retire. When the shooter was switched to remote control, and he was simply put out the door and the house was demolished ...
            So much for romance ...
  10. +7
    4 August 2021 16: 03
    The term, optimization, does not cause warm feelings in anyone ... we want to swear right away, without understanding what is what!
    I don't know about Russian Railways, but as an ordinary man in the street / passenger ... but there is nothing to say, because now we try to travel less often. Alas, alas, our life is not easy ...
    1. +10
      4 August 2021 16: 32
      Quote: rocket757
      I don’t know about Russian Railways, but as an ordinary man in the street / passenger ... but there’s nothing to say, because now we try to travel less often.

      Optimization at Russian Railways began many years ago with the transfer of tens of thousands of wagons of the common fleet for efficient use by operators.
      1. +5
        4 August 2021 16: 55
        The term itself carries a positive charge and meaning, but in crazy hands it turns into what we see ourselves.
        1. +1
          4 August 2021 17: 45
          That's the problem, in these hands are similar tools, as well as optimization.
      2. +2
        4 August 2021 17: 46
        That's right, optimization is a tool, in the right hands it can be useful ...
        The question is how it is used.
      3. +2
        4 August 2021 22: 58
        Quote: Flood
        from the transfer of tens of thousands of wagons of the general fleet for efficient use of operators.

        To put it simply, private traders affiliated with the leadership of the Russian Railways (current and former), with friends of a friend.
    2. +4
      4 August 2021 16: 57
      Quote: rocket757
      The term, optimization, does not cause warm feelings in anyone ... we want to swear right away, without understanding what is what!

      This term is not "optimization", but a reduction in the number of workers in the industry. Those who remain, having seen enough of the "optimized" ones, will work for a penny (the family needs to be fed), and they can always shut their mouths. Workers become disenfranchised elements of the capitalist enterprise.
      1. +3
        4 August 2021 17: 47
        We now have a capitalist world, as almost everywhere else.
        Alas, this does not please very many.
  11. +14
    4 August 2021 16: 18
    Tariffs have gone up. And Russian Railways lost a lot of clients ...

    Common situation.
    It is not far from the city to the regional center. The electric train has always been a mega-popular form of transport. Schedule: in 30 min. in the morning, an hour later - in the afternoon, there and back. Six cars packed, people were forced into the vestibule ... They wrote complaints to the directorate, "why not send 8 cars, how many people can be mocked" ...
    That was six years ago. Then a sharp increase in the cost of travel, by 25%, and 10% more expensive than by bus ... Private cab drivers immediately realized "why" and even reduced the cost of travel by 10 rubles ...
    Bottom line: the train with four carriages runs half empty to this day. They "woke up" six months later, reduced the cost by 15%, late ... The passenger did not return to them.
    Suburban pass. the company optimized the schedule, 4 times there (in the morning), 2 times back (in the evening) ...
    I don’t understand, for the life of me, the economic effect of all these perversions-optimizations ... 6 cars full or 4 half-empty ...
  12. +10
    4 August 2021 16: 30
    For a long time it is necessary to start "optimization" of the optimizers themselves, when they themselves are downsized and without salaries and pensions. But this, of course, is only in fairy tales, because officials are not made redundant. They are either in another chair, or for a promotion.
  13. +6
    4 August 2021 16: 31
    Rave! The "respondents" were asked about the medical provision, about the provision of clothing? For the future ... it is the compiler's OBLIGATION to secure the wagons, this is even indicated in the standard job description. And we are writing about, in fact, employee marriages. But write further, especially with such prefaces! Shame should be visible to everyone!
  14. +1
    4 August 2021 16: 44
    At the same time, we congratulate everyone related to the Day of the Railwayman and with such an expected (finally) indexation of wages! As much as 2,4%!
    With a salary of 10 rubles. - an increase of 000 rubles. "blessing" the people for the holiday.
    1. +3
      4 August 2021 18: 23
      Quote: tihonmarine
      With a salary of 10 rubles. - an increase of 000 rubles

      Where are such salaries for the railway?
      1. 0
        4 August 2021 18: 43
        Quote: Lesovik
        Where are such salaries for the railway?

        What, more?
        1. +3
          4 August 2021 22: 41
          Quote: tihonmarine
          What, more?

          Those. You, not knowing anything about salaries, without a shadow of a doubt indicated the numbers and trolled the "benefactors"?
          1. 0
            5 August 2021 08: 06
            Quote: Lesovik
            Those. You, not knowing anything about salaries, without a shadow of a doubt indicated the numbers and trolled the "benefactors"?

            I do not know how much the railway workers get, so explain how much, to my words you answered "that I" protrol ".
            1. +1
              5 August 2021 08: 41
              Quote: tihonmarine
              I don't know how much they get

              Why then name the numbers?
              Quote: tihonmarine
              so explain how much

              I will not take "bread" from Skomorokhov, all of a sudden this is the topic of a separate article from him ...
              1. -1
                5 August 2021 09: 03
                Quote: Lesovik
                Why then name the numbers?

                The figure is named 10 in order to make it clear that the "benefactors" added 000 rubles. and at 240 they added 20 rubles. and so on. And not who gets how much. And who gets how much, I do not look into my pocket.
                1. +1
                  5 August 2021 09: 18
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  The figure is named 10 to make it clear

                  If you had written this in response to my first question, we would have finished on that, and so ... Like the classics - "then there were spoons, but the sediment remained."
                2. 0
                  7 August 2021 07: 02
                  The addition is not as linear. The tariff is increasing. A premium is wound on this tariff, RK, where there are northern ones. In fact, it turns out more than 2,4.
              2. 0
                5 August 2021 09: 51
                Quote: Lesovik
                I will not take "bread" from Skomorokhov, all of a sudden this is the topic of a separate article from him ...

                I do not advise you to take it away, it will punish you.
                1. +1
                  5 August 2021 10: 22
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  I do not advise you to take it away, it will punish you.

                  I understood this after and after the "necessary preface". It's a pity only he "forgot" to write the continuation of one article. Even after an unobtrusive four-fold reminder laughing
                  1. 0
                    5 August 2021 10: 25
                    Quote: Lesovik
                    I understood this after and after the "necessary preface".

                    The main preface is hard to write, and then - to be continued ....
        2. +1
          8 August 2021 06: 56
          Quote: tihonmarine
          What, more?

          Yes, more, an assistant in the region of 70 tr, or even more depending on where the trip is. The driver is from 100. If the driver is alone, then somewhere 000 salary
          1. 0
            9 August 2021 09: 53
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Machinist from 100. If there is only one machinist, then somewhere 000 salary

            Well, this is already bearable.
      2. +1
        4 August 2021 22: 51
        Quote: Lesovik
        Where are such salaries for the railway?

        Such salaries exist in the Russian Federation.
        If you broadcast about the minimum living, then I explain that in many regions it is 9100 rubles, as an example, nurses-nurses receive 10 tyrs !!!
        1. 0
          4 August 2021 23: 22
          Quote: Stroporez
          Such salaries exist in the Russian Federation

          It's about the railway.
          Quote: Stroporez
          If you broadcast

          You are already broadcasting, I will not bother you.
  15. +4
    4 August 2021 16: 48
    Wait! Act of the second tragedy "Karenina and Optimization". laughing
    Despite the fact that the last time I worked as an assistant to the train builder (the old coupler) was in the fall of 1979, I remember these more than two months perfectly. 12-hour working day, with days of rest at the end, then 12-hour working night, with two days of rest.
    Thus, complaints of alleged fatigue are in favor of the poor. And even more, all my life there was an internal conflict between those who "worked on the ground", and those who earned a living as office plankton of various levels - from the watchman, to the senior staff of the station, or the management of the road. Like - who dug more ...
    Now about the main thing - about the efficiency of the railway transport.
    There is no point in reminding that there is no point in comparing the freight flows of the 80s of the last century and those of today. With the collapse of the USSR, cargo flows decreased significantly due to the termination of cooperation. And then road transport began to intercept the so-called. medium and small shipments. The employees of the steel gauge were left with wagon shipments, liquid bulk, and, in part, container transportation.
    Hence, the number of rolling stock (wagons, gondola cars with platforms, locomotives) is decreasing, as is the number of workers serving this direction - machinists with assistants, train builders with assistants in parks, employees of carriage and locomotive depots.
    The same situation was observed in the navy, when radio operators with heads of radio stations disappeared from the list of maritime professions on the occasion of the arrival of the GMDSS system.
    Rounding off ...
    Many people like to moan. This is not so, this is not so ... But the problems of "optimization" have affected many industries, where the staffing table was created on the basis of old working methods, and most importantly - the working conditions of a particular industry. But who would have known 30 years ago that there are such positions as system administrator or sales floor manager?
    At the same time, the milking machine operator is still a highly sought-after profession ...
    lol
    1. +4
      4 August 2021 16: 54
      Yes, and it will remain for a long time, until the time when the cows do not learn to milk themselves)))
      1. -2
        4 August 2021 16: 55
        Carrots have risen in price. But one cannot see or hear the mass cry "Everything - to the village!"
        wassat
        1. +1
          4 August 2021 16: 58
          No, we have already dropped in price)))
          1. 0
            4 August 2021 16: 59
            So someone managed to change their profile, grow carrots, and throw them on the market ...
            what
            1. +1
              4 August 2021 20: 22
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              So someone managed to change their profile, grow carrots, and throw them on the market ...

              Not necessary. Zucchini grew by themselves near our house. As it turned out later, the wife threw out the seeds from the purchased vegetable marrow. Twig and twig, twig and twig ... We got tired of eating and distributing to relatives. By nature, we are not villagers, we do not know how to store, we are in a hurry to eat until we deteriorate. Can you imagine how we dropped the demand on the market and knocked down the price tag? winked
              1. 0
                4 August 2021 20: 43
                Quote: Martyn
                Can you imagine how we dropped the demand on the market and knocked down the price tag?

                Zucchini?
                Next time, ask your spouse to throw out the carrots and beets. The neighbors will be jealous. But there is a chance that they will take the harvest. As in my village - pears are taken regularly.
    2. 0
      4 August 2021 17: 02
      Reduction of rolling stock under troubles, you will not find a driver with fire in the daytime !!! We wanted to buy ourselves a mankvrovy diesel locomotive, in general, they figured it out, like the rules, But faced with the fact that there are no drivers, no, who can be retired, and God forbid what happens to health! ??
      1. +1
        4 August 2021 17: 04
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        They wanted to buy a mankvrovy diesel locomotive, in general they considered it, like the norms

        You guys are just capitalists! Sharks of imperialism!
        laughing
        1. +2
          4 August 2021 17: 06
          Duc is second-hand, after a capital to work at the elevator, because there is only one station and serves three stations, and in peak months its absence is very expensive, thanks to its own locomotive, but this is not that.
          1. -2
            4 August 2021 17: 08
            So you also have an elevator? Well, right now, the "Bolshevik guild" will come off on the Nepmen and kulaks of the 21st century ...
            good
            1. +4
              4 August 2021 17: 23
              I work in an agro-industrial association, we have our own fields, two sugar factories, one for creameries and an elevator for 250 thousand tons of storage, fresh capacities were commissioned just in time for the current harvest, 4 new cans were supplied and 4 of our own railway branches and 70 of our own grain carriers
              1. 0
                4 August 2021 17: 30
                Having a job is not only a salary, but, undoubtedly, a fair sense of being in demand as a specialist.
                1. +2
                  4 August 2021 17: 33
                  Yes, in general, yes, although my basic education is completely different, but by the will of fate, now it is connected with the railway))) and agriculture))
        2. +1
          4 August 2021 17: 09
          By the way, a rather profitable business, companies are created, as a rule from the former, with mankvrovy bathing, capitalizing, making the necessary documents, service, fuel, and in some places and brigades of machinists and assistants and leasing it to large grooves, creameries, ports work, and if there is also the right to exit to the station, then it’s generally a song. And the park from tgemok to chmukh, different modifications
          1. +2
            4 August 2021 17: 14
            I agree - a holy place is never empty.
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            And the park from tgemok to chmukh,

            I remembered how I jumped from the shunting at a speed of 20 km / h. Once. I didn't jump anymore, waited for a complete stop.
            But the worst thing at first was to climb under the hitch to disconnect the hoses of the air line.
            And it was scary to wake up on the move to find that you were walking, clinging to the carriage.
            lol
            1. 0
              4 August 2021 17: 28
              In the spring, 4 doorsteps should have been brought to us from the station, the attendant warned her, I told her which way, but she either forgot to tell them and the compiler did not call back, in general, they flew too quickly to the path where our locomotive stood and kept the wagons under unloading , and as luck would have it, the peasants got stuck on the radio, at the last moment they stopped, the compiler flew with a fish from the platform into a snowdrift ... one side, a bag of grain to the other))))
      2. 0
        7 August 2021 07: 06
        Offer a good salary, there will be no end.
      3. 0
        11 August 2021 08: 15
        For this, the locomotive has an ALS and a hitchhiking.
    3. +3
      4 August 2021 18: 05
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      The same situation was observed in the navy, when radio operators with heads of radio stations disappeared from the list of maritime professions on the occasion of the arrival of the GMDSS system.

      Well, the navy was generally "optimized", on those ships where 62 sailors worked, 20 or even 18 sailors were left.
      1. +2
        4 August 2021 19: 13
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Well, the navy was generally "optimized", on those ships where 62 sailors worked, 20 or even 18 sailors were left

        The situation is saved only by the certificate of the minimum number of the ship's crew, issued by the flag.
        1. +1
          5 August 2021 08: 03
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          The situation is saved only by the certificate of the minimum number of the ship's crew, issued by the flag.

          Well, you know who installed the minimum crew in London. Although it is installed only to maintain the safety of ships, but not for normal commercial operation, this is the whole casuistry.
    4. +3
      4 August 2021 23: 06
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      The same situation was observed in the navy, when radio operators with heads of radio stations disappeared from the list of maritime professions on the occasion of the arrival of the GMDSS system.

      Here I will stand up for deck service: fasteners day and night, then unmooring and maneuvers, and then aground due to sleep on the watch. We swam - we know! And you say - also the GMDSS ...
      1. +1
        4 August 2021 23: 28
        Quote: Motorist
        Here I will stand up for deck service: fasteners day and night, then unmooring and maneuvers, and then aground due to sleep on the watch

        I don’t know where and how you plowed the vastness of the World Ocean. But today, on all ships of the sea fleet, the schedule for accounting for the work and rest of seafarers is observed, maybe not like our Father, but rather strictly. It is about the physical fatigue of navigators who are on watch.
        Another thing is that the fastening-unfastening of containers or wheeled vehicles is paid at a separate rate, i.e. for additional payment. Here - the choice of a lover of part-time jobs - do you want to be in time there and there? No problem. But the navigational watch is sacred! Because dozens of souls are sleeping peacefully in their cabins, hoping for that porno who, without resting before the watch, earned himself on his favorite gadget.
        And even more, today there is a Dead Man alarm system everywhere, which, if there is no movement within the sensors, first gives a light signal on the navigating bridge, then a vile sound signal sounds, and if the navigator is unable to acknowledge and extinguish the alarm, the general ship alarm is turned on.
        Well, if you worked for crooks who forced the crew to violate all conceivable rules of work and rest, then you knew in advance that you were hired to work "for grub".
        And here - every blacksmith to his own happiness ...
        1. 0
          4 August 2021 23: 59
          Competent optimization on the ships of the fishing industry is good. Instead of 3 people, the refgroup sometimes went as a part of 2 people, for the third they took a seaman w / c. And the wolves are fed and the refgroup is SATISFIED! I'm ready to carry the cap after the cash register.
          1. +1
            5 August 2021 00: 15
            The deadweight of my vessel is 6000 tons. The crew is 10 people. Nobody recycles. Nobody gets tired as hell in their eyes. Each contract (4 months after 4) - a new robe (or overalls, or trousers with a jacket). There are no problems with personal protective equipment - not only helmets, but good gloves of all kinds, glasses, masks. Everyone has their own winter suit. But for wear and tear - it gets a new one.
            There are two Whirlpool washing machines and two tumble dryers on board. Erase - I don't want to.
            Do you think there are no dissatisfied? Yes, no matter how ...
            1. -1
              5 August 2021 00: 30
              It is familiar why I received $ 100 less than Sidorov Ivanov, although our contracts are the same. The second navigator, specially for the statement, made a stencil: position, name, amount, in a line.
        2. +1
          6 August 2021 00: 44
          You wrote everything correctly, it should be so. But (in order, no quotes, sorry):

          - Rest hours be are written correctly, but what really is - one senior person knows ...
          - Try not to go to the fasteners (like, you don't need money) - you are in a charter with the steamer, and there it depends on the Charter party. Sailors' labor is cheap, and they count on them.
          - BWMS (Deadman) does not always turn on, do not ask me about the reasons ...
          - I worked under the flags of convenience, which is why they are comfortable.
          hi
          1. +1
            6 August 2021 10: 09
            Quote: Motorist
            Rest hours must be spelled correctly, but what it really is - one senior man knows

            Yes. There is a place to be ...
            But regulatory authorities, including Port State Control, are very closely studying the Rest Hours table, comparing it with all activities carried out on board, including mooring and drills. In the event of a discrepancy - at least a stuck, and if an ITF representative connects, the company will have to pay for an unplanned overtime, because You correctly noted that
            Quote: Motorist
            Try not to go to the fasteners (like, you don't need money) - you are in a charter with the steamer, and there it depends on the Charter party. Sailors are cheap labor, and they count on them

            I will say one thing - if you do not like the working conditions in the company, change the company. The labor market in the global maritime fleet is vast ...
            Quote: Motorist
            BWMS (Deadman) does not always turn on, do not ask me about the reasons

            And for such things, navigators must be driven into three necks, not only from the bridge, but also from the company.
            Quote: Motorist
            Worked under the flags of convenience, which is why they are comfortable

            I'll tell you this - working on the ships of Russian shipowners under the Russian flag is a special kind of extreme, sometimes turning into sadomasochism. And on ships under flags of convenience you can sometimes relax, especially if you enter Russian ports, where both border guards and port authorities sometimes sin with permissiveness in relation to Russian ships, although not everywhere.
            hi
            1. 0
              6 August 2021 14: 32
              Ilyich, this topic is very broad and scrupulous (from the point of view of capital, because the loot is most important). You and I will not correct the situation in the comments, even if we come to a consensus. You can think of me as a scavenger, but I still do not see the light at the end of the pipe tunnel, only obstacles.

              By the way, do you have a Lookout on the bridge at night, or should it be better to boil the coaming during the day? ..
              1. +1
                6 August 2021 23: 18
                Quote: Motorist

                By the way, do you have a Lookout on the bridge at night, or should it be better to boil the coaming during the day?

                Yeah, right now ... laughing
                No sailor on duty, either at night or in low visibility conditions. This is a luxury by today's standards, since there is so much work on deck that the boatswain and a couple of sailors barely have time.
                Even when traveling with a pilot on board, only the officer in charge of the watch is usually present with him on the bridge. And even German pilots don't blather - everyone knows that people are sorely lacking for routine maintenance.
                Here, no matter how paradoxical it sounds, it is necessary to create comfortable conditions for the pilot - like tea, coffee, let's dance. You can also feed if you drive for more than 5 hours, as it happens in Norway. By the way, Norwegian pilots are the most adequate.
                Well ... If the navigation support is based on ECDIS, and the radars work normally, then one navigator on the bridge can, and sometimes even need to, keep watch without an interlocutor. The main thing here is not to accidentally run over a yacht without AIS, or dodge fishermen in time, who have a habit of throwing themselves under your stem, if you go directly to the nets they put up. But this is already a routine ...
                hi
                1. 0
                  7 August 2021 17: 50
                  Ilyich, hello!

                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  Yeah, right now ...
                  ... there is so much work on deck that the boatswain and a couple of sailors barely have time.

                  That's what I'm talking about: there is not enough time, it means that something has not been completed somewhere.

                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  And even German pilots

                  What does "even" mean? The German pilot in the Kiel Canal did not make a sound when our captain pushed him away and tried to escape the collision and its consequences. And then he stood in a daze for a long time, trying to understand what had happened and whether his fifth point would suffer.

                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  one navigator on the bridge can, and sometimes it is necessary, to keep watch without an interlocutor

                  Here you are, for some reason, trying to justify the shipowner and Flag (and in your previous comments about Safe manning).

                  Safe manning is evil. Judging by the number of crew that you described earlier, you have one and a half people in your car, and of course there is no electromechanic. And who does his job (measuring insulation resistance, crimping contacts all panels and consumers, maintenance of transformers, and much more, not to mention troubleshooting)? Starmech? Well, yes, he has no more classes ... And the accident is accumulating! It does not happen immediately due to lack of maintenance, there is a margin of safety.

                  And crewing (not worthy of the HR title) is made up of clerks, not sailors. For them, people in the navy are pieces of paper (cheap pieces of paper are better for the budget), which can be transferred from tray to tray, or thrown into the basket after wrinkling.

                  Sorry, the cry of the soul ...

                  hi
                  1. +2
                    7 August 2021 18: 16
                    Quote: Motorist

                    Sorry cry from the heart

                    Why really there .. wassat
                    Quote: Motorist
                    Here you, for some reason, are trying to justify the shipowner and the Flag (and in your previous comments about Safe mainnge

                    This is not an excuse, but an understanding of what is happening.
                    It certainly won't be better. Therefore, it is necessary to fit into the current system.
                    I am working on the simplest type of General Cargo vessel. And I compare my capabilities with the requirements for seafarers when hiring specialized ships. And I never wanted to work either on container ships, especially on baby feeders, where there is no life, not on tankers, or gas carriers, or ro-ro ships or car carriers - this is work for wear and tear. You can't earn all the money, but health is one thing.
                    Quote: Motorist
                    Judging by the number of crew that you described earlier, you have one and a half people in your car, and of course there is no electromechanic. And who does his job (measuring insulation resistance, crimping the contacts of all panels and consumers, maintenance of transformers, and much more, not to mention troubleshooting)? Starmech? Well, yes, he has no more classes.

                    In the MO we have three people: a senior mech, a 2nd engineer and a minder. Electricians are handled by the starmech according to the Job Description.
                    And believe me - not only does no one recycle, but after 6 pm everyone is quietly resting, after dinner at 17:30 pm.
                    All ship maintenance work is built according to the PMS - Planned Maintenance System, built into the Shipnet One system. Spare parts and consumables are sent on time, according to requests through the same Shipnet One.
                    And the requirement for knowledge and ability to work on a computer is not discussed. As well as knowledge of English.
                    I am finalizing.
                    Working at sea is not sugar. But all of my classmates, for the most part, still surf the oceans, to the best of their abilities. They go ashore only for health reasons.
                    And it's boring there - on the shore. Continuous routine, dullness and routine ...
                    hi
                    1. +1
                      7 August 2021 18: 34
                      You are still in luck with the composition of the machine service! However, listen to the opinion of all the scammers and demand that the work be done on the PMS, and not "pretty" records. Unless, of course, the PMS was written by a clerk.

                      Trouble-free work and happy sailing! drinks
                      1. +1
                        7 August 2021 18: 41
                        Quote: Motorist
                        Trouble-free work and happy sailing!

                        Thank you!
                        Mutually!
                        drinks
      2. +3
        4 August 2021 23: 33
        Even fishermen on new projects do not reduce the crew, everything rests on unloading into the sea. They push everything modern to the fish factory, but the crews are still 80-120 people, with freezing from 100 tons per day. But on fishermen working on bottom rocks 36 - 50 people is the best option. There are no abbreviations and optimizations from the layer at all. The Master's optimizer will fly out into the street for two times when the fish is coming, and every ton counts.
  16. +2
    4 August 2021 16: 49
    These managers brought with them so many American and English terms that the instructions themselves began to sound somehow not in Russian.

    And this is in all areas of life. All Russian is destroyed and replaced by Anglo-Saxon terms. I wonder if they are these "managers" THERE study such terminology, or are they already taught this way at home?
  17. 0
    4 August 2021 16: 51
    Reminds me of Semin with his "letters". I myself can throw a bunch of such examples from the civil service. For the principle is the same everywhere.
  18. +2
    4 August 2021 16: 52
    The first Soviet optimizations on the railway, during the city construction, coincided with the grandiose disasters on the railway.
    1. 0
      4 August 2021 17: 00
      The most terrible disaster was not the fault of the railroad workers, I mean the explosion when two trains to Adler and from Adler converged
  19. +4
    4 August 2021 17: 01
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    Normally such an introduction, they say, do not like the comment, beware, wow !!! And nothing that we have a huge piece of iron and not everywhere as the author of the article writes and is told to him? But what about freedom of speech and expression?

    Hello, can you tell us where it is different from the article? At which station in the Russian Federation does the Russian Railways management not carry out or did not carry out the optimization?
    Under each word in the article I will subscribe that this is exactly the reality of working at Russian Railways.
    I work at the railway section at the plant and almost every day I meet these guys who are simply opupevayut from the heaped happiness in the form of optimization. It already comes to the point that after plowing a month in three shifts, the boss retroactively draws up time off, for certain dates, since overworking is not welcome.
    Russian Railways works according to the schedule from 9-00 to 21:00 and
    21-00 to 9-00.
    1. -1
      4 August 2021 17: 19
      And I did not deny that somewhere the optimization was not carried out, the question of how it was carried out, with what consequences, at the station at which we operate it, there were two shunting, there was only one, the volume of shipments at the same time increased from two stations at times and the driver and the compiler, and there are 4 of them, often stupidly has no time to dine, but there is almost no processing, and the head of the station, the sane aunt, tries as much as possible according to the timesheets and the bonuses to the peasants.
  20. +6
    4 August 2021 17: 25
    Q: it turns out that an increase in labor productivity due to the fact that instead of four people will work three?

    We open the website http://government.ru and look at the "Long-term development program of JSC Russian Railways until 19" approved by Order No. 2019-r of March 466, 2025, namely, section nine "Personnel and social policy".
    Quote.
    The number of employees of the holding as of June 30, 2018 is 921,2 thousand people, including the open joint-stock company Russian Railways - 759,7 thousand.
    Human. In order to achieve the strategic goals of the Russian Railways Open Joint Stock Company and taking into account the target perimeter of the holding in 2025 with the forecast level of work volume and labor productivity growth parameters ... joint-stock company "Russian
    railways "- 709 thousand people

    That is, by the officially approved program, the number of Russian Railways personnel in six years should be reduced by 50 people, or almost 700 percent.
    1. +5
      4 August 2021 17: 34
      The worst thing is that it is the working staff that will be cut, and not the office plankton, which my mother is dear, you can go crazy
  21. 0
    4 August 2021 17: 26
    But why not include this half hour, which, by the way, we kill every shift, in the work schedule?

    this is a question for you !? and in general throughout the entire article, under the lying stone ... to the labor dispute commission, and further to the court! these are now the "rules of the game", in the current reality, or endure and cry, good luck to you!
  22. +2
    4 August 2021 17: 26
    In general, nothing new. In the 90s, combat aviation was also "optimized". The groups in the AP were reduced, in the support units they left the equipment on wheels, the drivers were laid off. The majors went on flights behind the wheel of an APM-90 or APA. Who served at that time knows. Drive these SEOs with a filthy broom ... to Alaska.
  23. +7
    4 August 2021 17: 33
    Q: How does the optimization process take place?

    This commission walks, looks, studies and estimates. And then the head of the station is given an optimization task. That is, how many people this particular station manager should fire. And that's all.

    That's right, but it happens a little differently .. The top manager has a motivation to cut costs. If he succeeds, then he receives a bonus ... such that it will be enough for the whole year, for a whole depot ... Here is the manager and earns, for himself and the shareholders. And they give a fuck about people ..
    Having changed on Wednesday, it seems like I am resting from the night. And on Thursday I go out again in the day, from 8 to 20. And so on ad infinitum. Who can imagine how you feel after a month and a half - try it.

    Slavery .. people plow around the clock for food and clothing ..
    By the way, about the instructions. These managers brought with them so many American and English terms that the instructions themselves began to sound somehow not in Russian.

    And the funniest thing .. in our managers .. they will go through a bunch of trainings, learn American terms and words .. but they never get to the point .. Because they don't understand the essence .. or it is not applicable in our conditions.

    In general, optimization really turns us into a kind of octopus, who must do everything and not only quickly, but also efficiently.

    To summarize, I will express my own opinion .. We do not have optimization, we have profit making at any cost. This is more like a robbery, a robbery of the employer from himself .. but the paradox is that they do not feel themselves to be owners, they feel like temporary workers who need to cut the dough as soon as possible .. and there at least the grass does not grow ..
  24. +1
    4 August 2021 17: 40
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    And I did not deny that somewhere the optimization was not carried out, the question of how it was carried out, with what consequences, at the station at which we operate it, there were two shunting, there was only one, the volume of shipments at the same time increased from two stations at times and the driver and the compiler, and there are 4 of them, often stupidly has no time to dine, but there is almost no processing, and the head of the station, the sane aunt, tries as much as possible according to the timesheets and the bonuses to the peasants.

    On yours it turns out not everywhere the same as with the author in the article. But at the same time, write that you have optimization at the station, it was also carried out that the people were reduced, and the shipment increased at the same time, that people do not have stupid time for lunch. It's good or bad for you. I think that it is bad when people are sewn up and stupidly work for themselves as an optimized employee, it will not lead to anything good and does not lead.
    1. +2
      4 August 2021 17: 46
      By and large, this is not good, but alas, this is a given, and here a lot depends on the leader on earth, how to make sure that the employee is retained and that there is no emergency, somewhere it turns out, and somewhere it does not, somewhere a private company takes part of the functions, thereby reducing the load directly on the brigade of the
  25. +3
    4 August 2021 18: 13
    This is an appeal to readers who write comments. In the first, setting article of the cycle, I openly said that all the information was provided by the current employees of Russian Railways, who, by the way, were very indignant during their acquaintance with the uncovered aggression and rudeness on the part of some readers. Unfortunately, everything said in my article about 10 years on the "Military Review" on this topic is absolutely true. There is no need to read the article, the main thing is to express your "fairy" and show your alleged awareness.

    Well, nothing can be done about it, for some people plebeianism is registered in the genome, and to take offense at such is not to respect oneself. Fortunately, these do not solve anything, and therefore their "valuable comments" can be safely poured into the toilet. hi
    The cycle is quite curious.
  26. +6
    4 August 2021 18: 23
    Smbd, 5s - brought from behind a hillock. Created by people for people with their own mentality. We just dragged these clowns-managers, but how the Russian person will work with this, they did not guess. It is a pity that the darkest one has no relatives in working positions in a piece of iron, maybe he would have known what was going on there, and not what the white lake was rubbing him.
    I may have been too harsh on the first part of Roman's article, but I want the author to continue the work he started to demonstrate abscesses or even tumors in this rotten system.
    1. +4
      4 August 2021 19: 04
      Oh, the 5C system is a separate story! In principle, there is nothing particularly bad about it, but in our country it comes to such fanaticism ...
  27. +7
    4 August 2021 18: 44
    I do not work for Russian Railways, but for a very recognizable company ... Change the job titles and everything will be exactly the same. And optimization, and reduction, and training with a combination. Just as they wrote from us, and we also have, by the way, OPO (hazardous production facilities), although fortunately we cannot compare with Russian Railways in terms of the number of possible victims ...
  28. +4
    4 August 2021 19: 01
    Quote: Svarog
    Q: How does the optimization process take place?

    This commission walks, looks, studies and estimates. And then the head of the station is given an optimization task. That is, how many people this particular station manager should fire. And that's all.

    That's right, but it happens a little differently .. The top manager has a motivation to cut costs. If he succeeds, then he receives a bonus ... such that it will be enough for the whole year, for a whole depot ... Here is the manager and earns, for himself and the shareholders. And they give a fuck about people ..
    Having changed on Wednesday, it seems like I am resting from the night. And on Thursday I go out again in the day, from 8 to 20. And so on ad infinitum. Who can imagine how you feel after a month and a half - try it.

    Slavery .. people plow around the clock for food and clothing ..
    By the way, about the instructions. These managers brought with them so many American and English terms that the instructions themselves began to sound somehow not in Russian.

    And the funniest thing .. in our managers .. they will go through a bunch of trainings, learn American terms and words .. but they never get to the point .. Because they don't understand the essence .. or it is not applicable in our conditions.

    In general, optimization really turns us into a kind of octopus, who must do everything and not only quickly, but also efficiently.

    To summarize, I will express my own opinion .. We do not have optimization, we have profit making at any cost. This is more like a robbery, a robbery of the employer from himself .. but the paradox is that they do not feel themselves to be owners, they feel like temporary workers who need to cut the dough as soon as possible .. and there at least the grass does not grow ..

    Everything is exactly as you described. Unfortunately, this is the bitter truth of our life.
  29. +6
    4 August 2021 19: 14
    Quote: paul3390
    But the same managers and owners - heavier than their own intimate device in their hands in life did not hold anything. But - they take the audacity to steer the most complex industries and enterprises. Although they don't fucking understand what they rule.
    For example, the new 29-year-old minister of education of the Astrakhan region. He knows about education only from the training process in the specialty "shipbuilding" (https://bloknot-astrakhan.ru/news/stalo-izvestno-kto-zaymet-post-ministra-obrazovani-1374096?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop), Minister of Sports legal advisor appointed. But both are party-goers at sabbaths like "Leader of Russia".
  30. +3
    5 August 2021 09: 21
    "There is no impossible job for a person who does not have to do it himself." (C) Murphy's Law.
    In principle, I did not discover anything new (for myself): capitalism, with its "optimization", reached Russia ...
  31. 0
    5 August 2021 09: 32
    The trains collided again yesterday. How many times in a month? And it’s good that the freight trains .. During his time, ZKUPS (old pom military commander of the railway station) went to check the guards, so until you find your legs, you will erase them. And now the parks are empty. Loose the passenger depot into a turd (now some kind of indistinct bunch of small parasites with their staff of great managers (in their heads, as a rule, former and current supreme managers and personal friends of the most close to the "body"). Wagon-wheel workshops were closed (at the dawn of our capitalism , not yet oligarchic, one of the most profitable industries on the road) 10 years (riverport, airport, KPD plant, flour mill, dairy plant, woodworking plant, shipyard, state farm ....) In general, gentlemen are on the right path.
  32. +3
    5 August 2021 10: 27
    The wife works in the MCh on the Russian Railways. Although he works in staff in the office, but in one person. On vacation or sick leave no one replaces. You have to work around the clock to go on vacation, and then around the clock to clean up everything after the vacation. There is a problem with personnel. Nobody wants to go to blue-collar jobs for a small salary. Children practically do not see their mother. It works on weekends almost every week and at work is delayed until 8 pm, although the working day ends at 16.12. For 10 years that we have been married, I have never left work on time. So I will subscribe to every word in the article. Everything is written correctly. And every year it gets worse.
    1. 0
      16 August 2021 20: 39
      It is with the MCH that you have to interact. The commodity cashiers groan from processing, constantly shorten the working week - five, four, three days (they used to work around the clock), on vacation at their own expense, but the goods do not go anywhere, they have to stay after work or go out on their day off - work is not paid, but for unfulfilled they are deprived of all sorts of additional payments and fined. So they have to freeze bribes for each railway invoice. And so in all the lower levels.
  33. +4
    5 August 2021 12: 09
    I don’t understand, but what is the resonance of the article?

    Is capitalism in the Russian Federation? Capitalism.
    And if capitalism, then a conditional "representative of the people" is considered by the owners of organizations that create products and services in the interests of which the state system works, not as a person, but as a set of useful functions that can be removed from it, such as squeezing juice from grapes ... Therefore, he lives poorly and there are no prospects for improving his life, because the goal under capitalism is to maximize benefits at the expense of the "representative of the people", and not to improve his living conditions.

    Is the center of vital interests of the owners from the Russian Federation located in the Russian Federation? No, in the West.
    And since in the West, then the owners will not seek to invest in improving the living environment directly in the Russian Federation. For this reason, the erroneous impression is created that "the Russian Federation is a colony from which only resources are squeezed out." RF is certainly not a colony. Neither official, nor crypto, nor any other. It's just that the resources for the most part belong to private owners who are allowed to withdraw funds from their sale abroad, which they do. Accordingly, there is too little money left for the qualitative development of the habitat in the Russian Federation itself. Therefore, the country lives like this. Well, of course, apart from large centers like Moscow and St. Petersburg, where the lion's share of the administration is concentrated, serving both the state system and private corporations, for which good living conditions need to be created, since Moscow and St. Petersburg are already their center of vital interests.

    Therefore, all comparisons between the Russian Federation and Western countries are inappropriate. The current system is deliberately built in such a way that money from the Russian Federation would flow to the West. All other problems of "people from the people in the Russian Federation" are a natural consequence of this process.

    The goal of a person's life is not work as such. But when work becomes precisely that goal, without which banal biological survival is impossible, such existence becomes inherently equivalent to "slave". And slaves, both official and de facto, in all ages existed only so that someone else could live a full life at their expense. This remark already applies not only to the Russian Federation, but in principle to any system that considers a person primarily as a conditional "screw for production."
  34. AB
    +2
    5 August 2021 13: 34
    So what's the use of writing articles? Those in power, if they read them, are in brief reviews of their press secretaries. At the same time, no body movements are performed. Here doctors shouted shouting about the inadmissibility of reducing staff and bed capacity. Before the pandemic, did any of those sitting above hear them? No, it’s the same with teachers, when there are no qualified specialists left in the country, then all the optimized nonsense will be reviewed. In the meantime, graduated people who do not know how to do anything come out of educational institutions. So it will be with the railway. Until the thunder breaks out, the top will not scratch ...
  35. -1
    5 August 2021 20: 39
    This is a huge bureaucratic and unmanageable structure. It needs to be divided for real, the entire rolling stock should be withdrawn and privatized, given the opportunity to build private railways, and the state infrastructure should be transferred to the Federal State Unitary Enterprise or something like that with an independent board of directors with the participation of carriers and shippers. Kind of advice to the market in the power system. Then the system can develop. And so they are trying to squeeze out efficiency on a penny in the boiler, inflating the administrative staff by millions of rubles.
    In general, they are just a little optimized, which allows them to engage in profanity.
  36. 0
    6 August 2021 15: 40
    I will not say anything about the internal kitchen of Russian Railways, I do not touch it in any way, I will unsubscribe as a passenger.
    1. Train speed, number of trains, route network, ticket availability and convenience of purchasing them have significantly improved.
    2. Comfort in passenger trains has been significantly updated.
    3. I cannot say that the cost of the trip has increased greatly, it is still the most affordable mode of transport in terms of comfort and cost of the trip. Of course, if you do not take SV and all sorts of businesses.
    4. Alas, the culture of our people leaves much to be desired. We got into a clean carriage, in the toilet in Russian, a sign with large letters weighs - "Do not throw paper, tampons and various objects into the toilet." an hour after departure, the toilet is full of paper and all sorts of rubbish. As a result, for the whole trip, by some miracle, one cabin per carriage remained working.
    5. Yes, they are everywhere with us, they love this business very much and, alas, they do not do it wisely. But optimizers are the same people as those of the 4th point, they are just a copy of our society.
    The devastation starts with the toilets and continues in the heads.

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