Russian multipurpose fighter Su-35S of the Air Defense Forces fell into the Sea of ​​Okhotsk

Russian multipurpose fighter Su-35S crashed in the Far East. According to the press service of the Eastern Military District, the plane crashed in the Khabarovsk Territory.

According to the information available at this time, the fighter performed a planned flight, taking off from the Dzemgi airfield in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. Four minutes after takeoff, the aircraft engine failed, the pilot managed to eject. The search group was able to quickly find him and deliver him to the home airfield. The pilot has already been examined by doctors, nothing threatens his life and health.

On July 31, 2021, in the Khabarovsk Territory, during scheduled training flights, an engine failure occurred on a Su-35S aircraft. The pilot ejected, was promptly found by the search group and taken to the home airfield. There is no threat to the pilot's health

- said in a statement.

The fighter itself, according to preliminary data, fell in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. As a result of the fall, no one was injured. The reason for the crash will be determined by a special commission of the Eastern Military District, created after the incident with the Su-35S.

Su-35 is a Russian multi-purpose super-maneuverable fighter of the generation "4 ++", with engines with controlled thrust vectoring (UHT). Developed in the Sukhoi Design Bureau. Modification for the Russian videoconferencing system is designated as Su-35С. The aircraft is able to carry up to 8 tons of combat load. The “4 ++ generation” is conditional and only indicates that, in the aggregate of characteristics, the fighter is very close to the characteristics of the fifth-generation fighter, with the exception of low-visibility technology and AFAR.

Comments

[Vol4ara]

He has 2 of them, the engine. Two refused at once?
Wangyu or birds or fuel
I remember there was a case when those who decided to save money painted the barrels with fuel from the inside with ordinary paint ...
If you believe the wiki, then a billion rubles fell, it's very regrettable, but it's good that the pilot is alive

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Vol4ara

He has 2 of them, the engine. Two refused at once?
Wangyu or birds or fuel
I remember there was a case when those who decided to save money painted the barrels with fuel from the inside with ordinary paint ...
If you believe the wiki, then a billion rubles fell, it's very regrettable, but it's good that the pilot is alive

There are no aircraft that would not fall. And the fact that everything is in order with the pilot is great.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

There are no aircraft that would not fall. And the fact that everything is in order with the pilot is great.

That is why it is interesting why military aviation cannot be brought up to civilian standards, in which aircraft crashes are extremely rare with a huge raid, in the military, on the contrary, cases when an aircraft crashes happen regularly, although they fly there much less often than civilian aircraft, which are almost constantly in the air, and in any air force this the situation manifests itself.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote: Aron Zaavi

There are no aircraft that would not fall. And the fact that everything is in order with the pilot is great.

That is why it is interesting why military aviation cannot be brought up to civilian standards, in which aircraft crashes are extremely rare with a huge raid, in the military, on the contrary, cases when an aircraft crashes happen regularly, although they fly there much less often than civilian aircraft, which are almost constantly in the air, and in any air force this the situation manifests itself.

Do not know. The Israeli Air Force has lost three aircraft and five helicopters from enemy fire over the past 30 years. 5 crew members were killed. And in the course of training flights, 17 aircraft and 14 helicopters crashed. 7 crew members were killed. Think about it.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

why military aviation cannot be brought up to civilian standards

So the standards are different.
For civilians, it is important that the engine runs economically under constant load.
And in military equipment, the load during maneuvers is constantly changing. And the engine itself undergoes considerable overloads during maneuvers, and in different directions.
If a civilian plane is forced to turn the barrels and loops, even if it can and does not fall apart, then the engine will not work for long.

[Vitaly Petrov_3]

"It's hard to learn .." Suvorov A.V.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Think about it.

There is only one conclusion: a "babay" with a slingshot is less dangerous for Israeli aviation than guys with clumsy hands who carry out maintenance and control before departure.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Think about it.

There is only one conclusion: a "babay" with a slingshot is less dangerous for Israeli aviation than guys with clumsy hands who carry out maintenance and control before departure.

Our pilots were found guilty in almost all cases. In our Air Force, they constantly work out work on super small and extremely dangerous maneuvers, but at the same time they still require not to go over the restrictions, but there are reckless heads who themselves die and cars are ruined.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Our pilots were found guilty in almost all cases.

I believed that in Israel, professionals are allowed to fly, and not boys from the street.

[Shurik70]

Quote: ROSS 42

I believed that in Israel, professionals are allowed to fly.

Can't a professional be a bully?
Recall for example Chkalov. Professional, order bearer.
And - famous more as a hooligan than a conqueror of the pole, the first pilot of a transcontinental route and the developer of manuals for testers of new aircraft

[saturn.mmm]

If it were not for the hooligans, where would aerobatics such as Chakras of Frolov, Cobra Pugachev, etc. come from.

[EvilLion]

The loop is also initially hooliganism, and Nesterov was punished for it.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Our pilots were found guilty in almost all cases.

I believed that in Israel, professionals are allowed to fly, and not boys from the street.

Apparently we have slightly different criteria for assessing professionalism. But here I myself know little.

[Sirocco]

When the LTC was trained, the teachers said that up to 500 hours of flight, nothing threatens you, because you are afraid, and performs the flight control, but after 500 hours you or some of you begin to consider yourself aces. Well, the results are obvious.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Our pilots were found guilty in almost all cases.

We, too, will have the pilot to blame, to fly in 4 minutes from Komsomolsk to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, it was necessary to accelerate the engine so that no plane could withstand

[Doliva63]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Our pilots were found guilty in almost all cases.

We, too, will have the pilot to blame, to fly in 4 minutes from Komsomolsk to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, it was necessary to accelerate the engine so that no plane could withstand

Here it is, Putin's hypersonic weapon! In fact, probably just a typo.

[askort154]

Aaron Zaavi ....Our pilots were found guilty in almost all cases.

There is an unwritten rule in aviation. To blame the crash on the lost crew (pilot), so that the shadow does not fall on the aircraft manufacturer. In such cases, the chairmen of the commission of inquiry, appoint a representative from the technical services, and the co-chair, from the flight service. The chairman is given the setting. So it was under the USSR, and so it is now in all countries. The prestige of the aircraft manufacturer (its profit) is much more expensive than the deceased pilot, no matter how blasphemous it may sound.
Indicative in this regard, the crash of the Japanese F-35. There is generally an absurd conclusion - the pilot lost consciousness during a dive.

[EvilLion]

It is in your office that they write off and appoint scapegoats, and in the aviation establish the reasons for preventing further similar incidents.

[Cat]

This is why it is interesting why military aviation cannot be brought up to civilian standards.

Because then military aviation will become civilian. Purely for technical reasons - the combat aircraft is optimized to cause maximum inconvenience to the enemy, and not to provide maximum safety and comfort to its crew.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Gato

... not to provide maximum safety and comfort for your crew.

In your words, it turns out that a military aircraft is created in order to bring discomfort and inconvenience to the crew? Will you be sure that a pilot experiencing minimal safety and discomfort will be able to complete any assigned task? Maybe you are touched by the principle: “We create difficulties for ourselves in order to then heroically overcome them”?
In any case, the variant with Japanese kamikaze is not acceptable for us.

[Cat]

In your words, it turns out that a military aircraft is created in order to bring discomfort and inconvenience to the crew?

According to my words, this does not work out in any way. Again, the combat aircraft is optimized to perform a certain range of combat missions. And the comfort of the crew is realized exactly to the extent to ensure the fulfillment of these tasks. No more, but no less.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Gato

According to my words, this does not work out in any way.

Will you teach me Russian?
Yours

Quote: Gato

combat aircraft optimized to cause maximum inconvenience to the enemy, and not to provide maximum safety and comfort to your crew.

We look:

Optimization is the process of maximizing beneficial performance.

Thus, you argue that the beneficial characteristics and capabilities of combat aircraft are achieved by neglecting the safety of the pilot and creating domestic inconveniences for him. What you wrote, I read it. Therefore, there is a question mark at the end of the phrase.
And it was necessary:
Purely for technical reasons - the combat aircraft is optimized to cause maximum inconvenience to the enemy, and maximum safety, inconvenience and discomfort are provided by special training of the flight crew. This is how they differ from the passengers of a civilian airliner.
That's it!

[Cat]

maximum safety, the presence of inconvenience and discomfort is provided by special training of the flight crew

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Gato

maximum safety, inconvenience and discomfort compensated special flight personnel training

Keep on laughing ...

[EvilLion]

You generally understand that the cockpit is a workplace, and unlike the cabin of a passenger plane, which includes exactly what almost any people, only people with knowledge and only in the appropriate equipment get there, which allows you to perform a combat mission, and if necessary leave the car?

And so, combat aircraft operates in a very wide range of conditions, a civilian airliner should not tumble with wild overloads, or fly at low altitude, hiding from enemy radars.

[lucul]

This is why it is interesting why military aviation cannot be brought up to civilian standards, in which plane crashes are extremely rare with a huge raid,

This will cause a strong decrease in the har-k. Military equipment was created to be operated at the limit of the design capabilities of equipment and the materials themselves. Therefore, the reliability is lower.
It's like with Formula 1 - the engine, for example, has high characteristics, but has a service life of only 300 km before overhaul. A simple passenger state employee has a mileage of 500 km. and higher .
But this does not mean that the engine in Formula 1 is much worse than in a budget car)))

[Alex_Rarog]

In civil aviation, the speed and load are different. If they would fly at subsonic without overloads and afterburners, then maybe they would not fall.
The simplest comparison is the reverse of an ordinary car and, say, a drift or a drag car.

[EvilLion]

The most damaged post-Soviet aircraft we have is the Yak-130.

[Cat]

There are no aircraft that would not fall. And the fact that everything is in order with the pilot is great.

Actually, flight is a controlled fall to Earth. And if you classify landings according to Chuck Yeager ("If you can get away from the landing site, this is a good landing. If you use the plane the next day, this is a great landing."), Then everything is satisfactory with the pilot.

[venik]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

There are no aircraft that would not fall. And the fact that everything is in order with the pilot is great.

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Such is the service of military pilots!

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

There are no aircraft that would not fall. And the fact that everything is all right with the pilot is great

I'm afraid there will be a serious showdown. If the engine was "cut off" by one, and the pilot panicked and ejected ... I grew up in the garrison. At a military airfield. The conversations between my father and his comrades about various flight accidents are my bedtime stories. Throwing an airplane with one of two engines working ... Neither of them would have thought ...

[Volkof]

Su-35 is a twin-engine military aircraft, all systems are duplicated ... It crashes only in two cases: failure of the remote control system of the SDU or for fuel ... These 2 reasons account for more than 95% ...

[Dikson]

You forgot to mention the third case - when there is no pilot in the cockpit ..

[EvilLion]

Because in other cases, the plane is half-hearted, but sits down and is repaired.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

the engine was "cut off" by one, and the pilot panicked and ejected ...

I propose to wait for what the officials say, maybe it turns out that the initial information missed something and the pilot acted according to the situation? And he did the right thing

[tol100v]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

There are no aircraft that would not fall. And the fact that everything is in order with the pilot is great.

The worst thing in the media is loud Headlines!

[Andrey Mansurov]

What kind of fuel? And what kind of ordinary paint? And why paint with this "ordinary paint" at all. On what basis is this "ordinary paint?" And how is the inside of the tanks painted with this "ordinary paint"? Who? On whose orders?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Vol4ara

If you believe the wiki, then a billion rubles fell,

A billion was worth Su34 8-10 years ago.
And this one will be cooler, so count everything one and a half. And taking into account the course, and two and a half.
But this is a piece of iron, and iron can always break.
The main thing is the pilot is alive and well.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Quote: Vol4ara

If you believe the wiki, then a billion rubles fell,

A billion was worth Su34 8-10 years ago.
And this one will be cooler, so count everything one and a half. And taking into account the course, and two and a half.
But this is a piece of iron, and iron can always break.
The main thing is the pilot is alive and well.

I could not imagine that they cost so much. I look at the wiki, it says 2 lard, I think it’s some kind of nonsense, I read below some general said that at least 1 lard, it was straightforward, but apparently it’s really about 2x ...

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Vol4ara

I could not imagine that they cost so much.

It is in parrots (rubles) that they are so long, and in foreign currency it is only 27 million dollars.
For comparison, football player Malcolm Zenith bought last summer for 40 million euros from Barcelona.

[figwam]

Quote: Vol4ara

He has 2 of them, the engine. Two refused at once?

The second engine is needed to reach the accident site) The main thing is that the tragedy did not happen, the pilot is alive and well.

[out of habit]

The second engine is needed to reach the accident site)

Where to reach?

[figwam]

Quote: out of habit

Where to reach?

Do not delve into it, this is aviation humor.

[mmaxx]

Lasted out.
Only here it is: there is so much foolishness in one engine that it should be more than enough for a normal flight.

[iouris]

The story that if a fighter has two engines, then there is less risk, needs to be checked.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Vol4ara

He has 2 of them, the engine. Two refused at once?

Those. 2 engines are not a panacea, as we were assured here of the superiority of 2 engines over single engine ones.

[Orkraider]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Those. 2 engines are not a panacea, as we were assured here of the superiority of 2 engines over single engine ones.

Greetings!
Su-35, due to the failure of one engine - cannot fall. However, like all twin-engine aircraft. This is just one of the advantages of twin-engine.
I assume that the cause of the accident is different.

[figwam]

Quote: Orkraider

I assume that the cause of the accident is different.

Surely a flock of birds got on the plane and both engines became.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Orkraider

I assume that the cause of the accident is different.

There is not quite as voiced

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Orkraider

Su-35, due to failure of one engine - cannot fall

Especially in the Okhotsk Sea, after 4 minutes of takeoff

[alexmach]

Those. 2 engines are not a panacea, as we were assured here of the superiority of 2 engines over single engine ones.

in mathematics, a loaded reserve (for example, a second engine operating in parallel with the first) gives an increase in MTBF by 1,4 times.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Vol4ara

He has 2 of them, the engine. Two refused at once?

Those. 2 engines are not a panacea, as we were assured here of the superiority of 2 engines over single engine ones.

If the pilot did not have experience in flying with one engine, he could well have been given an emergency escape command.

[not main]

Quote: Piramidon

If the pilot did not have experience in flying with one engine, he could well have been given an emergency escape command.

And nothing that before an independent "circle" you need to work out at least two circles with "one working"?

[tol100v]

In the "old days" there was a saying: if it bangs, then the connection will not help

[mmaxx]

The tanks are "painted" with a sealant. And they check for tightness in all sorts of ways.
Aviation is like this: it is falling.

[Troll]

Not a billion, but almost two. Check out the wiki you are linking to. Which is just over $ 26 million.
..
But if the pilot is alive, then fuck with them, the plane will still be made.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Vol4ara

I remember there was a case when those who decided to save money painted the barrels with fuel from the inside with ordinary paint ...

And then what happened? And what kind of barrels were they painted from the inside, and where was that?

[EvilLion]

Maybe the afterburner refused to climb, and the car took a bite, if the altitude was low, and the EDSU could not immediately stabilize the plane, then perhaps the ground or the pilot himself chose to eject.

[Ruslan Anikin]

The barrel incident was in civil aviation.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Ruslan Anikin

The barrel incident was in civil aviation.

So, already closer to the body. And where exactly, and what kind of barrels?

[Mouse]

The main thing is the pilot is alive! There is nothing more precious than a person's life ... our boyfriend like you and me ...

[Clear]

Quote: Mouse

The main thing is the pilot is alive! There is nothing more precious than a person's life ... our boyfriend like you and me ...

Конечно.
The country is big, the army is also big. Unfortunately, it happens.

[Mouse]

How to say ... the less the better ... something like that ...

[Clear]

Quote: Mouse

How to say ... the less the better ... something like that ...

Everything will be fine with our army. There is order in it.

[Kaw]

After all, there are two engines. Why does one engine failure lead to a fall? Even civilian twin-engine airplanes keep perfectly in the air with one engine inoperative, although their power-to-weight ratio is much lower.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Kaw

After all, there are two engines. Why does one engine failure lead to a fall? Even civilian twin-engine airplanes keep perfectly in the air with one engine inoperative, although their power-to-weight ratio is much lower.

I wrote above, a flock of birds or fuel, as an option, the destruction of one engine resulted in the destruction of the second

[Piramidon]

Quote: Kaw

Even civilian twin-engine planes fly perfectly with one engine inoperative.

For this, pilots train and receive admissions.

[Saxahorse]

It's good that the pilot was saved! Last time, three out of four were lost after the collision. Maybe that's why he hurried to eject while he was over land.

[EvilLion]

Well, that's why "the MiG-23 was scary to fly."

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: EvilLion

Well, that's why "the MiG-23 was scary to fly."

It was normal to fly on it, like on all others: to be afraid of wolves - not to go to the forest

[bogart047]

one engine failed? There are two of them just for this case.

[Fungus]

This is one of the versions of engine failure. Something else is possible. He was over the sea. The seagulls could have hit.

[Toucan]

It's funny, but how could an airplane take off from the airfield in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, in 4 minutes, end up over the Sea of ​​Okhotsk?

[URAL72]

Yes, it's clear that it's a dark matter. The pilot had to eject if he was at low altitude. And if not ... Everywhere there are people who are out of place. I remember there was a case when the power supply of the Su-27 failed. Everything was disconnected. But it has a backup control loop, either mechanics or hydraulics. The pilot landed the car on engine nacelles and lower vertical tail. The plane was rebuilt quickly and straight into the unit. Another such case was in the 90s in Hungary, also the Su-27. At some air show, both engines failed. He also sat on the engine nacelles.

[kit88]

Everything was disconnected.

There is no "mechanics" on the Su-27, but the hydraulics need working engines. If everything is turned off, then the power is supplied from the emergency bus from two 20NKBN-25 U3 batteries. "Flight time 10 minutes, landing at the nearest airfield." And if there is a "failure of two hydraulic systems, in the absence of pressure, eject." The chassis is emergency from the pneumatic system - no electricity is needed.

[EvilLion]

There, they put on pylons, it is unlikely that the nacelle itself, after touching the ground at 250 km / h, would be maintainable, like the engines.

[Piramidon]

Quote: bogart047

one engine failed? There are two of them just for this case.

The plane can fly, and the rest depends on the pilot's experience and admission to flying with one failed control system.

[Prisoner]

The guy is alive already well. And the reason for the refusal to establish is still necessary. For "every accident, disaster and accident has a name, patronymic and surname." (Koganovich L.)

[tralflot1832]

Guys, who knows. Far Easterners write, the plane took off from Dzemga and the pilot ejected after 4 minutes. Well, they found it, and the plane fell 50 km from the Smernykh, this is Sakhalin Region. The distance is straight, 424 - 50 km = 374 km. This is that the "Belgian" version is obtained, if they do not lie.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: tralflot1832

Guys, who knows. Far Easterners write, the plane took off from Dzemga and the pilot ejected after 4 minutes. Well, they found it, and the plane fell 50 km from the Smernykh, this is Sakhalin Region. The distance is straight, 424 - 50 km = 374 km. This is that the "Belgian" version is obtained, if they do not lie.

Strange, even with the afterburner in 4 minutes it is 160 km

[Clear]

Quote: tralflot1832

It is that the "Belgian" version is obtained, if they are not lying.

Andrey, what is this "Belgian version"?

[tralflot1832]

When a Soviet fighter took off in the GDR, the pilot ejected due to a malfunction of the engine, and the plane calmly flew over the GDR, the FRG and fell on a farm in Belgium, he even killed a farmer. The scandal was terrible. The end of the 80s.

[URAL72]

In my opinion, this MiG-23 took off in Poland. The pilot arrived from vacation. I restored my skills. Bailouts ...

[Clear]

Quote: tralflot1832

When a Soviet fighter took off in the GDR, the pilot ejected due to a malfunction of the engine, and the plane calmly flew over the GDR, the FRG and fell on a farm in Belgium, he even killed a farmer. The scandal was terrible. The end of the 80s.

Thank you very much I tried to find it myself, but I couldn't find it.

[EvilLion]

This is a very famous incident with the MiG-23. NATO interceptors then went to the nanodestructor, and saw that the cockpit was empty, they did not dare to shoot over populated areas, but the plane still found a house for the fall, in which the EMNIP 18-year-old son of the owners was located.

[Clear]

Quote: Clear

Quote: tralflot1832

It is that the "Belgian" version is obtained, if they are not lying.

Andrey, what is this "Belgian version"?

None of this For the question - minus without explaining. Probably satisfied with "courage"

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

One engine refused, the second working all-early did not allow the car to land on the airfield, so if it makes sense to buy only two-engine aircraft for the Aerospace Forces ?!

Or maybe it's not an engine failure?

[EvilLion]

Yes, if this motor allows you to at least reach the place of safe ejection.

[bober1982]

Quote: Object.F7

why the first disaster

Not a disaster, but an accident

Quote: Object.F7

so similar

How do you know?
Everything is fine, do not worry, once it should have fallen.

[Object.F7]

I do not argue, sometimes I am paranoid and drifting, but more often my intuition does not let me down. Yes, of course, once after all, it should have happened: you open the compartment, and there the bolt flies, the space is so large, and the bolt is so small, why bother, a project for an immeasurable number of man-hours and costs, the entire module skin shines with gold, and inside the bolt ... It's okay.

[mmaxx]

Adnazchna Putin is to blame. Such cases cannot do without it.

[Keer]

Putin drove through Putin,
Putin sees Putin Putin,
Putin put Putin in Putin,
The one for Putin is Putin DAC.

[Andrey VOV]

Who about, eat, and lousy about the bath ... An American plane will fall, is it Biden's clique to blame ??

[Clear]

Quote: Andrey VOV

Will an American plane crash, is it Biden's clique to blame ??

But they didn't guess. Here, too, Putin will be to blame, Potamushta:
... Putin is more likely to blame,
... we have no proof that Russia is not to blame,
... we have evidence that Russia is to blame, but we will not show them to you, they are secret,
... everyone understands that Russia is to blame,
... well, there is no one else ...

[DominickS]

There is nothing conspiracy in these cases. Banal razvizdyaystvo, as we, alas, often happens.

[tol100v]

One word asks to say: Bastard, you are the Bastard!

[Azimuth]

Quote: Object.F7

The first lost Su-35 in 10 years in service.

Maybe that's just the point ...
It was the Soviet military-industrial complex that had personnel, provided quality, and our already "independent" Russian one, anyway, will be weaker. After all, a lot of personnel are confused, in the military-industrial complex there is a dominance of managers, so it is quite possible that even though the Su-35 and the development of the line from the T-10 / Su-27, the "development workers" may no longer be the same level, here you have a period of 10 years and dump, while the older and shaken up Su-27s are still flying.

[mmaxx]

Don't make up nonsense. Now the quality is better.
And if the plane is shaken up, then at the factory. And there they take everything apart. Overhaul is the restoration of a resource.
Although the Komsomolsk plant has always been distinguished by a creative approach to quality. But then the plane did not crash at the factory.

[Siberianwolf]

Dzemgi is just the KNAAZ factory airfield. Together with the RF Air Force.

[mmaxx]

It is not clear from the message whose plane is. I thought so BBC.
And hitting planes at KNAAZ is some kind of tradition. Every few years is a must. Although the qualifications of factory pilots with the Air Force are incomparable.

[EvilLion]

But the Russian-built aircraft are much safer and more reliable. But you go further and higher.

[rocket757]

The pilot was not injured, well, and then let the specialists understand ... the technique is complicated, it happens.

[Ruslan Sulima]

Good luck to the flyer!
Fear is different ..
I can't even compare the explosion at Zasyadko and the battle in Ilovaisk

[Puskarinkis]

Yes, interesting news ... I can admit the ignorance of journalists in the aviation issue, but it's somehow strange that the failure of one of the two engines forces the pilot to leave the plane, which then flies a considerable distance before falling! A hasty statement of reasons? Was the decision to leave the car made by the pilot or was there an order? It's good that the pilot is alive and will be able to tell about what happened!

[bober1982]

Quote: puskarinkis

I can admit the ignorance of journalists in the aviation issue

Well said and, there is nothing to add.

[dzvero]

At air forums they write that the pilot reported a fire and received an order to eject. And the car did not fall immediately, hence the oddities with the distance to the place of the fall. It's good that everything worked out.

[alexmach]

I can admit the ignorance of journalists on the issue of aviation, but it's somehow strange that the failure of one of the two engines forces the pilot to leave the plane

And what have the journalists to do with it? It’s not they who voice the reason. It’s not entirely within their competence. What the officials said to them is what they write.

[Sergey Valov]

Something too much he flew in 4 minutes.

[Vitaly Petrov_3]

So these are still words, words ..

[tralflot1832]

And now the interesting thing, 4 SU 35 C, of ​​this regiment are based in Yuzhno Sakhalinsk, and if it flew from there, then everything grows together if it fell into the Tatar Strait.

[Misha_an26]

He has 2 of them, the engine. Two refused at once?
Wangyu or birds or fuel
I remember there was a case when those who decided to save money painted the barrels with fuel from the inside with ordinary paint ...
If you believe the wiki, then a billion rubles fell, it's very regrettable, but it's good that the pilot is alive. They forgot something when the An-124 crashed on takeoff in Irkutsk-2. So in a row, all 4 stood up, and how many were ditched not American "rubles", and People. Everything is still covered in darkness. They dumped on D-18, then on something else. Transport rumor (to which I belong) speaks of fuel crystallization (absence of liquid I).

[mmaxx]

The fuel was good.
Shortly before this, the factory Tu-134 with its superiors sneezed in the air for this reason. Such an order was put in place for the fuel that ... They just did not shoot.

[EvilLion]

On the An-124, the motors are initially semi-defective, perhaps that's why they prefer not to be used in the Air Force.

[DenVB]

Here, I remember, there was recently an article that we do not need single-engine fighters. He has only one engine. Refused - and the plane fell. And at sea. So it was written in the article.

And here is a twin-engine one. And it didn't help. Apparently, the secret of the plane not falling into the sea is some other.

[bober1982]

Quote: DenVB

Apparently, the secret of the plane not falling into the sea is some other.

We fell, we fall and we will fall, that's the whole secret.

[DenVB]

Quote: bober1982

We fell, we fall and we will fall, that's the whole secret.

This is clear. But then it turns out that single-engine ones are more profitable. They fall the same, but they are cheaper.

[bober1982]

Quote: DenVB

then it turns out that single-engine ones are more profitable. They fall the same, but they are cheaper.

So after all, we do not have them, there are no statistics of falls yet.

[DenVB]

Quote: bober1982

So after all, we do not have them, there are no statistics of falls yet.

They used to be. You can compare the statistics for those.

By the way, I found that article. Not so recently it came out, but nevertheless, here: https://topwar.ru/157576-odin-dvigatel-horosho-no-ne-luchshe-i-dazhe-ne-glavnee.html

[EvilLion]

F-15, falling at times less often F-16 looks with bewilderment.

[EvilLion]

So far, nothing is clear at all here, and they already write above that there is infa, that the pilot reported a fire.

[Pavel57]

And here is a twin-engine one. And it didn't help. Apparently, the secret of the plane not falling into the sea is some other.
The second engine increases reliability and survivability only slightly.

[URAL72]

You think so?

This is the Su-25. I did not find a photo of the F-15 Israel - the picture is the same. Maybe it's not about the car - there was a raccoon sitting in the cockpit. Maybe someone will not like the last phrase, but the car flew on for some time. I think if the autopilot was on, I would fly to Alaska. There are 4 Su-35s of this base on Sakhalin, maybe I flew there. And he could have fallen on the island. No, the commission needs to be set on a serious one.

[reserve]

When was the last time a 2-engine fighter landed safely? Rook lost the floor of his backside and sat down, I saw the video. And recently, failure and twin-engine crashes. The same su 57 first second serial. It seems to me that the concept has disappeared. 2 dvigla and crash. Then put 1 already. the result is the same but cheaper. Chekmat smokes on the sidelines

[sabakina]

Quote: rezerv

When was the last time a 2-engine fighter landed safely?

It was recently, it was long ago. (c) Song.

[K-36]

rezerv (Dmitry) to your question /When was the last time a 2-engine fighter landed safely? / I can cite two examples that I witnessed. I posted one of them here on VO on June 4, 2015. Copying from the archive:
"So, preparations for the May 9 Parade. Alabino. Test run of all aviation involved in this event. Su-34 took place inside the "Combat wing" figure
(this is when 7-10 aircraft are pressed against each other as much as possible in order to "shoe" the enemy radar operators, pretending to be one large low-speed target. Then, at the right time, scatter one by one and start performing an individual combat mission) yes. When approaching the control point (where the high evaluating authorities are below), the Su-34 catches two geese in the forehead (these are birds that like to return from hot countries to their beloved Russia wink in the spring). One bird breaks through the glazing of the navigator's lantern (which is located in the same cockpit with the crew commander to the right of him), and the second - into the right engine. In the cockpit, the noise of rushing air, feathers, a stench and a blood-stained navigator. And the right engine ... got up winked
So the crew didn’t go out of order, the group received a “credit!”, And after that the Su-34 on one engine returned to its airfield (and this is 450 km south of Alabino) ".
Case 2. When returning from America a couple of Kharchevsky - Karabasov, Zhora Karabasov got one engine. At my airfield, he landed safely on one engine.
And at the end of the topic, not so much for you personally ), but rather for all those who are still trying to bluster the "twin-engine - single-engine" dilemma. To begin with, I will tell you the "Punchinelle's secret" that all twin-engine models in the Test Programs are compulsorily tested for aerobatics and landing with one engine... So there were no less than a hundred such landings (considering the entire line of Air Force aircraft). Moreover, according to the results of these flights, test pilots of various design bureaus just write a section on aerobatics and landing with one engine running in the Airplane Flight Manual! You can find more details on the website of the Hero of Russia Alexander Garnanv (with whom I spoke in a rather friendly tone and even accidentally found a black and white photograph in my photo album, in which we are both imprinted).
Then

[EvilLion]

Engines will not save in the event of an EDSU failure or critical damage to the hull, but even if landing with one engine is difficult, then somewhere over the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, or Syrian pregnant pensioners, you will pull to the safe zone to the last, in the latter case, also squeezing a grenade from the kit self-defense.

[reserve]

It also collapsed last year. But not su-35. They cannot find it in the Black Sea. A shame. I was at the storage base where the battalion commander was a major. Which is weird. He was 155 cm tall and when he entered the room there was no reaction to him) We did not have it, but we were sent to the unit. He swore as best he could and said how the war would begin only with the monuments to remove tanks) Maybe in the USA they will give my comment, but do not forget about YARS. By the way, YARS was originally made like Poplar in the Yarsk region. Muscovites changed YARS. You know how it stands. Just think in the Yarsky district of Votkinsk doing. The manufacturer is spreading rot and the abbreviation has been adjusted to fit politicians. I would have started a riot. There they made poplars and yars were altered by Muscovites, opposed politicians and managers. It's like in Votkinsk, neighboring VODKA, to remake like Vovsky Vanguard Da Kalich Anglo-Saxons

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

What is this set of words?

[minus]

Saturday is a day off. Maybe a man celebrates the day of the naval doctor of the Russian Navy. So thoughts got confused)))) And you immediately minus ... Understand and forgive))))

[Ryaruav]

Yes, it's not about the dviguns, it's rather the refusal of the asu

[s1ma]

An aircraft with a failed one engine (provided that there are two or more of them) is able to perform a combat mission, let alone reach the point of departure, especially 4 minutes, or two engines immediately went out, or the flight director decided not to risk it and gave the command to leave cars!!!

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Let's not build versions for now, we need to wait for more information. It is clear that the version of the engine failure is an excuse on duty that the journalists grabbed. The real reason is different.

[reserve]

It would have fallen 6 anyway. Imagine the data that with 1 was planted. Liners do it every year
And when did 2 motor smog? The last video is a rook with an ass demolished. And he came back and sat down. And here is a complete failure. Put 3 dvigla or 12, Fall. Again f-16 and checkmate laugh at you

[EvilLion]

The B747 is certified to continue flying in the event of one out of 4 engine failure.

[zenion]

He served in a unit where there were about 30 aircraft. For three years there were no accidents, and they flew very often.

[akarfoxhound]

In almost all air regiments there were 36 planes (12 planes per ae), they flew everywhere very often and in EACH regiment, and even now there is no year after year. The main difference is that now journalists are constantly leaking everything, almost online, and people love to play for it

[zenion]

So the fact is that I served and I know what happened. The fact is that in the 60s, not someone was selected to work with aviation, but taught in schools for a whole year, starting from long-distance communications, ending with long-range drives, short-range drives and flight controllers. The pilots trusted us and came to work cheerful and finished work in a cheerful spirit. That the soldier, that the pilot, the officer were like friends to each other. We can say the load was mutual, they trusted us and we tried.

[Loh]

[quoteAccording to the information available at the moment, the fighter performed a planned flight, taking off from the Dzemgi airfield in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. Four minutes after takeoff, the aircraft engine failed, the pilot managed to eject.
The fighter itself, according to preliminary data, fell in the waters of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.] [/ Quote]

Interesting. At a speed of 900k / h in 4 minutes, the Su-35 flies 60 km, and to the Tatar Strait in a straight line 240 km. The question is, how did the plane end up in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk? Maybe he flew like the MiG-23 to Germany in the USSR?

[Borisych]

The pilot is alive, the rest will be told by the media. Fairy tales.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Spit on iron. The main thing is that the pilot is intact.

[zwlad]

The main thing is the pilot is alive. The plane will be rebuilt.
The question arose. Is the remaining engine not enough to land?

[akarfoxhound]

Who writes this? What nafig water area of ​​the Sea of ​​Okhotsk? Where is Dzemgi and where is the sea? Fighter 4 minutes after takeoff with the first space speed to the east combed? Teach geography with physics, "writers"!

[Mouse]

Everyone knows everything ... how to heal, how to teach ... and how to manage the state ... were sitting in the booth ???

[Terenin]

Quote: Mouse

Everyone knows everything ... how to heal, how to teach ... and how to manage the state ... were sitting in the booth ???

What a pity that everyone who knows how to run the state already works as taxi drivers or hairdressers.

[Bez 310]

A lot of incomprehensible in the primary messages - takeoff from Dzemga,
or takeoff from the South, but the plane from the regiment from Dzemga, it's good that
the pilot is all right. And if everything is fine with the pilot, then
you can ask a question that haunts me - why
the plane crashed near Smirnykh? Some kind of "confusion" ...

[ermak124.0]

how much nonsense I just read ... awful.

[Bez 310]

Quote: ermak124.0

how much nonsense I just read

FASTEN!

[reserve]

When was the last time a twin-engine fighter was able to land with 1 failed? In my memory, none. Why such a concept. If 2 motors must be reliable twice. From the last videos, the rook only flew with a broken backside. Su 57 serial fell. Then the mattress covers are better than 1. One horseradish if out of 2 one will refuse the loss with us. Chekmat laughs off to the side. my own but not for myself

[Dkuznecov]

Of course, 2 billion is a pity.
A dozen turnkey kindergartens can be built,
specifically in real prices, I checked with the developers.

On the other hand, this is the only way to reveal
systemic problems, this is life.
And the chicken tail on the airplane is ugly.
All the time the look is repulsive.

[Clear]

Quote: DKuznecov

Of course, 2 billion is a pity.
A dozen turnkey kindergartens can be built,
specifically in real prices, I checked with the developers.

.

Incorrect comparison "billions have fallen ..."
First, maintaining its own army has never been a profitable business if it is not engaged in outright plunder, like the American one.
Secondly, there are thousands of highly skilled blue-collar occupations.
And thirdly, I remember when we did not invest in the army and there were no kindergartens.

[Dkuznecov]

"Incorrect comparison" billions have fallen ... ""
Correct. Rubles to rubles, let the people understand
what is two billion if you lose them.
"And the city thought - teachings are underway."

"Firstly, maintaining your army has never been a profitable business,
unless she's outright robbery like the American one. "

I do not mind, but it is necessary to "beat off" the costs. Trade in arms, for example.
Traded. Now we are not trading, I will not give the calculations of defense export,
they are on the Internet.

"Secondly, there are thousands of highly skilled blue-collar occupations."
I will not argue. I work with this contingent every day.
A stratum of young people appeared, after the dead generation of the seventies,
where am i from. We pasture from the fourth - fifth year of Bauman studies,
and grab it by release.

"And thirdly, I remember when we did not invest in the army and we did not have kindergartens."
It was a short time. The country was lying around, it got IMF loans.

My message is that the construction of kindergartens (the nursery is no longer there) and schools
is late, as in civilian,
and in the military sector.
Apartments are scattered on mortgages
like pies, which cannot be said
about the related infrastructure.
Not generated or delayed.
Thank you.
Kuznetsov.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: DKuznecov

It was a short time. The country was lying around, it got IMF loans.

Do not remember! Because the question immediately arises - was it not the enemy who attacked the country, whose house for 11 billion was built in Yekaterinburg?
We saw a time when money from the budget went to defense, but kindergartens, hospitals and schools were also built. Samples right in front of the house ...

[Clear]

Quote: DKuznecov

My message is that the construction of kindergartens (the nursery is no longer there) and schools
is late, as in civilian,
and in the military sector.
Apartments are scattered on mortgages
like pies, which cannot be said
about the related infrastructure.
Not generated or delayed.
Thank you.
Kuznetsov.

Dima, in this you are right, but what does the army have to do with it?

[Dkuznecov]

"And thirdly, I remember when we did not invest in the army and we did not have kindergartens."
Now we are investing. But there is an imbalance.
I dragged three of my boys to three different kindergartens, it's kind of a nightmare.
Exactly in three different directions.
And in my area after 15 years
nothing has changed for the better.
Huge buildings have just been added.

There are no complaints about the army. Questions to the authorities admitting
distortions in infrastructure projects.

So consider it - it just boiled.
Maybe someone has a similar opinion, I admit it.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: DKuznecov

Of course, 2 billion is a pity.
A dozen turnkey kindergartens can be built,
specifically in real prices, I checked with the developers

This is not a case of those developers who have raised housing prices by half in 5 years?

[iouris]

When everything was fine, for an hour (or something like that), a laboratory plane took off from Lyubertsy with the specialists on duty at the ERAT Research Institute, who became members of the commission to investigate the causes.
I mean that there was information that the investigation was being carried out by the forces of the military district. This is a little bit different.

[egsp]

I propose to remove the wording "2 engines are more reliable than one", otherwise what's the point, over the past 10 years, 2-engine aircraft have been constantly falling.
It turns out that the plane is not more reliable, but if the pilot's eggs are more metal ...

[El Chuvachino]

And we have a lot of single-engine aircraft? Where are the guarantees that single-engine ones would not fall more often?

[egsp]

You can of course argue, but every article on our favorite resource had the line "2-engine aircraft is more reliable than 1 engine", well, how would it be? All aircraft that have crashed in the last 10 years are all 2-engine. Of course, I am a patriot of my homeland, but something does not add up. Either the 2-propulsion system does not work if one engine fails, or the pilot was not trained in the procedure for flying on one engine.

[egsp]

Well, answer the professionals, otherwise I, as an air defense officer, somehow feel uncomfortable.

[egsp]

it turns out that the young boy, seeing that the engine caught fire, ejected, did not save the plane, did not become a hero, and everything is fine? that is, soon, the young pilots of our aerospace forces will destroy all the materiel under the slogan "Well, it didn't work out?"

[Sands Careers General]

Only those who do not fly do not fall. The fact that the pilot is alive and well is good

[bihola]

I failed, if it turns out with someone's help it happened. with two engines?

[Andrey Mansurov]

Yes, two engines at once? Did the pilot eject immediately? And what was the height?

[Oleg Salov]

If two failed at once, then fuel.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Oleg Salov

If two failed at once, then fuel.

Or maybe butter? Well, or the ignition system, maybe the distributor struck ...

[Sergey Valov]

Or electrical equipment.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Sergey Valov

Or electrical equipment.

So I say the armored conduit shorted out to the candle. and broads.

[sabakina]

Quote: Fitter65

Quote: Oleg Salov

If two failed at once, then fuel.

Or maybe butter? Well, or the ignition system, maybe the distributor struck...

More like an ignition coil. I had this on GAZ-31029 ...

[Fitter65]

Quote: sabakina

More like an ignition coil. I had this on GAZ-31029 ...

Also, as an option, the GAZ-31029 is no longer produced and the combustion coils remain. here to see and shove them wherever possible.

[Fitter65]

taking off from the Dzemgi airfield in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. Four minutes after takeoff, the plane's engine failed ... the fighter, according to preliminary data, fell in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk

Of course, I am still that geographer, but with all my desire, even afterburner in 4 (four) minutes from Komsomolsk-on-Amur to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk cannot be reached. Moreover, according to other sources, he fell 50 km from the village of Smirnykh, on Sakhalin. But again in 4 minutes, there is no way to get there from Dzemog. Maybe it's just an airplane based on Dzemgah, taking off from the Smirnykh airfield, fell 4 minutes after takeoff, then everything converges.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

***
"We sing a song to the madness of the brave! .."
***

[Ross xnumx]

As our deputy head used to say:
"The main thing is that people are alive, and the country is full of iron!"
It's not a mistake that he does not do anything.
Let not in an adult way, but:

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[iouris]

This is not a "nuisance", it is a sign of a major problem.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: iouris

This is not a "nuisance", it is a sign of a major problem.

In light of various unexpected incidents, I will not deny the presence of deliberate sabotage actions.

[iouris]

Well, you bent! But in the wrong direction.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: iouris

Well, you bent! But in the wrong direction.

Why bend there? On the spacecraft, the sensors were set upside down and "tryndets"! Who will give us a guarantee that before the flight, someone's calloused little hands did not play around there (even through an oversight, even out of stupidity, even through a misunderstanding). The secret documentation goes to the enemies, and then there is such an opportunity to pour a bucket of tar after MAKS-2021 - look at this vaunted Russian technology.
It cannot be denied because of ignorance. Better to overlook than ...
Like in the classics:

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[iouris]

Did the spy unscrew the lock nut?
The terror machine is easy to start. It is difficult to stop.

[Dikson]

Either the pilot left the car in flight, or in the article - a journalist's mistake .. And all the talk about how good it is, "that the pilot is alive, and God is with him" - sabotage and hostile propaganda .. Divorced in the army of liberals. . "Quiet hour at the soldier's", homemade pies from the "committee of soldiers' mothers", human rights activists and lawyers .. Ragging and window dressing, as in the army, has not gone anywhere .. Sorry for the car .. and the flyer - not very good .. Fuck he will now be allowed to fly .. - he will trample the corridors until he retires ..

[Tiratori]

There are no pilots trampling the corridors until retirement now ... and there have never been. Read the cases in which the crew is obliged to leave the aircraft - one of the points - at the command of the RP !!!

[Igor Vorobyov]

Reb pinsods included

[Azimuth]

Quote: mmaxx

Don't make up nonsense. Now the quality is better.

He assumed, and did not make up or rave. I myself have encountered the quality of our armored vehicles, most often they suck compared to Soviet ones, and if compared with Eastern European ones, then they are generally below par.

Quote: mmaxx

And if the plane is shaken up, then at the factory. And there they take everything apart. Overhaul is the restoration of a resource.

ARZ is not a manufacturing plant...

Quote: mmaxx

Although the Komsomolsk plant has always been distinguished by its creative approach to quality.

Hm, you contradict yourself. Or is it just me who noticed?

[iouris]

Overhaul is the production of equipment products from components that have a significant service life and (or) operating time.

[mmaxx]

Major repairs of these aircraft are carried out by the manufacturing plant.

[V means B]

Here you have two engines

[ermak124.0]

Quote: rezerv

When was the last time a twin-engine fighter was able to land with 1 failed? In my memory, none. Why such a concept. If 2 motors must be reliable twice. From the last videos, the rook only flew with a broken backside. Su 57 serial fell. Then the mattress covers are better than 1. One horseradish if out of 2 one will refuse the loss with us. Chekmat laughs off to the side. my own but not for myself

Another one came up... Oh, Lord....

[wow]

If both engines “cut off”, then this is due to fuel. more likely .

[iouris]

Let's wait for the results of the investigation (if one is carried out).

[mmaxx]

Here's some information from the web:
"Unofficial online sources report curious details of the loss on July 31 of a Su-35S fighter from the 23rd Fighter Aviation Regiment from the Dzemgi airfield (Komsomolsk-on-Amur), which crashed on Sakhalin. According to unofficial data, the cause of the crash of the Su-35S fighter in the Khabarovsk Territory was a combination of factors. The fighter itself was prepared for flights as usual and in good working order. At the same time, as reported, the system for “shooting heat traps” was in automatic mode and was activated as a result of powerful radiation from the radar of the Dzemgi airfield, above which the Su- 35C. The flights were carried out in low light conditions. The first cartridge was fired downwards and ricocheted off the runway, enhancing the visual effect and creating the illusion of a fire for the flight director, after which he gave the command to eject. The pilot carried out the command above the runway, and the plane went into the flight with the fired chassis It is reported that the fighter eventually gained an altitude of 13 km and “flyed” uncontrollably for more than an hour before running out of fuel.

Source: https://rusnext.ru/news/1628077104244235"

Rumors, but... Knowing our valiant warriors...
I would like to ask: what could RP drink? How did the trap shoot down in this way? The same can never happen, because it can never happen. Who knows: maybe the Su-35 was equipped with cartridges that fire downwards?
On previous planes everything shot upward.

[mmaxx]

I'll add to myself. On the latest aircraft, containers for IR traps have been added. There are now those who shoot downwards.

[The point]

https://www.dvnovosti.ru/khab/2021/08/05/132422/
Fresh clarifications.

[Konnick]

Latest clarifications

Interestingly, I flew for more than an hour without a pilot... and didn’t get shot down, maybe the “friend or foe” system got in the way. And if it was at the Lipetsk Aviation Center, it would have flown to the Kremlin... We could have trained air defense.