Chinese tanks Type 96B sent to Russia to participate in the "Tank Biathlon"

China will take part in the Tank Biathlon, which will be held as part of the Army 2021 Army Games from August 22 to September 4, 2021. The Chinese team has already started delivering equipment to Russia.

According to dambiev.livejournal.com, the Chinese military has already sent a train with tanks Ground Forces of the PLA to Russia. As in previous years, crews on Type 96B tanks will take part in the competition. The reasons why the Chinese military does not involve Type 99 tanks in the competition have not been reported.

If there are no changes with the tanks, then the composition of the crews has undergone changes. Instead of tankers from the 78th Army Group of the Northern Zone of the PLA Combat Command, who took part in the Tank Biathlon from the very beginning, tankmen from the 75th Army Group of the Southern Zone of the PLA Combat Command are going to the competition. What is the reason for the replacement of information is not, it is possible that it was they who won this year in the internal army competitions of the PLA tank crews.

Last year, all Chinese tanks brought to Russia were equipped with additional video cameras to transmit in real time "pictures" of both the shooting and the actions of the crew. This decision was made in connection with the publication in the Chinese press of accusations of "bias" of judges. Whether the Chinese tanks will be equipped with video cameras this year, we will find out after the start of the competition.

For reference: Type 96B is an upgraded version of the main battle tank made in China. Engine power - 1000 HP, power reserve on the highway - up to 600 km with mounted tanks, main caliber - 125 mm (gun ZPT-98, which is an unlicensed copy of 2А46М, with automatic loader).

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

Or is there something wrong with Type 99? Or do the Chinese obscure and hint that the 99th will "tear" all competitors, like Tuzik a heating pad? And they are so honest that they are not allowed to compete. well, something like that. So far, the Chinese have lost ALL biathlons, although they have lightened their "racing" version to the point of losing their practical combat capability. I remember that he had all the feed there in the fans, apparently, there was not enough cooling for the reinforced diesel engine ...

[beeper]

Mountain shooter
Or is there something wrong with Type 99?

Apparently the Chinese "secret" this "advanced tank" of theirs and its real characteristics from the reconnaissance of the "potential enemy" the same arms markets, so "they do not trust 100%" - they keep their ears open, "just about any case"?) "?
Indeed, in contrast to the Soviet-Russian "T-72 (and its" clones "), which has shown itself excellently in all sorts of real battles, the" image "of the Chinese tank" Type 99 "remains, for the most part, an" advertising product "of computer games and Chinese agitprop ?!

[Oleg Kievlyanin]

There are friendly countries, but there are no intelligence services

[Alf]

Quote: Oleg Kievlyanin

There are friendly countries, but there are no intelligence services

I will correct it.
There are friendly countries, but there are no friendly intelligence services.

[mvg]

from the Soviet-Russian "T-72", which proved to be excellent in all kinds of real battles

Remind the ignorant where and what the T-72 of various modifications showed themselves ... Enlighten, so to speak. Well, at least a couple of "battles" where they emerged victorious, not to mention that they won the war. Well, at least some.

[beeper]

And you, aka Mvg, are a "nag"!
I will not "educate" you (I do not have pedagogical talents ), yourself, with such "ardent (shown by you) interest", you will probably figure it out.
It is well known that wars (and even individual battles) cannot be won by tanks alone (even such as the Iranian-Iraqi one, in which units and subunits armed with "seventy-two" were operatively and tactically involved, about a donkey that later defeated the Iraqi army with gold "and numerous T-72s left in good working order, for show blown up by amero-sappers and shot by amerotankists, are not worth discussing, although there were Iraqi hero-tankers then who skillfully fought with the Abrams").
And, I think, having understood the issue deeply enough, you will not deny that in the battles the T-72 (and their "clones") have shown themselves quite adequately (like the T-34, in terms of the general, integral, complex of its combat and technical qualities, and in the absence of information about the combat use of the Chinese "Type 99" in such conditions, this is a comparison as "plus" and "zero", respectively, no matter how "excellent" the "advertising characteristics" of the Chinese armored man were!).
In battle, any tanks burn and explode, even the "best" ones!
Every tanker knows about this.
So, what criteria should be used to approach evaluations, is it impartial on your part and mine ?!
As a Soviet tank officer, I am quite impressed by the T-72, just like the T-64 and T-80.
After all, I started with the T-55 and its sniper (because it hit very accurately, and not like the 115mm "smoothbore" T-62) rifled 100mm D10T2S cannon with a simple TSh2B-32P sight ("rangefinder curve" and "thousandth squares-marks "), the" night light "was, by today's standards, completely primitive, the" tank ballistic computer "was only" in the mind "of the gunner and tank commander.
Therefore, "tank comfort", "high technologies" is not spoiled at all, and our "cramped" low-profile Soviet tanks would NOT be exchanged for any imported "ultramodern target-sheds".
IMHO, I DO NOT impose!

[mvg]

then the Iraqi hero-tankers who skillfully fought with the "Abrams").

It's even a shame to ask a tank officer where the T-72s managed to burn the Abrams ... again, at least a couple. Although there were insane attacks from the Iraqi Guards.
And yes, the Iranian-Iraqi war, in general, was won by the Iranians. Behind them was the last, so to speak, word. It was they who pushed the Iraqis back to the border from which they started. On western tanks, by the way.
The T-55 failed miserably in the Korean and Arab-Israeli wars, the T-62 was about nothing in the Iran-Iraq war, the T-72 showed nothing in 1991 and 2003. Correct if I'm wrong.
There was a good article for the T-34 on VO recently. In general, it is objective.
PS: How can you judge other schools of tank building, if not even the fact that they sat inside Abrams, Leclerc, Leopard, and even did not see them close up.
And please, do not repeat this nonsense for "low-profile" "sheds", etc. If Armata is tested from 2 km into a target of 0.5 m diameter. Even during the Second World War, M-26 Pershing shot Panther at a choice of where to go ... This is the first appearance of Pershing on the battlefield. In the town. At least from the words of an eyewitness. 90 mm gun M-3
And look how the Jews in the competition beat with a rifled L-7 (M-268) that is on the Merkava 2/3.

[beeper]

You and I have different knowledge and views on tank schools, as well as preferences in tanks, Mvg!
And your "limits" of knowledge of the "subject" are now clearly visible to me.
All I wanted to tell you about this, I already wrote in the previous comment!
P.S. Yes, he cut back then that our veteran tankers of the Great Patriotic War like (to the stories of American tankers about the 90mm Pershing cannon) spoke about the accuracy of the 85-mm T-100 cannon, they say, "It's not like the current XNUMXmm, but much more precisely, where you aim, you get there! "
Although we, their heirs, liked the accuracy of our rifled "weave" hits!
And why should I "watch" how the Israelis "beat" the first "Merkavs" from the rifled 105mm, after all, we knew how to shoot accurately from our cannons!
If you, Mvg, of course, did not mean that "beat into the white light, like a pretty penny "?!
So the British L7 is also a very good tank gun and you need to try very hard to miss it!
How can I, a "mechanical" design engineer, tracked vehicle repairman and a Soviet tank officer, can "judge the schools of tank building, if I have not been in Abrams, Leopard (" Leo-2 "?!) and Leclerc, and even not close to them saw"?!
Well, this is your arrogant nonsense, Mvg! I have not read or heard such blatant nonsense for a long time!
What, in your opinion, in order to understand the various schools of tank building, you just have to "sit" in these three (the "schools" that you liked, and the rest are not worth your attention ?!) samples of tanks or "see it up close" ??! So superficial ??! And there is nothing more to study and know ?!
Honestly, before that, reading your other comments on VO, I had a higher opinion of you.

[mvg]

Andrey from Chelyabinsk loves to do cannons and ballistics. With all due respect to what our tankers say. I had enough stories at school, and then YouTube. Grown up, it became a little embarrassing and inconvenient to listen ...
But the kwk 43 of the same 88 caliber shot much more accurately and the armor penetration cannot be compared.
PS: As for the "tank schools", some are made for people, even if people are negroes. Others are for the war. Cheap, technological, life time in battle - less than an hour.
Indicative as T-34/76 and T-IV

[Tamer]

Quote: mvg

T-55 failed miserably the Korean

Typing did not catch the flight of thought, or vice versa?

[Machito]

The Chinese are embarrassed to put up 99 because he will lose. Why do they need anti-advertising?
I don't watch the Olympics, because our athletes have no anthem, no flag, no homeland. I would love to watch Army-21. A wonderful project. The Russians invented their Olympics. Although initially the Olympic Games were a competition between the military of different Greek policies.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Bearded

I don't watch the Olympics, because our athletes have no anthem, no flag, no homeland

Well, in vain. You deprive yourself of pleasure. Ours perform GREAT! What caused the simply bestial hatred of the Naglo-Saxons. And the form that makes up the flag, and the first concert of Tchaikovsky - which everyone has already remembered, and most importantly - medals, a lot, despite any repressions and intrigues, direct forgery by WADA and unauthorized punishment ... The other day the girls were smashing the USA in volleyball ... It's just beautiful !

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Deprive yourself of pleasure

Are you a masochist?

[AUL]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, in vain. You deprive yourself of pleasure.

I don’t know who enjoys it, but I’m ashamed to see how my Motherland is humiliated at this Olympiad. And with the help of our (as it were) athletes. They agreed to act on humiliating, mocking conditions. Without a flag, without a hymn, without - God forbid - any national symbols ... Even "Kalinka" was forbidden to them! And they agree to everything! I wonder if they were obliged to perform in a cage on their knees ("Kin-dza-za"), and even with a naked jo - would they agree?

[tralflot1832]

Do you also go to work with a national anthem and a flag?

[sabakina]

Quote: tralflot1832

Do you also go to work with a national anthem and a flag?

Better with a flag and an anthem to work than with an anthem and a flag in the ground.

[tralflot1832]

You can be an adversary!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

... than without a flag and without an anthem and ... under escort ...)

[Machito]

Quote: tralflot1832

Do you also go to work with a national anthem and a flag?

I served the Motherland under the national anthem and the flag. And he was very proud of it. Risked his life and health. To hell with her life. But life is bad without health. And for our athletes, the main thing is money, and they don't care about their homeland and people. I remember and admire the Belarusian who walked with the Russian Flag through the Olympic Stadium. HUMAN.

[tralflot1832]

The athletes are not to blame, but the officials from the sport, who, as it turned out, do not know how to defend their interests.

[Alf]

Quote: tralflot1832

The athletes are not to blame

That is, athletes do not know in advance what flag-anthem they should perform under?

[tralflot1832]

They are placed in such conditions, you are forbidden to work, you will probably agree to any conditions? WITH THE WHOLE FAMILY!

[Alf]

Quote: tralflot1832

They are placed in such conditions, you are forbidden to work, you will probably agree to any conditions? WITH THE WHOLE FAMILY!

I will look for another job. I'm not afraid to retrain.
And by the way, WHO put them in such conditions? If officials, then why are they still at work? Or the one who changes the shoes in the jump?

[tralflot1832]

Are you aware of the reshuffle among sports officials?

[Alf]

Quote: tralflot1832

Are you aware of the reshuffle among sports officials?

In the course, in the course. And I am also aware that for 20 years now officials have been jumping from place to place, and the results are like a fable. And the phrase constantly sounds - If these are removed, where to get others ...

[Yuriy71]

Suffice it to recall how Kozak apologized to WADA on behalf of Russia !!! After that, I, for example, stopped paying attention to these Igrischas and to the politics of Russia - too! She (politics) is the behavior of a Semi-Colonial country, where a person is set as the Leader with one goal - to inspire the Russians that Russia is a cool country, with its own Geopolitics !!! This has nothing to do with reality !!! The visibility of the "Struggle"!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Don't worry YOU like that. As my medical friend said, "The Olympics are not a competition for athletes, but for doctors.") Somewhere they found doping, but somewhere they did not. That's all the "records". This is without politics. And add more politics and get-madness and a mess.

[Alf]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

but somewhere - no.

Not somewhere they did not find it, but somewhere they did not want to find it. And this "somewhat" changes the matter.

[your1970]

Quote: Yuriy71

She (politics) is the behavior of a Semi-Colonial country, where a person is set as the Leader with one goal - to inspire the Russians that Russia is a cool country, with its own Geopolitics !!!

There was such a J.V. Stalin ...
There was the USSR ..
Once the Americans flew in and bombed the airfield in the Sukhaya River ...
People died, planes burned ...
Apparently the IVS will give a fist on the table - "to demolish West Berlin" or "Forward to Paris" ???
No???
Satisfied with the apology ???
Won Th .....
According to your logic - Was he also the leader of a semi-colonial country?

[Machito]

Quote from AUL

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, in vain. You deprive yourself of pleasure.

I don’t know who enjoys it, but I’m ashamed to see how my Motherland is humiliated at this Olympiad. And with the help of our (as it were) athletes. They agreed to act on humiliating, mocking conditions. Without a flag, without a hymn, without - God forbid - any national symbols ... Even "Kalinka" was forbidden to them! And they agree to everything! I wonder if they were obliged to perform in a cage on their knees ("Kin-dza-za"), and even with a naked jo - would they agree?

They don't care about Kalinka: they are praying to the dollar. Our footballers took silver in 1988, and if not for the crooked leg of Belanov's Golden Boot, they would have taken Gold. That's when I was proud of our athletes.
And our guys, for the same salary .. (C)

[tralflot1832]

The Anglo-Saxons no longer know what to do, fierce anger from the journalist. Today I was sick of the military Olympic sport, saber. The girls are great, the French women were reminded who took Paris too. Quickly in the Bistro. Alisher will have to fork out.

[smart ass]

Now it makes no sense to watch the Olympics

[Machito]

Olympics, Nobel Prize, WHO, etc. etc. Everyone chuckled. No loudly, there is Mr. Lavrov with apologies and regrets.

[donavi49]

96 and 99 are not exported. They have a separate line of export VT tanks and are based on slightly different solutions.

And what difference does Ti96V (a la T-72B3) or Tip99 (a la T-90) or Tip99A1 / 2 (a la new T-90M) lose there.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: donavi49

donavi49

What are the disadvantages of such comments? From the principle of stubbornness?
PS Do not be offended by the poor. I am always attentive to your absolutely apolitical comments.

[carstorm 11]

Well, we don’t ride 90 meters either)

[Flanker692]

I watched last year's biathlon on youtube live. In the middle of the race, the Chinese went first. Those. and they drove, and they fired specifically in that race, quite AT THE LEVEL of ours, definitely not worse. At the next shooting, the Chinese began to smear, ours too. There were such ceramic targets that visually crumbled even if touched by the edge. So, on our next clear miss where the target remained intact, for some reason we were credited with a hit. The commentator said that it was not very noticeable (although it’s very damn noticeable that the crowbar raised the soil in front of the target, but it remained intact) and now we’ll see the replay. The replay was not watched. In the chat broadcast, a portal to hell with the slogans of the judge on the soap was opened. There were no more similar cases with a whole target and a valid hit. Although then the Chinese machine gun jammed and they even had to change the car, so they would have lost that race anyway, but the situation was strange, ambiguous, ugly

[Cottodraton]

So we do not participate in the T-90

[Ross xnumx]

Tank biathlon will be a real biathlon, when the participants will perform on their tanks, which they themselves consider to be the best. Here you will see not only the skill of the crews, but also the quality of the technical characteristics of the equipment.
Everything else (venue, composition, etc.) is an annex to the main thing.

[URAL72]

In tank biathlon, not cars compete, but crews. Because the tanks are equivalent. Imagine if the Peruvians arrive on the T-55 and Mozambique on the T-34. Russia has long been able to exhibit "Breakthrough". Athletes are not tanks - athletes are their crews.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: URAL72

In the tank biathlon, not cars compete, but crews.

I know.

In total, Russia has prepared more than 100 T-72B3 tanks for tank biathlon participants. Combat vehicles were distributed among teams by the usual draw, all teams received four tanks.

Can you tell us for what purpose tank biathlon is held? What is the mission of these crews? Russia is able to send a team to participate in the T-72B3 and measure its strength with the crews that will act on their own tank, the best in their understanding and class. Let it be Russia, China and those countries that have something of their own. Or do we only need to test the technique in battle?
Remember (saw) the movie "Air Adventures" (1965)? There, the participants competed on aircraft of their own design. Everything is fair, everything is fine.
There is no need to organize a competition in shooting with Lepage rifles if you have an M4 or AK-12.
IMHO.

[URAL72]

You are not writing about that. Biathlon is primarily a policy conceived as a sport. Secondly, this is a business, since we have a huge number of T-72s in reserve, and the modernization has practically exhausted itself. We need Breakthrough and Armata, the rest needs to be implemented now, so that in 10 years we won't have to cut into metal. Many countries will use the T-72B3 for another 20-25 years, but not for us.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: URAL72

Many countries will use the T-72B3 for another 20-25 years, but not for us.

For many countries, the T-72B3 may also fit, but will the victory of foreign and Russian crews, "playing in their own field and with their own ball", be equivalent?
Politics, you say. There should not be two approaches here. If the politics in the OI disgusts us, then why should Russia prove the demand for old weapons in such a strange way? justifying his own thirty-year laxity?
It seems to me that the government "Seagull" could also serve, fortunately, it's free. And, if the army is satisfied with the T-72B3, then the leadership should not turn up its nose at the "GAZ-14b3x3 = 9".

A small lie gives rise to great distrust.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: ROSS 42

Let it be Russia, China and those countries that have something of their own

And are there many such countries?
And which of them should come to us? The British? French? Koreans? Maybe the Poles? Or shall we call the Americans?

[Ingvar 72]

Почему нет?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Почему нет?

Why do they need it?

[boris epstein]

Not all of the participating countries produce their own tanks. But the participation of Leopards, Leclercs, Challengers or Abrams would be interesting, but at similar competitions in the West, the program is slightly different.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Boris Epstein

But the participation of Leopards, Leclercs, Challengers or Abrams would be interesting.

This is the trick. Different countries compete in figure skating in the compulsory program, but on their own skates. Why not hold a tank biathlon for everyone according to an agreed compulsory program? Or is this also politics?
And, perhaps, on such a biathlon it will be immediately clear who is "who" and who is just a donut hole. Even declining an invitation will be properly judged. And, already, the victory will bring real points.

[boris epstein]

But the West itself does not want to. Russia invites EVERYONE who wishes.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Boris Epstein

But the West itself does not want to. Russia invites EVERYONE who wishes.

On the T-72B3? Or invited to participate in their units? It's not a problem ... But what a sight. World refereeing. Video broadcast. Speed, shooting accuracy, cross-country ability, driving ... This is a real issue and the EU is not far away.

[boris epstein]

Don't distort my words. I have not said about the T-72B3. This is disrespect for the opponent. There is no limit. Indeed, in tank biathlon, victory is not the only and, I think, not the main goal. To reveal our shortcomings (not only the machines, but also the methods of training crews), to see what other participants can do, in which we are weaker and they are stronger.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Boris Epstein

Don't distort my words.

Why juggle there? What cars are used for tank biathlon? We read:

At the same time, the Belarusian servicemen act on T-72 tanksmodernized at the defense enterprises of the republic, and the Chinese tankers - on tanks Type 96. All other teams participate on T-72B3 tanks Russian production.

So I asked:

Quote: ROSS 42

On the T-72B3?

And you pout like a muslin girl. And you have no restrictions. True, the organizers of the biathlon have them. And they are connected with the offer of participation in Russian technology, when the entire NATO "fights" on its own.
Now about the goals.

Quote: Boris Epstein

Indeed, in tank biathlon, victory is not the only and, I think, not the main goal. Reveal our shortcomings (not only cars, but also the methods of training crews), see what other participants can do, where we are weaker and they are stronger.

Do you think that by organizing a biathlon, the Russian command reveals the disadvantages (advantages) of the T-72B3 or determines the level of training of the crews? And I think that this is an advertisement for a modernized, 70-ies of the last century, production of a tank. Take, they say, dear guests, look how gloriously we defeat everyone on such tanks ...
And the real goal of biathlon should not be "window dressing" or commerce, but the identification of shortcomings in training and performance characteristics of the samples involved. And in this regard, it is more logical and fairer for the participants to compete on their own, considered to be the main, tanks. Only in this way the whole background will become clearly visible: the level of training of the crew and the readiness of the vehicle to perform combat missions.
And all of you are trying to do not understand why. What are you trying to disguise? The naivety and simplicity of the thoughts of the bosses trying to prove that the T-72B3 is not worse than the T-90 or T-14? Then it is appropriate to ask, why create expensive equipment, if there are a lot of similar ones in stockpiles?
I didn’t have to ride the T-72, but I tried the convenience of the BTR-60. Starting from the KPVT charging system and ending with the RR-61 with tachometers for synchronizing the number of engine revolutions. It is especially pleasant when the armored personnel carrier "refuses" to continue moving in winter.
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I will repeat, and my opinion will remain unchanged (from the experience of acquaintance with the models of small arms of a potential enemy). Let the participants (willing) come with their goods and show the results. Then it will become clear at what level the modernization of a Soviet-made tank is and why it is better than modern NATO models. It will become clear whether the truth is being reported to the Supreme Commander, showing biathlon on tanks of the same type, or in this way they are carefully masking the shortcomings of Russian tank building.
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It will be very pleasant when Russian crews on old (albeit modernized T-72B3) make the vaunted Challengers, Altai, Leclerks, Leopards and Abrams. Let there be even the Polish "PL-01". It will be expensive when the Zimbabwean crew on the T-72B3 defeats the arrogant Englishman on the Challenger. This will be an achievement. This will be the result that you need to strive for.
And we have seen enough parade columns and lines ...

[boris epstein]

It’s you who puffed up. Everyone else simply doesn’t produce their own tanks. And in Russia, in addition to the T-72 of all modifications, there are also the T-80 and T-90. It's just that Russia levels the odds. There will be Leopards, Challengers, Leclercs, Abrams, and there will be Armata. That's all.

[mvg]

Speed, shooting accuracy, cross-country ability, driving

Have you watched the recent conflicts? Syria, Karabakh, a little earlier Iraq, Yugi, Donbass, Chechnya, Georgia? Was there a lot of speed, cross-country ability?
Zalepukha this biathlon, nothing to do with real fighting. Moreover, with such refereeing as ours. And the commentators are just fire. I will not forget the joyful squeals when shooting the Reflex.
PS: NATO exercises are completely different. Team actions, defense, attack, car repair (replacement of the engine and tracks), damage control ... Does biathlon have anything like that? Circus for couch masses,

[Grits]

Quote: ROSS 42

Tank biathlon will be a real biathlon, when the participants will compete in their tanks, which they themselves consider to be the best.

That is why NATO competitions are a little funnier and more diverse. Because there, in addition to the crews, equipment also competes - all sorts of Leopards, Abrashi and Lelerki. Recently, non-brothers in Soviet cars pulled themselves up.
Indeed, if the visitors were in their tanks it would be much more spectacular. And so - only the Chinese and Indians once brought their own.

[Vitas]

We are waiting for Armata, who can compete with this type!

[Russ]

Give Armata !!!!

[Grits]

Quote: Russia

Give Armata !!!!

Duc, if only the T-90 was put up for a change.

[Alf]

Quote: Gritsa

Quote: Russia

Give Armata !!!!

Duc, if only the T-90 was put up for a change.

Or the jet T-80.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vitas

We are waiting for Armata, who can compete with this type!

We have been waiting for 6 years. Along the way, arranging the most expensive in the history of the World Cup and the Olympics.
I remember the mantras of the Zaputins - to raise the international rating of Russia. Raised?

As they performed under the faceless flag, they perform.

[URAL72]

Have you ever tried to think with your head? Where did the money "the most expensive in the history of the World Cup and the Olympics" go? They were used to build roads, airports, stadiums, hotels and much more. Where was it built? In Greece? No! In Russia. And it's built for decades. All the foreigners that came, told hundreds of relatives, friends and acquaintances 10 times how famously they had fun in Russia. Do you know that there are much more foreign tourists in Russia after the World Cup? And this is foreign exchange earnings. Stop carrying the bullshit from the anal. By God, I am ashamed that there are such narrow-minded people in Russia.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: URAL72

And it's built for decades.

Where do you get the information from? An irreplaceable system of power (executive, legislative and judicial) was built for decades.
Here's the world championship:

And this is Sochi:

Decades!
The old woman did not suffer for long in high-voltage wires ...

[grindz]

The fly will find shit everywhere!

[Nastia makarova]

stop talking nonsense, in Sochi this is not even close to Olympic construction sites

[mvg]

They were used to build roads, airports, stadiums, hotels and much more.

So what? Expensive stadiums in Nizhny Novgorod and Volgograd are idle without RPL. And in general right now they go to 50 thousand people for 500 people. And the stadiums need to be fed, this is budget money, otherwise they will fall apart .. So are the idle hotels and shopping centers .. You need to turn on your head, and shout at every corner "zaputina" and "how beautiful zhist"
What nah tourists ??? The borders are closed ... and for years to come. Who needs the Russian Federation if there is Italy, the Czech Republic, France, Ebipet, the United Arab Emirates ... Yes, Belarus in the end ...
PS: You need to have a snack

[URAL72]

Don't freak out. You know, in Soviet times, in my regional center there were 2 city stadiums, not counting the school stadiums, and the school one was enough for me at first. Maybe the fact is that then the Internet was successfully replacing the ball and horizontal bars? There was also a kayak section and go-karting in the city. Shooting gallery. The last three are gone. Look around - is your son or grandson at the stadium or at the computer now? Stadiums are built for the number of residents, but if residents do not want to go in for sports, but want to eat popcorn and gorge themselves on a computer and TV, then this is not the government, this is how we brought up. My son went to the pool, track and field athletics and sambo. Now - wife, work. And yours, did you see the stadium? It's good that they built - even these 500 people deserve a good stadium, because they are, in fact, our last hope against the background of millions of juvenile gambling and drug addicts.

And there will be tourists. The pandemic will not last forever. Why is Rasha Today banned in the US and even on YouTube? Because Russia's influence is growing, and the Olympics have played a role.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: URAL72

They were used to build roads, airports, stadiums, hotels and much more.

You yourself would try to think with your own head, and ask what is happening with this infrastructure. Sadness.
And before talking about the increased flow of tourists, first check the information.

Quote: URAL72

By God, I'm ashamed that there are such narrow-minded people in Russia.

Unfortunately for you, we are in the majority. Blow where it is best. Where your government buys real estate for wives.

[Adimius38]

Yes, they raised the rating .... Just recently I read in a foreign chat how foreigners make fun of the fact that Russia does not have a flag at the Olympics. Vote further for these comrades, otherwise it will be.

[Eragon]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Vitas

We are waiting for Armata, who can compete with this type!

We have been waiting for 6 years. Along the way, arranging the most expensive in the history of the World Cup and the Olympics.
I remember the mantras of the Zaputins - to raise the international rating of Russia. Raised?

As they performed under the faceless flag, they perform.

The eternal problem of ensuring the force of law by the right of force. Of course, Russian tanks on the doorstep of the IOC office and on the lawn in front of the White House would raise Russia's rating much higher. In the meantime, as the non-brothers say, sho may be - then may (what we have is what we have).

[Vadim237]

There is a flag - it is on the form if you didn’t see it, and yes, our non-participation in the Olympic Games was only for the rivals, plus they most likely hoped for it, but they broke off - and to turn his tail between his legs and not to perform is a finished strategy of weaklings.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Vadim237

and keeping your tail between your legs and not going out is the ultimate strategy of weaklings.

Where were you taught strategies, what do you think is all the same how and in what, but only at the table? And the Russian anthem is printed in small text on the form? Don't stop, tell us how many more countries, like Russia, took part in several Olympics in a row without state paraphernalia ...
It was there in the government that their tails were between their legs and allowed this orgy to grow to the level of international disgrace. Courage must have been present when the implicated were caught for the "testicles" and when the innocent were removed. It was necessary to get rid of the soiled uniforms once and for all, and not to babble unrelated speeches.
Heroes of everyday life. Have you decided that the flag over the Reichstag should be in the form of a tricolor?
Weaklings are those who lack seconds, centimeters, whose sticks break and the rifle does not fire, whose boots slip and skates do not go. And the rest are professionals and fans of their business, every hour and every day they polish their results and achieve victory.

[Vadim237]

Stop writing nonsense.

[Gennady Bogdanov]

Soon all flags and stars will be removed from ships and planes, everyone already knows that they are Russians! Lived, damn it!

[Jacket in stock]

The reasons why the Chinese military does not involve Type 99 tanks in the competition are not reported.

the owner is the master.
They brought what they wanted.
Let's also tell fortunes, why are ours performing on old T72, because there are T80 and T90.

[Grits]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Let's also tell fortunes, why are ours performing on old T72, because there are T80 and T90.

I’m also wondering, wondering, but I just can’t understand the obstinacy of our organizers, who stubbornly push the T-72 team to the Russian team. And, frankly, I can't find any logic yet. Imagine, in a real biathlon, one of the biathletes would not use a modern rifle just because everyone else has only a "three-line"

[Konnick]

I just can't understand the obstinacy of our organizers who stubbornly shove the Russian team T-72

And why others, there is a difference only in the elements of protection, more capricious electronics, thermal imagers and so on. Competitions are held during daylight hours and there is no need for improved night vision devices, and there is no excess weight with the same engine power. The transmission is the same. The gas turbine T-80 is not used due to its much smaller quantity and greater power, it could wipe the nose of UVZ with its T-72, but Omsktransmash does not seem to be a priority for the Ministry of Defense. The T-90 is the same T-72, only the modernized ones have an enlarged welded turret with built-in protection elements like the T-80. And the point is how to use in cross-country racing not the basic model of the car, but with all sorts of options such as foglights, air conditioning and a shiny body kit that do not affect the speed.

[Grits]

Quote: Konnick

And why others, there is a difference only in the elements of protection, more capricious electronics, thermal imagers and so on. Competitions are held during daylight hours and there is no need for improved night vision devices, and there is no excess weight with the same engine power. The transmission is the same.

Well then why use the T-72. After all, is it possible to drive the PT-76?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Gritsa

Imagine, in a real biathlon, one of the biathletes would not use a modern rifle just because everyone else has only a "three-line"

But this is just very possible to imagine. This is the meaning of the competition, the initial conditions for everyone should be the same.
It would be strange, on the contrary, everyone is on bicycles, and one of the smartest is on a motorcycle.

[pyagomail.com]

It would be interesting if, albeit out of competition, ours performed on the T-90 and T-80.

[Yuriy71]

"... the composition of the crews has undergone changes. Instead of the tankers of the 78th Army Group of the Northern Zone of the PLA Combat Command, who took part in the Tank Biathlon from the very beginning, tankmen of the 75th Army Group of the Southern Zone of the PLA Combat Command are going to the competition." .. ". Everything is simple - the "soldiers" of the "Northern Zone" are already familiar with the characteristic features of the conduct of battle by Russian Tankmen! Now we need to "train" the Chinese military from the "South Zone" !!! Only the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not understand that IT Teaches potential enemies and invaders! ))))

[URAL72]

Bullshit. Combat tactics are not practiced in biathlon. But we regularly conduct exercises with the Chinese, yes, there is a lot to learn.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: URAL72

Combat tactics are not practiced in biathlon

And what is it then ???

[Yuriy71]

Thank you! And for these Specialists, who put disadvantages, I would like to add your question !!! PS here one "Comrade" complained about me some time ago, despite the fact that I answered him in his style - I got another warning! , albeit a lovable, site !!! It all depends on the psyche of the commentator! For example, it never occurred to me to even complain about him! And he, such a bad person, made a complaint !!! Although myself, I spoke here in rude !!! It says about this site - "Step to the left, step to the right - Shooting! It means that they like people who are not thinking, but the" kindergarten "engaged in Shapkozakidatelstvom and Shashkomakhatelstvo !!! It's sad! All my comments (a couple of years ago) about India, for which they blocked me, were confirmed !!! On this topic, there were even articles. Gazprom and, indirectly, Putin support, and then - publicly surprised (to the public) !!!. Interestingly "Girls are dancing" !!!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Yuriy71

And he, such a bad person, made a complaint !!! Although myself, I spoke here in rude !!!

There was one here, the bighead Jack, he is a manul cat - he used to bring people to emotions. And then he knocked on them to admins. Petty cohort.

[rocket757]

The event is interesting, spectacular ...
Something else to focus on ... probably you can, and so, the show must go on.

[123456789]

Quote: rocket757

The event is interesting, spectacular ...

But the bread is somehow not very good

[123456789]

Sound familiar?

[Ingvar 72]

Yes, today I drove in for fodder for the chickens kept by my mother - corn 20 tons per ton, barley 16 tons per ton. Fodder prices rise at least 30%.

[Alf]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Yes, today I drove in for fodder for the chickens kept by my mother - corn 20 tons per ton, barley 16 tons per ton. Fodder prices rise at least 30%.

"World prices are to blame for the rise in prices."

[Konnick]

"World prices are to blame for the rise in prices."

Yes, but for some reason the world prices are not to blame for our salaries. Since January 2021, prices for rolled metal products, domestic, have more than doubled, but the workers of metallurgical plants did not feel this on their wages, the strange laws of the local economy ...

[Alf]

Quote: Konnick

Yes, but for some reason the world prices are not to blame for our salaries.

"Don't confuse your coat with the state one."

[kytx]

Quote: Yuriy71

"... the composition of the crews has undergone changes. Instead of the tankers of the 78th Army Group of the Northern Zone of the PLA Combat Command, who took part in the Tank Biathlon from the very beginning, tankmen of the 75th Army Group of the Southern Zone of the PLA Combat Command are going to the competition." .. ". Everything is simple - the "soldiers" of the "Northern Zone" are already familiar with the characteristic features of the conduct of battle by Russian Tankmen! Now we need to "train" the Chinese military from the "South Zone" !!! Only the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not understand that IT Teaches potential enemies and invaders! ))))

Oh my God! what nonsense!

[TatarinSSSR]

Yes, everything is simple, they do not want to shine their new tank, they believe that its real characteristics and equipment must be kept secret.

[Vadim237]

They have kept its characteristics secret for 15 years, when everything in the world has long been revealed. And it's a no brainer that this is a hybrid of the T 72B with a Chinese canopy.

[boris epstein]

"Instead of the tankers of the 78th Army Group of the Northern Zone of the PLA Combat Command, who took part in the Tank Biathlon from the very beginning, tankers of the 75th Army Group of the Southern Zone of the PLA Combat Command are going to the competition.
It's just that the Chinese want to pump as many of their soldiers and officers of different groups of troops through the tank biathlon as possible.

[tralflot1832]

Anyone from NATO would have dared, for their money? At least retirees !!!

[Alf]

Quote: tralflot1832

Anyone from NATO would have dared, for their money? At least retirees !!!

An 87-year-old grandfather on a Panther without caterpillars would come ...

[2021 Baku]

Either All participants on the same tanks (not only in terms of the model, but also in terms of the configuration and engine power), or do not participate at all!
In my opinion, otherwise it is not fair.

[Alf]

Quote: Baku 2021

Either All participants on the same tanks (not only in terms of the model, but also in terms of the configuration and engine power), or do not participate at all!
In my opinion, otherwise it is not fair.

Tell this to the organizers and participants of Formula 1 or Paris-Dakkar.

[agoran]

EMNIP, both Germans and French were invited to the tank biathlon, there was no answer.
How competitions are held in NATO is their problem.
The categories of the competition are voiced by the host.
Do not like? Flag in hand and bugle in the window.

[Sands Careers General]

I hope the skating rinks won't fall off?)))

[TANKISTONE]

Mountain shooter (Eugene)
Or is there something wrong with Type 99? Or do the Chinese obscure and hint that the 99th will "tear" all competitors, like Tuzik a heating pad? And they are so honest that they are not allowed to participate in the competition, well, something like that. So far, the Chinese have lost ALL biathlons, although they have lightened their "racing" version to the point of losing their practical combat capability. I remember that he had all the feed there in the fans, apparently, there was not enough cooling for the reinforced diesel engine ...

Eugene, will you also say to the enemy in battle: "It's not fair!"? This is called army savvy. And for Russian crews, technicians, general staff officers - an invaluable experience with a backlog (FOR BUSINESS) for the future. There remains a trifle: do not miss this experience and do not forget, but prepare for the next games (and not only). Health to you and your family and friends! What I wish for the Russian military - employees + prosperity and respect!

[Andrey Mansurov]

So what? I would like to see the T-14. And the Chinese are great. Roll back their own. So what about the T-14? It is forbidden?