The Phantom Threat: Amphibious Problems in Central Asia

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Front-line region


So, Central Asia is again becoming a front-line region, while the forecast is rather unfavorable. The Taliban can have any peaceful intentions towards their neighbors right now. However, rapid population growth in a stagnant economy means a progressive increase in demographic pressure. With a high degree of probability, it will splash out on the neighbors.

Meanwhile, this threat is already leading to the militarization of the region. Border countries are building up their military potential. The problem is that it can be implemented within the region as well. The Tajik-Kyrgyz conflict, which received another continuation in July, became the first "black swan" of its kind.



How big are the threats?

Let me remind you that the reason for the collision was the lack of water. The place is part of the Fergana Valley in the Isfara Valley. Isfara is a "mighty" stream less than 1/7 from the Moskva River. At the same time, about half a million people live in its pool. The result is predictable - the river is completely dismantled for irrigation.

At the same time, the political geography of the basin is quite typical for Fergana. The upper reaches of Isfara belong to Kyrgyzstan. Below is the 35 thousandth Tajik enclave of Vorukh, which is cut off from the main territory by the Kyrgyz village of Aksai.

Regular border conflicts have become a natural result. According to the Tajik side, the first of them occurred in ... 1974, in fact, and gave rise to an eight-kilometer "bridge" that cuts off Vorukh from Tajikistan. The next one, already with two dead, was in 1989. In the post-Soviet period, clashes have become quite regular. By 2014, during the penultimate drought, it came to mortar attacks.

Since 2018, the chain of dry years has begun again in Central Asia. In 2020, water scarcity has taken on rampant proportions. The reason was mainly the delay in the beginning of the melting of glaciers by more than a month.

As a result, seven years later, the situation in 2014 repeated itself in a proportionally more severe form. At the same time, a significant number of victims from the Kyrgyz side was caused by the massive participation of the local Tajik population in the pogroms.

Apocalyptic predictions on the topic of "water hunger" have long become commonplace. In other words, the situation in the Isfara basin is perceived as a kind of model of the situation that may develop in the entire region in the foreseeable future.

How real is this threat?

In the media, it is often presented in a vulgarized form - as a physical shortage of drinking water for a growing population. In reality, in 2011, 91,6% of the water consumed in the region was used for irrigating agricultural land, while the remaining 8,4% was consumed not only by the population, but also by industry. Now the share of "farmers" is lower, but insignificantly.

Roughly the same situation will continue in the future. According to the UN forecast, the population of Central Asia will grow by 2050 million people by 14. That is, slightly more than the growth of the population of Uzbekistan alone in the post-Soviet period (13 million). For the region as a whole, it grew by 33,7 million - in other words, 2,4 times more than expected by the middle of the century.

Thus, the water problem in Central Asia is of decisive importance exclusively for agriculture. However, in his case, it is really critical.

The densely populated part of the region is a completely man-made environment, totally dependent on artificial irrigation. By the end of the Soviet period, the share of irrigated arable land in the region was close to 100%. The latter is not surprising. For example, in Uzbekistan, sown areas in 1992 amounted to 4,75 million hectares against 2,1 million within traditional oases.

In the post-Soviet period, there has been both a reduction in cultivated areas in general and a decrease in the share of irrigated lands. However, in 2011, even in Kyrgyzstan, 75% of the cultivated area was irrigated, in Tajikistan - 85%, in Uzbekistan - 89% (FAO data). In Turkmenistan, the area of ​​irrigated land was larger than the sown area - 102% due to the need to irrigate pastures.

The share of irrigated land in agricultural production is even higher than in the total area - for example, in 2016, only ... 1,5% of products were received on the non-irrigated lands of Uzbekistan.

At the same time, a very remarkable background for the reduction of irrigated areas until recently was ... an increase in the flow of local rivers due to the accelerated melting of glaciers. At the same time, the share of crops of very “moisture-consuming” cotton has sharply decreased.

At first glance, the situation is paradoxical, however, more than explainable - at the second.
There is a "water division of labor" in Central Asia. Sources of water resources are concentrated in the two poorest countries - Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. The main consumers are Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, and the second receives water actually through the first. At the same time, the Tajik part of Fergana, where one third of the republic's population lives, depends on the Kyrgyz runoff. In turn, the north of Kyrgyzstan is "at the mercy" of China, which controls the upper reaches of the Ili.

Accordingly, the problems of “donors” and consumers are fundamentally different. For Kyrgyzstan and the main part of Tajikistan, this is trivial poverty that hinders the development of water supply systems in line with population growth. Or at least support existing ones.

Thus, the shortage of drinking water in the zone of the recent conflict had an obvious context.

“In the Tajik part of the basin, an average of 29,1% of the basin's population is provided with drinking water. Residents use water from ditches and imported water. Pumping stations and water lines are worn out and almost unusable. The situation is similar in the Kyrgyz part of the Isfara basin. Water is supplied only 2-3 hours a day ... In addition, diseases such as typhoid and hepatitis are widespread due to the poor quality of drinking water. "

In turn, the situation in Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Tajik Fergana is a direct derivative of relations with the "water-bearing" neighbors.

For the "donors" of the reservoir on their own territory, it is, first of all, a source of electricity, the maximum consumption of which falls on the winter. As a result, water pours into the empty fields of neighbors, often flooding them. On the contrary, there is not enough water in summer. The donors have no money for the construction of alternatives to hydroelectricity and the purchase of energy resources.

In theory, the problem is completely solvable, but there were problems with the desire to implement this theory for almost three decades. By virtue of geography, Turkmenistan is the last in the water queue and its position in any case would have little effect on anything. As for Uzbekistan, which is key in this case, Islam Karimov left the USSR with huge reserves of "national pride", claims to hegemony in the region and a rapidly manifested pro-Western orientation. As a result, Tajik-Uzbek relations finally returned to normal only in 2017–2018. The position of Karimov's Tashkent in relation to Kyrgyzstan can hardly be described otherwise than as arrogant.

Tajikistan, in turn, simply has nothing to offer Bishkek in exchange for water for "its" Fergana.

The cost of the issue for Uzbekistan turned out to be a decrease in the total water withdrawal from 64 to 51 cubic kilometers per year, while for irrigation almost one and a half times - from 59 to 43 (2017). At the same time, the sown area decreased by 1/6. As it is easy to see, less than 5% of the initial amount - 3 cubic kilometers - was spent on demographic and economic growth itself. At the same time, the population grew by almost 13 million.
One way or another, Shavkat Mirziyoyev, who replaced Karimov, began the settlement of relations with the failed vassals of his predecessor.

Meanwhile, as mentioned above, a series of droughts began in Central Asia in 2018. It remains to be hoped that "transparent hints" will be understood, especially since there are prerequisites for this.

Forecast


What is the future forecast for the region as a whole?

There is a scenario with a 20% decrease in river flow over the next 30 years. However, even the World Bank is less radical, believing that by 2050 the runoff in the Syr Darya basin may decrease by 2-5%, and the Amu Darya - by 10-15%.

At the same time, the value of constructions from climatology to them. Thunberg is highly questionable. Although the Western press has declared the drought to be a consequence of global warming with touching shamelessness, the de facto delay in the melting of glaciers suggests an obvious pause in the process.
Meanwhile, even an apocalyptic scenario does not threaten an inevitable collapse - now from 40% of water in irrigation systems is simply lost, and its reuse in the region is a rare exotic.

However, there are unpleasant nuances in this relatively benign picture.

Firstly, against the middle background there are "excesses" of the Isfara type.

Second, if population growth does not lead to a water collapse, then it will inevitably lead to agrarian overpopulation.

An unpleasant feature of the region is that the growth of demographic pressure is practically not accompanied by accelerated urbanization. At the same time, mainly internal migration is restrained by administrative methods - for example, until very recently, a rigid registration system was in force in Uzbekistan. This saved the same Tashkent from the "Latin American" overgrowth with favelas, but the price of the issue was the aggravation of problems in the countryside.

Actually, from an outside perspective, overpopulation has already reached extreme forms.

On a country scale, Tajikistan is the most problematic. The republic is characterized by the highest rates of population growth in a very problematic situation with sown areas. According to the FAO, between 1991 and 2010, the country's arable area decreased from 860 thousand hectares to 746,9 thousand, while the population grew by almost one and a half times - from 5,4 to 7,56 million. Meanwhile, this happened against the backdrop of a decrease in the share of the urban population from 31,1 to 27,5%.

Over the past ten years, Tajikistan has officially returned to Soviet indicators - thus, plowing has increased by 17%. The population during the same time has grown to almost 9,5 million, by 32%. The share of the “city” has remained practically the same: the proud 44%, which have gone online, is a trivial fake.

Agriculture employs about 45% of the working-age population. At the same time, it is easy to calculate that for each employed person there is about 0,2 hectares of arable land.
By 2050, according to the UN forecast, the population of the republic will grow by one and a half times - up to 14 million. Without a sharp acceleration of urbanization, the prospects are quite transparent.
The noticeably more prosperous neighbors of the republic nevertheless have more than "Tajik" problems of a regional order. Naturally, we are talking about Fergana.

Here, on an area of ​​half of the Moscow region, there is a twice as large population. At the same time, in contrast to the Moscow region, by no means 80% live in cities.

One can get an idea of ​​the scale of land hunger in the Aksakinsky district of the Andijan region - 24,1 people per hectare of arable land. At the same time, 2/3 of the population of the district is rural. In other words, this is about 7 "acres" per person.
The result is predictable. The population of the Kyrgyz part of the valley, which makes up half of the total republican, largely generates chronic maidans. The Uzbek part, in which already a third of the country's population lives, is also not distinguished by loyalty.
At the same time, Fergana's "options" as a generator of interstate conflicts are not limited to gigantic overpopulation.

Formally, there are eight enclaves in the valley, practically more. Thus, the Tajik enclave of Vorukh, which has become a collision zone, in turn cuts off the Leilek region of Kyrgyzstan from the main territory - the construction of a bypass road is a very non-trivial task. At the same time, the borders, which is typical for the Fergana Valley, are controversial. In general, out of 980 km of the Tajik-Kyrgyz border, 504 have been agreed.

At the same time, the notorious water "excesses" are observed along the periphery of the valley.

Conclusions


What are the findings?

First, Tajikistan is the least reliable home front. If the local economy develops in an inertial mode, a political crisis in the republic is sooner or later inevitable. Fergana's "explosion hazard", in turn, is a commonplace.

Meanwhile, Tajikistan and Fergana are geographically connected and potentially represent a single zone of instability with an "outlet" to Afghanistan. At the same time, let me remind you that Tajikistan is the upper reaches of the Amu Darya with all that it implies for Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. In other words, the “domino effect” in the event of destabilization of the republic looks almost inevitable.

However, this is at least a mid-term perspective.

A much closer threat is the escalation of the current Kyrgyz-Tajik conflict. As it is already quite obvious, agrarian overpopulation is a very fertile ground for border disputes. At the same time, official Dushanbe at least follows the instigators' lead, and as a maximum - tries to play hybrid wars on its own.

Meanwhile, Rakhmonov / Rakhmon, who for decades has been practicing the most rabid multi-vector approach, is least of all an example of Moscow's loyal satellite.

In other words, strengthening the Tajik army is necessary, but an imbalance of power between Bishkek and Dushanbe is fraught with escalating conflict.
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  1. +1
    3 August 2021 11: 32
    Conclusions

    What are the findings?
    ... The arbitrator is not invited there, and even more so, they do not want to listen to anyone from the outside!
    From here what conclusion .... maybe itself "from regulated", but this is unlikely!
    1. +4
      3 August 2021 11: 37
      but this is unlikely

      A comparison comes to my mind with a pressure cooker, whose lid was tightened and the fires intensified ...
      1. +16
        3 August 2021 12: 02
        Yes, let them figure it out themselves! Tajiks with Kyrgyz and Uzbeks.

        If only there were fewer guest workers from there in Russia.

        And there have always been cycles of dry years. In my opinion, the Polovtsians (Cumans) and other nomadic peoples migrated precisely during the drought.
        1. +4
          3 August 2021 12: 12
          We were fleeing FROM DROUGHT, FROM FOOD LITTLE .... now the situation is multi-layered, in all respects. There are no simple solutions, on either side.
          But together, by common efforts and in agreement, the problem would have been shared between everyone and it would not have turned out to be so critical ...
          Alas, alas, local kings / baht, they want to rule in their own way, in their own interests, as a rule ...
        2. +6
          3 August 2021 12: 14
          If only there were fewer guest workers from there in Russia

          Besides Russia, there are no other civilized states nearby ...
          I am constantly amazed at how quickly most of the former republics slipped down despite resources and infrastructure.
          1. 0
            6 August 2021 16: 23
            Besides Russia, there are no other civilized states nearby ...
            To put it mildly - arrogant words. To put it more harshly - idiocy, in writing ... *))) With what I congratulate you, Mr. Ivo ... *)))
        3. +3
          3 August 2021 16: 59
          Yes, let them figure it out themselves! Tajiks with Kyrgyz and Uzbeks.

          1. Population S. Asia 2,5 Syria, so, for reference. And the length of our border with Kazakhstan is a modest 7,6 thousand km.
          2. Our industry is suddenly quite dependent on imported raw materials. At the same time, the purchase of the same uranium assets in all kinds of Canada and Namibia seemed like a good idea until Libya in 2011.Since then, it has come to the sane people that the only guarantee of the safety of such assets is that tanks are somewhere nearby.
          3. The GDP of the same Uzbekistan is half that of Ukraine, only now it has doubled over the past ten years. Unlike. At the same time, all kinds of EAEUs are not a whim of the Kremlin, but a dire necessity.

          If only there were fewer guest workers from there in Russia.

          Do you personally wave a broom? Or is it a mriya about blondes from Ryazan who sleep and see how to replace Tajiks?
        4. +1
          4 August 2021 16: 39
          When a stream of refugees rushes from there together with the militants to Russia, it is interesting that such khatoskrainiks will sing. In 2014, the same people said about Ukraine: let them sort it out, we see the result.
      2. +6
        3 August 2021 12: 06
        This pressure cooker has a valve, all the same, but its capacity is limited! With an increased heating factor, it can jerk and scald others ... the heads of the cook, thoughtfully, do not come close to this pressure cooker.
        Experienced, not the first year, joke around with a ladle.
        1. +8
          3 August 2021 12: 19
          smile
          One thing is good - everyone is different there and everyone is for himself. The mess is guaranteed, but Taliban N2 is unlikely to arise.
          I feel sorry for ordinary people; the year before last, the son-in-law and sister visited Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan - Samarkand, Bukhara, etc. The impressions are the most positive, both from the monuments and from the people.
          1. +2
            3 August 2021 12: 26
            As always, in such cases, the problem is complex .... blaming everything on the top management, on external forces is STUPID, and it WILL NOT work !!! We ourselves, all by ourselves, with our own hands we build / vote for something, from which we then groan ...
    2. -1
      3 August 2021 19: 27
      That's right, the situation is like a boiling cauldron, tightly crushed by a lid with a load))
      Western Kazakhstan also touches the issue of water, so for now Russia only needs to wait and think about how to get the maximum benefit when the steam comes out) since it is possible and necessary to return everything en masse at once))
    3. 0
      4 August 2021 00: 02
      there are quite enough people who want to act - China, Turkey, traditionally the US globally, we are trying something
  2. +2
    3 August 2021 11: 37
    The problem is solvable if we solve it together, but then another problem arises, no one wants to jointly solve the existing problem.
    1. +3
      3 August 2021 13: 01
      The problem is solvable if we solve it together, but then another problem arises, no one wants to jointly solve the existing problem.
      The terrible USSR solved this problem. With the advent of capitalism, it has reappeared and will worsen. Nobody invests a dime in the infrastructure of irrigation, water disposal - capitalism, with a known result. I don’t even feel sorry for them, when I remember what they did with the "Russian occupiers."
      1. +1
        3 August 2021 18: 05
        The terrible USSR solved this problem.

        In this reality, the USSR, as always, built an absolutely Papuan system with gigantic losses and ruined the Aral Sea.

        With the advent of capitalism, it has reappeared and will continue to worsen.

        Where is the arrival of capitalism? In the same Tajikistan, 70% of industrial products are produced in the public sector, which is traditionally completely unprofitable.
        The problem of Central Asians is that the easy money from the Glory of the CPSU (seized from the RSFSR) has ended, and the old Soviet methods of resource management have largely survived.

        Nobody invests a dime in the infrastructure of irrigation, water disposal - capitalism, with a known result.

        It turns out that irrigated agriculture can only be practiced under socialism. How it was there in California, Israel and beyond everywhere they did without the decisions of the 25th Congress, is a simple mystery.
        1. 0
          4 August 2021 12: 35
          Quote: Alarmist79
          In the same Tajikistan, 70% of industrial products are produced in the public sector, which is traditionally completely unprofitable.

          The best plant I've seen since 1991 is woodworking in Dushanbe. Government agencies in many countries are among the buyers. In Russia, they don't know how to work with wood.
        2. 0
          4 August 2021 15: 07
          It turns out that irrigated agriculture can only be practiced under socialism. How it was there in California, Israel and beyond everywhere they did without the decisions of the 25th Congress, is a simple mystery.
          You are a strange man. They heard the ringing, and did not understand where it came from. And in California (under Roosevelt) and in Israel and in the USSR, irrigation of land in arid regions was done by the STATE. Or with government funding. The USSR was an example, because the Republic of Ingushetia did nothing there for this, just as independent Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and so on does not do anything.
          1. -1
            8 August 2021 14: 09
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            Quote: AKuzenka
            You are a strange man. They heard the ringing, and did not understand where it came from. And in California (under Roosevelt)

            Under what Roosevelt, irrigated agriculture started in California in 1853. Local landowners were simply not aware that without the decisions of the 25th Congress, they could not divert water to their site.
            And in the 19th century, the reuse of water began there, to which the comrades Sharikovs / Shvonders did not reach in Central Asia not at the level of a couple of percent until the very end of the USSR.
            Then capitalism disintegrated to the extent of replenishing aquifers.
            At the same time, now yes, large main canals (built in the overwhelming part after Roosevelt) belong capitalist the state, but otherwise the landowners are on their own. Worse, the water is paid. This is approximately why southern California is still not a salt desert of the Aral-Soviet type.
            In Israel, drip irrigation was introduced by a kibbutz (be proud), who then organized a trivial commercial company that sells its services to local farmers to this day.
            In reality, everyone is involved in irrigation in the arid zone, except for the outright Zusuls. The only unique experience of the USSR in this regard is the ditching of a huge reservoir and an ecological catastrophe. At the same time, it is not "quality" that is unique - this is a common story for Black Africa - but a truly Soviet scale.

            for RI did not do anything there for this

            A communist is always a Russophobe, yes.
            “One of the progressive shifts in the economy of Central Asia after its annexation to Russia was the beginning of the construction of engineering hydraulic structures for irrigating new lands.
            Carrying out large irrigation works required new methods of labor organization and attracting large capital for irrigation work. The canals were built in the Bukhara Emirate at the expense of the treasury or by individuals who had the necessary funds. All newly irrigated lands required significant labor and funds for their complete economic development and therefore were usually exempted from taxes for some time. The state transferred the lands irrigated by the new canal for use to the person at whose expense it was built.

            Since the end of the 2,5th century, engineering and irrigation facilities have been built in the Fergana, Samarkand and Syrdarya regions. Six large engineering and irrigation dams were erected on the Murghab and Tejen rivers alone. A head canal was built in the Golodnaya Steppe with project irrigation of about 20 million dessiatines at the expense of Prince Nikolai Romanovsky, who bore his name until the XNUMXs. "
        3. +1
          5 August 2021 02: 05
          Pozhidaev //. In California, due to the opportunities and demand of GDP in 60% of the world economy ... Israel - due to duty-free re-export of goods to a country with 60% of the world's GDP. The glory of the CPSU is surrounded as now by the Russian Federation, only steeper by various embargoes due to internal planned development. there was no money for the Siberia-Central Asia water utility, now there is no leverage over this most important region in our underbelly
          1. -1
            8 August 2021 14: 45
            In California, due to the opportunities and demand of GDP in 60% of the world economy ... Israel - due to duty-free re-export of goods to a country with 60% of the world's GDP

            Which one? The United States doesn't have anywhere near 60% of world GDP, even if we count it at face value. However, it doesn't matter.
            And in, for example, Brazil / Peru / Turkey, where is it from? There is such a thing called high school. There they tell, among other things, about the scale and time of the use of irrigation before and without the Glory of the CPSU. There is a lot of both, which is typical.
            The only achievement of the USSR in this area is the cosplay of African peremogs with the inability to calculate the water balance on a non-African scale and the great Soviet quality of construction.
        4. 0
          5 August 2021 08: 38
          In this reality, the USSR, as always, built an absolutely Papuan system with gigantic losses and ruined the Aral Sea.


          Do not write nonsense.
          The biggest problem in all of Central Asia is tough nationalism against the backdrop of shtetl clannishness.
          Everything else is solvable.
          1. +1
            6 August 2021 16: 28
            this is tough nationalism against the backdrop of small-town clannishness.
            Gold words. As soon as you and others like you are cured of the artifacts of "messianism", clichés of thinking, and everyday "small-town" nationalism - perhaps at least in analytics you will start to succeed ... *))))
            1. 0
              13 August 2021 19: 30
              perhaps at least you will start to excel in analytics ...


              Yes, you look around yourself and if you don't see this one

              tough nationalism against the backdrop of small-town clannishness.


              Then I feel sorry for you, because living in a fictional world is fraught with great disappointment.
              As for analytics, follow our president, there is all analytics. There, sometimes, especially recently, such things slip through which you have never heard before (even taking into account the upcoming elections).
              1. 0
                13 August 2021 19: 37
                Then I feel sorry for you, because living in a fictional world is fraught with great disappointment.


                I didn’t understand why you feel sorry for me - but nevertheless, your “pity” touched me to the “depths of my soul” ... *)))))

                As for analytics, follow our president, all the analytics are there.


                I somehow "put a bolt" on the words ... even - presidents ... *))) I am more interested in their affairs, you know = And your president, by the way, thank God - does a lot for your country ... But this is my IMHO - I do not impose it on anyone = ... *)))) And you, yes ... listen, listen more - maybe you need it, very much, to be even more "compassionate" ... *)) )
                1. 0
                  13 August 2021 19: 40
                  And you, yes ... listen, listen more - perhaps you need it, very much, to be even more "compassionate" ...


                  As for the bolt,

                  "put the bolt", in words ... even -


                  then several cartoons have already been shown. I'm talking about analytics.
          2. -1
            8 August 2021 15: 44
            Yes, there are no fatal problems in the region. But what relation your passage has to the obvious "exoticism" of the irrigation system built by the crazy hands of certified internationalists is a big question.
  3. +5
    3 August 2021 11: 48
    Maybe - it is necessary to adopt some state programs about less proliferation, since the existing people have nothing to eat? I simply do not see any other way out - no projects, even the notorious turn of the rivers, will not be able to keep up with such an increase in population .. And - what to do with them all? Should we continue to deliver to Russia in echelons?
    1. +5
      3 August 2021 12: 15
      hi Pavel, they mostly breed for what, to cultivate the available piece of land, but at the same time the piece of land does not grow, and you won't go to the city to work, to the factory, to the factory, because there is no where. Everything is closed. teachers "with obsessions, but there is no land, there are no factories, but AK, there are a lot of them ... You can do it, capitalism, where there is no money, but you hold on. The consequences are not predictable. And the atomic bombs planted by Lenin, as they say in the Russian top, nothing to do with.
      1. +3
        3 August 2021 12: 26
        Duc - it is clear that the piece of land is finite, and where you fed with two sons - if each of them has at least two children - there will be no way to feed themselves .. And - how do they think to continue living in such situations?

        As for factories - the great Soviet Union left them a legacy of a completely prosperous economy, and who is to blame that they pissed it all out in just 30 years?
        1. +5
          3 August 2021 12: 33
          and who is to blame that they fucked it all up in just 30 years?
          , let's say, not only they did it, many more stood in line to go to the toilet, for this business. But it’s not the point, in this regard, Russia is threatened by a wave of Islamic fundamentalism, under the green banner of the prophet. This is how many "loyal" regimes will have to support how many "Afghanistan" we get.
          1. +6
            3 August 2021 12: 38
            The main thing for us is not to get Afghanistan directly in our cities .. And this will certainly happen if we continue to import millions of barmaley from those regions ..
            1. +5
              3 August 2021 14: 01
              But cheap workforce, which, moreover, can not be formalized. And, as recently said, lower inflation)) True, representatives of quite big business have already started talking out loud that all this will not end well, and not least for the economy. But others are organizing charters for delivery ... And they agree to increase, so to speak, the limit ...
              1. +6
                3 August 2021 14: 04
                The economy of slave labor will ruin Russia. For with a poor population, industry cannot develop in principle. There are no buyers of its goods, and there is no qualified labor force. A competent specialist in any field - he will not work for a pittance.
                1. +1
                  3 August 2021 14: 14
                  Duc about this, sorry, the huckster said))) But .... "And what, my dear, prevents you from talking about this?" (C)
      2. +4
        3 August 2021 12: 57
        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
        Paul, they mainly breed for what, to cultivate the existing piece of land, but at the same time the piece of land does not grow,

        They are fertile now, for sure, not for this. Not a problem, I poured a mug of water into the cauldron, feed another one, poured two ...
        The last of the noticeable conflicts near the border was not at Isfara at all, by the way, the river is called quite differently, not as in the article. But it doesn't matter. The conflict in the Lyailak district was for reasons more prosaic than water (IMHO). Some of the Kyrgyz did not like the installation of a video camera by the Tajiks. We started with throwing stones, usually it costs about 1000 rubles. in a day. Then they started shooting.
        The Ili River to the north of Kmrgizia is tied in the article almost as if the Rhine was to Spain.
        Primitive irrigation systems begin to fail with a growing population. The attitude to water is sometimes actually criminal, at least bestial, but the money for draining the reservoirs to zero is more important for someone.
        1. 0
          3 August 2021 18: 44
          The last of the noticeable conflicts near the border was not at Isfara,

          Both border villages, suddenly, stand on it.

          By the way, the river is called quite differently, not as in the article.

          Isfara is called Isfara.

          But it doesn't matter. Conflict in the Lyailak district

          Conflict has begun in Batken region. Then it spread to Leilek.

          Quote: Humpty
          was for reasons more prosaic than water (IMHO). Some of the Kyrgyz did not like the installation of a video camera by Tajiks

          Controlling water intake.

          The Ili River to the north of Kmrgizia is tied in the article almost as if the Rhine was to Spain.

          In fact, it flows near the border. But yes, it was re-edited.
          1. 0
            3 August 2021 19: 07
            Quote: Alarmist79
            Isfara is called Isfara.

            All her life (the river) the whole world calls her (the river) Karavshin, because she is world famous in narrow circles of limited people. I read it, it turns out that the piece is called Isfara. Central Asians always do this, they do not perceive the river as something integral, therefore the names change from one bend to bend. Syrdarya has 5 names, depending on the place.
            Quote: Alarmist79
            The conflict began in the Batken region. Then it spread to Leilek

            In fact, it started in the Lyailak district against a Russian company in Katran, not at all about water, but the topic was quickly changed to Tajiks. Batken is a region, although it is clearly not a region.
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              3 August 2021 20: 05
              All her life (the river) the whole world calls her (the river) Karavshin,

              I checked at Brockhaus-Euphron - Isfara.

              I read it, it turns out that the piece is called Isfara.

              The river as a whole is officially the same.

              Central Asians always do this, they do not perceive the river as something integral, therefore the names change from one bend to bend.

              Actually, there is a general scheme - if two b / m equivalent rivers merge, the result is called separately.
              Which is a little more logical than the constant practice of naming the resulting "sink" after ... a shallower river.
              Technically, for example, it is not the Kama that flows into the Volga, but vice versa. Moreover, there are at least three such places on the Volga.
              The Irtysh also "flows" into the Ob and the Angara into the Yenisei.

              At the same time, in addition, different Central Asians, Tajiks and Uzbeks, respectively, call the river Isfara and Karavshin.
              The fact that the source has a third name is either a consequence of the above-described leak, or the fact that the views of professional geographers and the local population on "source study" diverged. What happens all the time.


              Syrdarya has 5 names, depending on the place.

              More precisely, the Syr Darya is formed by the successive confluence of four rivers.

              In fact, it started in the Lyailak district against a Russian firm in Katran, but the topic was quickly changed to Tajiks.

              More than a strange scheme.
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                3 August 2021 20: 27
                Quote: Alarmist79
                More than a strange scheme.

                Behind all this is money.
                Quote: Alarmist79
                I checked at Brockhaus-Euphron - Isfara.

                Encyclopedias are written by ordinary people. Most often, they did not see the object with their own eyes. Most of the river is called Karavshin. By the way, Ak-su has not a source, but a short inflow, but very, very interesting.
                Quote: Alarmist79
                More precisely, the Syr Darya is formed by the successive confluence of four rivers.

                Almost. The names change after the confluence of some rivers.
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                  4 August 2021 09: 25
                  Behind all this is money.

                  Money is good, but what did the Kyrgyz problems with a Russian firm (which one?) In the neighboring region have to do with the violent activity of Tajiks? First, they climbed to the controversial water intake, and then rushed to smash the neighboring village?

                  Encyclopedias are written by ordinary people. Most often, they did not see the object with their own eyes. Most of the river is called Karavshin.

                  Rather, those people were deeply uninterested in what the small mountain aliens call the river.
                  TSB already mentions this due to Soviet political correctness, a common brand is still Isfara.
                  "Isfara (in the upper reaches - Aksu, in the middle reaches - Karavshin)"

                  By the way, Ak-su has not a source, but a short inflow, but very, very interesting.

                  Obviously, the local Kyrgyz felt the same way. Then professional geographers came and ruined everything.

                  Almost. The names change after the confluence of some rivers.

                  1. In general, the formation of the Syr Darya proper, for example, is characterized by almost mirror symmetry - the Naryn and Karadarya in the lower reaches flow almost parallel and merge almost exactly in the middle. Moreover, if the rivers are originally mountainous, such parallelism is standard - see the map of sowing. Italy, for example.
                  "Contribution", however, differs greatly, but
                  2. The present water content of the rivers in northern Asia is determined not so much by the catchment area as by the "drawdown".
                  3. Climate / forest cover has also changed.
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                    4 August 2021 11: 08
                    The protests were against the development of the field. The topic was hushed up, then we went to the border, throw stones. The way to make money is this. Both sides of the border are "good" there.
                    Sorry, but you are using open sources, telling me the geography of my own gardens. If you do not know from the Internet the mentioned places that the feral tribes are trying to turn into a conflict zone, then you can easily tell how the region is connected with Svarog, the anniversary of the baptism of Rus and with Saladin. Moreover, there is not an ounce of alternative and mysticism in this. hi
                    1. 0
                      8 August 2021 12: 50
                      The protests were against the development of the field. The topic was hushed up, went on to the border, throw stones.

                      And how did the protests of the Kyrgyz against the development of the field affect the activity of the Tajiks?

                      Sorry, but you are using open sources, telling me the geography of my own gardens.

                      And what secret knowledge can there be in geography?
                      Here is the merger of Naryn with Karadarya, for example.


                      then you can easily tell how the area is connected with Svarog, the anniversary of the baptism of Russia and with Saladin. Moreover, there is not an ounce of alternative and mysticism in this.

                      I was not interested in local local history tales of dubious authenticity - you can draw the same Saladin to Central Asia through Baybars, for example. But it is not necessary, because it was much more likely from the Crimea (Solkhat). However, I will listen with interest.
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                        8 August 2021 14: 07
                        Quote: Alarmist79
                        the same Saladin can be drawn to Central Asia through Baybars, for example. But not

                        Saladin is a photographer. Otherwise, there are also no local history tales.
      3. 0
        4 August 2021 01: 56
        because there is no where. Everything is closed.

        Auto assembly of domestic cars, for example. Well, other assembly plants. In the Russian Federation, there is a lack of its own industry, its affordable cars, industrial goods. Therefore, on the contrary, it is necessary to bring the assembly there and not bring in the workers - then the pressure will drop.
    2. +1
      3 August 2021 17: 31
      Maybe - it is necessary to adopt some state programs about less proliferation, since the existing people have nothing to eat?

      In the case of Uzbekistan, you were 20 years late with your proposals. This is roughly how much Tashkent is accused of atrocious methods of birth control in rural areas. As a result, the number of births per woman is at the level of simple reproduction, there is a purely inertial growth due to the large number of young people born in the 90s.
      Tajiks, yes, "wisely" waited until the year before last.
      1. 0
        3 August 2021 18: 06
        Quote: Alarmist79
        In turn, the north of Kyrgyzstan is "at the mercy" of China, which controls the upper reaches of the Ili.

        Tell Evgeny, what did you mean by this, what are you talking about?
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          3 August 2021 18: 14
          Initially, the article contained a piece about Kazakhstan (it has its own cross-border features). Moreover, I did not delete it immediately, but after attempts to cut it down.
          1. 0
            3 August 2021 18: 25
            Quote: Alarmist79
            Initially, the article contained a piece about Kazakhstan

            It's clear. It looks like something is distracted.
            Quote: Alarmist79
            There is a scenario with a 20% decrease in river flow over the next 30 years. However, even the World Bank is less radical, believing that by 2050 the runoff in the Syr Darya basin may decrease by 2-5%, and the Amu Darya - by 10-15%.

            At the same time, the value of constructions from climatology to them. Thunberg is highly questionable.

            These conclusions also seem dubious to me. Considering that there are no giant glaciers in the Syr Darya basin. There are a couple of just large ones at 50 km2 and 60 km2, the rest are much or much less. In the Amu Darya basin there is a giant glacier and dozens of large ones.
      2. 0
        6 August 2021 16: 35
        In the case of Uzbekistan, you were 20 years late with your proposals.
        It was 20 years ago, at the suggestion of the WHO - now it is not. Now the natural-economic systems of population regulation are already working ... Although, for example, strict quarantine, Russia and Uzbekistan were affected in EXTREMELY the opposite way. We saw a surge in birth rates in the spring and autumn of 20, while you, "pale-faced brothers and sisters", fell ...
        1. 0
          8 August 2021 19: 16
          It was 20 years ago, at the suggestion of the WHO - now it is not.

          Now the complaints have started again.

          Natural-economic systems for regulating the population are already working.

          Basically yes, but now the relative growth in the birth rate and m. in some places they really intensified.

          .. Although, for example, strict quarantine, Russia and Uzbekistan were affected in EXTREMELY the opposite way. We saw a surge in birth rates in the spring and autumn of 20, while you, "pale-faced brothers and sisters", fell ...

          Um, in general, the prerequisites for this were for 9 months. before the event. At the same time, the TFR (number of children per woman) in Russia in 2020 did not change at all. Just a very predictable demographic hole due to the lows of the 90s. In Uzbekistan, about the same thing, but with the opposite sign, EMNIP.
          1. 0
            8 August 2021 19: 37
            Now the complaints have started again.

            Perhaps so - I will ask my acquaintances among reproductive medicine doctors ... And this is not good - if this is really so, then you will have to push familiar deputies to a "fight" ... 20 years ago, at the suggestion of WHO, they used ugly methods that cripple Women ...
            Um, in general, the prerequisites for this were for 9 months. before the event
            Ummm ... this can explain the spring peak of 2020 ... Well, the autumn peak, this is already according to the principle - "it was in the evening, there was nothing to do" ... *))) And in fact, it turns out, the population of that Uzbekistan is more optimistic about the future than the population of Russia ...
            1. 0
              8 August 2021 21: 41
              Well, in the autumn, this is already according to the principle - "it was in the evening, there was nothing to do" ...

              The quarantine was in April-May. Accordingly, the first effect should have been in December.

              And in fact, it turns out that the population of the same Uzbekistan is more optimistic about the future than the population of Russia ...

              "Ukraine is doomed to success" (c). This is a poster of the early XNUMXs, at the same time external observers ascertained the presence of a relaxed complacent mood on Nenka and chronic nervousness in Russia from top to bottom. The imperial nations are imperial because the cry is all lost there sounds long before something really disappears.
              1. 0
                8 August 2021 23: 10
                *))) We have a tough quarantine began from the beginning of March 2020, and with interruptions, lasted until the end of that year, this is one ... two, where did you read the words, MY, about "doomed to success" then? .. *))) = smiled = ... just a statement of the fact that the inhabitants of Uzbekistan have thoughts, like - "yes, it seems nothing like this, you can live. You can even try to reproduce children" ... *)) And about "imperialism" - here la-la is not necessary, yes ... "imperial thinking", maybe some individuals, regardless of their country of residence = for me, for example, purely imperial thinking - grew up in the appropriate environment. And precisely because of this thinking, for example, I spent two years in the 11-13th on an expedition, in that very "Nenka", at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, until the Ukrainians started a "revolution" = ... but in Russia, in general and in general - now the "small-town philistine" prevails ... read, at least the comments of your "compatriots" ... *)))
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                  9 August 2021 12: 52
                  We have a hard quarantine since the beginning of March 2020,

                  https://www.ritmeurasia.org/news--2020-08-12--covid-19-v-uzbekistane.-hronika-sobytij-v-usloviah-pandemii-50378
                  “Against the backdrop of a worsening epidemiological situation in Tashkent and regional centers, a self-isolation regime was introduced for citizens over 1 years of age on April 65. already from 6 April the self-isolation regime has become mandatory for all citizens of the country, "

                  "imperial thinking" may be in some individuals, regardless of their country of residence

                  The question is in the concentration of these individuals per square meter.

                  and in Russia, on the whole, "small-town philistinism" prevails now ... read at least the comments of your "compatriots" ..

                  It has always prevailed. But the political process everywhere and always looks about the same as in Gangs of New York. Moreover, we are not talking about "technologies", but about a minority, quite successfully imposing an agenda on everyone else.
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                    9 August 2021 13: 08
                    I was fined for the first time for appearing without a mask, they were discharged near the house, God forbid, memory, exactly my birthday, March 12, 2020 ... *)) As for the "concentration of individuals", it is, plus or minus, the same throughout the former Union, do not flatter yourself ... I was never interested in the film "gangs of New York", so I did not understand the analogy, but nevertheless - if you understand "imperialism" in the context of Russians, for example, you understand "Orthodoxy, collecting lands, messianism "- then such an agenda is not necessary to anyone except the Russians themselves = just like no one except the Uzbek nationalists needs an agenda - Islam, Pan-Turkism, the" exclusiveness "of the nation = ... *))) And this is not an indicator of" imperialism ", but rather an indicator of arrogance and narrow-mindedness ... *))) And such summons will not bring anything good, except terrible and disgusting ... *)))
                    1. 0
                      9 August 2021 17: 09
                      I was fined for the first time for appearing without a mask, they were discharged near the house, God forbid, remember, exactly my birthday, March 12, 2020 ... *))


                      Uh ...

                      https://kun.uz/ru/news/2020/03/22/v-uzbekistane-vveli-obyazatelnoye-nosheniye-masok

                      From March 23, warnings will be issued to persons who are seen in public places in Tashkent, Karakalpakstan and regional centers.

                      From 6:00 on March 25, a fine will be issued for violation of this rule. in the amount of 1 basic calculated value (223 thousand soums), in case of a repeated violation, the fine will be 3 BRV (669 thousand soums).

                      As for the "concentration of individuals", it is, plus or minus, the same throughout the former Union, do not flatter yourself ...

                      From which we can conclude that in the same Uzbekistan it is not at all higher than on the Ukrainian woman you know. Only now Ukraine is clearly not Russia, this is perfectly observed.
                      That is exactly why we have 1/8 of the land, and some ...

                      if you understand "imperialism" in the context of Russians, for example, "Orthodoxy, collecting lands,

                      The independence of the post-Soviet countries is a temporary and annoying misunderstanding, yes.

                      -
                      then such an agenda is of no use to anyone except the Russians themselves

                      In reality, kagbe is about joint development and joint security.
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                        9 August 2021 19: 47
                        The independence of the post-Soviet countries is a temporary and annoying misunderstanding, yes.
                        We with Kazakhs definitely didn’t ask to leave the USSR ... *)) But what happened happened, and it’s high time to take it as a fait accompli ... *)) We need to come up with some other, unifying ideology .. The ideology of the "Russian World" is unlikely to be of interest to Uzbekistan ... The revival of the "Soviet World" has not gone far ... *)))
    3. 0
      3 August 2021 21: 36
      Maybe - we need to accept some state programs about less proliferation,

      This is what for example? As in Russia, the maternity capital payment program? I see you are a fan of social Darwinism - instead of looking for ways to feed everyone (modern technologies allow this), you propose to get rid of the "superfluous", while the rich continue to fill their pockets at the expense of the poor. Are you haunted by Hitler's laurels?
  4. -1
    3 August 2021 12: 37
    China introduced measures to limit the birth rate - "One family - one child." But our Central Asian "friends" are unlikely to have a ride ...
    1. +2
      3 August 2021 12: 50
      And this decision has already been canceled, moreover, according to the results of the last population census, the penalty for the birth of the third child in the family was lifted. The population of the PRC is aging catastrophically, there are not enough young workers. The situation is aggravated by the birth rate that has declined against the background of rising living standards. In 2025, natural population decline was recorded in 1 cities of China, and by 5 Beijing will face it. "
      1. +1
        3 August 2021 12: 58
        Yes, I know. Moreover, during the implementation of the program, they experienced a bias - 70 percent of them were born boys! To be at war? But we will come to restrictions anyway - this is inevitable, because the alternative is sad. Something like the invasion of Chingiz the Great ...
        1. +5
          3 August 2021 13: 07
          “According to experts, the Earth can easily feed 100-200 billion people.” These are all the “scarecrows” of the “golden billion” about total hunger from overpopulation. There is an imbalance in the distribution of food, water and benefits on Earth. This is the problem, not in "overpopulation." In the PRC, by the way, there are a lot of sparsely populated territories and people are not particularly eager to live there.
          1. +1
            3 August 2021 14: 08
            It can feed something, if we approach the issue technologically .. But - what will a dekhanin grow up there, picking his clothes with a hoe? And there is no money for the mechanization of agriculture in those parts and will not be, if not to return the Soviet power. From the outside, no one will give them anything either, why? Who cares about their fate?
            1. 0
              6 August 2021 16: 49
              But - what will a dekhanin grow up there, picking his clothes with a hoe?
              If you have seen this in Tajikistan or Kyrgyzstan, I will not argue with you. These are two countries that depend on Russia - and their growth or backwardness is the growth or backwardness of Russia itself. In Uzbekistan, agriculture is no longer what you imagine in your head ... *)))
              1. 0
                6 August 2021 16: 57
                Well - I personally saw it about 15 years ago. If your agriculture in Central Asia is highly mechanized and super modern - in turn I will not argue, perhaps - they really made a colossal leap in 15 years .. what
                1. 0
                  6 August 2021 16: 59
                  Yes ... he got a bit sick himself, literally this summer, having come to the plantations of Stevia, in the Tashkent region and having visited Karakalpakstan ... *))) But still, there is room to strive, of course ... *)))
          2. +1
            6 August 2021 16: 45
            The Earth can easily feed 100-200 billion people
            Gold words. 100-200 lard, too much. But under 70-80 lard - EASY. It's just that it's high time to abandon stinking capitalism ...
  5. +1
    3 August 2021 13: 43
    The problem is solvable if we solve it together

    To solve the problem together, you need to gather everyone in one group and put one "khan" at the head. Either we can do it, or China or Turkey. Otherwise, escalation is seen as inevitable.
    1. +1
      3 August 2021 14: 05
      Or we can do it
      "Turkestan" campaigns? smile
    2. +1
      3 August 2021 14: 14
      To solve the problem, you need not so much a khan as a lot of money .. And nobody will give them that.
    3. 0
      3 August 2021 14: 47
      Quote: Falcon IBA
      you need to gather everyone in one group and put one "khan" at the head.

      Why, comrade? Crocodile turn out.
      Quote: Falcon IBA
      Either we can do it, or China or Turkey.

      It is better to breed ordinary crocodiles (reptiles) there and teach them to worship a crocodile.
    4. 0
      6 August 2021 16: 56
      Or we can do it
      And why "you" don't do that? .. *)))) And Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, in "your" = Russian = zone of responsibility - you seem to have military bases there, like mushrooms after rain. Why do you allow border conflicts then? .. *)))) Or a simple truth works, for "you" too - "Divide and conquer"? .. *))))
  6. 0
    3 August 2021 15: 15
    The water losses are enormous. There is both a natural factor and a human factor. Way out: the creation of one body for these countries that would deal with this problem.
    1. +1
      3 August 2021 15: 48
      Quote: nikvic46
      Way out: the creation of one body for these countries that would deal with this problem.

      When, the year before last, a somewhat unified body was created that dealt with this problem and others in the complex, then a large territory in the SA was depopulated. Then, on the deserted territory for 400 years, wolves shit and replaced each other with gangs of different homeless people.
  7. 0
    3 August 2021 16: 29
    In the end, the Chinese will appear and everything will be decided hi .
  8. +21
    3 August 2021 16: 54
    the value of constructions from climatology to them. Thunberg is highly questionable. Although the Western press with touching shamelessness declared the drought to be a consequence of global warming, the de facto delay in the melting of glaciers suggests an obvious pause in the process.

    We need to start preparing lawsuits against Europe for the illegality of introducing a carbon tax based on false conclusions about ecology and climate. Put their lies back down their throats, so to speak
    1. +2
      3 August 2021 17: 37
      Quote: alma
      We need to start preparing lawsuits against Europe for the illegality of introducing a carbon tax based on false conclusions about ecology and climate. Put their lies back down their throats, so to speak

      I would not mean just the throat. For some reason, talkers annoying like flies about global warming are silent about the fact that the ice age in the southern hemisphere has not yet thought of ending. Where at latitudes and heights corresponding to Volgograd and Balkhash in the northern hemisphere, in the Indian Ocean and in Patagonia, ice lies.
      1. +1
        6 August 2021 17: 09
        in the northern hemisphere Volgograd and Balkhash, in the Indian Ocean and in Patagonia ice lies.
        That's it. The problem of "global warming", in general, is largely sucked out of fingers and other "sucking" organs by "hungry" meteorologists ... *)))) As well as the problem with water, by and large, in our , Central Asian region ... For example, this year our main problem was prolonged cold weather - which receded only closer to May ... * (((
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          6 August 2021 18: 13
          Quote: de_monSher
          For example, this year the main problem we had was the prolonged cold weather - which receded only closer to May ... * (((

          It was a secondary problem for us, it happens sometimes, it happened in June and worse. Winter with little snow, late warming in the mountains and at the same time abnormally hot June in the valleys. These are flowers, in July the water flooded and now rushing, but the reservoirs of the Chui valley were drained to the Kazakhs, one must think that it was disinterested ((Even belonging to the Society of Hunters and Fishermen. How many fish died, this is just a crime against nature.
          The water in the main canals ran there, but even those who switched to capillary irrigation dried up their fields. The crisis is 90 percent man-made. You, in principle, not much worse than I understand what our "human factor" is.
          1. +1
            6 August 2021 19: 35
            That is just a little offensive, damn it ... Net net importer of apricots, Uzbekistan - this year turned into an importer due to frosts in March, April ... * ((and the first half of the year we had that high cost, for agricultural products - which was not so pleasant ...
            1. 0
              6 August 2021 19: 58
              I haven't been to Uzbekistan for a long time. About 3 years ago, the truth was looking at the area of ​​Maidantal from the ridge.
              1. 0
                6 August 2021 22: 04
                Everything has changed a lot ... Karimov, deceased, let the land rest in peace, he saved everything, saved up, saved up - and crushed everyone in a row, so that life would not seem like raspberries to anyone. Quite wisely, as it turned out, he acted. The current one has opened all the ways, the people have thrown away the accumulated business ... now, now it pleases in something - their own, home-grown sturgeon, trout, and other fish ... their agricultural production is quite powerful. Its electronics are available. Auto, mechanical engineering ... Yes, not yet very "fountain" - But "Moscow was not built right away" ... *)))
                1. 0
                  7 August 2021 05: 20
                  Quote: de_monSher
                  But even "Moscow was not built right away" ... *)))

                  Ak Zhol! Uzbeks are hardworking people. With adequate guidance, you will find your way. According to familiar Osh Uzbeks under Mirziyoyev, life in Uzbekistan has become better.
  9. 0
    5 August 2021 06: 18
    The problem described by the author in this region of Asia can be solved only by the construction of water distribution and irrigation systems using the example of Israel, this is a lot of money and these countries will not pull it, and they will play in skirmishes at the border, only China will be able to solve this issue with the construction site, but then it is possible will have to transfer control over the constructed facilities to the Chinese, and this is a strategic lever of pressure on the governments of the Central Asian countries, so things will remain there even now
  10. 0
    5 August 2021 06: 31
    By the way, they touched upon the issue of foreign workers from Central Asia on the territory of Russia, I did not meet Turkmen, Kyrgyz and Tajiks at the construction site, mostly Uzbeks, which is caused by a large number of workers, due to the dramatically increased population in this country, in their families now, mainly up to three children, women do not want to procreate the poor, given the growing demand for construction workers, many Uzbeks want to move to Russia for permanent residence, their prices are the same as those of our builders (concrete workers, masons, plasterers), the creation of some either I did not notice strong competition for local workers, there is a lot of work at the construction site now, the pace of construction does not stop even a sharp increase in prices for building materials
  11. 0
    8 August 2021 04: 33
    The Kyrgyz are the most militant in Central Asia. Even Caucasians are afraid of them.

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