"The Rafale pilot jammed the Su-35 radar without problems": the Polish press broadcasts conjectures about the training battle of the Egyptian Air Force planes

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Publications that exercises were held in Egypt, in which French and Russian-made Rafale and Su-35SE fighters, respectively, converged in a simulated air battle, are actively discussed in foreign media.

It all started with a blog post claiming that the Su-35SE "was defeated in a training air battle against the French Rafale." At the same time, there was no official confirmation of this information from the Egyptian Air Force. However, this did not become a hindrance for a number of European specialized media, which began to talk about the "superiority of Western aircraft over Russian".



In particular, the material in which the author tries to analyze the "lost Su-35" during the exercises in Egypt, the battle was published in the Polish military-themed publication Defense24. The Polish author, without going into details of what the real purpose of the teachings was, writes:

During the training battle, the Russian Su-35 played the role of "aggressor" and was supposed to attack the Rafale. However, the French fighter pilot quickly realized that he was being irradiated by the radar, and with the help of an onboard electronic warfare system - Thales SPECTRA (Self-Protection Equipment to Counter Threats for Rafale Aircraft), he jammed the Su-35 radar without any problems. The pilot of the Russian-made aircraft could not control his weapons, and the Rafale pilot easily tracked the enemy with his radar, counterattacked and eventually shot him down.

The Polish author writes that in this way "it was clearly proved that in the one-on-one confrontation, the French fighter clearly outperforms the Russian-made enemy, moreover, straight from the Russian aircraft plant - after the pilot was trained by Russian instructors."

These conclusions sound, to put it mildly, strange. Even if this kind of exercise was carried out in the Egyptian Air Force, then it is certainly impossible to draw a conclusion from one conditional air battle about the advantage of one 4th generation aircraft over another. Indeed, in the variant of a single imitation battle, any of the aircraft would have gained the upper hand anyway. And if it turned out to be a Su-35, then would they write in the same Poland that the Russian fighter "is definitely superior to the French Rafale"? There is an opinion that it is unlikely. Moreover, neither the training nor the experience of the pilots was taken into account. In addition, there is no information about the main thing - whether the Egyptian pilot of the Su-35 was tasked with conditionally destroying the discovered Rafal, or the task was to work out exactly the departure of Rafal from a possible attack using the available onboard means.

Without these data, the publication in the Polish press looks like a broadcast of speculation, nothing more. Moreover, these speculations are clearly aimed at contributing to the competition in the global fighter market and organizing anti-PR for Russian fighters, which (whether it would be desirable in Poland or not) have managed to prove themselves excellently all over the world.
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  1. +14
    29 July 2021 15: 08
    Their "broadcasting speculation" vs ours "according to a knowledgeable source of the Indian Air Force"
    1. +30
      29 July 2021 15: 26
      As for the press.
      There was such an anecdote in the 70s: Brezhnev and Nixon decided to compete who would come running first. The first Nyx came running. Our journalists think: what to write? The next day, the newspapers wrote: "Yesterday, in the Brezhnev-Nixon race, Brezhnev finished second, and Nixon was the penultimate!"
      . For half a century NOTHING has changed.
      1. +21
        29 July 2021 15: 29
        Given the hype in the media, I would like to see an official comment from the Egyptian Air Force.
        1. +9
          29 July 2021 15: 43
          Do they need it?)
          1. +3
            30 July 2021 07: 57
            It was drowned out from the shore.
        2. +14
          29 July 2021 15: 44
          I would also like to know where the Polish pilots were on Polish-made aircraft at that time?
          1. +3
            29 July 2021 17: 50
            In the meantime ...
            Polish pilots on Russian harvesters were involved in the battle for the harvest))
          2. wow
            +2
            30 July 2021 19: 44
            They were in the w ... ne, as usual.
        3. +26
          29 July 2021 16: 26
          During the training battle, the Russian Su-35 played the role of "aggressor" and was supposed to attack the Rafale. However, the French fighter pilot quickly realized that he was being irradiated by radar.

          On this phrase, the whole fake can be closed ... Let someone figure out why the aggressor should turn on the radar? To discover yourself? The aggressor destroys the targets that he knows ... If in the process of the assignment he is discovered, he takes some action ... And only a dreamer can turn on the radar in a custom article for idiots, which he composes the same!
          It would be better if these storytellers compared the OELS systems of two aircraft in real confrontation from different angles ... Or the detection range of airborne radars in confrontation ... If they are silent, then there are no special advantages for the expensive Raphael ...
          By the way, in all the photos Rafal yearns for 2 or 3 suspended tanks, but what about shooting and bombing? But the Su-35 is armed to the teeth and without tanks, the French are lying about the combat radius ?! Do these tanks reduce the RCS?
          1. -7
            29 July 2021 16: 51
            Quote: Volkof
            . Or the detection range of airborne radars in opposition

            You just wrote that the radar should be turned on.
            I wonder why he is needed then?
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          2. +3
            29 July 2021 17: 06
            "I found out that he was being irradiated by the radar .." And no wonder. After all, before that the pilot was told "Press tight and hold your breath. You will come in tomorrow for the pictures." laughing
          3. +12
            29 July 2021 17: 20
            Write nonsense dear.
            The airborne radar station for the fighter is given that this is its main Observation and Aiming System for the search and subsequent destruction of enemy aircraft.
            OLSs and OEPSs are certainly good, BUT well, they see targets only in the ZPS (where the nozzles are hot), and the front is not good enough. And the detection range of the radar is always higher. Plus, you will be surprised that without a radar, you cannot use medium-range missile defense, even with active heads. At long ranges, they need radio correction, otherwise, on a target such as a small maneuverable fighter, the probability of hitting is 0 point tenths.
            Again, well, you will track down the radiation of someone else's radar with the help of SPO, with your own turned off, and what's the use? Do not let your rocket on the PDF. We'll have to wait for visual detection ranges. By then, the Meteor will arrive.
          4. +3
            29 July 2021 17: 31
            In general, the "drying" radar will be more powerful, it is "heavy", but the "rafal" is average. To jam the enemy radar, you need to have a transmitter of comparable power.
            1. +3
              29 July 2021 17: 56
              No
              Much less
              The radar signal travels back and forth, and the electronic warfare - only in one direction
              1. +1
                29 July 2021 18: 09
                So the probing pulse is also more powerful. The power of the transmitter or the size of the antenna - you can't get away from this. The "drying" is larger and more powerful.
                1. +2
                  29 July 2021 18: 25
                  Quote: TermNachTER
                  So the probing pulse is also more powerful.

                  Yes, only he does not just go back and forth, but also "there" is reflected from a small piece of iron, weakening thousands of times.
                  Therefore, an electronic warfare transmitter does not need to have the same power as a radar.
                  Moreover, the transmitter of the radar with PFAR shines in the entire hemisphere, and the transmitter of the electronic warfare with the AFAR shines aimingly, that is, it also has a rather big gain on the diagram.
                  1. 0
                    29 July 2021 18: 51
                    And the electronic warfare transmitter, which "shines" with a very narrow directional pattern, cannot be detected?))))
                    1. +2
                      29 July 2021 19: 09
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      And the electronic warfare transmitter, which "shines" with a very narrow directional pattern, cannot be detected?))))

                      You can spot it. Only the direction, and that is very approximate. And the range is impossible without outside help. Those. no way to aim with a conventional rocket. You need to have an anti-radar missile. And it may not be possible to apply it without knowing the range.
                      1. +1
                        29 July 2021 21: 03
                        And that the "dryers" do not have PRL - missiles?
                    2. +3
                      30 July 2021 08: 01
                      Are you not familiar with electronics and physics?
                      1. +1
                        30 July 2021 12: 12
                        There is even a diploma in radio engineering, although secondary - a nautical school))) that's why I know that jamming is a "double-edged sword".
                2. +1
                  29 July 2021 21: 54
                  There's a non-linear relationship
                  For radar range - fourth root of radar power
      2. -1
        30 July 2021 17: 06
        knn54. What is true for the whole world is, of course, nonsense and evil speculation for one country. Some people die, and some - no signs of life.
      3. 0
        31 July 2021 03: 05
        in the 70-s

        This anecdote was already about Khrushchev-Eisenhower.
    2. +4
      29 July 2021 15: 43
      Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
      Their "broadcasting speculation" vs ours "according to a knowledgeable source of the Indian Air Force"

      Well yes. Information came from here Indian Defense Research Wing.
      1. nks
        +1
        31 July 2021 11: 43
        The original source is https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2021/07/19/su-35-fails-to-withstand-rafales-spectra-electronic-attacks/ (they refer to Breaking Defense, but no one found anything like that there) , and the rest of him retell
    3. +13
      29 July 2021 16: 06
      Rafale pilot jammed Su-35 radar without problems ": Polish press speculates about combat training

      Polish storytellers lol In one fell swoop - seven beats!

    4. +5
      29 July 2021 17: 50
      Their "broadcasting speculation" vs ours "according to a knowledgeable source of the Indian Air Force"

      The Egyptian Air Force does not have Su-35 aircraft)))
      Normal fake)))
      1. +11
        29 July 2021 18: 14
        Quote: lucul
        The Egyptian Air Force does not have Su-35 aircraft
        good
        What do you mean no? The Poles said there is a Su-35SЭ - means "aggressor" is wassat modification development of the future - the Poles "wang", and you accuse them of lying - not good laughing
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    5. +2
      30 July 2021 11: 27
      Oh, how I would like to put something like that, sharp-smelling on this Polish "knowledgeable and leading in all fields of knowledge" edition ...
      1. +1
        30 July 2021 17: 10
        Quote: aleks neym_2
        something like that, sharp-smelling ...

        CH3SH laughing
        1. +1
          30 July 2021 17: 25
          Do you want to remind them of the smells of an old Hebrew ... "European" communal apartment with rotten cabbage? Aren't you afraid to poison?
  2. +11
    29 July 2021 15: 08
    The dog barks, the wind wears!
  3. +9
    29 July 2021 15: 13
    They heard the ringing, but they do not know where he is. Poles in one word.
  4. +7
    29 July 2021 15: 14
    It all started with a blog post claiming
    What is asserted somewhere, like that, from the most reliable sources ... well, they want to engage in tranquility. You will not forbid.
  5. -4
    29 July 2021 15: 14
    So what about the specific situation where Rafal's electronic warfare jamming the Su-35 radar?
    1. +4
      29 July 2021 15: 22
      By the way, does Rafal at that moment see something himself?
      After all, you can drown everything so that you yourself will not see the piano fall on your head!
    2. +9
      29 July 2021 15: 43
      Is there a situation at all?))) In addition to the media, who is talking about this?)))
    3. +17
      29 July 2021 15: 49
      It is still impossible to muffle the radar (in the sense that it does not emit) smile you can put interference on the receiving path. What the pilot of Rafal did - put interference, broke the grip, got away from the blow and maneuvering took a position for shooting. That is, I worked out the escape from the blow. It is likely that later the Su-shki pilot began to practice the same maneuver. After all, exercises, not real combat.
      1. 0
        29 July 2021 17: 57
        Only afar radars are much more anti-jamming
      2. 0
        29 July 2021 18: 23
        Quote: dzvero
        It is likely that later the Su-shki pilot began to practice the same maneuver.

        And all this happened in China between Su and j-20 ... Or did Egypt conduct a "training battle" in Syria ???
        1. +5
          29 July 2021 19: 23
          Indian journalist, sir. Many where could have happened smile
          1. +3
            29 July 2021 19: 36
            Quote: dzvero
            Many where could have happened

            Could only happen where, sir, where there is SU-35SЭ hi
  6. +12
    29 July 2021 15: 28
    it is necessary to ban VO on the publication of any vyser from the Poles.
    1. +4
      29 July 2021 15: 49
      Quote: 501Legion
      it is necessary to ban VO on the publication of any vyser from the Poles.

      There is no need for prohibitions, let them write, swear, gloat, let us know what they think, what they breathe .. smile For every mouth, do not put on a scarf. And to shut up everyone's mouth, to waste time. Let them be hysterical and jump, this is their energy, and the more it splashes out, the more we can see at what stage of development the rabid gang of Caucasians is. smile
    2. +6
      29 July 2021 16: 09
      Quote: 501Legion
      it is necessary to ban VO on the publication of any vyser from the Poles.

      Why remove unnecessary confirmation of the correctness of our actions request
  7. +3
    29 July 2021 15: 28
    The Polish author writes that in this way "it was clearly proved that in the one-on-one confrontation, the French fighter clearly outperforms the Russian-made enemy, moreover, straight from the Russian aircraft plant - after the pilot was trained by Russian instructors."

    It’s amazing how he didn’t give it out: “in this way it was clearly proved that in the one-on-one confrontation, the Polish fighter“ Polyal ”was definitely superior to the Russian-made enemy” ...
    wassat
    It sucks when there is no own production of fighters, no own opinion - all that remains is to invent and fantasize.
  8. +19
    29 July 2021 15: 33
    The article was written by an Indian journalist. belay How was an Indian journalist allowed to access such information?

    In India, they are trying to find out why Rafal cost them so much. Smells very strongly of "custom bullshit" to justify India's purchase of Rafal.

    PS: Without a doubt, Rafal is one of the best representatives of the 4th generation IFIs and Thales is really capable of making an excellent radar and electronic warfare system. But, everything else - smells bad of zakazukha.
    1. +3
      29 July 2021 16: 34
      Rafale is certainly good, and the French AFAR and electronic warfare technologies are at their best. But the Su-35 also has an excellent electronic warfare system, the Americans recognized Russia's superiority in this area. Couldn't the Su-35 drown out the Frenchman's guidance system? Why isn't this in the article? French zakazuha.
      1. +7
        29 July 2021 17: 50
        "Why isn't this in the article?"
        Because there is no Su-35 in Egypt yet. We didn’t have time to drive it yet.
      2. 0
        30 July 2021 14: 13
        Quote: URAL72
        Rafale is certainly good, and the French AFAR and electronic warfare technologies are at their best. But the Su-35 also has an excellent electronic warfare system, the Americans recognized Russia's superiority in this area. Couldn't the Su-35 drown out the Frenchman's guidance system?

        If only this message is not a fiction at all, then the answer to your question lies in the equipment of the export version of the Su-35 (after all, it is not as good as the domestic Russian one).

        Quote: URAL72
        Why isn't this in the article? French zakazuha.

        In the original article, it was written about this, it's just that the author of this article gave the original article only partially.
        The original article on this subject said:
        "Observers note that the Su-35, which is in service with the Egyptian Air Force, is equipped with old equipment, the capabilities of which are significantly inferior to foreign competitors."
        (Source: https://infosmi.net/politic/241703-frantsuzskiy-rafale-sbil-rossiyskiy-su-35-v-ramkah-ucheniy/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop)
        1. 0
          1 August 2021 10: 37
          Quote: 1Alexey
          Quote: URAL72
          Rafale is certainly good, and the French AFAR and electronic warfare technologies are at their best. But the Su-35 also has an excellent electronic warfare system, the Americans recognized Russia's superiority in this area. Couldn't the Su-35 drown out the Frenchman's guidance system?

          If only this message is not a fiction at all, then the answer to your question lies in the equipment of the export version of the Su-35 (after all, it is not as good as the domestic Russian one).

          Quote: URAL72
          Why isn't this in the article? French zakazuha.

          In the original article, it was written about this, it's just that the author of this article gave the original article only partially.
          The original article on this subject said:
          "Observers note that the Su-35, which is in service with the Egyptian Air Force, is equipped with old equipment, the capabilities of which are significantly inferior to foreign competitors."
          (Source: https://infosmi.net/politic/241703-frantsuzskiy-rafale-sbil-rossiyskiy-su-35-v-ramkah-ucheniy/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop)

          AND? Do you know that there is no Su-35 in Egypt yet? From this, the fake will not cease to be
          1. 0
            4 August 2021 22: 03
            You should have read more closely the comment to which you are writing the answer!

            I clearly wrote: "If only this message is not fiction at all."
    2. 0
      30 July 2021 13: 44
      You write in truth.
  9. +7
    29 July 2021 15: 42
    Interestingly, even on the Thales website there is no information about the possibility of suppressing the aircraft's radar by the SPECTRA electronic warfare system, everything is described there very vaguely.
    https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/spectra-state-art-rafale-multi-spectral-integrated-defensive-aids-suite
  10. +11
    29 July 2021 15: 45
    Rafal is a competitor to Sushki in the arms market, so it's PR and contextual advertising. And the Indian is here to muffle the echoes of the 2016 contract for 36 Rafales, which India is not entirely happy with.
    1. +6
      29 July 2021 17: 45
      You know, I was not too lazy and looked at the characteristics of Raphael! ... And he saw the light ... He has a combat radius without tanks of only 600 km, and the version of the suspensions is not yet clear ... The internal fuel supply is less than 5 tons ... This trough flies with 3 suspended tanks with limited capabilities for maneuver and with a take-off weight of 24,5 tons and a thrust on the afterburner of about 15 tons? The Indians were made like Lokhov, and they are silent and sniff with a quiet glanders ... Yes, AFAR on board and advanced electronics ... But this cannot compensate for the flight characteristics of this trough ... And no one needs it empty ... It's a combat aircraft ...
      1. -1
        30 July 2021 16: 49
        Quote: Volkof
        He has a combat radius without tanks of only 600 km.

        You should not engage in unnecessary shapkozakidatelstvom, our country already passed this in 1940-41 and we remember how it ended (we won at the cost of great sacrifices).

        A combat radius of 600 km, if it is without hanging tanks (and with 3 PTBs, its combat radius is 1389 km), then this is quite normal (our MiG-31 with weapons has a combat radius of only 700 km without PTBs).

        Quote: Volkof
        Yes, AFAR on board and advanced electronics ... But this cannot compensate for the performance characteristics of this trough ...

        So this article says (if this is not a lie) that Rafal won not at the expense of LTH, but solely at the expense of electronics.

        As for the comprehensive comparison of Raphael and the Su-35, it is very well shown in the following article: https://www.aviapanorama.ru/2015/12/veroyatnost-porazheniya-rafalya-v-boyu-protiv-cu-35- vyshe-stoimost-tozhe /
  11. -7
    29 July 2021 15: 46
    Does anyone really think that some French pedik sitting at the controls of a fighter will engage in a real air battle with our pilot?
    1. +3
      29 July 2021 16: 09
      There was a squadron Normandie-Niemen, and a Yak-3 in the air defense of Paris, and a Red Star Mirage at the squadron commander, so ...
      Although Keitel
      -And these, also defeated us?
      1. +5
        29 July 2021 16: 13
        There was a squadron Nomandia-Niemen

        Only the squadron was. Where were the others?
        1. +4
          29 July 2021 16: 21
          With the girls in the brothel lay
        2. +8
          29 July 2021 16: 25
          Some in the resistance, some in Charlemagne. Yes, and near Borodino they were pretty much laid in XNUMX
        3. 0
          29 July 2021 16: 40
          Quote: Xlor
          There was a squadron Nomandia-Niemen

          Only the squadron was. Where were the others?

          Regiment.

          For example, in the RAF. Well, at least you know about Exupery?
          1. +4
            29 July 2021 16: 45
            I even know about the fact that Lightning found him. Sorry for the Marquis, I could write more books.
            Look about de Gaulle and about the French naval. After surgery Dynamo. Dunkirk, if that.
            1. -4
              29 July 2021 17: 02
              Quote: perepilka
              I even know about the fact that Lightning found him. Sorry for the Marquis, I could write more books.
              Look about de Gaulle and about the French naval. After surgery Dynamo. Dunkirk, if that.

              Is your nickname "Xlor"? When / if you stop drinking, then write. It's too early for you.

              And, this ... You will "poke" your cat. If he will.
              1. +3
                29 July 2021 17: 07
                Yes, I did not seem to poke, always at you. perepilka soldier
                And this is "look"? Well, I just can't go to one in the plural, no offense?
                1. 0
                  29 July 2021 17: 12
                  Lying is bad.


                  Look
          2. -4
            29 July 2021 16: 47
            Well, at least you know about Exupery?

            I heard ...
            1. -2
              29 July 2021 17: 03
              Quote: Xlor
              Well, at least you know about Exupery?

              I heard ...

              Nope. Otherwise, there would be no silly questions "where are the others?"
              1. +1
                29 July 2021 17: 09
                Quote: Avis
                Otherwise, there would be no silly questions "where are the others?"

                I have a suspicion that you are studying the history of France from the novels of Dumas, and therefore I have no interest in discussing with You ... wink
                1. -4
                  29 July 2021 18: 59
                  Quote: Xlor
                  Quote: Avis
                  Otherwise, there would be no silly questions "where are the others?"

                  I have a suspicion that you are studying the history of France from the novels of Dumas, and therefore I have no interest in discussing with You ... wink

                  You are funny. :) Well, blurt out something else from your own buffoonery.
                  1. -2
                    29 July 2021 19: 26
                    You are funny. :) Come on, blurt out something else from your buffoonery

                    For now, you are here to amuse me. With pleasure I will listen to you again, and if you dance or sing something for me, it will be just wonderful!
                    1. -3
                      29 July 2021 19: 42
                      Quote: Xlor
                      You are funny. :) Come on, blurt out something else from your buffoonery

                      For now, you are here to amuse me. With pleasure I will listen to you again, and if you dance or sing something for me, it will be just wonderful!



                      And this here croaks a creature who knew nothing even about Exupery, not to mention "somewhere former others." Sit down and do not disgrace yourself, kid ..
                      How old are you, child?
                      1. 0
                        29 July 2021 20: 07
                        At first I thought you were an ordinary imbecile. And he even sat down more comfortably in front of the monitor - I thought that you would amuse me, and others too, with something. But you're simple .... I'm afraid to write even this word - it will be banned! Do you know what it is .....?
                      2. 0
                        30 July 2021 06: 14
                        It's not for you to call someone an "imbecile", malcheg. It was you who first publicly declared that, in principle, they were not aware of the participation of the French in WWII after the defeat of France:
                        Only the squadron was. Where were the others?

                        ... and then you try to cross from sick to healthy, starting to rave about "studying history according to Dumas", although you yourself do not even know about the textbook Exupery. Don't get away with it now.
        4. +2
          29 July 2021 18: 55
          Quote: Xlor
          Where were the others?

          Making fun of combat pilots (among whom I hope the familiar Antoine Marie Jean-Baptiste Roger de Saint-Exupery was) is not very good, and even more so over the dead / dead.
          Every fifth pilot who defended the skies of England in critical ( July - November 1940 ) for her, the moment in history was not British. The official list of the Royal Air Force includes 574 names from 15 countries of emigrants from occupied Poland, Czechoslovakia, Belgium, France, American and Irish volunteers, pilots from nine dominions and other possessions of the British Empire.
        5. PPD
          0
          29 July 2021 22: 06
          There was also a bomber regiment.
          Pe 2 tried to master.
          I tried everything, tried - so quietly back after and returned home.
  12. +6
    29 July 2021 15: 49
    Why should the Egyptian military distribute what is happening in their exercises)) and risk the plane and its pilot using 35 RB in the air? In my opinion, this is all just information stuffing. And in general, how far does the railroad work and to what radar and missiles the air -air su35? I doubt that the slave works at least half the range of the rocket and the action of the radar
    1. -8
      29 July 2021 16: 23
      Anything can be. The West recently woke up about electronic warfare systems and is seriously engaged in their development. Perhaps the Rafale has an electronic warfare system, sharpened for the Su-35.
    2. -2
      29 July 2021 18: 07
      Quote: -sa-
      how far does the Rafal rail work and at what radar and air-to-air missiles SU35? I doubt that the rail works at least half the range of the missile and the radar's actions

      And why such doubts?
      The radar must pick up a very weak signal reflected from an aircraft at a distance of hundreds of kilometers. Too lazy to count (using the support in the radar formula, the transmitter power of the su35 radar, it is not secret and was published long ago), but these are microwatts. Any weakest transmitter of an electronic warfare station emits watts, at least. Those. the signal level is several thousand times more powerful. So it would be a miracle if the radar hadn't gone blind.
      To combat electronic warfare, you have to use a bunch of different problems, and not all of them are available on radars from the FIU.
  13. +15
    29 July 2021 16: 10
    Why don't they discuss this article-
    MILITARY WATCH:
    INDIA WILL REFUSE FRENCH FIGHTERS IN FAVOR OF RUSSIAN SU-35

    India will follow the example of Egypt and will buy Russian Su-35s instead of the second batch of French aircraft, writes the American Military Watch magazine.

    Paris signed the first contracts for the sale of Dassault Rafale 4+ twin-engine fighters with Cairo and New Delhi. French aircraft could not compete with Russian ones either in price or quality on the international market, according to the American Military Watch magazine. An exclusive retelling of the material was prepared by "PolitExpert".

    France still managed to conclude several contracts thanks to India and Egypt. At the same time, it is believed that countries bought more Dassault Rafale fighters for political reasons and only a small number of aircraft for their needs. Egypt purchased 24 fighters, India - 36. Initially, New Delhi planned to buy 126 aircraft, but then reduced the order by 70%.

    The next contract was expected from Egypt. Instead of buying French fighters, Cairo ordered Russian ones, which were better in many respects. Now Egypt is armed with 46 MiG-29M aircraft and 27 Su-35 4 ++ generation units. The country will likely buy more advanced MiG-35s rather than place a second order for the Dassault Rafale.

    The cost of the MiG-29M is approximately one-sixth of that of a French fighter. At the same time, the Russian aircraft is equipped with more powerful air-to-air missiles. They became the first in the armament of Egypt with shells with a range of more than 100 kilometers. In general, the MiG-29M has better flight characteristics than the Rafale.

    At the same time, another Russian model, the Su-35, is a direct competitor to French fighters on the market. The price of the plane is comparable to its western counterpart, but in all respects it surpasses the capabilities of the Rafale. Most importantly for Egypt, the Su-35 has become a good option to defend against Israeli and African aircraft that work closely with France.

    India can work in the same direction. Its Air Force is able to greatly benefit from the purchase of the Su-35. The bulk of the air fleet already consists of Russian-made aircraft, so the new models can be easily integrated into the army.

    The Su-35 poses a potentially serious problem for the Chinese J-20, J-16 fighters, as well as for the fight against Pakistani JF-17 Block III aircraft. It is noteworthy that Russia allowed India, under license, to independently produce the Su-35, as well as modernize the Su-30MKI already in service. For example, replacing engines and radar facilities with more advanced ones.

    India's decision to purchase new aircraft models will be influenced by both political and military factors. There is also the possibility that New Delhi will not be signing contracts. It will focus on the production of its own lightweight fighter, Tejas. Later, India may buy Russian fifth-generation Su-57 aircraft, the magazine concluded.

    Earlier, Military Watch admired the capabilities of Russia's latest fighter jet to hit key ground targets. Observers called the Su-57 an "air sniper." https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2021/02/16/666987.html
    Или:
    Why Algeria abandoned the French Rafale and preferred the Russian Su-30MKA to modernize its fighter fleet. https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/why-algeria-rejected-rafale-preferred-su-30mka
    1. +6
      29 July 2021 16: 34
      the example of Egypt and instead of the second batch of French aircraft will buy Russian Su-35


      Egypt purchased the second batch of Raphales in the number increased from the base option (24 + 24).
      Egypt acquires 30 more Rafale fighters
      On April 26, 2021, France signed a new package of contracts for the supply of Egypt 30 additional Dassault Rafale fighters totaling 3,95 billion euros... It is alleged that the contract for the supply of 30 Rafale itself costs 3,75 billion euros, and two more contracts with a total value of 200 million euros relate to the purchase of weapons for these aircraft - one contract was concluded with the MBDA association, and the second was concluded with Safran Electronics & Defense (a military division by the Safran group).

      French Armed Forces Minister Florence Parley, on her Twitter account, confirmed the conclusion of a contract for the supply of 30 additional Dassault Rafale fighters to Egypt. The Minister wrote: "I welcome the sale of 30 Rafale to Egypt, a strategic partner. This export success is critical to our sovereignty and to retain 7000 industrial jobs in France over three years. Rafale is once again demonstrating its technological and operational excellence."
    2. +4
      29 July 2021 16: 38
      The Indians are already yelling that Rafali is gold by weight.
      They gave it back cheaply, decided not to bargain, jumped out of the top five.
      Well, the miser pays twice.
  14. +3
    29 July 2021 16: 16
    Does Egypt have a Su-35? There is a contract, but everything is muddy about the facts of deliveries (there are 2 copies of the roofing felts), at least I did not find reliable confirmation (maybe I was not lucky?)
  15. +5
    29 July 2021 16: 19
    Did the 35s make it to Egypt? Not to mention air battles. It seems to me that the reporters were in a hurry and this is empty noise, not based on real data. And yes, the source of the article is Indian. This is where the roots grow))))
  16. +1
    29 July 2021 16: 21
    The level of Russophobia is off the charts ...
  17. +2
    29 July 2021 16: 25
    Quote: Xlor
    Does anyone really think that some French pedik sitting at the controls of a fighter will engage in a real air battle with our pilot?

    There is no steering wheel in the fighter, as there are no pilots in our Air Force, but I agree with the rest laughing
    1. +1
      29 July 2021 16: 56
      The steering wheel is the collective name for all devices for controlling movement, just like the pilot is the one who controls. Just synonyms indicating the same lexical meaning ...
      1. +5
        29 July 2021 17: 07
        Quote: Xlor
        The steering wheel is the collective name for all devices for controlling movement, just like the pilot is the one who controls. Just synonyms indicating the same lexical meaning ...

        Not a military man, probably? Pilot and pilot are not synonyms. The pilot delivers cargo / passengers from point A to point B, and the pilot performs a combat mission - these are 2 huge differences. For the pilot, flight / departure is the goal, for the pilot it is only a means to accomplish the assigned task. These are similar but different professions. Well, that's me so, get in the way laughing
        1. +3
          29 July 2021 17: 14
          I am a civil aviation engineer. But he also served on the Tu-16. There was both a "steering wheel" and a "pilot". The pilot, by the way, was also ...
          1. -2
            29 July 2021 17: 33
            "We fly in a painted aluminum pipe" laughing
            https://youtu.be/POcd-hW18Ow?t=67
          2. 0
            29 July 2021 18: 28
            Quote: Xlor
            I am a civil aviation engineer. But he also served on the Tu-16. There was both a "steering wheel" and a "pilot". The pilot, by the way, was also ...

            We started here for a fighter, if that wink , so Tu - 16 - by. "Pilot" on Tu-16 could only be "auto", and that was called ACS, probably, like all decent people laughing And let me remind you that flying positions in the Air Force are called "pilot" (pilot, senior pilot, instructor pilot, for example). I served in the IBA, if that drinks
      2. -1
        29 July 2021 17: 28
        Yes, they have a pen. And the steering wheels in DBA and VTA
  18. +4
    29 July 2021 16: 28
    I understand that some Indians want to cover up their 5 points in investigations about the scale of corruption with Rafals, or the Poles want to believe it, but why should we discuss this fake.
  19. +2
    29 July 2021 16: 38
    This is called vyser psheka! The main thing is to shit, the stench will be a lot, everyone will feel it. Then you can apologize, they say the mistake came out, they misunderstood, but no one will notice this.
  20. +1
    29 July 2021 16: 40
    Neither one nor the other jet shines for the Poles.
    So let them wipe the burn with the foam from the worn out fangs)))

    In general, a real battle will show everything, not numbers
  21. +1
    29 July 2021 16: 52
    And what, after the battle, the pilots immediately give interviews to the Polish press, where they tell what they felt and how the battle went? Every minute.
    It's not even the bottom.
  22. -2
    29 July 2021 17: 12
    Finally, a frequency counter and antenna were screwed to the Rafale! I bet that the directional pattern of the signal from the Su-35 radar is located strictly from the tail (weaker in the tail) to the cockpit visor. and the frequency range is somewhere from 1 to 5 GHz.
  23. -7
    29 July 2021 17: 15
    Su-35 has long been outdated
    1. +1
      31 July 2021 03: 19
      Su-35 has long been outdated

      I look at Rafaley's photo and the first thought - from what years is it? The era of the MiG-21?
  24. +1
    29 July 2021 17: 15
    However, this did not become a hindrance for a number of European specialized media, which began to talk about the "superiority of Western aircraft over Russian".

    And what about the European media? Or an empty discussion of an empty discussion on VO is "you do not understand this is different!" ))
  25. +10
    29 July 2021 17: 23
    Has anyone heard of the transfer to Egypt of at least one Su-35 of the purchased by him?
    Has anyone seen at least one Su-35 in Egypt (on photos in social networks, on Google-space images)?
    No. Because there is not a single Su-35 from Egypt yet.
    And the training battles of Rafaley with the Su-35 apparently dreamed of some blogger.
  26. +4
    29 July 2021 17: 23
    There would be even the slightest confirmation of this stuffing, it would be possible to talk about something, and so onlynegative
  27. +2
    29 July 2021 17: 39
    The most important thing is not here. Do the Egyptians have a Su-35? After all, there was no information that the planes had already got there. An interesting air battle then turns out.
  28. +2
    29 July 2021 17: 52
    In general, it's funny.
    Many people here believe in the almighty Khibiny, who not only drowned out the destroyer's radars, but also turned off all the electronics there.
    But the fact that an electronic warfare station can jam the aircraft's radar and prevent it from aiming - no, this cannot be.
    1. +3
      29 July 2021 18: 14
      But the fact that an electronic warfare station can jam the aircraft's radar and prevent it from aiming - no, this cannot be.

      This cannot be, because Egypt does not have a su-35 laughing
      1. -1
        29 July 2021 18: 36
        Quote: bk316
        This cannot be, because Egypt does not have a su-35

        Well, where did you go?
        KnAAZ assembled the first batch of Su-35 fighters for the Egyptian Air Force. The planes took off from the manufacturer's airfield and headed to the European part of Russia, from where they will be delivered to the customer.

        07: 06, July 24 2020 Mr.

        1. 0
          1 August 2021 10: 43
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Quote: bk316
          This cannot be, because Egypt does not have a su-35

          Well, where did you go?
          KnAAZ assembled the first batch of Su-35 fighters for the Egyptian Air Force. The planes took off from the manufacturer's airfield and headed to the European part of Russia, from where they will be delivered to the customer.

          07: 06, July 24 2020 Mr.


          Photos from space will be or just bang?
  29. +2
    29 July 2021 18: 11
    Has anyone noticed that Egypt does not have a Su-35?
    There is a contract, but it has not been executed, and I have not found any official statements about the acceptance of the aircraft into service. There are no planes in the Air Force. Are we breaking up?
    1. 0
      29 July 2021 18: 38
      Quote: bk316
      There is a contract, but it is not executed,

      It was only not completed in full, and the planes were shipped a year ago.
      1. +2
        30 July 2021 12: 40
        It was only not completed in full, and the planes were shipped a year ago.

        Well, will you send me a link? I'm waiting.
        What they did, I saw what they would deliver before the end of 21, I saw what was put into service - no.
  30. +1
    29 July 2021 20: 33
    Experts watched the movie "hotheads"
  31. +10
    29 July 2021 20: 36
    Where did the infa come from that Egypt does not have a Su-35?
    At least 5 pieces left there last year.
    But.
    The people here joked on the Internet and could not find the original source of this very "air battle" between Rafal and Su-shka. All are reprinted from each other, but the alleged "primary source" does not even talk about any duel, there is generally an article about Rafale and briefly about the Su-35.
    So there is an opinion that
    IT'S FAKE
  32. +1
    29 July 2021 20: 38
    The coolest thing is that the Egyptian Air Force does not yet have a Su-35. More precisely, all of them are still in Russia: in Zhukovsky and Komsomolsk
  33. +1
    29 July 2021 21: 57
    The Egyptian Air Force will not comment on Polish nonsense, neither will ours. What for? Let the dog bark at Uncle Fraer.
  34. 0
    29 July 2021 22: 40
    In training battles, if memory serves, the Su-30 recently lost to the Swedish JAS-39, now the Su-35 is losing to Rafal. Perhaps Western fighters have certain advantages, but they are unlikely to have superiority, and even if our Su-shki were bad, every manufacturer would hardly be PR against them. hi
    1. -4
      29 July 2021 22: 59
      It's not a question that Sushki are bad, but that Rafale and Gripen are excellent fighters. They + Typhoon have full-fledged supersonic sound without afterburner, advanced avionics, reduced EPR. Therefore, the availability of the Su-57 in commercial quantities is so important. Su-30/35 are excellent heavy fighters, they will be relevant for more than a decade, but their time is passing.
      1. +2
        30 July 2021 08: 11
        Oh yes, Rafale with its huge wing has supersonic without afterburner, supersonic is direct to all supersonic.
        1. -1
          30 July 2021 08: 32
          Yes, it has. Up to 1,4M with 6 MICA rockets or similar load. Confirmed more than once.
          Again, you are completely incompetent in this topic. What's worse is belligerently incompetent and don't want to broaden your horizons. Prejudice and obstinacy get in the way.
          1. 0
            30 July 2021 08: 37
            Well then, the Su-35 will be worn without afterburner 1.6 no less.
            1. 0
              30 July 2021 08: 44
              Su-35 has a confirmed speed without afterburner up to 1,1M. It is without gimbal and is not considered supersonic.
              1. 0
                30 July 2021 08: 47
                Do you generally understand that all these machines have approximately the same thrust-to-weight ratio, and the Su-35, due to its size in this regard, is generally among the leaders?
                1. 0
                  30 July 2021 08: 51
                  Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                  Again, you are completely incompetent in this topic. What's worse is belligerently incompetent and don't want to broaden your horizons. Prejudice and obstinacy get in the way.

                  I have nothing more to add. That's all.
                  1. 0
                    30 July 2021 09: 04
                    Because you have nothing to answer in essence. And so there is such an anecdote:
                    - Doctor, my neighbor says he can 8 times a night.
                    - Well, you say.

                    If we accept the data on the Su-35 as not in doubt, since all the planes before it flew somewhere at 0.9M, sometimes someone jumped into supersonic, then it turns out that either the Rafale's engines are so much more perfect that give a lot of thrust without afterburner. Not by interest, exactly at times, since an increase in speed by 1.3 times is a fig and more. To put it simply, the air resistance is proportional to the cube of the speed. Or the aerodynamics of the Rafale can significantly reduce drag. With 4 rockets and an outboard tank. And with a huge wing, a larger "typhoon" has a smaller wing, because it is designed for interception and speed.

                    Indeed, only amateurs are sitting in the Sukhoi Design Bureau and for some reason they make the Su-57, which is optimized for supersonic flight, including by removing the weapons inside. And the F-22 did the same as its engines, which, without the afterburner, give out huge thrust.
                    1. nks
                      +2
                      30 July 2021 09: 28
                      Quote: EvilLion

                      If we accept the data on the Su-35 as beyond doubt

                      What data? 1,1M is a trance sound
                      Quote: EvilLion

                      since all the planes before him flew somewhere at 0.9M,

                      Study the materiel. There is nothing unique here, although the Su-35 has really good flight characteristics.


                      Quote: EvilLion
                      To put it simply, the air resistance is proportional to the cube of the speed.

                      Oh, everyone. Again, these experts, talking about aerodynamics, and at the same time do not know school physics.
                      1. +1
                        30 July 2021 17: 32
                        I know that 1.1M is a trance sound, the question is, there is a huge difference between 1.1M without afterburner and 1.4M without afterburner.

                        Study the materiel. There is nothing unique here, although the Su-35 has really good flight characteristics.


                        What materiel? That the Tu-128 could hold the 1.2M at 11000 m? Or that 1.2M without afterburner got back in the 50s? Yes, and the MiG-23, they say, could catch on 1M. The fact is that all these are isolated cases, and the Su-35 has an exceptionally high thrust-to-weight ratio, but for some reason it does not pretend to be higher than 1.1M.

                        However, a little study of the issue shows that the Rafale received 1.4M on the Rafale A prototype with F404 engines, and the plane did not have a bunch of equipment, it is clear that they would do something with the weight distribution, but to argue that the serial Rafale became so much faster than the Su-35 , this is the same as ascribing to the serial F-15 the characteristics of a lightweight specimen, which was dispersed to 3000 km / h, or to ascribing the characteristics of the P-27 version specially made for setting records to the Su-42.

                        And the same Englishmen, in their statement about the super cruise, refers to the French murzilka in which it is written for some reason that this is the Naval version that can do that. Actually, deck ships are always heavier, but apparently no one will buy so you can write whatever you want.
                      2. nks
                        0
                        30 July 2021 18: 30
                        > that all these are separate cases, and the Su-35 has an exceptionally high thrust-to-weight ratio, but for some reason it does not pretend to be higher than 1.1M

                        Read about such a narrowly known aircraft as the Concorde. He crossed the Atlantic in the most non-afterburning M2 supersonic with thrust-to-weight ratio <0,5 and wing loading similar to that of Raphael

                        > However, a little study of the issue shows that the Rafale received 1.4M on the Rafale A prototype with F404 engines

                        Where did you get this?

                        > And the same English people
                        > And with a huge wing, the larger "typhoon" has a smaller wing,

                        You at least read this wiki (at least some)
                        Typhoon has more wing area than Raphal

                        > French murzilka in which it is written why
                        This is not a murzilka about the official press release of Dassault for the exhibition, a similar statement is in official fox13 magazines.
                      3. +1
                        31 July 2021 00: 54
                        If we talk about the "Concorde", then its afterburner does not differ much from the maximum, while the "Concorde" is optimized strictly for one mode - many hours of supersonic flight, that is, it has all the aerodynamics adjusted to this, like the engines, and specifically reaching the required thrust for a given speed at a given height.

                        However, without afterburner, he accelerated very sucks.

                        Fighters fly in very different modes, but inside themselves, as a class, they still perform more or less similar functions and, at the same technical level, have similar characteristics. At Rafale, with a rather weak thrust on the afterburner, the non-afterburner thrust is noticeably closer to the afterburner than in the Su-35, and, possibly, a little higher thrust-to-weight ratio (the Su-35's weight of 19 tons is doubtful, it is very likely that it is less), while the load is lower on the wing and charms, like a refueling boom sticking out in the stream. That is, physically there is no reason not to fly at 1.4M with missiles and a tank (!), But simply to fly much faster than the Su-35.

                        This is not a murzilka about Dassault's official press release for the exhibition


                        This is called a murzilka. Lies are not uncommon in advertising brochures.

                        A very funny episode in this regard occurred when ours in 1944 captured the "royal tigers" with instructions in which the maximum speed was written as much as 44 km / h (how is it even possible, the last gear is such an overdrive?). I have a Soviet book of 1973 at home, where this number is simply copied, as well as the caliber of the gun of the British comet in 77 mm (76.2, and 77 is the marking of the shells so that stupid people do not get confused). Well, on a flat road, it did not work to accelerate the CT faster than 25 km / h.
                      4. nks
                        0
                        31 July 2021 11: 40
                        The Concorde example just shows you that your ideas about aerodynamics and aircraft design are rather primitive and far from reality.
                        Do I understand correctly that you think that a decrease in wing loading leads to a decrease in dynamic performance?
                        Once again, the example of the Su-35 has nothing to do with the topic, like your bike about German tanks. Proof that I can't ride a bike just because you're good at skating is from an alternate reality. The Rafal was designed to have an afterburner supersonic, like the Concorde, but the Su-35 was not. I could just say that the 1,1M su-35 is a lie, because it was some pilot who stirred it up somewhere (he also has no public business reputation to value it), but I will not be like you ... F-1,1, F-1,2 and mirage15 can accelerate to 16M (even up to 2000M) without afterburner in an empty configuration, this is not supersonic and has no practical meaning, especially since it was an experienced Su-35. And first, just learn to read carefully (I don't want to think that you are just lying) - you constantly read in the sources what is not written there.

                        Quote: nks
                        This is not a murzilka about the official press release of Dassault for the exhibition, there is a similar statement in the official fox13 magazine.

                        Here I messed up something in a hurry. The fox3 magazine is called.
        2. nks
          +1
          30 July 2021 09: 24
          Hmm, do you doubt it? What do you mean by "huge wing" and how does this interfere with "supersonic without afterburner"?
          1. 0
            30 July 2021 17: 34
            By a huge wing, I mean a very large wing area for its size, which is the main source of resistance.
            Your cap.
            1. nks
              0
              30 July 2021 18: 22
              > very large for its size
              That is, you are not able to clothe your statement in the form of a technical term?
              1. 0
                31 July 2021 12: 14
                Well, open the directories and see.
      2. +2
        30 July 2021 11: 17
        "have a full-fledged supersonic sound without afterburner, advanced avionics, reduced EPR" Burn more, especially hung with PTB and missiles.
    2. +1
      30 July 2021 09: 11
      Quote: Azimuth
      if our Su-shki were bad, it is unlikely that every manufacturer would be promoting themselves against their background

      This is the only thing that is and with which you can practically compare. In addition to our Dryers, there are also Chinese, but they are not available, and the real performance characteristics are not known.
      Quote: Azimuth
      if memory serves, the Su-30 recently lost to the Swedish JAS-39,

      Generally not surprising, these are machines from different centuries.
  35. 0
    29 July 2021 23: 21
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    It's not a question that Sushki are bad, but that Rafale and Gripen are excellent fighters. They + Typhoon have full-fledged supersonic sound without afterburner, advanced avionics, reduced EPR. Therefore, the availability of the Su-57 in commercial quantities is so important. Su-30/35 are excellent heavy fighters, they will be relevant for more than a decade, but their time is passing.
    In Rafale and Eurofighter / Typhoon, more modern technologies are implemented, not only in comparison with Su-shki, but also with similar Americans. JAS-39 is very advanced, but he is of a different class, we do not have his classmates.
    The fighter is just the tip of the iceberg, the Europeans, despite the cry of their warriors for each new financial year and the articles they say, how everything is bad in their army, and the Russians are just about, just a little bit more, well, almost right now, they are already cominglaughing in reality, more than in the Air Force and Air Defense. There are still different and, in my opinion, more correct approach and logic in military development, and all this is crowned with rather advanced technologies, we are inferior to both them and the states.
    1. 0
      29 July 2021 23: 29
      Quote: Azimuth
      There are still different and, in my opinion, more correct approach and logic in military development, and all this is crowned with rather advanced technologies, we are inferior to both them and the states.

      If we talk about the Air Force and Air Defense, our main problem is the scanty number of AWACS aircraft and tankers. There really is pain. And so yes, the "threat" is so great that Europe, as it reduced its armies, continues so. The line of defense is given to the brothers Slavs.
    2. 0
      30 July 2021 08: 23
      The Su-35 began to be developed in 2005, the Rafale does not have any more modern technologies, initially there was a PFAR, from 2012 they began to put AFAR, that is, at about the same time as they began to build the Su-35. And this new radar has been developing for 10 years. Only on the Su-35 and the radar is purely energetically more powerful, and by smearing the radiation with AFAR it is possible, of course, to control more flexibly, but each beam will be so-so in power. JAS 39 just goes through the forest, a low-power and old radar, if we talk about a modern one, then we must remember the latest upgrades of "typhoons" to AFARs, despite the fact that the first versions of this aircraft simply did not know how to attack ground targets, they carried such primitive avionics.

      Here is the Su-30SM, which is a variation of the 30 Su-1999MKI with the same radar - yes, it cannot be considered modern, and in 2014 it already looked so-so.
  36. +1
    30 July 2021 00: 00
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    And so yes, the "threat" is so great that Europe, as it reduced its armies, continues to do so. The line of defense is given to the brothers Slavs.
    I don't quite agree with this assessment.
    Two examples, the Italian Armed Forces and ours.
    Italy renounced general conscription and conscription, the army is recruited on a professional basis. And now look at the number BEFORE and AFTER, of course, it has decreased, but the decline in numbers is accompanied by a qualitative increase.
    Now let's say a word about our regiment. We did not refuse the draft, but with the collapse of the USSR and demography, we have decreased the number of the Armed Forces, but now due to the mixed recruiting system, the number of posts staffed with professionals under contract has increased, that is, also qualitative growth. If earlier in a motorized rifle platoon conscripts had to rely only on 4-6 fighters, taking into account the platoon commander, and for example, in an engineering unit of the same size, there were generally 2, commander and warrant officer, now the situation is different, although far from ideal, because we for the most part, professional armies are opposed, and there platoons, companies and battalions are full-fledged in terms of quality and, accordingly, with superiority due to this.
    They have a similar situation in the Air Force and Air Defense, although usually the latter are part of the Air Force.
    1. -2
      30 July 2021 08: 10
      You have brain contractility.
  37. 0
    30 July 2021 03: 26
    "Was there a boy"!? - especially in the Polish version.
  38. +1
    30 July 2021 07: 19
    The Su-35 has its own jamming station - which is necessary, which turns on automatically in case of a threat.
  39. -1
    30 July 2021 08: 09
    Is it forbidden to use OLS on the Su-35? And the radar on the Su-35 does not detect the direction of interference? Will there be rules for exercises, actions of pilots, etc.? Although what I'm asking about, you just have to believe the meaningless murzilki.
  40. 0
    30 July 2021 09: 35
    Nowadays, everyone lies by design or bewilderment. Time is like that. But it always ends with the moment when everyone grasps at straws and wants to understand reality. The ability to see and understand the real world and processes is not the lot of many.
  41. +2
    30 July 2021 10: 01
    Thales spectra


    System of protection and prevention of enemy fire control for Rafale
    provides long range detection, identification and precise localization of infrared, radio frequency and laser threats. The system includes a radar warning receiver, laser warning and missile approach warning for threat detection, and a phased array radar suppressor and threat countermeasures device.
    The SPECTRA system consists of two infrared missile attack warning sensors (Détecteur de Départ Missile Nouvelle Génération). Next Generation Missile Warning System (DDM NG)
    The DDM NG includes a new array infrared detector that improves the range at which a missile launch will be detected (with two sensors, each equipped with a fisheye lens, the DDM NG provides a spherical field of view around the aircraft).
    So the information is quite reliable and thoughtful.
    1. 0
      30 July 2021 17: 35
      Everyone has it. What's next?
  42. mva
    +1
    30 July 2021 11: 02
    And what is surprising in the fact that the aircraft with AFAR wins the battle against the aircraft with PFAR? AFAR provides many advantages, one of which is the difficulty of dealing with it with electronic warfare means.
  43. +1
    30 July 2021 11: 47
    Something from the series - fantastic stories. And someone reads and believes in this nonsense ...
  44. -1
    30 July 2021 12: 13
    After an international verification of this fact, it turned out to be the opposite. The Russian plane "destroyed" the French Rafale from a long distance and announced victory, he was demanded not to drown out the air and disconnect the connection. Subsequently, this shutdown was considered the destruction of radio communications and electronics on a Russian plane. After this incident, Egypt decided to buy a large batch of 35 SU-20s from Russia, but at the moment Russia cannot supply them, as there is a long queue for them!
  45. 0
    30 July 2021 13: 05
    The training battle continues on the pages of Zen :)
  46. 0
    30 July 2021 13: 28
    AFAR is much more resistant to the influence of REB than PFAR. How and how did the OLS work?
    Hotelos bi something is official from the Egypt Air Force.
    Finally, the Egypta Air Force has no SU-35SE on the moem!
  47. 0
    30 July 2021 13: 46
    Well, of course Poland is a leading country in the aircraft industry and of course their experts are the best in the whole world)))
  48. 0
    30 July 2021 13: 51
    I remembered the advice of an experienced motorist - the first thing to do in case of engine failure is to check the presence of fuel in the tank. I mean that the last 2 years
    I read in the media about Egypt's intention to acquire the Su-35. Question .... did the Su-35 appear in service with the Egyptian Air Force? If not, then talk about air combat between Rafal and Su-35 is meaningless ...
  49. AML
    0
    30 July 2021 16: 00
    Quote: Avior
    Only afar radars are much more anti-jamming

    Why is that? Rather, the pfar is more protected, since the rotation of the mirror is mechanical.
  50. 0
    30 July 2021 17: 12
    Even if the Rafale is superior, this is a decisive moment with the avionics upgrade. So it is not clear that the Poles are happy, not producing a single aircraft)
  51. 0
    30 July 2021 17: 31
    In Polish heads, they had long conquered Russia with the Abrams.
  52. 0
    30 July 2021 17: 33
    Quote: EvilLion
    You have brain contractility.

    Perhaps, to each his own. On the one hand, I am not a supporter of a completely professional army, but on the other hand, it would be more interesting for me to have a few more double basses in addition to the ensign, rather than taking the rap with the ensign for a “platoon” unit. Now they exist, and it’s much easier for those who are in my position. The army, when recruiting conscripts, is a SCHOOL, it is, by and large, a training course. An officer in such conditions is more of a teacher, preparing a mobile reserve is an important matter, but the work also needs to be done, and often there is no one.
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  55. +1
    31 July 2021 13: 09
    No matter what Pan, Gultai is without a stake and a yard!!! But - “Pan” - ambition and aplomb - this is a national trait of the Poles from century to century!!!
  56. 0
    31 July 2021 13: 52
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    You just wrote that it’s okay to turn on the radar. I wonder why it is needed then?
    You misunderstood the post a little, Volkof wrote that during an attack the radar is not turned on and noted that it would be good to compare
    OELS systems of two aircraft in a real confrontation from different angles...
    . which would be really interesting.
  57. 0
    31 July 2021 14: 56
    The Rafal pilot jammed the SU-35 radar by shouting “Help!”
  58. 0
    31 July 2021 19: 25
    Quote: Popandos
    I would also like to know where the Polish pilots were on Polish-made aircraft at that time?

    DON'T STRUGGLE FOR THE RHYME. :)
  59. 0
    31 July 2021 19: 32
    Quote: 501Legion
    it is necessary to ban VO on the publication of any vyser from the Poles.

    Yes, and the vysery fluttering Prokhvessorov too.
  60. 0
    31 July 2021 19: 36
    Quote: Avis
    Quote: Xlor
    There was a squadron Nomandia-Niemen

    Only the squadron was. Where were the others?

    Regiment.

    For example, in the RAF. Well, at least you know about Exupery?

    And how many did he shoot down?