Themselves invented and themselves were scared: vaccine myths

Source: artefaktor.ru

New strains - new percentages

At the end of July, more than 35 million citizens in Russia received at least one component of the coronavirus vaccine. About 21 million people have already been fully vaccinated, most of them with Sputnik V. For a country with a population of 146 million, this is very little - not even 15%.

Surprisingly, this coincides with the proportion of those vaccinated worldwide. In this sense, Russia is in a global trend. Meanwhile, reality sets completely impossible tasks. Rospotrebnadzor and the Ministry of Health speak about herd immunity in 80%. The Russians will have to make an almost fourfold jump by November, and this is a completely unrealistic date.

Despite a twofold increase in the rate of vaccination in the next month and a half, we can see a serious decrease in the increase in herd immunity. The thing is that now the most responsible, suggestible, reasonable and loyal are being instilled. Well, or just those who were forced by a business necessity.

Over time, the proportion of unvaccinated people who profess the mantra "show me the law, where it is written about compulsory vaccination" will grow. I personally had a conversation with an employee who agreed to Sputnik V only after the introduction of an emergency regime throughout the country. However, a week later he himself ran to the vaccination room. Succumbed to propaganda, common sense, or just scared?

At the same time, the proportion of people for whom the vaccine is contraindicated for medical reasons will also increase.

Source: fb.ru

By autumn, the country will find itself in a difficult situation.

On the one hand, the rate of vaccination will drop, on the other hand, people will go to work en masse, which means they will be locked in rooms. To this we add the traditional surge of autumn respiratory diseases. And access to schools for children who perfectly tolerate the infection according to the scheme "from a school desk to a family dinner." The state will have to either significantly tighten restrictions on the unvaccinated, or introduce a partial lockdown.

A simultaneous scenario of these two options is likely. And this is far from purely Russian know-how. Countries that have reached the 50% vaccination threshold have seen a marked decline in vaccination rates.

For example, Germany with 49,88% vaccinated with two components on July 27. Statistics show that exactly a month ago, more than 333 thousand people were vaccinated per day, and on July 27 - only 101 thousand. This is a three-fold drop, which will only grow.

In the UK, with 55% vaccinated in the same period, a fourfold drop in the number of daily vaccinations. If the decline continues at the same pace, then Europe will have to take completely unpopular and undemocratic measures.

Myths that scare us

Hesitant citizens who voluntarily refuse vaccination explain their decision in different ways.

Some hope that the infection will bypass them, and they will wait out the viral tsunami in the notorious 20% of the unvaccinated. Largely because of such hesitant and determined opponents of the vaccine, we run the risk of joining together in 2022 on high alert. Of course, we got used to this notorious readiness for a year and a half, but there is absolutely no desire to live with it yet.

Sociologists, journalists, and doctors are politically correct in calling the vaccine misconceptions myths. Although this phenomenon can be safely called gossip, which has a much greater impact on the Russian population than common sense and scientifically grounded arguments.

According to the authoritative journal Nature Medicine, our country is the world leader in anti-vaccination sentiment. About 30% of Russians approve of the vaccine, the rest either believe in a global conspiracy, or do not believe in the effectiveness of the vaccine, or are afraid of contracting COVID-19 from the vaccine itself.

Here's how to reach the 80 percent herd immunity threshold with these statistics?

It can be hypothesized that in a country with such a high proportion of people with a university education there is a chance to reach out to common sense.

An entertaining selection of folk myth-making was prepared by Alena Makarova, a molecular biologist, graduate of Kazan State University, candidate of biological sciences, head of a group at the Institute of Molecular Genetics of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Let's try together with her to debunk the most common gossip that hinder us so much from living.

"Vaccination benefits primarily the pharmaceutical giants." A dangerous myth that collapses on the simplest mathematical calculations. It would be much more profitable for pharmaceutical companies to treat us for coronavirus, rather than vaccinate us. One dose of the Sputnik V vaccination costs 900 rubles, but a drug for the treatment of a deadly companion infected with a coronavirus, a cytokine storm, costs about 50 thousand rubles. Market laws dictate a completely different disposition: first of all, we treat with expensive drugs, but we will hold the vaccine for now. Humanity, fortunately, defeated the greed for profit. However, even without such immoral steps, the world pharmaceutical giants will earn hundreds of billions from vaccines.

Fertility and Oncology

"There is no trust in the domestic Sputnik V - they did it too quickly." Indeed, in our country, much is being done at an emergency pace, and the current epic with "voluntary" vaccination is a confirmation of this. But Russia is actually lucky with Sputnik V. After all, the Gamaleya Center has been working with the Ebola vaccine for many years, has managed to register it, research it and even test it in Africa. It was on the basis of this “old” biotechnological construction that the new Russian vaccine was created. It is scary to imagine what would have happened if our scientists did not have a baseline with a ready and tested Ebola vaccine.

"Cancer can be the result of vaccinations." This is out of the question, since the Sputnik V vaccine is based on a virus or, scientifically, a vector that causes a person to catch the common cold. That is why many, after vaccination, get sick for a couple of days with a high fever and a runny nose. The highlight of the vaccine is the load in the form of genetic information about the "thorn" of the coronavirus. For the last year and a half, probably everyone has already learned that the uniqueness of SARS-CoV-2 is in this notorious "thorn". Actually, the vaccine teaches our immune system the correct communication with such "thorns". Neither the “spike” itself, nor the vector (virus) that delivered it to the cell, is incorporated into human DNA and does not affect it. This means that they are not able to cause the transformation of cells into malignant tumors. After all, the world has been successfully working with such biotech vaccines for over 50 years and has proven to be harmless.

Source: mos.ru

"After vaccination, there will be no children or they will be born unhealthy." First, at the moment there is not a single reliable study on the negative effect of Sputnik V vaccines on the ability to reproduce. Second, the myth is based on two misconceptions. One gifted blogger read the concept of "sterilizing immunity" and threw it out on the Internet with indignation. And off we go.

"Sterilizing immunity" means that a person who possesses it is not able to become infected at all. This, of course, is rare, but it happens, but it has nothing to do with reproductive function. More meticulous debunkers of the worldwide conspiracy have unearthed an article on the "contraceptive vaccine." This is generally a purely veterinary term describing a way to artificially limit the number of wild animals by tetanus toxin infection. As they say, they heard the ringing ...

And a couple of common myths / gossip.

"If I get a vaccine during an epidemic, I will dramatically increase the chances of getting infected." Of course, the first few days after vaccination, it is better to take care and not walk left and right without a mask. But exactly the same requirements are imposed on everyone now - this is the new reality. The vaccine does not work on an on-off basis and is not 100% guaranteed. Real immunity will develop in a few weeks after two vaccinations. Without vaccinations, a person in the midst of an epidemic has only one option for obtaining immunity - through natural infection. Only the chances of getting out of this state are different: someone will die guaranteed, someone will get a bunch of side diseases, and someone will really come out with a high titer of antibodies.

And, finally, one of the crown delusions.

"Sputnik V" is not the best vaccine, it is not for nothing that WHO has not yet approved it. " At the moment, 6 vaccines have been approved globally: Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, Janssen, Sinovac and Sinopharm. Sputnik V developers are now preparing documents for registration at the WHO level. This is a long and difficult matter, and in Russia there is still no sufficient experience of working with such cases. Companies that kick open the doors to WHO naturally get approval first. Because these companies are Western, and because there is a lot of money circulating there.

Or do you want all your energies to be thrown into unnecessary WHO approval, rather than the deployment of large-scale vaccine production?

This is a matter of priorities. And in Russia they are chosen correctly. After all, Sputnik V has already been approved in 68 countries. And the completely European San Marino was generally saved from the pandemic only due to the Russian vaccine. For some reason, few people in our country remember this Western experience.

Comments

[Far B]

They came up with it and got scared by themselves

At first I thought it was an article about who spent the whole last year in the bunker. But no, this is an ode from the vaccine adept. Only all these calls are not convincing. They don't convince - that's all. It will be weak. Because you read the angry rebuffs from epidemiological scientists (starting with the simplest - during an epidemic, vaccination is not carried out, this is an axiom in epidemiology, and ending with the fact that not a single vaccine has yet passed all the necessary stages of testing), and it becomes clear that something is wrong with this covid. If you pick an informer that the main Rospotrebnadzor Popova has her own share in the KoviVak patent - no, obviously something is wrong. You go out into the street, where people are already violating the impudent mask regime (and the guardians of this ... how is it ... the law for such violations already do not care), and nothing, there is no jump, well, anyway, something is wrong! And then you will try to knock down the numbers) at what infectiousness / mortality the epidemic is considered an epidemic, and a pandemic - a pandemic) and, like it or not, you conclude that the hysteria was thrown in the heat of the moment.

[carstorm 11]

Firstly, this is not an epidemic, but a pandemic. Different terms. Secondly, the whole world seems to be vaccinated stupidly. And in the third, there is no jump? Did you fly off the ground for two months somewhere? Two months ago in Khabarovsk there were 30 people who turned white a day. Last month over 300. Actually, like throughout the country. And what does mortality have to do with defining a pandemic and an epidemic in general?

[Far B]

Firstly, this is not an epidemic, but a pandemic. Different terms. Secondly, the whole world seems to be vaccinated stupidly.

Your opinion is very important to me, yes. Only someone here and there sometimes disagrees with you:

Pandemic (Greek πανδημία "the whole people") is an unusually strong epidemic that spread over the territory of countries, continents; the highest degree of development of the epidemic process

Secondly, the whole world seems to be vaccinated stupidly.

Vaccines, which are right now, are they still in the testing phase? Of course not. This is very clever. (And, by the way, it's not worth talking about the whole world - if 55% are vaccinated in the same British, then this is clearly not all of Britain, is not it?)

And in the third, there is no jump?

And what, in Khabarovsk, exactly two months ago, they suddenly stopped wearing masks? Or have they violated the mask regime before? Or would you like to remind you how a year ago, at the thousands of Furgalov rallies, people gathered without masks and observing social distance - and the incidence rate was falling? Do you, in general, know about the seasonality of viral diseases? Or did you just want to insert your weighty word?

[carstorm 11]

Nothing then fell, but it grew once. Secondly, during an epidemic, vaccination is not carried out, it is an axiom in epidemiology that I did not say, but you. Thirdly, about the difference, I told you the epidemic is isolated by a country or region. Pandemic is countries and continents. To put it simply. Seriousness has nothing to do with it.

[Far B]

Then nothing fell, but it grew once

Remind you the numbers, "Khabarovsk"?

Secondly, during an epidemic, vaccination is not carried out, it is an axiom in epidemiology that I did not say, but you

Of course I am. And you said that a pandemic and an epidemic are different terms, to which I gave you a quote, from which, if you include a thought, you can understand that they are about the same different as a meter and a kilometer, i.e., different in scale, but in essence they mean the same thing. Actually, in the quote I have given in Russian and white it is written that a kilometer is a very long meter a pandemic is a very severe epidemic. So vaccination during a pandemic is all the more impossible.

[carstorm 11]

What ? It all started on July 11th, and it seemed to grow throughout July. By a strange coincidence, in August so many people were no longer there and the curve went down) and in September there were even fewer people and even more downward. I don't need to be reminded. This circus I used to swear and see every day. As for the pandemic, it is an epidemic, but it’s big, it’s strange that they even originated from essentially different expressions. And they mean different things. Your chicken is coming out, it's a sooooo big egg. But this is me finding fault)

[Civil]

Stop lying to yourself:
1. Vaccination has been used since at least the 19th century. And completely successful.
2. The lower the intelligence of the nation, the more against vaccination. This is especially evident in the example of the degradation of the population of the Russian Federation.
3. Not only the salary has slipped to Black Africa, but also the general intellectual level.
4. Everything is logical.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Civil

3. Not only the salary has slipped to Black Africa, but also the general intellectual level.

And the lower the general intellectual level of the region, the more they support Putin and Edro, the authorities will continue to destroy education. A thinking person is dangerous for this power!

[Civil]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And the lower the general intellectual level of the region, the more they support Putin and Edro, the authorities will continue to destroy education. A thinking person is dangerous for this power!

But this is not a reason not to get vaccinated. There is also a classic vaccine from the Chumakovsky center. If hi-tech from the Himalea is really scary. People are dying, and the insane anti-vaccination aunts (by the way, they are the overwhelming majority in the election commissions) send each other in the votzap such examples of medieval obscurantism that already for the future of Russia it becomes really scary.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Civil

But this is not a reason not to get vaccinated.

Of course not a reason. Many obscurant statements about vaccination are just side effects of the degradation of education, which is introduced from above. And on vaccination, I wrote to you below.

[Vasia]

Quote: Civil

People are dying, and the insane anti-vaccination aunts (by the way, they are the overwhelming majority in the election commissions) send each other in the votzap such examples of medieval obscurantism that already for the future of Russia it becomes really scary.

Is this a sketch, or proofs? Sounds like a liberal or bot hysteria, but hopefully I'm wrong.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And the lower the general intellectual level of the region, the more they support Putin.

You can’t sleep or eat without Putin! Is this your indicator of intellectual level? Actually, the article deals with the fight against the covid-19 coronavirus pandemic. As they say -Tell me whose Crimea and I will tell you who you are.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Oh, excuse me, I didn’t touch your "nyprichemysh" on purpose.)))))

Maybe it's not my "favorite" Putin, but your Maidan struggle for the communists, for the revolution of dignity, for the destruction of Russia? So chi no? "We will destroy the whole world of violence!" ... Why? You are straight Bulgakovsky "hero of a dog's heart"

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: 30 vis

for the destruction of Russia

Your idols are destroying it quite successfully without me, at least take a look at the demography.

[ANB]

... at least look at demographics.

I have 4 children, my sister has 3. Most of my friends also have 3.
Russians and Tatars.

[Beringovsky]

Quote: ANB

... at least look at demographics.

I have 4 children, my sister has 3. Most of my friends also have 3.
Russians and Tatars.

What difference does it make how many children you personally have, is it really about that? Here we are talking about the situation in the whole country.
TFR - the average birth rate, that is, children per woman in Russia is 1,579 for 2018. Simply put, this is the number of children per family. Which 3, which 4? One and a half children per family, didn't you want to?
According to preliminary data from Rosstat, the population of Russia in 2020 decreased by more than 0,5 million people, decreasing to 146,24 million. And if not for the influx of migrants, it would have been even more 688,7 thousands of people, increasing more than twice from 316,2 thousand people in 2019. This is almost a record and the biggest failure since 2005. And this is also the data of Rosstat, which is inclined to embellish reality!
Do you still think that everything is in order with the demography in our country? Anything to object?

[carstorm 11]

Sharp jumps in one year are an anomaly. Which can be clearly seen in dynamics for 10 years. At the same time, of course, everything is bad with demography. But in which developed countries it is good with her, if even in Scandinavia she also went down to the leader in this? And social sphere will not solve this problem already. Girls just don't want to give birth. Men just take responsibility. Others have priorities. I like the other day asked my brother who will soon be 40 when he is already taking care of the child. No wife or children. And for him, work is more important and freedom. That's all. At the same time, my daughters love him wildly and he loves them.

[Beringovsky]

firstly, I'm not sure that Russia should be ranked on a par with Sweden or Holland. We are different, both in terms of living standards and social development.
Secondly, in relatively well-fed years, there was an increase in TFR (fertility per woman) - from a record low 1,294 in 2005, before 1,777 in 2015. Almost one and a half times! So the reason is not at all.
The reason is the fall in the real incomes of families, which is clearly seen in the fall in consumer spending, the growth of uncertainty about the future, just in general in general nervousness.
The same mother capital of 430 thousand ($ 14 thousand) in 2014 and 640 thousand ($ 8 thousand) in 2021 is a very different amount. All this taken together makes people abandon children.

Quote: carstorm 11

... One of these days I asked my brother who will soon be 40 when he will take care of the child. Neither wife nor children ..

Well, your friend has it, but the commentator above has the opposite.

Quote: ANB

... at least look at demographics.

I have 4 children, my sister has 3. Most of my friends also have 3.
Russians and Tatars.

So what?
By the way

Quote: carstorm 11

Sharp jumps in one year are an anomaly. Which can be clearly seen in dynamics for 10 years.

No leaps, consistent increase in fertility since 2005, and same consistent decline since 2015

[ANB]

... Do you still think that everything is in order with the demography in our country? Anything to object?

I made a personal contribution to demography.
And if the demography in our country is not in order, then why are you sitting on the site and not doing business? The state itself does not give birth to children.

[Beringovsky]

Well, you somehow manage to make a personal contribution to demographics, sitting on the site?
Why are others worse?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: ANB

I made a personal contribution to demography.
And if the demography in our country is not in order, then why are you sitting on the site and not doing business? The state itself does not give birth to children.

I made the same personal contribution to demography, I have five children. But this is not about that, but about what is worth raising these five.

[Vasia]

Quote: Beringovsky

Here we are talking about the situation in the whole country.

Everyone suffered a lot, Lost everything, it would be strange if it were different. But in this ... we look pretty good (cited data earlier): In Russia since 1991 - minus 1,4%, in Ukraine - minus 20%, Estonia - ≈ minus 15%, Lithuania - minus 30%, Latvia - minus 27 %.

[Beringovsky]

So they have no border with the EU. In the EU, the level of salaries is several times higher, so they ran there whoever they could.
Fertility has nothing to do with it.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Your idols destroy her and without me successfully enough

I have no idols. There are people to whom I respect, or without it. The latter include the leaders of the communists who betrayed their people and country. Break not build! Here you are, what have you built yourself in your life !?

[Vladimir Mashkov]

It seems to be abstract, but this is about this and other topics.

For some time now I made a sad discovery for myself ...

How right was the famous writer who spoke about the two troubles of Russia! Time goes by, the situation with the roads is improving, but the "second trouble" is not decreasing. No, most Russians, of course, are smart. What they constantly confirm with their successes in life, science, sports, the development of Russia, and in the elections. But the "second trouble" remains.

For some reason unknown to me, a large number of furious, irreconcilable, sometimes hysterical and, unfortunately, not very smart and competent representatives of the "second trouble" constantly gathers and clump in VO comments on certain controversial topics, creating something that is NOT typical for the entire Russian society local numerical superiority. Why is this happening? What is the reason? Mystery. Recbus. Cracksword ...

And Yevgeny Fedorov BIG thanks for this and for many recent articles. In my opinion, he confidently goes to the title of "Best author of 2021".

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Suggest to the Duma that his portraits can now be published only with a halo

You cannot draw him with a halo, he crosses himself with rings instead of the Cross.
It must be drawn with a candlestick for seven candles (seven-branched candlestick).

[Vasia]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Oh, excuse me, I didn’t touch your "nyprichemysh" on purpose.)))))

The wheel of genoth will overtake you, Kabanets)

[AlexSam]

The idiots from today's and yesterday's schoolchildren fundamentally disagree with you!)))
But seriously, the overwhelming majority of those born in the Union support Putin today. Or do you consider them (that is, us), who received Soviet secondary and, often, higher education, idiots?
And Edro, in principle, rattled no one. This is the same pack of holy people, like the Ministry of Finance, the Duma, liberalism and these ...

[Dilettante grandfather]

Do you support people who don't keep their word?

[your1970]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

Do you support people who don't keep their word?

Do you support? !!!
There was the Soviet army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KGB ..
EVERYONE(!!!!) of them gave the word "Defend the USSR !!!", and in writing. Moreover, the violation of the oath was criminalized ...
And where is the USSR now ???? How much did the words of these 4 million (!!!!!) people cost? 3 kopecks for a division, 5 for an army?
Why are they - no one raised their part, did not lead the Belovezhia Trinity to the backyards and spank them?

[Dilettante grandfather]

And you, dear? Did you take the oath too, or not? If yes, then, first of all, make a claim to yourself. And if not, then you and I have nothing to talk about.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: your1970

EVERY (!!!!) of them gave the word "Defend the USSR !!!", and in writing.

But the Main Fish was more important.
And she not only let the smell out, but poisoned everything around her.

[your1970]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

And you, dear? Did you take the oath too, or not? If yes, then, first of all, make a claim to yourself. And if not, then you and I have nothing to talk about.

- the eternal excuse of those who profuked the USSR - start with yourself ... Of course, there is my fault - and I ALSO broke my oath ...
Only now it turns out

Quote: DED_peer_DED

But the Main Fish was more important.
And she not only let the smell out, but poisoned everything around her.

to blame ONE Gorbachev ... he personally walked around the country and hounded 16 million members of the CPSU ... yeah ...
It was just stupid for everyone to spit on the USSR ... and this is a fact, alas - confirmed by its collapse ...

[Essex62]

Well, not all, of course, but very many. Transformation of consciousness, in the absence of a threat.
Citizens and communists incl. delegated the authority to defend the social system to the Office, partly to the Ministry of Internal Affairs (OBKHSS) and the party leadership. And those themselves decomposed and carried out the restoration. This would never have worked for those mobilized by the war in the 50s-60s, which was shown by the quick removal of Nikita from the Kremlin stool. There was an attempt.
But society can never be in such a state all the time. Consciousness must also work. As soon as it faded away, "the process began."
And by the way, the process, he was not alone, of course, very actively spurred on. Up to physical elimination. How many of those, on whom something depended, jumped out of the windows and immediately shot themselves from three pistols.
Grassroots party organizations could change the situation, get together, analyze, understand what is pushing capitalism and strangle those who betrayed the upper ones. But it did not happen. The percentage of those who were real, and not a careerist, was already small.

[Revival]

"And Edro, in principle, rattled no one."

So someone else is already voting for him !?

[AlexSam]

Personally, I do not vote in parliamentary elections. And I think that sane people will not vote in principle. I am indifferent to the political fate of former thieves, communists, socialists, actors, TV presenters, athletes, businessmen. Just like im mine. We associate the president with Edrom, which is natural, because each party nominates its own presidential candidate. But you won't argue that the president and Edro are two big differences?

[Revival]

Yeah, a very big difference ...

[Alf]

Quote: AlexSam

But you won't argue that the president and Edro are two big differences?

But for some reason, when in 2018 Putin said that an impostor would go to the polls ... he was to blame, a self-nominated candidate, United Russia immediately announced that it would support him in everything.

[WIKI]

Quote: AlexSam

But seriously, the overwhelming majority of those born in the Union support Putin today.

Quote: AlexSam

And Edro, in principle, rattled no one.

As you have everything is contradictory. "Vladimir Putin, speaking at the congress of" United Russia ", proposed five candidates for the leaders of the party list in the upcoming parliamentary elections. RIA Novosti, 19.06.2021."

[AlexSam]

My hand washes my hand, that's why she is a politician ...

[Vasia]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

A thinking person is dangerous for this power!

You are definitely not dangerous for this government, Kabanets)

[ultra]

I absolutely agree. The pandemic has revealed the number of clinical idiots in the country and this is scary.

[Kamaz]

Sorry, not entirely clear. are those who were vaccinated or those that are not?

[Senior seaman]

Quote: Kamaz

Sorry, not entirely clear. are those who were vaccinated or those that are not?

It all depends on the point of view :)))
But what the adherents of both points of view agree on is that natural selection will intervene and "die out" :)

[dauria]

But what the adherents of both points of view agree on is that natural selection will intervene and "die out":

And the word "revaccination" does not alarm you? I felt uncomfortable. Once a week I went to the bathhouse and got another vaccination.
Something is wrong . Immunity for six months, and then again universal vaccination.
And the decision is simple - or the Duma issues a law "Everyone without exceptions to get vaccinated, refusal - up to 15 years of strict regime", or back off and do not meddle with a person. This is his business.

[DED_peer_DED]

And the word "revaccination" does not alarm you? I felt uncomfortable. Once a week I went to the bathhouse and got another vaccination.
Something is wrong

The hysteria about the coronabess came from over the hill. They forgot to send the manuals "to ours" from there, so confusion began. Then it was made clear to them that they were digging shallowly, they had to take the people by the throats faster, to do lawlessness more impudently and more often, to look more closely at the "rights of citizens", and so on. And the appetite comes with eating.
Time is running out, there is no time here, to breed antimony with cattle.

[AlexSam]

I am confused by something else: after vaccination, the thesis "The vaccine is valid for 2,5 years" was pushed, but six months later the revaccination ... I, of course, will go to the revaccination, because by the nature of my work I regularly visit the "red zone" and bear responsibility for my parents , wife and children, but this moment causes bewilderment and a number of uncomfortable questions ... but who will answer them?

[Alex2711]

And it is also embarrassing that people who already have antibodies are forced to shoot up. Apparently the people giving orders to vaccinate everyone are new to medicine. Or is all this not about medicine at all?

[ultra]

On August 2, I am inoculated with the second component.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: ultra

I am inoculated with the second component.

Fuel is the second component.

[gsev]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

Fuel is the second component.

As far as I know, it is recognized as dangerous to vaccinate a person with the necessary dose at the same time. Therefore, half the dose is administered with a delay of 3 weeks. Apparently, the vaccines will soon be three-component. Experts say straightforwardly that those vaccinated with Astrozeneca will be really protected only after receiving the third dose and preferably a vaccine made on the basis of the Sputnik, at least V, at least light. In the USA, the pfizer will be updated with its 3 component. In the PRC, a major medical worker conducted an experiment on himself at the same time being vaccinated with 3 Chinese vaccines.

[bk0010]

Quote: gsev

Therefore, half the dose is administered with a delay of 3 weeks.

That's not why. Some vaccines (Sputnik) are arranged like this: a piece of covid RNA is attached to a neutralized adenovirus. Therefore, in humans, immunity is formed mainly to this adenovirus. To increase the likelihood of the emergence of immunity specifically from covid, a person is injected with a vaccine with another adenovirus and the same piece of covid. There are vaccines from the covid itself (Kovivac), which are more effective (one shot) and safer. There is a stupid goo (Epivac), the safest, but generally without an immune response.

[Nikolaevich I]

I got the vaccine as soon as it became widely available ... I think it is necessary! I had a friend ... how good it was with him in the hot summer to drink cold beer with fish and chat "for the coronavirus"! Suddenly he fell ill ... he said that he had sat up under the conder ... I visited him ... it was the case that I "advised" folk remedies, but he was getting worse ... He died ... he was diagnosed with coronavirus ... Situation: like thunder on a clear day! For everyone ... and for family too! There is a reason to talk about medicine! We see on central TV channels how patients with suspected covid are immediately admitted to hospitals ... how doctors in the "red zones" "heroically fight" for the lives of patients! Maybe this really happens, but not in our life! In our life, you will die. like a leper (!): doctors will avoid you, you will be denied access to complex diagnostic equipment, even for money, as happened with my friend! Better get vaccinated! And then we'll see ... it won't be worse in our life, considering what the current government has turned this life into!

[restless]

I got sick, called a doctor at home, prescribed antibiotics, said you have community-acquired pneumonia - will heal and called to the clinic for an appointment, lung damage is 40 percent, I told him - can I have Covid? Nonsense, the doctor said, so I was treated for two months - I recovered, it was in July 2020, the doctor later said that I had Covid, but in order not to spoil the statistics, he wrote - pneumonia ...

[gsev]

Quote: restless

I got sick, called a doctor at home, prescribed antibiotics, said you have community-acquired pneumonia, you will recover and called you to the clinic

An acquaintance works as a meik in the medical center of the Ministry of Defense. She was also diagnosed with severe sore throat. He persuaded him to do a paid blood test - determined the covid and sent him to sick leave for a month. She was treated with breast collection No. 4 (bearberry) and a pomegranate a day, a complete rejection of sugar, coffee, chocolate, sweets. From the doctor's prescription antibiotics and blood-thinning anti-thrombosis. A month later, they kicked out to work. Perhaps now he is infecting his colleagues and patients with covid. Since I was discharged with only one negative smear. Moreover, the analysis was a profanation. The nurse barely touched the nasal mucosa with the test probe. She was ashamed to do a repeated paid blood test. There is no one on duty at work, and she was afraid that she would be considered a coward and a fake if a blood test showed covid and she would be sent to the hospital for another 2-3 weeks. The order of actions of the Chinese medical services after the patient is diagnosed with covid is interesting. All persons in contact with the patient are identified, in areas where the patient could be, general testing is carried out. The doctor who made the diagnosis of covid to one patient goes into self-isolation and will no longer accept patients with suspected covid in the foreseeable future. This information was presented to me in such a way that I thought that a doctor in the PRC who diagnosed covid in his career in the eyes of the Chinese becomes a national hero and is revered as a participant in the victorious war with covid who honestly fulfilled his duty to the Motherland.

[AlexSam]

Where are you all being treated? My mom, a retired woman, 74 years old, was found to have a covid. In the first hospital, her heart was stabilized, in the second she was returned from the dead, in the third, her lungs were corrected (there were 70% of the damage). Mom is not a thug, not a general, everything is free and on time.
Shl. It is going to be vaccinated in August.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: AlexSam

It is going to be vaccinated in August.

Obviously not from covid.

[gsev]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

It is going to be vaccinated in August.

Obviously not from covid.

If a person has had covid, then it is recommended that he take an antibody test after about 6 months. If the level of antibodies has dropped to 150-200 after the transferred covid, it is necessary to be vaccinated. I got vaccinated when the antibody level dropped from 170 in February to 48 in July. I don’t know the exact recommendations of the Ministry of Health, although the media should drum them into Russians and not information about the Olympics.

[alystan]

Health to her!
And her example is science to others!

[ultra]

My mom is 81, a shopping lover got sick two weeks ago, last Friday she passed PCR, positive immediately on CT 10% of lung damage, she has been in the hospital for a week.

[gsev]

Quote: ultra

My mom is 81, a shopping lover got sick two weeks ago, last Friday she passed PCR, positive immediately on CT 10% of lung damage, she has been in the hospital for a week.

A friend of mine had a friend's only son at work a week after he went to the hospital with a diagnosis of covid, died. He was not 25 years old. Mom is contemplating suicide. An autopsy revealed an Indian stamp.

[Essex62]

I have a similar situation. At work, we tested it once a week, on a mandatory basis. Nothing showed. Then he collapsed with a temperature of 40, called a doctor. He also sluggish analysis, left two boxes of pills, free of charge and left. After suffering for another four days with an exorbitant temperature, he nevertheless began to take the pills, although his daughter unearthed that there were side effects, that there were fleas on Barboska. He was released for 6 days and every day they called from Rospotrebnadzor and inquired about the condition. I came to check out, spent 2 hours in line, in the crowd. ARVI diagnosis. But when I returned to work, I immediately took a test, donated blood, and express laborotoria showed off-scale both groups.

[Alex2711]

The instructions for Sputnik V read:
1. The therapeutic effect is unknown.
2. No contraindications known.
3. Side effects are not known.
4. The vaccine has not passed clinical trials and has not been tested on animals.
And as a bonus - before vaccination you are forced to write a waiver of claims and take full responsibility for the consequences of vaccination on yourself.
Do you think it won't get any worse?

[Hypertension]

Quote: Civil

Stop lying to yourself

[DED_peer_DED]

Stop lying to yourself

Computers do not get sick with covid. Even without masks with gloves, they will give out 146% of the superplan and will not oynutsya.

[ecolog]

computers are for safety net. And no one canceled the good old carousels.

[gsev]

At one time, Trump was afraid to introduce a tougher lockdown, thinking that harsh antiquated events would alienate voters from his candidacy. Result of 600 dead US citizens and Trump's loss in the presidential elections. Perhaps now with V.V. Putin wants to repeat a similar trick.

[astepanov]

First, about the article: to my taste, correct, based on facts, and not on speculation. The only thing that can be blamed on the author is in his hopes that our population is very literate. But, constantly colliding with newly-minted graduates of universities, I made a strong conviction: most of them are ignorant, poorly aware of even the school curriculum. And already on VO, our "literacy" is visible in all its glory: every third, or even the second, believes that aliens are about to occupy the Earth, that movement with superluminal speed and even unsupported is quite possible that an engine or energy source with an efficiency of more than one was invented long ago, and only oil and gas companies prevent their implementation, that the United States lags behind Russia in space, in particular, thanks to the genius of all times Rogozin, that mattresses have never been on the moon, that the Jews seized all the wealth of the country and drank all the water - and if nor their malicious intent, then how would we flourish ... And - the highlight on the cake - many believe that the same Jews need to be looked for by the analysis of haplogroups, since the traditional measurement of the facial angle and the shape of the skull is not reliable enough. Finally, these gentlemen do not consider themselves fascists, which is another massive delusion.
And about the coronavirus itself: there are interesting graphs on the gogov.ru website. When comparing them, it becomes clear: a surge in the incidence with a slight delay leads to an acceleration in the rate of vaccination (obviously, to better discipline of the population), followed by a decline in the rate of spread of the infection, which, in turn, leads to a decrease in the rate of vaccination - and then cycles are repeated. Simple mechanics.

[ecolog]

Well, you have to look for reasons, but they are on the surface. Whole TV channels day and night talk about the fact that Russia is the homeland of elephants, that the Etruscans are Russians, and hemorrhoids are best treated with fresh cucumber from the garden. Highly placed gentlemen are seriously promoting Fomenko, Klyosov and the like. So why be surprised? You yourself (the country's leadership) fool the population, put the larvae of all nonsense in their head, and then "well, you must, people believe in all sorts of garbage, how is that?!?"
And also, for more than a dozen years, there has been constant anti-Soviet propaganda, which, among other things, says that it was not at all appreciated in a bloody scoop Personality, but everything is for some abstract society. The propaganda of individualism was and is in full growth. Yes, and the harsh reality today is such that you need to rely on yourself and on a limited circle of loved ones, and the state does not care about you at best.
And here on you - shoot xs than for the good of society?
Well, the scheme does not work when beautiful people constantly lie to you from blue screens, but it is here that you have to believe them.
At what they themselves are stepping on the causal place, talking about the numerous side effects of Western vaccines, thrombosis and so on. But our Sputnik is not at all like that. (even if this is so) Well, aren't they stupid people?
About the rate of vaccination - not everything is smooth here either. When the "obligation" went, the "paid" vaccination also went - when the certificate was given, and the vaccine was sent to the sink. When my acquaintances said to me, they say I was vaccinated for a fee - at first I did not enter, they say they injected an imported one (where did we get it from) and then finished it.
The population, for the most part, does not trust the authorities, and quietly (for now) hates it (the authorities). Because he sees only evil from her. Constantly some new fines, tightening, not to mention the rise in prices for everything and everyone, and after 2014, a steady decline in living standards. And here on you, a present - a vaccine for nothing and better than a bourgeois one. How is it?

[gsev]

Quote: astepanov

But, constantly colliding with newly minted graduates of universities, I made a strong conviction: most of them are ignorant, poorly aware of even the school curriculum.

In the USSR and Russia, in contrast to Western countries, in the process of a working career, a specialist practically does not undergo regular and organized retraining. Even if the industry functions tolerably well under these conditions, this speaks of the talent of fellow citizens and the quality of higher education. In addition, sometimes such a picture is observed when working together, for example, when certifying a German strain-gauge system, one expert is present on the Russian side, and five experts from the German side. Moreover, the Germans admit that the Russian counterpart is at a decent level relative to any of the five German experts. With subsequent certification, the Germans wished to deal with a person who opposed the German team.

Quote: astepanov

many believe that the same Jews need to be searched for by analyzing haplogroups, since the traditional measurement of the facial angle and skull shape is not reliable enough.

Usually a real anti-Semite or just an amateur identifies a Jew by eye and scent. For example, I watched how a purebred Pashtun was recognized (named, called) a Jew. Moreover, he endured this fact philosophically without comment and scandal with the "pseudo-expert" on Jewishness. "

[Vikxnumx]

The lower the intelligence of the nation, the more against vaccination. This is especially evident in the example of the degradation of the population of the Russian Federation.

Have you seen the results of the second stage of Sputnik 5 tests?
Half of the accustomed
side effects come out! Even in a mild form, only healthy and under the supervision of doctors were vaccinated! And in life they will stab everyone and the side will come out more abruptly!
As shown by the third stage of testing - on the entire population of the Russian Federation !!!

[Pushkar]

Quote: VIK1711

Have you seen the results of the second stage of Sputnik 5 tests?
Half of the accustomed
side effects come out!

A link, please. Facts in the studio.

[Vikxnumx]

A link, please. Facts in the studio.

https://biomolecula.ru/articles/rezultaty-1-2-faz-ispytaniia-rossiiskoi-vaktsiny-ot-covid-19
Study.

[AlexSam]

did this half of the grafted you personally put the report on the table?
I don't force myself in the gym, I smoke, I dabble in vodka (yes, yes), both vaccinations went through, as if I hadn't injected at all ...
in the article is not about you, hour?)

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: AlexSam

both vaccinations passed, as if he had not injected at all ...

Saline solution?

[AlexSam]

why? vaccine from a packaged container, opened in front of me
many colleagues stayed at home for a day or two with a fever, I somehow got carried away

[Nikolaevich I]

In Russia, the obstacles "posed" to "Sputnik \ /" in Western Europe are explained "simply" ...: 1. "Repression" for political reasons; 2. Unfair competition ...! I read an article where the situation is explained in a slightly different way ... In order for a vaccine (any!) To receive the "go-ahead" for free use in EU countries, it is necessary that the manufacturer complies with a number of rather strict EU requirements, including the requirement provide measures to control the quality of production ... "World" drug manufacturers with significant capacities can localize production at 1-2 large factories, where it is relatively easy to control the quality of products ... When the relevant EU authorities approached Russia, it turned out that vaccine production in Russia is carried out at dozens of enterprises that are in the slightest degree suitable for the production of drugs! It is extremely difficult to control the quality of a vaccine in such conditions! Moreover, representatives of the EU authorities visited one of these enterprises ... What they saw, in what conditions the vaccine is produced, led the EU representatives into a state of "quiet horror"! This explains why the EU refuses to certify the Sputnik vaccine! They say that under such conditions there is a significant likelihood that Russia will receive a significant number of "dummies" or preparations that do not correspond to the approved "recipe"! Of course, it could be a fake article too! So ... think for yourself and decide for yourself ... to inject or not to inject ... and how to inject ... But for this it is necessary to "shovel" a lot of information in order to weed out "grains" from "chaff"!

[The popuas]

To hell with the population! It's just that when you read such "propogandists" you inevitably start to doubt ..... First, at the moment there is not a single reliable study on the negative effect of "Sputnik V" vaccines on the ability to reproduce! This is a quote from the article ...

[tralflot1832]

How strange you are arguing. Welders have stopped cooking as they should or turners are turning? You judge the population, only that they do not support your point of view. Where did the people lose their intellect? You start in health, and end in peace.

[Alex2711]

The instructions for Sputnik V read:
1. The therapeutic effect is unknown.
2. No contraindications known.
3. Side effects are not known.
4. The vaccine has not passed clinical trials and has not been tested on animals.
And as a bonus - before vaccination you are forced to write a waiver of claims and take full responsibility for the consequences of vaccination on yourself.
Knowing all this, do you think we should go and inject?
And where is the logic?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: carstorm 11

As for the pandemic, it is an epidemic, but it’s big, it’s strange that they even came from different expressions in essence. And they mean different things. Your chicken is coming out, it's a sooooo big egg. But this is me finding fault)

You are approaching the problem from the wrong side. The main problem is that this vaccination is done without honey. inspection, and she has a bunch of contraindications and on the site's sites it is written about it. This add-on, mistakenly called the state, does not want to allocate money for a medical examination before vaccination, even PCR tests and those paid, and if you carry out a normal medical examination before vaccination, you will find a lot of problems for people that the authorities do not want to treat for free. The problem of vaccination is primarily in the destroyed and paid medicine, in the absence of free beds and similar things. What are these vaccinations in shopping centers, where all diseases are recorded according to the patient's words? And half of the people do not know their diseases, and if they do, they cannot treat them now, since we have an appointment with a therapist in a few days, and a narrow specialist in a couple of months.

[Civil]

The main problem is that this vaccination is done without honey. inspection, and she has a bunch of contraindications and on the site's sites it is written about it.

I do not agree, I personally went to get vaccinated, I was fully examined, sent for an antibody test, as a result, the antibodies turned out to be high and I was refused. They gave me a medical outlet for 2 months.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Civil

I disagree, personally went to get vaccinated, fully examined, sent for an antibody test,

This is not the case in the Krasnodar Territory! In Armavir, my parents were vaccinated without examination and their attending physician was not aware of and no one came to them after vaccination, and they are over 80 years old, the vaccination instructions are written with caution and under the supervision of the attending physician. In my village, where I am registered, a woman died after being vaccinated, her heart was not checked, etc. Just killed medicine and nothing else.

Quote: Civil

There is also a classic vaccine from the Chumakovsky center

I would like to be vaccinated for her, after a medical examination, of course, but so far we do not have her.

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

the woman died after vaccination, the heart was not checked

Give the name, we will check.

[aglet]

"Give the name, we will check."
and without a name you can’t? or are there so many dead that complete data must be known in order to distinguish one from the other?

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

you can't without a name?

Are you suggesting to me now to believe in these fairy tales without proof? Will your face crack?

so many dead

Where are there many of them, in Russia, in Argentina? For reasons related to satellite vaccination, exactly zero people died.

Apart from the nameless neighbors from the village where each of my friends is registered.

[aglet]

"Are you suggesting to me now to believe in these tales without proof?"
I'm not offering you anything, you volunteered to check everything. if there are only a few sick people, it is easy to find without a name, by geography.
“Exactly zero people died for reasons related to satellite vaccination.” - Are you suggesting to me now to believe these tales without proof? Will your face crack? "
Did you make this satellite, or are you selling it now? very touching concern for his reputation, and, at the same time, unobtrusive advertising

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)

Give the name, we will check.

Levitskaya Nina pos. Novolabinsky Krasnodar kr. I do not know the rest of her data. Unsubscribe regularly in this thread about the progress of the check.

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Unsubscribe regularly in this thread about the progress of the check.

For starters, let’s remember at least the middle name of the person whose cause of death you absolutely right defined as companion vaccination

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)

Let us first remember at least the middle name of a person

When I go to the village, I will definitely clarify. And by the way, here is an article in the subject, about the fact that they are checking information about the death of a whole family in the Krasnodar Territory from vaccination.
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/781716

[Spring fluff]

https://ria.ru/20210802/krasnodar-1743997353.html?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&nw=1627923719000
In Krasnodar explained the death of the family after the first vaccination against coronavirus

[aybolyt678]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Just killed medicine and nothing else.

It would be much more profitable for pharmaceutical companies to treat us for coronavirus, rather than vaccinate us. One dose of the Sputnik V vaccination costs 900 rubles, but a drug for the treatment of a deadly companion infected with a coronavirus, a cytokine storm, costs about 50 thousand rubles.

where do you see killed medicine? the price is too high ... with such a mass production the dose of vaccination cannot cost 900 rubles (for the taxpayer) and the injection of a corticosteroid can cost 50 thousand ... And since we overpay, medicine will not die!

[Alf]

Quote: aybolyt678

And since we overpay - medicine will not die!

Medicine or medical business? These are very different things ...
The meaning of medicine is to cure the patient.
The meaning of the medical business is to make money on the patient.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Alf

The meaning of medicine is to cure the patient.
The meaning of the medical business is to make money on the patient.

I used sarcasm unsuccessfully

[Alf]

Quote: aybolyt678

Quote: Alf

The meaning of medicine is to cure the patient.
The meaning of the medical business is to make money on the patient.

I used sarcasm unsuccessfully

Sorry.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Civil

The main problem is that this vaccination is done without honey. inspection, and she has a bunch of contraindications and on the site's sites it is written about it.

I do not agree, I personally went to get vaccinated, I was fully examined, sent for an antibody test, as a result, the antibodies turned out to be high and I was refused. They gave me a medical outlet for 2 months.

You have been unreasonably refused. It was necessary to insist on vaccination.

The World Health Organization (WHO) does not recommend the use of antibody tests to guide vaccination decisions. This was stated to RBC by the official representative of WHO in Russia, Melita Vuinovich.
Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/society/29/06/2021/60da2c319a794737bd8483a8

[Civil]

Quote: Sovetskiy

You have been unreasonably refused. It was necessary to insist on vaccination.

So the level is higher than most vaccinated) twice sick as soon as it subsides - without talking right away.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Civil

Quote: Sovetskiy

You have been unreasonably refused. It was necessary to insist on vaccination.

So the level is higher than most vaccinated) twice sick as soon as it subsides - without talking right away.

Good Luck! I personally do not intend to do this.

[carstorm 11]

You are notified of contraindications, and you yourself can study it as with any medicine before taking it. What's new for you, I have no idea and why, before taking the vaccine, to undergo a full physical examination too. I was vaccinated right during the lesson at school. And my opinion was not asked as well as my parents. So what? Where is your indignation that in the USSR children were vaccinated practically by force?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: carstorm 11

You are notified of contraindications, and you yourself can study it as with any medicine before taking it.

Did you carefully read what I wrote?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

What are these vaccinations in shopping centers, where all diseases are recorded according to the patient's words? And half of the people do not know their diseases, and if they do, they cannot treat them now, since we have an appointment with a therapist in a few days, and a narrow specialist in a couple of months.

Quote: carstorm 11

I was vaccinated right during the lesson at school.

And what contraindications were there in general for those Soviet vaccines with which children were vaccinated? And then there is no need to compare the USSR and those understates that thieves and traitors built on its ruins.

[carstorm 11]

And how and where then was it to be found out? And you will not believe - all vaccines have them. I have three children, I know what I'm talking about. EKto that kept statistics that could be studied? I will repeat to you they came to school and injected. Against the tick, they summoned them from the lessons. Who asked my parents? No. They learned that we were vaccinated from us. And why shouldn't I compare it? For you, this is a temple on a mountain for you, but for me, it’s just a segment of the history of Russia.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: carstorm 11

And how and where then was it to be found out?

In special medical literature. And in general, find out how and how much testing and development of vaccines were carried out in the USSR and compare this with the current understates and stop posting all sorts of nonsense.

[carstorm 11]

You post the shit. We then bought books through the delivery of muculature and you mean special editions. Calm down already. And if you read it across, then I will repeat. Parents learn about the vaccination from us after the fact.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: carstorm 11

We bought books then through the delivery of muculature and you about special editions

For especially stubborn supporters of non-states, built by thieves and traitors on the rubble of the USSR, I recall that there were a lot of books in the USSR in the free access and they cost a penny, and even special literature (technical, medical, etc.) and even more so. In addition, there were libraries and reading rooms, where there was practically everything. There was a shortage of complete collections of works by a number of authors (fiction), which were usually acquired through the factory, our trade union committee was engaged in this.

Quote: carstorm 11

And if you read it across, then I will repeat. Parents learn about the vaccination from us after the fact.

Again, for you, as for someone trying to turn the conversation aside, I repeat the question:

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And what contraindications were there in general for those Soviet vaccines with which children were vaccinated?

Also, again, for those reading diagonally:

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And in general, find out how and how much testing and development of vaccines were carried out in the USSR and compare this with the current understates and stop posting all sorts of nonsense.

[Alex2711]

The instructions for Sputnik V read:
1. The therapeutic effect is unknown.
2. No contraindications known.
3. Side effects are not known.
4. The vaccine has not passed clinical trials and has not been tested on animals.
And as a bonus - before vaccination you are forced to write a waiver of claims and take full responsibility for the consequences of vaccination on yourself.
So how were you notified of the contraindications?

[Doccor18]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

The main problem is that this vaccination is done without honey. inspection, and she has a bunch of contraindications ...
What are these vaccinations in shopping centers, where all diseases are recorded according to the patient's words?
And half of the people do not know their diseases ...

You are partly right. But I disagree with you on some points.
Vaccination is carried out only before the examination by a therapist.
No one forces you to go to be vaccinated in the shopping center. I would never get vaccinated outside a medical institution, if only because in the event of an acute allergic reaction, help may be either not very adequate to the threat, or untimely.
Without examination and elementary tests, one should not undergo treatment, prepare to become a mother, and also be vaccinated ...
People over 45 years old (without epidemics and vaccinations) must be examined at least once a year.
There are problems in health care, and they will not disappear anywhere, but this is not a reason to be frivolous about your health ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Doccor18

People over 45 years old (without epidemics and vaccinations) must be examined at least once a year.

In our provinces, a normal examination is possible only in private clinics and for money, unfortunately. And also 2 times a year, with our average salaries, it's generally sad. ((((Everything is interconnected and the situation with the covid) clearly showed this.

[carstorm 11]

Are you sure you live in Russia? And it’s just that for many years there has been a program called prophylactic medical examination. Type in this word for your region and city and you will find an easy way to get a normal check-up for free. I personally drove my mother. No queues, free and fast. She only differs by year of birth every year.

[dauria]

I personally drove my mother. No queues, free and fast

It’s more a question for you

Are you sure you live in Russia?

To pass all tests, CT, ultrasound and so on, take all the certificates from doctors (including for COVID ... and withstand all the expiration dates of these tests and certificates between the next chemotherapy sessions for cancer patients it is IMPOSSIBLE to queue up and free of charge.
So take care of your health so that in old age you do not remember your naive post about "quickly, without queues and for free"

[carstorm 11]

She went to covid. Otherwise, you can think as you like. The usual district polyclinic number 7 of the city of Khabarovsk. I went through the entire program. After it, they also informed me through SMS that I had to go through a new one, I don’t remember the details.

[Woodman]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

if you carry out a normal medical examination before vaccination, then a lot of problems will come to light among people who the authorities do not want to treat for free

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And half of the people do not know their diseases,

You haven't heard about the medical examination, have you? Up to forty - once every three years, after annually. And it's free. Or if it's not forced, then you don't need it in FIG? But this is a ready-made medical examination. Before the vaccination, he informed about his sores and either they will give you a medical treatment, or they will pick up the vaccine.
Well, if a person does not appear for this voluntary and free medical examination (like me, for example), then who is to blame for this?
I agree with the PCR.

[ultra]

Before vaccination, a questionnaire is filled out, where you indicate your sores and medications taken.

[ANB]

... The main problem is that this vaccination is done without honey. inspection,

Weird. The therapist examined me 2 times. On the day of appointment and on the day of vaccination again (although it was the next day).

[Alex2711]

And at our factory, no one examines anyone, people talk about their sores, and doctors answer: if you want a vaccine, put your hand, if you don't want to, get out of here. It's simple.

[72jora72]

The main problem is ......

The main problem is that people do not trust the authorities, do not believe at all in everything that comes from the official authorities, that is the trouble and the problem. And with this unbelief, as they say, "a child splashes out with the water."
Pi.C. And the talk about the need to re-vaccinate every 4-6 months (at work this is already officially "recommended" by the management) even put me into a stupor ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: 72jora72

The main problem is that people do not trust the authorities, do not believe at all in everything that comes from the official authorities, that is the trouble and the problem. And with this unbelief, as they say, "a child splashes out with the water."

Totally agree with you! On the other hand, believing our authorities is like believing in Bigfoot or in the Loch Ness monster.))))

[DED_peer_DED]

yes PCR tests and those paid

There are as many as 2 cash desks in our free clinic! The wife saw it herself today.
"You can't go past the cashier ..." (c)
They smeared PCR on my wife in the morning, for 1087 rubles and 30 kop. Apparently the price is pegged to the dollar, hence its accuracy.

[Far B]

Yeah. The curve went up until July 25 (137 infections at the maximum), when the "crown" has a two-week incubation period and it simply would not have had time to appear. But when the incubator was supposed to end, the decline began. Moreover, it is serious. So it won't hurt you to refresh your memory.

As for the pandemic, it is an epidemic, but it’s big, it’s strange that they even originated from essentially different expressions

Here I was really confused. I gave you a quote from the dictionary, finally brought it, and not sucked it out of my own finger. So, if in your opinion, and a kilometer with a millimeter from different expressions occurred. And what, nafig, chicken and egg? You still compare a sperm with a pensioner.

[carstorm 11]

You are comparing this) I just think that a pandemic is a pandemic and an epidemic is an epidemic. No more. As for the rallies you asked, I answered.

[Far B]

I just think that a pandemic is a pandemic and an epidemic is an epidemic

Well, that’s logical, cho. A meter is a meter, and a kilometer is a kilometer, why compare them?

[carstorm 11]

Logical, right?)

[Volder]

Quote: Dalny V

So vaccination during a pandemic is all the more impossible.

Why not? When, in your strange opinion, should the vaccination be carried out? Before the emergence of the virus or after the entire population of the Earth becomes infected?

Only all these calls are not convincing. They don't convince - that's all. It will be weak.

How many deaths will convince you? Why do you follow the instructions of the doctors in the polyclinic, but when you are healthy you don’t want to do it? Apparently, until the rooster pecks in one place, the man will not move. Usually, when infected with covid and getting to the hospital, most people quickly change their shoes.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: carstorm 11

Secondly, during an epidemic, vaccination is not carried out, this is an axiom in epidemiology

during an epidemic, patients are not vaccinated, and the maximum number of livestock is subject to vaccination I beg your pardon for the veterinary term.

[Machito]

Advertising of the vaccine on TV does not add optimism to get vaccinated, because the government has long lost the confidence of the people. But the words of a friend that after the first vaccination his body temperature dropped to 35 degrees, inspire confidence.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Bearded

But the words of a friend that after the first vaccination his body temperature dropped to 35 degrees, inspire confidence.

the body's reaction to the introduction of an antigen is normal. Proof that the vaccine is working. Another thing is a non-standard reaction - a decrease in temperature, which indicates a hidden disease, for example, heart or diabetes, for example ... a simple examination by a therapist may not reveal this ...

[DED_peer_DED]

Spouse 4 days ago made an appointment with a therapist with thrombophlebitis against vaccination.
Recorded for August 5th.
She will leave her vacation on August 3.
At work they said (they called only 4 days ago, caring ...) that they would not receive a salary and may not go out (he works as a "goalkeeper" in the office) until either the PCR is ready, or a certificate of release, or a certificate of vaccination. And, all this takes time, but it was not given.
New constitution in action.

[bk316]

Only someone here and there sometimes disagrees with you:

Before you rush to be the first to write a comment, you would at least have studied the terminology.
There are 3 definitions of a pandemic, historical common people, medical and legal.
Nobody uses the first, according to the second, and especially on the third, it is a pandemic.

About persuasion. For many centuries, people could not be convinced that the earth is round and revolves around the sun. As a result, they were simply TRAINED to do this. Without any convictions. But it takes a long time to teach, it is generally useless to teach you, but it is necessary to stop the pandemic. Therefore, the authorities, thank God, came to the right decision - to force. Under the USSR, this would have happened as soon as the vaccine went into production. This is me now not blah blah as anti-vaccines. I saw with my own eyes the documents of the 50s for such cases, they would have pricked them and would not have asked, but in fact it has always been so, whoever remembers.

[Sandro1977]

The situation with the vaccinated is very similar to the situation with sex minorities ... An aggressive minority imposes its will on the majority ...

[Konnick]

First of all, it was necessary to vaccinate people with chronic diseases, in whom the disease is difficult, and not everyone in a row, frightening restrictions.

[Alex2711]

Only first you need to prove the safety of the vaccine

[Konnick]

Only first you need to prove the safety of the vaccine

So they would be checked, chronic patients are constantly monitored in medical institutions, otherwise why should healthy people spoil their health. And then I don't even have a medical card, I forgot when I went to the clinic, about 2 years ago, I took a medical certificate to exchange rights. So I will retire and leave without a medical card. Two weeks ago I received a compulsory medical insurance policy, and did not want to get vaccinated for money.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

Firstly, this is not an epidemic, but a pandemic.

Yes, an argument at the level of Kiselev! Do you know the differences?
The authorities themselves are to blame for the current situation. Even if the vaccine worked (and the Wuhan strain vaccine is virtually useless against the new strains, Israel, the UK, and Singapore claim), active coercion scares away many.
In addition, there is absolute silence around the side effects, and people die after being vaccinated. The Internet is replete with facts, and with the personal data of the deceased.

[carstorm 11]

Because it is small and weak. If it was something serious, you would have been screaming as if frightened here from morning till night. Replete with what? Do people die from vaccinations? Where?

[vargo]

They also sent me a story from my city, they say, the vaccine killed. And in fact, it is found out that the person was vaccinated already very ill and with bad symptoms in his heart. Needless to say, the condition was clearly not for vaccination, but he also injected himself with a supplement for the body. So who killed him? Vaccination, stupidity or a doctor's mistake that sent him despite these symptoms? And what I hear from the majority of those who do not like to understand is correct, something like "he was killed by the vaccine." That's right, as in the joke about alcohol and cookies. And I suspect so in most cases. So far, there is not a single straight clean one, where the nuances are not mixed up, which they like to omit so much when shouting on the forums.

[Revival]

"And in fact, it becomes clear that the person was vaccinated already very ill and with bad symptoms in his heart. Needless to say, the condition was clearly not for vaccination."

Did the doctors vaccinate him, or the janitor?

Did they care about his condition?
Did they check his condition at all?
The doctors were not embarrassed that he had a bad symptom in his heart?
Why then did they inject?

[Kayala]

So maybe then the question is to specific doctors, and not to the vaccine?

[Revival]

Can.
But we mustn't guess.
Investigation in progress?
Who will be attracted?
Apparently not.

It should not be "can", "can not", but clear information, just for argumentation against the position of "anti-vaccine", is it there? I have not met.
In my personal opinion, therefore, some may assume that this is not the case of a "specific doctor", but well, everything is put

[Alex2711]

And why are they forced to write a waiver of claims before vaccination?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: vargo

they also sent a story from my city, they say, the vaccine killed.

typical story, and he also got into the statistics of Covid

[Alex2711]

So all the same, you cannot inject this slurry without a doctor's examination. None of my injected acquaintances were examined by a doctor before vaccination. They are pricked like cattle.

[vlad.baryatinsky]

Quote: Ingvar 72

The Internet is replete with facts, and with the personal data of the deceased.

That's right!
And the population of countries such as the Netherlands, France, Greece, Serbia is rebelling.
My opinion.
I will hold out as long as I can. Even if you threaten to lose your job!

[Stas157]

... Sputnik V developers are now preparing documents for registration at the WHO level. This is a long and difficult business, and there is still no sufficient work experience in Russia. with such cases.

With what with what? What kind of cupcakes? Can't you write in Russian? Such slang, as a rule, is used at trainings by info-gypsy.

About the developers. I will never believe in such nonsense that Russia does not have competent people who would not be able to draw up the documents correctly!

... Companies that kick open the doors to WHO naturally get approval first. Because these companies are Western, and because there is a lot of money spinning.

But what about the two Chinese vaccines? There are also Indian and Korean approved by WHO. How do they relate to the West?

Or do you want all your strength to be thrown at no one needs WHO endorsement

The author is openly trolling. Moreover, at the level of shkolota.

All the forces are what? And why, then, do everything to the WHO, if no one needs it?
Selling any vaccine overseas would benefit greatly after WHO approval. And this promises a good profit, which will more than cover the costs.

[carstorm 11]

Case is not slang, but a term translated from English "case" means a description of a certain situation, case or case in various spheres: political, medical, etc. Usually it is based on real facts and contains a problem in its structure.

[Stas157]

Quote: carstorm 11

Case is not slang but a term translated from English "case"

Everyone knows that. The question is, why litter the rich Russian language with "fashionable" foreign words? Are we natives?

[carstorm 11]

This is business ethics. Common. Our rich language, the devil knows from what century, takes and uses foreign words without much difficulty.

[Stas157]

Quote: carstorm 11

Our rich language the devil knows from what century he takes and uses foreign words without much difficulty.

There are also simple understandable Russian words and expressions. Instead of the now fashionable word case, you can say: for example, a case, a situation, an example from practice ... The modern, powerful Russian language no longer needs English speaking borrowing. After all, it is from there that this garbage comes.

[Pushkar]

Quote: vlad.baryatinsky

My opinion.
I will hold out as long as I can. Even if you threaten to lose your job!

Even threatened to feed the worms?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Ingvar 72

The authorities themselves are to blame for the current situation. Even if the vaccine helped

The vaccine helps ... you just need to know that there is such a thing as "the phenomenon of a secondary immune response", this is a phenomenon when the body's immune response to the secondary administration of the vaccine is tens and hundreds of times stronger than to the primary one. The trouble is that this very secondary introduction forms minimally sufficient level of immunity. Therefore, it is incorrect to consider vaccinated those who were vaccinated once, but they are included in the statistics of vaccinated.
The authorities are to blame for the fact that there is no single body that would control the information coverage of the situation with the coronavirus.
As for me, on the part of the authorities there is sanitary terror and social training for illegal decisions.

[soul]

In my family: two aunts got sick ten days ago. one with the vaccine (end of May), the other refused. The crown is confirmed. We will bury the vaccinated one today (July 30.07), the second one in the hospital. The cause of death is a massive heart attack.
I wish you all good health. Take care of yourself and your loved ones.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: alma

The crown is confirmed. We bury the vaccinated today (30.07),

the vaccine does not guarantee protection against infection, it makes the disease easier
In the list of drugs recommended by WHO, corticosteroid hormones are in the first place. The strongest anti-inflammatory agent, but ironically, the strongest immunosuppressive agent is an immune suppressor. I talk to pulmonologists, and from the first to the last day of treatment in the hospital, they have dexamethasone. And this means that sufficient immunity is not developed before re-infection, the body is defenseless against a hospital infection, all chronic diseases wake up. Doctors would be happy not to use dexamethasone, but in case of complications, they hide behind these recommendations. In all cases of death of a person from the corona known to me, excessive use of corticosteroids always appears.

[bk316]

The authorities are to blame for the fact that there is no single body that would control the information coverage of the situation with the coronavirus.

Formally, there is. And there is a headquarters.
I already wrote that a common misfortune is the lack of propaganda and counter-propaganda.
In this case, it is possible the legacy of the USSR.
In the 90s I worked at the Gabrichevsky Institute.
Among other things, I had to study documents from the 50s and 70s on measures to counter epidemics.
NO MEASURES OF BELIEF was not assumed, all on command, those who did not obey are forced to the point of physical pressure. Also on quarantine measures. How surprised I was when I saw a document from under Sobyanin, which was actually written in 53. Just a couple of sentences were added.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: bk316

Formally, there is. And there is a headquarters.
I already wrote that a common misfortune is the lack of propaganda and counter-propaganda.

I ask many - have you been vaccinated? the answer is not yet, or I am against .... then I ask, how do you feel about socialism? the answer is good.
Then I ask, do you know that socialism is when the public good is higher than the personal? - Yes!
Well, why not vaccinate, because the more vaccinated the better for everyone? - people fall into a stupor ...
And our government will never persuade people to win by joint efforts, because it will unite people, it will scare, confuse people, take more powers for itself ... People with the slogan "My body is my business" support the idea of ​​inviolability of private property prevailing in society by not allowing their bodies to be grafted, they strengthen the position of the oligarchs who own wells and pipes ...

[bk316]

I ask many people - have you been vaccinated? They answer not yet,

There is actually an interesting fact.
EVERYTHING has taken root in my department.
Imagine everything - without any pressure even before May.
The age is different, the sex is different, the nationalities are different, the specialties, though from IT, are also different.
One thing in common - a higher technical or natural science education - I simply do not hire others.
It became interesting to me and I began to poll people and it turned out that among the anti-vaccine people are dominated by the humanities and people without higher education, among the voluntarily vaccinated people with higher natural sciences.

And our government will never persuade people to win by joint efforts,

Never say never. War will unite everyone.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: bk316

Never say never. War will unite everyone.

rather, people are being prepared for a new Perestroika

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: bk316

there is normally. And there is a headquarters.

For some reason, these headquarters are officials, not doctors.

Quote: bk316

I already wrote that a common misfortune is the lack of propaganda and counter-propaganda.
In this case, it is possible the legacy of the USSR.

Again the USSR is to blame? How many years must pass for it to cease being guilty? Although judging by the fact that Putin remembers the Pechenegs with the Khazars ........

[bk0010]

Quote: bk316

NO MEASURES OF BELIEF was not assumed, all on command, those who did not obey are forced to the point of physical pressure.

And a state of emergency was introduced? Or quarantine? For sure. But not now. When they introduce it, then let someone be obliged or forced to do something. If there is an epidemic, introduce an emergency, bring officials who do not introduce it to account for criminal negligence, admit "force majeure", provide the population with food and everything that is required in an emergency. No emergency? Go through the forest with your directions. Not only you can apply physical influence, but also to you too.

[bk316]

Do you know the differences?

Oh lord sovramshi.
For example, I know and still a lot of things on the topic, but you do not.
Why then write?
Can't understand that you are not fighting with GDP, but with the population?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: bk316

Oh lord sovramshi.
For example, I know and still a lot of things on the topic, but you do not.

Mister betrayed - you promised to interfere with me in the discussion?
Do you have something to say on the topic, or do you want to measure the general knowledge of knowledge?

[bk316]

Mister betrayed - you promised to interfere with me in the discussion?

And I am not discussing.
Even if you weren't a liar, you are not prepared enough.
Or have you worked in the field of microbiology?

I just remind you of lying.
You keep lying ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: bk316

And I am not discussing.

Flew past, sniffed and sat down!

Quote: bk316

Even if you weren't a liar, you are not prepared enough.

The paid guardians have no questions about the many inconsistencies in the actions of the authorities?

Quote: bk316

You keep lying ...

What is the lie? Or blah blah blah and urya?

[bk316]

What is the lie?

I repeat 145 times: in your statement about what I support, and publicly at VO, the use of palm oil instead of animal oil and the export of capital.
Well, this is for a start, you are also lying about my opinion on manned space, on the reform of education, etc.
I started with this because here lies are proven over and over again.
You admit - let's go further.

[DED_peer_DED]

Even if the vaccine worked (and the Wuhan strain vaccine is practically useless against newer strains, according to Israel, the UK and Singapore),

[Doccor18]

Quote: carstorm 11

Firstly, this is not an epidemic, but a pandemic. Different terms.

The terms are really different, but sars cov-2 (covid 19) has long and thoroughly fallen into both categories, because the increase in incidence significantly exceeds the usually recorded for a given area (epidemic), and is spread over more than one continent (pandemic).

Secondly, the whole world seems to be vaccinated stupidly.

Of course, the whole world is not "stupid", and vaccination is the only available method of quickly defeating the epidemic, but it makes sense to carry it out as soon as possible (which was not done), and preferably on a decline, and not against the backdrop of another rise.

And what does mortality have to do with determining a pandemic and an epidemic in general?

There is no connection.

According to the authoritative journal Nature Medicine, our country is the world leader in anti-vaccination sentiment. 

This is due, to a greater extent, to the general progressive decline in the level of literacy of the population and low confidence in the authorities.

Vaccination benefits primarily the pharmaceutical giants. "

Everyone benefits from vaccination. So this is not a myth.

There is no trust in the domestic Sputnik V - they did it too quickly. "

They did it quickly, but not strange, it is this area of ​​pharmacology that is developed in the country. It is not the first time that Russia develops and delivers vaccines faster than anyone else ...

After vaccination, there will be no children or they will be born unhealthy. " In-

There have been suggestions about the similarity of the spike protein of the coronovirus and synticin (a protein directly related to the formation of the placenta), and that an immune attack of the own placenta may occur. However, this version is untenable, since the similarity is minimal, and in those who have been ill, a decrease or inhibition of fertility has not yet been revealed ...

"If I get a vaccine during an epidemic, I will dramatically increase the chances of getting infected."

The vaccine does not give a 100% guarantee not to get infected. Its most important merit is the prevention of formidable and transient complications.

Sputnik V "is not the best vaccine, it is not for nothing that WHO has not yet approved it."

It’s very strange, why didn’t put together the necessary package, because we were the first at the start. Although ... WHO now more resembles the IOC, where for some reason politics began to decide a lot ...

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Doccor18

This is due, to a greater extent, to the general progressive decline in the level of literacy of the population and low confidence in the authorities.

how do you think: - I believe that the reluctance to inculcate is the result of Perestroika, during which a new Constitution was adopted, which declares the protection of private property. My body is my business, the motto which at the subconscious level reinforces individualism. And socialist education is a priority of the social significance of actions, and from the point of view of social significance - the more vaccinated, the better. Therefore, Covid is a social training that reinforces precisely the capitalist approach - man to man is a wolf.

[Doccor18]

Quote: aybolyt678

Perestroika, during which a new Constitution was adopted, which declares the protection of private property. My body is my business, the motto which at the subconscious level reinforces individualism. BUT

Too little time has passed for the "subconscious level".
Even over a much longer period of time, not all "socialist" and "public" have become commonplace ...

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Doccor18

Even over a much longer period of time, not all "socialist" and "public" have become commonplace ...

Quote: Doccor18

Covid is a social training that reinforces

repetition is the mother of learning repetitio est mater studiorum

[Doccor18]

Quote: aybolyt678

Quote: Doccor18

Covid is a social training that reinforces

repetition ..

I don’t remember that I wrote something about "training".

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Doccor18

I don’t remember that I wrote something about "training".

I wrote this to you, but about the subconscious, I really agree with you ... it would be more accurate unconsciously

[Doccor18]

Quote: aybolyt678

unconsciously

Yeah, spontaneous and crazy ...

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Doccor18

Yeah, spontaneous and crazy ...

no, strictly according to the methodology, the task is to fill the brains with useless information, to replace the need for security with the struggle for the right not to be vaccinated, Power and the media at the same time - a substitution of priorities for the average person

[Alex2711]

The instructions for Sputnik V read:
1. The therapeutic effect is unknown.
2. No contraindications known.
3. Side effects are not known.
4. The vaccine has not passed clinical trials and has not been tested on animals.
And as a bonus - before vaccination you are forced to write a waiver of claims and take full responsibility for the consequences of vaccination on yourself.
Well, where does the right not to be vaccinated if it is, in fact, a forced experiment with unknown consequences. I have a bunch of serious chronic ailments, but they won't give me a medical treatment. I am not against vaccinations in principle, but I am afraid to die from side effects.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Alex2711

The instructions for Sputnik V read:
1. The therapeutic effect is unknown.
2. No contraindications known.
3. Side effects are not known.

Alexey, the vaccine should not have a therapeutic effect. The vaccine is weakened or killed germs and viruses. Specifically, "Sputnik V" is a castrated adenovirus, considered harmless, into which a fragment of the coronavirus is inserted, which produces those covid envelope proteins by which this covid is recognized by the immune system. It is very messy, it is especially annoying that the Gamaleya center has never produced drugs more serious than homeopathy.
I recommend Epivac or Kovivac to all my friends, two vaccines that have been tested on animals, made from dead viral raw materials, made using proven technologies for more than a decade, and made precisely at specialized enterprises.
My friends, myself, relatives, almost no one experienced any particular discomfort after vaccination. A cousin, generally after a stroke, he has severe diabetes .... got vaccinated ... and there is nothing!

[Doccor18]

Quote: aybolyt678

I recommend to all my friends Epivac or Kovivac, two vaccines that have been tested on animals ...

Where are they?
If Epivak is still somehow moving, recently announced the increase in production in the Moscow region, then Chumakov's brainchild should be entered into the Red Book ...

[Alex2711]

I put it wrong, I wrote: "the therapeutic effect is unknown", but it was necessary to write: "the effectiveness of the vaccine has not been proven."

[bk316]

Alexander is 100% correct.
Laconic and professional.
Exactly in the subject.

Only it is useless to convince anti-vaccines do not understand anything and do NOT want to understand.
Well, about the fighters who joined them, this is not necessary, the worse the better. The same people write that the vaccine is a poison and that the corona is a mild cold, and that the vaccine is sorely lacking, everything was given to Moscow.

Therefore, there remains only coercion (at least a carrot with a stick). Of course, this will not raise the rating, but they did not give a damn about the ratings and this is a big plus for them.

By the way, you may be interested. The US authorities also ran into the same problem, the rate of vaccination dropped sharply. And they went the same way, only with a carrot ($ 100 for each vaccinated)

[Doccor18]

Quote: bk316

The US authorities also ran into the same problem, the rate of vaccination dropped sharply. And they went the same way, only with a carrot ..

Today I heard on the news that not only "carrot" ... Biden said that they will soon introduce compulsory vaccinations for army and civil servants. Gingerbread is very good only in conjunction with a whip ...

[bk316]

Gingerbread is very good only in conjunction with a whip ...

Definitely!

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Doccor18

it is this area of ​​pharmacology that is developed in the country

it is not pharmacology but biotechnology. And the vaccine isn't the only specialty. There are also hyperimmune sera and specific immunoglobulins. Establishing the production of immunoglobulins or sera for Biofactories is a common thing. Much safer than vaccines. They were practically forgotten. Very rarely infa pops up, like artifacts .... having globulins one could forget about severe cases and deaths from Covid.

[Baloo]

Quote: carstorm 11

Firstly, this is not an epidemic, but a pandemic. Different terms. Secondly, the whole world seems to be vaccinated stupidly. And in the third, there is no jump? Did you fly off the ground for two months somewhere? Two months ago in Khabarovsk there were 30 people who turned white a day. Last month over 300. Actually, like throughout the country. And what does mortality have to do with defining a pandemic and an epidemic in general?

In our region, the number of cases is twice less daily than before the New Year, and the mortality rate is 4-5 per day, slightly higher or the same. Each new strain is getting angrier and more aggressive thanks to those who get sick, it mutates on them. Everything is just beginning, this is all serious and for a long time, until everyone is vaccinated and / or ill, and / or those who are destined to die. And those who hope that they will get sick and nothing will happen, are naively mistaken. There is no covid without consequences, even if suffered in a mild form. This is a multiple organ pathology in children too. It's just that someone will die from the effects of covid within a month, and someone within a year.

[bk316]

There is no covid without consequences, even if suffered in a mild form. This is a multiple organ pathology in children too.

And you wrote everything correctly, my acquaintance child barely got out.
True, it was a year ago and the doctors simply did not understand what was happening.
The appendix was excised !!!
They figured it out well in a couple of days, but this is in Moscow in Morozovskaya and what would be in the outback

[Baloo]

Quote: bk316

There is no covid without consequences, even if suffered in a mild form. This is a multiple organ pathology in children too.

And you wrote everything correctly, my acquaintance child barely got out.
True, it was a year ago and the doctors simply did not understand what was happening.
The appendix was excised !!!
They figured it out well in a couple of days, but this is in Moscow in Morozovskaya and what would be in the outback

All over the world, during the pandemic, not only mortality from covid has increased, but also the number of emergency surgical operations, respectively, deaths. I don't remember the exact figure, but this is reliable data from the analysis of large numbers. Mistrust in the authorities due to the pension reform, deteriorating financial situation and anti-vaccination propaganda of the clones of the navralny sect play a role, even among doctors. People do not know, behind the fence, the anti-vaccination movement began in the 90s when information about 500 thousand people affected in Africa from free vaccines by B. Geitz under the auspices of the UN was leaked. And now it is a tool in the competitive struggle of pharmaceutical giants who need to sell pills that are ineffective against covid. Those processors and academicians who muddy the waters in a tick-tock, in fact, everyone has an interest in the representative offices of foreign pharmaceutical companies in the Russian Federation. Like this. And ordinary people do not even think about how much such professionally filmed videos cost and who are these generous patrons of the arts.

[Machito]

Quote: carstorm 11

Firstly, this is not an epidemic, but a pandemic. Different terms. Secondly, the whole world seems to be vaccinated stupidly. And in the third, there is no jump? Did you fly off the ground for two months somewhere? Two months ago in Khabarovsk there were 30 people who turned white a day. Last month over 300. Actually, like throughout the country. And what does mortality have to do with defining a pandemic and an epidemic in general?

If we have a pandemic, then why are the borders not closed? Why do rich fellow citizens, who often and not only our fellow citizens, travel abroad, bring the infection from there and infect the poor?
If we have a pandemic, then we need to close the border, vaccinate everyone who travels abroad with all vaccinations at once, and after returning to quarantine. All this elite spread the infection throughout the country. Yes, guest workers who serve this elite and earn millions for it. And then they tell us on TV that we should be vaccinated.

[carstorm 11]

I have no idea myself. Rich? Everything goes literally. Or for you, who can go to the same Egypt as a millionaire?))) But I am all for closed borders. Driving from vacations. But if now people take it away, I'm afraid such a dance will begin ... from the screams of our fighters for all the good to the real anger of ordinary people and the ruin of a tourist destination as a species.

[ANB]

... Why do rich fellow citizens, who often and not only our fellow citizens, travel abroad, bring the infection from there and infect the poor?

Directly removed from the tongue.
But you will have to vaccinate, since there is no medicine (serum) and is not expected.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: carstorm 11

Firstly, this is not an epidemic, but a pandemic. Different terms.

Yes, the same hell, only a profile view:

Pandemia (Greek πανδημία "all the people") - unusually strong epidemicspreading on the territory of countries, continents; the highest degree of development of the epidemic process. A pandemic is the most dangerous form, that is, an epidemic that covers the vast majority of the world.

[lis-ik]

Quote: carstorm 11

Firstly, this is not an epidemic, but a pandemic.

It's not even an epidemic. Where did ARVI, flu and other diseases go? We will not talk about mortality from cardiovascular diseases at all. We are ahead of the rest of the world. This hysteria will never end. A whole industry has lined up making money on the supposedly pandemic. Not only pharmaceutical companies, but, for example, manufacturers of disposable tableware are not bad at rising in the global scam. "Kovidnye" departments of hospitals massively need dishes for feeding patients, naturally disposable. This is one example, and there are a lot of them. But ARVI, flu, etc. have completely "disappeared" from us. recently a friend's mother died, the last stage of breast cancer, put the cause of death Covid, scum!

[lis-ik]

Quote: carstorm 11

Firstly, this is not an epidemic, but a pandemic. Different terms. Secondly, the whole world seems to be vaccinated stupidly. And in the third, there is no jump? Did you fly off the ground for two months somewhere? Two months ago in Khabarovsk there were 30 people who turned white a day. Last month over 300. Actually, like throughout the country. And what does mortality have to do with defining a pandemic and an epidemic in general?

Tell me, in Khabarovsk. do they get sick with something other than covid?

[carstorm 11]

Of course they are ill. For the covid, separate rooms are made. Well, the bias of course on him, which by itself affects the treatment of other diseases. But this is everywhere. Worldwide. Many sores faded into the background.

[Lech from Android.]

Everyone says so until they end up in a hospital bed, and the most stubborn ones from the grave are broadcasting ...

[Lech from Android.]

Every year I was sick with the flu before, as I began to get vaccinated against it, I immediately stopped suffering from this toadstool ... so everyone chooses for himself whether to get sick or be healthy.

[Svarog]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Every year I was sick with the flu before, as I began to get vaccinated against it, I immediately stopped suffering from this toadstool ... so everyone chooses for himself whether to get sick or be healthy.

I have a different picture .. I was vaccinated against the flu twice and immediately, after a month I was very ill .. as I stopped doing it, I stopped getting sick, well, at least not so much .. Vaccinations against viruses are weak protection .. because the virus mutates constantly .. of course there is always otmaza .. with the strain you did not guess this time ..

[Ilya22558]

Here I will support Vladimir!
Also, after being vaccinated against the flu, I was ill for a long time and seriously, without vaccinations - so, a slight malaise. For the first time it turned out while I was in school, but in the mid-80s, everyone was driven for vaccination for a couple of years. Then, at a more mature age, I decided to repeat the experience again, fell for the stories of my colleagues how after the flu shot they had a day after the flu shot, and then they were cheerful. The body said "fig to you!", 2,5 weeks of sick leave! Does someone take into account the reaction of the body when driving for vaccination? Of course not! Will I volunteer to get vaccinated with this input? The answer, it seems to me, is obvious.
Further, as for the stubbornness: a vaccinated (!) Colleague brought the virus to work and safely went to the hospital with a positive test ... I have 2 weeks of temperature 37,8 -38,1, 5 days of no smell and taste, negative PCR (yes result) after 4 days from the onset of temperature and the amount of antibodies 702 BAU / ml 3 weeks after recovery (there is a certificate). At the same time, officially, I was not sick with anything.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Ilya22558

Here I will support Vladimir!

Quote: Ilya22558

In this case, officially I was not sick with anything.

Here sometimes they write such crap that "the hair is getting out of the orbits", and not officially registered...
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Whoever has a reason and a desire to be grafted - go ahead! Just do not tell anyone that the vaccine is absolutely harmless to the body and is recommended to everyone. Nobody really figured out what happens in the body after vaccination. And there are cases of illness after vaccination, and there are not enough places for patients, and they lie in the corridors and die and recover.
Here all the "fright" from the fact that the fight against this infection stopped at the level of vaccination and mask regime. Something I do not see those preventive measures for the processing of residential buildings (entrances), public places ... And today in the trolleybus the conductor "strained" reproaches to the passengers of the rear platform.
You need to travel less abroad and take the infection to Russia. That's for sure.

[Olfred]

Greetings. I work at the railway station (several thousand people a day pass) ... During all these waves of "pandemic", one aunt came with a garden sprayer and processed the premises. Well, how I did it, I sprayed it for 2 minutes. xs than, she said 10 minutes not to go in and EVERYTHING, here's the processing I note that with me she came 2 - 3 times, MB was more often, but it is doubtful, and the quality of processing seems to be the same
All the best !

[Vikxnumx]

Then, at a more mature age, I decided to repeat the experience again, fell for the stories of my colleagues how after the flu shot they had a day after the flu shot and then they were cheerful. The body said "fig to you!", 2,5 weeks of sick leave!

Absolutely the same reaction of the body to the flu shot!
And he was not going to inject himself from the crown!

[SVD68]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Every year I had the flu before, as I began to vaccinate against it, I immediately stopped suffering from this toadstool.

Was this the official diagnosis of influenza?

[Lech from Android.]

It was put ... you get sick for a month, then the complications are nowhere worse ... each organism reacts differently to vaccinations ... here, of course, side reactions must be taken into account.
I calmly endured and continue to carry vaccinations ... I will not speak for others.

[Vikxnumx]

Everyone says so until they end up in a hospital bed, and the most stubborn ones from the grave are broadcasting ...

It turned out.
Half of the people in the department - after vaccinations! Someone immediately (after the first dose), and after the second, and those who were vaccinated in March ...
And in the hospital "lungs" patients are not taken - the places are tight.

[Gardamir]

places are tight.

For two more years Sobyanin said that he could resettle Muscovites in hospitals in a thin layer. What have been re-optimized?

[Vikxnumx]

For two more years Sobyanin spoke

So this is Stavropol, not Moscow.

[bk316]

For two more years Sobyanin said that he could resettle Muscovites in hospitals in a thin layer.

He can. In Moscow, everything is fine with places.
By the way, we again went to close the temporary hospitals.
Come and see in Sokolniki, for example, half a park for a hospital was allowed, opened now, now it seems to be closed again.

[Lech from Android.]

Well I do not know how much I talked with the patient, there are no symptoms of covid ...

[Lech from Android.]

There is no understanding of beds ... after all, last year, the military with great fanfare built hospital centers with beds, and for this case ... how are they used now?

[bk316]

how are they used now?

Are you talking about Voronovo?
So it is used as a covid.
An acquaintance of mine works there.

[hagen]

Quote: Dalny V

You go out into the street, where people are already violating the impudent mask regime (and the guardians of this ... how is it ... the law for such violations already do not care), and nothing, there is no jump, well, anyway, something is wrong!

Last year, a video was circulated on the Internet, showing how police officers of a motorcyclist in India, without a mask, were "leaving" with bamboo sticks. Apparently, without such measures, "something is wrong" for a long time. Do you remember the phrase of Abdulov in the film "Genius" - "the country of the frightened ...."? And there is. We try to comprehend and evaluate subtle, narrowly specialized issues requiring remarkable profound knowledge at the level of high school knowledge, seriously believing in our own abilities. Isn't it wild and funny? The situation with the pandemic in Russia cannot be corrected without pressure on the "deviators". There is no need to wait for measures to increase pressure until the end of September. Therefore, we will bury the money under the "covid beds" and groan from their lack in other places. Perhaps the most effective in overcoming epidemics were the communists of the USSR and today's Chinese. They did not ask anyone for consent, they simply vaccinated everyone in a row and promptly corrected the situation.

[Gardamir]

Perhaps the most effective in overcoming epidemics were the communists of the USSR

A whole ideology has already been formed, to tell how bad it was in the Union. The chief in the country, in each of his speeches, he will definitely tell about the bad USSR. And suddenly they began to refer to the experience of the USSR. This is not without reason.

[hagen]

Quote: Gardamir

A whole ideology has already been formed, to tell how bad it was in the Union.

Common sense dictates that the best and most effective should be taken without looking at the socio-economic formation.

[Lech from Android.]

China or what?

[hagen]

Quote: Lech from Android.

China or what?

Why not? It is also possible in China. But first of all, the USSR. If the USSR had not at one time rested on the dogmas of communist ideals, but had applied Lenin's steps to decentralize the economy at the level of local and partly light industry, a kind of NEP in a slightly different interpretation, then perhaps the USSR would still be alive. China has revised and applied this experience. We see the results. The best methods of work can be taken even from the 3rd Reich. The main thing is to understand the goal ahead.

[bk316]

A whole ideology has already been formed, to tell how bad it was in the Union

It was wonderful in the Union. They said to be vaccinated - they are vaccinated. In general, no consent was taken either at school or at the institute, I'm not talking about the army. Did you get an Afghan vaccine?
They made me - 25 (TWENTY FIVE CARL !!!) mods (from 25 diseases) at once. This side was so side.

[carstorm 11]

This is not an experience but an approach to the topic. And very correct. Just get everyone to do it without talking. The Chinese closed the city with the army and zero indignation. We only work with a tough approach. In any other case, blah blah blah begins.

[Alex2711]

So why do they not do this, why does the government, if it believes that everyone should be injected, does not take responsibility for vaccination, but forces us to write a waiver of claims? Why should I participate in experiments at my own risk?

[carstorm 11]

It's not just responsibility. In fact, it began gradually. Obligation for those who work in the service sector is a huge number of people. Perhaps, in order not to arrange a crush, it will be gradual. But here I have no idea. Just thinking.

[Alex2711]

I am an engineer, our plant makes hardware, i.e. it’s not a service sector, but everyone is forced to shoot up drugs on pain of suspension. If the government thinks that there is something in the country and everyone needs to be injected, then why doesn't it take responsibility for it? Why are they not responsible for anything, and why should we take responsibility?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Hagen

Perhaps the most effective in overcoming epidemics were the communists of the USSR and today's Chinese. They did not ask anyone for consent, they simply vaccinated everyone in a row and promptly corrected the situation.

Then everyone was afraid to open their mouths to power! And now just give me an excuse to shriek, protest, especially before the elections. Power must be strong. It is not for the crowd to decide about state security. And now every morel decides what to do.

[Lech from Android.]

Every boss here, Napoleon ... knows better than the people how to live and eat ... macaroons and macaroons again.

[hagen]

Quote: 30 vis

Then everyone was afraid to open their mouths to power!

And today it's not a sin to stick a gag in some mouths. Better to put the "screechers" under the lamp and ask what he really wants to say and on what basis. There is a lot that can be improved by shaking off excessive liberalism.

[Lech from Android.]

And even better to the wall or to explore the vastness of the Far North.

[hagen]

Quote: Lech from Android.

And even better to the wall or to explore the vastness of the Far North.

Given the demographic situation, I would not be in a hurry with the wall. But we, at the compressor station and in areas equated to it, have enough places for the application of forces.

[Esoteric]

Do you see yourself among those who direct to great construction projects, or among those who build in hunger, cold, barely moving their legs?
Usually those who "push" about the great construction projects, the industrial breakthrough, themselves are clearly in no hurry to knead concrete.

[hagen]

Quote: Ezoterik

Do you see yourself among those who direct to great construction projects, or among those who build in hunger, cold, barely moving their legs?

And what do you think?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Lech from Android.

And even better to the wall or to explore the vastness of the Far North.

If this is humor, then gloomy, if it is serious, then we already had such times, too, nothing good. The question is that if it is about the security of the people, the country, life and death, then this is not subject to discussion. If not, then you cannot intimidate people.

[72jora72]

And even better to the wall or to explore the vastness of the Far North.

Will you personally bet?
PiSi. I have been exploring the "Expanses of the Far North" for 40 years already.

[bk0010]

Quote: Hagen

Better to put the "screechers" under the lamp and ask what he really wants to say and on what basis.

As a result, desperate "squealers" will put you up against the wall. Don't you consider this option? Do you want to get a civil war? Don't you realize that people will fight for their lives and the lives of their relatives?

[hagen]

Quote: bk0010

As a result, desperate "squealers" will put you up against the wall.

That is unlikely. Just around the corner ... And if they get paid well.

Quote: bk0010

Do you want to get a civil war?

On the one hand, there is the current government. And who is on the other? Poke your finger into the force that will be able to gather around people who are ready to give their lives for an idea? "Shriekers" for the most part imitate opposition for other people's money. They are not capable of civil war by definition.

Quote: bk0010

Don't you realize that people will fight for their lives and the lives of their relatives?

There are also people on the side of the current government, and there are many of them. Besides, who are these people whose lives are threatened by the current government?

[bk0010]

Quote: Hagen

Besides, who are these people whose lives are threatened by the current government?

These are the ones you want to forcefully vaccinate. The available vaccinations do not prevent infection or transmission of infection, they only reduce the chance of a severe course of the disease (increasing the chances of an asymptomatic course with a corresponding effect on others). Why vaccinate people forcibly? Just to show the power?

[hagen]

Quote: bk0010

The available vaccinations do not prevent infection or transmission of infection, they only reduce the chance of a severe course of the disease (increasing the chances of an asymptomatic course with a corresponding effect on others).

You are not an expert in this branch of the economy, so you reason very approximately on the basis of faith in the arguments of people who are far from knowledge of the subject. I am not an expert on viral diseases either, but I can say that one severe case of covid costs the country about 200 rubles. More than 000 people fall ill a day, 23-000% of whom will spend 60 tr. Do you think, at least in order to save the budget, it makes sense to moderate your obstinacy, in the absence of a medical outlet? Or do you think that money is not the main thing, the main thing is the freedom of individual decisions?

[bk0010]

Quote: Hagen

You are not an expert in this branch of the economy, so you reason very approximately on the basis of faith in the arguments of people who are far from knowledge of the subject.

Yes, I'm not a specialist, but seeing the unhealthy hysteria around the question that concerns me intravenously, I have collected information, based on which I make decisions.

Quote: Hagen

Do you think, at least in order to save the budget, it makes sense to moderate your obstinacy, in the absence of a medical outlet?

It is better to take a receipt for refusal of hospitalization for covid. I already know for sure that I can handle covid in a mild form. And if I'm wrong, then let me pay with my life for it. It's not as bad as the unknown side effects of an untested vaccine; read about thalidomide, for example.

[hagen]

Quote: bk0010

I already know for sure that I can handle covid in a mild form.

A friend of mine also thought he didn't care for the flu, but one day, at the age of 38, he had kidney complications. Now, for several years now, every three days he has been riding 100 km for hemodialysis ... The confidence that everything will be exactly the same as yesterday may not lead to good. With the receipt, you made me laugh. A person is usually brave when he is in good health, warm and full. And when the "pale with a scythe" in the immediate vicinity sat down, his views on life change dramatically.

Quote: bk0010

then let me pay for it

Even if you remain true to this idea at death, it must be borne in mind that we, adults, are very often the basis for the lives that depend on us. You also need to think about their fate.

[bk0010]

Quote: Hagen

A friend of mine also believed

I don’t think it, I know it. I already suffered from covid and was ill in a mild form. The severity of the reaction to covid is not determined by the virus, but by the body, I have already checked that my body responds adequately, without a cytokine storm.

Quote: Hagen

You also need to think about their fate.

That's it. Imagine that as a result of vaccination, the natural mechanism for the synthesis of antibodies to coronaviruses is blocked. Or the legs will fail (highly unlikely, but not impossible). What will it be like for them to tinker with such a patient?

[hagen]

Quote: bk0010

Imagine that as a result of vaccination, the natural mechanism for the synthesis of antibodies to coronaviruses is blocked.

Of the millions that have already taken root, I have not heard of such a thing. But the question of the possible superimposition of the covid epidemic on seasonal flu is already underway among infectious disease specialists. In matters where I am not an expert, I trust those who are proficient in this issue. You can do as you please. Time will judge us ...

[Alex2711]

And if I die from this vaccine, who will feed my family, you? What do you think my family is more expensive or 200 tr. which are you talking about? Prove to me the safety of this vaccine and I'll go get vaccinated myself.

[hagen]

Quote: Alex2711

And if I die from this vaccine, who will feed my family, you?

What data is your confidence in the possibility of dying from this vaccine based? Do you have any conclusions from the CME about the cause of someone's death, where it is called vaccination?

[Alex2711]

My confidence is based on personal experience. And also on 2700 studies:
All developments of various types of vaccines over the past 20 years, built on the principle of creating an immune response to S-proteins, have failed, as scientists are faced with the effect of antibody-dependent intensification of infection. And for 20 years, no one has been able to bypass this natural mechanism of the immune response.
Antibody-dependent exacerbation of infection (ADE Effect) is a phenomenon in which pre-existing, low-affinity antibodies in the blood of a person or animal lead to an increase in the infection that it has contracted. This is a fairly common phenomenon that is being actively studied at the present time. PubMed lists more than 2700 articles in search for this query: Antibody-Dependent Enhancement.
Antibody-dependent enhancement is observed when infected with various strains of coronaviruses, Ebola virus, Zika virus (Dengue), RSV (human respiratory syncytial virus) and some strains of influenza (H1N1, H2N2, H3N2, etc.). That is, it is common with viruses belonging to the ARVI group. This is due to the body's natural defense mechanism. When infected with viruses from the ARVI group, stable and long-term immunity is not developed (COVID-19 is a group of ARVI viruses), since the body produces antibodies to overcome the disease, and then seeks to get rid of them so as not to face the more serious problem of antibody-dependent intensification of the infection. That is, it is a natural human defense mechanism and it is impossible to bypass it, which has been shown in more than 2700 publications and studies over the past 20 years.
The effect of ADE leads to severe autoimmune pathologies that can be fatal. In RSV cases, fatal immunopathologies can also be induced by cellular memory [29]. Also in a number of publications you can find a description of the vaccine-dependent enhancement of the disease [30].
Thus, all scientific publications and experience in creating vaccines for the prevention of coronaviruses indicate that such vaccines are absolutely useless for the prevention of coronavirus infections, and at the same time cause severe autoimmune pathologies due to the mechanism of antibody-dependent intensification of infection, such as oncology, diabetes mellitus and others. , as well as deaths.
That is why the creation of vaccines for the prevention of coronavirus infections has been recognized in numerous publications as dangerous to humans. [31; 32; 33; 34; 35; 36; 37; 38]
Problems associated with the ADE effect and the new disease, COVID-19, can be roughly divided into two types:
1) increased penetration of the virus into the cell and its replication (reproduction);
2) the formation of immune complexes that cause increased inflammation (cytokine storm) and immunopathological reactions (Th2 autoimmune reactions).
By this mechanism, immunopathological lung reactions develop, which have been observed in severe and fatal cases in patients suffering from COVID-19. It has been suggested that both of these mechanisms arise when antibodies bind to viral antigens, but do not block or neutralize them [39]. This can occur both due to insufficient concentration of specific antibodies, and due to rapid mutation of the virus.
According to the independent organization GISAID [40], in the period from December 2019 to December 2020, over 3568 genomic hCoV-19 varieties were obtained worldwide from all countries, including Russia. If we compare with the data on influenza or tuberculosis provided by the same independent organization, we will see that coronaviruses mutate at an incredible rate. In particular, for tuberculosis from January 1970 to August 2018 (over 48 years), 999 genomic varieties of Mycobacterium tuberculosis were obtained [41]. And for influenza A from December 2013 to September 2020 (over 7 years), 1611 genomic varieties were identified [42].
The spike protein (S-protein, spike-protein) of the coronavirus causes the virus to enter cells. It binds to a receptor on the surface of the host cell, and then the membranes of the virus and the host fuse.
At the cellular level, a neutralizing monoclonal antibody (MAb), which targets the receptor-binding domain of the Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS), has been shown to cause the virus to enter the human cell. MAb binds to the surface spike of the virus, thus causing conformational changes and facilitating proteolytic activation. At the same time, MAb binds to the Fc IgG receptor on the surface of the human cell, increasing the ability of the virus to enter the host cell. These data suggest that the antibody / Fc receptor complex functionally mimics the viral receptor, mediating the entry of the virus into the immune cell. [43]
That is, it is the phenomenon of antibody-dependent intensification of infection that can explain why the same disease for some people is "asymptomatic", while for others it ends in death.

[hagen]

Quote: Alex2711

My confidence is based on personal experience.

Is your signature on the file offered for reading worth it?

[Alex2711]

Are you suggesting that I personally conduct research? I'm a techie, not a medic. You can read the whole study, here is the link:
http://expert-doctors.site/expert/ekspertiza-vaktsin-protiv-sars-cov-2/

[hagen]

Quote: Alex2711

I'm a techie, not a medic.

I'm a techie too. That is why I am not trying to master the conclusions built in narrowly specialized formulations and intended for specialists of the corresponding profile. And I also know that serious money has been thrown to discredit our vaccines, and it is being mastered by services that are quite advanced in disinformation. Looking at how professionally any achievements of Russia are "trampled" on the Internet, this money works quite effectively. And they achieve serious results. For example, over a year and a half in Russia, about 1,4 trillion rubles have been spent on the treatment of covid, about 1 trillion has not been received. (The budget of the Russian Federation is about 20 trillion rubles) For my part, I trust more information from people I know. For example, chief doctors in villages in our region who are 80-90% vaccinated. Analyzing the patients coming to them and the state of the microcollects from which these patients were withdrawn, they say that our vaccines work. And not bad.

[Alex2711]

What does the discrediting of our vaccines have to do with it? In my opinion, all these vaccines are raw. How can such a vaccine or PCR test be done without the corona virus DNA? From the point of view of medicine, this is impossible, but from the point of view of the vaccine manufacturer, it is elementary. And how can you talk about their safety if the tests have not yet passed? 1,4 trillion rubles were not spent, but mastered! There is a difference. First, they lie around, and then they say - believe us, everything is fine.

[Alex2711]

At the same time, they took responsibility for the consequences, and our government forces us to take responsibility before vaccination.

[Ilya22558]

Where do the deviators come from? Is it from the actions of the authorities? Euros, parades, Scarlet Sails, MAX ... This is all normal, there is no pandemic, but how to get vaccinated is a pandemic! I remember an old anecdote about a cross and panties ...

[hagen]

Quote: Ilya22558

Where do the deviators come from? Is it from the actions of the authorities? Euro, parades, Scarlet Sails, MAX ...

How do you associate Scarlet Sails with Dodgers? Dodgers are people motivated by someone or something to refuse vaccination. And they did not arise with a pandemic, but much earlier. Back in the 90s ... In the pandemic, this refusal is also motivated by external "players" hoping to penetrate our farm. market for the purpose of making money on us. There is an unreasonable protest, allegedly for the freedom of the individual. There may be other sources of reasons for refusal. This is not a plowed field. I have not seen any serious research on this topic.

[Ilya22558]

It's simple: the deviators do not trust the state. The state holds holidays gathering crowds of people on the one hand (everything is fine with us) and actively planting the vaccine on the other (we will all die if we do not inject ourselves).
Now about foreign pharma: it is almost impossible to penetrate our market without permission from above. Experts from one Moscow Federal State Budgetary Institution and auditors from one of the ministries know their business so well that they can get to the bottom of the pillar ... Believe me, I know very well what I'm talking about)))

[hagen]

Quote: Ilya22558

it is almost impossible to penetrate our market without permission from above.

We can penetrate the European markets only with the lifting of the bans on their products. And without the recognition of our vaccines, even our vaccinated there are not recognized as such, respectively, there are problems with travel, both tourist and business. It can be clearly predicted that this situation will not end in one year. It is necessary to somehow adjust life taking into account the existing realities.

[Ilya22558]

As such, there is no prohibition, there may be an unofficial indication, after which the registration of a drug can last an infinitely long time (and everything is within the framework of national legislation).
Our drugs cannot penetrate the European markets, since the national legislation in Russia is softer than the European one (requirements of Decision 77 of the EAEU against EU GMP). Without the EU GMP certificate of conformity, the manufacturer cannot register the drug in Europe. A certificate of conformity can be issued by the inspectorate of any EU member state, but other countries may not recognize it and send their own auditors. So bureaucratic barriers from both sides are extremely reliable))))
It is clear that the manufacturer from each side, lobbying for their interests, will try to prevent competitors from entering their territory. Here is the question of the recognition of the domestic vaccine by the WHO. They will say that Russian vaccines also protect and we will travel without problems.

[Roman070280]

Dodgers are people motivated by someone or something to refuse vaccination.

So, after all, they write above about "motivation" - Euros, parades, Scarlet Sails, MAKS ... This is all normal, there is no pandemic, but how to get vaccinated is a pandemic!
Homo sapiens, all this should at least make you think ..
And the rest can blame the "external players" too.

[Alex2711]

http://expert-doctors.site/expert/ekspertiza-vaktsin-protiv-sars-cov-2/

[hagen]

In response to a 60-page statement on the dangers of a vaccine, there is no less of a statement that our vaccines are at least safe. And in life, no competitor has provided data on deaths as a result of vaccination. There are heaps of articles on the Internet about how harmful WI-FI emitters and cellular stations are. However, you are probably using all kinds of modern "harm" and these conclusions and articles do not upset you. Is that so? And besides, who can guarantee that everything written is really written and signed by the persons indicated in the article? The Internet is a collection of truth and lies at the same time. Do you know exactly where the truth is, and where the lie is in this "trash heap"?

[Alex2711]

You may be right, and this study is all lies, but there are a couple of facts:
1. PCR tests are based on a comparison of the DNA taken from the patient and the DNA of the virus.
2. To create a modern (such as Sputnik) vaccine, you need to isolate the DNA of the virus.
According to the WHO, the DNA of the corona has not yet been isolated, they have only a mathematical model that is 80% accurate.
If you believe the WHO, it turns out that the PCR tests are lying and the vaccine knows what.
So I don’t know who to believe, but I don’t want to experiment on myself and my children.
Will you give your children to inject with Sputnik?

[hagen]

Quote: Alex2711

Will you give your children to inject with Sputnik?

We are all vaccinated and, characteristically, do not feel bad at all.

[Alex2711]

Here's a study, read:
http://expert-doctors.site/expert/ekspertiza-vaktsin-protiv-sars-cov-2/

[Okolotochny]

How did you get it. As an article about building a fleet, so blame Russia and present China. And we must behave like the Chinese, and not nod at the authorities. In Wuhan, do you remember the quarantine, you saw the footage? The multimillion-strong city was simply empty, all the Chinese faithfully followed the order of the authorities, sat at home. And remember the quarantine kebabs when many citizens simply hammered the BOLT into danger and the introduction of quarantine. I will change the saying: "There is no point in nodding at the authorities if the mug itself is crooked." You have to start with yourself, and not nod at the authorities in your irresponsibility and slovenliness.

[72jora72]

And we must behave like the Chinese, and not nod at the authorities. In Wuhan, do you remember the quarantine, you saw the footage? The multimillion-strong city was just empty, all the Chinese regularly followed the order of the authorities, sat at home

You would be wary and with some degree of skepticism about the information that the Chinese authorities give out, I can upload you a video for February-March 2020 from Wuhan, where rock concerts, thousands of pool parties (and not a single masked person) took place. .......

[Machito]

Quote: Hagen

Quote: Dalny V

You go out into the street, where people are already violating the impudent mask regime (and the guardians of this ... how is it ... the law for such violations already do not care), and nothing, there is no jump, well, anyway, something is wrong!

Last year, a video was circulated on the Internet, showing how police officers of a motorcyclist in India, without a mask, were "leaving" with bamboo sticks. Apparently, without such measures, "something is wrong" for a long time. Do you remember the phrase of Abdulov in the film "Genius" - "the country of the frightened ...."? And there is. We try to comprehend and evaluate subtle, narrowly specialized issues requiring remarkable profound knowledge at the level of high school knowledge, seriously believing in our own abilities. Isn't it wild and funny? The situation with the pandemic in Russia cannot be corrected without pressure on the "deviators". There is no need to wait for measures to increase pressure until the end of September. Therefore, we will bury the money under the "covid beds" and groan from their lack in other places. Perhaps the most effective in overcoming epidemics were the communists of the USSR and today's Chinese. They did not ask anyone for consent, they simply vaccinated everyone in a row and promptly corrected the situation.

Can it be easier to prohibit the rich and those in power from traveling abroad and bringing the infection from there is easier? And those who come from a business trip to send to quarantine and medical examination? Last year, during the outbreak of the epidemic, the Minister of Health of the Krasnodar Territory went to Italy to shop, brought the coronavirus from there in the form of a bonus and infected her employees.
As a result, the rich go abroad on public money, bring the infection from there and from under the stick force the poor to be vaccinated with a crude, poorly tested vaccine.
There is no coronavirus in the DPRK. And if the USSR were now, we would not have had any epidemic either. Not because everyone was forced to be vaccinated with an early-ripening vaccine under the duress, but because there would not be anybody hanging around in the areas of the epidemic abroad. And we would watch horror films about dying Americans in the International Panorama.

[hagen]

Quote: Bearded

And if the USSR were now, we would not have had any epidemic either.

You just don't know what happened during the Soviet era. Pravda did not write about this. Only today we learn in fits and starts what happened then. Do you want to fence off the whole world with a fence? Will not help....

Quote: Bearded

Can it be easier to forbid the rich and those in power to travel abroad and bring the infection from there?

Russian citizens in 2019 made 48 million trips abroad, i.e. one third of the country's population. Are you sure that this third will agree with you?

[Machito]

In the internet I read information that the coronavirus was still under the USSR. And several times.
48 million trips are not 48 million citizens. No need to dissemble. Simply, someone eats meat, and someone eats cabbage, and all together stuffed cabbage. We have only 5-10% of wealthy citizens, the middle class is also very insignificant and has greatly thinned out since 2014. Although, if we agree with the GDP that the recipient of 17 sput belongs to the middle class, then everything is fine with us, wonderful marquise. He has a different idea of ​​money: in Zavidovo, a sandwich with red caviar costs three rubles.

[hagen]

Quote: Bearded

48 million trips are not 48 million citizens.

Well, of course, it's a dozen rich people doing shuttle running ... But whoever you ask, everyone spent his vacation either in Turkey or in Thailand.

Quote: Bearded

Although, if we agree with the GDP that the recipient of 17 sput belongs to the middle class, then everything is fine with us, wonderful marquise.

Obviously, your neighbor sang about "the middle class and the words VVP" (well, or disinformers calling themselves journalists). You read the interview in full, not the ripped out phrases. For example: “In an interview with TASS for the project“ 20 Questions to Vladimir Putin, ”he drew attention to the fact that“ the middle class is different in every country ”and it is wrong to identify the Russian middle class with the standard of living in France, Germany or the United States. Putin noted that according to the methodology of the World Bank, the middle class includes people whose income is one and a half times the minimum wage.
"We have a lot of them, confidently over 70%," the head of state emphasized, recalling that the average salary in Russia is much higher than the minimum wage, which in 2019 was 11,28 thousand rubles.
"We have it [the middle class], our task is only to strengthen this middle class and increase [its] income", - Putin concluded ...." Are the differences from "all is well ....." noticeable?

[savage1976]

Do you think he is interested in the full quote? Yes, he needs a HYIP and no more, but the truth is there or nonsense to him.

[hagen]

Quote: savage1976

Do you think he is interested in the full quote? Yes, he needs a HYIP and no more, but the truth is there or nonsense to him.

I think that in some cases a person trusts misinformation presented to him in a beautiful and almost truthful package. Sometimes it is worth trying to give a person a primary source, and he will begin to think in the future so that left-wing people do not "have" it in their heads. Maybe someone doesn't need the truth. Well, that could be so. But this does not mean that one should abandon attempts to reveal the truth to people as it is, without distortions and interpretations beneficial to someone. At VOKU, I was taught to trust primarily the primary sources. Maybe I can give someone good advice. I received warnings for striving for the truth during the day 4. One thing is good - inquisitorial bonfires in the past

[aglet]

"Are the differences from" all is well ..... "noticeable?"
what's wrong in the quote? other incomes for the middle class?

[hagen]

Quote: aglet

what's wrong in the quote? other incomes for the middle class?

The stated attitude towards income is different. In the quote - "17 tr and all is well", and the primary source - "... our task is only to strengthen this middle class and ramp up [his] income. "

[aglet]

".. our task is only to strengthen this middle class and increase [its] income."
Well? the same 17tr, side view, it will not be possible to build up further, the extension into a snag has mutated

[Revival]

And someone asks someone for consent?
More than a third didn’t agree with Pence’s reform, but it’s easy for them ...

[hagen]

Quote: Revival

And someone asks someone for consent?

If today there is a problem with vaccination in Russia, then there are those who do not want to be vaccinated, and no one can force them. Only restrictions on admission to the workplace, if there is a legal basis.

[Revival]

The legal basis for us is easily "sucked out of the finger", and 2 × 2 = 5 is easily explained without blushing

[hagen]

Quote: Revival

The legal basis is easily sucked out of our fingers,

You just never explained to the prosecutor's office on complaints of various kinds. It's not all that easy and simple, believe me. Sometimes it ends with the disqualification of managers of different ranks. The thing is not very pleasant.

[Revival]

I'm not talking about every little thing, but when "who needs a leg."

[hagen]

Quote: Revival

I'm not talking about every little thing

Some ordinary citizens, as you put it "trifle", actually go to the Supreme Court. There are precedents when prosecutors were simply fired from their jobs for a clear non-legal decision on a seemingly harmless case. Each "leg" may have a different look.

[Revival]

When someone needs a leg, they say, and the COP shamefacedly rewrites to its opposite definition

[hagen]

Quote: Revival

When someone needs a leg, they say, and the COP shamefacedly rewrites to its opposite definition

It would be interesting to look at an example. And then, they say, in Moscow, chickens are milked, but I went, but I did not find boobs

[Revival]

The Constitutional Court also explained its own ruling from 1998, when the judges of the Constitutional Court came to the conclusion that the then President Boris Yeltsin could not run for a third term. The current situation has nothing to do with that, says the conclusion of the Constitutional Court: then Article 81 on the calculation of the president's terms did not change, and the situation was assessed from the point of view of a clearly established limitation.

And yes, this is not double standards or hypocrisy, but "changed historical conditions."
PS.
I can search and throw off the definition itself, it's just big.

[hagen]

Quote: Revival

The Constitutional Court also explained its own ruling from 1998,

Have you noticed that the times are somewhat different? Under EBN, a lot happened from the fact that the GDP strenuously overcame. So your example is a little out of time.

[Revival]

I noticed the cop wrote

[Humpty]

Quote: Hagen

The situation with the pandemic in Russia cannot be corrected without pressure on the "deviators".

The chip prevents them from vaccinating. The example with Abdulov is really not very helpful. He, as an obscurantist, quite took place. He drank kerosene with shamans, thereby trying to defeat oncology.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Hagen

The situation with the pandemic in Russia cannot be corrected without pressure on the "deviators".

What are you saying...
1. To close the departure of Russian citizens on vacation to countries with a high level of infection and the presence of mutations.
2. Close the entry to Russia for foreign citizens from countries with a high level of infection and the presence of mutations.
3. Conduct daily sanitization of living quarters.
4. Sanitize public transport passenger compartments after each flight.
And pressure should be dealt with those who feast during the plague at various forums and congresses (there is a video with obvious violations of quarantine measures) and lie to fellow citizens about helping those who are sick. There are connections - they will put it down, there are no acquaintances - you will lie in the corridor. And enough campaigning here. It was necessary to build hospitals, not a shopping and entertainment center, and ... well, you know what they poked in every city like candles in the birthday party's cake.

[hagen]

Quote: ROSS 42

What are you saying...
1. To close the departure of Russian citizens on vacation to countries with a high level of infection and the presence of mutations.
2. Close the entry to Russia for foreign citizens from countries with a high level of infection and the presence of mutations.

Do you offer an Iron Curtain? He was in the USSR. Did he help when the plague was brought to Moscow? And when did an incomprehensible flu appear in the Urals? HIV was also introduced during the Soviet era. Today it will not be possible to seal off the entire world hermetically. Create conditions like in the DPRK? You will be the first to propose to put the President on a stake.

Quote: ROSS 42

Conduct daily sanitization of living quarters.
4. Sanitize public transport passenger compartments after each flight.

Will you run disinfectants into your apartment? I doubt. Processing transport after each trip will raise the cost of transportation, and noticeably.

Quote: ROSS 42

It was necessary to build hospitals, not a shopping and entertainment center, and ... well, you know what they poked in every city like candles in the birthday party's cake.

Will the budget pull? The mall, by the way, is not built by the state, but by entrepreneurs for their own money and at their own risk. It is good to talk about the construction of hospitals when you have an idea of ​​the amount of funding and the possibility of maintaining after the recession of the wave of the epidemic. I would like to point out to you that maintaining a hospital is serious money. The optimization of the Ministry of Health was not invented because of a good life. Namely, from the fact that there was simply not enough money. There are still not enough of them, no matter what reports sound from the TV. Our hospitals are not at all glamorous, and some exist on the brink of survival. You can rummage through the budget, so tell me who to take the money from? Among educated people? The Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs? Well, yes, there are funds of the President. They disperse on unplanned emergency situations. Let's use them. And let the flooded Khabarovsk Territory or the burning Yakutsk (for example) save themselves? These are all very difficult questions. Giving advice is easier, sometimes impossible to do.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Hagen

Do you offer an Iron Curtain?

I propose effective quarantine measures.

Quote: Hagen

Did he help when the plague was brought to Moscow?

So tell us, be consistent like that plague smallpox was eliminated ... Remind me?

It took 44 days from the moment the infection was brought to Moscow until the outbreak was eliminated, and from the start of the organized fight against the outbreak to its complete stop - only 19 days.
As a result of the outbreak, 45 people fell ill with smallpox, of whom three died.

Quote: Hagen

Will you run disinfectants into your apartment?

Are you really "not sharp" or are you pretending? Sanitary treatment of entrances with aerosols and daily cleaning of basement floors by PRUE employees. I can handle it myself at home.

Quote: Hagen

Will the budget pull? The mall, by the way, is not built by the state, but entrepreneurs for their own money and at their own risk

Do not tell me about the "desires of entrepreneurs" and about the budget in which Mr. Kudrin finds unspent trillions. In the USSR, over a thirty-year period, they made steps from the Civil War against cholera, plague and typhus to a developed industrial power. And you will tell me why under capitalism it is impossible to create what is necessary and useful for the people of the country.
It is not necessary to skerry through the bunkers, but sometimes to go out to people and not waste away over the gold, like that koshchey.

[tasha]

It is not necessary to skerry through the bunkers, but sometimes to go out to people and not waste away over the gold, like that koshchey.

Yuri Vasilievich, I did not expect from you. I know you in absentia for a long time and I read the comments with interest, but the statements about the bunker are like a litmus test, the level of a person is well demonstrated.

[hagen]

Quote: ROSS 42

I propose effective quarantine measures.

You propose measures that, apart from harm, will not bring any benefit, because there is already an infection in the country.

Quote: ROSS 42

So tell us, be consistent, how that smallpox plague was eliminated ... Remind me?

I gave you an example of how smallpox passed through the Iron Curtain. You did not understand? The measures you proposed did not help then, and will not help today. That's what I mean.

Quote: ROSS 42

Are you really "not sharp" or are you pretending? Sanitary treatment of entrances with aerosols and daily cleaning of basement floors by PRUE employees. I can handle it myself at home.

This is not enough for you. You talked about living quarters

Quote: ROSS 42

3. Conduct daily sanitization of living quarters.

Entrances to residential premises do not apply. In an apartment building, the living quarters are apartments. Not entrances, flights of stairs and wheelchairs. You form your thought correctly, there will be no misunderstandings.

Quote: ROSS 42

Do not tell me about the "desires of entrepreneurs" and about the budget in which Mr. Kudrin finds unspent trillions. In the USSR, over a thirty-year period, they made steps from the Civil War against cholera, plague and typhus to a developed industrial power.

I read these slogans in every book with the materials of the next congresses of the CPSU. You still live in them. Go down to earth and understand, we do not print dollars. And each new ruble must correspond to the volume of products produced. Therefore, the country can only live on what it earns, otherwise inflation and economic imbalance. You have to live within your means. And you, not knowing these means, propose utopian plans. It is necessary to count everything ... to increase the country's income and reduce unproductive costs. You are not an economist, is it worth crawling into the jungle of strategic planning and the formation of industries on a national scale?

[your1970]

Quote: ROSS 42

In the USSR, over a thirty-year period, they made steps from the Civil War against cholera, plague and typhus to a developed industrial power

-Remember the technology? If someone then raised the topic - "Yes, the vaccine is not tested, but the medicine is lying, and the bunker shkeritsya" - he would have been cured very quickly - brilliant green on his forehead. And a little later, for the same thing, they would just be put in a psychiatric hospital ...

Quote: ROSS 42

It took 44 days from the moment the infection was brought to Moscow until the outbreak was eliminated, and from the start of the organized fight against the outbreak to its complete stop - only 19 days.

-who is that vaccine for 19 days checked ??? Everyone was injected silently, without rassosolivaniya on the radio and newspapers
"Prisoner of the Caucasus" © do you remember? "There is an epidemic of foot and mouth disease in the area" and everyone is silent took off their pants ...

[your1970]

Quote: ROSS 42

In the USSR, over a thirty-year period, they made steps from the Civil War against cholera, plague and typhus to a developed industrial power.

-everything is simple and boring

Decree of the Council of People's Commissars.
On compulsory smallpox vaccination.
In order to more successfully combat the smallpox epidemic and to improve the current setting of smallpox vaccination, the Council of People's Commissars decided:

1. To establish the obligatory vaccination of smallpox in the Republic on the following grounds:
Compulsory smallpox vaccination is subject to:
1) all newly born before the expiration of the first year of life,
2) all applicants to educational institutions of all types, shelters and boarding schools,
3) all those entering and entering the army and navy,
4) workers and employees in all enterprises and institutions,
5) all those entering prisons and other places of detention.
....................................
4. Persons evading compulsory vaccination, as well as persons who have not bothered to timely carry out compulsory vaccination of their minor children or other minors in their care, as well as institutions that are in charge of the population groups subject to vaccination, are subject to liability before the People's Court.

5. To instruct the People's Commissariat of Health to urgently develop rules and instructions for the implementation of this decree.

Signed:

Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars V. Ulyanov (Lenin).
People's Commissar of Health N. Semashko.
Head of the Council of People's Commissars V. Bonch-Bruevich.
L. Fotieva, Secretary of the Council of People's Commissars.
10 April 1919 of the year.

Published in No. 79 Izvestia of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee of Soviets dated April 12, 1919.

[tasha]

1. Do you watch the news? Where can Russian citizens go?
2. Have you heard about the quarantine for visitors?
3. And this is also carried out
4. Sanitization of public transport interiors is a recommended measure. In many regions - MANDATORY.

We had to build hospitals

Here you are right. And now, we will go and say: "But I warned you, but I said, to what the country was brought by this buffoon PZh ..." or will we at least somehow fight?

[bk0010]

Quote: ROSS 42

3. Conduct daily sanitization of living quarters.
4. Sanitize public transport passenger compartments after each flight.

It makes no sense: the virus is transmitted from person to person, the peptide membrane is destroyed on the inanimate surface of the virus, and since the virus is not alive, it will not be able to restore it. Without it, the virus will not let the cell through. Although viral RNAs will still be detectable for three days.

[savage1976]

"During an epidemic, do not vaccinate." another nonsense from people who cannot understand. It should be understood that there are different epidemics, seasonal like the flu, they visit us regularly and there, yes, when the epidemic has already begun, vaccinations are not given, for the reason that a person's immunity is weakened, but there are incoming epidemics that appear and disappear from nowhere and then then vaccinations are given regardless of whether there is an epidemic or not. From historical facts, this is, for example, the 50s of the last century, an epidemic of poliomyelitis, at the height of the epidemic, vaccinations were made without researching the effect on reproduction, on side effects, and they started with the most expensive thing, with children. From cheesh probably monsters were moreover and did not ask consent, they just vaccinated everyone. And the vaccine also has a side effect, can you imagine, it can infect a healthy child, this vaccine is based on a live virus. But for some reason we vaccinate everyone and do not buzz, and then hysteria, WHO did not approve, and then WHO did not approve.

[Far B]

"They don't vaccinate during an epidemic." another nonsense from people who cannot understand

Oops. Are you very knowledgeable? It was not for nothing that I immediately pointed out that this is the opinion of scientists-epidemiologists, in this case - some Frenchman, professor-epidemiologist, almost a Nobel Prize winner (not a peace prize, of course, and not even literature). He reasons this by the fact that in such cases the virus mutates much faster (which, by the way, we observe with enviable regularity - either a British strain, then an Indian, then some other Papuan). If you think that you are able to discuss with such an opponent on an equal footing - go ahead and with the song, and I will look and listen.

It should be understood that there are different epidemics, seasonal like the flu, they visit us regularly and there, yes, when the epidemic has already begun, vaccinations are not given, for the reason that a person's immunity is weakened, but there are incoming epidemics that appear and disappear from nowhere and then then vaccinations are given regardless of whether there is an epidemic or not

Generally tin. Have you forgotten that we were convinced from the very beginning that the crown is a “season”? The first two waves, by the way, were in spring and autumn, which confirms the seasonality of the covid. The third wave started in the summer, but this is thanks to the Indian strain.
And where did you get the idea that polio vaccines were also "raw"?

[Woodman]

Quote: Dalny V

Generally tin. Have you forgotten that we were convinced from the very beginning that the crown is a “season”?

There was no such thing. Initially, it was just said that at high temperatures in the summer, the virus will spread less actively. There was not a word about the season. Unless all sorts of predictors broadcast that the virus itself will disappear in one day.

[Far B]

Initially, it was just said that at high temperatures in the summer, the virus will spread less actively

Firstly, exactly the opposite - they nodded at China and its Wuhan and argued that the virus feels better in a warm climate. And secondly, the exacerbation of the incidence at a certain time of the year is the "season".

[savage1976]

I will not have to debate with some Frenchmen. It is unlikely that he reads VO, I am debating with you. And he gave you a completely historical fact about vaccination during an epidemic, and not someone's words under a photo on the Internet, but another reader brought another historical fact about cholera in 1972 and vaccination of the population during an epidemic., So either a picture with the statement is false and you spread a lie, or with French you are not very good. As for the dampness of the polio vaccine, so Chumakov went to the United States in 1957, returned to the USSR in 1958 and began vaccinating children in 1959, created a vaccine in 2 years and managed to test it in the same 2 years and learn about its safety. effects on health, reproduction and more? Even after 60 years, it is not absolutely safe, I wrote about the side effect above. And even then, save thousands of children's lives from the wheels and waste decades on research. Oh well. Well, you have already been told about the seasonality above, there may have been assumptions, but that is what they are assumptions about. Not only everyone can look to the future.

[Far B]

I will not have to debate with some Frenchmen, it is unlikely that he reads VO, I am discussing with you

Why should I debate with you? Are you some kind of value in epidemiology? For me, the opinion of this pepper is much more valuable:

French virologist, Nobel laureate Luc Montagnier said that vaccination against coronavirus is a big mistake.

Joke details in tyrnet.

As for the dampness of the polio vaccine, Chumakov went to the United States in 1957, returned to the USSR in 1958 and in 1959 began to vaccinate children.

Study the question to begin with. Clinical trials of the Sabin strain in America began in 1957. In the USSR, a vaccine based on it was launched into production in 1960 (in the States, it received a license a year later). So three full years. Of course, you will not learn about the effect on reproduction during this period, but to obtain information about

safety, health effects and much more

quite a sufficient period.

[savage1976]

And, this is the one who says "HIV can be defeated with proper nutrition and supplementation, and drugs and vaccines are not needed." Well, yes, authority, of course. Well, eat.

[Yamamoto]

Ahahah))) Montagnier ?? Yes, this obscurantist sanctifies living water and promotes torsion fields

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: savage1976

another nonsense from people who cannot understand

Do you consider the opinion of academicians Zverev and Chuchalin, who are specialists in virology, nonsense?
Excuse me, what is your scientific degree?

[savage1976]

Do you think the work of Gamaley, who defeated plague, smallpox, typhus, cholera, Smorodintsev and Zilber worked on a vaccine against encephalitis, Chamakov for saving from poliomyelitis, Smorodintsev worked on a vaccine against influenza and measles? So maybe you have created some kind of miracle pill for all diseases? So share your work with the members of the forum.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: savage1976

Do you think Gamaley's work is nonsense,

The guys are in the subject, and are directly interested. You have not answered my question, preferring to ask another.

Quote: savage1976

So share your work with the members of the forum.

Easy - pepper, horseradish and mead! Own production. In addition, natural vaccines - honey, garlic, onion, propolis, tincture of eleutrococ, and many other "pills"!
Oh yes, I forgot the bathhouse!

[savage1976]

Well, yes, it is probably with such drugs that supporters of the French Nobel laureate offer to treat HIV and cancer. But they themselves complain about medicine. This is probably because doctors do not prescribe these drugs. I do not have scientific degrees, but there are people who learn from history, all epidemics in the history of mankind have been defeated by vaccines. But alas, there are many who do not learn anything at all.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: savage1976

all epidemics in the history of mankind have been defeated by vaccines

Not all, as shown by the failure of the flu vaccination.

[savage1976]

Well, it was never obligatory, so, at will. But for example, in 17, 40% of the country's citizens were vaccinated, 87 people died from the flu. Alas, there is no data on whether they were vaccinated. Isn't this a victory? And in the USSR, where there was no flu vaccination in 1977-8, several hundred thousand people died from SARS during the flu epidemic.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: savage1976

40% of the country's citizens were vaccinated, 87 people died of influenza.

I don’t know where 40% came from, but they are clearly far from the truth. According to personal observations, the percentage of people vaccinated against influenza never exceeded 10%.
Further, if, when determining the cause of death, they did PCR for influenza, and wrote it as the main cause of death, the covid would nervously smoke on the sidelines!

[savage1976]

Check out No. 199. Decree of the Council of People's Commissars. These are the very ones who made a superpower out of an agrarian country; illiteracy and homelessness won. And why are they such a stupid decree in the period of the epidemic, looking for and instigating everyone.

[Gardamir]

You will go out into the street, where people are already violating the impudent mask mode

These are little things. Remember on July 25 in St. Petersburg there was a holiday of anti-moss.

[Svarog]

Quote: Dalny V

Don't convince - that's all

In Sweden, they write zero mortality this year .. the Swedes have acquired immunity even without vaccination .. but in Israel, the wave has risen again, despite the fact that everyone is vaccinated .. Well, the virus is constantly mutating .. it is obvious that now they will be vaccinated every half a year. . until the very end, so to speak ..

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: Svarog

in Israel, the wave has risen again, despite the fact that everyone is vaccinated.

Privalov says that it was brought from Europe. But then really, why are these vaccinations?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Roman Skomorokhov

Privalov says that it was brought from Europe. But then really, why are these vaccinations?

Yes it is.
Every day 35-45 thousand people fly out, when they return, 100-150 people are detected every day.
But many of the disease develops within 4-5 days after infection and they are not detected at the airport.
As of yesterday, 15521 were infected approximately 2000 per day.
According to a report by the Israeli Ministry of Health, 40% of those infected with coronavirus in the country are in the 0-19 age group. And only 7% are over 70 years old. Moreover, 58% of seriously ill patients are over 70 years old.
Decision made by the government start the third vaccination from August 1, over 60 years old.
Studies have shown that the third, vaccination 5 months after the second increases antibodies from 5 to 10 times.
The group that was vaccinated did not have severe side effects, only mild pain along with the injection and some have mild fever.
The first to be vaccinated, the President of the country and the mother Example of Minister Benet.

[Humpty]

Quote: Roman Skomorokhov

then really, why are these vaccinations?

Approximately then, why and heating in the house.

[Woodman]

Quote: Svarog

In Sweden, they write zero mortality this year ... the Swedes have gained immunity even without vaccination

In the same place where they write about zero mortality (since July 14), they also write there that in Sweden more than 50% of the population have undergone a full course of vaccination.

Sweden has achieved zero deaths from coronavirus. About this, referring to the data of the World Health Organization (WHO), writes TASS.

Since July 14, there have been no deaths among those infected in the kingdom. About 50% of the country's population have already completed the full course of vaccination. Sweden has recently recorded an average of 400 to 600 cases of covid per day - 6% of the maximum daily average recorded in December.

[Russian jacket]

And there is. Just some in their argumentation read only the beginning of the article. I recommend watching Konstantin Severinov. Biologist. Professor at Rutgers University. And as usual, a liberal. BUT adequate. Especially his interview with EHU Matzo. I didn't think that I would refer to Venediktov's brainchild :))))

[Yamamoto]

Quote: Svarog

Swedes and without vaccination acquired immunity

Are you joking? Look at the statistics - in Sweden, almost 70% of the population is already vaccinated

[Niko]

To throw ALL forces on registration (no one needs), or on production? " This is strong ... there is only one person working there ??? Or or??? The most elementary package of documents cannot be prepared ... which should have been this way anyway

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: Dalny V

You go out into the street, where people are already violating the impudent mask regime (and the guardians of this ... how is it ... the law for such violations already do not care), and nothing, there is no leap

And what about "Scarlet Sails" in St. Petersburg, football, "Krymnash"? There, too, 90% were without masks, and nothing.

[Far B]

So that's what we are talking about. I reminded Carstorm about last year's rallies in Khabar, when at the same time, in a strange way, the incidence was decreasing, but his memory was very successful in this regard.
No, I do not deny the presence of the crown as such and the danger from it. But the hysteria, IMHO, is overblown. Strongly unnecessary. And when all this idiot is over, they will pull out many, many skeletons from someone's closets.

[your1970]

Quote: Dalny V

No, I do not deny the presence of the crown as such and the danger from it. But the hysteria, IMHO, is overblown. Strongly unnecessary.

And the people will say "Oh, shut up !!!!!! So, in general, a pipe !!!!!! Aaaaaaaa !!!!"

[tasha]

Roman, hello! Do you know what the problem is? Covid-19 is not so contagious as to have any effect on the minds ... Of the thousands who attended public events, only a few, maybe dozens of people are infected.
I don’t want to look for accurate statistics, but only 7 million people were infected with some result in Russia. These are cases identified. I can assume that several million more had been ill without symptoms and did not get into the field of view of doctors. It turns out - no more than 10% of the total population of the country and? percent from risk groups.
But even such figures have put such a burden on the health care system that those who see these statistics every day understand - just a little more and - a disaster. There will not be enough beds in covid dispensaries, there will not be enough ventilators for severe cases. There are not enough doctors anymore, do you understand? For a long time, senior students of medical universities have been attracted.
And vaccination is a preventive measure, the very straw that it is time to plant. It is still not clear to everyone, many and many people think - maybe it will. So it won't carry, brothers. You have not yet been ill, you have not yet seen ...
I've been on VO for a long time and I don't really need to lie One friend, a tough guy, the whole covid epic treated her like something out there. No mask, no distance, no vaccination .. Yeah, I picked it up three weeks ago. Viral pneumonia, 30% of lung damage. I saw him today, talked. You know, he is a personal example - he acts a lot on the brain. The first question from him - Are you grafted?
Let me remind you of my own story. I was ill in November last year. I do not recommend ....
In June I signed up for a vaccination, but then I talked to the members of the forum, then, behold .. I passed the analysis for antibodies - it seems like a high level. Transferred to later. At the beginning of August I put the first one.

[zlobny tatarin]

Give specific examples of scholarly rebukes. Not YouTube bloggers. You have one argument - "something is wrong with this covid".

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: zlobny tatarin

Give specific examples of scholarly rebukes

Ask for the opinion of academicians Zverev and Chuchalin, professors Poletaev and Shafalinov.

[raw174]

I was vaccinated with Sputnik in February and March (component 2). Transferred without problems, there was a slight pain in the injection area. I was vaccinated voluntarily, although some comrades talked about chipping, genetic modification, sterilization, etc.

[zenion]

Dalniy V. The amazing thing about this virus is that in the summer all viruses go on vacation, and this one is forced to work without interruption. And if this virus falls from exhaustion, another similar virus, and the third and fourth, is immediately launched. There was a Spanish flu that worked and disappeared. And this one is not appeased in any way. Very much like a beetle. Meeting on the farm. The chairman is reading a speech and is already fired up. We were tortured by a beetle. Last year we planted 40 hectares of potatoes - the beetle ate everything. This year we planted 60 hectares of potatoes - the beetle ate everything. So let’s plant 90 hectares of potatoes, let’s eat it and burst.

[alystan]

Unfortunately, they all have "dollyany" in almost all "mushroom" glades!
But, again, unfortunately, I will say, having changed the well-known famous phrase in this form: "Our mistakes are the essence of our torment!"
Of course, both are right. Only those who are ill, who have been ill and who have been ill (including those who may no longer be afraid of anything, alas) do not get any better from this!
In my opinion, they wander whenever and wherever they want, exactly those for whom covid requirements are not a decree, and not only!
Remember that there were all sorts of restrictions on age (children, for example), for health reasons (allergy sufferers, with cancer), pregnant women, etc.
Now they began to prepare for the vaccination of children, even the youngest age. Look at the age of the sick, he has become very "younger". There are a lot of young people in the covid branches, even babies have appeared ... In this case, what do you order the authorities to do, whose opinion should be heeded first of all? What are we to do with you, mere mortals? Continue to grumble, have fun, drive around the resorts? Everywhere the situation is awful, everyone is unbearably hard and scared. Many foreign citizens simply silently envy the Russians - they built hospitals, created almost ideal conditions for doctors (look at the largest democracy on the planet, India, it's scary to see how people are ready for anything (any conditions, including hospital), so that sick relatives not just to put in a hospital, but at least get medical oxygen and alleviate their suffering (maybe the last)!
And what about Russia? And in Russia you’re all hurt: if you want to go to the hospital - yes, please, you wanted oxygen - but for God's sake, what else would you please? Well, think about it and take your time! We will help you, despite your disregard for medical requirements! Fu, this is such nonsense, a trifle ...
And it's all for FREE, bliiin!
I suggest that doctors allow vaccinating those who wish from all over the world and for money! Even for small ones, not like in their countries! And what, our "blessed" will please and our medicine will look firmly at market relations! Then they will cut coupons from us! Then only in people will consciousness turn on, maybe? Can we then assert the opposite? Will we miss our chance or, as usual, will we bite our elbows? ...

[Alexey Kurilov_4]

Want to be convinced by a pathologist? You can't dispute his arguments

[gsev]

Quote: Dalny V

and nicho, there is no jump, well, anyway, something is wrong!

700 people in Russia die from covid a day. That is, 3 weeks of an epidemic in your "no jump" mode in terms of human losses is comparable to the day of the Great Patriotic War. In European countries where more than half of the population is vaccinated, there are 8-10 times fewer sertes, although almost as many can get sick per day as in Russia. In addition, the Indian stamp that began to rage in Russia is practically a new disease. And it is more dangerous than the stamps that appeared in Wuhan, about as much as the Wuhan stamp is more dangerous than the heavy stamps of the flu. If the death rate from the Wuhan stamp in Russia was knocked down by the vaccination of Russians with vaccines against other diseases, only vaccination with special anti-toxic vaccines can save from death from the Indian stamp. The experience of San Marino says that the Indian stamp there for the last 2 months has not been able to kill a single person. The experience of the United States and Israel says that pfizer greatly reduces mortality and mortality among those vaccinated. However, apparently the person will be vaccinated against covid now every 6-9 months. And all the unvaccinated will die out in 10 years, getting sick with covid on average once every 2 years, and each time losing 20% ​​of the initial ability of the lungs to saturate the body with oxygen. In the end, our people are law-abiding and the leadership should spur and call on their supporters several times to get vaccinated and wear masks correctly. Let the dissenting navalists die out from the covid.

[Living7111972]

My dad is a district doctor in Bashkiria, yesterday with a smear 40 people, today 30, Friday ... In Moscow, it is officially, as it were, decreasing, but now the periphery will go. Students and vacationers go home.

[not main]

Quote: Dalny V

like it or not, you conclude that the tantrum was obviously thrown in the heat of the moment.

And you tell this to those who have been ill, especially in a severe form! Are you also not interested in lethal outcomes?

[Old Horseradish]

Here is a fact.
40-year-old deputy head of the bailiff service died in Yekaterinburg

Relatives said that Yevgeny Shveikovsky's health deteriorated after vaccination
In Yekaterinburg, one of the heads of the regional department of the bailiff service Yevgeny Shveikovsky died. He was 40 years old. Information about the death of a civil servant was confirmed by several sources in the FSSP department.

Shveikovsky's parents believe that their son's death occurred after being vaccinated against coronavirus infection, which he did on July 12.

- Yes, our son really died after being vaccinated against the coronavirus. On Monday he was given a vaccine, and he immediately fell ill, we called an ambulance, she did not come. As a result, they came to the 40th hospital on Friday, but, apparently, it was already too late. He had a high temperature, 39 degrees, - noted the mother of Evgeny Shveikovsky.

The press service of the regional health ministry explained that only specialists can establish the cause of death.

[Old Horseradish]

Roszdravnadzor began an inspection due to the death of three family members in the Krasnodar Territory. As MK wrote, the father, mother and grandmother of the 13-year-old schoolgirl were hospitalized and died one after another shortly after being vaccinated against the coronavirus. All three reportedly had grounds for a medical disqualification from vaccination. In particular, the patients suffered from diabetes mellitus.

Guardianship of the orphaned girl was urgently issued by her aunt. The schoolgirl's grandfather remains in the hospital in serious condition, and her paternal grandmother is also hospitalized.

https://www.mk.ru/incident/2021/07/31/roszdravnadzor-nachal-proverku-smerti-semi-rossiyan-posle-privivki.html

[would]

(starting with the simplest - during an epidemic, vaccination is not carried out, this is an axiom in epidemiology

Textbook "Epidemiology", authors N.I. Briko, L.P. Zueva, volume 1, page 311.

It is important to conduct emergency immunization in case of outbreaks and epidemics, especially caused by a new variant of the pathogen, to which the population is susceptible.

It just doesn't make sense to analyze your message further, it is absolutely the same as the first pearl about a certain "axiom of epidemiology".

[seos]

You made a mistake, or rather did not notice due to inattention, this article from the Leader of United Russia Yevgeny Fedorov ... naturally he calls on everyone to live up to the glory of Putin .... Here is the answer to your question ...

[G17]

The author tries in vain to "expose the myths", but on each point only confirms the fears of people who do not want to set up medical experiments on themselves. For example, trying to dispel the belief “Vaccination is beneficial, first of all, by the pharmaceutical giants”, he himself admits that the world pharmaceutical giants will earn hundreds of billions from vaccines. And it is not difficult to predict that with the magical appearance of new strains, everyone will again be driven for a new vaccination - this is another hundreds of billions. Look further: "There is no trust in the domestic Sputnik V - they did it too quickly", "Cancer can be the result of vaccination", " After vaccination, there will be no children or they will be born unhealthy, "and so on. He himself writes that" there is not a single reliable study on the negative effect of Sputnik V vaccines on the ability to reproduce. " Further: “I will receive a vaccine during an epidemic - I will dramatically increase the chances of getting infected.” Here the author recognizes this danger and encourages the first days to “wear a mask”, the ineffectiveness of which has long been recognized by the WHO, but tactfully keeps silent that its purchase will again bring huge profits. And finally, "Sputnik V" is not the best vaccine, it is not for nothing that WHO has not yet approved it. " enemies of Russia. And finally, about the world conspiracy. The notorious Schwab at the Davos Forum was quite frank and he himself admitted that the death rate from COVID is several times less than from the flu. The global and Russian media scare people every day with statistics of cases and deaths from COVID. But then let's be honest and start publishing daily statistics on alcohol and tobacco consumption in Russia, as well as mortality due to this (including drunken accidents, stabbing, etc.). The numbers will turn out to be an order of magnitude higher. But this is not profitable, right?

[carstorm 11]

Something I do not remember such a flu from which 5000 people all over the country died a day.

[KERMET]

Do not die from the flu, die from complications

[The leader of the Redskins]

And with numbers, in general, it turned out interestingly - even if you do not climb the "network", but start only from the article: the author declares that we, with our 15 percent, are the same "like everyone else" ...
And through a paragraph he casually mentions that in Germany - 49 percent are vaccinated, and in the UK - 55 ... How does that come out?

[Evgeny Fedorov]

Good afternoon! On average, 15% of those vaccinated across the planet. As with us.

[Artyom Karagodin]

Eugene, thank you more for posting. It's a pity, there are a lot of cudgel-headed comments underneath. And all of them are experts, all specialists are epidemiologists. However, everything is expected, it is not for nothing that Russia is the leader of anti-vaccination sentiments.

True, how ineptly organized the state is: both with restrictive measures and with the underestimation of morbidity / mortality rates, which is hardly surprising at the result. In our district, in May, according to official data, there were only four deaths, but in fact - 40. In one of the neighboring ones - the ratio is 10/100. In the first case, I received the data from doctors with a request not to publish them in our newspaper (the regional Ministry of Health does not give it), in the second - from the owner of the ritual service. "We had more than 100 plastic burials in a year" - his words.

As a result, we have what we have.

[savage1976]

A deuce for your conclusion.
WHO statistics on mortality from influenza
https://www.who.int/ru/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/influenza-%28seasonal%29
From the corona of the virus in a year and a half more than 4 million, about 3 million per year, simple mathematics gives a fivefold increase in mortality from covid in comparison with the flu, and this is in terms of masks, gloves, lockdowns, self-isolation, social distance and everything else, which during an epidemic flu do not.

[Lech from Android.]

I am interested in how the bodies of those who died from Covid are dealt with, they are buried separately, burned, or in general order they are closed in the ground.
In India, the dead from the infection are thrown into the river to feed the crocodiles ... to burn everyone so expensive firewood.
So if you want Schaub was like in India forward to the next world.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Lech from Android.

I wonder how they deal with the bodies of those who died from Covid,

As I understand it, after 72 hours, viruses die without a live carrier. Here is the data for Qatar:

Immediately after the discovery of the first case of coronavirus infection in Qatar, on February 28, 2020, a special procedure was introduced for the treatment of bodies infected with SARS-CoV-2. Morgue and cemetery personnel were trained to use personal protective equipment, perform additional cleaning and take other necessary measures. Also, the country limited the number of visitors to the funeral and prohibited physical contact with the body of the deceased during the ritual.

The study was conducted from March to October 2020. It was attended by 47 morgue workers and 81 cemetery employees who underwent PCR testing or passed antibody tests to show whether a person was previously infected with coronavirus. Scientists also took samples from various surfaces in morgues and cemeteries, but found no traces of the coronavirus.

[Lech from Android.]

This is only for this territory ... there is a specific climate, but what about Europe and the United States? And if the virus is in hibernation and has not died?

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Lech from Android.

This is only for this territory ... there is a specific climate, but what about Europe and the United States? And if the virus is in hibernation and has not died?

This is just practice. The climate is irrelevant, because we are talking about morgues. Viruses themselves do not hibernate.

[ANB]

... And if the virus is dormant and not dead?

The virus cannot sleep. However, and die too. He is between living and dead mothers. You can destroy it, but there is nothing to die in it.

[Svarog]

Quote: A. Privalov

As I understand it, after 72 hours, viruses die without a live carrier. Here is the data for Qatar:

And in order to prevent him from dying, you need to vaccinate everyone ..?

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: A. Privalov

As I understand it, after 72 hours, viruses die without a live carrier. Here is the data for Qatar:

And in order to prevent him from dying, you need to vaccinate everyone ..?

This, colleague, I don’t know, alas ...

[Svarog]

Quote: A. Privalov

Quote: Svarog

Quote: A. Privalov

As I understand it, after 72 hours, viruses die without a live carrier. Here is the data for Qatar:

And in order to prevent him from dying, you need to vaccinate everyone ..?

This, colleague, I don’t know, alas ...

If the virus dies after 72 hours, then it is only three days .. accordingly, the entire planet can be locked up for three days ...

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Svarog

If the virus dies after 72 hours, then it is only three days .. accordingly, the entire planet should be locked up for three days

Error!
If you kill everyone on the planet, then in three days there will be no covid.

[Svarog]

Quote: A. Privalov

Quote: Svarog

If the virus dies after 72 hours, then it is only three days .. accordingly, the entire planet should be locked up for three days

Error!
If you kill everyone on the planet, then in three days there will be no covid.

Why kill, in general, viruses with a person from the beginning of the century .. more people will die from the pension reform, even more people will die from the reform of medicine, but for some reason it was here that the state was very worried about its citizens .. So this is just business and plus accustoming people to stall .. well, also, in the Russian Federation especially, all troubles can be attributed to the covidlu ..

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Svarog

well, especially in the Russian Federation, all the troubles can be attributed to the covidlu ..

This is the peculiarity of the fight against covid in each individual country. There is nothing you can do about it.

[Vikxnumx]

I am interested in how the bodies of those who died from Covid are dealt with, they are buried separately, burned, or in general order they are closed in the ground.

In the department they are packed in a black bag (candy).
And then I met two options:
1. Closed coffin.
2. Separate funeral service, standard funeral.

[Artyom Karagodin]

I'm curious about how the bodies of those who died from Covid are dealt with.

They put it in plastic bags in a coffin. I know this for sure. Maybe they are doing something else.

[your1970]

Quote: Lech from Android.

I am interested in how the bodies of those who died from Covid are dealt with, they are buried separately, burned, or in general order they are closed in the ground.
In India, the dead from the infection are thrown into the river to feed the crocodiles ... to burn everyone so expensive firewood.
So if you want Schaub was like in India forward to the next world.

Personally, it is enough for me that we have those who died from the crown - they are buried in closed coffins. Do you want to die so - so that your relatives could not even say goodbye to you?
I did the first, in a week I'll go injecting the second.
Yes, it's scary, yes, there are many unknown factors ...
But in a closed coffin - I don't want ...

[victor50]

Quote: G17

The notorious Schwab at the Davos Forum was quite frank and he himself admitted that the death rate from COVID is several times less than from the flu.

In my entire life, no acquaintance has died from the flu. In 2020, three close people died from covid. % Of 60 acquaintances have had covid disease, and there is not a single death after vaccination, only one fell ill 3 hours after vaccination. Vaccinations are not given during an epidemic? In 1972, in one day, the entire population of the city was vaccinated during a cholera outbreak. The authorities themselves screwed up the vaccine by including it in the information war. It was just necessary to calmly explain why it is necessary, what the risks and fears are, how great they are and how they can be compensated, how much more dangerous not to be vaccinated than to be vaccinated. And not to declare victories before the vote and the European Championship, and then fight covid outbreaks. Calm, truthful and thoughtful explanations are not too late (yes, it just should be) even now. But instead, compulsory vaccinations threaten to lose their jobs.

[carstorm 11]

I'm afraid there is no time for persuasion and explanations.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: carstorm 11

I'm afraid there is no time for persuasion and explanations.

Yes, of course, but therefore, as always in Russia, it is urgent and urgent! Well, what about zeroing and the Constitution, right?

[carstorm 11]

And in our country, in principle, it happened at least once in a different way?))) In my opinion, this is our age-old tradition)

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: carstorm 11

And in our country, in principle, it happened at least once in a different way?

Yes, it happened more than once. Take, for example, the fight against illiteracy in the 20s and 30s.

[carstorm 11]

Those. nothing negative and in a hurry in those years did not happen?)))

[Revival]

It's just that many do not believe those who constantly lied and were hypocritical.
It is logical to assume that since they have always deceived, then they lie in any business.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Dear, don't you think that the authorities by their "antiquated" actions only increase the number of infected? Do you need examples, or will it be enough for "Scarlet Sails", about which the talking head with a mustache said that "all measures have been taken," the European Championship in disgrace, "Crimeanash" and so on? Yes, rallies are prohibited, the Kovid is directly fierce at them. As in pubs after zero hours. And so you can collect thousands, infect, all anti-measures are reduced to "ban and fine" and so on.

[Reptiloid]

Scarlet sails, championship ---- yes! Superfluous. Exactly. But they passed. And the metro hasn't gone anywhere, and people still ride the metro, just like a year and a half ago. They wear masks, but, in my opinion, the daily risk of the metro is much greater.

[vitalm]

In Ak-Dovurak, Tuva - an acquaintance celebrated for 40 years, boozed (cologne) for 5 days, died. The doctors wrote that the cause of death is the crown. Until doctors stop paying grandmothers, mortality will be high. And so all over the country, he died from a knife, so it's a crown!

[Far B]

Baba calls her friend:
- Imagine, wait, I come home, and there mine is on the bed, naked, somersaults with some girl. Well, both died at once from the "crown". And because the social distance had to be observed!

[parusnik]

Over time, the proportion of unvaccinated people who profess the mantra "show me the law, where it is written about compulsory vaccination" will grow.

I met a friend, does not work in an LLC, in short, somewhere at the village administration, they wrote applications for vaccination, they did not carry out vaccinations, there is no vaccine, but I received a certificate of vaccination, now he is going abroad to rest. - there is no vaccine, but there are no certificates. We approached the leadership, maybe one at a time, based on the statements, they said no, they will carry it in groups. Wait.

[Lech from Android.]

It's stupid to do that ... to hide behind a fictitious piece of paper.

[carstorm 11]

Ridiculous) given the fact that the price on the black market with what is fake and not real starts from 12000)

[A. Privalov]

Whatever it was, but without humor, humanity cannot overcome the pandemic.

[A. Privalov]

A sad joke ...

[Vikxnumx]

-Monya, look at how talented the air tax was introduced!
-How?
-Breathing in a mask - 20 rubles, breathing without a mask - 5000!

[A. Privalov]

Vaccination is also voluntary.

[Gardamir]

Vaccination is also voluntary.

Judging by the number of similar pictures on the Internet. A whole company is working on propaganda.
But everyone knows that Moses will invite only his own people to the ark, for he does not give up his own. And the rest will be given paper boats. Well, the better boats will be the first. Although there, beyond the horizon, they drowned or swam out.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Gardamir

Vaccination is also voluntary.

Judging by the number of similar pictures on the Internet. A whole company is working on propaganda.
But everyone knows that Moses will invite only his own people to the ark, for he does not give up his own. And the rest will be given paper boats. Well, the better boats will be the first. Although there, beyond the horizon, they drowned or swam out.

It turns out that not everyone knows that it was not Moses who invited Noah to the ark, and not "his own", but "a pair of each creature."

[Gardamir]

not Moses, but Noah

Well, I repent. probably because this covid story is like a forty-year wandering in the desert.
As for each creature, you had complete liberalism in the picture in ancient times, the animals themselves chose

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Gardamir

in the picture in ancient times there was complete liberalism, the animals themselves chose

Yes, yourself. But where are they now?
And with Noah it was over faster:

And the ark sailed for 150 days, and Noah sat in the ark for 7 months and 27 days on the mountains of Arabia. The water decreased until the 10th month. At the 11th month, on the 1st day, the water dried up from the face of the earth.

[Dimy4]

Here is a side effect of vaccination, not often, but it does happen.

[Lech from Android.]

Typical advertising from opponents of vaccination with humor and fervor ... I hope that the one who made it will not die from this infection.
Recently, Mamonov died of Covid ... sadness ... also resisted to the last ... now he is talking with God about the usefulness of vaccinations.

[Konnick]

Recently, Mamonov died of Covid ... sadness ... also resisted to the last ... now he is talking with God about the usefulness of vaccinations.

He had no health anyway, he had a stormy youth. Do not mix alcohol and drugs.

[Lech from Android.]

Whoever did not have a stormy youth ... I shudder when I remember.

[Dimy4]

Who did not have a stormy youth ...

Oh, exactly, in the izhak shed (IZH P-Sport), on which you can go to dance and a lot of girls you can ride.

[aglet]

"Recently Mamonov died of Covid" "
Mamonov died of acute renal failure. after a stormy youth, he had kidney problems. the virus has nothing to do with it

[Ryaruav]

if a person has a number of antibodies 10 times higher than the threshold, does he really need to be vaccinated? need to be vaccinated for those who were not sick and who have a low level of antibodies

[Lech from Android.]

And if antibodies do not help, and if a person has a weakened immune system, then what to do ... how to determine that a person has a large number of antibodies or a small one.

[Ryaruav]

I went and passed the test for antibodies, in the certificate a negative amount of 0-12 units per ml is written in black and white, and I have 124

[Lech from Android.]

Great ... I hope the help will save you from infection.

[Konnick]

Different norms everywhere

A small amount of antibodies, so I don’t understand whether I was sick or not sick, the last time I did not understand what I was sick in December 2019, like a sore throat, a high temperature, but the disease stopped suddenly, in the morning 38,5 at lunchtime 36,6. Before that, I was in contact with the Chinese.

[Woodman]

Quote: Konnick

the scarlet amount of antibodies, so I don’t understand whether I was sick or did not get sick, the last time I didn’t understand what I was sick with in December 2019,

I left the hospital for covid at the end of February, at the end of June the company paid me for an antibody test - the result: the number of bodies is minimal, the certificate says that with such an amount it is recommended to be vaccinated. I’ll probably wait until August, and then six months after the illness will pass, so I’ll go get the vaccine.

[Konnick]

Three weeks ago I had close contact with a woman, the next day after contact, she fell ill, her temperature was over 39, now she is almost healthy, covid, and I have not yet got sick, although the contacts continued, though not so tight. This virus is strange, it looks like you need to be friends with it, humans and viruses have long been living in symbiosis, viruses are even guilty of evolution

[Woodman]

Quote: Konnick

Three weeks ago I had close contact with a woman, the next day after contact, she got sick,

We had a corona outbreak at work in June. Of the fifteen people in my unit, ten fell ill. All, naturally, were in close contact with each other. Of those who did not get sick: two were absent due to vacation, one (I) had been ill earlier, one (the boss) was almost always wearing a mask when communicating with people, and the third was not sick before, did not wear a mask (at work, like everyone else) , was not vaccinated.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Lesovik

- did not get sick before, did not wear a mask (at work, like everyone else), did not get vaccinated.

I got sick back in 2020, I was sick for one day, I took paracetamol once, another lie of vaccineers is obvious, supposedly this seasonal flu is deadly and supposedly everyone is sick ... rubles, multiply by 9000 million people, and an alternative to parcetamol for every hundredth citizen ... that's the question why the Chubais-Gref, Gates-Rockefeller sect is escalating the situation and so stubbornly wants to instill everyone? ...

[Woodman]

Quote: vladimir1155

took paracetamol once, another lie of the vaccinees is obvious,

But paracetamol did not help my mother-in-law. They helped for several days under mechanical ventilation, for two weeks in an infectious diseases clinic, and for another month at home I was recovering. What's this? The anti-vaccine lie is obvious?

Quote: vladimir1155

- did not get sick before, did not wear a mask (at work, like everyone else), did not get vaccinated.

Did you just read this phrase in my commentary? And you do not admit such a coincidence: an easy, asymptomatic course of the disease and an erroneous test? Or maybe just lucky.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Lesovik

And you do not admit such a coincidence: an easy, asymptomatic course of the disease and an erroneous test? Or maybe just lucky.

Not everyone is sick with seasonal flu, mother-in-law means too little sweet and too much meat, that's all, = the usual seasonal flu!

[Woodman]

Quote: vladimir1155

seasonal flu

It's about covid.

Quote: vladimir1155

means too little sweet and too much meat

Everything is clear, I have no more questions.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Lesovik

It's about covid.

so you haven't figured out yet that covid is the usual seasonal flu?

[Konnick]

All, naturally, were in close contact with each other.

Presented, based on his close contact with a woman ... fun at your work

[Woodman]

Quote: Konnick

I presented it based on my close contact with a woman ...

: No ... No-no-no, not as much!))) Normal work processes in production)))

[Revival]

Konnick: "Three weeks ago I had close contact with a woman ... contacts continued."

Lesovik:
"Everyone, naturally, was in close contact with each other."

Where do you both work, what kind of work is this?)))

[Woodman]

Quote: Revival

Where do you both work, what kind of work is this?)))

My tongue is my enemy) Now, it seems, I’ll get sick of making excuses)) Well, this is how ordinary working moments should be interpreted)))

[Gardamir]

Remember how someone said, while I am president, there will be no increase in the retirement age, Those who spoke less, they did not ask you to give birth, you will live on macaroshkas. Now I have to trust these people?
Moreover, from morning to evening, they say that we live well, only the foreign countries are bothering us. And in general, there are only gaydoras abroad. And now I must, as a foreign Gaydoras be vaccinated? Or "is it different"?
Well, with the wishes that all the unvaccinated should die.
https://www.fontanka.ru/2021/07/29/70050653/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

[Roman Skomorokhov]

I have not been vaccinated and will not. And they will not force me to do this in any way until there is a clear understanding of what and for what the vaccine is, what are the contraindications to it, and so on. This swotting (including here "on the topic of" everything for vaccinations "only strengthens the understanding that I am doing everything right. Why the heck do not get me to inject myself, what if I still get sick, infect, wear a mask and take PCR?

Tests of the drug nationwide. It is clear that we are now oil and we need to earn money. But not as brazenly. Hysteria on TV is comparable to voting on the Constitution. Vote, or Khan. And here is the same thing. Another. And most importantly - how cynical ... that pregnant women could not be pricked, and suddenly - shit, everyone can! And cancer patients can, everyone can!

No, I guess I'll wait.

[Svarog]

I have not been vaccinated and will not. And nothing will force me to do this until there is a clear understanding of what and for what the vaccine, what are the contraindications to it, and so on.

I fully support!

[carstorm 11]

Novel. Have you vaccinated children? I'm talking about the usual vaccinations that everyone received in childhood! Do you know how many mothers refuse to do this to their children? With scandals and screams that vaccinations are evil? It is useless for them to prove or convince something. I even have a familiar couple who, on this basis, quarreled before divorce. I'm afraid you will at least give you a hundred scientific articles and research will remain with your conviction. Here dozens if not hundreds of people are grafted onto the board as well as their relatives and friends. Conduct a survey of many of those who did this now regret it and have been twisted from side effects to disability?) You have an audience and you can easily draw any conclusions for yourself. But you still will not go to the vaccine)))

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: carstorm 11

Novel. Have you vaccinated children? I'm talking about the usual vaccinations that everyone received in childhood!

Yes, sure. And he himself was vaccinated, including regularly against the flu, in my region he is always atrocious more than Kovidych. I am not an anti-vaccine, I am an anti-chubaiser, if it's rude.

I just get something that does not reach many adherents of the sect "covido-vaccinated". That first the vaccine is tested, and then the vaccination goes on. And the example of the whole world does not channel here, in the whole world they do not treat the people as boorishly as we do.

Indeed, how can I believe the state people, who at first convinced me that I did not need a funded pension and eventually stole it, then added 5 years to work until retirement (and, I am sure, they will add more), then convinced me that it was very necessary to reset the resident and to accept a new Constitution for him so that gays do not enter my life, that carrots for 140 rubles are a global trend (strange, the global trend is called Volodin), that gasoline should rise in price regardless of oil prices in the world, and so on.

And now I also have to do something that will bring Mr. Chubais a little more money (about 500 billion rubles). Well, I do not. Figurines.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Roman Skomorokhov

I just get something that does not reach many adherents of the sect "covido-vaccinated". That first the vaccine is tested, and then the vaccination goes on. And the example of the whole world does not channel here, in the whole world they do not treat the people as boorishly as we do.

Indeed, how can I believe the state people, who at first convinced me that I did not need a funded pension and eventually stole it, then added 5 years to work until retirement (and, I am sure, they will add more), then convinced me that it was very necessary to reset the resident and to accept a new Constitution for him so that gays do not enter my life, that carrots for 140 rubles are a global trend (strange, the global trend is called Volodin), that gasoline should rise in price regardless of oil prices in the world, and so on.

And now I also have to do something that will bring Mr. Chubais a little more money (about 500 billion rubles). Well, I do not. Figurines.

The author has not yet mentioned one factor that the dissidents consider to be important, namely that the nanochips developed by Chubais are poured into the body of the vaccinated together with the vaccine, and they become identifiable within the framework of metal detectors, which were installed everywhere allegedly to combat plastid (which these frameworks anyway will not see, and broken glass can be used as a striking element) ... if this is so, what is the effect of isotopes (labeled atoms) constantly distributed in the body on health? the author has not debunked a single "myth" of "anti-vaccination", so let him explain to us why the nanotechnology was completed just before the start of the massive and compulsory vaccination?

And he will do what everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slaves, will receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,

Revelation John 13:16 - Revelation 13:16: https://bible.by/verse/66/13/16/

and that no one will be allowed to buy or sell, except for the one who has this mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Revelation John 13:17 - Revelation 13:17: https://bible.by/verse/66/13/17/

The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the ground: and there were cruel and disgusting purulent wounds on people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped his image.

Revelation John 16:2 - Revelation 16:2: https://bible.by/verse/66/16/2/

[carstorm 11]

As you, I am not very good at mixing compote in a cutlet and mashed potatoes, which means I will ask? What does your pension and everything else have to do with it?) In general, in principle, I am not going to it) and there is no sect. There is my or your living environment. In my vaccinated, there are decently more than those who ignore it. And the 35 million people who have already received one dose say at least a lot. Don't you think that such a number suggests that we have already been tested?) Well, just think about it) Consider that we have trodden the path for you and other non-believers)))

[Lech from Android.]

Everything is useless ... it will not work to convince.

[Revival]

"What does your pension and everything else have to do with it?)".

Do not you understand?

In my personal opinion, the point was that those who now say something about "vaccinations" used to constantly lie for any reason, and therefore, have earned a reputation as liars, no matter what they talked about

[carstorm 11]

And on the subject of vaccination of politicians and the authorities, is it supposedly normal to listen?) In my opinion, there are more important opinions in this area from the pros) they should be listened to)

[Revival]

And which of the pros do we constantly play on TV?

[carstorm 11]

I have no idea) I'm more on reading. Epidemiologists, scientists. Just doctors.

[Revival]

That's exactly why they show "politicians" who are poorly noticed in the truth and zeal about the people, well, here we have what we have

[carstorm 11]

Well, how would it be strange for people to receive advice and guidance on such a serious topic from politicians ... from TV from which millions of people charged cream and water at one time. You can turn on your head at least once.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

Epidemiologists, scientists

Can I be surnamed, indicating scientific degrees? Protsenko is a resuscitator, he has nothing to do with virology.

[carstorm 11]

I just gave examples of competence in such matters. Well, for example, the director of the Scientific and Clinical Center for Precision and Regenerative Medicine of the Institute of Fundamental Medicine and Biology of the Kazan Federal University, Albert Rizvanov. Or the head physician of the Leader-Medicine center, vaccinologist Evgeny Timakov. Head of the Yekaterinburg Research Institute of Viral Infections "Vector" of Rospotrebnadzor, Doctor of Biological Sciences Alexander Semenov. I can continue if I need to. A lot of them.

[Ingvar 72]

I can also voice others. Academicians Zverev and Chuchalin, professors Poletaev and Shaflinov. I can continue in the same way. But in the media for some reason there is no dialogue between scientists. Despite the fact that there are a lot of questions, but even the people you mentioned do not go into details.

[carstorm 11]

I did not write this for being compared by scientists))) It was just that the conversation was going on that politicians should not be listened to in such matters. I know there are opponents. And I read them too. I just chose the opinion of one of the parties. What I wish for everyone. And not to make this very choice for political reasons.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

I know there are opponents. And I read them too. I just chose the opinion of one of the parties.

For some reason, your choice is, as always, for the pro-government side.
Let's debate the arguments of the scientists I and you mentioned?

[carstorm 11]

What does power and vaccination have to do with it? I made a choice for my self-preservation. Do you really want to discuss the conclusions of which neither you nor I understand?))) As it is, I do not strive to engage in nonsense. It's easier for me to ask my wife her opinion, she is at least a doctor.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

What does power and vaccination have to do with it?

Are you seriously?

Quote: carstorm 11

Do you really want to debate the conclusions that neither you nor I understand?

On the fog, everything is quite simple there.

[carstorm 11]

My opinion has always been simple. Everyone must do their job. My knowledge in this topic is minimal. Therefore, I choose the opinion of experts. And yes. I'm serious. I have no habit of power and to cling to any topic in life.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

Therefore, I choose the opinion of specialists

What are the criteria? Is it just because they are experts, or also because they argue clearly and clearly, referring at the same time to many years of research experience?

Quote: carstorm 11

I do not have the habit of power and to cling to any topic in life

You never have it at all, because you are absolutely always on the side of the authorities. What disgusting she would not come up with.

[carstorm 11]

Why do you think so? ))) 50/50 on average my approval of her decisions. I have long ceased to discuss it in political topics because it turns into a big top. If the videoconferencing will reassure, then I am against the pension reform.) But for what would have chased illegal rallies) As for the criteria, let's say collectively.

[vargo]

He mixed everything together. I understand, but this is a delusion. You focus on popular reasons not to trust, but you don't think about real reasons to trust. Have you been lied to everywhere and everywhere? Maybe even when the passport was issued, they were told to come but did not give it as a result? Maybe they always lie to you? You multiply the general social reasons to be upset in the state for the sake of current reasons and doubts, but you don't even think to add to your formula the moments where the state promised you something and did what it promised. Think about it, but just take your time, first evaluate your experience of working with the state, what you are already used to, then what we do not notice.

[Revival]

"but do not even think to add to your formula the moments where the state promised you something and did what it promised."

Please provide such examples.
Naturally, they are comparable in strength to the arguments of the opponents: pension reform, the funded part of the pension, an increase in pension by 1000 per month, negative growth in welfare, etc.
Issuing a passport is not suitable, obtaining it is a duty

[Andrey VOV]

Yes, there are no 149 carrots, at least in our country, and what, all over the world, have other manufacturers conducted long-term vaccine trials? Chinese, Americans, Israelis? No, almost everyone came out with their vaccines at the same time

[Reptiloid]

Yes, Chubais somehow adhered to Sputnik-V. If you are Roman, have been vaccinated against the flu, then they will help you against Cavid to some extent. It happened with my friends who have been vaccinated for many years.

[2 Level Advisor]

Dmitry, i.e. You have not read all the previous posts, where they say that the vaccine is "raw" and even unapproved by the WHO, which is why the majority do not want to do it, and not because they are "stoned" anti-vaccines in general? and unapproved in 1 turn because even the documents were not submitted there ..

[Boris55]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

You have not read all the previous posts, where they say that the vaccine is "raw" and even unapproved by the WHO, which is why the majority do not want to do it, and not because they are "stoned" anti-vaccines in general? and unapproved in 1 turn because even the documents were not submitted there ..

The documents were handed over a long time ago, but the grandmothers of Western companies prevent us from approving ours.
By the way, yesterday in Bulgaria 10 thousand people died from their vaccine, and how many from ours?

[Lech from Android.]

Well, you don't have to lie so brazenly.

[2 Level Advisor]

"The delay in the approval of the Russian vaccine against COVID-19 Sputnik V by the European Medicines Agency (EMA) is associated with numerous gaps in the data provided by the Russian side. This is reported by Reuters, citing sources informed about the process."
“For example, WHO representatives checked 4 factories where the vaccine was produced. Problems were found at the Bashkortostan plant“ Pharmstandard-UfaVITA ”, where the drug, which was prepared in other countries, is bottled.
Issues related to sterility, cross-contamination, traceability and identification of vaccine batches.
The Russian side, in turn, replied that it had already taken the first steps to resolve these problems, and also added that it would welcome further checks.
"We remain fully transparent and will continue the WHO prequalification process," the statement said.

these are facts Boris .. and the grandmas of western pharmaceutical companies are speculations from the TV ..
A simple logical question - why then the Indian vaccine and the Chinese are already 2 pcs. approved and the grandmother of Western pharmaceutical companies did not interfere with them? and why 4 more pieces. American have not yet been approved?

[Boris55]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

these are facts

No, these are excuses.

Paul of the World is grafted by the Satellite. In many countries, its production has been established, no one complains - they are vaccinated and praised. Only our fifth column, opposing vaccination, dreams of destroying its people.

[2 Level Advisor]

Boris, you are in your repertoire, when there is nothing to answer the facts, we begin to go aside, saying that these are "excuses" .. what are the excuses? the fact that Indian and Chinese vaccines are certified, and several American ones are not - isn't it? Or does it not fit into the concept of "enemies around", so we reject it?
ps I haven’t said a word yet about need / don’t need to be vaccinated .. I’m discussing the WHO certification process and the questions people have because of which they have doubts about the Sputnik ..

[zlobny tatarin]

Proof in the studio. The words "informs Reuters" say nothing. Moreover, with reference to some sources.

[2 Level Advisor]

I found proofs, but I will give them after you give your refuting links .. this is called a dialogue .. and the communication format: "now prove to me that I would believe you myself" does not seduce me ..

[Hypertension]

Quote: Boris55

By the way, yesterday in Bulgaria 10 thousand people died from their vaccine,

Not from the vaccine, but from the wrong organization of vaccinations.

the head of the country's Ministry of Health, Stoicho Katsarov. The minister explained that citizens over 60 years old and people with serious illnesses were not in the first place for vaccination. “These lives could have been saved, because about 80 percent of those who died were elderly citizens,” he said.

[DenVB]

Quote: Boris55

By the way, 10 thousand people died yesterday in Bulgaria from their vaccine.

It was yesterday, exactly 10 thousand, from the vaccine.

Just a reference antivaxer.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Boris55

The documents were handed over a long time ago, but the grandmothers of Western companies prevent us from approving ours.

Do the Chinese, Indians and Koreans prevent the West from cutting loot?

[carstorm 11]

35 million received at least one dose. What else do you want to experience then?))) And this is only Russia) Where then to experience? Do you want a billion accustomed without consequences to believe?) Well, consider that I personally took part in the test and survived like all my relatives)))

[Lech from Android.]

I wonder what is the situation with migrants and guest workers, how are they vaccinated and are they vaccinated at all?

[your1970]

Quote: Lech from Android.

I wonder what is the situation with migrants and guest workers, how are they vaccinated and are they vaccinated at all?

-in Moscow, in Luzhniki, it seems that the point is for migrants

[Lech from Android.]

The popular protest against the government takes on peculiar forms ...
The authorities are reaping the fruits of mistrust in them.
If the State Duma and the Kremlin pass a couple more unpopular laws and reforms, the distrust will become radical.
Perhaps the number of vaccination refuseniks most faithfully shows the level of popularity among the people of the current government ... and no poll even needs to be conducted before the elections.

[Boris55]

Quote: Lech from Android.

If the State Duma and the Kremlin pass a couple more unpopular laws and reforms, the distrust will become radical.

Are you sure about that? President elections:

After Medvedev's increase in the retirement age, a "referendum" was held on the proposed amendments to the Constitution (according to Putin's confidence):

As you can see, the result of people's trust in Putin has only grown.

[Lech from Android.]

On paper ... yes ... in reality, no.
Now the only question is what the gap will be between reality and the polls of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee.
Changing the constitution and trusting Putin are somewhat different things ...
For example, I have no confidence in the higher authorities in principle, but the constitution still needs to be changed towards a social bias.

[Boris55]

Quote: Lech from Android.

On paper ... yes ... in reality, no.

Do you know another way to find out the opinion of the people? Name (Maidan - do not offer).

[alystan]

He is not hoping for himself About pregnant women, he needs to review yesterday's issue of Vesti, there it was not only about pregnant women, but also about women in labor who infected their babies! Let him see how they are seriously ill, maybe then he will not be clever here!
And about the Americans and their vaccines, not the best example, not the best. Everyone knows what masters of postscripts and deceitful self-praise they are! Their vaccines do not work - they themselves admitted it! And they hide all the negative results of their experiments very carefully! They succeeded in this like no other! Therefore, the result from their vaccines is none!

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Roman Skomorokhov

No, I guess I'll wait.

And here, the third dose is being vaccinated for the elderly, who, after 60, received two doses and were not sick.

The first to receive the third dose on July 30 is the country's President Yitzhak Herzog. Also on this day, the third vaccination will be given by former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who was the first to be vaccinated in Israel at the end of December 2020.

[vargo]

And cancer patients can, everyone can!

I do not know where you have heard of this, but there are quite a few reasons for the medical withdrawal. Right up to the banal "Cold, you have to wait 2 weeks." An acquaintance with this particular formulation was pushed aside with the vaccination.
How often do I hear the ossified arguments of anti-vaccinators, which are no longer relevant. After all, it is lazy and reluctant to update information. Often those people who are used to drawing conclusions and living with one conclusion for a long time, without changing it even for the sake of changing reality, are often opposed.

[KERMET]

Some strange tests - a test for antibodies before vaccination is not recommended, after vaccination, no one does either, but according to the logic of the tests, both should be done

[NDR-791]

I read the comments, although there are still few of them. On this topic, maybe 200 will be. The article, of course, too. In the article, the author has confusion and vacillation because there is no solid evidence of harm or usefulness. The question is: why not? no information in the public domain? There is. But the same contradictory. One contention is that the vaccine is safe because the opposite is not yet proven worth it. This is not an argument, this is agitation. In the comments so far I see only two positions 1. The vaccine is harmful. 2. The vaccine is helpful. In fact, there are at least two more categories. Namely 3. Those who never vaccinate under any circumstances for various reasons. 4. Those who are forced to vaccinate because of the peculiarities of voluntariness in Russia. I belong to the fourth. Fully vaccinated by the Companion. As you can see, he is alive. The temperature after the second injection of 38 was kept for 6 hours. And I slept them safely. In fact, if you really wait "Show me the law that says mandatory vaccination." , then it will definitely be accepted and even within one day. Everyone remembers the examples, or do they need to be explained?
I am not campaigning for or against anyone. Precisely because I personally don't care anymore. But I am following the battle of active agitators and anti-agitators and will follow in the hope of still getting objective data.

[Liam]

For example, Germany with 49,88% vaccinated with two components on July 27. Statistics show that exactly a month ago, more than 333 thousand people were vaccinated per day, and on July 27 - only 101 thousand.This is a three-fold drop, which will only grow

.

Worst method of dealing with mythsis to fight them using false figures and facts. This achieves the opposite effect.

Or France

[sgapich]

Quote: Liam

... The worst method of dealing with mythsis to fight them using false figures and facts. This achieves the opposite effect.

And you immediately cite as "evidence" it is unknown where the screenshot taken with the data for Germany and France, but in Italian.

[Liam]

Quote: sgapich

but in Italian.

So what? It is more convenient for me to search in Italian. And the data from the French and German Ministry of Health. You can easily refute them, right? The author did not bother to share with us from what ceiling he copied these "numbers"
https://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/actualites/presse/communiques-de-presse/article/vaccination-contre-la-covid-en-france-au-27-juillet-2021-pres-de-71-145-000-d

https://www.curaitalia.it/stato/germania

[Okolotochny]

Colleague, can you speak Russian, the result? As a result, what about Italy and France?

[Liam]

As a result, on July 27 France - 700.000 + doses of vaccine per day. Germany - about 450.000 thousand. Compare with the "data" of the author.
Italy if interested July 26 - 550.000 doses per day

[Okolotochny]

And how many were vaccinated as a result?

[riwas]

Head of the Ministry of Health of Bulgaria Katsarov: ten thousand people have died from COVID due to vaccination errors. According to him, it consisted in the fact that the population vaccination program did not provide for a priority for senior citizens. As a result, 80 percent of people who died from coronavirus in Bulgaria were from the older age group.
https://ria.ru/20210729/bolgariya-1743374965.html
Has anyone counted how many people have died due to similar mistakes?

[Svarog]

Quote: riwas

Has anyone counted how many people have died due to similar mistakes?

So they will report to you about mistakes .. only about breakthroughs .. even about fictitious ones .. but never about mistakes!

[Boris55]

Quote: riwas

Has anyone counted how many people have died due to similar mistakes?

No one! If at least one died, not only in the VO, according to all the media, primarily foreign ones, howl would have stood up to heaven. Do you really think that our enemies are not tracking this and do not offer a lot of money for such information?

[Svarog]

Quote: Boris55

Do you really think that our enemies are not tracking this and do not offer a lot of money for such information?

Yes, they do not take this information out to the public ... so occasionally there are articles that after the vaccination the person glued the flippers, but the official version is that the brow had a lot of sores and the vaccine has nothing to do with it ..

[Okolotochny]

Svarog, stop holding a meeting, let me remind you of the history of Russia and the anti-vaccine Skomorokhov - the 18th century, a smallpox epidemic is raging. The Englishman Thomas Dimsdal proposed a vaccination method, a revolutionary method, without three stages of research, approval by WHO, EU, etc. One of the first vaccinated were Catherine II and her grandson Alexander. And what kind of OR was there? At that time, there were also Svarogs and Skomorokhovs. The smallpox vaccination is still used, in fact, smallpox has been defeated.

[Svarog]

Quote: Okolotochny

I will remind the history of Russia to you and the anti-vaccine Skomorokhov -

You are inattentive. I am not against vaccinations .. and as far as I understand Skomorokhov too .. I am alarmed by the "concern" of the state .. against the background of a complete disregard for the citizen .. but with the vaccination .. then for some reason they were so worried that they force it in .. This first. Second, the vaccine has not passed all the tests .. it is essentially raw. Third .. the virus is constantly mutating, more than 4 species have already appeared .. and what to do about it? Fifthly, countries where the main population is vaccinated continue to get sick Israel, for example .. But I know history and I know that vaccinations are a blessing. But when you benefit from the one who took away a lot of things from you and stole, perhaps the feeling of distrust in this case will be justified.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

Maybe it's enough to search for "enemies of the people"? vaccines, anti-vaccines? in the GULAG "anti-vaccine" Yes, they are agents of the "State Department" and so on. The fact that vaccination in the country is organized very badly, the author does not write, he found the guilty, "anti-vaccine" vaccine. And so they would have accepted and the sadness would have passed.

[Woodman]

If the decline continues at the same pace, then Europe will have to take completely unpopular and undemocratic measures.

The first bell

The Lithuanian budget spends about 1700 euros for each coronavirus patient in the hospital. If a person is connected to a ventilator, then this is already 5000-33 euros. And in the case of complex treatment - up to 000 euros, writes Delfi. The Mayor of Vilnius said that it would be fair to take this money from those sick who had previously refused vaccination. And return funds to the budget. Politicians in Lithuania reacted to this in different ways. The head of the Parliamentary Committee on Health Affairs said that the deputies would not support such a decision. But the chairman of the parliamentary committee for law and order believes that such a path is possible. But such a decision must be approved by the Constitutional Court.

[Mikhail3]

As usual, instead of an honest conversation - a stream of nonsense sucked from the finger. What kind of oncology? What is fertility? What is this pile of shit? Who is this article intended for, if I may say so?
The basic question for the vaccine company is as simple as a rake. Why are the authorities manic in demanding vaccinations for people with high levels of antibodies?
Anything, any nonsense can be found in the muddy stream of false propaganda, but don't expect an answer to this question. Which indicates a simple thing. The authorities cannot voice the reason. It is such that you cannot name it. Crazy nonsense about the fact that people who have been ill have weaker immunity than vaccinated, it's not even funny. The body's response to a piece of DNA (RNA) of the virus fixed on the chassis is stronger and better than to the whole virus, which the body has successfully coped with ?! Guys....
As long as the authorities are deceiving me in the most vile way, they should not expect trust from me. Alas, people go there, confident that they can achieve everything with the help of lies. Oh well...

[Woodman]

Quote: Mikhail3

Why are the authorities manic in demanding vaccinations for people with high levels of antibodies?

Is it true? And why did no one hear this "manic" demand except you?

[Mikhail3]

Yah? Could you give an example of a document that regulates which antibody level you DO NOT need to be vaccinated with? Hehe ... Like you need it. Anything. Doctors do not advise, but quietly. Commercials in private. And so I must, I must, yesterday ...

[Woodman]

Quote: Mikhail3

Can you give an example document

I will give you. Following an example of your "manic demand to be vaccinated in people with high levels of antibodies."

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Lesovik

And why did no one hear this "manic" demand except you?

They all heard, and from the mouth of their employer.

[Harry.km]

Quote: Mikhail3

The body's response to a piece of DNA (RNA) of the virus fixed on the chassis is stronger and better than to the whole virus, which the body has successfully coped with ?!

Exactly. Antibodies to this single piece are produced more than in the case when a piece is included in the virus. The spectrum of antibodies in natural infection is wider, but the density is lower. Well, as always, a philosophical question, which is better, the higher the density or the wider the spectrum. The vector vaccine selects the density, and the inactivated vaccine crushes the entire strip. There is always a choice.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Harry.km

The spectrum of antibodies with natural infection is wider, but the density is lower

Can I link to research?

[your1970]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Harry.km

The spectrum of antibodies with natural infection is wider, but the density is lower

Can I link to research?

the link is simple - a billionaire from the Forbes list died from the crown. All on this, basta ...
If he just wanted to be grafted - they would have brought him ANY vaccine ... Yes, at least all at once ...
He didn’t have to wait in line at the clinic, they couldn’t tell him, "That's it, it's over, come tomorrow ..."
He could hire any institution to treat his beloved.
But he nashen - "Oh, it will blow ... .. the first time I have the flu !! "
It didn't carry over ... and billions didn't help ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: your1970

the link is simple - a billionaire from the Forbes list died from the crown. All on this, basta.

Link for the mentally retarded. The former chief sanitary doctor of the Russian Federation Filatov, who was a consistent opponent of mass hysteria and vaccination, died.
But this in no way refutes his theses.

[your1970]

Quote: Ingvar 72

The former chief sanitary doctor of the Russian Federation Filatov, who was a consistent opponent of mass hysteria and vaccination, died.

I don't feel sorry for him in the least - if the chief sanitary doctor who performs the main work on vaccination is an anti-vaccine, then he also harmed other diseases brought to the Russian Federation during his work ...
In Soviet times - during Decree 199 or under Stalin - he would have simply been shot for sabotage. A little later - they drove into a psychiatric hospital ...
And it is right.....

I repeat - the billionaire could MYSELF organize ANYONE treatment, any ...
Mechanical ventilation, transfusions, vaccines - any, medicines - any, clinics - any - even Israel, even Cuba, even Switzerland ...
Died.......

[your1970]

Quote: your1970

In Soviet times - during Decree 199 or under Stalin - he would have simply been shot for sabotage. A little later - they drove into a psychiatric hospital ...

Decree of the Council of People's Commissars. No. 199
On compulsory smallpox vaccination.
In order to more successfully combat the smallpox epidemic and to improve the current setting of smallpox vaccination, the Council of People's Commissars decided:

1. To establish the obligatory vaccination of smallpox in the Republic on the following grounds:
Compulsory smallpox vaccination is subject to:
1) all newly born before the expiration of the first year of life,
2) all applicants to educational institutions of all types, shelters and boarding schools,
3) all those entering and entering the army and navy,
4) workers and employees in all enterprises and institutions,
5) all those entering prisons and other places of detention.
....................................
4. Persons evading compulsory vaccination of the vaccine, as well as persons who have not bothered with the timely production of compulsory vaccination of their minor children or other minors in their care, as well as institutions in charge of the population groups subject to vaccinationare liable to the People's Court.

[DenVB]

Over time, the proportion of unvaccinated people who profess the mantra "show me the law, where it is written about compulsory vaccination" will grow.

An absolutely correct mantra, by the way. What's the problem with adopting such a law? Crazy Printer Broken? It is not necessary to drag people for vaccination by force (this, apparently, is unconstitutional), but it is quite possible by law to prescribe restrictions for the unvaccinated. To stimulate especially stubborn ones.

[bk0010]

Quote: DenVB

What is the problem with adopting such a law?

If the side effects that have not been identified now go massively, then with compulsory vaccination (without signing pieces of paper before the injection), it will be possible to demand treatment and compensation. If you voluntarily, they can send you (send yourself, here is your signature under the waiver of claims).

[DenVB]

Quote: bk0010

it will be possible to claim treatment and compensation

Treatment may be required in any case. I definitely did not sign the refusal of treatment when I was vaccinated.

Compensation - well, that's funny. Voluntary or obligatory - you won't shake a lot from our state.

[Maks1995]

Ah, empty article.

And tsiferki, which is in trend for the grafted around the world - and then did they boast about the early Sputnik?

[SID]

Obviously biased article. Even more obvious is the absurd rush-work and irrepressible itch of the authorities for vaccinating everyone and everything.

[Harry.km]

Quote: Hagen

We try to comprehend and evaluate subtle, narrowly specialized issues requiring remarkable profound knowledge at the level of high school knowledge, seriously believing in our own abilities. Isn't it wild and funny?

Far from it! Secondary education must be universal for this purpose, so that "subtle, highly specialized issues" are comprehended by large groups of the population. And not that the wind from the trees swaying. The course of general biology is quite enough for itself, allows you to understand genes with alleles and not to confuse a mutation and a mutator. The course of history, will tell about pandemics and how they fought, for example, with polio, and on whom the tests were carried out. And only geography still cannot tell which edge of the earth is, gentle or steep.

[Baloo]

Good article. Indeed, people tell each other horror stories about someone they don't know, but friends told. Yes, vaccinated people also get sick (up to 2.5% according to various sources in the Russian Federation and up to 30% behind the fence, depending on the vaccine and the country): 1. I did not have time to develop immunity after the first or second vaccination (immunity is fully developed by 42 days approximately. 2. High viral load in the environment, peculiarities of the immune system and reactivity of the organism 3. Perhaps the rules of transportation and storage of the vaccine were not initially followed 4. Violations of technical personnel during the procedure. And finally, the most important factor: 1. New strains 2. The virus is getting angrier on those whom he defeated, i.e. on the sick.
Well, and to members of the witnesses of the sect of navralnoe and those born in the armored train I will once again give advice: Do you want to live happily ever after? Get vaccinated. If you get sick, you will not go to intensive care, and perhaps you will be cured at home. Don't want to get vaccinated? - save money for a pharmacy and / or funeral for yourself and / or loved ones. This is the truth of life. A doctor from Alabama (USA): the last thing they ask for before intubation is give me a vaccine .... Children are also sick and are also very hard. In the Russian Federation, intensive care units are already opening for covid patients, and dozens of sick children are already connected to mechanical ventilation. Norse strains are getting worse and worse. Everything just begins. This is all serious and for a long time, until everyone is grafted in and dies, those who are destined for various reasons. I am a civilian, a purely peaceful profession, try to convince me that Covid-19 is not a biological weapon launched by the United States to redistribute spheres of influence as a result of the global economic crisis.

[Harry.km]

Quote: victor50

The authorities themselves screwed up the vaccine by including it in the information war.

Gold words! Just let me change the word "vaccine" to the word "vaccination"

[Pastor]

Hello dear forum users! The main questions that I have no answers to:
1. As already mentioned, in the midst of an epidemic, vaccination measures are never (!!!) taken, if everyone were put at home and vaccinated pointwise, the question would have disappeared. What are the queues at the shopping center for vaccinations ??? There are also a lot of people, around 100% there are infected, it turns out there is a big risk of vaccinating an infected person, absurd !!!
2. Why am I, a doctor, with an antibody level of 71, FORCED the vaccination, up to suspension from work ??? Why, respectively, vaccination row one size fits all ???
3. Putin instilled, but evaded the answer than instilled, it adds confidence in the satellite ???
4. The creators of the companion vaccine stated that pregnant women should not be vaccinated, there is no research, what was the response from the authorities? Pregnant women can also be vaccinated
5. In Soviet times, vaccines were tested on prisoners sentenced to death, it took 5-7 years to develop a vaccine, suppose the progress has reduced this time interval, but we see that the vaccine was actually administered from the knee, why? And they recommend keeping a diary of the vaccinated, this is an experience of the purest water !!!
6. In the USSR, the population was treated with care, there were preventive measures for diseases (medical examination, sanatoriums, dispensaries) free of charge, since the collapse of the union, I have never seen the state take care of the people (!!!). So where does such a sudden love and care come from ??? If the Ministry of Health has been deliberately destroyed all these years
7. Why do people with dangerous diseases so rarely receive a medical treatment? Pulmonary embolism - vaccinate, thrombophlebitis - vaccinate and more ..
There are sooo many questions, no one gives answers !!!
PS And where does the Ebola and Covid virus have to do with it ??? A question to the author!

[Andrey VOV]

Putin was instilled, but evaded the answer than instilled, it adds confidence in the satellite ???
So he replied that Sputnik was grafted

[Olfred]

Quote: Andrey VOV

Putin was instilled, but evaded the answer than instilled, it adds confidence in the satellite ???
So he replied that Sputnik was grafted

And if he says that from the planet Nibiru or the incarnation of Sankarshana (forgive the Buddhists), will you also believe?
If the authorities were seriously concerned about the "pandemic", they would have closed the borders and introduced an emergency regime, and the media would constantly explain what and how (and not advertise the stars drowning for vaccination), and the medical staff would not be cut, along with infectious diseases hospitals etc. etc.
There are a lot of questions, but for some reason, the luminaries of science are either silent or squabbling among themselves and no one has an unambiguous answer ...
By the way, if you remember, we had a carriage of pandemics: bird flu, swine flu, Ebola, and there was no such hysteria! And I remember when the swine flu started, they REALLY blocked the entrances, there were cordons, even in my, albeit a small town, and not only in megalopolises ...
All the best !

[Andrey VOV]

If you did it, you would be the first to raise a hi here ... you are one of those for whom they won't do anything, everything is bad

[Olfred]

If you did it, you would be the first to raise a hi here ... you are one of those for whom they won't do anything, everything is bad

Her)))
Well, for example, since December last year I have lost my "chuyka" (I do not feel the subtle smells of perfume), and the meat tastes like rotten meat until now, and I had nothing but that - no temperature, no shit ... But here "chuyka" has not been fixed yet
So am I healthy or sick, can you say ??? Do I need to be vaccinated?
And my mother from the middle of December 2 weeks at home under my supervision was ill, with a fever, from this covidl and treated her with azithromycin. But now she took root, because the doctor, with a light hand, said that they say all immunity from covid was gone, KARL was gone! after 3 months (!)
So everyone thinks differently
And you need to watch smaller TV sets, and think more critically, otherwise the sovietness has not passed and you are used to believing every word
All the best !

[Mikhalych]

The article is either from the Pravda newspaper or from an anecdote: they asked themselves questions and answered them themselves. What is herd immunity? Is this the average temperature in the hospital? All vaccines use the line HEK 293 (Human Embryonic Kidney 293; Human embryonic kidney 293). That is, they want to make people cannibals. Ginzburg writes that there is no abortion material, and another figure, on the contrary, that the vaccine is purified from it with cesium chloride (behind the hill with graphene oxide). Cesium, by the way, even corrodes glass.
Any vaccine against covid is a genetically engineered high-tech product. It contains proteins of messenger RNA (in foreign countries) or DNA (in Russian). These agents integrate into the human genome, change it, modify it, edit it. How they affect will become known only after many years. However, it is known that the seeds of GMO products do not produce offspring.
The United Kingdom is 70% vaccinated, but they get sick more there than in unvaccinated Belarus. Run vaccinated easily and you will not need to use contraceptives.

[alexey1213]

If they are forced to vaccinate, why sign a paper that you are vaccinating voluntarily. Why are they forced to vaccinate someone who has been ill. At first they said that the vaccine is for two years, then for a year now for half a year, and then how much trust. The question of the effectiveness of vaccines is constantly questionable, and what kind of trust you can speak. In our workshop, more than 150 people all got sick August September last year, at the moment no one got sick again. 10-15 people were vaccinated. My parents were vaccinated by 65 and after 42 days the wallpaper got sick, my father was 50% affected by the lungs lay in the hospital. The doctors said that the vaccine is not a guarantee.

[Dilettante grandfather]

"After all, the Gamaleya Center has been working with the Ebola vaccine for many years, has managed to register it, research it and even test it in Africa" ​​- Author, are these related viruses? How do they intersect? Please answer.
"Firstly, there is currently no reliable study on the negative effects of Sputnik V vaccines on reproductive capacity." - I do not argue. The effect of the vaccine on the human body has not been studied at all. And there are no unconditional instructions, and comprehensive data on contraindications from the developer / manufacturer of the vaccine. No, do you understand? A vaccine that was developed in a short time was simply not subjected to comprehensive tests. Why, if you can vaccinate the population of your country, and only after that collect statistics, study what is going wrong? A normal vaccine is developed, then research is carried out. Tested on laboratory animals, fasting - on volunteers. 10-15 years pass. And only then the vaccine is recommended for use. This did not happen with the vaccine the article is about. If I'm wrong, I ask you to provide the sources in which this is all described, step by step. Desirable - not network, but serious.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Quote: Civil

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And the lower the general intellectual level of the region, the more they support Putin and Edro, the authorities will continue to destroy education. A thinking person is dangerous for this power!

But this is not a reason not to get vaccinated. There is also a classic vaccine from the Chumakovsky center. If hi-tech from the Himalea is really scary. People are dying, and the insane anti-vaccination aunts (by the way, they are the overwhelming majority in the election commissions) send each other in the votzap such examples of medieval obscurantism that already for the future of Russia it becomes really scary.

Data on the full test cycle of these vaccines, please. From serious sources, not from the net. Articles in medical journals, preferably international ones.

[Andrey VOV]

And the data on the full cycle of tests of American, Chinese, European vaccines ???

[Dilettante grandfather]

No problem, you can add them to the list. But, to be honest, I don't care much about vaccines that are not imposed on me.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Andrey VOV

And the data on the full cycle of tests of American, Chinese, European vaccines ???

Please, the Lancet has everything, and with the initial test data, which for some reason ours do not provide.

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

Quote: Doccor18

Vaccination is carried out only before the examination by a therapist.

Sisters are vaccinated, this is generally a purely nursing procedure, during which a doctor is not needed at all.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Quote: Konnick

Three weeks ago I had close contact with a woman, the next day after contact, she fell ill, her temperature was over 39, now she is almost healthy, covid, and I have not yet got sick, although the contacts continued, though not so tight. This virus is strange, it looks like you need to be friends with it, humans and viruses have long been living in symbiosis, viruses are even guilty of evolution

I hope they were in contact, and even close, not to help evolution?

[Knell wardenheart]

And again I don't see a word about the fact that Sputnik is a GMO product. How much money have we poured out to nightmare the population of GMOs? Well, they made a nightmare. Even on iodized salt they write "GMO-free". And here is a vaccine with GMOs. What goes around comes around.

[Revival]

From the article:
"The Sputnik V developers are now preparing documents for registration at the WHO level. This is a long and difficult matter, and there is still no sufficient experience in Russia with such cases."

1) And how many Oru was that WHO did not register us out of spite, for political reasons!
But it turns out that the documents were not submitted by us !?

2) hence the second point, it was said that it is precisely because of the "political" approach of WHO to us that we do not start up foreign vaccines in response.

So if there is no "political" approach from WHO, then what is it?

[Boris63]

I was grafted back in mid-February (January-February) ... and by .... who propagates what, both from one side and the other. Everyone lives with their own "mind", but I wish they would not whine later ...

[Kachesgm]

The main side effect of vaccination is that the possibility of a heart attack increases dramatically. Some of the relatives were vaccinated from work as well. There are those who then spent a long time in the hospital with a heart. That is, it is better for people with a weak heart to do a medical treatment.
Another problem is that, like with a flu shot - you do it, you are sure to get sick, you do not do it - everything is in order. Since he calmly communicated with infected covid and did not get sick with anything, there is no desire to be specially vaccinated in order to get sick. And so there are enough worries. On a good antibody test, and then a current vaccination if necessary.
And most importantly, those who are vaccinated are sick again, that is, vaccination does not solve the problem of immunity and does not solve the problem of re-infection. More like a dummy.

[Nikolay73]

The idea of ​​vaccination is that if an infection occurs, the disease can be transferred in a mild form, without complications.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Nikolay73

The idea of ​​vaccination is that if an infection occurs, the disease can be transferred in a mild form, without complications.

Then why restrictions for the unvaccinated? Why coercion?

[Nikolay73]

For the fact that not only those who are fundamentally not vaccinated die are dying, but also because there is a responsibility not only for society before a person, but also for a person before society ... but I thought that an adult sane person does not need to prove anything ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Nikolay73

For the fact that not only those who are fundamentally not vaccinated die die, but also because there is a responsibility not only for society to a person, but also in a person before society.

What are you talking about? Who is responsible to whom if the vaccine does not protect against the possibility of disease, but only mitigates the course of the disease? Accordingly, the vaccinated also get sick, and are also carriers of the infection.
Save me from this obsessive concern for my health, especially against the background of the "optimization" of medicine and the total deterioration of life in other areas.

[tasha]

"Who is responsible to whom if the vaccine does not protect against the possibility of disease, but only mitigates the course of the disease?" Igor, my friend, you seem to have been ill? And they wrote that it was hard. Do not be angry, please, but I think that "Hard" - it seemed to you ... Did you have pneumonia?
I was lucky. There was no damage to the lungs, I did not get into the Kovidnik, I was ill almost on my feet. But, what happened was enough for me ... I'm almost 50 soon and so I never got sick.
I have relatives and friends who have been ill differently. AND...
Breathing is a vital necessity for a person. Now put a bag with a tiny hole on your head or tighten your chest with a belt - how long can you last? Now imagine that it is - for days ...
Well, you are a responsible and conscientious opponent of vaccination. I respect you, as well as your position. But, explain to me, my friend, why you never tire of repeating to each article about covid - spare me the compulsion, I have the right, I ... I ... I? ChSV?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: tasha

You seem to have been ill? And they wrote that it was hard. Do not be angry, please, but I think that "Hard" - it seemed to you ...

Do you think that it seemed like a few days on Ketarol? And then an obsessive dry cough for a month and a half?
However, the illness did not panic me, and I kept my critical thinking. And you know, I was already sick with the same symptoms several years ago.

Quote: tasha

why do you keep repeating for each article about covid

Because I encounter adherents of coercion not only here, but also at work. Although in the same place I see that most people are against coercion, and against vaccination.
It is the adherents of vaccination who are radicals, not opponents of it.

[tasha]

Do you think that it seemed like a few days on Ketarol? belay And then an obsessive dry cough for a month and a half?

Yes, Igor, it seemed. You are really lucky.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: tasha

You are really lucky.

I have good patrons upstairs. How many times in my life there were cases when I thought that everything, on the contrary, endured.

[tasha]

"Since then, when there is no sip and much offend
I say: "brother, the Lord respects us"
I say: "Hold on, brother, the Lord respects us"
I say, "Let's break through, brother, the Lord respects us."
I say: "We will win - the Lord respects us"
Yuri Shevchuk ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: tasha

Yuri Shevchuk ..

My favorite album.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: tasha

how long will you last? Now imagine that this is for days

I know this feeling firsthand. Firstly, I have seasonal asthma since childhood, and secondly, for the first time I got sick with this muck back in early 2019, when it was not officially on the territory of the Russian Federation.

[tasha]

First, I have seasonal asthma since childhood.

Another winter came, everyone began to fall and break their legs. There is a suggestion - to sprinkle the paths with sand so that they do not fall. You are against it, because in childhood you fell and broke ...?!?

secondly, the first time I got sick with this muck back in early 2019, when it was not officially on the territory of the Russian Federation.

It's true. I know several cases of pneumonia in the fall of 2019-winter of 2020. But no covid. So what? Look first?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: tasha

There is a suggestion - to sprinkle the paths with sand so that they do not fall.

This is not sand. And not even sugar. The best way out in winter is with good shoes (analogy for immunity). The Soviet system of medicine was aimed at preventing diseases, while the current one was focused on treating those already identified, and often for a fee.
Therefore, I would rather use other methods to prepare immunity, and not an unknown substance, to which there are much more questions than answers to them. I hope you won't argue with that?

[tasha]

Therefore, I'd rather use other methods to cook immunity

No, well, cook immunity unambiguously ... The main thing is not to get carried away!
A little more serious - byaki's insidiousness is that there is no clear understanding of how this or that organism will react. I am on personal examples again. I got sick myself, brrr. My friend had a fever for two days, the second - 0 (!). Although we talked. The third is a full bouquet. Etc. There are, unfortunately, the departed. With other diseases, I will not be cunning, too. Such a shake-up for the body cannot end without a trace. Take care of yourself!

[Nikolay73]

Yes, I'm talking about that in general, it’s just that you, apparently, think that you should only, everything and for life, and it’s just painful and inconvenient to think further .. I will not wish bad things to you and your loved ones and I hope that prudence will prevail in your judgments.

[Arabfun]

On the conscience of those who argue against vaccination are mountains of corpses and the counter is growing every day.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Arabfun

On the conscience of those who argue against vaccination

What about the conscience of politicians who promise one thing, but do the opposite? I'm talking about pension reform, offshore companies and the optimization of medicine.

[yuratanja1950]

"This is a question of priorities. And in Russia they have been chosen correctly."..

That's right ... And one of the WRONG priorities chosen by the government is the example of Bulgaria ... The government itself admitted this when the people began to die from covid ...

[Pavel57]

The theme is dark. Conspiracy thesis.

[lis-ik]

Evgeny Fedorov. Give better statistics. how many citizens were forced to buy the notorious certificate. The rainbow veil will subside if you get one.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: lis-ik

forced to buy the notorious certificate.

I know a dozen of them, and from different fields of activity.

[Nikolay73]

I will refrain from personal assessments of other people's opinions and choices, it's just a fact of life - yesterday a month passed since my old acquaintance passed away, left at the age of fifty, Pashka, let the earth rest in peace to you ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Nikolay73

left at the age of fifty, Pashka

A 38-year-old man died in Togliatti last week, on the third day after the second vaccine. He was healthy before.

[Nikolay73]

Do you think vaccination makes a person immortal?

[Ingvar 72]

No. But death seems to be like a healthy man on the third day after vaccination, a reason to think.

[Nikolay73]

This is a rhetorical question from my side - don't you believe in coincidences either? No? Then evidence of the connection of one event with another. I am not trolling, you say, so what are your statements based on?

[Viktor Sergeev]

The author, did it ever occur to you that the vaccine and drugs are produced by different companies? How many of those storms and cures for it? The vaccine takes in bulk and it is beneficial, but this does not mean that vaccination is taking place because of this ..

[smaug78]

As always, stupid anti-vaskers will dirtiest any forum

[tolancop]

another and not the smartest propaganda campaign for vaccination and accusation of all mortal sins of opponents of this action
"..." Vaccination is beneficial, first of all, for pharmaceutical giants. "A dangerous myth that collapses on the simplest mathematical calculations. It would be much more profitable for pharmaceutical companies to treat us for coronavirus, and not vaccinate. One dose of Sputnik V vaccination costs 900 rubles, and here is a drug for the treatment of a deadly companion infected with a coronavirus - a cytokine storm - about 50 thousand rubles.The laws of the market dictate a completely different disposition: first of all, we treat with expensive drugs, but we will hold the vaccine for now. without such immoral steps, the world pharmaceutical giants will earn hundreds of billions on vaccines .... "
The author operates with arithmetic. and pharmaceutical companies by algebra. And the laws of the market dictate not at all what the author is talking about. but somewhat different: sell everything that NOW is in demand. which may not be tomorrow. They know how to count money. I. I suppose. long ago it was calculated that vaccinating 100 million (besides not being responsible for the side effects) would be more profitable than treating a million seriously ill patients. Although why am I opposing ... benefitting from the supply of 100 million doses of vaccine does not at all interfere with the benefit from the supply of a million doses of the drug. Including there was no victory of humanity ... the victory was won just by the loot.

"... According to the authoritative journal Nature Medicine, our country is the world leader in anti-vaccination sentiment. Approximately 30% of Russians approve of the vaccine, the rest either believe in a global conspiracy, or do not believe in the effectiveness of the vaccine, or are afraid of contracting COVID-19 from the vaccine itself. Here's how to reach the 80 percent herd immunity threshold with these statistics?
It can be hypothesized that in a country with such a high proportion of people with a university education there is a chance to reach out to common sense .... "
So, with their lies, the authorities ALREADY got through to the common sense of the Russians. The people DO NOT BELIEVE in good intentions, but believe (read - understand) that they once again want to cheat (rob, etc.). The people have just turned on common sense and are suspicious of vaccinations, which are already carried out in public toilets. Just sign a piece of paper WHAT YOU ARE RESPONSING FOR ALL THE CONSEQUENCES! These circumstances are very conducive to increasing confidence. Simply immensely, I would say. And also the fact that quite recently the herd immunity threshold was defined in 60% of the population, and now it has suddenly increased to 80%. Why would it suddenly, and the numbers are so suspiciously round ...

"... An entertaining selection of folk myth-making was prepared by Alena Makarova, molecular biologist, graduate of Kazan State University, candidate of biological sciences, head of a group at the Institute of Molecular Genetics of the Russian Academy of Sciences ..."
Instead of doing business, does she collect myths? And it would be much more useful if, instead of refuting the myths, this learned lady gave answers to the simple questions of people who were labeled as anti-vaccine. There are a lot of questions, but you either don't want to answer them (the official version of what is happening will fly into tar-tarars), or there is simply nothing.

[Andybuts]

Thanks to the author for an adequate position!

The thing is that now the most responsible, suggestible, reasonable and loyal are being instilled. Well, or just those who were forced by a business necessity.

About those loyal to the authorities, I would not say so confidently that they are vaccinated. My father-in-law is VVP, very loyal to the authorities, but he is not going to get vaccinated. For the same loyalists on TV, they also played besogons about chipping by vaccination, so they perceived

[tolancop]

Quote: DenVB

It is not necessary to drag people for vaccination by force (this, apparently, is unconstitutional), but it is quite possible by law to prescribe restrictions for the unvaccinated.

Yes, discrimination based on vaccination is a very constitutional thing.
And the citizens are vaccinated, why are you so angry at unwilling to inject something untested into yourself? You are already protected !!! Or as it turned out not? And then because of what all this vaccination sabbath (another name is difficult to find), if the vaccine does not give protection against the disease. Maybe on a subconscious level you understand that you were simply fucked (once again) and an experiment was carried out on you, so is it a shame for you?

[Roman070280]

The Russians will have to make an almost fourfold jump by November, and this is a completely unrealistic date.

The brother works at Voronezhselmash, the director gathered all the workers, and said - whoever refuses to be vaccinated, raise your hands, we will look for a replacement .. That's all the "races"

the fact is that now the most responsible, suggestible, reasonable and loyal are being instilled.

As one of our comrades says - "bullshit" (c)

or simply those who are forced by a business necessity.

But this is closer to reality ..
A business need .. or a need to go somewhere .. Or, in general, a need to pick up in a cafe / sit on a bench ..

It would be much more profitable for pharmaceutical companies to treat us for coronavirus, rather than vaccinate us. One dose of the Sputnik V vaccination costs 900 rubles, but a drug for the treatment of a deadly companion infected with a coronavirus, a cytokine storm, costs about 50 thousand rubles.

"bullshit" (c)

1 in 25 of the population of the Russian Federation fell ill.
And to vaccinate everyone !! The difference is on the face ..
Well, and then every six months, "revaccination" ..
We get the bills, smile and wave ..)))

[stalkerwalker]

I didn't want to enter into this essentially scandal, which erupted so that the server goes crazy, allowing it to be discussed ... But still ...
1. The author spared the readers, pointing out the so-called. the "average world level" of vaccination in Russia is 15%. Although the article mentions that the average European level of vaccination is already 50%.
Hence the question for some particularly literate opponents of vaccination - if you are so fond of referring to Norwegian salaries and German pensions, then why don't you follow the "European path" and show that you are really civilized people, and not fellow travelers of Europeans coming out in the country of which about 5% are vaccinated?
2. The first rule of medicine says: "Help yourself."
Conclusion. Anti-vaccines are the essence of the conscious disseminators of Covid-19 infection.
H. The last thing that can be seen from the heated discussions.
Anti-vaccinators are, above all, the most ardent opponents of the current government. I do not blame them for this - they have the right. But their arguments like “I don’t trust the government,” or “the Russian vaccine has not been properly researched,” suggest that they do not want to be vaccinated again, and they follow the logic contribution to the increase in the number of cases. " And this can be seen with the naked eye. In normal life, I try not to communicate with such people, to bypass the side, so that when we meet there is no reason to shake hands, because these are morally low personalities. It would be better if they were silent ...
PS
He was vaccinated at the end of March. In October I will go for the secondary vaccination.

[Clear]

Quote: stalkerwalker

I didn't want to enter into this essentially scandal, which erupted so that the server goes crazy, allowing it to be discussed ... But still ...

I also.
By the way, I read all the posts of old acquaintances and concluded that I was glad to those who were vaccinated, and also glad to those ... who were not vaccinated.
I didn't even imagine that everything would be so fair

[Terenin]

Quote: Clear

glad to those who were vaccinated, and also glad to those ... who were not vaccinated.
I didn't even imagine that everything would be so fair

Clear, and you are a dangerous person (do not be offended ) Do you want to say "chickens are counted in the fall"?

[Clear]

Quote: Terenin

Quote: Clear

glad to those who were vaccinated, and also glad to those ... who were not vaccinated.
I didn't even imagine that everything would be so fair

Clear, and you are a dangerous person (do not be offended ) Do you want to say "chickens are counted in the fall"?

Gena, the main thing is that they (like chickens) are not written off all year round

Do not get sick!

[bandabas]

Vaccination occurs voluntarily and compulsorily under the threat of being suspended from work without pay. Complete nonsense against the background of defilement of power and money without masks, surrounded by masked servants. Well, people do not want to be a guinea pig.

[certero]

This epidemic showed how bad it is with education in Russia.
And how bad it sucks with trust in the state.
But what surprised me most of all was that there was a huge number of anti-vaccines of my and older generation, that is, those who grew up in the Soviet Union and received a bunch of vaccines in childhood.

[Turist1996]

Don't forget to download the update ..

[Adagka]

Something completely with the argumentation of the Kovidobes became bad, they are already repeating some mantras for you. Meanwhile, everything to the point of being banal is simply that the authorities have gone so far that the absolute majority does not have any confidence in it. Literally from the latter, according to the Federal State Statistics Service, pensions in real terms decreased, although when the law on raising the retirement age was pushed from each iron, it was rushed like annually pensions would grow faster than inflation, but as they say, I didn’t, I didn’t do it .... or, for example, literally news yesterday - the authorities of St. Petersburg explained the deaths after vaccination by the presence of cancer or cardiovascular diseases in the dead. What, eh ???? Those. at first, prick everyone in a row just to report up on the indicators, this is normal. And then it turns out there were contraindications

[Turist1996]

So I'm talking about the same thing: such an agitation campaign has been launched, no worse than before the pension reform. And we know very well what this reform has brought about. Therefore, with any initiative of the authorities "for all the good against all the bad" personally, I immediately get the impression that our "beloved" government again wants to "throw" me on something, in criminal slang.

[tolancop]

Quote: certero

.... But most of all I was surprised by the fact that there is a huge number of anti-vaccines of my and older generation, that is, those who grew up in the Soviet Union and received a bunch of vaccines in childhood.

If the head were turned on, then they would cease to be surprised. Those who grew up in the USSR remember very well HOW vaccination was carried out then. The person was under regular medical supervision, the doctor had a medical history in his hands, often kept from childhood, i.e. had a more or less objective picture of a person's condition. Vaccinations were carried out, as a rule, in medical institutions, or by mobile teams of doctors at enterprises, schools, kindergartens. And vaccines have been TESTED for decades. It was THEN. Compare with how (and what !!!) vaccination is carried out NOW, and maybe surprise will be replaced by understanding .... that something obscure is happening.

[tolancop]

Quote: stalkerwalker

I didn't want to enter into this essentially scandal, which erupted so that the server goes crazy, allowing it to be discussed ... But still ...
1. The author spared the readers, pointing out the so-called. the "average world level" of vaccination in Russia is 15%. Although the article mentions that the average European level of vaccination is already 50%.
Hence the question for some particularly literate opponents of vaccination - if you are so fond of referring to Norwegian salaries and German pensions, then why don't you follow the "European path" and show that you are really civilized people, and not fellow travelers of Europeans coming out in the country of which about 5% are vaccinated?
2. The first rule of medicine says: "Help yourself."
Conclusion. Anti-vaccines are the essence of the conscious disseminators of Covid-19 infection.
H. The last thing that can be seen from the heated discussions.
Anti-vaccinators are, above all, the most ardent opponents of the current government. I do not blame them for this - they have the right. But their arguments like “I don’t trust the government,” or “the Russian vaccine has not been properly researched,” suggest that they do not want to be vaccinated again, and they follow the logic contribution to the increase in the number of cases. " And this can be seen with the naked eye. In normal life, I try not to communicate with such people, to bypass the side, so that when we meet there is no reason to shake hands, because these are morally low personalities. It would be better if they were silent ...
PS
He was vaccinated at the end of March. In October I will go for the secondary vaccination.

Whatever the point, then distortion or lies.
item 1. I have never met with the opponents of vaccination references to Norwegian salaries and German pensions. The trick is usual: ascribe a certain statement to your opponent and immediately refute it.
p.2 The state of health care in the country, apparently already fully complies with the "first rule of medicine." Now other diagnoses besides the fashionable one seem to be of no interest to any of the health authorities. And many thanks to the doctors who still help people with a non-conspicuous diagnosis. From what the "Conclusion. Anti-vaccines are the essence of conscious distributors of Covid-19 infection" is generally not clear !!! Out of nothing. just a stream of gases into a puddle !!! In addition, high officials still cannot decide whether the vaccinated (recovered) carriers of the virus can be or not. Sometimes they can't, sometimes they can ...
p.3 Again unfounded and unfounded statements (judge the rest by yourself?). And people. described in clause 3, be sure to bypass the party, they may be beaten for what you are talking about.
And anti-vaccinators are not the most ardent opponents of power. But they will definitely be. based on the lawlessness perpetrated by the authorities with vaccination.

[Poru4ik]

In June, three large events with mass participation of people were held in St. Petersburg. 1 - economic sabbath, 2 - football championship, 3 - Scarlet Sails. Judging by the photo/video information, the participants put a big bolt on anti-Covid events. Taking into account the incubation period, in mid-July St. Petersburg was supposed to turn into a “plague chamber.”
Now let’s look at the official statistics for July 15: 25 cases of coronavirus were identified in Russia over the past 140 hours. Also, over the past day, 16 people were cured and 429 died.
The largest number of new cases of infection were recorded in Moscow (5), Moscow region (403), St. Petersburg (2), Nizhny Novgorod region (566) and Sverdlovsk region (2).
Statistics as of July 30: The number of new cases of coronavirus infection per day in St. Petersburg is 1. At the moment, 916 people are sick with coronavirus infection in the active phase in St. Petersburg. The total number of deaths from coronavirus in St. Petersburg is 5 people and this is 950% of all cases. Over the past 19 hours, 171 people have died from coronavirus in St. Petersburg.
The question is, where is Zin’s money?
And the information is a little outdated, but it makes you think about what is happening with a certain degree of mistrust

[Alexander Lysenko]

My sister and her family received their first vaccination in February and the second in March. We returned from the sea two weeks ago. Covid. So I’m sitting and wondering whether to get vaccinated or not... And mine all got sick at the same time. And I. In a light form. So to vaccinate or not? A rhetorical question.

[Clear]

Quote: Alexander Lysenko

So to vaccinate or not? A rhetorical question.

Rhetorical answer. If you want, get vaccinated. And if you don’t want to, don’t get vaccinated.

[Turist1996]

Yeah, of course! The employer decides for you! And then you have a choice - whether you want to work or not..

[Compasure]

In the UK, with 55% of those vaccinated over the same period, there was a fourfold drop in the number of daily vaccinations.

So, the author writes about 55% of those vaccinated, i.e. a number close to collective immunity. Next, we open the statistics of Covid infections in the UK as of July 30.
https://coronavirus-monitor.info/country/uk/
and what do we see?

As of July 30, 2021, 5 cases of Covid-830 coronavirus infection were recorded in the UK. Over the past 774 hours, the number of infected people has increased by 19 people.

Both are at 29 thousand, where there is almost collective immunity!!!
And you will convince me that the vaccine protects against Covid-19?

[tasha]

“A real hunt for doctors began. Since in those days it was recommended to carry a solution of bleach or strong vinegar, which should be used to regularly wipe your hands and face for preventive purposes, anyone caught with these items in your pocket was in for trouble. At best, such hygienists were forced publicly ingest these drugs in order to prove their non-toxicity. Gradually, individual popular initiatives of this kind acquired a mass character, resulting in a full-fledged rebellion." Chronicles of a cholera epidemic, Russia, early 18th century. I don’t remember in which film, the main character exclaims: “But with us everything is still the same...”

[bk0010]

The author got everything mixed up. Let's look at it in detail.

“Vaccination is beneficial, first of all, to pharmaceutical giants”

Not the “pharmaceutical giants,” but the top of Rospotrebnadzor (those who are pushing for universal vaccination), they have a number of patents for the vaccine, and they get money from each vaccination.

“There is no trust in the domestic Sputnik V - they did it too quickly”

That’s right: the vaccine takes two years to make. And references to the Ebola vaccine are not clear: most of the time is spent not on development, but on testing. And non-domestic vaccines also do not inspire confidence for the same reasons.

“Oncological disease can be a consequence of vaccination”

Maybe. The trick is that this crap can come from anything, it's a matter of probability. There is no danger from vaccination.

“After vaccination there will be no children or they will be born unhealthy”

I heard a ringing, but I don’t know where it is. A fragment was found in the Pfizer vaccine that coincided with a protein important for the formation of the placenta, and there was a howl that the immune system of those vaccinated would not allow the placenta to form. Pharmacologists say that the immune system is trained not on a fragment, but on the entire piece of the virus.

"If I get a vaccine during an epidemic, I will dramatically increase the chances of getting infected."

Exactly. Vaccination is not carried out during an epidemic. In addition, the fact that antibodies from the vaccine are not detected by testing for antibodies to Covid also does not add confidence.

“Sputnik V is not the best vaccine, it’s not for nothing that the WHO has not yet approved it.”

Has Sputnik been proven to be the best vaccine? Has WHO approved it? What, no? Then what is the myth?

[Andrey Mansurov]

Never. Let them at least introduce the death penalty.

[Kelwin]

Author, put on a gas mask, stick five syringes into your forehead and go beyond the horizon. Don’t forget to tell your grandchildren about all this heresy that you brought up here.

[Turist1996]

Another voice from the iron.
For the author, I will explain my position: no one disputes the benefits of vaccination. The obligatory approach, the disregard of basic human rights and, in fact, the segregation of the population according to a certain criterion are annoying. And fictitious!

[certero]

Quote: tolancop

And vaccines have been PROVEN for decades. This

Nonsense. What decades? The polio vaccine was practically first used in the USSR.
The smallpox vaccine used in 60 was also fresh, recently created.
But the fact is that everyone in the Union would have already been vaccinated, that’s for sure. They wouldn’t listen to the whiners, but would come to work and pierce everyone.

[Serge-667]

Polio and influenza are two very different things.

[Alex66]

Why should I give consent to vaccination in writing, I don’t have complete information, I’m not a professional? Why don’t they insure for 3-5 million if it’s safe? Have you ever seen the whole world sing one song, constantly like a swan, a cancer and a pike. And yes, Putin deprived us of our pensions, but here we have such savings without a vaccine and he is eager to save us for profit?

[andron352]

No need for vaccines, no need for masks. The more people who die out, the better it will be for the planet. Those who survived the first infection will be killed by the second or third. The more people get sick, the greater the likelihood of new, more dangerous mutations of the virus. Maybe the planet will be cleansed of the mold called HUMANITY!

[V means B]

Just now, last week, I caught the edge of my ear when the Minister of Health said that the results of the 3rd stage of clinical trials of a vaccine, I don’t remember exactly the name, but in my opinion it was a satellite, will be published at the end of this year. How is this possible? It seems that before this they claimed that everything has already been tested and therefore everyone can inject, but then it turns out, “There it is, Mikhalych.”

[Gunther]

Quote: myth busters

It would be much more profitable for pharmaceutical concerns to treat us from coronavirus rather than vaccinate us...

The author has a problem with arithmetic - draw a correlation between the number of sick people (conventional 50 thousand rubles) and the number of vaccinated people (conventional 900 rubles), plus the mutation of the virus, which means vaccinating with liquids 2 times a year, plus the mood to vaccinate everyone with liquid.
learn arithmetic, myth busters))))
yes, and the main thing is that pharma will both treat and vaccinate, that’s where the author’s logic fails lol

[Serge-667]

Recently, “Military Review” has somehow begun to disturb with absolutely profane notes.

[petrol cutter]

For a year, or how long there has been an epidemic, no one has declared an epidemic in the country to this day.
None of my workmates got seriously ill or died.
Why am I suddenly obliged to inject myself with some kind of *mura* (medicine needs to get money back) that hasn’t even been fully tested?!..
Otherwise, we won’t let you go to work!..
What the hell is starting? AH?!..
Out of principle, I don’t want to expand any kind of...
Don't understand what. And I don’t understand why the bad guy.
Sorry if I said something wrong.
Vacationers walk around without any masks or gloves.
They spread their infection around. And for some reason I have to vaccinate fiercely...

[Vsevolod136]

Quote: author

The Gamaleya Center has been working with the Ebola vaccine for many years, managed to register it, research it and even test it in Africa.

Well.....
What's next for the miracle vaccine from the Barmaleya center?
So what is next:
"At WHO, documents on the conducted
no clinical trials have been reported. Medicines for
Gamalei were not allowed to vaccinate the population in
time of new outbreaks in Africa. They're still going through
international clinical trials without visible
hopes for recognition. Their fate is sadly different
from the rVSV-ZEBOV vaccine approved in 2019, in
almost 12 thousand participated in the trial
people, and the results were published in a prestigious
journal The Lancet."

[Vsevolod136]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

Maybe it's enough to search for "enemies of the people"? vaccines, anti-vaccines? in the GULAG "anti-vaccine" Yes, they are agents of the "State Department" and so on. The fact that vaccination in the country is organized very badly, the author does not write, he found the guilty, "anti-vaccine" vaccine. And so they would have accepted and the sadness would have passed.

The doctor is coming, the doctor is coming...
He's carrying healing powder))))))))
The man and the cat will take the powder
And sadness will recede, and longing will pass.

[Gunther]

I’m embarrassed to ask - is the photo with a folk cap, is this a portrait of the author?

[tolancop]

Quote: certero

...It's nonsense. What decades? The polio vaccine was practically first used in the USSR.
The smallpox vaccine used in 60 was also fresh, recently created....

Well, right away it’s nonsense... Some vaccines have been tested for decades. Some were fresh, BUT HAVE PASSED A FULL CYCLE OF TESTS. And after that they went into mass use.
I can’t judge how fresh the smallpox vaccine was in the 60s, but in general, smallpox vaccination has been carried out since the time of Catherine. And en masse in the USSR certainly no later than the early 30s of the 20th century. People born in the 20-30s and (later) have distinct marks on their right hands.

Quote: certero

....But the fact is that everyone in the Union would have already been vaccinated, that’s for sure. They wouldn’t listen to the whiners, but would come to work and pierce everyone.

Just don’t whistle about what it would be like in the Union. And how would they pierce the whiners? Forcibly? SHAAAAAAAASSSS!!! And then there were categories of people who were subject to mandatory vaccination, but it was possible to refuse the vaccine. It is very possible that they would not have been allowed to work later, but the list of such work was not too large and, in general, as far as I understand, approximately coincided with the current one (approved by the Government Resolution, and not the tyranny scribble of a certain official holding the position of chief sanitary doctor of the region) . And in the USSR, in the event of a situation like with covid, the problem would most likely be dealt with not by the SanEpidem Station (read Rospotrebnadzor), but by the corresponding Department of the Ministry of Defense (although maybe implicitly, but behind the screen of the same SES). As they say, feel the difference.

[tolancop]

Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)

Are you suggesting to me now to believe in these fairy tales without proof? Will your face crack?

so many dead

Where are there many of them, in Russia, in Argentina? For reasons related to satellite vaccination, exactly zero people died.

I’ll try to answer by quoting you:
"....Are you now expecting me to believe in these fairy tales without evidence? Won't my face crack?.."
Are you asking us to believe the data of the Argentine report? Or Russian, which I really haven’t heard of? I can offhand name five reasons why it is not profitable for the state to provide reliable statistics on deaths associated with the vaccine. If out of the hundreds of millions of people vaccinated around the world, no one has died as a result of vaccination, then the theory of probability is simply resting indignantly on the sidelines.

[tolancop]

Quote: carstorm 11

I’ll repeat to you: they came to school and injected me. They called me from class to test against ticks. Who asked my parents? No. They learned from us that we were vaccinated. And why shouldn’t I compare this? For you, this is the USSR, a temple on a mountain, but for me, it’s just a segment of Russian history.

I confirm that they came and injected me. And they called me out of class. And the parents were not asked... until the child, warned in advance, refused the injection. And no one at school put pressure on the child in this case, since at that time no papers were signed about voluntariness and accepting all the consequences, and none of the medical workers was in a hurry to go to jail. What if the child has contraindications about which there is nothing in the medical record (they looked)? We began to discuss with the parents the reasons for the refusal. IT WAS!!!

[tolancop]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

For especially stubborn supporters of non-states, built by thieves and traitors on the rubble of the USSR, I recall that there were a lot of books in the USSR in the free access and they cost a penny, and even special literature (technical, medical, etc.) and even more so. In addition, there were libraries and reading rooms, where there was practically everything. There was a shortage of complete collections of works by a number of authors (fiction), which were usually acquired through the factory, our trade union committee was engaged in this.

To be fair, I must note that the situation with specialized literature in the USSR was not so rosy. Buying a good reference book or something similar (on electronics in particular) on free sale was no small success. A pre-order helped somewhat, but it was not accepted everywhere and there were no guarantees of getting what you wanted. There WERE libraries and reading rooms that had EVERYTHING, but not everywhere, rather in large cities. There were technical libraries at enterprises, but again not all of them. Incl. Compared to the current abundance of specialized literature, the USSR, alas, looks pale. Maybe the demand for knowledge has decreased?

[tolancop]

Quote: Hagen

I’m also not an expert on viral diseases, but I can say that one severe case of Covid costs the country about 200 rubles. On the day, more than 000 people become ill again, 23-000% of whom will spend 60 tr. Do you think, at least in order to save on the budget, it makes sense to moderate your stubbornness,

Don’t you confuse government wool with private wool? Maybe a severe case of Covid costs 200 thousand. Not just for the country, but for the health insurance fund, contributions to which are received regularly from every officially working citizen. If I'm wrong, correct me.

[flicker]

The President keeps repeating: vaccination must be VOLUNTARY.
The government, represented by Mishustin Golikova, Popova and Murashko, are organizing an EXEMPLARY FORCED vaccination.
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Question: for what?
Is this a hidden indulgence in rebellion?
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Maybe there is no increase in Covid, but there is a need to create conditions for a rebellion and all these numbers are a bluff (and there are quite a lot of facts about this) in order to start mass vaccination, and necessarily forced.
And at the beginning of September, for example, mass publications about the dangers of vaccination will begin - WHAT WILL MILLIONS FORCEDLY VACCINED DO THEN?!

Moreover, we are not talking about forcibly vaccinated liberals, but about completely patriotic-minded ones.

And who will the Russian Guard have to disperse? Teachers, doctors, students, pensioners?
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And such publications are already beginning in England and the USA, where they are increasingly reporting that the majority of those sick were vaccinated.
There is reason to believe that all this forced vaccination is not good.
Autumn is no longer on the horizon.

[Andrey_7]

.win myths.
Why inject EVERYONE for a disease whose mortality rate is relatively low with something whose side effects have not been fully studied?