It became known what the head of the PRC Foreign Ministry spoke about at a meeting with representatives of the Taliban in Tianjin

From China comes confirmation of information that a delegation of the Taliban movement (* a terrorist group banned in the Russian Federation) has visited Tianjin. Earlier, representatives of the Taliban * visited Moscow, where they literally swore that "not a single speck of dust will fall on the Russian Consulate General" in Afghan Mazar-i-Sharif. At the same time, the Taliban called on Russia to cancel the status of a terrorist organization for the Taliban and to promote this idea through the UN Security Council.

As it turns out, the Taliban want the same from the Chinese authorities. Today this request was voiced in Tianjin, where representatives of the Taliban * were met by no less than the head of the Chinese Foreign Ministry, Wang Yi.
Chinese press:

The visits of the top Taliban to Russia and China show that the Taliban recognize the efforts of the two countries to normalize the situation in Afghanistan. The Taliban have spoken in favor of Afghanistan being governed by internal forces supported by the Afghan people.

Wang Yi:

We hope that the Taliban will put national interests first and prioritize peace negotiations. The main task today is to achieve peace in Afghanistan. This will create a positive image for the Taliban both in Afghanistan itself and in the international arena.

According to the head of the Chinese Foreign Ministry, the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan makes it possible for this country to develop independently, with the inclusion in the peace process of development of all internal political forces, for which the priority is the interests of the Afghan people.

The Taliban * spokesman said that they are ready to discuss issues of interaction with the current government of Afghanistan.

Against this background, more and more areas are being transferred to the control of the Taliban * in Afghanistan.

Comments

[tihonmarine]

How many troubles fell on such a beautiful country.

[Svarog]

Quote: tihonmarine

How many troubles fell on such a beautiful country.

With troubles, yes .. but what is the beauty of this country? We have more beautiful ... and no less troubles.

[A009]

I don’t know why you are negative, but I also don’t understand what is beautiful in this country?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: A009

I don’t know why you are negative, but I also don’t understand what is beautiful in this country?

Heavy memories, filled through and through with Bondarchuk's deceitful "Ninth Vomit". What a disgusting movie ...

[bayard]

The film is really shoddy to the point of vomiting, although the battle scenes and plans were shot well.

[ohka_new]

It was a normal country. Under Zahir Shah.

[bayard]

Quote: ohka_new

It was a normal country. Under Zahir Shah.

The Englishwoman shit, their intelligence there provoked a revolutionary movement, albeit a kind of socialist one ... Well, Andropov played along.
It was a wonderful country before all the upheavals, and relations with the USSR were very warm.
And Amin trusted our doctors and military men infinitely ... until the storming of his palace ...
The tricks of Andropov and his Anglo-Saxon companions.

[Ryaruav]

judging by the photo, just like persia under the shah, normal people

[alystan]

And what do you understand in this life then? People would live and live, no matter what beauty surrounds them! I don’t know where you and Svarog were born, and maybe yours is very beautiful! But for something I yearn more and more for my small homeland, which most likely should not differ much from the Afghani landscapes!
Any country is beautiful not only by the beauties of nature, by the people inhabiting it! And probably a lot more than that, you can't remember everything at once! I almost forgot my childhood friends, but this only concerns me!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: alystan

And probably a lot more than that, you can't remember everything at once! I almost forgot my childhood friends, but this only concerns me!

And me too.

[alystan]

This concerns all people, I just unsuccessfully screwed in a phrase about it - I did it in the context of my post !!!

[hrych]

Well, how, beautiful, endless poppy fields against the backdrop of the mountains

First, the fact that the Taliban delegation was received in the Russian Federation and the PRC at the official level already rejects the marginality of the movement and it is time to cancel its recognition as terrorist. Before that, they talked to the Americans, before the shameful flight. Secondly, the Taliban themselves are great fellows, making civilized, diplomatic efforts. These are great warriors who follow the code of honor and keep their word, albeit unconditionally merciless. The Chinese have a lot to offer; they are capable of blocking the supply of Uyghur separatists.

[Humpty]

Quote: hrych

like, beautiful, endless poppy fields against the backdrop of the mountains

I also like this place in the spring, on the way to Vorontsovka.

[Avior]

Kyrgyzstan, she is like that :))

[hrych]

Feel the opium sarcasm, don't go into the jungle of picture identification

[Avior]

What's the sarcasm?

According to the annual report of the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), opium production in Afghanistan this year will grow by 43%, to 4,8 thousand tons. The area under the cultivation of opium poppy also increased - by 10%, to 201 thousand hectares. This increase in opium production is associated with an increase in territory controlled by the Taliban, for which the drug trade is one of the most important sources of income.

This is the first available data for 2016.
Others will be similar. And why is this Taliban so good for you?
There was a gap when the Taliban banned poppy cultivation, but it is long gone, the Taliban now provide up to 90 percent of the world's opium.

[hrych]

Firstly, the transit of herain across the border is based on the family ties of ethnic groups with statehood in Central Asia. It comes to Russia with fruit trucks and through guest workers with hiding places in the body. Those. where Bucha's father hid a gold watch (Pulp Fiction). The Taliban, seizing the border, are now inflicting an irreparable blow on this transit. Secondly, the heroin was sent in tons from Bagram by NATO transports. Poppy planting and opium harvesting themselves flourished under the current government and the presence of NATO occupiers. This is an indisputable fact and there is no need to blame the rebels. Undoubtedly, the Taliban did not come to Moscow empty-handed; for non-interference, they unambiguously promised to stop the traffic. Apart from the security of diplomatic missions, they actually have nothing more to offer, and before Russian investments in the economy they still need to take Kabul, bang Dostum with his drug cartel, etc. When the Taliban take Kabul, which is inevitable, they will build the economy thanks to its unique transit properties. Oil pipes will go from Iran to China, and gas pipes from Russia and Central Asia to Pakistan and India. The pipeline cross, which NATO occupiers did not allow for two decades. Russia this summer began building a transpakistan pipeline from Karachi to Lahore. For LNG and its delivery to the north of the country. However, it will be possible to connect it to the Trans-Afghan pipe and pipe gas will already flow in reverse. Afghanistan shares borders with Iran, Pakistan, India, China. Well, with Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and the CSTO represented by Tajikistan. The enmity between India and Pakistan, the enmity between India and China, did not allow making pipes from Iran to India and from Iran to China, and from Russia to India. All these issues are being resolved through a neutral, Taliban Afghanistan. Naturally, the investments of Russia, Iran, Pakistan, China and India in agriculture and the transit of hydrocarbons will be linked to the destruction of poppy crops and the planting of food crops. These countries are directly affected by traffic. The Taliban's threat is a sharp strengthening of our positions in the Central Asian republics.

[Avior]

You, it seems, did not read the above quote - who expanded the poppy crops in Afghanistan.
As for their promises, they will promise anything now. in three or four years there will be no promises, while others have not promised anything.

[hrych]

Quote: Avior

such a feeling, did not read the quoted quote

And who ruled in Afghanistan? Who occupied it? What are the Taliban crops? Who flew over these crops and admired the poppy carpet? Taliban on kites? The Taliban are rebels and illegal immigrants, the Taliban are fighters, not peasants. If they extorted money and food from the peasants for their struggle, then this is a normal practice. Nothing prevented the Americans from spraying defoliant over young poppy crops, in the territory where the Taliban hunted. A poppy field cannot hide in caves and thickets or in a village under a bench. Therefore, your data is a blatant, American lie.

[Avior]

As if unambiguously written, like

the increase in opium production is associated with an increase in the territory controlled by the Taliban, for which the drug trade is one of the most important sources of income

[hrych]

So do not quote heresy, even though it is written there. Poppy is not magic to grow in a few days the Americans fled from Bagram, just now, and who actually counted the number of crops and their dynamics? Are you personally? Americans? Who was counting something? Are the botanists from Brussels here? The brain has to be turned on sometimes. If the whole opium logistics is tied to the enemies of the Taliban, that's it. If now there is an intensification of hostilities, what is the landing? They cut off the border and disrupt the well-spent logistics of local, hostile tribes. The Taliban were in the occupation of a little more than 10 thousand in the 32-million-strong Afghanistan, and it can only be said that they controlled a lot of traffic by a gullible and narrow-minded contingent of ordinary people. Moreover, not all Taliban worked directly in Afghanistan, some did not cross the cordon at all. They worked like the DRG and if they were supported and fed by the Pashtun population, but even if these comrades were growing poppy, they handed it over to the central government, and not to the Taliban. I repeat, the Taliban are warriors, the Taliban were illegal partisans. It is now they are seizing territories, they are mobilizing, the security forces are going over to their side and the size of the army is growing many times, so if they mobilize the people, how can the crops grow again? Don't you like the Taliban? Your problems and you can cry, your right. Moreover, there is no Massoud, Dostum is an old man and it is felt that he also ate opium by the time of Alzheimer's, there are no charismatic leaders of the Soviet troops who were selected by strikes, but the Taliban have learned to fight well-equipped NATO members and are now in good shape and crushing everything in their path. They are not concerned with the poppy now, but the military victory. If you are fighting on the front lines, do you think about uncooked potatoes? Why should the Taliban, cutting off borders and blocking the enemy in cities, be thinking about crops in preparation for an assault? Are you Avior or where? The problems of the peasants do not bother the king Rajput farmers' problems poboku They will take Kabul, they will take everything, including the treasury and ready-made gerych

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

The Taliban now provide up to 90 percent of the world's opium.

There will be no opium, they will drive the "Chinese" and other synthetics. That on the forehead, that on the forehead.

[Avior]

Weak excuse for drug dealers

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

Weak excuse for drug dealers

And you look at the drug market, what kind of nonsense they sell.

[alystan]

And if you get into the jungle of a poppy plantation (even mentally), then what will you feel ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: alystan

And if you get into the jungle of a poppy plantation (even mentally), then what will you feel ...

Bliss !

[alystan]

Are you Kara-Balta?

[alystan]

It depends on which side to look, or rather in which direction to go - towards the high mountains or away from them?

[Bradley]

First, the fact that the Taliban delegation was received in the Russian Federation and the PRC at the official level already rejects the marginality of the movement and it is time to cancel its recognition as terrorist.

Will we just forget about the terrorist attacks?
There are cases when underage teenagers became victims of the Taliban. For example, in 2007, in Paktika province, the Taliban shot a schoolchild for learning English. In 2010, in Helmand province, they executed a 7-year-old boy accused of espionage. In 2011, they hanged an 8-year-old child whose father, who served in the police, refused to go over to their side.
BUT...

Quote: hrych

Secondly, the Taliban themselves are great fellows, making civilized, diplomatic efforts. These are great warriors who follow the code of honor and keep their word, albeit unconditionally merciless.

And yes, we will forget that the Taliban and the Chechens helped financially? Well done! Is not it?

You may not know, but opium is the main income of the Taliban. Do you think they sell it to themselves?
And there is nothing to say about the rights of women.
Well, as you write - the Taliban are great.

[hrych]

Quote: Bradley

studied english

First, this non-language must be abandoned everywhere, including Britain. Secondly, isolated cases of war crimes are not an indicator, the opposing side is much more disgusting. The Taliban are fighting drugs, banning bacha bazi and other abominations that flourish under the current government. Women were not painfully liberated by the Kabul regime either. The Taliban forced the Americans and the NATO occupation troops to flee shamefully, despite the most modern weapons, they could not destroy the movement and simply deprive them of combat capability, which in the flight of NATO, they are the dominant force in Afghanistan. The reason is organization, fighting qualities and courage.

[Bradley]

First, this non-language must be abandoned everywhere, including Britain.

Well, since the boy studied English, then it means you can wet it?

Secondly, isolated cases of war crimes are not an indicator, the opposing side is much more disgusting.

These are not isolated cases. And yes - an indicator.

The Taliban are fighting drugs, banning bacha bazi and other abominations that flourish under the current government.

The Taliban make money off the poppy. Or do you think Allah gives them?

Will you start to justify ISIS tomorrow? Well done guys, handsome guys, finally guys. Yes?
I don’t think it makes sense to further develop the dialogue with you. You defend and justify terrorism, and this, by the way, is an article in our country.

[decimalegio]

here are the deeds and honor of the Taliban (illegal in Russia

[alystan]

A wonderful shot with poppies! You can probably find a lot of such beautiful places from Mongolia and China to Turkey, and further wherever there are mountains.

[saygon66]

Not tulips? Those poppies have a different color ...

[hrych]

Poppy, seen by nearby flowers. The leaves are characteristic of the poppy, not the tulip.

[Clear]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: tihonmarine

How many troubles fell on such a beautiful country.

With troubles, yes .. but what is the beauty of this country? We have more beautiful ... and no less troubles.

Svarog, the topic about China and the Taliban, where does "... we have no less troubles ..."? Did you just get out of the encirclement from the Tver region?

[Svarog]

Quote: Clear

Svarog, the topic of China and the Taliban, where does it come from?

I don’t know about China .. I don’t know why you brought it here .. China was not mentioned by me ..

... we have no less troubles ... "? Did you only come out of the encirclement from the Tver region in battle?

The scale of troubles determines consciousness .. If you look at how Russia is dying out .. and the history of Russia .. then troubles did not pass us by either ..

[ultra]

And who is to blame for "dying out"?

[Svarog]

Quote: ultra

And who is to blame for "dying out"?

adherents of capitalism .. of course .. and personally your idol ..

[ultra]

Are you sure of that? My grandmother's family, on the maternal side, had 8 children, and all were born during the empire.

[Clear]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Clear

Svarog, the topic of China and the Taliban, where does it come from?

I don’t know about China .. I don’t know why you brought it here .. China was not mentioned by me ..

... we have no less troubles ... "? Did you only come out of the encirclement from the Tver region in battle?

The scale of troubles determines consciousness .. If you look at how Russia is dying out .. and the history of Russia .. then troubles did not pass us by either ..

In your case, according to Freud, "The scale of your personality is determined by the magnitude of the problem that can drive you crazy."
In short, put out the light. Now the rest of the "musicians" will catch up and mourning music will play in the Motherland.

[TANKISTONE]

Clear (Clear)

In your case, according to Freud, "The scale of your personality is determined by the magnitude of the problem that can drive you crazy." Yes, that still "concerned" authority!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Clear

did you leave the encirclement in battle?

Duc, while the orderlies left for tea ...

[Alien From]

I agree with you! Pay attention, the drug business rules there. There is no recipe for a "legitimate" solution to the issue.

[Nazar]

Alien From - Speak the drug business in Afghanistan? Where does he not rule? At one time, the not unknown Rothschilds made their capital on what? Yes, the fact that with the arrival of the Americans in Afghanistan, the production of drugs has grown many times over, speaks of the fact that the drug business rules not only in Afghanistan.

[Alien From]

Yes this is true. They are targeting this shit.

[hagen]

Quote: Svarog

We have more beautiful ... and no less troubles.

Our main problem is the crying all-consuming people who convince everyone around that the cemetery is more fun than in the country. It is from them that all living things scatter in search of places where food is fatter and sweeter. Through hopelessness in your comments, you bring up in people, sometimes young people, insecurity in life, their strengths, contempt for their state. As a result, if, as you say, we have no less troubles than in Afghanistan (though I doubt that you saw what Afghanistan is with your own eyes), then, among others, your merit is in this.

[Petrik66]

Do you seriously think that we have no less troubles than in Afghanistan? We have devastation, drugs, war for 40 years? Wild poverty, the absence of a sane central government, are there foreign troops on our territory? $ 500 per capita per year? The complete absence of social services, health care, etc.?

[Zhan]

Quote: tihonmarine

How many troubles fell on such a beautiful country.

I do not know what is beautiful there. But such visits, first to Russia, then to China, are quite a serious application. What will be our reaction and China? If the Taliban stop the war and begin to actively rebuild the country, I see nothing wrong with that. And judging by the rumors in the press, the Taliban are in serious disagreement with ISIS and its affiliates.

[URAL72]

such visits, first to Russia, then to China, are quite a serious application. "

I agree. It looks like the Taliban are not the same. Rethinked? Has the tip changed? After the death of Bin Laden, there are no other ideological competitors left, can we temper the ardor?

[Zhan]

I agree. It looks like the Taliban are not the same. Rethinked? Has the tip changed?

Well, if the top was changed, I think we would already know about it. But the fact that they have rethought, or achieved their goal and need to consolidate their success, is more similar. They were tired of the Yankees very much. There is something to compare.

[Denis812]

The Taliban need a respite to "master" the country.
They will look around and understand what to do next.
I strongly doubt the good intentions of these freaks.
On the other hand, no bandit movement could have survived the USSR, and then also the United States, as a whole for half a century without the massive support of the locals.
That is why the Taliban are the spokesmen for the ideas of a large part of the people.
Well, if so, then the most democratic would be to let them decide how to live, until "not a single speck of dust falls on the Russian embassy."
And as soon as it falls, it seems to me that you just need to burn everything out there, peace or non-peace - do not care.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: URAL72

The Taliban are no longer the same. Rethinked?

Yes, the students have already become graduate students and are already engaged in teaching activities ... they have become more cautious and cunning ...

Has the tip changed?

Well, since 1989, probably not a single dozen times, those who fought with the SA have already died of old age or have become decrepit old people ...

[URAL72]

Since 1989, they have not been freaky. I mean the period after the US invasion and the overthrow of the Taliban.

[Clear]

Better to let them go and negotiate than terrorist attacks, ambushes, hostages, drugs ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Clear

Better to let them go and negotiate than terrorist attacks, ambushes, hostages, drugs ...

Opium and Afghanistan are inseparable. What else can they trade?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Piramidon

Opium and Afghanistan are inseparable. What else can they trade?

There is also Afghan hemp, which is considered one of the best in the world.

[Cat]

terrorist attacks, ambushes, hostages, drugs

There will still be. They will agree, take a break, and undermine the resources of the entire country - and with renewed vigor.

[alystan]

In some ways, you are absolutely right!

[kventinasd]

It would be nice if the Taliban would recognize the United States and other small-bred people as terrorist countries.

[Alien From]

As they say, not a hat for Senka ...

[Ryaruav]

medieval fundamentalists cannot be normal from the word at all, when they take over the whole Afghan what will happen next? they do not have oil like the Saudis and others like them, the country will have the most severe Islamic reaction and progress can be forgotten

[tralflot1832]

I had the honor to work with the Afghan order bearer Alexei, he died saving a Spaniard in the Canary Islands, my blessed memory. And I still live for some reason. We were friends, we handed over the ships to each other.

[CommanderDIVA]

The Taliban are probing the views of Russia and China on the relationship between the parties after the final victory of the Taliban over the pro-American government of Afghanistan, and I personally have no doubt that they will win, they will establish control over the country's airports and that's it, American support for official Kabul will end, the situation resembles the departure of the Americans and their allies from South Vietnam in 1975, in my opinion, it is in the interests of the Taliban not to arrange the massacre of pro-American citizens of Afghanistan

[Baloo]

Quote: CommanderDIVA

The Taliban are probing the views of Russia and China on the subject of the relationship between the parties after the final victory of the Taliban over the pro-American government of Afghanistan

The Amerza made an agreement with the Taliban and they let the igils from Syria to the north of Afghanistan. So there is a multi-move here. the Americans have relied on a more significant partner.

[alystan]

Agree with your message, but not sure that only official Kabul is pro-American?
Remember all (of the same type with the Taliban) who were raised by the Western special services, coupled with the Persian monarchies (+ Pakistan)?

[Lara Croft]

Somehow on the forum ... for two hours the article has been posted on VO, and none of the members of the forum have poured tons of dirt on the PRC, for cooperation with a prohibited movement, I remember a month ago when the Taliban came to Moscow to my country so many things poured out ... but apparently everything is so arranged here that the Russian Federation cannot be allowed to the PRC ...

[Yura]

Quote: Lara Croft

when the Taliban came to Moscow, so many things poured out on my country ... but apparently everything is so arranged here that the Russian Federation cannot be allowed to the PRC ...

The article came out late, they are tired, tomorrow they will start with renewed vigor, for them an article on any topic whether it concerns Russia or not is a reason to throw dirt on their country.

[Alien From]

The other day Skomorokhov wrote an article, read it, he can get through to you ...

[Hypertension]

Against this background, more and more areas are being transferred to the control of the Taliban * in Afghanistan.

And in December 2001, Time magazine came out with the following cover:

The Last Days of the Taliban *

[alystan]

It was they who prepared the world community for the idea that Uncle Sam was going to war!

[Hypertension]

Yes, that's understandable. It just came out ironic. And Uncle Sam was embarrassed.

[cat hippopotamus]

It seems that the Taliban are for a long time and seriously, it is clear that they are led by progmatic politicians and this is not the student movement of radical fans in the past.

[iouris]

It seems to me that the States have created a lot of Talibans over all these years: for China, for Pakistan, for Iran, and personally for Lavrov ... In theological disputes between various Taliban, it happens that very subtle differences are revealed, which then lead to antagonistic contradictions ... This is Afghanistan, not England - you need to dig deeper.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: iouris

It seems to me that the States have created a lot of Talibans over all these years: for China, for Pakistan, for Iran and personally for Lavrov ..

And what have the United States and the Taliban to do with it?
The Taliban is a Pakistani intelligence project to take control of a neighboring country. The USA created "old dushmans" for Afgan - Hekmatyar, Rabbani and others. The Taliban carried them out.
Incidentally, it is strange that the Taliban did not immediately turn to China, Pakistan's closest and main ally.

[alystan]

The mentioned Pakistan also took part in the creation of the Taliban!

[Cat]

And that it is not heard anything about our Marshal Dostum? Has he finally become a Turkish pensioner or are there more berries in his buttocks?

[iouris]

Look for Turkish retirees in Russia.

[tolmachiev51]

"The Reds will come, they will be robbed. The whites will come, they will be robbed" !!! They can let them figure out their own country, for half a century each imposed his own ideology, regardless of the mentality of the population.

[riwas]

The Taliban must be more careful. Hitler also concluded peace treaties with many before the war.

[iouris]

We had our own Najibullah. We betrayed him. Who do you order to deal with in Afghanistan, except for the "banned in the Russian Federation" Taliban? Perhaps with Erdogan, who has not yet been banned.
Or maybe we are at war with ourselves? We are implementing the plans developed by the Brzezinski family.