Antonov-Ovseenko is the first of the top three. At the head of the People's Commissariat for Military Affairs

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The son of an officer, a professional revolutionary


Historians are still arguing over who was the first to propose to call the "Red" revolutionary army, which was supposed to replace the imperial army in Russia, which never became a republican one. This name literally suggested itself, since red became a real symbol of the revolution.

The basis, or rather, the small backbone of the new armed forces, was to be made up of the Red Guard, which was born in the days of the first Russian revolution. The Bolsheviks had no doubt that the new army also needed an absolutely new leadership.



The change of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief was imminent, and the War Ministry was immediately transformed into the People's Commissariat. It cannot be said that the personnel issue was really acute, but it was decided to put a collegium of three people at the head of the military department.

First, the collegium was called the Committee, and then the Council of People's Commissars for Military and Naval Affairs. It included active participants in the October coup, who even before that had managed to prove themselves as experts in military affairs - Vladimir Antonov-Ovseenko, Pavel Dybenko and Nikolai Krylenko.

The first of them is Vladimir Aleksandrovich Antonov-Ovseenko, a native of Chernigov, the son of an officer, who broke up with his parents early. Ovseenko became widely known as a cadet who renounced the oath in connection with "an organic disgust for the military," in his own words.

Fate still made him a military man, not quite ordinary, but for quite a long time.

Vladimir Ovseenko, better known by his double surname, was called Shtyk or Nikita by his fellow revolutionaries, and at the age of 19 he was campaigning at an infantry school in St. Petersburg, but openly did not want to become an officer.

However, I had to. In 1904, he finished his studies and, with the rank of second lieutenant, departed for Warsaw - in the 40th Kolyvan Infantry Regiment. Most likely, he still had to take the oath, otherwise how did he get the officer's rank?

In Russian Poland, Ovseenko continued his revolutionary work and even tried to organize a military committee of the RSDLP in Warsaw. How successful - historians, again, are still arguing. More importantly, already in 1905, the young revolutionary was considered an expert in military affairs.

Already in his youth, he was a staunch Social Democrat, one of those revolutionaries who are usually called professional. However, he joined the Bolshevik Party, for which the break with the Mensheviks was in many ways decisive, only in 1917, when he was 34 years old.

The most suitable age for great accomplishments, and it is no coincidence that Vladimir Ovseenko had already taken the pseudonym Antonov by that time.

Deserter and illegal


The first Russian revolution found Second Lieutenant Ovseenko at a time when he deserted immediately after being assigned to the Far East to fight the Japanese. He went into an illegal position and immediately went back to Poland, only this time to its Austrian part.

In Krakow and Lvov, Vladimir Ovseenko became close to Felix Dzerzhinsky, and from there they tried to organize an uprising of two Russian regiments and an artillery brigade stationed very close - in Novo-Alexandria. The leaders made their way into Russian Poland, but the uprising failed.

The participants were arrested, but Ovseenko fled from the Warsaw prison, returning to Austria-Hungary. From there, in May 1905, he moved to St. Petersburg, became a member of the RSDLP committee there and actively agitated soldiers and officers against the war and the tsarist regime.

Antonov-Ovseenko is the first of the top three. At the head of the People's Commissariat for Military Affairs

He was captured in Kronstadt, but, having named someone else's last name, Ovseenko managed to avoid a court-martial, and was released under an amnesty in connection with the Manifesto of October 17. When the revolution began to decline, he, already having a double surname, moved through Moscow to the south of Russia, tried to organize an uprising in Sevastopol and was again arrested.

The death sentence for Antonov-Ovseenko was replaced by 20 years of hard labor. But he managed to escape again, together with about fifteen comrades. He was hiding in Finland, worked underground in both capitals of the empire, was arrested again, but none of the witnesses identified him.

Before the World War, Antonov-Ovseenko was already in France and there he joined the Mezhraiontsy, became friends with Trotsky and Martov, editing their newspaper Nashe Slovo (Golos). He wrote himself, and a lot, and not only in Nashe Slovo - under the pseudonym A. Galsky.

In the same place, in "Golos", he conducted a military survey, often making absolutely accurate predictions, and strengthened his reputation as a military expert. By the February revolution, Vladimir Antonov-Ovseenko was already in the party elite of the RSDLP, although not yet as a member of the Central Committee. But he finally joined the Bolsheviks only in June 1917, when he was already able to return to Russia.

Someone Ovseenko, nicknamed Antonov


Antonov-Ovseenko was introduced to the Military Organization under the Central Committee of the RSDLP (b), and he was sent to Helsingfors to campaign for navy... Several times he spoke at the June All-Russian conference of front and rear organizations of the RSDLP (b), and then participated in the preparation of the unsuccessful July performance of the Bolsheviks.

He was arrested at Kresty and was released on bail only in September, which is why he did not take part in the fight against Kornilov. However, Tsentrobalt immediately appointed Antonov-Ovseenko as commissar under the governor-general of Finland. After being elected to the Petrograd Military Revolutionary Committee, he immediately announced that the Petrograd garrison was in favor of transferring power to the Soviets.

Antonov-Ovseenko entered the Field Headquarters of the Military Revolutionary Committee and, together with N. Podvoisky and G. Chudnovsky, prepared the capture of the Winter Palace. The plan was flawless, but by and large there was almost no one to defend the palace. Only young cadets and women, albeit a shock battalion, could act against the Red Guards, soldiers and sailors.


In fact, he personally led the storming of the Winter Palace, which resulted in the arrest of members of the Provisional Government. In his once famous book, The Ten Days That Shook the World, John Reid wrote about him:

"In one of the rooms on the upper floor sat a thin-faced, long-haired man, a mathematician and chess player, once an officer in the tsarist army, and then a revolutionary and an exile, a certain Ovseenko, nicknamed Antonov."

He, Antonov-Ovseenko, reported to the delegates of the II Congress of Soviets in Smolny about this, as well as about the conclusion of the ministers in the Peter and Paul Fortress. Immediately at the congress, Antonov-Ovseenko was elected to the Committee on Military and Naval Affairs under the Council of People's Commissars. Together with N. Krylenko and P. Dybenko.

The triumvirate worked at the head of the military department for a very short time - from October 27 to November 23, when it was decided to appoint Nikolai Podvoisky as the people's commissar for military and naval affairs. In the October days, he was listed as a deputy, but in fact he chaired the Petrograd Military Revolutionary Committee.

They hardly write about this, but the official chairman of the All-Russian Revolutionary Committee - Socialist-Revolutionary Pavel Lazimir, young (he was only 27 years old) and not the most decisive, the Bolsheviks Trotsky, Antonov-Ovseenko and Podvoisky crushed so that he only had to put signatures on the decisions made.

Revolution devours its children


The further life and career of Antonov-Ovseenko is literally full of events.

He smashed Kerensky and Krasnov, the cadets, whom he even took hostages, then headed the Petrograd military district instead of the Socialist-Revolutionary Muravyov.

He had to deal with Kaledin's Cossacks and the newly-minted Ukrainian army of the Central Rada, command the fronts and all the troops of the South of Russia, and even the entire Soviet Ukraine. To fight with Denikin and suppress, together with Tukhachevsky, a peasant uprising in the Tambov province.

It is believed that it was on his order that General Rennenkampf (pictured) was shot, who is better known as the loser of the East Prussian operation of 1914 than as a punisher during the days of the first Russian revolution.


At the economic work, Antonov-Ovseenko showed himself not so brightly, and from about 1922 he was in opposition, and he actively opposed Stalin's autocracy. This he wrote to the Politburo that

"If Trotsky is touched, then the entire Red Army will stand up to defend the Soviet Karnot" and that the army will be able to "call to order the presumptuous leaders."

Didn't get up and didn’t call.

Vladimir Antonov-Ovseenko himself was not subjected to obstruction, but was transferred to diplomatic work for a long time. He left a vivid and not entirely good memory of himself in Spain, where during the civil war he was consul general in Barcelona, ​​and in fact - almost the main military and political adviser to the Republicans.


Antonov-Ovseenko, thin. Y. Annenkov

The legendary prime minister, a socialist to the core, Juan Negrin called Antonov-Ovseenko "a greater Catalan than the Catalans themselves." But it is the Soviet diplomat, of course, together with the NKVD, who is accused of organizing the assassinations of the communist, the leader of the POUM Andres Nin, and the anarchist philosopher Camillo Berneri.

When the USSR was covered by a wave of repressions, he - the implacable enemy of Stalin, was recalled from Spain - he was supposed to replace Nikolai Krylenko as People's Commissar of Justice. He, let me remind you, was also a member of the Committee of Three, which headed the Ministry of War in the fall of 1917, but in 1937 he fell under repression earlier.

Almost immediately upon his arrival in his homeland, Antonov-Ovseenko only managed to talk with the director S. Vasiliev, who was helping the director of the film "Lenin in October" Mikhail Romm. He was soon arrested. And already in February 1938 he was convicted and shot.
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  1. +20
    31 July 2021 05: 49
    The first leaders of the Soviet power were extremely energetic, they managed to create and organize the Red Army in everything and to fight against the Entente and various groups of counter-revolution ... everything was on fire and, most importantly, they achieved success ... that is what the motivation of the fiery revolutionaries means.

    Feel free to go to battle
    for the power of Soviets and
    as one we will die fighting for it.

    You look at modern communists ... Lord, one parody of the Bolsheviks.
    1. -4
      31 July 2021 07: 27
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      this is what the motivation of fiery revolutionaries is.

      Feel free to go to battle
      for the power of Soviets and
      as one we will die
      in the fight for it.

      small remark: according to sentences of the VK Supreme Court of the USSR Antonov, Krylenko and DYbenko (mentioned in the article, the flaming first military commissars of the VOR) died for the power of the United States, Germany and England. . Yes
      1. +12
        31 July 2021 07: 33
        The revolution devoured its children ... just like the French revolution ... romantics make it and the fruits are used by scoundrels and scoundrels.
        1. -2
          31 July 2021 07: 46
          Stalin shot these professional Bolshevik revolutionaries for a reason. There is no other way with them ...
          In general, Stalin interrupted his former colleagues quite well in the 30s, which is, in principle, normal among politicians, there was not much benefit from them, there are 2 people with higher education, the rest are "professional revolutionaries", in fact, it is not a pity, especially if you remember that the same Dybenko took a leading role in the murders of naval officers in the Baltic during the period of hostilities with the Germans, and Krylenko was the Chief Commander of the Verkhovna Rada in 1917 completely destroyed the front, and he was the Prosecutor General of the USSR at one time ...
          the rest, too, were probably rare bastards, like all the "old Bolsheviks"
          1. +11
            31 July 2021 08: 18
            The grimace of fate ... the officers' gunmen were shot by other gunmen, and then the next came and shot these gunmen ...
            Mdaaaa what how easy it is to wave this tool (firing squad) ... hard to stop.
            1. +2
              31 July 2021 22: 38
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              the officers' gunmen were shot by other gunmen,

              professional revolutionaries are specialists in undermining the state system. If a person has been underground for many years, in a secret and overt war, will he be able to rebuild?
              What if the result of the revolution did not suit him? Besides, with whose money did they make the revolution? Was there really no foreign spies and money for sabotage in the Soviet Union?
              1. 0
                15 March 2023 14: 21
                Quote: aybolyt678
                revolutionaries are specialists in undermining the state system


                That's right!
                Quote: aybolyt678
                Whose money was used to make the revolution?


                Of course, with the money of impudent Saxon bankers, masons and other globalist evil spirits
            2. +3
              1 August 2021 21: 07
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              The grimace of fate ... the officers' gunmen were shot by other gunmen, and then the next came and shot these gunmen ...

              When the nobles and merchants were shot
              and all those who worked with brains
              so many other fellows came
              wanting not to be fools.

              When they shot and those fellows,
              that they became fathers to the people
              so many other scoundrels came
              who wanted to serve as scoundrels.

              When the scoundrels were also shot,
              calling their people enemies
              so many other daredevils came
              who didn’t want to be dunduks.

              When they shot those daredevils,
              who became thieves,
              the choirs of the sages sang everywhere:
              only Stalin is to blame!
              © A. Dolsky
          2. +1
            16 September 2021 17: 11
            This two-family executioner, Trotsky's "falcon" and Tukhach's friend,
            1. 0
              16 September 2021 17: 17
              Quote: vlad106
              Trotsky and Tukhach's friend

              Stalin eliminated all of them for a reason.
        2. +9
          31 July 2021 10: 30
          Old Danton was right. But neither Dybenko nor Krylenko and Antonov Ovseenko look like children.
        3. 0
          6 August 2021 13: 52
          Afseenko is still that executioner of the Russian people. Trotsky-Bronstein Falcon
      2. +5
        31 July 2021 10: 23
        Olgovich, don't you mind that Krylenko and Dybenko deserve their bullet?
        The wording? But sorry then it was so accepted. Always and everywhere on the "scapegoat" they cling to more sins
        1. 0
          15 March 2023 14: 25
          Quote: vladcub
          do not mind that Krylenko, that Dybenko deserved their bullet?


          And the wings, and the dybenka, and the Antonoff-Avseenka, together with the Executioner Trotsky, shed rivers of blood of the Russian people!
          Therefore, Stalin is the wisest man! Sent the enemies of the Russian people to the right place
      3. +1
        5 August 2021 20: 01
        Sorry for the belated comment. Their Bolsheviks cannot be penetrated by this, because if the party needs black to be white, they will, looking at the white ceiling, assert that it is black in the "blue" eye. Sorry for the exaggeration, but it is so. I just can't understand. All the heroes of the Bolsheviks of the first years of the revolution were in fact spies and enemies of the people. After all, their own court decided so. So I don’t understand - today's Bolsheviks doubt the honesty of the courts of the times of the "Father of All Nations" if rabid spies, enemies of the Soviet people are put on a pedestal? Or, scary to think, was Stalin wrong? Well, what kind of schizophrenia is in their heads, well, who would explain.
        1. -1
          6 August 2021 10: 31
          Quote: Ezoterik
          Well, what kind of schizophrenia is in their heads, well, who would explain.


          this is an unanswered question by anyone ...

          Another unanswered: where have all the millions of correct Leninists // gone to the Bolsheviks after 1953, and how did it happen that the despicable weaklings of the Trotskyists ... ducked them? belay recourse
        2. 0
          19 September 2021 00: 02
          Quote: Ezoterik
          I just can't understand. All the heroes of the Bolsheviks of the first years of the revolution were in fact spies and enemies of the people. After all, their own court decided so. So I don’t understand - today's Bolsheviks doubt

          It's just that you "turned" on the Bolsheviks. You have all-Bolsheviks, even their obvious opponents. "As-to-ko-so-immediately."
          Whoever came to power is a Bolshevik.

          ..... "Their court, their party ..." and the fact that in the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks all posts were elective meetings and congresses and even the posts of "party chairman" were not, directly speaks of the complete responsibility of millions of its members for all affairs party.

          Yes, only with whom you talk, it turns out that only Jews and "Bolsheviks" are responsible for the History of the VKPb / CPSU and the History of Russia. And the people of more than 100 million are only "present." I just can't understand ....... what rights in the country can a certain people have, who have never been responsible for anything, and in general, why should they?
          Whose responsibility is the owner! This is true.
    2. +1
      5 August 2021 20: 10
      Tolya is the case of Latsis, right?
      "We are not waging war against individuals. We are exterminating the bourgeoisie as a class. Do not look for materials and evidence from the investigation that the accused acted in deed or word against the Soviet regime. The first question we must ask him is what class he belongs to, what is his origin, upbringing, education or profession. These questions should determine the fate of the accused. "
      Nice, isn't it? And most importantly, communistically. Shoot, shoot, shoot. This is the whole essence of this teaching.
      1. 0
        6 August 2021 12: 55
        Nice, isn't it? And most importantly, communistically. Shoot, shoot, shoot. This is the whole essence of this teaching.

        What thoughts have led you to conclude that the quote you have quoted allows you to define the essence of communism?
      2. 0
        19 September 2021 00: 15
        Quote: Ezoterik
        And most importantly, communistically. Shoot, shoot, shoot. This is the whole essence of this teaching.

        Oh, how stupid and monsters they were! Didn't realize that you could just fire your job ... and how easy it is to create an industry, develop science and win the War ... you just need to shoot more and everything will be trampled by itself like leaps and bounds, so you get the second economy of the World ....

        And by the way, why "shoot" - then? To adopt such legislation in the country according to which even a big boss gets an apartment, a summer house and food orders from the district committee cafe? If you do not understand the specific reasons, and even draw conclusions at the child's level, this is your whole essence.
      3. +1
        15 March 2023 14: 43
        Quote: Ezoterik
        Lacis, huh?
        "We are not waging war against individuals. We are exterminating the bourgeoisie as a class. Do not look for materials and evidence from the investigation that the accused acted in deed or word against the Soviet regime. The first question we must ask him is what class he belongs to, what is his origin, upbringing, education or profession. These questions should determine the fate of the accused. "
        Wonderful, right? And most importantly, communist. Shoot, shoot, shoot.


        Here are the Latsis, Peters, Berzins, Krylenki, Dybenki, Antonov-Avsienki, Tukhachefsky, Rosa Zalkinda-Zemlyachka, Bela Kuna, Sofa Gerbrer, Yankeli Blumkina, Fruma Khaikin ... under the guidance of Trotsky-Bronstein sent by the Anglo-Saxons, with the help of Sverdlov and more tens of thousands of assistants from among the "sons of pharmacists and watchmakers" were exterminated by tens of millions of the Russian people!
        These same ones destroyed the USSR in 91, shot down the parliament in 93... Well, how the icing on the cake is now destroying our people in the Donbass.
        Invented so-called Ukrainian "mova"
        it is also a product of Anglo-Saxons and Masons
  2. +6
    31 July 2021 06: 00
    Thank you Alexey!
    Still, historical materials are more interesting than any current rubbish about brothers and sisters. Little was known about Antonov-Ovseenko. Only a few sentences from "History of the USSR" yes this:

    hi
  3. +15
    31 July 2021 06: 21
    In fact, he personally led the storming of the Winter Palace, which resulted in the arrest of members of the Provisional Government.
    At 21:21, after the arrival of significant reinforcements from Kronstadt, the first assault on the palace began. It was led by Vladimir Antonov-Ovseenko. However, the few guards of the palace, moreover, largely consisted of women and disabled people, stubbornly resisted. The assaults were forced to retreat without stopping the gunfire. At 40:40, by order of the commissar Alexander Belyshev, the sailor Evdokim Ognev fired a blank shot from the cannon of the cruiser Aurora that had entered the Neva, which would later be announced as a signal for an assault. However, as we know, by that time the storming of the Winter Palace had already lasted 1917 minutes, so it is more likely that the shot was fired to intimidate the besieged. It is interesting that the decisive assault was commanded by the former Tsarist Lieutenant Colonel, who joined the Bolsheviks in May 10, Mikhail Svechnikov. like by storm ... After one in the morning, a small armed group (12-2 people) led by Antonov-Ovseenko entered through the only unlocked and unguarded entrance to Zimny ​​from the side of Palace Square, which led to the Empress's chambers. the doors, which were unlocked, scattered through the corridors and rooms. The few detachments of cadets that met, surrendered without a fight. Antonov-Ovseenko and his comrades climbed a small narrow staircase to the second floor and, naturally, got lost in many completely dark rooms. At about two o'clock in the morning, hearing someone's voices, they went out to the Malachite drawing room and found themselves right in front of the door of the Small dining room, where the ministers of the Provisional Government sat. At 10:XNUMX a.m., the ministers of the Provisional Government who were in the palace were arrested and transported to the Peter and Paul Fortress. This is how one of the arrested ministers, Semyon Maslov, spoke about it three days after the capture of Zimny:
    “Antonov declared everyone arrested in the name of the revolutionary committee and began to rewrite those present. The first to sign up was min. Konovalov, then Kishkin and others. They asked about Kerensky, but he was not in the palace ...
    ... They began to separate the Trubetskoy Bastion into the chambers, each one alone. I was put in cell No. 39, and Kartashev was put next to me. The room is damp and cold. So we spent the night ...
    The day passed without incident ... At three o'clock in the morning I was awakened by several military men who entered the cell. They announced to me that by the decree of the 2nd Congress of Soviets, Salazkin and I were released under house arrest ... "
    1. +10
      31 July 2021 07: 46
      At first, the Bolsheviks were humane ... they did not shoot anyone.
      1. 0
        19 September 2021 00: 38
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        At first, the Bolsheviks were smart ... they did not shoot anyone.

        Yes, until their leader Lenin himself was shot on August 30, 1918 Do you think there have been few shootings over the past 30 years? Oh yes ! In our country, according to the Law, no one is shot at all ...... only some "suddenly" die themselves, and the number of people has been steadily decreasing for decades in peacetime by hundreds of thousands every year ..... well, no!

        The Bolsheviks did not have such a law to shoot without guilt, and to release the guilty ... however, I’ve already explained to you that if society doesn’t care what the law is, since it will not be fulfilled all the same, then there’s no difference - a crime was committed against the government and the state or the government itself ... the difference does not begin until the people learn to understand, that a crime is a violation of the Law
  4. -5
    31 July 2021 07: 17
    Council of People's Commissars for Military and Naval Affairs. It included active participants in the October coup, who even before that had managed to prove themselves as experts in military affairs - Vladimir Antonov-Ovseenko, Pavel Dybenko and Nikolai Krylenko.

    Yeah, "cool" lol specialists: coward Antonov was running , deserted from the military echelon, which was going to the front, abandoning the soldiers entrusted to him, Krylenko was hiding from the front in the infirmary with an invented LOBE eczema for fear, and Dybenko was so scared of the Germans in 1918 that he was caught already in ... Samara (after an internship this a red general in Germany there they gave him a short but comprehensive description - a complete turk).

    Antonov, according to the verdict of the VK Supreme Court of the USSR, was a traitor, a spy and a terrorist, Dybenko was a traitor, a spy, a terrorist, an alcoholic and a lecher, Krylenko was a traitor, a spy, a terrorist. Moreover, it was established that they started the fight against the party. more .... BEFORE THE THIEF. Yes Such are the red heroes, yes ...

    Then all three were rehabilitated.

    Whom I am sincerely sorry for is the flock of Bolsheviks: they warmly approve of these thieves too, and their destruction, and absolutely ... not against today's naming of the streets in their honor: HOW should they wedge! Or there is nothing to wedge? ... belay lol
    1. +9
      31 July 2021 07: 50
      Of course, Kerensky's government was not an angel either ...
      the personalities of the USSR Armed Forces were much worse than Antonov-Ovseenko.
      Everyone knows how the bone breakers Yagoda and Yezhov beat out testimony from the old Bolsheviks.
      I wonder what they were thinking at the last moment of their lives in the execution cellars and training grounds? what
    2. +2
      31 July 2021 17: 35
      Quote: Olgovich
      Yes, "cool" lol specialists: the coward Antonov fled, deserted from the military echelon, which was marching to the front, leaving the soldiers entrusted to him, Krylenko was hiding from the front in the infirmary with a frontal eczema invented from fear, and Dybenko was so scared of the Germans in 1918 that he was caught already in ... Samara (after the internship of this red general in Germany, they gave him a short but comprehensive description - a complete tour).
      And, nevertheless, the efforts of even such people were enough to create an army that dispersed all the armies and gangs of crystal bakers.
      1. 0
        2 August 2021 07: 30
        Quote: bk0010
        efforts of even such people were enough to create

        Yes?
        And where is the "created"?
        Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo lol
        1. -2
          2 August 2021 20: 38
          Quote: Olgovich
          And where is the "created"?
          In the same place as the Russian Empire and the gang of crystal bakers.
          1. 0
            3 August 2021 08: 02
            Quote: bk0010
            In the same place as the Russian Empire and the gang of crystal bakers.

            Look at the flag of imperial RUSSIA over the Kremlin! Yes

            And yesterday's suede lovers of the crunching jaws of queens are gone forever, yes!Yes
            1. -2
              3 August 2021 20: 37
              Quote: Olgovich
              Look at the flag of imperial RUSSIA over the Kremlin!
              Hmmm .. Historian ... This is the flag of the merchant fleet.
              1. -1
                4 August 2021 09: 18
                Quote: bk0010
                Hmmm .. Historian ... This is the flag of the merchant fleet.

                Yes, ignorant, it is State Flag of RUSSIA was and IS !!
                1. -1
                  4 August 2021 20: 39
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Yes, ignoramus, this is the State Flag of RUSSIA was and IS !!
                  Congratulations, you lied! What a wretched twist!
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  On the Flag of Imperial RUSSIA over the Kremlin-look
                  So, the imperial flag of Russia is black-yellow-white, with a two-headed eagle.
                  1. -2
                    5 August 2021 11: 11
                    Quote: bk0010
                    So, the imperial flag of Russia is black-yellow-white, with a two-headed eagle.

                    Well, Lavrov lol , it will help you to understand the essence of your delusions.
                    1. 0
                      5 August 2021 20: 23
                      Quote: Olgovich

                      Well, Lavrov lol, it will help you in understanding the essence of your delusions.
                      Hmm, but it seems like no one will help you ...
  5. +1
    31 July 2021 07: 29
    Antonov Ovseenko is a man of bright destiny. It was people who made revolutions.
    He, unlike Dybenko, was an ideological revolutionary. He had no dubious "feats" in the Civil War.
    Perhaps I'm naive, but I like Antonov Ovseenko more than: Dybenko, Peters or Raskolnikov
    1. -6
      31 July 2021 08: 11
      Quote: Astra wild2
      Perhaps I'm naive, but I like Antonov Ovseenko better

      it is "an officer who abandoned the entrusted soldiers and fled from a military echelon that was going to the front of the fight against an external aggressor.

      It is difficult to imagine any more ABOMINATION. Such girls were always destroyed in disgrace by everyone.
      1. +3
        31 July 2021 11: 32
        Colleagues, hello.
        Andrei "Olgovich", in fact, it is somewhat difficult with regard to the aggressor in the RYA: Manzhuria was not part of the empire, and Port Arthur and Port Dalny were not Gelsengfors or Odessa. So an external aggressor does not fit here
        1. 0
          2 August 2021 07: 10
          Quote: Astra wild2
          Andrey "Olgovich", in general, it is somewhat difficult about the aggressor in the RYA: Manzhuria was not part of the empire

          it was LEGALLY rented from Russia, i.e. she is her for a time, which the aggressor attacked.

          And yes, according to your logic, any Russian ship can be safely sunk, this is not aggression
      2. +9
        31 July 2021 13: 55
        Why is it difficult, you can remember your idols - krasnova, skin and others like them ... That's where the real abomination is!
        1. -3
          2 August 2021 07: 14
          Quote: Kayala
          Why is it difficult, you can remember your idols - krasnova, skin and others like them ... That's where the real abomination is!

          you better remember your communist Vlasov and a million more conscientious citizens who fought for Adolf.

          And dezrtorov-officers-always and at all times destroyed and despised, like dogs, in the same ussr.
      3. +7
        31 July 2021 14: 00
        You, as a person who took the oath of allegiance to the USSR, constantly screw up that country
        Quote: Olgovich
        It is difficult to imagine any more ABOMINATION.
        1. +3
          31 July 2021 17: 25
          I’m wondering, over the past few years, Olgovich has been steadily gaining a minus in his comments, and his rating is still growing, how is this so? Despite the fact that the ever-memorable carbine in all its guises was literally kicked out by the team in a week)
          It's all strange somehow ... bully
          1. +3
            31 July 2021 17: 51
            Quote: Alex Koch
            It's strange somehow all this


            No, such personnel must be protected (well, it will be boring without them). And so a demagogue (this is a category of people. Which always convinces that a hanging x ... is better than a standing one), a monarchist-liberal (an Anglophile and an adherent of Western ideals), a brilliant manipulator of facts. Well, even his stupid arguments cause applause and delight - "Well it should be like this ...., not everyone will be able to carry this in their sanity and sober memory."
            Although in Moldova (and he is from there) the wine is pickled (and if it is still infused with carbide), then everything is understandable. Well, you have to be condescending. Not everyone was lucky.
            1. +1
              31 July 2021 17: 57
              Quote: chenia
              in Moldova (and he is from there) wine

              There were, we know)
          2. +3
            31 July 2021 18: 34
            I’m wondering what Ol'govich is tearing up for crushers? My ancestors were kulaks and merchants, they took ordinary peasants as wives, there were quarrels in families about this. And only the Soviet government gave a lot for a normal, not class life (yes, some were repressed, by their own). Sorry, I was distracted, and Olgovich was probably now flogged at the stable, for a long tongue). And the devil knows who of him would have turned out, if not for the hated Scoop.
            1. +4
              31 July 2021 19: 01
              At the end of the XNUMXs, I conducted a social experiment for one job, a kind of "ultra-patriotic community" was organized in my classmates, which engaged in a network of flame on the topic of inciting ethnic hatred and the propaganda of nationalist ideas.
              So, about a month later it turned out that the brightest activists also have Jewish roots, and relatives suffered during the war and were subjected to repressions. We attributed this to youthful maximalism and non-conformism, we made reports, the group was shut down and forgotten. But it really seems to me that the point here is completely different.
          3. -2
            31 July 2021 22: 51
            Quote: Alex Koch
            I’m wondering, over the past few years, Olgovich has been steadily gaining a minus in his comments, and his rating is growing, ..... It's strange somehow all this ... bully
            hi I disagree with you. Maybe a year ago, or a little more, Olgovich's rank was higher. Then suddenly it changed a lot. Well, and then it began to grow gradually. In my opinion, this is true. The number of crushers began to increase.
        2. -2
          2 August 2021 07: 16
          Quote: chenia
          You, as a person who took the oath of allegiance to the USSR, constantly screw up that country

          shit more than she cheated herself so-called "owls power" failed to anyone.

          And do not confuse my country with this anti-people power - the people NEVER elected it.
      4. +8
        31 July 2021 17: 39
        Quote: Olgovich
        It’s hard to imagine a greater abomination
        Is it difficult for you? So I will help: check out the surrender of Port Arthur or Nebogatov's ships. I'm not even talking about the shameful surrender of the Novogeorgievskaya fortress by the noble tsarist generals. Much more vile pages of history than the drape of one officer on his territory (not in battle).
        1. -2
          2 August 2021 07: 19
          Quote: bk0010
          Is it difficult for you? This is how I will help:

          the desertion of an officer is in no way prejudiced.
          1. -2
            2 August 2021 20: 39
            Quote: Olgovich
            the desertion of an officer is in no way prejudiced.
            That is, for you, treason is better than desertion? But...
            1. 0
              3 August 2021 08: 03
              Quote: bk0010
              That is, for you, treason is better than desertion? But.

              Antonov's seedlings were deserters in Russia and foreign spies, traitors in the USSR, see the COURT's decision, yes!
              1. -2
                3 August 2021 20: 39
                Quote: Olgovich
                Antonov's seedlings were deserters in Russia and foreign spies, traitors in the USSR, see the COURT's decision, yes!
                Do not shy away from the answer: is treason better for you than desertion?
                1. 0
                  4 August 2021 09: 20
                  Quote: bk0010
                  Do not shy away from the answer: is treason better for you than desertion?

                  and this and that is disgusting, but in the varieties, figure it out yourself
      5. +3
        1 August 2021 21: 11
        Quote: Olgovich
        it is "an officer who abandoned the entrusted soldiers and fled from a military echelon that was going to the front of the fight against an external aggressor.

        It is difficult to imagine any more ABOMINATION.

        Easy - conspiracy and overthrow of the current government during the World War. Then, pomnitsa, all the generals, with a few exceptions, spoke in favor of abdication.
        1. -2
          2 August 2021 07: 25
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Easy - conspiracy and overthrow of the current government during the World War.

          submit the documents of the "conspiracy", the composition of the conspirators, their meetings, when they took place, what was adopted, and so on.

          Milyukov should not offer a chatterbox.
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Then, pomnitsa, all the generals, with a few exceptions, spoke in favor of abdication.

          AFTER the revolution that took place ALREADY.

          And yes, 6 a deserter, an officer is always an outcast and a scoundrel and nothing can surpass it
    2. +1
      31 July 2021 08: 46
      I always read with interest articles about those who were at the beginning of the Russian revolutions. Sometimes I watch stories on the net. However, it turns out that I have not yet fully studied and memorized all the biographies.
      I liked the article very much, many thanks to the Author.
      1. +4
        31 July 2021 10: 28
        Dmitry, Wiki says more laughing
        1. +2
          31 July 2021 11: 14
          laughing hi and who would read it, this wiki? Who would point a finger and write the last name?
          Do you understand that drinks Alexey, I went to first grade in 1992. I don’t remember these revolutionary surnames, what they said, until a certain time --- I was not interested in this.
          After all, the surname Antonov-Ovseenko for me is the street where five-storey buildings with two-sided two-room apartments were built. Podvoisky street --- blocky large-panel 70s, and so on Dybenko, Krylenko, Kolontai, Chudnovsky .... Always there are problems about what, you know. Although that market has long been gone.
          I can't remember all the revolutionaries and their biographies, even if you crack fool Although the topic of the post-revolutionary period is very interesting. First of all, the Civil War, industrialization, construction ...
          1. +4
            31 July 2021 21: 52
            Quote: Reptiloid
            After all, the surname Antonov-Ovseenko is a street for me, g

            Quote: Reptiloid
            Podvoisky street--

            Quote: Reptiloid
            Dybenko, Krylenko, Kolontai, Chudnovsky.

            This is the problem - after 100 years, they have not decided where are the friends, where are the enemies ...
            If they were shot CORRECTLY - then they should not be in the form of streets and monuments.
            If they were shot NOT correctly, then this indicates a lack of control over the NKVD, complete absence or miscalculations of specific individuals ...
            1. +1
              31 July 2021 22: 23
              New buildings of the Nevsky District, both brick and block, began to appear in the early-mid 60s of the last century. Plans, projects, street names ---- under Khrushchev. This is how these streets with revolutionary names united by revolutionary themes appeared - Bolsheviks Avenue, Tovarishchesky Avenue, Narodnaya Street, Oktyabrskaya Embankment ...... Construction continued throughout the 20th century, and continues to this day. I don’t know how the new settlers used to think about surnames. Now no one thinks or says anything about those revolutionaries
              1. +3
                1 August 2021 22: 49
                Quote: Reptiloid
                I don’t know how the new settlers used to feel about surnames.

                In urban folklore, this area is called the "Area of ​​the Murdered".
                And nearby, on Rzhevka, was the "District of four fools" - Mentors, Peredoviks, Udarnikov and Enthusiasts (the names of the avenues).
                1. -1
                  2 August 2021 05: 12
                  ....... The area of ​​the slain .....
                  Abaldet! I have not heard this! Probably, it was at the very beginning of construction? When did people know more about that post-revolutionary time?
                  I know that earlier, the present Narodnaya Street was called Rybatsky Prospect. And even earlier, from the 19th century, in the middle, on this place there was a huge dump and all sorts of lumpen lived there according to their own laws. In general, the present Nevsky District joined the city immediately after the revolution. The Nevsky District was created from a part of the Shlisselburgsky District of the Oblast and the Obukhovsky District. Obukhovsky plant, railway ... Until 1917 there were revolutionary traditions, revolutionary circles, even Krupskaya taught classes among workers in a school for workers.
                  1. 0
                    2 August 2021 07: 05
                    This school for workers (several floors) was built by the owner of the factory for adult workers to learn. There they created revolutionary circles and revolutionary classes were led by Krupskaya!
    3. +15
      31 July 2021 09: 28
      "Antonov Ovseenko is a man of bright destiny." (Your C)

      Reinhard Heydrich was also a man of "bright destiny", but if the Czechs had not spanked him in 42, then at the end of the war he would have been hanged as a war criminal. request
      1. +3
        31 July 2021 11: 45
        Konstantin, in your opinion, Antonov Ovseenko should have been sent to Nyurinbeg?
        I know little of Heydrich, like most, and I wonder: why did you compare such different people?
        1. +7
          31 July 2021 12: 32
          Why are they different? Both "from rags to riches", both cynics and both executioners-bloodsuckers, though Heydrich was not a deserter, rather the opposite. laughing
          Why should Ovseenko be sent to Nuremberg? A wall was found for him and at the Lubyanka.
  6. +13
    31 July 2021 08: 37
    Stalin, himself being a Baku "godfather" in his youth, understood perfectly what kind of people his comrades-in-arms were, their ambitions and irrepressible energy that could destroy the country.
    And therefore, the utilization of Trotsky and other comrades can be considered preparation for a big war, in which no one doubted much. And it was impossible to enter it with a split top.
    Therefore, Stalin's victory over rivals was the best option for the country, all the rest would be immeasurably worse.
    So, it is only in the context of his time that one can consider the figure of Stalin, his actions and mistakes, and not from the current liberal-fascist "afterthought."
    1. +1
      31 July 2021 21: 54
      Quote: faterdom
      And therefore, the utilization of Trotsky and other comrades can be considered preparation for a big war, in which no one really doubted

      The trouble is that at the time of the BEGINNING of utilization - Hitler was no one to call
  7. +6
    31 July 2021 08: 43
    It is believed that it was on his order that General Rennenkampf (pictured) was shot, who is better known as the loser of the East Prussian operation of 1914 than as a punisher during the days of the first Russian revolution.
    Oh how smile the expedition of General P. K. Rennenkampf played a decisive role in suppressing the uprising in the Chita - "Chita Republic", but they don't write about it. And this is how a simple article came out from the author, about a rather difficult person like Antonov-Ovseenko
    1. +3
      31 July 2021 11: 16
      Lesha, greetings. I got the impression that the author decided to please everyone: he is a Trotskyist, he and a Trotskyist "soaked" he and an angel and a demon
      1. +4
        31 July 2021 11: 20
        the author decided to please everyone
        To all sisters on an earring smile
        1. +2
          31 July 2021 13: 00
          Exactly. Hence the passage: "better known as a loser of the East Prussian operation", and then you can say: "Ranenkamph actually did nothing wrong. That Samsonov shot himself? He did not force him. It was his deserter Ovseenko who shot him. Probably out of envy: General and a bunch of orders. " Quite for one of the Samsonovs, who is Ungern, the topic
  8. +5
    31 July 2021 09: 13
    It included active participants in the October coup, who even before that had managed to prove themselves as experts in military affairs - Vladimir Antonov-Ovseenko, Pavel Dybenko and Nikolai Krylenko.

    These are really experts:
    a deserter-second lieutenant, a wartime warrant officer and a simple sailor - neither subtract nor add! And laughter and sin. laughing
    Moreover, all three of them were then slapped by their own power as "enemies of the people", in general, they gave them what they deserved.
    Committee on Military and Naval Affairs under the Council of People's Commissars.

    I love Soviet abbreviations, straight Odessa humor of some kind, for example:
    Scoop in the face - Council of People's Commissars for Maritime Affairs. You’ll laugh. laughing
    1. +2
      31 July 2021 10: 58
      Kostya, hello. And the Castle in the face? You need to understand this: take a padlock, you still had well-built padlocks with you, and with such a lock on the duck, and then add to the temple, so that: "instantly into the sea" (c)
      To put the collegium at the head of the Ministry of Defense is dibilism. Make a Novgorod veche out of the army? We know perfectly well how the veche worked: 2-3 hired screamers and order
    2. +3
      1 August 2021 21: 33
      Quote: Sea Cat
      I love Soviet abbreviations, straight Odessa humor of some kind, for example:
      Shovel in the face - Council of People's Commissars for Maritime Affairs. You’ll laugh.

      Furniture - wood workshops FORTINBRAS at UMSLOPOGAS them. Valtaspra.
      © 12 chairs
      In general, EMNIMS, the abbreviated bacchanalia began even before VOSR - in the time between February and October 1917. So the Bolsheviks inherited it "by inheritance."
  9. +7
    31 July 2021 10: 36
    They hardly write about this, but the official chairman of the All-Russian Revolutionary Committee - Socialist-Revolutionary Pavel Lazimir, young (he was only 27 years old) and not the most decisive, the Bolsheviks Trotsky, Antonov-Ovseenko and Podvoisky crushed so that he only had to put signatures on the decisions made.
    P. Lazimir, developed the Regulations on the VRK, it was like it was crushed, the VRK was a collective body and decisions were taken collectively, signed by the chairman, who approved these decisions, all in accordance with the Regulations.
  10. +2
    31 July 2021 10: 47
    Let's just say Antonov Ovseenko is a weirdo: he didn't want to take the oath, but he graduated from the cadet school. It is a pity that we do not know: how did you graduate from college on the list?
    He did not want to fight and "made his legs with pretzels" for an officer, to put it mildly, not the most beautiful act. It smells of cowardice, but as a revolutionary he was preparing an uprising, and this is the death penalty. And was not afraid
  11. +4
    31 July 2021 10: 49
    The plan was flawless, but by and large there was almost no one to defend the palace. Only young cadets and women, albeit a shock battalion, could act against the Red Guards, soldiers and sailors.
    It is worth mentioning, in addition to the cadets and shock women of the women's battalion, the battery of the Mikhailovsky artillery school, the school of engineering ensigns, and a small number of volunteers, 2 hundred Cossacks, with them a machine-gun detachment of the 14th regiment, but the Soviets of these units, then recalled them. To provide them with neither ammunition nor food. The same trouble was with the rest of the units. The VP could do almost nothing to organize its defense, let alone defend the country, even more so.
    1. -1
      31 July 2021 11: 29
      When the circle shrank around the king and the future temporary, together with his assistants, wanted to displace him, the king did not protect himself in any way, did not expose anyone.
      The provisional government turned out to be incapable. After all, the intentions of the Bolsheviks were known. .So what?
      ... could do almost nothing to organize their defense ...
      Although preparations for the overthrow of the king were carried out and carried out.
      1. +3
        31 July 2021 13: 31
        "although preparations for the overthrow of the tsar were carried out and carried out" Kerensky overthrew the tsar ?! Rzhu tirelessly.
        There is elementary without will. Find yourself in the protection of Nicholas II, at least one strong-willed lieutenant and Rodzianko and Co. at a broken trough.
        Nicholas 2 was taken by elementary blackmail: 'I want your daughters to be given to a drunken crowd? You can't get there: the road is paralyzed "
        If only one company commander had ordered: shoot the traitors! And within 8 hours the railway would have been restored.
        And Kerensky BALABOL: destroyed military discipline. Still surprising that there were one and a half hundred boys and how many women are there? Protect him
        1. +1
          31 July 2021 14: 10
          And where did I write that Kerensky overthrew the tsar? Lying.
          And how exactly Kerensky destroyed military discipline is yours.
          Destruction of discipline began earlier. And Milyukov's speech was already at the end, at the end.
          Preparations for the overthrow of the tsar were carried out by absolutely everyone - from the church and members of the State Duma. It was in the Duma that the greatest haters were, and the most influential ...
          And Kerensky, by the way, was the leader of the "Labor Group" in the Fourth State Duma, (keep laughing)
          1. 0
            31 July 2021 14: 28
            And who was the chairman of the State Duma? - Rodzianko, and I said: "Rodzianko and Co".
            If Alekseev had not "clamped" Nikolay's telegram2.
            As for the "soldiers' committees," he burst out: he remembered that Kerensky was the minister of war, all the trindels about freedom with democracy, and so on. So I decided that he was the author
        2. +4
          31 July 2021 22: 00
          Quote: vladcub
          If only one company commander had ordered: shoot the traitors!

          Og ...
          If one company commander would lead the Trinity to Belovezhie to the backs to the ravine ...
          You look and the USSR would have lived ...

          If only ..... Only in the 20th century there are twice not found - in 1917 and 1991 ...
          1. +3
            1 August 2021 09: 12
            What is true is true.
    2. +2
      31 July 2021 12: 30
      Alexey, how to understand: "¹ВР could not", what kind of a creature of the middle genus? Little irony.
      In fact, with the above, not everything is simple: the regimental council recalled the machine gunners, 2 Don Cossacks, it seems, left by themselves. So it is written by Sholokhov.
      In the Mikhailovsky school and the soldiers' committee? I don't know anything about the school of warrant officers. About the battery of the Mikhailovsky school, our historian specifically asked, by the way, "Honored teacher of the RSFSR" and he said. There were personal antipathies: the head of the school and someone from the headquarters of the garrison. It was only later that revolutionary consciousness was invented, and so on. Most of the cadets of the Mikhailovsky School were convinced fighters against the revolution
      1. +3
        31 July 2021 14: 23
        Ochepyatka, VP, Provisional Government, we are talking about Cossacks and machine gunners, only. The rest went quietly themselves. There was nothing to fight, there was practically no leadership. Yes, there is such a story, as far as I don’t know, the famous swindler Cornet Savin, on the eve of the storming of the Winter Palace, "sold" it to an American businessman. smile
        1. -1
          31 July 2021 14: 43
          I haven't heard of this bike
          1. +2
            31 July 2021 22: 01
            Quote: Astra wild2
            I haven't heard of this bike

            Was - was, I also read for a long time ... But rather a story than a fact ... Although ...
            1. 0
              1 August 2021 10: 45
              Everything in the world happens
    3. +2
      1 August 2021 21: 41
      Quote: parusnik
      The VP could do almost nothing to organize his defense

      About which organizing their defense can we speak in relation to the structure, which itself, by its instructions, armed the illegal armed formations of its political opponents? belay
      And she did this only because she simply had no one else to rely on in suppressing the military putsch. Which, for a minute, she organized herself - to fight those to whom she later handed out weapons to fight this very putsch.
  12. +7
    31 July 2021 11: 34
    Most likely, he still had to take the oath, otherwise how did he get the officer's rank?

    The oath was still taken by the cadets, going to the senior course.
  13. +9
    31 July 2021 11: 42
    This comrade Antonov is an interesting and colorful personality. Only the blind and deaf to everything that contradicts his irrational thinking can call him a coward.
    Of course, he was a very energetic, active, courageous, decisive and intelligent person. That is, he was the bearer of those qualities that the king and all his entourage were absolutely lacking. When a power struggle is fought between such opponents - passive, indecisive fools and evil, energetic intellectuals - its outcome is predetermined. Well, the fact that Stalin then killed all the surviving bears in the den ... such are the vicissitudes of the political struggle. To be honest, I don't feel sorry for anyone. They all knew what they were doing and what the stake was in their game.
    1. +2
      31 July 2021 14: 56
      As for the "bets in the game", I only feel sorry for their families.
      Tukhachevsky-? I am not interested in strategy and cannot judge his talents as a military leader, his plans as a conspirator? I don't know, but I know that his wife and daughter were shot innocently.
      Blbher, there were some "shoals", but what about the ex-wife, brother?
      1. +4
        31 July 2021 16: 01
        The formula of the accusation by which certain persons were executed during the Stalinist purges, by and large, does not matter. You can always draw an article. Everyone suffered who, to one degree or another, participated in the political life of the country and ended up on the side of the losers. The power struggle is a harsh business, and those who get involved know it. It is a pity that now the stakes in this struggle have somewhat decreased and defeat no longer means the inevitable death of the politician himself, as well as his relatives and friends - there are too many people willing to take part in such a struggle without risking participation. Regarding wives and daughters, I can only say that they enjoyed all the benefits available to their father or husband due to his position. You have to pay for everything. That was the price.
        1. 0
          31 July 2021 16: 20
          "enjoyed all the benefits available to their father or husband" in this case, the former wife and daughter of VK Blucher no longer enjoyed the benefits and died, and the last wife who used was not shot
          1. +4
            31 July 2021 18: 20
            You have to read the case. Although, by the way in those days the cases were made up, too, nothing can be understood. Now I do not have the opportunity to inquire in detail who Blucher's wife was and why she was repressed, but for sure this information can be found on the net.
            One thing I can say for sure: the communists in those days were harsh pragmatists, and if they did something, then there were reasons for them, in any case, seemed weighty. Yes, they did not value human life, including their own, they were decisive and tough, sometimes, as it may seem to us today, too much, but they were not maniacs who kill for the sake of the process itself - solely for the good of the cause, as they understood it.
            1. +5
              31 July 2021 22: 09
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              sometimes, as it may seem to us today, too much, but they were not maniacs who kill for the sake of the process itself - solely for the sake of the good of the cause, as they understood it.

              For the sake of "Use of the cause!"
              Easy...
              Just give the go-ahead - "Guided by the revolutionary sense of justice" or "Executing a court decision .."
              To each his own...

              Z. Y. And Olgovich would ALL shot lol - he's always with their opinion
              1. +3
                31 July 2021 22: 23
                Quote: your1970
                For the sake of "Use of the cause!"
                Easy...
                Just give the go-ahead - "Guided by the revolutionary sense of justice" or "Executing a court decision .."
                To each his own...

                Z. Y. And Olgovich would have EVERYONE shot - he's always with his own opinion

                I have said for a long time that, in fact, the Civil War has not ended in our country - the retention of one's own convictions sometimes goes beyond all boundaries. Not so much in terms of emotions, but more in terms of morality.
              2. -1
                31 July 2021 22: 44
                ... NS. And Olgovich would ALL have shot lol - he's always with his own opinion


                - not an opinion, but a parody of an opinion. He does not know that everything in history is interconnected and one follows from the other and interconnected. Therefore, it is easy to kick such a person and it is a pleasure.
                1. +3
                  31 July 2021 23: 03
                  Unlike many, Olgovich cites documents and arguments, and not a bare inner conviction
                  1. 0
                    30 August 2021 18: 18
                    Quote: your1970
                    Unlike many, Olgovich cites documents and arguments, and not a bare inner conviction

                    I agree, only the links are peculiar, talks about the yield with a link, on the topic how good it was in Ingushetia, the USSR achieved such results only in the 60s, and in exile every second year in Ingushetia as in 1932, Olgovich told how the Bolsheviks lost the elections on the wiki , he replied with a book about violations during elections. For those who are not aware of the history, Olgovich will still do it, but in the courtyard it is not the 90s that everything can be checked.
            2. +1
              1 August 2021 12: 30
              "who was Blucher's wife" is all that she found: 1) Galina Pokrovskaya - shot. 2) Galina Kolchugina, divorced since 1932, studied at the military communications institute. The accusation of espionage was admitted by everyone and in 1939 she was shot. Before that, I read somewhere: VK Blyukher left some papers with her before the arrest, said during the arrest. Perhaps he wanted to shield his last wife Glafira Bezverkhova?
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  15. +1
    31 July 2021 21: 54
    For information to the author Podymov:
    1. The Russian Imperial Army (RIA) was replaced by 01.03.1917/XNUMX/XNUMX "Revolutionary Army of Free Russia" (official name).
    2. "Red Guard" - the official name of the "people's militia" of the Provisional Government (from the 20th of March). In August-September 1917, this name stuck to Trotsky's stormtroopers.
    3. No one ever planned to form a "small backbone of the new armed forces" from the Red Guard, which at the end of the 17th and the first half of the 18th consisted of a) low-combat units of territorial self-defense "and city punks. every provincial council was smashed by everyone, and the most famous example is the clash near Lipyagi.
    An army on a voluntary basis began to create Krylenko in the form of the People's Socialist Guard (an order on December 25, 1917, which resulted in the SNK decree of January 15, 1918 "On the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army." a few more would-be warriors .. That which was called in 1917 "Red Guard" - was not in any of the projects, except that sometimes the name was taken.
    4. Neither battalier (non-commissioned officer in the navy) Dybenko, nor ensign Krylenko, nor second lieutenant Ovsienko were experts in military affairs. The last two are professional deserters, the first is a specialist in providing intimate services to an aging professional student Shurochka Kollontai, as far as her health allowed).
    5. In fact, there was no assault; accordingly, Ovsienko did not lead anything. Unless he entered the unguarded premises from the Palace Embankment without resistance. The only achievement of this freak on October 25-26 is the personal arrest of the government.
    6. Nobody smashed either Kerensky or Krasnov. everything ended there peacefully and without malice. The defense of Petrograd was led by the first Soviet commander, Lieutenant Colonel Muravyov, Chief of Staff, Colonel Walden. Ovsienko was their assistant.
    So to speak, an example from the Russian saying "We plowed."
    7. And so on, and so on. For each episode.
    8. In general, Ovsienko is a rare scoundrel. Especially manifested in Spain. Those who are interested in the Spanish Republic are in the know.
  16. +1
    1 August 2021 05: 06
    The most interesting thing is that they did not offer any resistance during the arrest. Everyone except Budyonny. But everyone was at war and knew how to handle weapons. This is the paradox of that time ...
    1. +3
      1 August 2021 10: 09
      Someone did. And he shot back. and shot himself. Only this is not about Budyonny, who gave his wife completely resignedly.
      The most revealing thing is that almost all of them slandered each other. Some without torture or coercion. Rotten folk.
      1. +1
        1 August 2021 12: 15
        Quote: Senin Nickolay
        Rotten people.

        Both dead and alive. Accordingly, the society was built under the same people as they are ...
  17. 0
    1 August 2021 12: 52
    Quote: your1970
    Quote: faterdom
    And therefore, the utilization of Trotsky and other comrades can be considered preparation for a big war, in which no one really doubted

    The trouble is that at the time of the BEGINNING of utilization - Hitler was no one to call

    The war with us was prepared by Great Britain, the superpower of that time, and in some places it was waging the hands of the Basmachis in Central Asia and the hands of all Musavatists and Dashnaks in Transcaucasia. Finland's armament and intransigence is also her job.
    Well, and the fact that Hitler was fed for the campaign against the USSR also the British, in my opinion, even they themselves cannot hide. Here is the fact that his appetite will be wider than he was given according to his role - it was an unpleasant surprise for the British, no one promised him France, and even more so the British Isles themselves were under threat. Here Britain turned out to be a situational ally of the USSR.
  18. -1
    1 August 2021 19: 56
    Quote: your1970
    Quote: vladcub
    If only one company commander had ordered: shoot the traitors!

    Og ...
    If one company commander would lead the Trinity to Belovezhie to the backs to the ravine ...
    You look and the USSR would have lived ...

    If only ..... Only in the 20th century there are twice not found - in 1917 and 1991 ...

    You were not just a company commander. The company commander is not up to politics from the word "absolutely". If, of course, he is really a company commander.
  19. 0
    3 August 2021 12: 00
    Quote: Alex Koch
    At the end of the XNUMXs, I conducted a social experiment for one job, a kind of "ultra-patriotic community" was organized in my classmates, which engaged in a network of flame on the topic of inciting ethnic hatred and the propaganda of nationalist ideas.
    So, about a month later it turned out that the brightest activists also have Jewish roots, and relatives suffered during the war and were subjected to repressions. We attributed this to youthful maximalism and non-conformism, we made reports, the group was shut down and forgotten. But it really seems to me that the point here is completely different.


    That's right, "Russian fascists Potkin and Zorkin"
  20. 0
    6 August 2021 23: 42
    And so it must be. It's clear. Joseph Vissarionovich did not like the Trotskyists. There is nothing to be done, the revolution is an evil thing, first some, then others, then you, and then those who are you .... Or maybe there was something rational in this. Stalin was approaching a war, the country hoped for him, he could not go and leave differences of opinion in the elite. Maybe so, maybe not. Now who just does not write what. But as in reality .... But now the time is such that Stalin cannot be omitted, whatever it is, it is already a kind of symbol, i.e. the last banner under which you can still try to rally. It’s not Deripaska and Potanin to go to defend if something happens, no one will go.
  21. 0
    11 September 2021 15: 48
    For me, Antonov-Ovseenko lost the image of a true honest revolutionary and fighter for people's happiness after I accidentally learned that his signature as a high political worker was under the order to use chemical warfare agents against the Tambov peasants who participated in Antonov's uprising against the robbery of peasants by surplus appropriation.