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It all started with the "Beetle". The first UAVs

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... from a bird flying through the air,
no sign of her path remains, but light air,

struck by wings and cut by the speed of movement,
passed by moving wings,
and after that there was no sign of passing through it.
Wisdom of Solomon 5:11


Alternative military equipment. It is hardly possible to find a person today who would not have heard of UAVs - unmanned aerial vehicles or, simply put, “robotic planes” or drones. But the question is: how long ago did they appear and are used in battles?

The erudites, of course, will immediately remember the German FAU-1 shells. but история drones are actually much older. But how much older and what were the first UAVs like?

An interesting question, besides, recently one of the VO readers really wanted to read the continuation of the material on the alternative history of armored vehicles. Well, with tanks that's all for now, but with regard to the development of the unmanned aviation, then there is also something to tell about.

It all started with the "Beetle". The first UAVs
Unmanned aerial vehicle "Zhuk" - the world's first flying and guided bomb

Four years before World War I


And it so happened that back in 1910, the American Elmer Ambrose Sperry, known for his participation in the creation of a gyrocompass, decided to develop an autopilot for aircraft. Already the first version of its device, for all its simplicity, quite allowed the then airplane to automatically keep the course and stabilize the roll. Further work made it possible to obtain an already fully automated robot aircraft, which could be controlled using radio signals.

Intelligence reports


As soon as German intelligence learned about these experiments, Siemens was immediately given the task to make an analogue of such an airplane. Moreover, if the Americans were just experimenting, then the Germans immediately relied on the new device, as a promising view weapons... The fact is that the English fleet was superior to the German one. It was not possible to achieve a quantitative superiority of Germany, so they relied on a completely new weapon. It was possible to create it within four years, and by the time the first Great War began, the production of robotic aircraft was already put on stream.

"Bat" and "funnel" Monroe


The device was called Fledermaus ("Bat"), it was an extremely simplified airplane with a pushing propeller, a 120 hp engine. with. and developed a speed of 200 km / h. In its bow there was an explosive charge weighing 100 kg, the effectiveness of which on armor was enhanced by the use of the Charles Monroe effect. That is, a funnel-shaped depression was arranged in it, which multiplied the energy of the explosion due to its cumulation. The aiming of this air torpedo at the target was carried out visually, for which a powerful arc lamp was installed on it, the light of which was clearly visible even at a distance of several kilometers.

Japanese style attack


As you know, the war began on the "Japanese model" with an unexpected strike by German air torpedoes on the English the fleetstationed at its base in Scapa Flow. From specially built ships, one after another, these torpedoes rose into the air and went to the target, where they were already manually pointed at the ships below by operators from the two-seater Taube airplanes. Success has been guaranteed through numerous trainings.

Several hundred vehicles were destroyed during the exercise when they rammed life-size models of British ships made of plywood, but now there were almost no misses. No armor helped, so the British fleet immediately suffered serious losses and virtually lost its combat capability.

Attacks on London and Paris


Then robotic planes rained down on Paris and London.

Well, the technical solution that ensured their targeting was elementary. A pair of radio stations in the rear, at a considerable distance from the apparatus, took radio signals from it. The radio beacon on board worked constantly, and the moving arrow of the altimeter sequentially closed the contacts, changing the frequency of its signal and informing ground operators about the flight altitude.

Knowing the altitude and speed, the operators calculated the location of Fledermaus and in this way pointed it to major cities. Moreover, due to its small size, manned fighters could not intercept it. The anti-aircraft gunners were also powerless at night, despite all their searchlights, for the same reason.

And although the fighting on land soon acquired a positional character, and the German troops stopped, the losses among civilians in England and France grew day by day.

Russian super bombs join the battle


Russia, being an ally of England and France, was the first country that managed to punish Germany for her treachery.

Thanks to an established intelligence network, Russian agents were able to steal Fledermaus blueprints and very quickly create an analogue. Since it did not have light airplanes capable of flying to Berlin, the four-engined Ilya Muromets planes, the five-engined Pyatiglav planes and the eight-engined Serpent Gorynych were converted into robotic planes.

Bombs weighing 400, 500 and 1000 kg, respectively, were suspended on them, after which they attacked German cities at night. The probable circular deviation was very large and amounted to 2–3 km, but even this turned out to be enough for this densely built up and densely populated country.

Now the people of Germany had the opportunity to experience all the delights of such a "robotic" war, and they did not like it very, very much.


UAV Sperry

US Quantity Rate


As soon as the war began, Sperry managed to attract the attention of the fleet to his work.

And when they heard about unmanned "winged torpedoes" in the army, they immediately launched an alternative development of the inventor Charles Kettering.

His Kettering Bug was originally designed as an unmanned vehicle, and therefore was extremely simple and compact. With a $ 40 engine of 40 hp. with. and a weight of 240 kg, the vehicle's speed reached 80 km / h, and the flight range was 120 km. The design was in the spirit of the day: some plywood, some papier-mâché, reinforced cardboard wings.

The first flight of the device, the development of which began in 1915, took place a year later. The autopilot calculated the distance traveled based on the number of turns of the propeller. There was no chassis on it, so the "flying bomb" was launched from an accelerated rail cart. Well, the projectile itself was arranged as follows: with a glider weight of 240 kg, the bomb in the fuselage weighed 82 kg; over the point that the autopilot considered an enemy city, the central part of the plane fell to the ground.

The probable circular deviation was even greater than that of the Russian airplanes. But the American military was going to use the machine for strikes on German cities, and they did not need special accuracy.

Having landed in France in 1917, they began by launching several thousand Kettering Bugs across Germany at once, which led to massive civilian casualties. Of course, a bomb of 82 kg is not much, but when the number of such bombs goes to the thousands, the effect of their use becomes tangible.

Bombs fell on factories and city squares, exploded in docks and parks, struck houses and palaces, and it was impossible to escape from them.


UAV Kettering

New guidance system


The main thing that hindered the creation of an effective unmanned aerial vehicle is the lack of the ability to visually observe the target from the aircraft.

We worked on the problem. And in July 1917, such a device, called a TV set, was created simultaneously in Russia and the United States. Despite the fact that the design of the device was rather primitive, and it itself turned out to be cumbersome, with its help it was possible to obtain a sufficiently contrasting picture of the view of the terrain over which the unmanned airplane flew.

Now it is much easier to aim "flying bombs" at the target. Thus, one of the Russian "Pyatiglavs" struck the imperial palace, where Kaiser Wilhelm and a number of ministers who were with him at that time perished. All this, as well as the colossal daily sacrifices and destruction, led Germany to surrender in the summer of 1918.


UAV Kettering at the start

Robot Blitz War


However, the pacification of Germany never happened.

Although she paid huge reparations to the victorious countries, her military power was never completely broken. And, as before, its new military doctrine presupposed a preemptive strike against the enemy using the same robotic planes.

Work began to improve television guidance systems and jet engines capable of dramatically increasing the speed of "winged torpedoes". Only now, the count of new UAVs was in the tens of thousands, and they were supposed to be used not only against cities, but also against individual targets on the battlefield.

The "robot-blitz" war - this was what the German military was now betting on, passionately dreaming of revenge for the defeat in 1918. And again, as in the past, after waiting for a favorable political situation, the German government unleashed the second Great War in June 1939.

Warsaw, Paris, London, Riga and St. Petersburg were subjected to massive bombardment by jet projectiles, where numerous military and civilian objects were destroyed.


UAV control by radio

However, the experience of the first Great War did not go to waste.

And in response, equally deadly shells were fired across Germany, and even in greater numbers. The offensive of the German troops on the land front was stopped by air strikes against warehouses, communication lines and headquarters.

The war ended in a matter of months, but even today, so many years after its end, the threat of another military conflict in Europe with the participation of remotely controlled robotic aircraft is not completely excluded.
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  1. Catfish
    Catfish 1 August 2021 05: 02
    +14
    Friends, all good morning and good day!
    Das ist fantastisch! Why Vyacheslav was carried to the dense alternatives, it would be more interesting to find out in more detail how the experiments of Kettering and Sperry with drones ended. I know the war was over before the Americans could use Kettering's Beetle. Sperry is referred to everywhere only as the creator of the gyrocompass and autopilot. There is generally silence about the Germans, maybe I was looking badly and my friends will help.

    1. Catfish
      Catfish 1 August 2021 05: 22
      +11
      Side freaks like a hangover again. laughing


      I'm not sure if the bottom photo is Kettering (there was no caption under the picture), but in theory it should be.
      1. SERGE ANT
        SERGE ANT 1 August 2021 05: 40
        +10
        If he has to, then he will be appointed. Yes, he, he. The topic is interesting, I read the author, now I will wait for interesting and informative comments.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 1 August 2021 06: 37
          +6
          At least from memory, the Sperry devices were included in the list of navigational weapons of our battleships after the First World War.
      2. Yurahip
        Yurahip 1 August 2021 09: 10
        +6
        Pan Shpakovsky has suffered again!
    2. knn54
      knn54 1 August 2021 10: 29
      +3
      For obvious reasons, the USSR "missed" twenty years of UAV development.
      Only in 1932, the famous Ostekhbyuro began development on the basis of the Tupolev TB-1 / TB-3.
      But that's another story.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 1 August 2021 10: 37
        +3
        Quote: knn54
        But that's another story.

        This is a completely different story, in the "masterpiece" there is no USSR ... There is Russia and St. Petersburg in 1939 ... So thanks to drones, not only Germany was defeated, but their man was kept in check - a complete alternative.
    3. dauria
      dauria 2 August 2021 02: 23
      +1
      Chegoy-that Vyacheslav suffered in the dense alternatives


      But it turned out to be an excellent experience in psychology. It can be seen how the preliminary attitude towards a serious article affects the perception of outright fantasy. After all, the understanding that you are being led by the nose did not come immediately.
      Recalled the experience shown a long time ago in "The Obvious Incredible."
      Students were asked to read the words on the blackboard. The left column is English common words. Right - Russian, but selected only from letters that are the same in Latin and Cyrillic. In words. And it was amazing to see how people, having reached the second column, distort the ax - "monop", grade - "kopm". And they try to pronounce this nonsense even with an English accent. Although those students who were shown only the Russian column immediately read normally in Russian wink
    4. Intruder
      Intruder 3 August 2021 12: 18
      +1
      Friends, all good morning and good day!
      Konstantin and to you kind and eternal! hi
      And I liked how a balanced historical essay, about the use of the forerunners of modern loitering ammunition, exactly as: an "air" torpedo, with a television system for viewing / detecting contrasting targets on the earth's surface and command control, at that time ...
      Thanks to the author for such an interesting article !!!
  2. tlauicol
    tlauicol 1 August 2021 05: 37
    +6
    What kind of alternative is this, Vyacheslav? Today is August 1st, not April!
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 1 August 2021 06: 43
      +5
      O! Blitz robot! I - I, das ist fantastish!
    2. URAL72
      URAL72 1 August 2021 06: 49
      +3
      Thus, one of the Russian "Pyatiglavs" struck the imperial palace, where Kaiser Wilhelm and a number of ministers who were with him at that time perished. "

      ??? As far as I know, Kaiser Wilhelm II died in 1941 in the Netherlands.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 1 August 2021 08: 08
        +6
        Quote: URAL72
        As far as I know, Kaiser Wilhelm II died in 1941 in the Netherlands.

        It's just a very alternative alternative ... There, for one thing with the remote control and the engines were finalized - the range had to be increased somehow? And at times ...
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 1 August 2021 11: 04
          +4
          There, for one thing with remote control and the engines were finalized - the range had to be increased somehow? And at times ...

          Well, they did everything very well with radio control, applying what would become known only by the 30s.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 1 August 2021 11: 08
            +3
            Quote: Aviator_
            Well, they did everything very well with radio control, applying what would become known only by the 30s.

            So after all the alternative repeat
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 1 August 2021 11: 13
              +5
              Well, maybe. It would be better if the author wrote an alternative to medieval weapons - here smokeless gunpowder appears in the XNUMXth century, and it began ...
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 1 August 2021 11: 19
                0
                Quote: Aviator_
                Well, maybe. It would be better if the author wrote an alternative to medieval weapons - here smokeless gunpowder appears in the XNUMXth century, and it began ...

                Well, maybe you gave the idea and suggested) ... Only the same masterpiece for rent will turn out - to fantasize without being able to ... just fantasize ..
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 1 August 2021 12: 25
                +1
                ... here smokeless gunpowder appears in the XNUMXth century, and it began ...


                What a great idea! I hope Vyacheslav will not pass by himself. wink

                1. kalibr
                  1 August 2021 18: 08
                  -2
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  What a great idea! I hope Vyacheslav will not miss

                  She is so "gorgeous" that it is not worth a damn. At that time, this was impossible in principle.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 1 August 2021 19: 00
                    -1
                    Nothing should interfere with the flight of fantasy, the idea is no worse than the destruction of the entire British fleet by unmanned rattlesnakes in Scapa Flow. Well, of all world capitals too. Freedom of creativity for one and all! fellow
                  2. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 1 August 2021 19: 33
                    +6
                    Well, yes, and radio navigation of drones in WWI is, of course, possible. After all, this is a genre in which everything is possible.
                    1. Undecim
                      Undecim 1 August 2021 21: 13
                      -5
                      Well, yes, and radio navigation of drones in WWI is, of course, possible. After all, this is a genre in which everything is possible.

                      Believe it or not, it really was possible.
                      1. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 1 August 2021 21: 35
                        +5
                        Estessno, I will not believe it - after all, we are talking about the radio navigation of drones.
                      2. Undecim
                        Undecim 1 August 2021 21: 39
                        -1
                        Estessno, I will not believe

                        Your right. Do you remember Mikhalkov?
                      3. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 1 August 2021 21: 40
                        +3
                        The author of the USSR anthem?
                      4. Undecim
                        Undecim 1 August 2021 21: 41
                        -2
                        Yes. He is the author of the poem about Thomas.
                      5. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 1 August 2021 21: 43
                        +4
                        Thomas is a biblical character. And S. Mikhalkov is the popularizer of this character (... Panties and shirt lie on the sand ...). And what does this have to do with radio navigation of drones in WWI?
                      6. Undecim
                        Undecim 1 August 2021 22: 09
                        -3
                        You don’t believe, he didn’t.
                      7. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 1 August 2021 22: 18
                        +6
                        With questions of faith - to the church (mosque, synagogue). Proof to me is the example of UAV radio navigation in WWI.
                      8. Undecim
                        Undecim 1 August 2021 22: 24
                        +1
                        Do you speak English?
                      9. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 1 August 2021 22: 25
                        +2
                        Quite. Let's source.
                      10. Undecim
                        Undecim 1 August 2021 22: 31
                        -1
                        The Development of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles in Germany (1914 - 1918)
                        So enter it into the search engine. Download the pdf file and read to your health.
                      11. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 1 August 2021 22: 49
                        +3
                        Okay, I'll take a look. The alarming "Unmanned" in the title seems to be off topic.
                      12. Undecim
                        Undecim 1 August 2021 22: 51
                        +1
                        unmanned - unmanned. What is there to be wary of if you own "completely".
                      13. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 1 August 2021 22: 52
                        +4
                        Unmanaged, different meaning.
                      14. Undecim
                        Undecim 1 August 2021 22: 53
                        +2
                        Unmanaged - ungovernable
                      15. Undecim
                        Undecim 2 August 2021 08: 45
                        -2
                        Oh, I see the duty miners have started their duties. I really thought they were skipping.
  3. mat-vey
    mat-vey 2 August 2021 09: 33
    +1
    Quote: Undecim
    Well, yes, and radio navigation of drones in WWI is, of course, possible. After all, this is a genre in which everything is possible.

    Believe it or not, it really was possible.

    And why then in WWII, with those great opportunities, it was not possible? It seems that they worked and allocated funds ..
  • Intruder
    Intruder 3 August 2021 12: 20
    +1
    What a great idea!
    recoilless late middle ages, caliber under 80 mm.!? good
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 3 August 2021 12: 34
      +1
      A bazooka, it is a bazooka even in the Middle Ages. laughing

      Hi Denis! hi
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 3 August 2021 13: 00
        +1
        Hi Denis!
        Hello, Konstantin! soldier
        Bazooka, it is a bazooka even in the Middle Ages
        And this is true, by the way, a very real weapon since the 16th century, even in the army of the Republic of Ingushetia, there were a lot of missile weapons and not only on machine tools and in fortress systems, somewhere I had a book in my personal digital library, so wherever not was used in the Crimean Wars and in all Europeans, even in the Middle East and not only by Europeans and Ottomans! wink
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 3 August 2021 13: 09
          +1
          So I would take and write an article on this topic, it’s interesting, because the people will thank you too. smile

          Hop into Shpakovsky's armor, there the whole company is having fun. drinks
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 3 August 2021 18: 52
          +1
          So I would take and write an article on this topic, it’s interesting, because the people will thank you too.
          Hmm, well ..., firstly: the topic in specialized circles is already hackneyed; secondly: with my knowledge of the Russian language .. crying , they will peck right there, but my heart is one and already with mild tachycardia, but then I will suffer and cry into my pillow at night laughing when I read some users, comments! And so, already got bans and warnings in two years, my soul was torn to send some obscenities, from the homeland of Gogol and Mayakovsky, after all there were people, like people !?
          And on the subject of armor, I will definitely drop by .., Thank you!
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 1 August 2021 18: 27
    0
    Sergei! hi
    It was already. Evgeny Lukin, cycle "Missionaries"
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 1 August 2021 19: 01
      +1
      Hi, hello! hi
      And it's worth reading, I don't know this author at all. request
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 1 August 2021 19: 14
        +2
        Hi Uncle Kostya!
        I have said more than once that I am well versed in two topics: the history of Russian science fiction and the history of Russian rock music. Regarding the first, if I say "recommend reading" - the product is really good. Concerning the second - Russian rock is secondary, relative to the English-speaking ... But, it is original. They try to awaken the senses with sound, with us - with a word.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 1 August 2021 19: 25
          +2
          Those. we "first had a word," and they have a sound? laughing

          Thanks for the recommendation, tomorrow I'll try to download it to the tablet.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 1 August 2021 19: 35
            +1
            Those. we "first had a word," and they have a sound?
            Uncle Kostya, you surprised me! Have you been listening to rock music since before my parents met? Can't you tell the difference ?? Revelation, from the word "absolutely"!
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 1 August 2021 20: 30
            +1
            I just catch the differences, that's why I don't listen to our rock, but the old American people are happy. smile
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 2 August 2021 19: 02
          +1
          tomorrow I'll try to download it to the tablet.
          Downloaded?
        3. Catfish
          Catfish 2 August 2021 19: 11
          +3
          No, I haven't downloaded it yet. Something covered me, I slept for almost a day, Masha also does not feel very well, we are over thirty again, so the state is somehow not very good.
        4. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 2 August 2021 19: 27
          +2
          We have, +18, rain.
          I will not be able to download, I will send it by "soap".
        5. Catfish
          Catfish 2 August 2021 19: 30
          +3
          I am a hopeless and complete selfish bummer. If it's not particularly difficult for you, then send me the "soap", I will be grateful. smile
          And we both envy you about the weather. drinks
        6. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 2 August 2021 19: 36
          +2
          1. Good.
          2. Nefig had to go near Ryazan, it was necessary to go to Pskov.
        7. Catfish
          Catfish 2 August 2021 19: 44
          +3
          1. Thanks!
          2. It was not a matter of choice. request
        8. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 2 August 2021 19: 49
          +1
          Hmmm ... well, it happens ...
        9. Catfish
          Catfish 2 August 2021 19: 54
          +2
          I mean that we came to Ryazan for some ready-made food.
        10. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 2 August 2021 20: 01
          +1
          Ready-made things can be different. Today farms in Estonia are sold for 1000 €. But Alexander "ee2100" strongly discourages buying ...
        11. Catfish
          Catfish 2 August 2021 20: 10
          +1
          So it is in Estonia. Here Lyosha was with us and he liked it, and most importantly, that we like it ourselves. smile
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 2 August 2021 19: 47
    +2
    Did you choose the wrong principality, boyar?
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 2 August 2021 19: 53
    +2
    What now?
    "Everyone took their own allotment,
    He started a chicken and sat in it,
    Guarding your destiny,
    Out of work "(C)
  • Catfish
    Catfish 2 August 2021 20: 12
    +3
    The funny thing is that the same line came to my mind. Only we don't keep chickens. drinks
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 2 August 2021 20: 49
    +1
    Only we don't keep chickens.
    This is understandable, your cat is older than a ferret.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 2 August 2021 20: 52
    +1
    Don't tell me, our neighbors' chickens walk around our garden as if they were on their own, and our bandit has zero attention to them, and I have never heard that cats in local villages bully chickens, there were stories with dogs.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 2 August 2021 21: 03
    +1
    Maintains a fodder base.
    With dogs? Well ... the owners are imbeciles.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 2 August 2021 21: 10
    +2
    The owners - yes, but there were a lot of homeless people, you can just understand them, they acted according to the soldier's principle that "any chicken that moved fifty meters from the owner's house is considered to be nobody's." wink
    Twenty years ago, sheep regularly wandered into the garden to me, ate everything and vigorously shit, warned the owner that tomorrow I would shoot the first one who came to visit, he instantly repaired his fence. This is how a kind word, backed up by a sixteenth caliber, immediately had its positive effect. laughing
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 2 August 2021 21: 18
    +1
    You are a good man, Uncle Kostya! I am not afraid of this word: "kind"! Twenty years ago, I would have slaughtered the neighbors' sheep in front of his children.
    Times have changed, and so have I.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 2 August 2021 21: 27
    +1
    Not everyone listened to a kind word, I had to slap the dog of one fool-mistress in front of her eyes. request
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 2 August 2021 21: 38
    +1
    That also happens. I also killed dogs when I wanted to kill the owners ...
  • Catfish
    Catfish 2 August 2021 21: 41
    +1
    I agree that the elimination of some bipeds greatly facilitates the life of those around them, but, alas, the law for some reason protects the life of scum, and not vice versa.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 2 August 2021 20: 42
    +2
    “My ideal is not waiting for me:
    After all, he is a king, and I am a vassal ”(s).
  • Catfish
    Catfish 2 August 2021 20: 54
    +2
    "One educated vassal
    Around the whole castle ... walked around.
    And wrote in the book of complaints,
    That I didn't find a toilet. "(C)
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 2 August 2021 20: 57
    +2
    "You need to know the bosses by sight!" (with).
  • Catfish
    Catfish 2 August 2021 21: 12
    +2
    "... how sometimes the villain's face peeps out of the window of a respectable bourgeois house." (c)
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 2 August 2021 21: 38
    +1
    “- This is where you are, villain,
    Got such ideas? " (with).
  • Catfish
    Catfish 2 August 2021 21: 45
    +2
    Ideas, they soar, just pick up. laughing
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 2 August 2021 22: 48
    +1
    “But we didn’t notice.
    And they just dodged ”(c).
  • Catfish
    Catfish 2 August 2021 22: 55
    +1
    Just about, we do not notice much, we are in a hurry.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 3 August 2021 02: 06
    0
    An example of Norbekov: if you are pinched by a trolleybus door, head out, and the trolleybus goes on - you will feel every moment and every remark.

    Carpe Diem.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 3 August 2021 03: 37
    +2
    "A moment - and into the sea!" (S. Wolf)))))
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 3 August 2021 03: 55
    +1
    Exactly. And the Hare punching the ticket will be remembered for a long time.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 3 August 2021 04: 10
    +1
    The hare is generally a reptile, constantly offended a good wolf. am
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 3 August 2021 04: 17
    +1
    From these, exemplary pioneers and Komsomol members were obtained.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 3 August 2021 05: 11
    +1
    And from the rabbits, unambiguous pionerki were obtained. wink
  • Catfish
    Catfish 2 August 2021 19: 55
    +2
    Hello, Sergey. hi I chose just what I needed, but it’s impossible to guess the weather.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 2 August 2021 20: 41
    +2
    Hi Constantine!

    Recently, they recalled the terrible forest fire of 1936 in the Klepikovsky district. Almost 1000 people died.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 2 August 2021 20: 53
    +2
    God forbid! Here you can cheer up. wassat
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 2 August 2021 20: 55
    +2
    The situation is better now. Even better than 2010. Bye.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 2 August 2021 21: 02
    +1
    This "YET" finally finishes. laughing
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 2 August 2021 21: 12
    +1
    It was optimistic too. Added realism.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 2 August 2021 21: 13
    +1
    The current realizm and so knocks down robust.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 2 August 2021 21: 40
    +1
    Elijah the Prophet dragged him off for two hours. We practically held out.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 2 August 2021 21: 46
    +1
    I should have delivered half a liter to him yesterday, it would not be up to the "firing". laughing
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 2 August 2021 22: 49
    +1
    Maybe you haven't gone that far yet?
  • Catfish
    Catfish 2 August 2021 22: 50
    +1
    He may not have left, but that train ... They've already drunk half a liter. request
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 3 August 2021 02: 01
    +1
    The next one is not difficult to find. With the train gone - it's more difficult.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 3 August 2021 03: 39
    +1
    In fact of the matter. We'll have to drink alone. request
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 3 August 2021 03: 56
    +1
    And talk?
  • Catfish
    Catfish 3 August 2021 04: 08
    +1
    And you can talk at History, where Shpakovsky has already been posted. Come on in. smile
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 3 August 2021 04: 15
    +1
    "- Guess who is the best tamer of housemothers in the world?" (with).
  • Catfish
    Catfish 3 August 2021 05: 03
    +1
    My cat is Lucky Luciano. good laughing
  • Liam
    Liam 1 August 2021 20: 45
    -2
    Rock everywhere is based on lyrics, social protest and all that. It's just that English speakers manage to combine lyrics with good music.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 2 August 2021 19: 33
      0
      Rock everywhere is based on lyrics, social protest and all that. It's just that English speakers manage to combine lyrics with good music.
      I disagree. Morrison is really a poet, which poet is from Rotten?
  • Undecim
    Undecim 1 August 2021 21: 15
    +3
    here smokeless gunpowder appears in the XNUMXth century, and it began ...

    Nothing really would have started. Would tear apart what was. And for a new one it is necessary to come up with gunpowder and metallurgy with metalworking.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 1 August 2021 21: 37
      +1
      When did the authors bother with such technologies? The main thing there is the plot!
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 1 August 2021 22: 06
    0
    Quote: Aviator_
    It would be better if the author wrote an alternative to medieval weapons - here smokeless gunpowder appears in the XNUMXth century, and it began ...

    Duc, there were once "alternative riddles" and "mysterious alternatives"! One story has come down to us ... either a myth, or a truth ...! That in the 17th century, a certain dude-gunsmith created an automatic gun similar to the flint shops of the designs of the Kletts, Loreconi, Lagatz, Kalthof; but without any manual "manipulators"! No levers, handles "shutters" and other things! All reloading with gunpowder and bullets, adding the "seed" was carried out "by itself" (automatically) when fired! That's what to dream about! Dream idea!
  • Andy
    Andy 1 August 2021 08: 29
    +4
    Apparently this gentleman, printing another opus, "putinki" went through al hawthorn
    1. kalibr
      1 August 2021 18: 09
      0
      Quote: Andy
      "putinki" went through al hawthorn

      I don't drink shit, only Napoleon (in France) and Hennessy, also "from there" ... Drink hawthorn yourself ...
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 1 August 2021 21: 31
        +1
        I don't drink shit, only Napoleon (in France) and Hennessy, also "from there"

        Why Napoleon? Do you like assemblage? Courvoisier also has nicer ones.
        Which Hennessy do you prefer, Paradis?
        1. kalibr
          1 August 2021 21: 43
          +1
          You know, Viktor Nikolaevich, this is a cognac of my youth, 18 years old, so nostalgia for the white label plays a role here. And Hennessy ... who knows. Stands in the closet. Go far ... I rarely drink it ...
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 1 August 2021 22: 09
            +2
            this is the cognac of my youth

            Do you mean "Napoleon", which was sold in the USSR?
            1. kalibr
              2 August 2021 07: 34
              +1
              I don't know if it was on sale. I received it from my stepfather, and he brought him from Poland, where he was invited on May 9 ...
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 2 August 2021 08: 24
                +2
                Why I was interested - Napoleon cognac is produced in France by two houses - Courvoisier and Camus. Camus was sold in the USSR.
                1. kalibr
                  2 August 2021 08: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: Undecim
                  Camus was sold in the USSR.

                  Exactly! It was he. But I didn't buy it myself. For me, Pliska and Club 99 were the price limit.
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol 1 August 2021 05: 45
    +7
    and soon such things will appear on the telecontrol
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 1 August 2021 07: 30
      +4
      In addition to the mass production of Radioplane OQ-2 UAV targets for training pilots and anti-aircraft gunners, the US Navy has been actively developing disposable combat UAVs ("aircraft torpedoes"). In 1942, the Fletcher BG-1 and BG-2 models successfully attacked training water targets moving at a speed of 7-8 knots; successful training torpedo and depth charges were made using television guidance. As a result, the fleet ordered the production of 500 UAVs and 170 launch aircraft. In order not to create an additional burden on the aviation industry, it was decided to convert the decommissioned Douglas TBD Devastator into UAVs.
      The Interstate TDR-1 drone is easily identifiable by the absence of a canopy canopy
      At the same time, by order of the fleet, the Interstate TDR-1 was developed, capable of carrying a torpedo or a 2000-pound bomb. The first successful TDR-1 mission was the attack on the Japanese merchant ship Yamazuki Maru on July 30, 1944 - at that time the ship had been aground for two years in the Solomon Islands, but was armed with anti-aircraft artillery. In total, 1942 such drones were produced from 1945 to 195.


  • mark1
    mark1 1 August 2021 06: 02
    +5
    And takes me away and takes me away ...
    ... to a world where I have never been ...
  • Andy
    Andy 1 August 2021 08: 27
    +6
    Dislike for the storyteller. The site sucks if it hosts this heresy
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 1 August 2021 08: 28
      +2
      Quote: Andy
      Dislike for the storyteller. The site sucks if it hosts this heresy

      So clickbait ...
    2. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 1 August 2021 14: 39
      +3
      Some colleagues have said more than once that the Site is in crisis, which is sad. I'm used to the site.
      1. kalibr
        1 August 2021 18: 11
        -2
        Quote: Astra wild2
        Some colleagues have said more than once that the Site is in crisis, which is sad. I'm used to the site.

        And why did "they" decide that? In fact, everything is OK. Opinion is like a hat for Senka. What Senka, such is the hat, such is the opinion!
  • Undecim
    Undecim 1 August 2021 08: 49
    +6
    The device was called Fledermaus ("Bat"), it was an extremely simplified airplane with a pushing propeller, a 120 hp engine. with. and developed a speed of 200 km / h. In its bow there was an explosive charge weighing 100 kg, the effectiveness of which on armor was enhanced by the use of the Charles Monroe effect. That is, a funnel-shaped depression was arranged in it, which multiplied the energy of the explosion due to its cumulation. The aiming of this air torpedo at the target was carried out visually, for which a powerful arc lamp was installed on it, which was clearly visible even at a distance of several kilometers.

    What you described, Vyacheslav Olegovich, is not Fledermaus. This is a "flying torpedo" from Siemens - Schuckert.

    Fledermaus is a project of Mannesmann-Mulag. It was a full-fledged bomber, which, after dropping a bomb weighing 100 kg, returned to base and landed by parachute.
    The project was not implemented in time.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 1 August 2021 12: 51
      +3
      The duty miners have already completely fallen into insanity.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 1 August 2021 08: 55
    +6
    Such articles make it impossible to separate the real story from the violent imagination of the author.
    1. kalibr
      1 August 2021 18: 11
      0
      Quote: Pavel57
      Such articles make it impossible to separate the real story from the violent imagination of the author.

      This is exactly what is good!
  • DenVB
    DenVB 1 August 2021 09: 22
    0
    Thank you, interesting. There was a lot I didn't know.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 1 August 2021 09: 57
    +4
    "Oh, these fairy tales! Oh, these storytellers!" If you start with something "aerial unmanned", then number 1 in the queue is unmanned balloons-bombs, which the Austrians were going to bomb the Venetians with as early as 1849! Some tovarischi (who would then be "netovarischi" to me!) May declare that the erostats were not controllable ... all this garbage (!) Moreover, unlike the projects of semi-mythical "winged bombs" and properly unfinished prototypes of the early 20th century, the bombers fought and achieved "operational-tactical" success!

    The design was a balloon filled with hot smoke. A high-explosive fragmentation grenade was suspended from it, with an ignition pipe and a wick installed on it. The length of the wick was calculated in such a way that, at a given point, it burned out the fastening rope and at the same time ignited the pressed powder pulp in the ignition tube. After that, the bomb fell down and after a few seconds it exploded, and the lightweight balloon soared into the heavens. The diameter of the ball was 6,9 m, and the mass of the grenade was about 15 kg. [3]

    The first attempts were made on June 12 and 15, the result was found satisfactory and it was decided to urgently start mass production. By August, according to various estimates, about 200 pieces had been manufactured, and the first airstrike was carried out on August 20 or 22. Despite the fact that many bombs did not go off, this had a great psychological effect on the Venetians, and soon they stopped resistance and surrendered the city.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 1 August 2021 10: 15
    +2
    Abidna, you panic, for the country of the Soviets! Why, out of decency, not to mention the Soviet project "Daedalus" ? Fool so fool! Also controlled by me "speri" and "kuttering"! Slobber over a couple of gyroscopes ... and "full of joy pants"! It’s different in the USSR! Here you have both radio control and infrared guidance! (By the way, some historians estimate design developments in the USSR in the 30s as more ambitious than in Europe! the child was thrown out with dirty water "!)
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 1 August 2021 11: 11
      +4
      The reasons for the closure of these works are that the works were supervised by Tukhachevsky, later declared as an enemy of the people! As we "loved" to do, "together with the dirty water they threw out the child"! )

      Well, so he was - what is his idea of ​​a universal weapon (see V. Grabin's Weapon of Victory), and all kinds of assistance to the adventurer Kurchevsky by financing all other areas. The USSR practically met the Second World War without small-caliber anti-aircraft artillery thanks to such a "leader" as Tukhachevsky. And such a product of OSTEKHBYURO as "wave control boats" showed absolute ineffectiveness when used in combat on the Black Sea Fleet. Tried twice, and with the same zero result.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 1 August 2021 22: 13
        +3
        Quote: Aviator_
        Well, so he was - what is his idea of ​​a universal weapon (see V. Grabin's Weapon of Victory)

        Grabin wrote his memoirs based on the aftermath: the USSR was able to make normal serial anti-aircraft guns, respectively, the universal division was not needed.
        At the time of the start of work on the universal gun, this information, of course, was not available. And there was the following:
        - the industry regularly disrupts the serial production of German-developed artillery systems;
        - it is impossible to guarantee the supply of specialized anti-aircraft guns to the army;
        - we urgently need to replace the main "anti-aircraft" weapon of the army - the "three-inch" gun on Ivanov's machine.

        Yes, it was this system that was the basis of the military air defense of the early 30s. And it was her, and not a specialized anti-aircraft gun, that was to be replaced by the "universal division".
        Compared to the "three-inch" gun on Ivanov's machine, the universal divisional gun was indeed a step forward.
        Quote: Aviator_
        The USSR practically met the Second World War without small-caliber anti-aircraft artillery thanks to such a "leader" as Tukhachevsky.

        Seriously? That is, regular orders of the army for the development of MZA - is it "Tukhachevsky left the army without MZA"?
        Resolutions on the development of MZA were at the level of the Labor and Defense Council:
        By order of STO No. С-101С dated 4.08.1935, the Shpitalnoye and Plant No. 8 by 15.11.1935/37/XNUMX were instructed to manufacture a prototype of an automatic XNUMX-mm anti-aircraft gun.

        The problem with MZA was not in Tukhachevsky, but in industry. Specifically, in Plant No. 8, which until 1939 sequentially filled up all 20-mm and 37-mm MZA (11-K "Bolshevik", 2-K and 4-K "Reinmetall", MZA Shpitalny). The second problem was with the designers, who could not produce a reliably working machine gun even at the prototype stage.
        However, at that time, MZA was really high-tech. The Americans made their 28-mm naval and 37-mm army assault rifles for 10 years - and put them into series exactly before replacing them with Bofors. smile
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 1 August 2021 22: 25
          0
          Grabin wrote his memoirs, naturally, in old age, and swore with Tukhachevsky in his youth. As for the MZA, was it really impossible to use at least the VYa aircraft cannon? It was finalized only by 1940, but still it is more economically profitable to have one system instead of two.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 1 August 2021 22: 39
            +3
            Quote: Aviator_
            As for the MZA, was it really impossible to use at least the VYa aircraft cannon? It was finalized only by 1940, but still it is more economically profitable to have one system instead of two.

            In the caliber of 23 mm, the army men were waiting for the Taubin anti-aircraft gun. He swore and swore that he would do everything - and traditionally filled everything up. How I failed work on an air cannon and an air machine gun.
            And with VYa in the role of an anti-aircraft gun, EMNIP, traditional problems arose that appeared for all air guns, which they tried to adapt to work on land: sensitivity to dust and dirt, problems when firing a large number of shells (this is air defense), the need for regular maintenance by qualified technicians.
            Air cannons in their main role are princess and pea: they work in sterile conditions of high-altitude air (even the trunks are glued with percale before takeoff), they shoot no more than 1 BC (there is no more on the plane smile ), upon their return, fall into the experienced hands of gunsmiths.
            Plus, VYa had about a dozen possible firing faults, most of which required disassembly to be eliminated.
    2. Fat
      Fat 1 August 2021 17: 27
      +2
      hi Vladimir. Not splashed out! They even used UAVs (or rather tried) in battle.
      In 1937-1940. in our country, other work was carried out on guided air weapons. For example, in 1938, a planning missile bomb PRAB-3 was developed at the Research Institute of the People's Commissariat of Ammunition. It was intended to destroy area targets. The use of the engine and the gliding section of the flight made it possible to strike at the target without entering the object air defense. The prototype aerial bomb had a fuselage length of 203 m and a diameter of 2,58 m. The fuselage of the experimental aerial bomb housed a solid fuel engine, a compressed air cylinder for spinning up the autopilot flywheel, a mock warhead, an autopilot and a parachute. A swept V-shaped wing was attached to the pylon above the fuselage. Due to the imperfection of the control system, work on PRAB-0,203 was discontinued.
      In the same years, several prototypes of remotely controlled aircraft based on TB-1 and TB-3 were built. They were then called "telemechanical". At the beginning of 1941, the head "telemechanical" TB-3 Bomb designed by R.G. Chachikyan successfully passed state tests.
      Two other "telemechanical" aircraft - TB-3 and SB - were in factory adjustment tests at the airfield of the Flight Test Institute of the People's Commissariat of the Aviation Industry in Ramenskoye. Two more "telemechanical" aircraft - SB engineer Neopalimy and UT-2 engineer Nikolsky - were at factory tests in Leningrad. State tests for them were scheduled for July-August 1941. In the future, it was planned to release a series of "telemechanical" target aircraft and bombs.
      With the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, work on the manufacture of six experimental "telemechanical" aircraft at the Leningrad plant number 379 was mothballed. The control equipment was evacuated to Kazan. Two spent samples of "telemechanical" TB-3s were transferred to the Research Institute of the Red Army Air Force for use in combat.
      At the end of 1941, one fully operational set of aircraft, consisting of a TB-3500 (No. 3) high explosive bomb load of 22707 kg and a DB-3F command aircraft, was stationed at the jump airfield in Ivanovo. The second set, consisting of a TB-3 bomb (No. 22685) and an SB command plane, was located in Kazan at the base of the 81st Aviation Division. Final operations were carried out on it before combat use.
      The Air Force leadership showed no particular interest in "telemechanical" aircraft and was in no hurry to use bomb aircraft in combat. Then R.G. Chachikyan addressed a letter to G.M. Malenkov. He gave instructions to the commander of the Air Force, Colonel General P.F. Zhigarev to ensure the combat use of "telemechanical" aircraft.
      In January 1942, the TB-3 "telemechanical" aircraft was sent to destroy the Vyazma railway junction. When approaching Vyazma, the antenna of the DB-3F command plane was interrupted by enemy anti-aircraft artillery fire and the TB-3 unguided bomb plane went to the rear of the German troops.
      The second copy of the "telemechanical" bombing aircraft burned up at the airfield during an explosion of ammunition on a nearby aircraft. The telemechanical equipment was rescued. However, soon by the decision of the People's Commissar of the Aviation Industry A.I. Shakhurin Design Bureau of Plant No. 379 was liquidated, and its employees replenished the engineering and technical personnel of serial plants.

      I wanted to repost more materials on guided cruise missiles, planning bombs. But that would take a very large volume
      Source: https://arsenal-info.ru/b/book/1592349006/4
  • Fat
    Fat 1 August 2021 11: 18
    +4
    hi Excellent, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    Roman Zlotnikov, in his 3-volume saga about the "General-Admiral", did not seem to get to such technologies as UAVs. Either I didn’t think of it, or I didn’t find it interesting. Thank you, I read it with great pleasure. Well ... smile
    ... one of the Russian "Pyatiglavs" struck the imperial palace, where Kaiser Wilhelm and a number of ministers who were with him at that time perished.
    That's it!
    1. Fat
      Fat 1 August 2021 11: 50
      +4
      Roman Zlotnikov in his 3-volume saga
      ... Sorry hastened "General-Admiral" - tetralogy
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 1 August 2021 17: 44
      +4
      In reality, the monster Wilhelm, forbade bombing the palaces of the royalty, relatives no matter how.
    3. Alien From
      Alien From 1 August 2021 19: 24
      +1
      I join you) Olegovich is making fun)))
  • looker-on
    looker-on 1 August 2021 11: 36
    +1
    Thus, one of the Russian "Pyatiglavs" struck the imperial palace, where Kaiser Wilhelm and a number of ministers who were with him at that time perished.

    I can't find information about this. Please share with anyone.
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    2. Fat
      Fat 1 August 2021 11: 48
      +3
      hi Read the text of the article. This is alternative fiction. The only mention on the web is the text of V.O. Shpakovsky.
      1. looker-on
        looker-on 1 August 2021 13: 04
        0
        Understood. Thanks. And then I already tensed)
    3. vladcub
      vladcub 1 August 2021 13: 18
      +3
      Only V.O. possesses such information, and it remains for us to believe or not to believe.
      I am already afraid for the reliability of the following materials. What if there will be an alternative history?
    4. kalibr
      1 August 2021 18: 13
      -1
      Quote: looker-on
      Thus, one of the Russian "Pyatiglavs" struck the imperial palace, where Kaiser Wilhelm and a number of ministers who were with him at that time perished.

      Nothing to share. I made it all up!
  • Undecim
    Undecim 1 August 2021 12: 40
    +4
    And it so happened that back in 1910, the American Elmer Ambrose Sperry, known for his participation in the creation of a gyrocompass, decided to develop an autopilot for aircraft.

    It was somewhat wrong. The autopilot was developed by the third son of Elmer Sperry - Lawrence Burst Sperry. He also owns the patent of 1912.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 1 August 2021 13: 13
      +2
      Vic. Nick, don't be mean: V. O has an air conditioner covered, and in the heat without an air conditioner there will be a kerdyk
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 1 August 2021 13: 15
        +3
        What does the harm have to do with it? Or do you think that inventors can be specified arbitrarily?
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 1 August 2021 14: 14
          +2
          I tried to joke. Probably the humor didn't work out
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 1 August 2021 12: 45
    +1
    Colleagues, Vyacheslav Olegovich, good afternoon.
    I have a good sense of smell: I entered the site and immediately went to the Armament section, and here is Vyacheslav Olegovich.
    1. kalibr
      1 August 2021 18: 15
      +1
      And I have a good day too. I worked for three days in the country. I did a lot of useful and pleasant things. In particular, he concreted the path to the barn. Now I'm going to sheathe the old barn with boards, and I love working with wood.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 1 August 2021 18: 30
        +2
        and I love working with wood.
        "Oats are expensive today" (C)
        1. kalibr
          1 August 2021 20: 33
          0
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          "Oats are expensive today" (C)

          You can't forbid living beautifully. I have 4,5 bags of cement-sand mixture + metal lattice, went to the path. And nothing! Wife, granddaughter, cat - everyone is happy!
      2. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 2 August 2021 09: 47
        +1
        For this you are honored and praised. And the flight of fantasy must be restrained
        1. kalibr
          2 August 2021 10: 47
          0
          Quote: Astra wild2
          And the flight of fantasy must be restrained

          Well, I do not. This is the very last thing. There should be a certain scientific framework - yes - but within this framework anything can be done.
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 2 August 2021 12: 17
            0
            I do not agree. It is necessary to distinguish where it is permissible and where it is not.
            1. kalibr
              2 August 2021 13: 11
              0
              Quote: Astra wild2
              There should be a certain scientific framework - yes - but within this framework anything can be done.
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  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 1 August 2021 13: 03
    +1
    "Kaiser Wilhelm died" Wilhelm 2: 1859 1941gg. How many Wilhelms were there?
  • vladcub
    vladcub 1 August 2021 13: 08
    +1
    Comrades, at V. O, probably, the air conditioner was covered and the imagery turned on. I see no other explanation
    1. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 1 August 2021 14: 03
      +1
      Maybe "turned off"?
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 1 August 2021 14: 07
        +1
        I just shortened the letter: "s" as superfluous.
    2. kalibr
      1 August 2021 18: 20
      0
      Are you hinting at overheating? Not worth it. The heat does not affect me, and my house is buried in greenery, and it gives shade.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 2 August 2021 10: 56
        0
        How then to explain your flight of fancy: intoxicating or price?
        1. kalibr
          2 August 2021 11: 06
          -1
          Quote: vladcub
          How then to explain your flight of fancy: intoxicating or price?

          Mood, Svyatoslav. Only by the mood. So I wanted to and that's all ... I finished another book "about tanks" - an improved version of the book "The most famous tanks in the world", the mood is good, everything is growing at the dacha. So I thought, why not add a good mood to people. Let them smile ... smart. And those who ... let them be angry. This is also nice. Know that you are poisoning their lives.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 3 August 2021 07: 39
            0
            "this is also nice. To know that you are sending them life." Oh, however, you are a sinister
            1. kalibr
              3 August 2021 09: 01
              0
              Quote: vladcub
              however, you are a sinister

              There is little. I don’t turn my cheek, but rather myself ...
              1. vladcub
                vladcub 3 August 2021 10: 43
                0
                Thanks for the info.: "Forewarned is forearmed"
                I'll cook a club.
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 1 August 2021 14: 45
    +2
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, next time warn me: I want to joke
    Better yet, DO NOT DO ANY MORE. I beg you very, very much.
    1. kalibr
      1 August 2021 18: 17
      +1
      Quote: Astra wild2
      Vyacheslav Olegovich, next time warn me: I want to joke
      Better yet, DO NOT DO ANY MORE. I beg you very, very much.

      In order not to do this, you must do it at least once. I did this once on the Pravda.ru website ... oh, what happened ... people took everything for real! And what is worse than "truth"? It is necessary here too ... to "please people" with the brilliance of imagination. Is not it so?
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 2 August 2021 09: 44
        +2
        So we know history, but hamsters live on Pravda
        1. kalibr
          2 August 2021 10: 47
          0
          There will be an article for you on April 1, there will be!
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 2 August 2021 11: 14
            0
            Q. Let's agree on this: 1.04 fantasize as much as you want, but on ordinary days it is not worth it.
            Although women are patient, they constantly test their patience ... The same is with Cleo
            1. kalibr
              2 August 2021 13: 14
              0
              Quote: vladcub
              Q. Let's agree on this: 1.04 fantasize as much as you want, but on ordinary days it is not worth it.
              Although women are patient, they constantly test their patience ... The same is with Cleo

              I’m unlikely to agree to this ...
              “Everything will be as we want.
              In case of misfortune,
              We have a machine gun "Maxim",
              They have no Maxim "
              (Hilary Belloc "New Traveler")
              You don't have "Maxim", do you?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 1 August 2021 18: 19
    +1
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: Pavel57
    Such articles make it impossible to separate the real story from the violent imagination of the author.

    This is exactly what is good!


    And what is good about it is that myths and legends remain from history, and so history is full of preconceived interpretations, so it will be fueled by fantasies that must be sifted out every time to clarify real events.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 1 August 2021 18: 40
      +3
      The point is, colleague, that in order to write a really high-quality "alternative" you need to be very well versed in the era.
    2. kalibr
      1 August 2021 20: 35
      -3
      Quote: Pavel57
      And what is good is that myths and legends remain from history, and so history is full of preconceived interpretations, so it will be fueled by fantasies that must be sifted out every time to clarify real events.

      So after all, the mob already feeds on fables (written by A.S. Pushkin), so they have one less fable, one more - one garden vegetable! And for those who understand, it is interesting and pleasant to read.
      1. kalibr
        2 August 2021 11: 12
        -1
        Quote: kalibr
        So the rabble already feeds on fables

        Oh - three people were offended for the rabble. Well, after all, it was not I who said that, but Pushkin. However, three extra clicks for VO are not superfluous. The bird pecks by the grain, but it can be full!
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 1 August 2021 18: 47
    +1
    Hello, Vyacheslav Olegovich! To be honest, this cycle did not work for me, alas ...
    1. kalibr
      1 August 2021 20: 36
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      Well, Anton ... The main thing is that he "come in" to me, isn't it? There is no such beastliness from which a PR specialist would not cut himself a slice of ham !.
    2. Undecim
      Undecim 2 August 2021 19: 55
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      To be honest, this cycle did not work for me, alas ...

      And not only for you. Somehow even Chasseignon is remembered.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 2 August 2021 20: 11
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        Sorry, Viktor Nikolaevich, but this name is unknown to me. Succeeded in the field of alternative fatasties?
  • Gunther
    Gunther 1 August 2021 20: 11
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    ... "Pyatiglavov" amazed the imperial palace, where Kaiser Wilhelm also died...

    )))))
    is the author raving?
    Kaiser Wilhelm gathered on 4 June 1941 at the Dorn estate, Reichskommissariat Netherlands,
    burial place of the mausoleum in Dorn.
    the author broke through the next bottom, an alternative outlet))))
    1. kalibr
      1 August 2021 20: 38
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      Quote: Gunter
      the author broke through the next bottom, an alternative store

      Exactly, Heinrich, just like that. And struck deeply. All this is just written in my novel about the hit "God the Creator or Lost on the Highway." And this is so, an excerpt, to amuse the most respectable audience on Sunday.
      1. Gunther
        Gunther 1 August 2021 20: 57
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        that's it, Mikhalych)))
        just jeans on VO, an unsuccessful attempt to promote another opus from a teacher of Marxism-Leninism.
        I'm waiting for opuses on Librusek))))
        1. kalibr
          1 August 2021 21: 23
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          Quote: Gunter
          unsuccessful attempt to promote another opus from a teacher of Marxism-Leninism.

          Why do you Gunter put your opinion a priori above the opinions of others? How did you decide that the attempt was unsuccessful? You cannot judge this, can you? This is just your opinion, and you expressed it without thinking. I don't know if you will find my books on Librusek, but you will definitely find them on the international Dream website. And it is said: "They will not send Chapaev a little bitch!" - they choose there themselves, you are not sending them from the bulldozer. And that the "title of teacher of Marxism" is nailed to a person? It ended in 91, along with the scoop, Gunther, figure it out ... I understand, enviable. You can't do that yourself, nobody reads you. Well, at least spoil the little things. Sverdlov Stalin in exile spat in soup. And that one to him ... Do not take an example from them ...
          1. kalibr
            2 August 2021 11: 10
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            Three minuses against the background of 10000 people who have read it is even somehow frivolous. It smacks of "Elusive avengers ...": "In impotent rage, the red commissars ..."
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  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 3 August 2021 01: 03
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    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: kalibr
    So the rabble already feeds on fables

    The bird pecks by the grain, but it can be full!

    The hen pecks by the grain, and the whole yard is in droppings.