The Ministry of Defense announced serial deliveries of the new Pantsir-SM air defense missile system

The newest Pantsir-SM anti-aircraft missile-cannon systems (ZRPK) will be the first to receive the anti-aircraft units of the Western and Central Military Districts. The decision was made in the Ministry of Defense.

The new Pantsir-SM air defense missile system will soon begin to enter the troops, state tests of the anti-aircraft complex are planned to be completed this year. As stated in the military department, the new version of the complex is significantly superior to the Pantsir-S developed in the early 2000s. When creating it, the experience of using air defense missile systems in hostilities in Syria and Libya was taken into account.

As reported "News", referring to sources in the Ministry of Defense, the military department has already made a decision on the supply of "Pantsir-SM" to the troops. First of all, it will go into service with the anti-aircraft gunners of the Western and Central military districts. Deliveries will be carried out as part of the state defense order as planned. Then the modernized complexes will be adopted by the anti-aircraft units of other military districts.

As previously reported, "Pantsir-SM" received a new radar with AFAR, which allows detecting aerodynamic targets at a distance of up to 75 km. The use of a new missile and a multifunctional aiming station increased the maximum radius of destruction to 40 km.

The air defense missile system itself still carries 12 anti-aircraft guided missiles, but to repel massive air raids on external target designation, the transport-loading vehicle of the complex, carrying up to 24 missiles, can fire. This option is provided in case there is no time to reload the ZRPK. In addition, the Pantsir-SM ammunition load includes new small-sized anti-aircraft missiles specially designed to destroy drones. One vehicle can carry up to 48 of these missiles.

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[Jacket in stock]

but to repel massive air strikes on external target designation, the complex's transport-loading vehicle, carrying up to 24 missiles, can fire.

but this is a very useful option.

[carstorm 11]

Well. This is a normal addition)

[OgnennyiKotik]

A logical question follows: how does this transport-loading machine look like?
In general, the update is very worthy. Radar with AFAR gives hope that the complex will be able to deal with weapons of destruction. Almost everyone has gliding bombs with a range of 100+ km, most importantly, kamikaze drones are produced by anyone who is not lazy.

[tasha]

A logical question follows: how does this transport-loading machine look like?

Most likely, the usual TPM of the Pantsir complex. Theoretically, the rocket can be launched as you like, the main thing is what is in its head .. I think so.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: tasha

A logical question follows: how does this transport-loading machine look like?

Most likely, the usual TPM of the Pantsir complex. Theoretically, the rocket can be launched as you like, the main thing is what is in its head .. I think so.

To start, the rockets must be vertical.

[Alex777]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

A logical question follows: how does this transport-loading machine look like?

TZM PANTSIR-SM

PANTSIR-SM

[Wedmak]

And this is not a variation on the purely rocket Armor for the Arctic?

[Alex777]

Quote: Wedmak

And this is not a variation on the purely rocket Armor for the Arctic?

Here's your variation:

[Wedmak]

And why on TZM sighting radar and optics? No, something doesn't fit.

[Alex777]

That's why I posted 2 pictures so that the difference could be seen.
Pantsir-SM has 3 + 1 guidance channels, and TZM has 1 channel.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Alex777

That's why I posted 2 pictures so that the difference could be seen.
Pantsir-SM has 3 + 1 guidance channels, and TZM has 1 channel.

Strange You have a picture.
And where is the crane at the TZM, which will replace the blocks?

[Alex777]

Quote: tasha

Perhaps such a project was and was called a transport-combat vehicle. However, there is no other information yet.

I knew that there would be 2 cars.
How they will look - too.
And what exactly is called - we will find out more.

[tasha]

We'll find out, of course. I'm thinking about something else. If there is a guidance and control station, then theoretically, what's the difference from where the missile was launched from the TPK, even with a TPM, even with a launcher of a combat vehicle? Or am I confusing something?

[Alex777]

The combat vehicle has a surveillance radar. TPM does not.
One BM both fires and controls 3 TZM EMNIP.
The target on which the fire goes, it doesn't matter who shot it down.

[tasha]

Yes Yes. And, in the future, the TPK can be bolted to the truck at least with wire. Plus a communication system with the nearest BM.

[Alex777]

Quote: tasha

The TPK can be bolted to the truck at least with wire.

I can't accept this ...

(C) Papanov.

[Hog]

Quote: SovAr238A

Quote: Alex777

That's why I posted 2 pictures so that the difference could be seen.
Pantsir-SM has 3 + 1 guidance channels, and TZM has 1 channel.

Strange You have a picture.
And where is the crane at the TZM, which will replace the blocks?

On the picture)))
Specifically, in the stern.

[D16]

And why on TZM sighting radar and optics? No, something doesn't fit.

Maybe this is the result of the peculiarities of the radio control of missiles, but most likely this is the ability to work at a distance from the ZRAK by external target designation.

[tasha]

Perhaps such a project was and was called a transport-combat vehicle. However, there is no other information yet.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

A logical question follows: how does this transport-loading machine look like?

Most likely, it will look like a ROM from "Buk": more missiles, but no radar.

I see that "Pantsir" is already approaching the "Buk" in terms of performance characteristics. At least to M1-2.

[Alex777]

Quote: Alexey RA

I see that "Pantsir" is already approaching the "Buk" in terms of performance characteristics. At least to M1-2.

The M1-2 beech has been removed from service. Beech M3 remained.
The Buk M3 has a range of 70 km and ARLGSN.
Target speed 3000 m / s.
A completely different quality.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Alex777

The M1-2 beech has been removed from service. Beech M3 remained.

Then it turns out that the "Shell" has occupied the vacant niche of the old "Buk".
However, like the Buk-M3, this complex occupied the vacant niche of the first S-300Vs.

[Alex777]

Basically we have 2 lines:
Army: S-300V4, Buk M3, TOP M2. All on tracks.
Air defense of the country: S-400, S-350, Pantsir-S. Everything is on wheels.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Alex777

Basically we have 2 lines:
Army: S-300V4, Buk M3, TOP M2. All on tracks.
Air defense of the country: S-400, S-350, Pantsir-S. Everything is on wheels.

Yes, I remember the difference between the air defense of the Aerospace Forces and the air defense of the ground.
Just now everything got mixed up in the Oblonskys' house - "Buki" and "Torah" stand on the base of the air defense system of the country, and "Pantsiri" are strenuously shoved into the military air defense. In Kaliningrad, the 44th Air Defense Division has regiments on both S-400 and S-300V4.

[Alex777]

Quote: Alexey RA

In Kaliningrad, the 44th Air Defense Division has regiments on both S-400 and S-300V4.

The military complexes were created according to a slightly different ideology than the VKS complexes. They have their pros and cons. I assume you know.
And Kaliningrad is a special territory. All options are good for his protection. Even unconventional ones if they strengthen his defenses.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: Alex777

The M1-2 beech has been removed from service. Beech M3 remained.

Then it turns out that the "Shell" has occupied the vacant niche of the old "Buk".
However, like the Buk-M3, this complex occupied the vacant niche of the first S-300Vs.

No, actually. Pantsir has its own niche - the protection of "large" air defense systems in the country's air defense system. EMNIP he even has the opportunity to receive target designation from them for this ...
And "Buk" is a military complex.
The only place where they could intersect is object air defense, but even here Armor has its own peculiarity - it can be stationary.

[D16]

The M1-2 beech has been removed from service.

Nobody has filmed the M2 beech yet.

[neri73-r]

The picture (illustration) in the article contains contradictory information. It is written that it can hit hypersonic vehicles, and below the target speed - up to 2000 km per hour? Rebus! Hyper is, if I'm not mistaken, after five swings!

[mark1]

Quote: neri73-r

up to 2000 km per hour

If you look more closely - up to 2000 m / s

[neri73-r]

Sorry, I didn't look carefully!

[Prjanik]

It says 2000 m / s, which is 7200 km / h

[A.K.]

It says 2000m.s. And this is somewhere around 7000 km.ch, respectively, for hypersonic it works.

[Alexey Koshkarov]

Hypersound can be found on collision courses

[tasha]

I think, is there a need in peacetime to create all the Pantsir-SM complexes on the chassis of an armored car? Maybe some of the complexes can be created as a container? At the same Khmeimim airbase, the complexes are in caponiers ... It will be cheaper ... In the future, they can be installed on railway platforms to protect trains, or on merchant ships ..

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: tasha

Maybe some of the complexes can be created as a container? At the same Khmeimim airbase, the complexes are in caponiers ..

In general, yes, for object air defense, a self-propelled chassis is not at all necessary. The Jews have their stationary iron Dome, the Americans have the Patriot too.

[Alex777]

Our country is very large.
You can't cover everything like Israel.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Alex777

Our country is very large.
You can't cover everything like Israel.

Yes, as it were, our country is covered by air defense troops, which are stationary. I don't even understand why the S300p / 400 are made on self-propelled chassis.
Okay, air defense systems of the ground forces of the S300v type, it was originally assumed that they would be able to cover the columns of troops on the march. So after all, they, in fact, are also stupidly on duty in the caponiers.

[Alex777]

The survivability of stationary air defense / missile defense systems in modern warfare is very low. EOS have developed strongly.
PRLR, MLRS, tactical missiles, etc., etc.
It is quite possible to overload reconnoitered positions through channels.
Changing positions is the only way to prolong life.
The United States will not attack Israel, and neither will Russia.
Therefore, they have economy and stationary positions.
The states also did not develop air defense / missile defense.
And we prepared in advance for the worst. Therefore, now we have an advantage.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Alex777

The survivability of stationary air defense / missile defense systems in modern warfare is very low. EOS have developed strongly.
PRLR, MLRS, tactical missiles, etc., etc.
It is quite possible to overload reconnoitered positions through channels.
Changing positions is the only way to prolong life.
The United States will not attack Israel, and neither will Russia.
Therefore, they have economy and stationary positions.
The states also did not develop air defense / missile defense.
And we prepared in advance for the worst. Therefore, now we have an advantage.

Well, I understand a change in position in the 60s-80s of the last century, but in the current century you can easily track

[Alex777]

Quote: Pilat2009

Well, I understand a change in position in the 60s-80s of the last century, but in the current century you can easily track

A separate event in peacetime, having prepared, of course, can be tracked.
And if a serious mess begins, you may not be able to trace it.

[URAL72]

I don't even understand why the S300p / 400 are made on self-propelled chassis. "

Ask the Vietnamese. And don't look at the Arabs. The first ones changed positions and disguised themselves, the second was laziness or "zapadlo". The former brought down thousands of US aviation, the latter lost hundreds of air defense systems with very modest successes. If we can quickly change position, then we still have to look. And this is difficult, expensive and dangerous.

[Korax71]

it would be necessary to cut the sturgeon a little. You took the total amount of losses for all reasons. In reality, 2/3 of the losses of all aircraft fell on anti-aircraft artillery fire, and the remaining third was due to the actions of the SA-75 M "Dvina" air defense system and the Air Force on this topic Sergey "Bongo" Linnik has a series of excellent articles on VO.

[Alex777]

Quote: Korax71

it would be necessary to trim the sturgeon a little. You took the total amount of losses for all reasons.

To be honest, I was impressed by the total number.
Given that I have been interested in military history from an early age.
Live and learn.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Korax71

it would be necessary to cut the sturgeon a little. you took the total amount of losses

This does not detract from the essence of what Oleg said! Because the Vietnamese are really constantly "changing positions and disguising" ... and, indeed. Have achieved excellent results! While the Arabs have repeatedly almost "zeroed" their air defense!

[D16]

2/3 of the losses of all aircraft fell on the fire of anti-aircraft artillery, and the remaining third - on the actions of the SA-75 M "Dvina" air defense system

And who forced the aviation to descend from heaven to earth, into the teeth of the MZA? This is the merit of the SAM.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: URAL72

If we can quickly change position, then we still have to look.

The task of the air defense is not to hide (in Vietnam it had to be done out of poverty), but to bring down everything that flies. And if one Shell in the field is not a warrior (and he is not a warrior), then there must be 3 Shells, a pair of Thors and a dozen Trees to boot. And behind them are the C350 and C400.

[URAL72]

What are you doing here? You urgently need to replace Shoigu. Ahh! Why waste time on trifles? Let's give Commander-in-Chief Volodya too. I have never heard anything more stupid. Even if we abolish pensions, free medicine, education, road construction, etc., there won't be enough money for your Wishlist, given our territory.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: URAL72

if at all to abolish pensions, free medicine, education,

Everything is much simpler.
There are thousands of colonels of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB in the country, with a billion from each and voila.
And if not enough, you can pinch the major generals slightly,

[URAL72]

Your thinking is exactly the same as mine. But I just don't remember - did I go to the 1st grade then or was I still in kindergarten?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Jacket in stock

The task of the air defense is not to hide (in Vietnam this had to be done out of poverty), but to bring down everything that flies.

Air defense in Vietnam was not hiding, but "felling" ... But they were disguised, so in order to prolong their existence and "dump" the Americans more! You can, of course, talk ... but talk ...

[D16]

The task of the air defense is not to hide (in Vietnam this had to be done out of poverty), but to bring down everything that flies.

When creating the air defense group, the Fed also thought so. But they lost with a crushing score. We made conclusions, and the entire next generation of complexes became more mobile, but at the same time centrally controlled.

[Alexey Koshkarov]

It is easier for a self-propelled chassis to change position so as not to get hit. There are always several spare and false positions near the starting position

[Wedmak]

There is a container version and was even tested

It's not a problem to supply CM, there would be an order.

[tasha]

Denis, this is some kind of trailed option, it seems. Am I wrong?
I know that a container version was created for the fleet - Pantsir-M. Have they brought it?
For me, a fan of military logistics, everything that fits into the dimensions of an ISO container is beautiful.

[Wedmak]

This photo is believed to be from Vietnam in 2014. So maybe that's what we have improved during this time. Just cited as an example that the work was on this topic. Whether it is trailed, transportable ... but actually it makes no difference. The dimensions are not very large, it will fit on a standard trailer easily.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: tasha

Denis, this is some kind of trailed option, it seems. Am I wrong?

This is a containerized version of the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system in Vietnam.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/748445.html

The Vietnamese just put the container on the trailer.

[tasha]

What fellow Vietnamese. This is what I mean. Container modules for various purposes are used in many armies of the world. In our country, this format is more common in the fleet, due to more stringent requirements for dimensions. In the ground forces, alas ...

[Alex777]

Quote: tasha

I know that a container version was created for the fleet - Pantsir-M. Have they brought it?

Serially put on Karakurt. But there are problems.
Millimeter radar is not optimal for a marine complex.

[D16]

Millimeter radar is not optimal for a marine complex.

Pantsir M does not have a surveillance radar. There PFAR millimeter-wave missile guidance station, and these are two big differences.

[Alex777]

Quote: D16

Pantsir M does not have a surveillance radar.

I wrote somewhere that Pantsir-M has it?

[Nikolaevich I]

The "container" version of the "Armor" has existed for a long time ... There was even such a way of using the "container" "Armor" as placing it on the roofs of tall buildings in cities ...

[venik]

Quote: tasha

At the same Khmeimim airbase, the complexes are in caponiers ...

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This is just - the most UNSUCCESSFUL example! In caponiers, they just stand because they have absolutely no protection ...
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Quote: tasha

Maybe some of the complexes can be created in the form of a container?

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If they are inland (as a "last line") cover stationary small objects (nuclear power plants, airfields, strategic bridges - then YES! It is expedient! In other cases - definitely - NO!
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Quote: tasha

Maybe some of the complexes can be created in the form of a container?

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Sure! But do not forget that the cost of the COMPLEX itself correlates with the cost of the chassis (albeit armored, approximately 9: 1 !!! And therefore: whatever chassis we use (armored or not) is of fundamental importance!

[tasha]

whatever chassis we use (armored or not) - DOESN'T matter!

How much he has! And even if it is 9: 1, this means that instead of 9 complexes, there will be 10.
And put a container or a truck on the platform - the dimensions are different.
I have a certain bias towards military logistics and ISO containers, don't blame me.

[venik]

Quote: tasha

I have a certain bias towards military logistics and ISO containers, don't blame me.

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What questions?
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Quote: tasha

How much he has! And even if it is 9: 1, this means that instead of 9 complexes, there will be 10.

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Yes! And you add to the cost of the complex also a tractor with a trailer ... That's just what you get "bash on bash" ... "this rake" the Serbs have already come in the 90s .... But I don’t remember exactly ...
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Quote: tasha

And put a container or a truck on the platform - the dimensions are different.

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Well, of course they are different! Look at the length of the tractor with a trailer for transporting 40-foot sea containers and the length of "Pantsyr-S" !!!

[tasha]

Well, of course they are different! Look at the length of the tractor with a trailer for transporting 40-foot sea containers and the length of "Pantsyr-S" !!!

And in height?

Yes! And you add to the cost of the complex also a tractor with a trailer ...

The container is one of the elements of military logistics. And the more containers will be used in the army, the better the infrastructure will be. Didn't find the video, remember how ours occupied the American bases in Syria? Attracted by civilian trailers. And ammo boxes are tied with ropes to trucks. Not good.
This is, I think, better:

[Scharnhorst]

Air combat is fleeting (20 minutes +/-), reconnaissance of the object and its defense is an order of magnitude longer routine and responsible (in order to avoid losses of air forces). 9-10 stationary air defense systems will sooner or later be identified, 2-3 will be destroyed (DRG, MLRS, PRLS ...), the rest are choked with interference and overloaded with drones during the raid. The stations will not have time to close the gap and take up reserve positions in 20 minutes, let alone set up an ambush - the object has been destroyed, the air defense mission has not been completed. And 5-6 competently "nomadic" mobile air defense systems and reconnaissance will be tightened and the reliability will be reduced to an unacceptable risk, by this alone, perhaps, they will prevent a strike ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: venik

If they are located in the depths of the country (as the "last frontier") to cover stationary small-sized objects (nuclear power plants, airfields, strategic bridges - then YES!

And even there it is dangerous. For air defense, maneuvering positions is a matter of life and death, the only defense of an air defense system is to rush off to another base in time, under the cover of neighbors. In general, everything is like that of the gunners: if you shoot, leave, otherwise they will be covered. And the "assortment" of what can be used to cover a complex that is constantly standing in one place is much wider than what can be used to cover a complex that changes positions.
In our country, after the S-300, even a complex on semi-trailers is considered insufficiently mobile.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Alexey RA

the only defense of the air defense system is to get out in time

And where will he wash away from the protected object?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Jacket in stock

And where will he wash away from the protected object?

To another firing position, from which he will cover the object in the same way.
Actually, the maneuver of positions began in Vietnam. After Vietnam and the Middle East, the country's air defense sharply wanted even for the DD air defense system a self-propelled version with a folding-deployment time of 10 minutes.

[venik]

Quote: Alexey RA

And even there it is dangerous. For air defense, maneuvering positions is a matter of life and death, the only defense of an air defense system is to slip away to another OP in time

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So what am I talking about? For "Pantsyr" on a self-propelled chassis: "get off the ground" - just "girdle" (Sorry - raise the outriggers!) ... Although on a good track he can shoot "on the go" !!! ...

[avg avg]

Yeah, but for rural areas, pack PUs on a donkey or camel ride! No, but what?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The carapace would still have a radar rising on the mast to make cruise missiles and strike at a greater range.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

still would a radar rising on the mast make

Yeah, and add missiles with a range of up to 400 km ...
But no, then it will become C300.
And if you consider that it was conceived to give it just for the defense of three hundred, then you just need to provide target designation from their SNR.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Yeah, and add missiles with a range of up to 400 km ...
But no, then it will become C300.

The shell already fits into the Buk's niche - with a range of 40 km.

[venik]

Quote: Alexey RA

The shell already fits into the niche of the "Buk" - with a range of 40 km

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Well, "Buk-M3" he already thrashes for 70 km ...
On the whole, there is a clear tendency: the concept of "close combat", "short range" and "medium range" - somehow shift "to the right" ... What to do: "technical progress" ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The carapace uses cheaper missiles without AGSN and is often used independently.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Jacket in stock

it was conceived to give it just for the defense of three hundred

When the Pantsir air defense system was created, they did not think about protection, specifically, the S-300/400 air defense system ... Such a thought appeared afterwards!
As for the desire to raise the antenna array higher, this is a trend, however! I do not exclude the possibility that after a while "tethered" multicopters for raising the AFAR will become an obligatory component of the air defense system ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

It will be hard for the copters to raise the antennas, but the dream is moving forward.

Moreover, in some cases, this will save the car and the crew from being hit by missiles that are aimed at the radiation source, from anti-radar missiles.

Something similar is implemented on the new BUK.

[mark1]

Well then, place the PU on the mast

[venik]

Quote: mark1

Well then, place the PU on the mast

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Well, they have been trying to implement this for a long time ... The truth is still for "melee" (MANPADS) and "short-range" complexes ...

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: venik

Place PU on the mast

It makes no sense.
The rocket can fly where it needs to be. The question is for the guidance system to see the target further, so the radar / optics of the guidance station must be raised.
Raising the launcher can only be useful if there is a seeker on the rocket and it must see the target itself before the start (and this is not at all about the Shell).

[venik]

Quote: Jacket in stock

It makes no sense.
The rocket can fly where it needs to be. The question is for the guidance system to see the target further, so the radar / optics of the guidance station must be raised.

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For MANPADS and short-range systems with IR seeker, it is precisely necessary to raise everything with a chok (where the optimal is to lock the target of the seeker of the rocket)! In this case, there is no radio command section of the trajectory, the visibility of the complex decreases and the noise immunity increases ...

[Nikolaevich I]

If the rocket has a seeker, then it can do with a ground-based launcher; because. often combined guidance systems are used ... (seeker + INS + r / correction). But in France (or Germany ...) they experimented (there were prototypes) with manipulator-lifted launchers with Milan / HOT ATGMs .... Raised launchers with MANPADS are implemented on submarines ...

[mark1]

Quote: venik

Well, they have been trying to implement this for a long time ...

I read about such a performance in the Western Military District in the early 80s, from the West Germans, albeit in the form of an ATGM, but the idea is not bad for a light air defense system

[faiver]

for this there are other air defense systems, plus subsonic impeller

[Alex777]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The carapace would still have a radar rising on the mast to make

When needed, the S-400 can control the Shell, Buk and Thor.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Alex777

, S-400 can control Armor, Buk and Thor

Transmit target designation to their surveillance radars, or transmit radio commands to the missile autopilots?

[Alex777]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Transmit target designation to their surveillance radars

Yes.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Alex777

Transmit target designation to their surveillance radars

Yes.

And how will this help to increase the range of destruction of low-flying targets?
Most likely, almost nothing, because the missile is guided by the SNR, which must see the target itself.

[Alex777]

I won't tell you all the details.
But the S-400 provides detection of targets and their distribution for firing between different complexes.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Alex777

But the S-400 provides detection of targets and their distribution for firing between different complexes.

Buk-M3 provides ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Alex777

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The carapace would still have a radar rising on the mast to make

When needed, the S-400 can control the Shell, Buk and Thor.

Come on...
What are the direct transmission channels and are recorded?
Are there communication protocols?
there is no interaction and mutual control even in the Russian army.
Work is just beginning in the R&D category.
Accordingly, it will take at least 8-12 years.

[Alex777]

In total, the 30K6E control system can control the following air defense components [25]:

System S-400 Triumph 98Zh6E;
S-300PM2 (through the control system 83M6E2);
S-300PM1 (through the control system 83M6E);
Tor-M1 through Rank-M mobile command post;
Shell-C1 through KP Shell;
Obtaining targets and control of radars 96L6E / 30K6E, 'Protivnik-GE', 'Gamma-DE'.

Ability to integrate with 92H6E radar support system with each battery for:
"Baikal-E" senior command posts and others like that;
In the availability zone (30-40 km) 30K6E, 83M6E and 83M6E2 control systems;
'Polyana-D4M1' command post;
Command post of the air force.
It is possible to use the S-200D "Dubna" missile 400 km, as well as various S-300 radar systems (version P) without the participation of additional command and control centers. It is possible to use S-300 missiles, A-50 / 50U early warning aircraft, command and target designation [70] [71]

[Scharnhorst]

You can always attach a P-19 (35N6) with a UNZh to a worthy object, it will be on duty without illuminating the positions of the air defense systems themselves.

[rocket757]

The further development of the air defense missile system, taking into account the combat use ... is very correct.
Now do and put on alert.

[Kurare]

Quote: rocket757

Further development of the air defense system, taking into account the combat use ...

"Further development" - that's putting it mildly. The range has doubled. The missiles of the new SM are practically at the level of Buk M1 to 9M317:
9M38: 28 km / 9M317: 50 km / 9M317M: 65-70 km
Those. The air defense system actually grew to medium-range air defense.

[rocket757]

In addition to high performance characteristics, the price-efficiency ratio matters.
We already know that our air defense systems are the best, but do not forget that such a product is in demand on the foreign market ...

[Kurare]

Quote: rocket757

We already know that our air defense systems are the best, but do not forget that such a product is in demand on the foreign market ...

First, it would be worthwhile to saturate the Russian army with such air defense. I will go even further, equipping, for example, missile boats, corvettes of the Navy with the Shell SM, we get a very sharp-toothed boat, which will also be in demand on the foreign market. Those. and here we do not forget about commerce. But, unlike "only" Shell, we offer the whole ship.

[rocket757]

There are options, different ...
At the expense of saturating our troops, all at once ... not rational for many reasons.
The principle of reasonable sufficiency !!!
To us, and so NOBODY will fly, will not climb! Because we are not only protected by what we already have, but we also have the means to respond immediately and in full.
In a year, another, a third, new systems will be created, with better characteristics, and they will come to replace those that have not been replaced today ...
This process has no end.
So it was, is and will be.

[Kurare]

Quote: rocket757

At the expense of saturating our troops, all at once ...

All at once - will not work. This is clear.

Quote: rocket757

To us, and so NOBODY will fly, will not climb!

Probably not. But in the same Syria and in the sea, it is quite possible.

Quote: rocket757

In a year, another, a third, new systems will be created

Therefore, while they are created and tested, you need to take what is and what is relevant. And the "surplus" in the form of Pantsir-S, as an option, can be further exported as they are replaced by SM.

[rocket757]

Ours have not learned how to trade effectively what they no longer need. Here, after all, a whole system of pre-preparation for sale and subsequent service must be created !!! Alas and ah, somehow we are not very good with these.

[Jacket in stock]

the maximum radius of destruction is up to 40 km.

From the direct cover complex, Carapace has grown to medium range.
The same legendary S-75 also hit 40 km at first. Only there it was a bunch of huge pieces of iron, and here everything is on one machine, and even more.
What technology has come to ... (c)

[Wedmak]

And what about hypersonic missiles? Detection 75 km, range 40 km, even with a "minimum" of 5M hypersound, to react less than a minute - missile flight time - hit probability ...

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Quote: Wedmak

at the "minimum" hypersound 5M, the response is less than a minute-

Shell's reaction time is 6 seconds. Naturally, if it is enabled.
And if we consider that he must work as part of the C300 / 400 division, then he will have a margin of time to turn on.

[faiver]

I would like to see a photo of a shooting TZMka

[DenVB]

Now the cannons should be removed. They are practically useless on the Carapace, and the design is complicated, heavier and more expensive.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: DenVB

Now, the cannons should be removed.

And increase the number of missiles. As on the arctic shell.

[Alex777]

The combination of 1 BM and 3 TZM in Pantsir-SM solves all issues very well.

[Scharnhorst]

There was already a comment about who framed amers in Vietnam under the MZA. And the Armor themselves then cover 14,5 mm ZPU-2 or 23 mm ZU-2 from helicopters, ATGMs and other small dirty tricks of the color of childish surprise.

[Vitaly Petrov_3]

For self-defense will do!

[Fungus]

The new Shell turned out to be great. All the same, combat experience is a good thing.

[Nikolaevich I]

Well ... Today the day at VO is going well! The matter is already closed by the evening ... Soon you can sit down at the table in the kitchen ... put a cutlet with potatoes ... get a bottle of Armenian brandy "10-year-old" from the "Traffic Light" from the refrigerator ... then on the sofa and dream ( !) ... to dream of developing a missile launcher with a seeker for "Pantsir-SM"! What else does a pensioner need? to feel happy for a couple of hours?

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Quote: Nikolaevich I

.. to dream about the development of a target with a seeker for "Pantsir

They will do that too.
Not now, of course. Then.
The developers of the C75 at that time also only dreamed that the whole complex could fit on one truck, come true.
In fact, everything that is needed for such a GOS is now in any smartphone. It remains only to master this for our industry and make it in a rocket-compatible form.

[Alex777]

Quote: Jacket in stock

They will do that too.
Not now, of course. Then.

In principle, the KBP does not do this.
To keep rockets cheap.

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Quote: Alex777

In principle, the KBP does not do this.

The Ministry of Defense will write TK and will do it.

[Alex777]

Quote: Jacket in stock

The Ministry of Defense will write TK and will do it.

What for? Vasily Petrovich Gryazev considered this a feature of the Pantsir.
Tor-M2 is. More experienced colleagues Morpheus are waiting.
They say that when the hands reach Morpheus, the puzzle will finally be formed.
Our version of Iron Dome.
Even mines can be intercepted.

[Ross xnumx]

The performance characteristics are impressive. Let's be glad that Russia has such a technique.

[SovAr238A]

It would be better to say how many target designation channels are on it now ...
If there are also one or two left - both optical ones that look only in one direction, and a very narrow viewing angle, then again nothing "has any analogue in the world"!
Greenhouse and front door ...
If the number of channels has been brought to at least 6 or 8, and even all-aspect, it already looks like a modern weapon!

We do not have remote-controlled detonation of shells for 30mm cannons and is not expected in the near future ...
And this is the most important thing for a modern ZRAK.

Simulation of modern UAV attacks of more than 10 pieces such as kamikaze UAVs no longer gives Pantsir a chance for self-defense and protection of the guarded object.
Alas, now it is a reality.

[Fungus]

Do not worry. For the kamikaze UAV, the new Shell has 48 mini missiles. The developers have foreseen everything.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Fungus

Do not worry. For the kamikaze UAV, the new Shell has 48 mini missiles. The developers have foreseen everything.

And I'm just worried.
For I know that my Russian air defense missile system has only 3 guidance channels and they are all optical.
And in a very narrow viewing angle.
And that the maximum detection range in excellent weather conditions of low-flying Kharops will be 2-3 km at best.

And that even 5-7 Harops, who entered from different sides with competent tactical modeling of their courses of movement, that there would be 3-4 "victims self-going to the slaughter", and 2-3 - entering the Shell - from the course angles, outside the system operation zone target designation ...
And the cranks will come to my Russian Shell ...


And you, the enemy of the country!
For they write to you about problems, but for you this is not a problem.

You are clearly not Russian.
or you don't give a damn about defense!
Only dance and brandy.

Do not care, dance!

[TatarinSSSR]

No hysterics please. One ZRPK in the field is not a warrior. And this is clearly not the only one being thought of, but by divisions and in conjunction with others, of different ranges and purposes, in echelon.

[Fungus]

Don't be hysterical. You are just a couch expert. Do you really think that the developers did not foresee the attack of the Harops and other Drones? To do this, there are 48 mini rockets.

[Alex777]

A colleague writes something strange.
Enemies appear. Brandy?
At Carapace, a radar for 3 targets and an optical channel for a 4th target provide guidance.

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Quote: Fungus

For the kamikaze UAV, the new Shell has 48 mini missiles.

Either there is or not. As you guessed when loaded.
And they still need to have time to shoot and hit. And it's one thing to shoot at one target and quite another at several targets at once.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Either there is or not.

since it has come to state tests and the Ministry of Defense, based on the results of military tests, wants to buy in series, it means there is and is all 48.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: lopvlad

means there is and is all 48.

No, it doesn't mean.
This means that can be.
It may not be.
Dap will be charged at this particular moment, the drain will be.
Or 12 large rockets, or 48 nails. Or 6 large and 24 small. And then how lucky you are, whether you guessed it or did not guess it.

[Momento]

if there is afar, then simultaneous guidance should not be a problem - the question is in the software. and our programmers are good ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Momento

if there is afar, then simultaneous guidance should not be a problem - the question is in the software. and our programmers are good ...

Come on?
How many target designation stations are there on Tiki and Berki?
And how much AFAR ...

[Momento]

Well, if you compare a shell with a berk ..
most likely it can be compared conditionally with an airplane. and there, as I understand it, all the target designation from my radar plus a not very large rocket radar. the rocket takes the target 4-20 km away from the target (depends on the target)

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: SovAr238A

We do not have remote-controlled detonation of shells for 30mm cannons and is not expected in the near future ...

30-mm with DPP are being completed ... They promised to test them in 2019 ... then in 2021 ... There is, by the way, an interesting 30-mm projectile (shrapnel) 9-A-1611 ... how to adjust it ...

[TatarinSSSR]

This is a sensible business! Such a ZRPK is just what the troops need.

[Marachuh]

30mm cannons are not very effective. Better than 57 mm with remote blasting. IMHO

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Marachuh

Better than 57 mm

Aha ... We'll just find a place for the entogo caliber! ... Can we throw away some of the missiles?

[Marachuh]

Can throw out 2 useless 30mm ?! There was a place on the derivation !?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Marachuh

Can throw out 2 useless 30mm ?! There was a place on the derivation !?

Duc, there is only a place for derivation and there was ... one! And you sho ... want to cram two "derivations" into the "Shell"?

[Marachuh]

Where did I talk about two derivations? 1 × 57 mm with remote blasting will be longer-range and more effective than two 30 mm fusions

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Marachuh

1 × 57 mm with remote blasting will be longer-range and more effective than two 30 mm fusions

Long range? Yes ... More efficient? Grandma said in two! The rate of fire is lower ... How many 57-mm shells can be shoved into the "Carapace"? The speed of the gun's turn, for example, is 90g. ? Reaction time: a) 57 mm gun; b) 30 mm machine gun ...? How many shots will the guns have time to fire when the target enters the danger zone? ............................

[Marachuh]

Compare the power of 57 ammunition and 30 mm. Scattering of fragments during remote detonation. The distance is 57 mm and the time to destroy the target is several times higher than 30 mm. Cannon reversal speed? You are talking as if not about 57 mm, but about 157. What's the point of the 30 mm ammunition, if everything is in "milk"? Following your logic, you can offer 5,45 caliber, in general, the ammunition capacity will be colossal, and the rate of turn is phenomenal! You can put 10 barrels at once

[Vitaly Petrov_3]

"Derivation-PVO" in this size ..

[lopvlad]

In addition, the Pantsir-SM ammunition load includes new small-sized anti-aircraft missiles specially designed to destroy drones. One vehicle can carry up to 48 of these missiles.

The Syrian experience is invaluable both in the development of new types of weapons and in the speed of delivery to the Russian army. At the same time, the Russian army saves money by abandoning weapons recognized as completely ineffective in the war in Syria.

[cat hippopotamus]

An excellent solution, I mean small-sized rockets. The experience in Syria showed that the drones of the Barmaleevs, assembled on their knees in the closet, cost a penny, and quite expensive regular missiles were spent on their destruction.

[Dkuznecov]

I wanted to ask if anyone knows.
Programmable disruption finally
are available ?
There was a long lowing, and no specifics.
Small things, but still.
Thank you.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: DKuznecov

Programmable disruption finally
are available ?

Work was underway on 57-mm and 30-mm projectiles ... Above the 57-mm projectile for "Derivation", as I "heard", was completed successfully ... It remains to "pour and drink" ... With 30-mm shells as something is not clear ... They promised to arrange tests with them, first in 2019 ... then they were postponed to 2021 ...

[Dkuznecov]

God grant. Otherwise, you won't get enough shells,
if you stay alive, of course.

[businessv]

Quote: Jacket in stock

but this is a very useful option.

This is certainly very encouraging! And I liked another one:

In addition, the Pantsir-SM ammunition load includes new small-sized anti-aircraft missiles specially designed to destroy drones. One vehicle can carry up to 48 of these missiles.

Comparatively a lot!

[Ros 56]

This is what it means to run in a real war in Syria.