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Aviation of the Red Army of the Great Patriotic War (part of 7) - Ilyushin attack aircraft

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Attack aircraft of the construction of S. V. Ilyushin became an indispensable attribute of the Great Patriotic War, making a huge contribution to the victory. At the same time the Il-2 attack aircraft is officially the most massive combat aircraft in storiesIn total, more than 36 of these machines were produced. Soviet designers called the IL-000 "flying a tank", The German pilots called it a" concrete plane "for the attacker's ability to tolerate damage, but the ground forces of the Wehrmacht spoke more impartially of it, calling the plane" black death "," Iron Gustav "," Meat grinder ". IL-2 and its further development, the IL-10 attack aircraft, were actively used in all major battles of the Great Patriotic War and in the Soviet-Japanese War, operating on all fronts.


Stormtrooper IL-2

Acting as the main striking force of the Soviet military aviation, the Il-2 attack aircraft played a very important role during the war years and had a noticeable effect on its outcome on the Eastern Front. Before the war itself, Design Bureau Ilyushin managed to create an airplane, which was based on the latest achievements of Soviet science and technology. A powerful aircraft engine, stamped inhomogeneous armor (which made it possible to produce armor parts having a difficult surface), the aircraft had a streamlined armored hull, which was equipped not with mounted, but with “working” armor, and the aircraft also used bulletproof glass to protect crew members. The aircraft was equipped with high-speed aircraft guns and rockets. All these components in the future became the main components of the success of the IL-2 attack aircraft.

The first tests of the Ilyushin-designed aircraft, which received the designation TsKB-55 or BS-2 (the second armored attack aircraft) took place in the 1939 year. The first flight on the new machine was made by the famous Soviet test pilot V. K. Kokkinaki. The BS-2 was a double cantilever monoplane with an AM-35 liquid-cooled engine (power 1350 hp) and a semi-retractable landing gear. All vital units and units of attack aircraft (gas tanks, engine, cooling systems), as well as the crew were located in an armored hull.
Aviation of the Red Army of the Great Patriotic War (part of 7) - Ilyushin attack aircraft
IL-2 single

After passing tests that were deemed successful, the aircraft underwent a series of changes. In particular, it was equipped with a less high-altitude, but at the same time more powerful engine AM-38, which was created in KB A.A. Mikulin specifically for this aircraft. The cab layout and cooling systems have also changed. The crew was reduced to 1 man - pilot. An additional fuel tank was placed on the shooter’s place, armament and reservations were reinforced. In this form, the aircraft in the 1940 passed factory tests.

The first serial attack aircraft, which received the designation IL-2, began to leave the factory shops in the 1941 year, and the first combat units, which were armed with these machines, were created just before the war. The appearance on the IL-2 fronts was a complete surprise for the Germans. Despite the fact that the tactics of using armored attack aircraft had not yet been fully worked out, they immediately began to cause serious damage to the enemy, demoralizing its parts. With great success, the Il-2 attack aircraft units were used against enemy mechanized and armored units.

The plane's glider was a single-engine monoplane of mixed design with a lower wing layout. The main feature of the aircraft was the inclusion of its armor in the power circuit of the airframe. The armor of the attack corps replaced the skeleton and skin of the entire nose, as well as the middle part of the fuselage. The carrier armor was riveted and made of homogeneous steel armor AB-1. This armored hull covered the engine, radiators, the cockpit and a number of machine units (on the prototype, he defended the gunner). The transparent frontal armor of the cockpit visor was 64 mm thick. and could withstand a hit of an 7,62-mm armor-piercing bullet when fired at close range.
IL-2 Double

Faced with heavy losses from the Il-1941 attack aircraft in 2, which did not have defensive weapons, the Air Force representatives turned to Ilyushin demanding to make the plane a two-seater, as it was intended. As a result, by the end of 1942, the side shooters re-appeared on the plane. At the same time, it was no longer possible to change the armored hull, so the shooter was out of it and was protected only by an 6-mm armor sheet from the side of the plane's tail. The armored corps, which would have defended both crew members, reappeared only on the next attack aircraft version, the IL-10, which was produced from the 1944 year.

Attack aircraft equipped with a piston engine AM-38. It was a 12-cylinder V-jet liquid cooled engine. Its power in various flight modes ranged from 1620 to 1720 hp. The engine was created in the OKB Mikulin. The total fuel capacity on models without an air gunner was 470 liters.

Armament attack aircraft Il-2 was as follows:
- 2 guns installed in the wing consoles (first 20-mm ShVAK, then in the main series - 23-mm VYA, 37-mm guns were installed in the anti-tank variant), the sample with the 45-mm guns was also tested.
- 2 ShKAS machine gun (wing)
- aerial bombs, containers with PTAB
- PC-132 or PC-82 rockets
- The 12,7-mm UBT machine gun was used as a defensive armament on the double version of the attack aircraft.

The Il-2 attack aircraft was produced in single (only pilot) and double versions (pilot and air gunner). Various structural and technological changes were made to the aircraft regularly. For example, at the end of 1941, a number of specimens began to be installed, made of wood, with additional external stiffeners, due to a lack of materials. Also changed booking cars and weapons.

Performance characteristics of the Il-2 (Double) 1942 Year:

Dimensions: wingspan - 14,6 m., Length - 11,6 m., Height - 4,17 m.
Wing area - 38,5 square. m
Curb weight of the aircraft - 6 060 kg.
Engine type - 1 PD AM-38, HP power 1665
The maximum speed is 411 km / h.
Practical range: 685 km.
Practical ceiling: 6 000 m.
Crew - 2 person.
Armament: 2X23-mm VY guns, 2x7,62-mm ShKAS machine gun, 1x12,7-mm UBT machine gun, 4 PC-132 or PC-82, 400-600 kg. bombs.

Stormtrooper IL-10

IL-10 (according to the NATO classification Beast - “The Beast”) is a Soviet attack aircraft of the final period of the war. It was created in 1944, the Ilyushin Design Bureau by deeply modernizing the Il-2 attack aircraft. The first flight of the new machine made 18 April 1944, piloted the plane V.K. Kokkinaki. Serial production of attack aircraft was established at 3 aircraft factories: № 1, № 18 and № 64 and lasted for 5 years. In 1945, the X-NUMX Il-2556 attack aircraft were assembled; in all, 10 combat aircraft and 4475 training variants IL-280 were produced. From the end of December 10 to 1951, this attack aircraft was manufactured under license in Czechoslovakia at the Avia plant, the car was designated B-1955. Czech-made attack aircraft were delivered to Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania. A total of Czechoslovakia was released 33 1 attack aircraft B-200.
Stormtrooper IL-10

Created in 1944, the Il-10 AM-42 armored attack aircraft fully embodied the concept of a “flying infantry fighting vehicle”, which had a significantly increased integral combat effectiveness factor when solving problems for direct aviation support of troops. It was possible to increase the effectiveness of the attack aircraft due to the higher mobility of the vehicle over the battlefield, as well as partial reinforcement of weapons while maintaining the mass of armor at the level of the main attack aircraft of the Red Army Air Force - IL-2.

IL-10 is a double all-metal monoplane with a lower wing. The main difference from the IL-2 was, in particular, that, taking into account the available recommendations, which were based on statistical studies of the susceptibility of the gunner and pilot IL-2, the attack aircraft’s cockpit was fully incorporated into the armored corps. The booking thickness of the engine hood was also increased from the sides and bottom to 8 mm. instead of xnumx mm. on IL-4. The defensive weapon caliber has been increased from 2 to 12,7 mm.

The improved Il-10 attack aircraft with the AM-42 engine and the AB-5-24 propeller began state tests in July-August of the 1944 and successfully passed them. According to the resolution of 23 August 1944, the aircraft was put into mass production. The weight of the empty Il-10 attack aircraft, which was submitted for state tests, was 4 650 kg. At the same time, the normal flight weight load was 1 650 kg. and included: crew: 2 man - 180 kg., gasoline - 535 kg., oil - 65 kg., weight of gun and cannon armament (2x23-mm VN guns for 150 projectiles per barrel, 2-X7,62-mm SHKAS machine gun 1500 ammunition, UBK defensive machine gun - 150 ammunition) - 420 kg., Bomb load weight - 400 kg., Grenade weight AG-2 in the number of 10 pieces - 20 kg., Removable equipment weight - 30 kg. The aircraft allowed overload variants of the bomb load. For example, two aerial bombs FAB-250 on the external suspension or 600 kg. small bombs in the compartments.
Stormtrooper IL-10

The flight technical data of the Il-10 attack aircraft, which passed state tests, turned out to be very good. With flight weight in 6 300 kg. (400 kg aerial bombs without a PC) at the nominal mode of the engine, the maximum speed of the vehicle at an altitude of 2300 meters was 550 km / h, which was almost 150 km / h more than the Il-2 attack aircraft with the AM-38F engine. The maximum speed of the IL-10 near the ground was 500 km / h, the climb time 1 000 meters - 1,6 min., Heights 3 000 meters - 5 min. The attack ground's practical ceiling also rose and was 7270 meters.

Tactical and technical characteristics of IL-10:
Dimensions: wingspan - 13,4 m., Length - 11,12 m., Height - 4,18 m.
Wing area - 30 square. m
Normal take-off weight - 6 300 kg.
Engine type - 1 PD AM-42, HP power 1770
The maximum speed is 551 km / h.
Practical range: 800 km.
Practical ceiling: 7 250 m.
Crew - 2 person.
Armament: 2X23-mm gun VYa or NS-23, 2X7,62-mm ShKAS machine gun, 1x12,7-mm UB machine gun or 1X20-mm gun UB-20, 8 PC-132-PCN-PCN-82-PCN-400-gun bombs.

Information sources:
-http: //www.airpages.ru/ru/il2_1.shtml
-http: //www.airwar.ru/enc/aww2/il2.html
-http: //www.airwar.ru/enc/aww2/il10.html
-http: //ru.wikipedia.org/
Soviet attack aircraft

This film tells about the most deadly part of the Soviet Air Forces of the Second World War - about attack aircraft. This story will consist mainly of IL-2 ("Flying Tank" - so called our designers) and its modifications. German pilots for the ability to transfer damage called him - "Concrete Plane." Wehrmacht land forces have earned several unflattering nicknames, such as "Butcher", "Meat Grinder", "Iron Gustav" and "Black Death". Also, the film will describe the further development of the Il-2 attack aircraft, the Il-8 and Il-10 aircraft. The film deals with the aircraft, which according to the designers' idea was to form the basis of the fifteen-thousandth anti-tank air army - the Pegasus aircraft.

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  1. Gamdlislyam
    Gamdlislyam 6 September 2012 09: 18 New
    +6
    Apparently I know a lot about the IL-2 attack aircraft, but because this article seemed superficial, empty.
    For those who want to learn more about the IL-2 and its modifications, I propose a link to the aviation encyclopedia "SKY CORNER" - http://www.airwar.ru/attackww2.html

    But the IL-10 (first series) was an unsuccessful aircraft. Its combat effectiveness was much lower than the IL-2. His combat load was lower. In 1945, only three regiments took part in the hostilities at the front, but even those quickly became dysfunctional. Therefore, only general phrases are written about the participation of this aircraft in the Second World War.
    After the war, the IL-10 was significantly modernized, a new wing was installed, and the engine was completed. Only after that he became a full-fledged combat aircraft
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 6 September 2012 12: 41 New
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      Gamdlislyam
      "For those who want to learn more about the IL-2 aircraft and its modifications, I propose a link to the aviation encyclopedia" CORNER OF THE SKY "- http://www.airwar.ru/attackww2.html"

      I would also recommend Oleg Rastrenin's good work "Stormtroopers of the Great Patriotic War". (Eksmo, 2008).
    2. ZAVET
      ZAVET 6 September 2012 12: 43 New
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      Why didn’t the main attack aircraft use a more powerful and less vulnerable air-cooled engine?
      Diving is the safest and most reliable way to destroy ground targets (as opposed to shaving flight).
      Why couldn't the main attack aircraft dive?

      What are the big losses of IL-2 talking about?

      When you read about the mouse fuss of designers, their meanness in relation to each other becomes disgusting.
      Although competition is natural.
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 6 September 2012 12: 53 New
        +2
        ZAVET,
        IMHO, the situation is close to the situation of T-34 / T-43.
        They did not risk and reorganize production in the outbreak of war.
        Ilyushin, by the way, nevertheless dived. True, under 50 grams and with a small presence on the combat course.
        Losses say, in the initial period of the war, about untested tactics of application.
        Next - and a strong and competent opposition to the enemy’s MLA.
        1. Gamdlislyam
          Gamdlislyam 6 September 2012 15: 30 New
          +4
          ZAVET (4)
          Diving is the safest and most reliable way to destroy ground targets (as opposed to shaving flight).
          Why couldn't the main attack aircraft dive?
          What are the big losses of IL-2 talking about?

          Dear colleague Nikolai, the attack aircraft is not a dive pilot. The IL-2 has a permissible diving angle of 30 degrees. And there was no place for him to dive. He flew at the heights at which dive bombers come out of the dive. The bombs were located in bomb bombs, but you can’t drop them at a dive of more than 30 degrees.
          The air-cooled engine was on the Su-6 attack aircraft, however, while the engine was finished, time was gone. The war did not wait, and during the war it was expensive and risky to launch another aircraft in a series. On the IL-2 in 1944 they put the M-82, but this modification did not give any gain, and therefore it was not built in series.
          And the reason for the losses is different. In the first half of the Second World War, large losses were due to tactically incorrect use of this aircraft and insufficient training of the flight personnel. Training for combat use, in fact, was organized only in the last year of the war, from the spring of 1944, after the sword domocles loomed over the heads of the military commanders.
      2. carbofo
        carbofo 6 September 2012 17: 30 New
        +1
        ZAVET,
        The air-cooled engine is inconvenient to book, and the view behind it is not a fountain.
      3. Alf
        Alf 6 September 2012 20: 29 New
        +1
        Because the engine of the BED air cooling at the time of creation of IL-2 was not. M-82 brought only by the summer-autumn of 42 years. In 43-44, there were several attempts to deliver the M-82, but, firstly, he did not bring big benefits to stop the conveyor, and, secondly, the M-82 went to LA, M-88 to IL-4 and another the engine simply wasn’t.
        By diving ... A dive should have more strength than the horizontal, and IL-2 with PE-2 strength standards simply would not take off with the AM-38.
        In terms of losses ... Large losses of IL-2 indicate a powerful German air defense, not without reason the biggest losses of ILs were not from fighters, but from 20, 30, 37 mm guns.
        1. 77bor1973
          77bor1973 6 September 2012 21: 54 New
          +1
          Not a powerful German air defense but a powerful air defense of airfields, 50% of the work is attacking airfields and, accordingly, large losses.
          1. Alf
            Alf 7 September 2012 00: 14 New
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            I meant it.
    3. Leksander
      Leksander 7 September 2012 03: 53 New
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      I agree. No article. The author did not have the courage to write that for every pilot killed there were three dead shooters or that the 23mm guns had zero armor penetration, and also that the IL-2 had no bomb sight and the pilot was bombing by eye.
      1. carbofo
        carbofo 7 September 2012 22: 36 New
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        Leksander,
        From such a distance from which they threw them, after 10 sorties you will become a Skywalker.
        1. Leksander
          Leksander 8 September 2012 05: 03 New
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          Did everyone live to the 10th poured ...
      2. mkpda
        mkpda 10 September 2012 12: 30 New
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        VYA-23 was one of the most powerful (in terms of armor-piercing) WWII air guns, if you do not take calibers from 37 mm or more. Another thing is that against medium and heavy tanks such guns, in principle, have very low efficiency. On the IL-2 put BB-1, which met the requirements (in contrast to the PTB-1 in the first series).
  2. Stas57
    Stas57 6 September 2012 09: 28 New
    +2

    IL-2, piloted by Honored Test Pilot of the USSR, twice Hero of the Soviet Union V.K. Kokkinaki, Moscow 1944

    but in general it’s so very short about such a plane, just a short half-article in the style of an abstract. it's a pity
  3. Vadivak
    Vadivak 6 September 2012 09: 29 New
    +6
    Russian aviation can be proud that it was the first to discover a new form of combat use of the aircraft, before the air forces of other warring countries began to storm enemy troops.

    The first assault operations of Russian aircraft date back to the summer of 1915. Five Russian aircraft of the 31st aviation detachment from a low altitude attacked a cluster of German troops at the crossing of the Bug River near the town of Vladava. Machine-gun fire from the air and aerial bombs dropped on infantry brought confusion into the ranks of the enemy and contributed to the success of the attack of the 1st Guards Infantry Division.

    By the way, black death - a somewhat incorrect translation of the nickname Il-2 - the correct option - the “plague" - spoke about the actions of these attack aircraft, which were really massive in nature, like an epidemic of plague. And the Luftwaffe pilots gave him a completely different nickname - "Zementbomber".

    With such "damage" they returned to their airfields
    1. Tirpitz
      Tirpitz 6 September 2012 09: 54 New
      +1
      I read Rudel's memoirs. So the Germans were jealous that they did not have an aircraft of this class. things were largely inferior to him, especially in defense and speed.
    2. Kibb
      Kibb 6 September 2012 11: 06 New
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      Vadim, explain to me the worse the Skyreder than the Il2 is better due to power armor? 400 kg - loads and that’s all? Against 2000 kg — what did his armor weigh 1600 kg? And did Sky take more, like up to 6000 records? Why did IL10 have more losses than IL2, and than our military did not like IL8 or Su6
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 6 September 2012 14: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: Kibb
        400 kg - loads and all?


        In fairness, I must say that the hundred and one Il-2 main task, which Stalin, by the way, set to attack the columns on the march, was unparalleled here, with regards to the 82 mm PC dispersion on the target was decent, therefore they approached it as much as possible,

        Quote: Kibb
        400 kg - loads and all?

        in July 1943, the maximum bomb load of double IL-2 by special order was reduced to 300 kg

        Quote: Kibb
        the worse the skyreder


        The fact that he did not have time for war, he is 1946

        Quote: Kibb
        and than our military displeased Il8 or Su6

        IL-8 in terms of characteristics was inferior to IL-10

        Su-6 (double version) (except for the mass of the bomb load) surpassed the “Ila” but he was with the M-71, you know about the M-71, and the one that AM-38 was eventually put on and the AM-38F lost IL-10 flight performance characteristics
        1. Gamdlislyam
          Gamdlislyam 6 September 2012 15: 59 New
          +2
          Vadivak
          IL-8 in terms of characteristics was inferior to IL-10

          Dear colleague Vadim, here you are wrong, IL-8 was superior to IL-10. However, the engine failed him. The IL-8 was M-71 (as well as the Su-6), which was discontinued at the end of 1941. Then the AM-42 engine was put on the plane, but the engine was not brought up, and the serial one was produced in scanty amounts (it was not enough even for the release of the IL-10 already put into production). Therefore, when at the end of 1944 the question arose about the mass production of IL-8, the question was decided in favor of the IL-10. After the war ended, many developments on the IL-8 were used in the modernization of the IL-10, including the wing.
          Vadivak
          Su-6 (double version) (except for the mass of the bomb load) surpassed the “Ila” but he was with the M-71, you know about the M-71, and the one that AM-38 was eventually put on and the AM-38F lost IL-10 flight performance characteristics

          One of the reasons for the appearance of the IL-8 with the AM-42 engine is because the Su-6 (even with the AM-38f engine showed a performance characteristics higher than the IL-10. This is already a competitive (undercover) struggle of the designer Ilyushin "for a place near the throne." ...
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 6 September 2012 16: 34 New
            +2
            Quote: Gamdlislyam
            L-8 surpassed the IL-10. However, the engine failed him. On the IL-8 was M-71 (


            Well, how could he excel if the M-71 did not go into production?

            For Su-6, if not difficult, give comparisons with a link
            1. Kibb
              Kibb 6 September 2012 20: 11 New
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              In general, if you think not biased, then the plane is good in those conditions. After all, it’s real-M105, M82, M35-42 ... do whatever you want, but the plane should be
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 6 September 2012 20: 58 New
                +1
                Quote: Kibb
                do whatever you want, but the plane should be

                That was the father of nations
            2. Gamdlislyam
              Gamdlislyam 6 September 2012 20: 23 New
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              Vadivak
              For Su-6, if not difficult, give comparisons with a link

              Link to the Su-6 - http://www.airwar.ru/enc/aww2/su6.html
              In the very first post I gave a link to all attack aircraft, i.e. Ilyushin, Sukhov, Polikartov, Tomashevich, Kochergin, Neman, Tupolev, Yakovlev, Mikoyan, Grushin, as well as foreign ones. So you can compare any.
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 6 September 2012 21: 14 New
                +1
                Quote: Gamdlislyam
                link to the Su-6 - http://www.airwar.ru/enc/aww2/su6.html



                From your link
                Comparison of the flight and combat properties of the Sukhov attack aircraft with the IL-10 was not in favor of the first. The Su-6 AM-42 was inferior to the Ilyushin machine in most of the defining characteristics. As a result, it was concluded that it was not practical to launch the Su-6 AM-42 into mass production.

                Note that you should not compare the aircraft with an existing and not an experienced engine, which I did and you contradict your own words

                Quote: Gamdlislyam
                because the Su-6 (even with the AM-38f engine showed a performance characteristics higher than the IL-10.
                1. Kibb
                  Kibb 6 September 2012 22: 44 New
                  +1
                  Vadim, well, you're right, as it’s not regrettable;
                2. Gamdlislyam
                  Gamdlislyam 7 September 2012 04: 32 New
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                  Dear colleague Vadim, I do not think that we need to discuss this issue.
                  The presence of the Su-6 made Ilyushchin, in fact, redesign the IL-10 in 1945, so that the aircraft remained in the series. After the war, the IL-10M was produced, in fact, a new aircraft. TTX on the IL-10 in the literature give just a post-war aircraft. Yes, and the Stalin Prize, Sukhoi P.O. was not handed over for beautiful eyes, but for the Su-6 plane (Ilyushin for Il-2).
                  For a long time I searched for descriptions of the use of the IL-10 at the front. Found it only in the 10s, when a monograph by O.V. was published in the journal Aviation and Cosmonautics. Rastrenin, as well as on the site "I remember" the memories of the front-line soldiers about the IL-XNUMX.
                  Alas, according to the recollections of pilots flying on both types of aircraft, the IL-10 at the front in all respects, with the exception of speed (which practically did not play a role in those conditions), was inferior to the IL-2. Especially inferior in survivability. If the Il-2 aircraft after an emergency landing, as a rule, were restored, then the Il-10 was no longer subject to recovery in the field.
        2. Kibb
          Kibb 6 September 2012 16: 56 New
          +1
          Yes, but Il 10 is about the same age as Sky, you know its history is also quite complicated
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 6 September 2012 20: 55 New
            +3
            Quote: Kibb

            Yes, but IL 10 is the same age


            Damn I did not understand, sorry you wrote the worse the skyreder than the il2

            Well, in my opinion, Sky is a great car, (it didn’t survive until the 70s), although it was not an attack plane at first, I think it would have been taut for 2 m without an anti-handed shooter and its reliability was worse than Ila, but it’s more maneuverable due to the powerful engine 2 hp this is not khukh mukhra
            1. Kibb
              Kibb 6 September 2012 21: 43 New
              +1
              Quote: Vadivak
              although initially not a ground attack aircraft

              And who? Oh, I'm sorry, but the best BATTOOM for the whole history of piston samoltov. Packers then quickly left the stage. And he would have survived perfectly with normal support, and he survived until the 70s. But the difference in 1000 hp does not explain the difference in load 400 (300) vs AD-1
              Wingspan, m 15.25
              Length, m 11.63
              Height, m ​​3.66
              Wing area, m2 37.19
              Weight, kg
              empty 4763 aircraft
              normal takeoff 6305
              maximum take-off 8165
              Engine Type 1 PD Wright R-3350-24W Duplex Cyclone
              Power, hp
              take-off 1 x 2500
              nominal 1 x 2200
              Maximum speed, km / h 589
              Cruising speed, km / h 298
              Practical range, km 3122
              Maximum rate of climb, m / min 1094
              Practical ceiling, m 10060
              Crew 1
              Armament: two 20 mm guns
              combat load - 2720 kg of various weapons at 12 nodes of the suspension (bombs
              In plus Il2 You can put only guns VYa
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 7 September 2012 08: 49 New
                +1
                Quote: Kibb
                In plus Il2 You can put only guns VYa


                It is doubtful (66 kg 1 pc are too heavy) they just (2 pieces) in 45 on the IL-10 were replaced by 4 NS-23 37 kg 1 pc.
                1. Kibb
                  Kibb 7 September 2012 12: 13 New
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                  So right - too powerful guns for the aircraft. They did not dare to put them on the fighter. But excellent ballistics allowed in the future to make ZU 23-2 and Shilka
            2. Kibb
              Kibb 6 September 2012 22: 34 New
              +2
              [quote = Vadivak] Skyder is worse than Il2 [/ quote I asked about what? Why is the armor on the frame better or worse than the Il system? No advantages are visible, or is it like with a cut-off reflector in the Mosin rifle - the most unfortunate part in the whole rifle
              1. bairat
                bairat 7 September 2012 14: 08 New
                +1
                Frame armor is heavier, but it’s easier for mechanics to service such an aircraft.
      2. Alf
        Alf 6 September 2012 20: 38 New
        +1
        AM-38 = 1750 hp, Skyrader-2700 hp .. Hence the difference. IL-8 and SU-6-engine, engine ..
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 6 September 2012 21: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: Alf
          engine, engine ..


          Well, this is the headache of our aviation, which machines could just tear the Luftwaffe, take the same I-185
          1. Alf
            Alf 6 September 2012 21: 43 New
            0
            An airplane is easier to build than an engine. And also TU-2AM-37, DVB-102.
        2. Alf
          Alf 6 September 2012 21: 50 New
          +1
          It was not for nothing that Mikulin joked that "on a good motor, the gate will fly."
    3. ICT
      ICT 6 September 2012 14: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: Vadivak
      nicknames IL-2- the correct option - "plague"


      well, plague is "black death"
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 6 September 2012 14: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: TIT
        well, plague is "black death"


        yes, but the Germans have no such analogies
        1. Kibb
          Kibb 6 September 2012 16: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Vadivak
          yes, but the Germans have no such analogies

          they were not particularly worried about this, of course, we do not take into account the unsuccessful 129 - the plane itself is not bad - they made a mistake with the motor. Although they and Yu88 seemed to be enough for everything
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 6 September 2012 21: 34 New
            +2
            Quote: Kibb
            Of course we do not take into account not a good 129-

            Well, at the engine factory no matter how you build the engine,

            Quote: Kibb
            otya them and u88 seemed to be enough for everything


            the FW-190F was good as an attack aircraft. 88-mm rockets had a cumulative warhead. They pierced armor up to 180 mm thick. 250 kg AB 250 cluster bomb. After the drop, such a bomb opened up, dispersing submunitions over a large area. Two MG-151/20 cannons the root of the wing, two 7,9 mm MG-17 machine guns on the fuselage, two underwing 30 mm MK-103 guns but the train has already left 43 not 41
            1. Kibb
              Kibb 6 September 2012 22: 02 New
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              Quote: Vadivak
              Well, at the engine factory no matter how you build the engine,

              Laughed - yes really good
  4. redcod
    redcod 6 September 2012 09: 59 New
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    Recently, publications have appeared that the IL-2 was not such an aircraft as Soviet propaganda praised it. Allegedly he did not have a sight, his weapons were weak, his flying qualities were low, etc.
    Yes, the IL-2 may have had flaws, but due to its manufacturability, reliability and mass character of the Germans, it dalbed properly.
    I want to say that at that time there was no perfect weapon on either side of that terrible war. By the way, there is none now, well, of course, except AK ..
    1. Civil
      Civil 6 September 2012 11: 58 New
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      Well, dk ... now they write a lot ... they will also write that the pilots were chained to the helm, and only after a liter of vodka went into battle ... these will all write
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 6 September 2012 13: 31 New
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        All the same, wartime, a complete lack of means of production and good performers in factories. Lost P. Sukhoi V. Ilyushin in terms of time, and when the plane has already been launched into the series and more or less successfully copes with the tasks, then they left him. It was very difficult to launch another attack aircraft in the series, besides Ilov had one very important advantage over the Su-6 - this is one engine! And this is half the plane! Two engines - it’s twice as expensive ... The Su-2 was an excellent aircraft, but without armor, at least in the first series, they did little, albeit badly, it burned very badly and was very tenacious IL-2. ..
    2. Alf
      Alf 6 September 2012 20: 40 New
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      These publications did not indicate what IL-2 was compared with.
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 6 September 2012 21: 38 New
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      Quote: redcod
      Recently, publications have appeared that the IL-2 was not such an aircraft as Soviet propaganda praised it. Allegedly he did not have a sight, his weapons were weak, his flying qualities were low, etc.



      "Il-2 aircraft are needed by our Red Army ... like air, like bread."

      I.V. Stalin

      What other comments are there
    4. Alex
      Alex 8 January 2014 18: 44 New
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      Quote: redcod
      Recently, publications have appeared that the Il-2 was not such an aircraft as Soviet propaganda praised it. Allegedly he had no sight,
      As well as propeller, engine and chassis. and shot from hunting shotguns.

      Well, think for yourself what kind of nonsense - a combat aircraft without a sight ?! And why talk such nonsense, for the sake of fasting, or what?
  5. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 6 September 2012 10: 03 New
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    I wouldn’t compare Ila and Stuck - too different planes for both capabilities and applications ...
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 6 September 2012 15: 17 New
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      Quote: Brother Sarich
      I wouldn’t compare Ila and Stuck - too different planes for both capabilities and applications ...


      A bomber piece, although it was an assault option, and if you compare the attack aircraft then with the FW-190F.

      Ju 87G. c37-mm Flak 18. guns, but without cover it was a guaranteed mass grave (with rare exceptions) low speed and maneuverability
  6. bistrov.
    bistrov. 6 September 2012 10: 12 New
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    "Airplane-soldier", "flying tank" - so with pride and love the Soviet soldiers called the IL-2 attack aircraft. These definitions very accurately characterize the combat qualities of the aircraft, created by the design team under the leadership of S.V. Ilyushin. The Germans were terrified of this aircraft, by the way, they did not have a specialized attack aircraft and used either the Stuka Ju-87 dive bomber or the Me-109 fighter for attack, and subsequently adapted a number of Focke-Wulf-190 for this purpose. But that was all wrong. "Stuck" was soon removed from service, and fighters were urgently needed to fight the superior forces of Soviet aviation. And this is not the first German puncture. For example, they did not have a long-range bomber. In general, the more I think about their unleashing a war with the USSR, the more I am surprised at the short-sightedness of the Germans. Put your head in the mouth of a Russian bear! Even if it were assumed that they achieved their goal and would have taken Moscow, this would not mean the end of the war, there was still huge Siberia, 10 thousand kilometers long, with innumerable natural resources and stubborn hardy people. They would simply delay their defeat.
  7. redcod
    redcod 6 September 2012 10: 23 New
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    Begeldinov, Talgat Yakubekovich — Soviet attack pilot, twice Hero of the Soviet Union. During the two years of the war, T. Ya. Begeldinov made 305 sorties to attack the ground forces of the enemy, shot down 7 German planes in air battles. He opened his account on a single Il-2, knocking down the Me-109 when he was returning from the attack.
  8. bairat
    bairat 6 September 2012 10: 58 New
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    Who has not read I advise you to read the book "I fought on the IL-2", these are the memoirs of veterans. It is very interesting to trace the evolution of the aircraft's combat use, the formation during the attack "in a circle" did not appear immediately but was the result of the addition of combat experience.
  9. borisst64
    borisst64 6 September 2012 11: 20 New
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    Quote: redcod
    made 305 sorties


    When they gave the Hero for 30 sorties, you know what a meat grinder was.
    1. Gamdlislyam
      Gamdlislyam 6 September 2012 16: 10 New
      +1
      borisst64
      When for 30 sorties the hero was given

      In the first year of the war, GSS were given for 30 sorties, then they began to give for 70, and in the last year of the war they were given for 100 sorties.
  10. Forward
    Forward 6 September 2012 13: 40 New
    +3
    My father fought on this legendary attack aircraft Il-2 from 1941-1945. soldier
  11. atos_kin
    atos_kin 6 September 2012 13: 50 New
    +3
    My father told me. He (15 years old) worked at the Uralvagonzavod, which, in addition to ground tanks, also riveted IL-2 air tanks. After the tail was made wooden, nemchura very quickly adapted to shoot him from one line. It became a shame that such a tenacious aircraft was so quickly withdrawn from battle. The solution was found by extending the three spars. As a result, with lumbago (there were cases in the sieve) of the tail, the tank returned to base.
  12. strannik595
    strannik595 6 September 2012 14: 50 New
    +2
    weapons created for a real war, where big losses every day, which means renewable resources are of paramount importance, repair of equipment in the field ............ therefore, the Germans could not oppose anything on these qualities nor T-34 on the ground, nor IL-2 in the air ..... chased the creation of a superweapon, but as a result they lost the war with a bang ..... Russia has been constantly at war since the 8th century and the Russians know how and what weapons are needed in real combat conditions. ........... I hope our modern designers do not drop the banner of their teachers
  13. nnz226
    nnz226 6 September 2012 15: 46 New
    +5
    The main plot of the use of IL-2 in such a story: April 1945 - the assault on Berlin, fierce resistance. Air support is no longer possible because of the fear of covering one’s own, but it is necessary that hiding is not a big deal. Zhukov gives the order to fly IL-2, dive and imitate attacks on the Germans, but without firing. It helped! Hearing the sounds of the approaching Ilov, the Germans, like cockroaches, were hiding in shelters: they already had a conditioned reflex to this sound. Those who did not have such a reflex simply did not survive until April 1945, our pilots mixed with zemnitsa earlier.
  14. Zmitcer
    Zmitcer 6 September 2012 22: 55 New
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    Why is there no information about the IL-20 in the article? An interesting car, after all, and the Su-6, like many other interesting projects, was let down by the engine's unavailability. And so it surpassed the IL-2 in its flight characteristics. If the Union had been ready for war, in 1941 these "flying tanks" would have thoroughly thinned out the German columns. A rare German, would have crawled to Minsk. wink
  15. alex86
    alex86 7 September 2012 19: 19 New
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    But who will say, if today it turns out that nothing else will be possible to produce, then how will the IL-2 show itself (well, even with a local conflict)? It seems to me that even today there would be a use ...
  16. rocketman
    rocketman 5 October 2012 01: 45 New
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    In my youth, Vasily Emelianenko's book "In the harsh military air" was one of my favorite books. the history of the combat path of the regiment, which was the first in the Red Army to receive 65 Il-2s and entered the war on them on June 27 ... very interesting and truthful written
  17. Protos
    Protos 27 September 2017 02: 13 New
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    Quote: Leksander
    I agree. No article. As 23mm guns had zero armor penetration, and also that the IL-2 did not have a bomb sight and the pilot bombed by eye.

    Do not smack bullshit, she is not a woman lol
    1. VYA-23 had a b \ n in 15-20mm, which was enough for tanks 41-42g. Pz2 \ 3 \ 35 \ 38, and with 43g. PTAB appeared!
    At heights of 200-300m. the ground rushes under the plane at such a speed that there will be a mess in the sight of the PBP-16.
    "The commander of the 4th squadron, captain VD Lesnikov, sat down on the forest, taking the crowns of densely-grown trees for a green field during a shower. The attack aircraft collapsed, but the pilot escaped with only bruises. Only senior lieutenant Alexander Bulavinov was unlucky. His Il-2 They found the fuselage lying in the Seshchi area, the pilot in the cockpit was dead. During landing, he smashed his head against the PBP-16 sight. No wonder his designation ra decodes in parts as "device, beating the pilot once hurt." It took a long time, until at last, to the great joy of the pilots, the sight no longer put on Elah, and net sight began to apply directly to the frontal bulletproof glass lantern "
    The composition of the columns of the enemy tanks was 5%!
    The rest: armored personnel carriers, armored vehicles, cars, wagons, carts, military personnel - it made its way even from ShKAS and ShVAK lol
    Read less all sorts of rezuv-suvorov! yes
    here with numbers and facts
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