"May be recognized as the best in the world": the US press reflects on the merits of the Israeli tank "Merkava"

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The main battle tank of the Israeli army "Merkava" in the future could become the fastest attacking a tank... It is armed with a 120mm cannon, an advanced anti-RPG system and can act as a heavy tank while carrying infantry on board. The characteristics are impressive, making you wonder if this vehicle should be given the honorary title of the best tank in the world?

One military report draws attention to the Merkava's missiles to destroy helicopters, as well as innovative capabilities for a tank attack. And these are not unfounded statements: the "Merkava" tank is constantly at war. He has proven himself well in battle. True, the battles in recent years have increasingly been the shelling of adjacent territories.



The tank is regularly improved and modernized. One of the key innovations is the Trophy active protection system. Integrated with it are sensors with high-speed processors, fire control, detection, tracking and destruction of approaching anti-tank missiles and RPG grenades of the enemy.

It is also worth noting the presence of heavier anti-tank missiles in the armament of the Israeli tank, a much greater range than most other modern tanks.

According to National Interest editor Chris Osborne, the Merkava is capable of overtaking or destroying most Soviet-era tanks.

At the same time, the American author notes that in the event of any armed conflict, the "Merkava" can play a very important service for Israel. If the Israeli army needs to solve any problems in the field of defense or offensive, the "Merkava" will help break through the enemy's defenses and move forward as the main carrier of firepower. With the help of its anti-tank weapons, the Merkava will destroy enemy armored vehicles at a great distance. Also, the tank has the ability to effectively work on enemy infantry groups, which is also very important in the context of modern confrontation in the Middle East.

The lethal capabilities of the "Merkava" in terms of fighting enemy infantry units are increased by a 60-mm light mortar, which can fire from the tower, dropping anti-personnel shells at targets outside the line of sight - behind a wall or on another hillside.

Consequently, the tank's crew may not even use the potential of their main weapon, and this circumstance is also very important precisely in the context of the fight against the militants of numerous radical groups, which are currently the main opponents of Israel.

Finally, the tank "Merkava" can act as an excellent "battering ram", after which the infantry units of the IDF will go into the attack. In general, the Israeli tank really, from the point of view of the American author, can be recognized as the best in the world.
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  1. +33
    28 July 2021 10: 57
    Quite right. He's the best.
    However, it should be added: in its theater of operations. hi
    1. +19
      28 July 2021 11: 15
      The best one that is in demand (bought) is the T-90, Abrams, Leoperd, Leclerc, China to some extent.
      1. +17
        28 July 2021 12: 26
        Quote: mark1
        The best one that is in demand (buy)
        There was such an anecdote in the Soviet era - in a store a buyer to the seller "Do you have black caviar?" The seller, - "No, it is not in demand. Here, wait a minute and listen, will anyone ask." So it is with the "Merkava".

        Alexander Privalov made the right accent - "on his theater of operations." Naturally, the "Merkava" is a good tank, but the best one for its region, for the IDF. This is a practical, reasonable specialization, for your region, your enemies and allies. In Europe, he has nothing to do, although many solutions could be borrowed. This tank is specialized for its geographic environment, but rather versatile, like a combat vehicle. In fact, this is a tank and an infantry fighting vehicle in one bottle.
      2. -2
        28 July 2021 20: 01
        It is not in demand for one simple reason, it is not made for sale, but exclusively for internal use!
      3. -1
        29 July 2021 21: 37
        They don't buy the best, they buy more from those who know how to sell better. That is, a housewife from two packs of washing powder will choose the one that appears more often on TV.
    2. +27
      28 July 2021 11: 21
      The author of this article, Ilya Polonsky, praised the Merkava as the best (and the American Chris Osborne, in contrast to the loud headline in the "American press", only spoke about races with Soviet ... apparently thirty-fours). Alexander Privalov supported the aspirations of Ilya Polonsky and confirmed this. But there were no buyers for the "best tank". But ATGM "Kornet-E" is sold like hot cakes wassat thanks to the Merkava, which was perforated by advertisers from Hezbollah. A certain American report speaks of the destruction of 164 Merkavs, the Israelis recognized 46. We willingly believe them, like Ilya Polonsky, and the confirmation of Alexander Privalov laughing can't they deceive us? Indeed.
      1. +18
        28 July 2021 11: 24
        crow, crows eyes will not peck out !!)
        1. +7
          28 July 2021 11: 29
          There is also a proverb about a rooster and a cuckoo, but we will not quote it because of our deep respect for our former fellow citizens. laughing
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      2. +3
        28 July 2021 18: 58
        Not 146, but 292. And the Jews recognized 5 lost irretrievably and 52 wounded. negative laughing
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      4. +2
        2 August 2021 10: 08
        What does the Cornet have to do with the tank? Merkava 4 can rightfully be considered the best MBT suitable for use on various theaters. The fact that it is not sold as widely as the MBT of Russia, the United States and other developed countries does not mean at all that this is a bad tank. It's just that the Israelis in this case put the protection of the crew and the landing force at the forefront and not the benefit from its sales. Maybe Russian tanks would be no worse if we finally learned to count their tankers one by one and take care of the life of each of them. Well, in terms of the electronic equipment of the Merkava 4, including its network-centric capabilities, the Merkava 4 also has a lot that would not hurt to borrow. And now such opportunities are expensive.
        1. -1
          2 August 2021 11: 59
          The cornet has absolutely nothing to do with it, for the export inclinations of the Merkava and eliminated wassat When they start scratching about a super-duper modern tank, it's funny to me that instead of an automatic loader, a slave loader sits and sideways back wassat And rub your buzzword "network-centric" into this loader wassat Closer to the details. The Merkava-4 itself is a third of a designer made of imported parts, including an American engine (licensed German), which constantly breaks down and has a low resource. Imported transmission, and the gun is Rheinmetal modification. Therefore, German ears stick out from the Merkava, like the Korean, Turkish and Indian tanks. Therefore, equating Israel's novice tank builders with the same Germans ... is counterproductive. And let them teach not us, but women to cook cabbage soup wassat And Leclercs with Challengers are sold by the hundreds, not to mention American and Russian tanks, and then the Chinese entered the market. Therefore, the invisible hand of the market judged everything, where the buyer assesses the protection of the crew, and the advanced loader, and the problematic force, therefore, no one glared at this "best" muck.
    3. -2
      28 July 2021 11: 56
      Quite right. He's the best.
      However, it should be added: in its theater of operations.

      How does he fight with such a high center of gravity in the deserts? ))))

      Only due to the training of the crew)))
      1. +9
        28 July 2021 16: 37
        ANY tank, like a steamer, can be put on board or even overkil made.
        1. 0
          28 July 2021 16: 44
          ANY tank, like a steamer, can be put on board or even overkil made.

          Like any car, some are easy to turn over, others are more difficult.
          And here the center of gravity plays a key role, and in the Merkava it is high compared to the T-72.
          1. +7
            28 July 2021 16: 48
            and at the Merkava it is high compared to the T-72.
            and that means that -
            How does he fight with such a high center of gravity in the deserts? ))))
            how is he fighting? They say he fights well. Generally copes with their tasks. Ask our "friends" from there. Although they are not allies to us, their comments are mostly balanced.
            1. -1
              28 July 2021 16: 50
              how is he fighting? They say he fights well.

              Yes ? Well, put the Indians at the levers, and I'll see how they ride the dunes on the Merkava)))
              1. +7
                28 July 2021 16: 52
                Well put the Indians at the levers

                What have the Indians got to do with it? If the "Chariot" was designed and used exclusively in the IDF?
                1. -1
                  28 July 2021 16: 57
                  What have the Indians got to do with it? If the "Chariot" was designed and used exclusively in the IDF?

                  Yes ? So maybe it's not an excellent tank then, but just a well-trained crew? )))
                  And with an ordinary crew, the tank will appear in a completely different light? )))
                  1. +5
                    28 July 2021 16: 59
                    So maybe ....

                    Nothing will change from your dummy and wishlist. Stop flooding. And you are not friends with logic. So adios.
                    1. -2
                      28 July 2021 17: 04
                      Stop flooding.

                      Well, yes, well, yes, there was a little criticism and right away - enough to flood? ))) Vera, she is so yes)))
                      And you are not friends with logic

                      Like you, you cut off even the slightest variants of events)))
                      1. +3
                        28 July 2021 17: 06
                        Well, yes, well, yes, a little criticism went a little and immediately - enough flooding
                        this is not a criticism. It is called trolling I did not notice anything constructive except for general phrases in the "hurray-patriotic" key. I prefer to conduct a dialogue with serious and adult people.
                      2. -8
                        28 July 2021 17: 10
                        I did not notice anything constructive except for general phrases in the "hurray-patriotic" key. I prefer to conduct a dialogue with serious and adult people.

                        Blah blah blah ))))
                        The video clearly shows that even a small mound is a serious obstacle for the Merkava.
                        And everything else is just your Jewish jingoistic patriotism.
                      3. +7
                        29 July 2021 16: 41
                        The video clearly shows
                        the video shows that the tank fell into the ravine. Do you distinguish a ravine from a hillock? About -
                        only your Jewish jingoistic patriotism
                        If you carefully (which I doubt) look at my nickname, and put some mental effort recourse then (probably) you will understand that the 25th region was previously designated Primorsky Krai (if Russia is not aware of it). The 125th region is now designated.
                        Now I live in the 178th region.
                        And again about patriotism - in your understanding, apparently patriotism is "to find fault with someone else's and praise exclusively domestic things?" Regardless of the totality of characteristics, promising theater of operations, their features, tactics of use .. and so on and so forth?
                      4. -6
                        30 July 2021 18: 51
                        If you carefully (which I doubt) look at my nickname, and make some mental effort recourse, then (probably) you will understand that the 25th region was previously designated Primorsky Krai (if Russia is not in the know). The 125th region is now designated.
                        Now I live in the 178th region.

                        Aha-ahah, laughed to tears)))
                        As if a Jew cannot live in Russia and immediately Russophobia)))
                        Ahahaahah)))
                      5. +8
                        30 July 2021 19: 52
                        Aha ahah
                        ,
                        Ahahaahah)))
                        and .... all the reasons? My condolences. Are you a girl by any chance? I thought that "I came up with it myself, I was offended myself, I forgave myself" this refers to the female sex (ladies forgive me! feel ) It turns out not. They attributed my nationality and citizenship, and they themselves laughed at this. Hmmm ... and this is the future of Russia in your person. No really ... Well, he nafig such a future!
                        live in Russia and immediately Russophobic)))
                        a..where is Russophobia? laughing What did not say - "T-72 without straining will fill up a dozen Merkavs and a couple of Abrams for a snack?" wassat
                        Malche ... here is the Internet - on the one hand, a great thing! (no sarcasm) But on the other hand, it makes it possible to broadcast to millions of all sorts of morning stars, tributes to the Milokhin, fans of the flat Earth theory (you are not one of them by chance? wink ) in general to people who are alternatively gifted.
                      6. +5
                        31 July 2021 00: 11
                        Quote: Region-25.rus
                        They attributed my nationality and citizenship, and they themselves laughed at this.

                        The funny thing is that your opponent is not scribbling his posts from Russia, but he constantly takes the liberty of speaking on behalf of the citizens of the Russian Federation. I myself am from the Far East, but this character has repeatedly called my permanent residence Haifu. fool Here we can use one term - pathology ... wassat
                      7. +6
                        31 July 2021 09: 41
                        Yes, and so it is clear that he is an ordinary troll hi
                      8. +4
                        31 July 2021 12: 40
                        Quote: Region-25.rus
                        Yes, and so it is clear that he is an ordinary troll

                        Yes Most likely, also on the salary.
                      9. +4
                        31 July 2021 12: 52
                        Most likely, also on the salary.
                        if so, then the curators pay in vain))) Works primitively laughing
                  2. +4
                    29 July 2021 11: 12
                    Quote: lucul
                    but just a well-trained crew? )))
                    And with an ordinary crew, the tank will appear in a completely different

                    This means that all crews in Israel are well trained. Regular crews shoot at a tank biathlon near Moscow, hitting targets at the edge of the forest.
                    1. -9
                      29 July 2021 11: 23
                      This means that all crews in Israel are well trained.

                      Pffff ... for which money is not a pity.
                      Before World War II, Japanese pilots were trained for 7 years, German pilots for 3 years, and we have 3-month courses.
                      Therefore, no one forbids Israel to strengthen the training of tank crews, especially with free American money, which annually, in the form of handouts, are poured into the Israeli military budget.
                      1. +11
                        29 July 2021 11: 30
                        Quote: lucul
                        Therefore, no one forbids Israel to strengthen the training of tank crews, especially with free American money, which annually, in the form of handouts, are poured into the Israeli military budget.

                        I beg you, do not write about what you do not know ... Money from the United States is not credited to the Israeli budget. They remain in the US budget and, within the limits provided by law, allow Israel to purchase weapons from the US. Therefore, Israel organized a number of joint ventures in the United States (with Raytheon, for example), on which it produces its equipment with American money and exports it to Israel. Am I making it clear?
                      2. +4
                        29 July 2021 16: 57
                        and we have 3-month courses
                        Where does this information come from? From post-perestroika pseudo historians? Or poor TV series like "The Fighters"?
                      3. +4
                        30 July 2021 20: 03
                        Before World War II, Japanese pilots were trained for 7 years, German pilots for 3 years, and we have 3-month courses.
                        Why were the Americans allowed in? British? And where are those Japanese, German aces with many years of training? The Japanese ended by 1943, the Battle of Midway was mowed down, the German ones, too, came out a little later. wink
                2. -2
                  29 July 2021 11: 58
                  So are these tanks being put up for sale with Jewish crews?
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    4. +16
      28 July 2021 12: 29
      Yoksel-moxel! Alexander, I think, correctly said: maybe the best; but on "his" theater of operations! Do these "minus players" have brains? I doubt ! "Merkava" was created and improved precisely in the Middle East theater of operations! But I do not mind that a certain oligarch bought an old second-hand "Merkava" (but not the very first modification ...!) And drove it around the Russian open spaces! 1.Near Murmansk and Norilsk in winter ... 2. Crimean mountains; 3. In the spring flood of the Volga basin ... 4. In the Far Eastern and Siberian taiga ... In the winter in a blizzard ... In the autumn rainy seasons ... In the spring periods of snow melting ... I even have a disk (flash drive) with vidos ready to pay!
      1. +6
        28 July 2021 17: 03
        Do these "minus players" have brains?
        what for? The main thing is that it can be overturned! So from this it is concluded that the tank is a turd.
    5. +3
      28 July 2021 12: 36
      Quite right. He's the best.
      However, it should be added: in its theater of operations.

      Some of the Merkava's capabilities would be useful in our theater of operations. For example-
      The lethal capabilities of the "Merkava" in terms of fighting enemy infantry units are increased by a 60-mm light mortar, which can fire from the tower, dropping anti-personnel shells at targets outside the line of sight - behind a wall or on another hillside

      Tankers lacked such weapons in Chechnya ..
      1. +4
        28 July 2021 15: 52
        Well, such proposals were received ... and repeatedly ... But the Ministry of Defense did not react. One of these proposals "concerned" 57-mm LPO, for example ... There were also proposals to use "smoke" mortars for firing HE grenades ...
        1. +2
          28 July 2021 16: 36
          One of these proposals "concerned" 57-mm LPO, for example

          I don't know what it is. And it would be better to use AGS, only with the use of a remote crane to reduce the distance of the mounted firing.
      2. 0
        28 July 2021 16: 45
        Tankers lacked such weapons in Chechnya ..

        Now the gorse is being worked out, for these purposes it is good.
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    7. +2
      28 July 2021 14: 40
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Quite right. He's the best.

      ========
      Well, of course ... After all, Israeli is ALWAYS the "best" .... bully
      --------------
      Quote: A. Privalov
      However, it should be added: in its theater of operations.

      ========
      It should be added that he (TVD) very specific..... Because "Merkava" and not in demand on the world arms market .... (although in Israel they argue that it is solely because production capacity is limited and "ourselves are not enough" ...).
      In fact, although "Carrot" is a tank indeed uncommonbut very specific! Find places where he would be equally effective - very difficult!
      And therefore - all the benefits "Merkavas" consist precisely in the fact that it was created for a SPECIFIC (and very limited) theater of operations and purely SPECIFIC (also very specific) tasks!
      hi
    8. +2
      29 July 2021 19: 05
      I absolutely agree with you. "Merkava" has no equal precisely in the geographical conditions of Israel. The tank was created to protect the borders of its country. To consider the "Merkava" as an enemy to other tanks follows only from this.
  2. +3
    28 July 2021 10: 58
    So good and probably one of the best for its area of ​​use.
    1. +3
      28 July 2021 11: 16
      Have you tried to start this "Merkava" in a frost of 40 degrees?
      And then immediately "the best, the best" .... In the cold, he vaasche no, there is no stove in it. laughing
      1. +8
        28 July 2021 12: 21
        You probably do not know how to read or read my message through the line.
        1. -2
          29 July 2021 08: 42
          I even gave you a plus sign. My appeal was not specifically to you, but in general. Binding to the terrain a priori assumes binding to the climate, so I linked my post to yours. drinks
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      3. +1
        28 July 2021 16: 04
        WHY AMERICAN diesel (one of the best in the world) should be afraid of 70 ° C? By the way, where is 70 ° C? IN ANTARCTICA?
    2. +1
      29 July 2021 12: 47
      Quote: LinxS
      So good and probably one of the best for its area of ​​use.

      It is almost always used as an ACS. It is not clear why he needs a smoothbore gun at all.
  3. +14
    28 July 2021 10: 59
    Until Merkava is announced for tank biathlon, it is not worth talking about the best in the world.
    And if it’s a decent car, seriously, and by the totality of its characteristics, it can be classified as the best.
    1. 0
      28 July 2021 11: 06
      Quote: Kars
      Until Merkava is announced for tank biathlon, it is not worth talking about the best in the world.
      And if it’s a decent car, seriously, and by the totality of its characteristics, it can be classified as the best.

      Nobody will poke a seventy-ton piece of iron for the sake of show-off.
      At BV, he copes with his tasks, well, okay.
      1. Maz
        -10
        28 July 2021 11: 53
        Quote: A. Privalov
        Quote: Kars
        Until Merkava is announced for tank biathlon, it is not worth talking about the best in the world.
        And if it’s a decent car, seriously, and by the totality of its characteristics, it can be classified as the best.

        Nobody will poke a seventy-ton piece of iron for the sake of show-off.
        At BV, he copes with his tasks, well, okay.

        So she will not catch with her 75 tons, we have rivers, forests, swamps and rains, as well as snow, ice and frost under minus 30-40C, gullies, slopes, mountains, skyscrapers and full of hidden points for shelling and weapons that will blow for started all the attached delicate and high-precision Judeo-American equipment on the surface of the tank (especially the Trophy) from sights, radars and sensors, to antennas and jam the tower, and then you can blindly fight for the title of the best tank of our time. This is only the usual means used by infantry and infantry fighting vehicles. And we also have drones, planning bombs, Cornet, Whirlwind, Chrysanthemum, anti-tank homing Hurricane ... and so on and so on. Oh, do not make me laugh at the European theater - Big, Fat, High Target
        1. +10
          28 July 2021 12: 39
          Quote: Maz
          we have rivers, forests, swamps and rains,

          This is where you have it? In Bat Yam? You either take off the cross or put on your pants.

          (someone should have said this to Mazu. Tradition. Today - me)
          1. +5
            28 July 2021 12: 56
            Quote: avib
            Quote: Maz
            we have rivers, forests, swamps and rains,

            This is where you have it? In Bat Yam? You either take off the cross or put on your pants.

            (someone should have said this to Mazu. Tradition. Today - me)

            You know how hard it is for him in Israel to hang around in a foreign land, without rivers, rains, swamps and snows. So he is toiling, sick.
            True, he does not refuse the Zionist shekels. He takes it without hesitation.
            And what, the idiot has taken root, the allowance is given to those who have come in full size, why not now a dear fellow not to splash at the benefactors?
            In a word, grandfather Krylov correctly wrote: "A pig under an oak tree."
            1. -1
              28 July 2021 17: 59
              Quote: A. Privalov
              In a word, grandfather Krylov correctly wrote: "A pig under an oak tree."

              Yes, not only under an oak tree
              Many people like the Israeli freebie, but they behave calmly, realizing that the freebie may end one day. Apparently there is a mind!
              1. +2
                28 July 2021 18: 06
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                Many people like Israeli freebies

                These are the Haifa smart ones, and the Bat-Yam ones - you yourself can see which ones.
                1. -1
                  28 July 2021 18: 20
                  Quote: A. Privalov
                  These are the Haifa smart ones, and the Bat-Yam ones - you yourself can see which ones.

                  We need to connect them, can learn where they live there
            2. +3
              29 July 2021 13: 01
              Quote: A. Privalov
              You know how hard it is for him in Israel to hang around in a foreign land, without rivers, rains, swamps and snows. So he is toiling, sick.


              1. +4
                29 July 2021 13: 06
                Yes, there is everything - and rains and rivers, I apologize streams overflow the banks. But this is during the rainy season, in winter. And naturally there are snowdrifts in the north at the same time ...
        2. +4
          28 July 2021 19: 25
          Quote: Maz
          And we also have drones, planning bombs, Cornet, Whirlwind, Chrysanthemum, anti-tank homing Hurricane ... and so on and so on.

          How much you have new in Bat Yam. fellow
    2. +1
      28 July 2021 11: 07
      Quote: Kars
      Until Merkava is announced for tank biathlon

      Good joke, they will declare only if the competition is held in the Golan bully
      1. +3
        28 July 2021 12: 18
        Quote: Dym71
        Quote: Kars
        Until Merkava is announced for tank biathlon

        Good joke, they will declare only if the competition is held in the Golan bully


        Joking really - so-so ...
        Similar to the joke about the hedgehog - "I am strong, but light" ...
        So now tank biathlon is a "very light" competition ...
    3. -6
      28 July 2021 11: 12
      Quote: Kars
      Until Merkava is announced for tank biathlon, it is not worth talking about the best in the world.
      And if it’s a decent car, seriously, and by the totality of its characteristics, it can be classified as the best.

      Do you not know that such a concept does not exist at all. And so you're right on the set of characteristics is quite a decent car.
      1. +6
        28 July 2021 11: 38
        Rather, the concept is too vague, especially against the background of a too narrow club of tank building states.

        The best could be a T-55 with a blackbird. Merkav if it is typed for 4 hundred it will be good. And the t55ad could have been put up several thousand at a time.
        Massive, available for crews with basic training, easy to repair, with anti-nuclear protection. Large ammunition load, large power reserve.

        But this is so the lyrics.
        1. mvg
          +7
          28 July 2021 14: 07
          And the t55ad could have been put up several thousand at a time.

          They already exhibited 800 against 88 cars. The result is known. A couple of hundred surrendered, the rest burned down or retreated ... And there were not even Merkava 4, but all sorts of Centurions with L-7 105 mm
          1. +5
            28 July 2021 14: 22
            Of course I remember, just why be ashamed, let's 1200 pieces against 50.
            1. +3
              28 July 2021 19: 27
              In two waves of attack, about a thousand against 170
              First wave 600
        2. +3
          28 July 2021 18: 35
          Quote: Kars
          And the t55ad could have been put up several thousand at a time.

          Yes you are right
          During the 1967 war with the Arab countries, Israel captured a very large number of T-55 main tanks that the Soviet Union had supplied to the Arab bloc, and Israel immediately deployed them under the Tiran name.
          The original 100mm D-10T2S cannon on the T-55 battle tank was not powerful enough, they replaced it with a standard Western-style 105mm M68 cannon.
          By the early 1990s, Tiran tanks were obsolete, but instead of being melted down, Israel took the unexpected step of removing the guns, changing the interior, turning the T-55 tanks into an armored personnel carrier called the Achzarit.
          Currently, the Israel Defense Forces are armed with about 100 armored personnel carriers.
          Achzarit. was reinforced with protective armor, the design of the frame with the landing door behind the machine was changed.
          The Achzarit armored vehicle can carry 7 soldiers with full equipment and a crew of 3, including the driver, gunner and commander in charge of combat communications.
          1. +1
            28 July 2021 18: 44
            Apparently the letters HELL didn't tell you anything.
            1. +1
              28 July 2021 19: 01
              Quote: Kars
              Apparently the letters HELL didn't tell you anything.

              In the situation I described, it didn't matter.
              Tanks are not knocked out where HELL works and captured whole intact thrown, and throw it all the same with HELL or without.
              1. +1
                28 July 2021 19: 05
                Then why did you describe your situation, and even more so you protested me.?
                I'm too lazy to post a photo of cubes with m48 with a blazer if that.
    4. -4
      28 July 2021 12: 07
      and why
      by passing the parade
      on Red Square?
      all supposedly best candidates drop out immediately.
    5. +13
      28 July 2021 12: 17
      Quote: Kars
      Until Merkava is announced for tank biathlon, it is not worth talking about the best in the world.


      At biathlon, is there a comparison on the security of cars?
      Crew survivability?
      Shelling there with grenade launchers, anti-tank guns, missiles ..
      And what would be necessary with the crew.
      See how many will survive and if they survive, then how they will leave the car, etc.
      Well, to find out the real combat stability ..

      And the fact that someone runs and jumps faster means nothing at all ...
      1. +6
        28 July 2021 12: 28
        Well, at least we will be able to assess the running characteristics, but what is all the same, in addition to advertising statements, is a suo hunter.
        1. mvg
          0
          28 July 2021 14: 09
          yourself a suo hunter.

          At least LAHAT hits the mark, unlike Reflex ... and the wildly yelling commentator. Worse than Cherdantsev in Holland-Russia.
          PS: And the Reflex passes so calmly 8 meters above the target. And these are the best crews
          1. +2
            28 July 2021 14: 16
            I have not personally seen. Except for commercials. The Aoi journalists are doing their job, and I don't think that if a lakhat was fired against Hamas, then the blunders became public knowledge.
            And at the biathlon everything is in front of the public.
            1. mvg
              +2
              29 July 2021 03: 48
              what if lahatom was fired against Hamas

              Too bold for Hamas. Enough OFS M339 Kalanite and a mortar.
    6. +13
      28 July 2021 12: 32
      Until Merkava is announced for tank biathlon


      Let's put the RPG infantry in a trench at the biathlon, cover it with helicopters with ATGMs, aviation and air defense. We'll cover the field with mines. Yes, all this in the fall in impassable mud. We will blow up the railway, we will destroy the bridges ... wassat And so that fuel, food and ammunition yourself ...
      It is possible to undermine tactical vigorous loaf for the audience, so that chemists can find work ...

      Found, damn it, the criterion - tank biathlon.
      A tank is like a tank. Does the job. To take Jews for fools is also stupid. And the ATGMs and KAZ from them, yes, command respect. People work.
      1. +1
        28 July 2021 14: 21
        And if, according to the results, we accept as an introductory fact that the tank survived the same yadrenbaton and the rest of the buns, but someone else should bring everything forward, through areas contaminated with radiation and suppression of the remaining firing points in the ranks, and oncoming tank battles. This is reflected in the tank biathlon.
        Probably I should add that about biathlon it seems like a joke, but with a grain of truth.
  4. -5
    28 July 2021 10: 59
    He's really great. But only at its own theater. It was created for him and made under specific threats. In any other direction, all its virtues will disappear.
    1. +3
      28 July 2021 11: 02
      not all, but finding himself somewhere in Europe, he will simply be a good tank, one of the.
      1. -2
        28 July 2021 11: 10
        In Europe, he will drown in swamps in a place with all the Leopards., Abrams and other no honor))
        1. +7
          28 July 2021 11: 44
          Something Leopards with all sorts of Leclercs still have not drowned in Europe.
          1. -8
            28 July 2021 11: 52
            Something Leopards with all sorts of Leclercs still have not drowned in Europe.

            So tanks do not go there on the road))))
            1. mvg
              -3
              28 July 2021 14: 12
              off-road tanks

              Seriously?
            2. -2
              28 July 2021 18: 46
              Quote: lucul
              This is how tanks do not drive off-road there.

              And if necessary, they will learn.
        2. -1
          28 July 2021 12: 00
          On any soft ground. Not only in Europe.
  5. -3
    28 July 2021 11: 00
    Until the first Bayraktar this tank. Author amerikos, why not Avrams the best ??? Apparently someone opened a tender for the purchase of tanks, so the article went
    1. +5
      28 July 2021 13: 05
      The last modification of the "Abarams" will be equipped with the Israeli active defense "Trophy", so the American is being crucified.
      And the "Merkava" is one of the best tanks. And the best tank is a tank on the enemy airfield, like the best air defense.
    2. +2
      28 July 2021 15: 03
      Until the first Bayraktar this tank.


      "Bayraktarik" to the war? Do you feel sorry for the dove of peace and the shepherd of sheep? Is that against the cavalry of Budyonny with only sabers bald.
  6. 0
    28 July 2021 11: 01
    If you want peace, fight constantly.
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    1. -1
      28 July 2021 12: 02
      lol Surely it meant protection from torpedo attacks when wading through water obstacles. He can do that too! wassat
      1. +5
        28 July 2021 12: 10
        I once watched a Palestinian militant wade the great Jordan River. The guy was water below the waist.
        He did not drag the torpedo. And only a bag. As it turned out later, it contained a pistol and wheat cakes.
        1. +2
          28 July 2021 12: 12
          Why, he didn't drag the torpedo! wink Here recently about one grandfather, a collector from Germany, they wrote that in addition to the Panther tank, he also had a torpedo in his garage! am
          The author put too much trust in the translator from Google.
        2. mvg
          0
          28 July 2021 14: 14
          He did not drag the torpedo

          You were inconsiderate. He threw the torpedo during the arrest.
        3. -2
          28 July 2021 19: 34
          Quote: voyaka uh
          I once watched a Palestinian militant wade the great Jordan River. The guy was water below the waist.
          He did not drag the torpedo. And only a bag. As it turned out later, it contained a pistol and wheat cakes.

          Was there no hummus? Here's a pervert
          Pita without hummus - money down the drain negative
  8. +1
    28 July 2021 11: 06
    Urya, tankos..ch. And after all, I have never been to VO.
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  10. -4
    28 July 2021 11: 07
    This is an Israeli tank, for Israeli crews and for the territory where they live, everything else is lyrics ...
  11. -4
    28 July 2021 11: 09
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Quite right. He's the best.
    However, it should be added: in its theater of operations. hi

    Well, yes, considering what kind of Arabs are warriors, the slightest incomprehensible kipesh and hands up the hill or scrape that sliders lose.
  12. +4
    28 July 2021 11: 09
    For me, I like the chariot tower, it ricochets from all angles. And from the top, you still have to get in. They appreciate the life of their tankers.
    1. +5
      28 July 2021 11: 46
      Quote: tralflot1832
      like the chariot tower, ricochet from all angles.

      Something not really rebuked

      Pay attention to the frontal armor of the turret without the body kit
      1. 0
        28 July 2021 11: 57
        Thank you, I just do not know these resources where you get this information. Without a body kit, an Israeli is like a herring in a barrel. How do they fit there? There was no penetration in the photo, and the second projectile was there and all the kerdy. On the BTR50 pumas we have In the state there was RPG 7. Laughing, after 200 meters we are not even afraid of Lepa. It looks like the action of the RPG, in the photo. There are no vulnerable tanks, about 15 years ago in Gaza, Merkava ran into an anti-tank mine, only rollers remained.
        .
        1. +7
          28 July 2021 13: 15
          Quote: tralflot1832
          15 years ago, in Gaza, the Merkava ran into an anti-tank mine, only the rollers remained.


          It was not an "anti-tank mine", but a 300-kilogram land mine in a fuel cell.
          So anyone can post, but let's be realistic. No tank can hold such a thing.
          1. 0
            28 July 2021 15: 02
            Intelligence is to blame? But then you accused us of transferring anti-tank technologies.
        2. 0
          28 July 2021 13: 44
          It was not a mine, but a cauldron buried in the ground, filled with over 100 kg of explosives.
        3. +1
          28 July 2021 19: 37
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Thank you, I just do not know these resources where you get this information. Without a body kit, an Israeli is like a herring in a barrel. How do they fit there? There was no penetration in the photo, and the second projectile was there and all the kerdy. On the BTR50 pumas we have In the state there was RPG 7. Laughing, after 200 meters we are not even afraid of Lepa. It looks like the action of the RPG, in the photo. There are no vulnerable tanks, about 15 years ago in Gaza, Merkava ran into an anti-tank mine, only rollers remained.
          .

          On a land mine of 500 kilos
          1. +1
            28 July 2021 19: 48
            We learned this news on the flight, were in England. No one was happy, at least at our MCO table.
            1. -2
              28 July 2021 22: 19
              Duc for you this is from the series "in Cameroon, opposition fighters knocked out of the RPG LOU donated by the Americans to Bradley." No emotion.
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      1. +3
        28 July 2021 11: 40
        Zaboristo, I would not have guessed! laughing
        1. +1
          28 July 2021 17: 14
          Now no one will guess why the comment was removed, I don’t understand ... is it possible that someone was offended?
          1. +1
            28 July 2021 17: 18
            Removed because the article was changed, there are no more underwater grenades. laughing
            1. +2
              28 July 2021 17: 22
              And in vain, it was a good topic, it cheered up many. laughing
  15. +4
    28 July 2021 11: 22
    Quote: Andrey1978
    Apparently someone opened a tender for the purchase of tanks, so the article went

    The chariot is not for sale for export.
    1. 0
      28 July 2021 18: 29
      Quote: looker-on
      The chariot is not for sale for export.

      Singapore 2014
  16. -5
    28 July 2021 11: 22
    He has proven himself well in battle.
    Interestingly, the author will be able to indicate at least one tank battle of Israel against the enemy, which would have an equivalent technique and in the same quantity with the appropriate infrastructure, in order to understand how the real possibilities differ from the bragging of today's Israelis. There is no need to give examples of fifty years ago - the ones that were in the 21st century are better.
    1. -4
      28 July 2021 12: 14
      in the 21st century there were real
      tank battles of "opponents who would have equivalent equipment and in the same quantity with the appropriate infrastructure, in order to understand how real possibilities differ from bragging" ... (Israelis,
      Russians, Americans ... - substitute the necessary)?
      where, for example, T-72 ..80..90 and
      even more so 14 would show themselves? besides biathlon?
      1. -4
        28 July 2021 12: 20
        Quote: sidoroff
        even more so 14 would show themselves? besides biathlon?

        Will the 2003 Iraq War suit you as an example? Saddam had a lot of Soviet equipment there.
        1. +7
          28 July 2021 12: 46
          Quote: ccsr
          Quote: sidoroff
          even more so 14 would show themselves? besides biathlon?

          Will the 2003 Iraq War suit you as an example? Saddam had a lot of Soviet equipment there.


          Well, how did she show herself?
          1. 0
            28 July 2021 13: 03
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Well, how did she show herself?

            This is how the Americans fought, not the Israelis, and on their own equipment, not on Israeli. So the question looks silly ...
    2. +3
      28 July 2021 13: 48
      The Battle of the Bekaa Valley in 1982?
    3. -1
      28 July 2021 19: 43
      Quote: ccsr
      He has proven himself well in battle.
      Interestingly, the author will be able to indicate at least one tank battle of Israel against the enemy, which would have an equivalent technique and in the same quantity with the appropriate infrastructure, in order to understand how the real possibilities differ from the bragging of today's Israelis. There is no need to give examples of fifty years ago - the ones that were in the 21st century are better.

      And who had such fights? Except for the Americans in Iraq, with many reservations, in the 21st century no one with a plus or minus equal opponent has butted. Well, I also don't remember tank battles in the last Karayakh conflict.
      1. +1
        28 July 2021 19: 47
        Quote: Krasnodar
        And who had such fights? Except for the Americans in Iraq, with many reservations, in the 21st century no one with a plus or minus equal opponent has butted.

        Those. there is nothing to evaluate the Merkava as a battle tank, and this is a fact.
        1. -6
          28 July 2021 22: 16
          I agree. As well as the entire line after the T-72. Only the Abrams.
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    1. +1
      28 July 2021 11: 45
      Quote: Eroma
      It looks like nonsense and, in principle, logical, that's how it really is?

      Yes, this is nonsense. The exhaust goes to the side, the engine cover heats up more from the sun than from the engine itself and, accordingly, there are no problems with shooting forward. hi
      1. +1
        28 July 2021 16: 25
        Quote: professor
        The exhaust goes to the side, the engine cover heats up more from the sun than from the engine itself and, accordingly, there are no problems with shooting forward.

        Not warming up, say. Do you know that this engine (from Lopard-2) is precisely because of constant overheating (thanks to the layout) that the power was strangled from 1500 to 1200 l / s?
        PS
        I’m not about the shooting, but about the engine.
        1. 0
          28 July 2021 19: 04
          Quote: Bad_gr
          Are you aware that this engine (from Lopard-2)

          And the Israeli tank crews know that the engine in the Merkava is from the Leopard-2? wink In fact, the engine for the Merkava was specially developed by general Dynamics Land Systems in cooperation with MTU. There are no overheating problems even in our Palestine.

          Quote: Bad_gr
          I’m not about the shooting, but about the engine.

          There were problems with the engine resource at the beginning. Now there are no complaints.
          1. -1
            28 July 2021 19: 28
            Quote: professor
            And the Israeli tank crews know that the engine in the Merkava is from the Leopard-2? wink In fact, the engine for the Merkava was specially developed by general Dynamics Land Systems in cooperation with MTU. There are no overheating problems even in our Palestine.

            What Merkava are you talking about? I'm talking about the "Merkava Mk.4" which has:
            .... Unlike previous models equipped with various modifications of the Teledyne Continental Motors AVDS-1790 air-cooled diesel engine, the Merkava Mk.4 is equipped with a GD883 diesel engine from the American company General Dynamics (licensed production of the German diesel MTU883) with a water cooling capacity of 1500 hp. with. The engine is made in a single block with a 5-speed automatic transmission Renk RK 325 of the German company Renk. In 2012, it was stated that the engine has had reliability problems for 9 years and needs to be removed for repairs every 200 km of run, this data was actively reprinted by authoritative media and for 2015 was not officially refuted ...
            They reduced the power to 1200 l / s, and, apparently, this solved the problems with the resource and overheating.
            1. +2
              28 July 2021 19: 34
              Quote: Bad_gr
              What Merkava are you talking about? I'm talking about the "Merkava Mk.4" which has:

              This is a common mistake. there is not a "license engine", but Produced under cooperation between MTU and General Dynamics Land Systems...
            2. 0
              28 July 2021 21: 22
              It seems that all the fuss arose when, in 2012, the engines were refueled at one of the bases
              gasoline instead of diesel fuel and did not reconfigure something in the engine (I don’t understand this).
              Diesel should run on any fuel, but some tuning is needed.
              Fucked up 12 engines and tried to hide it.
              ====
              1200 hp is the Namer engine. Mekava-4 has 1500 hp left.
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    1. -3
      28 July 2021 11: 56

      Pavel57 (Gf)
      Today, 11: 33
      NEW
      +2
      VA
      Quote: voyaka uh
      laughing "protection from underwater rocket-propelled grenades ..." ///
      ----
      If it protects against UNDERWATER, then, of course, it is the best in the world.
      Anti-torpedo tank protection! wassat

      The author is a submariner?
      Yes, yes. From the word podOda! wink Synonyms - horseman, groom, etc. laughing
  20. -7
    28 July 2021 11: 46
    tank "Merkava" is constantly at war. He has proven himself well in battle. True, battles in recent years have increasingly been shelling of adjacent territories.
    he has not been fired at with an RPG-7 yet! laughing
    "is at war"! laughing
    stands in the ditch and shoots the BP,
    "is at war"! laughing
    And the article was also written by a Jew?
    about "protection from underwater jet grenades" - I am silent! laughing lol
    then he must write about his (tank) seaworthiness)), takeoff ceiling)), flight range)), etc. laughing wassat
  21. 0
    28 July 2021 11: 49
    Only Americans can nominate who is the best in the world!
    Today the American saber fencers have refused to go up against the Russian ones. Because they are already the best in the world, why should they still wave a saber?
  22. -3
    28 July 2021 12: 14
    If we disassemble this Israeli tank for parts, then almost all the parts will turn out to be European. From the German "Leopard" there are a good half of the parts, including the engine, transmission and tracks. Israeli design and build only. Well, even the body kit and Israeli electronics. This tank did not participate in any full-scale war, only in regional conflicts. In fact, this is a police tank that has shown itself well only in battles with Palestinians armed with small arms.
    1. 0
      28 July 2021 12: 46
      Quote: rotfuks
      This tank did not participate in a single full-scale war, only in regional conflicts.

      And which tank of the tanks currently in service took part in a full-scale war? (Is that Abrams in Iraq). Maybe you Donbass or Georgia 2008 or Karabakh refer to "full-scale" wars?
      1. -1
        28 July 2021 12: 55
        do you consider the invasion of Iraq a full-scale war? then maybe you know how many T-72 tanks of different modifications Saddam had? And what is the scale of the events in Syria?
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  24. -9
    28 July 2021 12: 39
    And in my opinion a complete th .. but!
  25. -5
    28 July 2021 12: 46
    Let this "best" on our soil and he will immediately get stuck. Heavy, kick-ass!
    1. 0
      28 July 2021 12: 55
      Will get stuck. "Tigers" and "Panthers" also got stuck. But they were almost the only means of keeping the tank breakthroughs of the Red Army in 1944. As a result, they still did not cope, everything has its own application.
    2. -1
      31 July 2021 22: 24
      Quote: garik77
      Let this "best" on our soil and he will immediately get stuck. Heavy, kick-ass!

      Minusologists are crappy, the merkava weighs 70 tons. On our bridges it will immediately fail, on our soil it will sink into muddy roads. About swamps and river floodplains, I generally keep quiet.
  26. +1
    28 July 2021 14: 01
    Merkava is not suitable for Europe at all, simply because it was made for its own theater of operations and no one was going to cross the Dnieper on it. It is a pity that the Poles did not buy this car, but chose Abrams. The American will not immediately get bogged down, for this he needs to start a turn, in a straight line he goes into a muddy road.
  27. +1
    28 July 2021 14: 07
    The 60mm mortar is intended for throwing smoke grenades, not for firing at infantry.
    1. +1
      28 July 2021 15: 41
      The lethal capabilities of the "Merkava" in terms of fighting enemy infantry units are increased by a 60-mm light mortar, which can fire from the tower, dropping anti-personnel shells at targets outside the line of sight - behind a wall or on another hillside.
      The author knows better :)
      1. +2
        28 July 2021 21: 53
        May be so. I am on one resource, var online or something, admired this mortar, and you can shoot at the infantry in the trenches. To which I was told that they do not use it for this, although it is possible. They shoot mainly with lighting or smoke mines.
        1. 0
          29 July 2021 12: 30
          Quote: vindigo
          To which I was told that they do not use it for this, although it is possible. They shoot mainly with lighting or smoke mines.

          This is quite reasonable, because when firing regular mines, an emergency can occur, and a penny mortar will destroy an expensive tank after the main ammo detonation.
          That is why the local "experts" bend more when firing mines from the tank turret - it is unlikely that a normal commander will allow this in closed positions, it is easier to fire mines at the enemy outside the tank turret. Well, in the line of sight of the enemy's positions, the tankers don't even need it - they have enough of their own charges of various types.
  28. 0
    28 July 2021 14: 08
    The price of the issue remained behind the scenes.
    1. -1
      28 July 2021 14: 31
      Quote: DmSol
      The price of the issue remained behind the scenes.

      The point is not even the price, but the fact that developed countries will not buy this tank, a number of Islamic countries all the more so, and poor and destitute countries remain. And they can’t afford this toy, and 70 tons is too mind-boggling weight, for regions with off-road terrain - it’s costly to transfer them when changing locations. That is why the Israelis have heaped up what suits them for their needs, and of course they will never put it up for the simplest competition with other tanks in the world. The same is with the NATO countries - they are afraid to participate in the tank biathlon, realizing that they are guaranteed failure. Although everyone knows how Americans love to show off their technology, but they somehow do not stutter about tanks, realizing that a bummer will come out. By the way, from the GSVG I know that the Americans did not practice firing from tanks on the move, only after stopping. But that was a very long time ago, now I don't know how things are with this exercise.
      1. +2
        28 July 2021 16: 59
        afraid to participate in tank biathlon


        It has already been discussed 100500 times that the connection between tank biathlon and military operations is completely absent from the word. What is the practical meaning of it?
        There is no action as part of a tank subunit (at least a company), no work with the infantry, with aviation, no checking how much the tank holds a projectile / RPG / ATGM hit, there is not even night firing.

        And who drives faster across an open field, it is possible to hang a plywood body kit on a tractor and arrange a race. Tank biathlon is another reality show for the public. It is necessary to call Nagiyev so that he would lead. He's good at big races. And everyone will sing along in the stands:
        Come on, Russia! Let's! Let's!
        Come on beautifully! Let's! Let's!
        1. -4
          28 July 2021 18: 12
          Quote: avib
          It has already been discussed 100500 times that the connection between tank biathlon and military operations is completely absent from the word. What is the practical meaning of it?

          So the Olympic Games differ from the physical training of military personnel - then they should not be held, excluding those athletes who get from the army to the national team?
          Quote: avib
          There is no action as part of a tank subunit (at least a company), no work with the infantry, with aviation, no checking how much the tank holds a projectile / RPG / ATGM hit, there is not even night firing.

          Our pilots from the Swifts group also do not participate in the exercises of the aviation regiments - and why cancel this flight show?
          Quote: avib
          Tank biathlon is another reality show for the public.

          So who's arguing with that? But as far as I know, the crews are from real tank regiments, not servicemen released from service. Here in the shelves, they work out everything you care about.
          Quote: avib
          ... It is necessary to call Nagiyev so that he would lead.

          Can't you do it yourself? Don't be shy, try ...
          1. 0
            28 July 2021 20: 21
            When there is nothing to say - on the person. What does the Olympiad and the physical training of military personnel have to do with it?
            1. -3
              28 July 2021 20: 30
              Quote: avib
              What does the Olympiad and the physical training of military personnel have to do with it?

              Despite the fact that you began to compare tank biathlon with the combat training of tank forces, although it is clear that these are completely different elements of the life of armored units. By the way, in addition to tank biathlon, several other similar competitions are held - do you think that this is not necessary at all?
              1. +1
                29 July 2021 08: 39
                Quote: ccsr
                By the way, in addition to tank biathlon, several other similar competitions are held - do you think that this is not necessary at all?

                I think that everything that is not directly related to combat training is just a waste of time and money. It is absolutely necessary to conduct competitions between military units - for example, in physical training, competitions for snipers, weapons operators. But all these "flight teams" and obstacle tank races are shows for the public. Moreover, expensive shows that do not bring any benefit and do not increase the combat readiness of the troops in any way.
                This is my personal opinion - no one has to agree - so don't take it so personally. It's okay for someone to have a different opinion than yours.
                1. -1
                  29 July 2021 12: 34
                  Quote: avib
                  I think that everything that is not directly related to combat training is just a waste of time and money.

                  Tell this to the NATO people, do they also not understand what they are doing?
                  "Strong Europe" (Strong Europe Tank Challenge) - tank competition between tank crews in the art of driving a tank and shooting accuracy from the main and secondary weapons installed on tanks, among the armed forces of different countries of the world. Competitions are held at the Grafenwöhr Germany training ground.

                  The competition is organized by the United States Army Command in Europe and the German Army Command. The competitions are designed to strengthen partnership, to ensure the development of interaction between the military of NATO and allied countries. The tests include 12 stages, including shooting in the offensive and defense, as well as performing a number of exercises, including driving combat vehicles, recognizing various targets, firing standard weapons, calling for fire support, evacuating a damaged tank, actions when the enemy uses weapons mass destruction.
                  1. -2
                    29 July 2021 13: 16
                    And you see how these teachings (not competitions) are going on. There are a lot of videos. For the last couple of years, Ukraine has taken part there. Tank group - 4 tanks. Orientation on the ground, repairing breakdowns in the field, team coordination, shooting in different conditions ...
                    1. -1
                      29 July 2021 13: 42
                      Quote: avib
                      And you see how these teachings (not competitions) are going on.

                      No need to change the subject - I showed you that there are tank competition between NATO tank crews and how to carry them out is decided on the basis of the ability to own armored vehicles. If they suck at it, then the program will be childish, and it's better not to remember the Ukrainian army at all, it fights on old Soviet technology.
                      1. -1
                        29 July 2021 14: 08
                        Quote: ccsr
                        the program will be for children

                        And what about an adult in the Russian tank biathlon?
                      2. -1
                        29 July 2021 14: 33
                        Quote: avib
                        And what about an adult in the Russian tank biathlon?

                        At least the time and speed of the crews.
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  30. +1
    28 July 2021 14: 19
    A 60 mm mortar on a tank is generally a powerhouse. For example, the Arabs sat down behind a hill, but it is dangerous to ride on a merkava over the hills, then they will drive a battery of tanks and "runaway!"
    1. -1
      28 July 2021 14: 42
      Not such a bad idea, by the way. If the rotation in the horizontal plane is provided by the rotation of the tower, and the vertical drive is already manual, then why not, especially if the space and dimensions allow.
      I can agree on the absurdity in the part that modern tanks are hung with protection and sights and so on without any measure. But such small mortars can be easily attached to the turrets of any armored personnel carriers, so the idea is quite worthy of attention. You can also screw an 82-mm mortar and use it on weak charges.
      1. +2
        28 July 2021 15: 32
        It is absurd to hang a mortar on a tank in everything, in storing ammunition for a mortar, in target designation for a mortar operator, the very presence of this operator or the assignment of operator duties to a crew member. A mortar is not a toy in general, but a rather serious and peculiar weapon and it is necessary to handle it knowledgeably and skillfully.
        1. -1
          28 July 2021 15: 40
          With an on-board computer, and equipped with navigation devices, calculations and guidance will not be a problem. And there really is nowhere to place ammunition in conventional tanks, but the "Merkava" tank is unusual, so there was a place in it.
          But such a mortar mount has its advantages, for example, a high speed of deployment and opening of fire. In fact, just remove the casing and prepare the mine. Although there will be a problem with serving, it is inconvenient to serve from the tower.
        2. +1
          28 July 2021 17: 02
          A mortar is not a toy in general, but a rather serious and peculiar weapon and it is necessary to handle it knowledgeably and skillfully.

          This is why they serve in Israel for 3 years - they have time to teach. And then, even before the age of 40, annual training camps and exercises. So there is no problem with that.
          1. 0
            28 July 2021 17: 10
            Don't talk about nonsense, they probably teach mortars, I don't know about their army, but nobody puts mortarmen in tanks, learn to read news from "bloggers".
            1. +2
              28 July 2021 17: 55
              Don't talk about nonsense, they probably teach mortars, I don't know about their army, but nobody puts mortarmen in tanks, learn to read news from "bloggers".

              Why is it so rude and categorical?
              I served myself. And in the tank, all 4 crew members, if anything, are able to replace each other - both the driver and the gunner and even the loader, not to mention the commander ...
              For the mortar, there is a ballistic computer - having received the coordinates of the target, it is not so difficult to shoot. Just a mortar is much easier to use than a gun. Maybe not so accurately ... but better than without a mortar.
              This is not the last merkava.
            2. +3
              28 July 2021 20: 22
              The 60mm mortar is as simple as a moo. Infantrymen are trained to handle in one
              class. Safety is the main time. And they teach a little about aiming.
              In the second lesson, I already got about from this toy + - 20-30 m
              That is enough to throw the enemy's infantry down on the ground and thwart the offensive. Or, conversely, cover the retreat of their guys.

              Of course, you can shoot more accurately from a tank.

              Not to be confused with 120 mm mortars, where specialists are taught ballistics, where tables, maps
              tablets, walkie-talkies, etc.
      2. 0
        28 July 2021 15: 33
        A 70-ton cart will certainly not stand half of the bridges and even roads. But the body kit of the tank is passive, active protection, the MSA will be at the highest level. And it's time for the Jews to think about the medium tank for export, but competition from the Russian Federation, China, oh, how difficult it will be, especially in shekels
  31. -6
    28 July 2021 15: 06
    In Belarus, he will immediately drown in the "Swamps".
  32. +4
    28 July 2021 16: 28
    "Armata"? ... No, they have not heard, they have not seen ... winked
  33. +1
    28 July 2021 16: 33
    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
    "Merkava" tank unusual

    Here I do not mind, given its underwater characteristics and the presence of a 60mm mortar, but some comrades, who are not at all comrades to us, categorically assert that a 60mm mortar is just a smokescreen, comrades do not disagree, we continue to discuss the installation of mortars on tanks: )
  34. +3
    28 July 2021 16: 39
    It is a pity that the authors from Israel write little here.
    An article about why a tank has a "dry" tower, ammo in containers, KAZ, what does the mass of 70 tons mean and what is "specific ground pressure", how a gunner's sight should work in the 21st century and how a commander should work, how it should be machine guns installed and operating, what shells should be for a modern tank (and why ATGM through the barrel is not very popular). How the protection on the tank should be done (hint - NOT LIKE on T72B3). How to make a "tank-bulance" from a tank. That the BC is more convenient to load into the hatch in the stern, and not into the tower, and it is more convenient to get out, too, not from a two-meter height, if anything. That you can carry troops inside (here are the Jews inventors, huh?), And not outside the tank. How to make the crew survive more often, for example, by wearing special suits. Etc.

    Here A. Privalov wrote about Kfir, it could be about the Merkava ...

    But on the other hand, it can help the owners of tanks, which are "technically reliable, with imperfect LMS and very explosive" to turn on the brain. And stop riding in tanks, for example, overlaid with shells, charges in quick-burning casings and fuel in the BO, right on the ramps, where the Zvi Gringolds are already waiting for them with narrow and "dry" towers. And what can please Gringolds & Co. more than a welcomingly open DZ like, for example, in the T72B3 in the forehead of the tower?
    1. 0
      28 July 2021 17: 49
      Quote: Wildcat
      Here A. Privalov wrote about Kfir, it could be about the Merkava ...

      It could be, but why?
      Everything that could be written about this tank was written and rewritten on VO. Search the site with the key "Merkava", without quotes, of course, and you will be convinced of this. Moreover, this project will no longer receive development, although it will serve well for many more years in the version of Merkava-4-Barak (Lightning).
      Apparently, the Office of Research and Development of Technological Weapons under the Israeli Ministry of Defense (MAPAT) already has a new concept for the development of Israeli armored vehicles for the coming years.
      1. +4
        29 July 2021 02: 16
        hi
        "You could, but why?"
        My opinion is that it would be at least interesting.
        I would like to see something more complete on VO on this topic (like a series of articles about T72B3 or Leopard 2). IMHO, this can probably be done normally only by an Israeli who has the opportunity not only to work with Israeli sources (written, photo, video, museum samples themselves), but also with the tankers themselves, some of whom have experience of service on Russian / American / British tanks and can be compared with the Merkava.
        Moreover, such articles cannot harm the IDF, since:
        - maximum since 1973, when the drawbacks of shoving flammable liquids, ammunition and living people into one volume became apparent (yes, more tightly!), nothing has changed and no one cares;
        - in the foreseeable future, no breakthrough in tank building and the supply of this "breakthrough" in thousands of units to the Arabs is not expected;
        - okay, if you have any doubts about security, you can stop with a detailed overview on Merkava 3 (it seems to be already leaving for the reserve), and Merkava 4 can simply be illustrated by beautiful girls from Karakal on the Egyptian border. feel Here in such an interesting style for everyone (if you look closely at the photo for a long time, you can see the Merkava tank feel )



        For you, many things related to the Merkava are obvious, but for me personally, the surprises began with some incredible story about how a woman doctor with a Russian name was in a combat zone in a tank (!) In which, judging by the context, not they simply evacuated the wounded (!!), and could provide them with qualified assistance, at least at the level of "stabilize the condition" (!!!).
        Then came across self-evident comparisons for the authors of the Shot with the Mages, where "The Shot was safer, the Mages were more comfortable, as a result of the Merkava and safer and more comfortable," suits that reduce the number of severe burns and overalls are better than a separate shirt and pants "," in Israel there is heat and snow and swamps with rivers and mountains - the Merkava works not only in flat desert conditions ", etc.
        And believe me, the fact that "the Merkava-4's trump card is accurate shooting during the day and especially at night from 2.5 - 3 km." for many, too, a surprise (IMHO, I came across information that in shootings with the Syrians, a hit into a tank from a distance of more than 3 km was recorded in the last century), for many, too, a discovery, "patamuchto more than 1,5 km is not necessary, teYatr actions are like that."
        Etc.

        The articles on VO are sketchy and are, at best, copies / translations of foreign sources, at worst (with a few exceptions) - the authors' own thoughts (it is simply not clear how the Merkavas are not yet in scrap metal): "The developers of the first modification of the tank allowed two engineering mistakes: - increased the height of the hull and placed the shoulder strap in the center of the hull.
        The first mistake led to a sharp increase in the reserve volume. As a result, the 70-ton "Merkava Mk.4" has a 1,42 times lower degree of security (3,18 tons / cubic meter) than the 50-ton T-90MS (4,54 tons / cubic meter).
        ...
        The second error led to a shift in the nose of the center of gravity of the machine. This causes a swing of the tank hull when firing on the move, negating the technical rate of fire of the gun provided by the semi-automatic loading mechanism.

        A direct consequence of the original layout of the "Merkava" is also the deteriorated accuracy of aiming the gun at the target when firing forward in the range of horizontal guidance angles of + -15 degrees with the engine running. ..... Therefore, the main method of firing the "Merkava" with the engine running is to turn the cannon to one side at an angle of more than 15 degrees, recorded on numerous photographs and video frames. At the same time, the tank automatically exposes its weakly protected side to the enemy's attack. "In general, trouble, trouble, trouble ... feel
        In principle, there is only one Russian-language book that I liked - Baryatinsky "Merkava and other tanks of Israel ..."
        There are other interesting sources in the Russian-speaking segment of the Israelis, as well as in Hebrew, which are more or less accessible, praise to the "auto-translation", but it's all somehow not right ... request
        1. +1
          29 July 2021 03: 16
          Quote: Wildcat
          The developers of the first modification of the tank made two more engineering mistakes: -

          Well, you yourself are a real connoisseur. You have information about which I have not even heard. request Actually, I did not set such a goal for myself and did not dig so deeply ... In a word, here the cards are in the hands not of me - an amateur billboard player, but real techies for whom reading performance characteristics at night is the most important thing. laughing hi
          1. +5
            29 July 2021 11: 28
            Hmm, we will assume that you have cleverly faked me, a humanist-reader- "walker of tank museums" who works at night feel .
            But I was not offended if something is not mine! hi
            The quote above is, IMHO, an example of non-obvious and unreliable conclusions that some authors make without having access to normal sources. The quote, by the way, was found on your recommendation: "Search the site with the key" Merkava ", without quotes."
            And the inhabitants of Israel have access to normal sources, ranging from Latrun and living Merkav users to the book "Steel was tempered in their hands: History of MASHA-7100, 1948-1996" which I could not find even in Hebrew (although all Israeli sources praise it). And the ladies from Caracal in the Merkavas also know where - the border with Egypt.
            In general, there are all the conditions for writing a series of articles by an amateur fiction writer, there are a huge number of objects for photographing and preparing illustrations. What if there is one in Israel?
            PS I apologize if my posts seemed impolite, please do not be offended.
            1. +4
              29 July 2021 11: 53
              Quote: Wildcat
              I apologize if my posts seemed impolite, please do not be offended.

              No hard feelings that you! Yes, and I was not going to pry you. If anything, plus from me. hi
  35. -2
    28 July 2021 18: 25
    in fact, the tank is a cut taller than the t-72 in the latest version in the combat units of the Russian Federation, it is most likely only appropriate to COMPARE it, starting at least from the T-90m to the T-14 ARMATA, but it does not reach it, at the same time the armature we have one two three
    1. +3
      28 July 2021 21: 33
      I think so too. In the oncoming duel, the T-90 and Merkava-4 will be on an equal footing,
      and the T-72 has many frontal "holes" that can be punched through.
      The frontal armor of the Merkava-4 is also not the strongest.
      The tank will be immobilized on penetration from the front, but will not ignite.
      And the tankers will not die.
      And the Merkava-4's trump card is accurate shooting during the day and especially at night from 2.5 - 3 km.
      Russian tanks have 1 km less.
      1. -2
        29 July 2021 12: 47
        Quote: voyaka uh
        And the Merkava-4's trump card is accurate shooting during the day and especially at night from 2.5 - 3 km.

        At this distance, if the projectile is not controlled by the ATGM type, at best you will hit by accident, and it is not a fact that you will hit the enemy's tank, even hitting it.
        So be careful with such statements - in a combat situation, we use other distances.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Russian tanks have 1 km less.

        Russian standards are closer to combat ones, which is why developers are very careful in assessing the characteristics of their products, and do not advertise them like Israelis. In general, as one tanker said, a rather large chief, only fools will begin to open fire in an oncoming battle from a distance of more than one kilometer, even now with all systems that increase the accuracy of fire.
        1. +3
          29 July 2021 13: 47
          "fools will begin to open fire in an oncoming battle from a distance of more than one kilometer" ///
          ---
          This is exactly how, in a clever way, the Egyptian and Syrian tankers began to fire - from 1 km,
          how they were taught by Soviet instructors.
          But by that time, 2/3 of their tanks were already on fire. And the accurate fire of the remaining 1/3 is already
          could not save the battle.
          1. 0
            29 July 2021 14: 06
            Quote: voyaka uh
            This is exactly how, in a clever way, the Egyptian and Syrian tankers began to fire - from 1 km,
            how they were taught by Soviet instructors.

            So they burned because the Arabs were sitting there, and not our tankers, and the provision of intelligence data for them was not up to par. You probably do not remember well how self-confident Israeli pilots faced Soviet air defense crews and how it ended for them. It would not hurt you to refresh your memory before talking about Soviet standards ...
    2. 0
      29 July 2021 01: 34
      In terms of LMS, yes! In terms of mobility on all types of soil? No!
      It is a highly specialized vehicle for its theater of operations and its respective opponents.
  36. +1
    28 July 2021 18: 41
    Look at him on the Voronezh chernozems ...
  37. 0
    28 July 2021 18: 43
    Quote: andreykolesov123
    Singapore 2014

    Tamerlane 1405. What are your intentions if nothing actually happened? Their 150+ Cheetahs 2 suit
  38. 0
    28 July 2021 18: 45
    Quote: V.A. Sh.
    Look at him on the Voronezh chernozems ...

    Let's better look at the general who will put his Merkava tanks in such conditions. This will not happen, and if it does, it will be in my Russia, alas (Do you remember Grozny and the conditions in which you put the tanks?)
  39. -1
    28 July 2021 19: 33
    Tex, gentlemen.
    "May be recognized as the best in the world"
    Merkava was created for its theater of operations, in Europe it is a kirdyk.
    The tank must be versatile. Work both in the north and in the south.
    Therefore, Merkava - because it is intended only for work only in the desert.
  40. -3
    28 July 2021 20: 24
    A good tank, but it did not fight against tougher opponents, only against the guerrillas of Lebanon or Palestine.
  41. +2
    28 July 2021 21: 30
    - The peremptory opinions of experts who saw the subject of the dispute in the "World of Tanks" ... At best ... Or do we put our opponents in their place like that? wassat
  42. +1
    28 July 2021 23: 37
    The indisputable advantage of the "Merkava" tank is the presence of a built-in toilet. And the sniper will not shoot a tanker who has sat down in the bushes out of need, and no one smudges the spent cartridges. Again, young ladies serve on their "Merkavas", and young ladies cannot be without a warm toilet. Here it is, taking care of the soldier!
  43. 0
    29 July 2021 00: 20
    Awesome arguments .. maybe easier to say, "because !."
  44. -2
    29 July 2021 01: 22
    This is a highly specialized tank for a small theater with rocky ground!
    In the European theater of operations with soils with low bearing capacity, it will be able to move only on roads.
    Therefore, the firebox is like the best!
  45. -4
    29 July 2021 12: 23
    I have a suspicion that the "Merkava" sucks all the best that is and was in Soviet and Russian tank design bureaus, probably in American and European ones. Yes, in finance and music, they must be geniuses, but hardly in technology.
  46. -3
    29 July 2021 12: 40
    However, the analysis of hostilities during the 2nd Lebanese war or the "July war" conducted by military experts (see, for example, the article by V. Klyuchnikov and O. Yanov in "Foreign Military Review" No. 12, 2006, p. 7- 15) shows that "In just one week, the Israelis missed about 30 tanks. In total, during the entire period of the conflict, the militants managed to knock out about 60 combat vehicles (according to other sources, about 150)."
    Perhaps since 2006, the active protection of tanks has been significantly improved. But the mass of the tank - 60 tons, remained unchanged, which still makes it vulnerable to RPGs and ATGMs of both Russian production: "Baby", "Fagot", "Konkurs", and European: "Milan", American "Tow" , Iranian "Toophan-1" and "Toophan-2", which have probably also been upgraded since 2006.
  47. -2
    29 July 2021 15: 49
    Our ATGMs hammer him, and the rest is not important.
  48. 0
    29 July 2021 18: 00
    Damn, I would forbid publishing such materials because of their zero content and adequacy, and also that all texts of this kind are someone's private, illiterate composition and always cause a reaction of throwing shit on the fan. If you want to write on this topic, write analytical material based on facts, specific figures and indicating normal sources. And not someone somewhere said-thought-suggested that the subject of the dispute is higher-faster-stronger-and-other-adjectives.
  49. +1
    29 July 2021 18: 34
    Imprisoned for the preservation of the crew and in THIS he definitely has no equal. And it will not be very soon. Extremely good, no matter what the trendels about "gave it once to the bochin with RPG-7 - it burns! Allah akbar !!!" and on the deserted TVD, and in the ch-cities. IDF tankers claim that clean burnt merkavas can be counted on your fingers!
    Alas, all these deservedly high rates were obtained due to the incredible weighting of the device. With concomitant specific loads, in particular on the ground. Fortunately for us and for the Israelis on the European TVD he has nothing to do
  50. 0
    29 July 2021 23: 39
    Well, maybe. Only real databases will show. While there is Israel these databases cannot be avoided.
  51. 0
    30 July 2021 21: 00
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