Aviation hybrid power plant from UEC

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General view of the layout for MAKS-2021

At the last MAKS-2021 air show, the Russian United Engine Corporation (UEC) presented a number of promising developments in different directions. One of the most interesting exhibits of her stand was a model of a hybrid power plant (GSU), developed for implementation in aviation... It is expected that such a GSU will be able to find application in various aircraft projects and provide high performance.

Promising direction


Hybrid plants based on a gas turbine or piston engine coupled with various electrical components have a number of important features and advantages over traditional systems. These advantages can be used in various fields, incl. in aviation. Currently, in several countries at once, the development of aviation GSU of different composition is being carried out. Some projects have already been brought to bench and full-scale tests.



In August 2020, the Russian UEC launched a similar project. JSC UEC-Klimov was appointed the lead developer. The goal of the new project is to create a promising sequential HSS circuit with a capacity or 500 kW. This installation will be based on the latest VK-650V turboshaft engine.

By now, the early stages of the project have been completed and the general appearance of the installation has been determined. In addition, a mock-up was made, shown at the recent MAKS-2021 show. In the near future, there will be a demonstration model for bench testing. Over the next years, it will reach its maximum capacity and will allow the transition to new stages.


Turboshaft engine and generator

According to the UEC, in 2022, a demonstration sample of the GSU should show a power of 150 kW and ensure the verification of the laid down solutions. Then it will be finalized, and tests are planned for 2023 with the achievement of the design power of 500 kW. Based on the results of these activities, in 2024, experimental design work will begin to create a full-fledged GSU for use on aircraft. It is planned to be completed in 2028.

The UEC has already identified the areas of application of the promising GSO. This system can be used on airplanes for local lines, on light multipurpose helicopters and on UAVs weighing up to 8 tons. It can also be used on various vertical takeoff vehicles, on promising "air taxis", etc. A similar system for boats and ships will be developed on the basis of the aviation GSU. It will develop a capacity of 200-250 kW.

Mock-up look


At MAKS-2021, a mock-up of a GSU was demonstrated in a configuration for a helicopter-type UAV with four rotors. The units of the installation were placed on a stand simulating a similar product. This approach to the display makes it possible to assess the size of the GSU and the features of its placement on the aircraft.

A compact gas turbine generator set based on an existing engine of sufficient power was placed on a conventional fuselage. A battery pack and power electronics units were installed next to it. On the "wings" were placed four electric motors with rotors. All components of the GSU were connected by cables.


Power electronics blocks responsible for power distribution

The layout reflects the general scheme and composition of the promising GSU in relation to the quadrocopter. Aircraft of other schemes and classes will receive installation of a different composition and architecture. So, it is possible to use a different number of electric motors, different battery configurations, etc.

The principles of operation of the new GSU are quite simple. A turboshaft engine with a generator generates electrical power for the power electronics. The latter is responsible for controlling the electric motors responsible for the flight, and also recharges the batteries. The operating modes of the installation from the UEC have not yet been specified.

Difficulties and advantages


A hybrid plant based on a turboshaft engine and electrical components has a number of distinctive advantages over traditional systems. At the same time, there are also disadvantages of various kinds. It is obvious that the correct approach to the design of the GSU itself and to the selection of the aircraft for it will allow you to get the maximum return with minimal disadvantages.

Gas turbine systems include a number of dissimilar components, which is why it differs from traditional gas turbine systems in greater complexity and cost. In addition, the hybrid installation has a larger total volume and mass, which imposes restrictions on the development of the carrier aircraft. At the same time, GSU ​​units do not need a rigid mechanical connection with each other, and they can be spaced across the available volumes, which simplifies the layout of the aircraft.

Aviation hybrid power plant from UEC

Rechargeable batteries

Hybrid plants can show high fuel efficiency. To do this, the turboshaft engine must operate at optimal modes that give the minimum fuel consumption, and the control systems are entrusted with the task of correctly distributing electricity between the motors and batteries in accordance with the current flight mode. At the same time, other characteristics are also improved: the resource grows and harmful emissions are reduced.

The flight of the device with the GSU is carried out by electric motors controlled by electronics. This allows you to more efficiently maintain the required mode of operation, as well as quickly change it taking into account changing conditions. In particular, it will ensure a quick release to maximum power.

Depending on the composition and management principles, the GSU is theoretically capable of operating in several modes, incl. without the use of a turboshaft engine - only due to the batteries. This mode will increase reliability and safety: if the main engine and generator fail, the aircraft will be able to continue flying.

Plans for the future


Thanks to one or another advantage, hybrid power plants of different architectures can find a place in aviation and push out traditional systems. GSOs are of interest in the context of the further development of manned and unmanned aircraft and helicopters. However, while one should not expect that in a reasonable time they will be able to completely displace other options for power plants.


Variant of the layout of the twin-engine aircraft GSU

The potential of the GSO naturally attracts developers and customers from different countries, and since last year the Russian industry has been closely engaged in this topic. The first works have already been carried out, general principles of promising projects have been formed and future areas of their application have been identified. In addition, a model of the future product is shown and events for future years are announced.

Development work on a 500 kW power plant based on the VK-650V engine will take place in 2024-28. Thus, already in the middle of the decade or at the beginning of the second half of it, one can expect the appearance of the first full-fledged aircraft projects for the domestic aviation GSU. Projects for the introduction of its marine modification will also have to appear.

It is not known what the aircraft and boats with a hybrid power plant will be. However, it is clear that this direction has great potential and allows you to get very interesting opportunities. It should be developed with an eye to practical use. This is exactly what the UEC has been doing since last year - and it is already ready to show the first results.
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  1. +10
    28 July 2021 05: 21
    Energy consumption per weight of even the best (and expensive!) Batteries is about 50 times less than gasoline / kerosene. Until these indicators converge, electric motors will have very limited application in aviation, even despite their excellent efficiency.
    1. +1
      28 July 2021 05: 55
      Who can argue ?! But it is absolutely necessary to develop this topic. After all, everything is there, and bright minds, and minerals. With technology, you only have to catch up.
      1. 0
        28 July 2021 06: 03
        differs from traditional gas turbine systems in greater complexity and cost.
        We hope that this is the beginning, and then ...
      2. +2
        28 July 2021 06: 46
        Quote: ASAD
        Who can argue ?! But it is absolutely necessary to develop this topic. After all, everything is there, and bright minds, and minerals. With technology, you only have to catch up.
        You're right! For a quarter of a century we could not "raise" even what was left of the Union. And only the last five years there has been some kind of revival. Yes, something in presentations, something in layouts, but the process is running.
    2. +1
      28 July 2021 06: 32
      Quote: Sahalinets
      Energy consumption per weight of even the best (and expensive!) Batteries is about 50 times less than gasoline / kerosene. Until these indicators converge, electric motors will have very limited application in aviation, even despite their excellent efficiency.

      Batteries are not the main ingredient in this soup! The main thing is the "power plant"! The whole "kitchen" was started because of her! The concept has excellent prospects! As a "variation", such a scheme may become widespread when the "power plant" will not only be a combination of a heat engine (GTE or piston ...) with an electric generator; but also represent an ECH-unit (fuel cells) or UTC-Power!

      1. 0
        28 July 2021 10: 11
        ..... a demo sample of the GSU should show a power of 150 kW

        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        The main thing is the "power plant"!

        Becomes a real quadcopter for a couple of people.
      2. 0
        29 July 2021 08: 28
        It is worth paying attention to what modulation current the generator will produce and how such a current can be harmonized with the engine, and in our case with the motive power.
    3. +5
      28 July 2021 08: 49
      Quote: Sahalinets
      Energy consumption per weight of even the best (and expensive!) Batteries is about 50 times less than gasoline / kerosene. Until these indicators converge, electric motors will have very limited application in aviation, even despite their excellent efficiency.

      Have you read the article?
      In it we are talking about aircraft with an electric generator, and not completely rechargeable ones.
      Accumulators are mentioned only as buffer.
      I am also against fully battery-powered aircraft and everywhere I make fun of such naive projections.
      Airplanes with an electric generator (s) are another matter.
      They have many advantages, unfortunately only potential ones.
      Russia has a chance to get ahead in this area, while other companies are moving along dead-end areas (hydrogen, fully battery, etc.).
      1. -3
        28 July 2021 09: 19
        Modern electric generators are built on the principle of creating a variable magnetic flux created in induction windings and initiating a reciprocating moment of linear force. I think this is clear? But in an aviation electric generator, it is worth using the ionization processes of current-inducing devices. ... Then the mover of a new type will not only represent the current generator at the same time, but in general the power parameters should be considered in a slightly different way.
        1. -1
          28 July 2021 10: 18
          For minus players, I will repeat once again about the unrecognized law of physical processes. That an increase in the potential difference and current in a linear segment of a conductor creates a rotational magnetic flux or spin in accordance with a certain quantitative relationship. I deliberately missed the accuracy. Therefore, the processes of air outflow along the blades of rotation cause not only ionization and the Coanda effect and the influence of centrifugal forces and many others, and in general it is worth analyzing using other mathematical methods.
          1. 0
            2 October 2021 21: 29
            Gridasov, have you tried to master the Russian language school curriculum?
            1. +1
              3 October 2021 00: 08
              I forgot to ask you what to learn. You are naive as a child and did not understand that a distorted idea of ​​personality makes you pay more attention to the essence of the issues being solved.
      2. +5
        28 July 2021 09: 28
        Quote: Lontus
        Quote: Sahalinets
        Energy consumption per weight of even the best (and expensive!) Batteries is about 50 times less than gasoline / kerosene. Until these indicators converge, electric motors will have very limited application in aviation, even despite their excellent efficiency.

        Have you read the article?
        It is about airplanes with an electric generator, and not completely rechargeable ones. (1 *)

        Accumulators are mentioned only as buffer.
        I am also against fully battery-powered aircraft and everywhere I make fun of such naive projections.
        Airplanes with an electric generator (s) are another matter.
        They have many advantages, so far only potential ones, unfortunately. (2 *)

        Russia has a chance to get ahead in this area, while other companies are moving along dead-end areas (hydrogen, fully battery, etc.).


        (1 *) I also believe that batteries are "emergency", and not the main supply of energy for electric motors.

        (2 *) One of these advantages has already been shown live at MAKS 2021.



        For the first time, a short take-off and landing aircraft took part in the flight program of the MAKS-2021 salon TVS-2MS "Partizan"capable of taking off from a helipad.

        As the FPI representative explained, the main idea of ​​providing ultra-short take-off and landing in the Partizan project is the use of active blowing of the wing by a distributed propeller-motor group, which is a series of electric motors. They provide the lift required for takeoff.

        https://aftershock.news/?q=node/998938
        1. +1
          28 July 2021 09: 47
          Surface blowing solutions are of course something else. In general, this aircraft has enormous application possibilities.
      3. +1
        28 July 2021 10: 48
        Did you count the energy losses due to double conversion?
        1. +3
          28 July 2021 14: 02
          Not double, but triple conversion.
          Chemical to mechanical (gas turbine and possibly a gearbox);
          Mechanical to electrical (Generator + power electrics);
          Electrical to mechanical (Electric motors). Propeller efficiency is omitted by default.
          In total, we multiply four efficiency (if with a gearbox -5) and we get the total. In the case of a direct drive GTU-Transmission-Screws, you need to multiply only two efficiency (screws are not counted either)
          It is intuitively clear that the efficiency of the hybrid will be less, there is most likely a benefit in a looser layout and automation of control in vertical take-off and landing modes and, more importantly, in transient modes.
          1. +1
            25 October 2021 23: 36
            Quote: motorized infantryman
            It is intuitively clear that the efficiency of the hybrid will be less, there is most likely a benefit in a looser layout and automation of control in vertical take-off and landing modes and, more importantly, in transient modes.

            Not only in a loose layout. There are at least two more benefits to be seen here. First, an electric gearbox is obtained that matches the high speed of the gas turbine engine with the low speed of the propeller. Therefore, you can do without a planetary gearbox, which greatly reduces efficiency and is expensive. Secondly, the hybrid allows to optimize the gas turbine engine for cruising flight modes, and for takeoff, the power of the buffer accumulators (accumulators) can be added to the power of the gas turbine engine. That is, the hybrid turbine is smaller, more economical and cheaper than a conventional turbine. And yes, the layout possibilities are much richer if the energy from the power plant to the propellers is transmitted not by shafts and gears, but by wires. And it's much easier to control electricity than a manual transmission.
      4. 0
        28 July 2021 11: 13
        Airplanes with an electric generator (s) are another matter.
        They have many advantages, unfortunately only potential ones.


        An electric generator based on a gas turbine engine is not new. On the Mi-8 IV, "Busovtsy" rolled out a box on wheels, started up and worked. There, like the AI-8, there was an engine.
        But flying on electricity without cryogenerators and cryo engines will not work. (except for one-seater voracious toys for rich suicides) Something is being molded by ours on superconductors, they have already made good progress in terms of weight. And perhaps there is a chance to throw out the main gearbox and transmission. But oh, how far is it.
    4. +2
      28 July 2021 09: 56
      Quote: Sahalinets
      Energy consumption per weight of even the best (and expensive!) Batteries is about 50 times less than gasoline / kerosene. Until these indicators converge, electric motors will have very limited application in aviation, even despite their excellent efficiency.

      Have you read the article or a "professional writer"?
      It's about a hybrid installation, not an electric one. Here the batteries play a supporting role for peak loads (acceleration, takeoff, ...). The trick is that when cruising, the engine-generator runs at its optimum (close to maximum power) when it is at its highest efficiency.
      1. 0
        28 July 2021 10: 51
        Well, calculate the weight of these batteries! How many extra liters of fuel are burned during takeoff? Now multiply by 50. And moreover, the fuel burns out, and the batteries have to be transported constantly. It hardly makes sense in the current realities to fence such a scheme.
        1. 0
          28 July 2021 14: 19
          Quote: Sahalinets
          Well, calculate the weight of these batteries!

          The accumulators are there for a couple of minutes of increasing the engine operation - only for taking off from the ground and gaining a steady flight speed without extended flaps.
          The payoff is in the optimal performance of the generator. The turbojet engines of conventional aircraft perform better in takeoff mode and are much more voracious in cruising.
    5. +2
      28 July 2021 10: 05
      Quote: Sahalinets
      Energy consumption per weight of even the best (and expensive!) Batteries is about 50 times less than gasoline / kerosene. Until these indicators converge, electric motors will have very limited application in aviation, even despite their excellent efficiency.

      Where do you see the batteries on the diagram? The gas turbine turns the generator from which the electric motors operate.
    6. +1
      17 September 2021 13: 25
      Quote: Sahalinets
      Energy consumption per weight of even the best (and expensive!) Batteries is about 50 times less than gasoline / kerosene.

      you were wrong about 2 times
      PJSC "Saturn" Battery pack 22x2LI-85 for geostationary spacecraft
      Wh/kg 138
      Wh/liter < 165
      LEV50 from Lithium Energy Japan
      0.104 kWh / kg.

      The energy consumption of one kilogram of AI95 or similar fuel is at the level of 47 MJ or 13 кW * h / kg.
      taking into account efficiency 3.0-2.61 кW * h / kg.
      those. approximately 20 times (excluding the efficiency of ed and battery, approx. 90%)
      Yes, and this installation is GSU, not electrical
      Battery only if the gas turbine engine fails and / or a specific task is required to perform (silently and without an IR trace)
      The thrust-producing propeller is driven in rotation by an electric motor, which receives energy from the batteries and from the generator, rotated by a gas turbine engine (it is optimized for cruise flight and will power both the electric motor and the batteries).


      The current layout of the GSU demonstrator includes a serial turboshaft motor, generator, batteries and an electric motor using the effect of high-temperature superconductivity with a design power of 500 kW.

      As explained in the press service of CIAM, The liquid nitrogen cooled electric motor is powered by a generator (400 kW) powered by a gas turbine engine and a lithium-ion battery pack (100 kW).
      lithium-ion batteries here essentially play the role of a fluid coupling ...
  2. +2
    28 July 2021 06: 12
    Economical (in terms of fuel) and environmentally friendly.
    This is very important for small drones, where a problem with a good engine is felt.
  3. +4
    28 July 2021 06: 50
    Well, suppose for sea vessels the scheme of an electric generator set - an electric propeller drive has been tested and used for a long time. Let us recall at least the propellers on ships, on our same icebreakers.
    But in aviation, the benefits are implicit without a revolution in materials. Let's estimate the old scheme of what we have on board the aircraft: engine, propeller, fuel supply. What is offered: an engine, a propeller, a fuel supply, a generator, an electric motor to drive the propeller, plus also batteries. What is the benefit? You can win only if there is a revolutionary breakthrough in materials, namely, a significant reduction in the mass and dimensions of the electric motor and an increase in the density of stored energy in the batteries, then the internal combustion engine with a generator and fuel can be removed, switching completely to electric motion.
    1. +1
      28 July 2021 08: 14
      A modern bk motor is already very small in size, with high power. There, breakthroughs have already happened long ago
      1. 0
        28 July 2021 11: 32
        has a very small size, with high power.

        With the aggregate power of a toy or bicycle. And in real aviation, you need 1500 kW with a mass of 300 kg. Will you make such an electric engine without superconductors and cryogenics? That's just it.

        The main gearbox on the Mi-8 is heavy, weighs almost as much as both TV3- 117. But it is still less than an electric generator and an electric engine, both with a capacity of 4000 horses.
        1. 0
          28 July 2021 18: 52
          Absolutely right! In this case, superconductivity is solved not by the issue of materials, but by design solutions of fundamentally new induction devices. Turnless induction coils using the spin factor are capable of passing current like superconductors. But again, I try to convince you that if you use a generator and a motor in pairs and at the same time the generator generates a unidirectional and pulsed current, then the motor works in the same pulse modulation. At the same time, the operation of such a generator-engine is carried out as a super-high-frequency one, which means that the power parameters are maintained at any level. All this is quite technologically simple to implement.
    2. +1
      28 July 2021 11: 04
      Quote from tarabar
      But in aviation, the benefits are implicit without a revolution in materials.

      As I understand it, the advantage is that the propulsion device with such a scheme becomes lighter and smaller: instead of a large multi-ton motor, only an electric motor with a propeller remains in the stream. Plus, in such a scheme, it is possible to get rid of such an extremely complex thing as a reducer.
      In principle, options to separate the engine from the propeller had been worked out before - but there everything was ruined by a mechanical transmission, which made the design heavier and more complicated and served as a source of additional energy losses.
  4. -5
    28 July 2021 07: 27
    Correctly voiced the idea that the key idea is to create a power plant that feeds the engines. However, everything is at the pioneer level. There is no theoretical basis at all. For more than ten years we have been promoting the architecture of a new propulsion unit with a combined in one monoblock design with a generator feeding a propulsion unit of a fundamentally new type and a new process of converting the air flow. Moreover, we are talking about a self-regulating balance of energy production and energy consumption of such systems, which means that the battery is only an initiating device, but not the basis of the energy process. I see in Russia there is not even a level of understanding of such systems and processes. Everything looks like children's entertainment.
    1. 0
      28 July 2021 11: 40
      Quote: gridasov
      Moreover, we are talking about a self-regulating balance of energy production and energy consumption of such systems, which means the battery is only an initiating device, but not the basis of the energy process. I see in Russia there is not even a level of understanding of such systems and processes.

      Eka, my friend, you are angry! Only now, no one puts the battery "at the head" of the installation! So ... your anger is for no reason! Well, a "tovarisch" blurted out nonsense without thinking ... Duc. anything can happen! As the saying goes: I looked at the book, but I saw a fig! The main thing in the concept is "power plant"! The concept dances from her!
      1. -1
        28 July 2021 12: 49
        Flight range, engine power parameters. Everything depends on the energy potential of the source. This is the battery. At the same time, I understand what you are talking about. But this further complicates the situation, since the power plant needs to be powered, the output must be regulated, etc.
        1. 0
          28 July 2021 13: 08
          Quote: gridasov
          Flight range, engine power parameters. Everything depends on the energy potential of the source. This is the battery.

          But what does the battery have to do with it? The battery in this case is "on the side, I'll burn it"! In this case, the battery is a device of the second stage ... or degree!
    2. +1
      28 July 2021 11: 52
      Quote: gridasov
      For more than ten years we have been promoting the architecture of a new propulsion unit with a structure combined in one monoblock with a generator feeding a propulsion unit of a fundamentally new type and a new process of converting the air flow.

      Well. what other mover could you think of? request Possible aviation the movers are well-known and in every way! You can name: 1. propeller; 2.jet jet ... 3. wing flapping; 4 . vibration bearing surface; 5. the use of charges of different polarity in the atmosphere ... I hope that you do not confuse a propulsion unit with an engine?
      1. 0
        28 July 2021 12: 41
        No, I'm not confusing a penis with a nose. Let me remind the clever people that as any turbine and the propeller have a limit and the applied power and rotation speed. And the problem is the flow break. I offer a propulsion system without breaking the flow at any speed. Moreover, the possibility of using the moment of force on the shaft not only from the incident flow, but also the energy of the flow of mass rejection.
      2. 0
        28 July 2021 12: 53
        You missed another kind of mover !!! The principle of operation of which we took as a basis and optimized in the calculation and manufacturing technology. In general, if you touch the propellers themselves, then a small step is noticeable in the direction that we have already developed. Everything is moving in a certain direction, which already gives priority to advanced development.
    3. +1
      28 July 2021 12: 16
      We have been promoting the architecture of a new mover for over ten years.

      And how many of you are in the ward?
  5. +1
    28 July 2021 10: 12
    Several years ago, I was still quite fond of radio-controlled helicopters and quadrics (not out of the box, but self-assembly, serious devices, without an autopilot :-) and other DJI buns), and even then the idea to combine a gas turbine engine and an electric drive was born in my head. For quadrics, it seems to me an excellent solution, since in a stable flight it does not eat up the battery like on maneuvers and takeoff, the gas turbine engine from the APU is enough to feed the Lipolek. In general, I have little idea how to ensure normal stabilization of a quadric on piston or gas turbine engines in the corners. Well, wire management is certainly easier. It turned out I was right. We are waiting for flying samples. Wanguyu that in the coming years, part of the helicopter segment will be captured by hybrid quadrics.
  6. +2
    28 July 2021 10: 16
    A hybrid plant based on a turboshaft engine and electrical components has a number of characteristic advantages over traditional systems

    And here I would like to learn more.
    1. -1
      30 July 2021 18: 58
      I suspect that there will be no details, nowhere to get them.
  7. 0
    28 July 2021 10: 38
    These are all laboratory experiments. Perhaps it will "shoot" someday. But where and when ...
  8. -2
    28 July 2021 12: 20
    Two articles a day about spacecraft sailing through the Bolshoi Theater - amazing performance.
  9. 0
    28 July 2021 12: 37
    And it’s not clear to me on the diagram why a turbine rotating a generator cannot pump air at the same time?
    Then the scheme would look like this - one or two turbojet engines with power take-off to the electric generator, plus several electric motors ...
    By the way, I remembered that recently they wrote about such a scheme about the Brazilian project.
    1. -1
      28 July 2021 13: 36
      A turbine can do a lot, including pumping air. But this is where the problem is buried, the efficiency of the worst mechanical gearbox is 0,9, and the efficiency of the generator and electric motor together 0,9x0,9 is already 0,81. Hope the problem is clear. While this is nothing more than a flight of unbridled fantasy, a kind of Brazilian plane in a vacuum.
  10. -5
    28 July 2021 12: 43
    It seems that the Yo-mobile with a generator and electric wheels have already passed. Already reminds of an anecdote, where only the pale-faced twice step on the rake.
    1. -1
      29 July 2021 19: 04
      Mining dump trucks, Platform 0 - is this also a rake?
      1. -1
        29 July 2021 20: 06
        There are also ships, diesel-electric ships, are they coming up? They don't fly either.
        1. -1
          30 July 2021 07: 31
          Was your mobile supposed to fly?
          1. -1
            30 July 2021 08: 28
            Certainly, together with a mining dump truck. laughing
            The feeling is that a team of geeks that have already failed one project, again took up the same thing.
  11. 0
    28 July 2021 13: 32
    Still wires from a high-temperature superconductor winked
    So far, installations on fuel cells for UAVs are more realistic, but the power of installations there, of course, is orders of magnitude less ...
    In the photo, a copter with a high-pressure cylinder with hydrogen - batteries + TE
  12. 0
    29 July 2021 04: 22
    Once again, it is worth focusing on the fact that it is very important what current the power plant generates and at what current the optimal operation of the engine combined with the propeller.
    1. 0
      30 July 2021 10: 15
      The type of current and even the voltage are completely unimportant because the voltage from the generator is rectified and converted into another voltage of a different frequency, usually three-phase, which is necessary primarily for powering electric motors. Moreover, these parameters change over time due to the fact that the motors operate in different modes.
      1. +1
        30 July 2021 10: 26
        You know why the current moves along the periphery of the conductor. Of course, this is said in primitive terms, but I think the essence is clear. So it should be clear that a current subject to any transformations, and even more so by electronic devices, loses its potential as well as liquids in their kinetics and gases. And then only ignoramuses do not know why the rectified current is not a direct current. At the same time, alternating current is inherently ineffective at all, since it has several stages of the process developing and falling in its energy. Therefore, only unidirectional and pulsed current is the path to the energy of the future and generators and motors on this basis.
        1. 0
          2 August 2021 22: 21
          Then the MHD generator on kerosene and DC electric fans suggests itself, by the way, the efficiency of MHD generators can exceed 45%, the specific consumption of equivalent fuel will be approximately 270 g / (kWh)
          1. 0
            3 August 2021 08: 36
            The MHD generator is not a fully thought out concept. Firstly, I want to say that the efficiency parameter should not be considered as an estimate at all, since a really efficient generator allows, due to kinetics, to transform the potential energy of an energy carrier. Therefore, there is a transition in the dimension of the energy state metric. I think it is clear that any solid substance in an aggregate state can be brought into such a dynamic state in the medium of a continuous mobile substance in order to create an ultra-high current and voltage in it by ionization, so that an effect of a radioactive but linear nature can be obtained. By the way, based on this principle, radial radiation in TV elements can be replaced with linear radiation and the effect of energy conversion can be obtained more optimized than in modern reactors.
            1. 0
              3 August 2021 09: 28
              Quote: gridasov
              I think it is clear that any solid substance in an aggregate state can be brought into such a dynamic state in the medium of a continuous mobile substance in order to create an ultra-high current and voltage in it by ionization, so that an effect of a radioactive, but linear nature can be obtained.

              Not everyone will master what has been said, let's keep it simple, as you know, the gas temperature in front of the turbine in the turbojet engine is limited by the thermal stability of the blades, but there are no MHD blades and the gas temperature can be raised to its ionization and this can be done with relatively small volumes of gas, here the engine bypass is not needed and this is in some way will simplify its design,
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                3 August 2021 10: 12
                But it's very simple! First of all, it is worth starting from the method of analysis of capacious processes that are dynamic in their content. Both modern turbojet engines and MHD do not use the technology of flow concentration and expansion. The understanding of centrifugal and centripetal flows is not used. But most importantly, the rotor part of the engine is the basis not only for the energy-consuming process, but also for organizing the process of concentrating energy at the intake. and the economic efficiency depends on this, or rather the target task of obtaining energy efficiency and ensuring the absence of explosive shock processes, and hence the quietness of the process. At the same time, one should not forget that within the limits of the rotor operation and the process of the flow of continuous media, it is necessary to ensure the continuity of this flow in order to avoid parasitic effects. In general, the entire system of interactions must be optimized and the boundaries of the process itself must be expanded. Therefore, I often talk about a new and fundamentally new propulsion system. And which combines the private aspects of the work of many devices. In fact, I am talking about both a propulsion and a reactor and a generator in one process and in one monoblock design.
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                3 August 2021 10: 27
                It is necessary to understand why the blades are heated in the frontal section, and in the future, to consider the blade itself as an induction device of a certain dimension with a potential difference at its ends. Then, with the help of the most mobile flow of air or water, it is possible to organize not only the process of optimizing the polarization at the ends, but also to use the spin as a rotating flow, a magnetic effect and thus increasing the throughput of the channels between the blades. In general, this can be called the process of redirecting magnetic fluxes on the blade. And then it is not difficult to obtain the optimal shape of the blade and other data that optimize the design .... I will also add that the conversation is about the dynamic ionization of the outflow surface by streams of moving continuous media.
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                  3 August 2021 19: 33
                  Your manner of presentation is difficult for ordinary readers to understand and it would be good to explain with examples and diagrams what is
                  1 technology of concentration of the flow and its expansion.?
                  2 within the limits of the rotor operation and the process of the flow of continuous media, it is necessary to ensure the continuity of this flow in order to avoid parasitic effects - is it necessary to understand that the flow of gas from the combustion chamber is discontinuous?
                  3 "I often talk about a new and fundamentally new propulsion device ...
                  a propulsion device and a reactor and a generator in one process and in one monoblock design. "- and where to find out more?
                  4 to organize not only the process of optimizing the polarization at the ends, but also to use the spin as a rotating flux, a magnetic effect and thus increasing the throughput of the channels between the blades - what is it like?
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                    3 August 2021 21: 10
                    I confess I am pleased to understand your interest. But we must understand that such a depth of information content cannot be provided by what I will set out in writing. However, it can be said in one sentence that in order to understand the process, you need to change the dimension. For example, understand that temperature is not a fundamental level. Temperature as a concept is a gradient of electromagnetic and variable complex processes, and not a concept relative to certain reference parameters.
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                      4 August 2021 09: 22
                      Quote: gridasov
                      Temperature as a concept is the gradient of electromagnetic and variable complex processes, and

                      If you know more about the "temperature" than is written in the textbooks, then explain, for example, we heat the gas in two ways
                      Option 1 - heating from compression
                      Option 2 - we heat from hot walls
                      as an amateur it always seemed to me that different reasons give rise to different consequences, which means if the causes of heating are different, then the consequences should be different,
                      the question of the state of gases after they are heated to the same temperature in different ways should be different or not?
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                        4 August 2021 10: 48
                        Just the same reasons and the mechanism of heating are absolutely always the same, right up to the emergence of confrontations in discussions. And in order to understand this, it is necessary to consider at the fundamental level of physics what a monopole and the primary structure of a dipole are. Then it is not difficult to understand that temperature as a derivative process from oppositely directed magnetic fluxes, not only linear, but also spin-rotational, etc. The common view justifies only the obvious process of friction, which causes heating and a new energy state at a transitional moment. In the nature of the interaction of gases and continuous media, these processes are due to different degrees of interaction of counter-directed streams of jets and more complex forms of spatial interactions of arrays of the atomic-molecular level. Therefore, initially it is really worth talking about mathematics and analysis of big data to describe interactions in gases and continuous media and the occurrence of plasma effects, etc. Therefore, up to this point, we talked exclusively at the level of engineering and design solutions.
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                        4 August 2021 18: 43
                        You are very difficult to state, I will state my opinion
                        when the gas is compressed, the speed of the molecules and their rotation, the state of the electron shells does not change, the average distance between the molecules changes, it decreases, therefore, more molecules interact with the unit area of ​​the thermometer and it shows a higher temperature, when the gas is heated, say by radiation, everything is much more complicated, but this thermometer does not notice
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                        4 August 2021 19: 17
                        You see, but it is worthwhile to logically consider the structure of space. In nature, everything is energetically optimized, which means that nothing flies anywhere in the quantum world. All interactions take place in packed space through the structure of magnetic fluxes. In addition, one must always remember that information must always be subordinate to mathematics, which means that real physical processes always have identity in the form of information validity. Therefore, the compression of gases increases the density of energy interactions of magnetic fluxes and their variable processes. After all, the same screw has a limitation in its effectiveness, why. Increase the diameter and speed of rotation, processes occur in the structure of air or water. That is, water shows a change in potential energy and the application of power on the shaft does not increase the flow capacity. In addition, centrifugal forces in the structure of the material tear it apart precisely because the magnetic force processes reach a high level. Moreover, the material is torn by twisting because the spin moment of the force increases. So you need to organize the process in a new way.
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    3 October 2021 00: 19
    The basis for the use of electrical technologies is based primarily on the invention of the solenoid, which is the basic element of current generation. But the solenoid has a number of disadvantages and, above all, the parasitic effects of self-induction. But the process of self-induction can be compared with the process of resistance of materials when passing or initiating current in it, and hence the process of superconductivity. This means that by removing the dependence of induction on self-induction, fundamental problems in energy production and the problems of building new and efficient electric machines are solved. And therefore, the so-called turnless induction devices are the basis for the progress and development of electrical engineering and the generation of current as an electromagnetic process. Everything that happens next is easy to predict.

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