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Oil needle of the USSR

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Oil needle of the USSR

The epic oil myth



The VO has just published an article "It's bad with bread - give 3 million tons of oil above the plan": how oil from Western Siberia buried the Soviet Union. " It addressed the problem of oil, which destroyed the USSR.

In turn, in contrast to this view, I would like to show that the myth of the "oil needle" for the USSR is completely untenable.

There are many opinions about who or what buried the USSR. One high-ranking official even argued that oil and gas are our curse, and if Russia did not have them, then everyone would live much better.

And from various experts you can periodically hear that it was the "oil needle" that destroyed the USSR. If we continue their conclusions, it turns out that since the USSR, which had 16–20% of world GDP (according to various sources), collapsed due to oil prices, then the Russian Federation, with 1,7% of world GDP, is bound to collapse without fail ... This is their logic.

USSR: where did this needle come from?


Oil and gas fields on the scale that the modern Russian Federation has were developed and developed exclusively during the USSR period and with the technological capabilities of the Union, which it had in the 60s-70s of the XX century.

The 1973 film "Aniskin and Fantomas" just ends with the discovery of oil in a Siberian village.

At the time of the start of exploitation of these fields in Siberia, the party and the government did not have a question of preference, and could not stand that: whether to carry out deep, shallow, "very shallow" processing or sell crude oil?

First, as we will see later, the share of oil exported was negligible in relation to production. The bulk was processed domestically.

Where would the share of the USSR's GDP in the world economy come from, 16–20%? And they didn’t drink this oil in the Soviet Union instead of natural milk?

Secondly, the economic fetish slogan “everything for export” became relevant only after the death of the Soviet Union, and its goal is to sell raw materials to the West or East, wherever they will take it, and personally live beautifully in the West. The Union never had such a task, in principle, except for the period of industrialization.

Thirdly, the foreign exchange earnings that the USSR received, of course, was extremely important for the country, but for the most part it was not spent the way the Soviet bourgeois thought and they continue to think, including the statesmen in modern Russia: on clothes for Beryozka stores, but in general it was spent prudently for the acquisition of technologies and industries in which the USSR lagged behind.

Let me remind readers that before the Great October Revolution, Russia's social and economic lag was several centuries behind the notorious West. The Bolsheviks were forced and were obliged to carry out the second modernization of Russia, that is, immediately and simultaneously from 1917 to the 30s, to carry out both the cultural and all industrial revolutions that the West went through several centuries before (A. Toynbee).

But, and many of those who worked in production in the Soviet Union know about this firsthand, the production culture, due to natural lag, was extremely low. The agrarian "collective unconscious" made itself felt. The USSR reached a decent level in a number of industries only by the end of the 80s (Lee Iacocca).

Yes, it could not be otherwise: at the same time it was necessary to create a high-tech weapon, lead a cultural revolution, provide free education, medicine and housing for citizens, and urbanize the country. For understanding: when the development of the oil and gas complex began, 50% of the country's citizens lived in the countryside (1961).

Fourth, taking into account the above, we note that there was no hard link between oil sales and food purchases. The USSR acquired mainly fodder grain for the development of cattle, pushing American and Canadian farmers for prices. The number of cattle in the RSFSR in 1990 was 58 million heads, in the USSR - 115 million, in the Russian Federation in 2019 - 19 million.

Today, hard varieties of Kuban and Stavropol wheat are merged abroad, where they know how to carry out “deep processing”, as in Turkey, presenting dumping sales as unprecedented economic indicators.

In the USSR, after 1945, there was a restoration, not a development of the livestock of cattle, because during the most severe war in the world stories on the European territory of the USSR, the damage, according to Soviet economists, was the cost of five five-year plans.

Which country is affected by changes in oil prices?


The fall in world oil prices, which undermined the economy of the Union, has been repeatedly refuted in scientific and journalistic literature. But this myth constantly wanders from article to article, getting into government reports. And errors in data analysis always lead to erroneous management decisions.

The USSR budget had nothing to do with oil prices, because this factor was completely insignificant. But in the Russian Federation it is a key indicator in the formation of the budget: it cannot be formed without a forecast of the oil price.

The country's dependence on world prices for oil and other minerals came just after the disappearance of the Soviet Union and not a minute earlier. The change in oil prices during the end of the USSR did not in any way affect the structure of the country's economy and could not be the cause of the economic crisis.

According to the Statistical Yearbook for 1990, the GP (gross social product), approximately comparable to GDP (there was no such indicator at that time), in 1986 was 1425,8 billion rubles. Then he only grew.

At the same time, all exports from the USSR in 1986 amounted to 68,285 billion rubles, or 4% of the GDP (≈GDP).

While in the Russian Federation in 2018, with a GDP of $ 1630 billion, exports amounted, according to the Federal Customs Service, to $ 449 billion, or 964% of GDP.
That is, we repeat, all exports from the USSR amounted to 4%, from the Russian Federation - 27,6%. At the same time, the share of oil in 2018 was 53% ($ 237 billion).

In the USSR in 1986, this share was 1,6%, and with CMEA - 8,2%. The difference is serious and tangible, and taking into account the fall in the share of Russia in comparison with the share of the USSR in world GDP by 10 times, everything falls into place.

Based on the statistics, we see that there is no need to talk about any "oil needle" for the USSR, and even more so about the economic crisis that could arise from changes in oil prices.

In the share of Soviet exports within the total volume of production, the sale of oil occupied the minimum volume, which could not affect the structure of production and the economic crisis of the superpower.

This whole myth that we began to depend on oil, gas and other minerals even in the late USSR is needed only to cover up the current state of affairs, when the country is a raw material appendage of developed technological and economic countries. And, to the great joy of many, as in the XNUMXth century, she began to bargain with bread: we will not finish eating, but we will take them out.

The contours of the crisis appeared when Gorbachev's unsystematic reforms began, which literally torn apart the economy, which, like any system, required correction, but not defeat. The problems that existed in the economy during this period, first of all, were not associated with the production area (although they, of course, were), but with the sphere of the general culture and consciousness of the citizens of the country of the Soviets, the culture of work, distribution and prioritization. But that's a different topic.

Gorbachev and the managers who followed him remind the hero of children's books N. Nosov Dunno, who pulled nuts and bolts out of the car where it was not necessary; I controlled a balloon with complete inability to do it; treated patients without medical knowledge; argued with Znayka and talked about what he did not understand.

The ingenious Nosov in this children's fairy tale showed exactly how incompetence can destroy the system. But it seems that the majority of representatives of the management elite still do not realize this: it is much more pleasant for them to rush around with the myth of the “oil needle” or the conspiracies of the West.
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  1. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 29 July 2021 04: 38
    +15
    I liked the article very much with the given figures and facts. Thanks.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 29 July 2021 04: 57
      +27
      ... it was the "oil needle" that destroyed the USSR

      In the USSR, no one had heard of this. Only in present-day Russia they learned about and sacredly believed about this. In which everything really depends on oil and oil prices. A little oil will fall in price, so the wooden one immediately falls. And behind it, prices rise.

      In addition, we have learned a lot! And about the fact that the USSR could do only galoshes normally, and about mines, and about the atomic bomb planted under the new Russian statehood ... but everything was bad there! Because we have never lived better than under Putin!

      And the fact that carrots are 100 rubles each is not a problem at all - the main thing on the shelves is abundance! The Tsarek and the oligarchs are leading the country on the right course.
      1. SERGE ANT
        SERGE ANT 29 July 2021 05: 29
        +27
        In the USSR, no one had heard of this. Only in present-day Russia they learned about and sacredly believed about this.
        Do not tell me. And with some fanatical stubbornness they repeat this from time to time, and you cannot convince by any statistical data that there was no needle, and the USSR was not a drug addict who could not do without this needle and therefore died. It was not oil and the low price of it that killed the Union, but a systematic policy to destroy it and betrayal.
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 29 July 2021 06: 23
        +18
        ... The number of cattle in the RSFSR in 1990 was 58 million heads, in the USSR - 115 million, in the Russian Federation in 2019 - 19 million.

        The number of cattle in Russia is six times less than in the USSR. And three times than in the RSFSR. Did not know! But they don't talk about it.

        Yes, if it were the other way around, now such a ringing would be about unprecedented success. Would have reported to the last decrepit old woman! And everyone would definitely "know" that in Putin's Russia it is much better than under the sworn "scoop."
        1. Procopius Nesterov
          Procopius Nesterov 29 July 2021 06: 34
          -2
          Russia produces poultry meat 4 times more than the RSFSR, in the 1984 pre-perestroika year. Pork meat is 50 percent more. And yes, the USSR bought meat abroad.
          1. Far B
            Far B 29 July 2021 06: 54
            +15
            Russia produces poultry meat 4 times more than the RSFSR, in 1984 before perestroika
            And the eggs are smaller. Paradox? Nifiga - new breeds of chicken have been bred, which can no longer even walk, they only eat and that's it, and by three months they can already be slaughtered. Again, new feed appeared. Well, and the fact that chicken is the most affordable meat. This is the reason for the unprecedented growth in the production of chicken meat. But to breed egg breeds is already both in time and financially much more expensive. That is why they have not yet surpassed the USSR, because they are used to grabbing right now, just a lot at once. Oh yes. Where do heroic poultry meat producers buy eggs for incubators or young animals?
            50 percent more pork
            In fact, it would not hurt to indicate references to sources of such valuable information. This also applies to poultry meat.
            1. Procopius Nesterov
              Procopius Nesterov 29 July 2021 07: 13
              -1
              Why are there fewer eggs? In 2019, 44 billion 867 million eggs were produced.
              The data on meat are taken from the Soviet collection.
              1. Far B
                Far B 29 July 2021 07: 40
                +9
                Why are there fewer eggs? In 2019, 44 billion 867 million eggs were produced
                AND? And how much did the USSR produce during the period you touched upon? Over 45 billion (record - 1988, 49,1 billion). That's why less.
                The data on meat are taken from the Soviet compilation.
                The page scan is great, it touches. And what kind of collection is it?
                Py.Sy. And do not miss this nuance: in the 1980s, citizens, including (oh, horror!), Many townspeople had a great help in the form of personal subsidiary farming, that is, the same meat and eggs. And they were not really taken into account in Soviet statistics.
                1. Trapperxnumx
                  Trapperxnumx 29 July 2021 08: 16
                  +10
                  Quote: Dalny V
                  Why are there fewer eggs? In 2019, 44 billion 867 million eggs were produced
                  AND? And how much did the USSR produce during the period you touched upon? Over 45 billion (record - 1988, 49,1 billion). That's why less.

                  Well, the Russian Federation is half the size of the USSR. If we are to compare, then the Russian Federation and the RSFSR.
                  1. Far B
                    Far B 30 July 2021 02: 14
                    +5
                    These are the figures for the RSFSR. In the USSR, eggs were produced for 80 mulyards.
                    1. viva_cuba
                      viva_cuba 3 August 2021 11: 13
                      0
                      you yourself wrote that it was in the USSR :))
                2. Doccor18
                  Doccor18 29 July 2021 16: 26
                  +10
                  Quote: Dalny V
                  And do not miss this nuance: in the 1980s, citizens, including (oh, horror!), Many townspeople had a great help in the form of personal subsidiary plots, i.e., the same meat and eggs.

                  You definitely noticed this.
                  In the days of the USSR, in almost every personal farm there were: chickens (and in some places geese / ducks), a cow (or one or two goats), not everyone kept pigs (about 30%). The villagers provided themselves 100% with eggs, milk, vegetables, and 30-50% - with meat. In Russia, you still need to try to find a cow in the countryside, on a personal farm. 99% of the country's cattle, pigs and poultry live on mega-farms of agricultural holdings and then end up on the shelves of monopolistic grocery chains ...
                3. Erik
                  Erik 30 July 2021 11: 55
                  +4
                  Quote: Far In
                  Why are there fewer eggs? In 2019, 44 billion 867 million eggs were produced
                  AND? And how much did the USSR produce during the period you touched upon? Over 45 billion (record - 1988, 49,1 billion). That's why less.
                  The data on meat are taken from the Soviet compilation.
                  The page scan is great, it touches. And what kind of collection is it?
                  Py.Sy. And do not miss this nuance: in the 1980s, citizens, including (oh, horror!), Many townspeople had a great help in the form of personal subsidiary farming, that is, the same meat and eggs. And they were not really taken into account in Soviet statistics.

                  A person does not care about the fact that in the USSR they preferred to eat cattle meat, not poultry! As you noted above, chicken is cheaper! So people have to buy it, for finance!
              2. Nazar
                Nazar 11 August 2021 09: 47
                +1
                Prokopy Nesterov - Colleague, and you don’t want to tell us that almost all poultry and pork production in the Russian Federation is carried out on the basis of imports and to call such production "domestic" is a great exaggeration.
            2. Civil
              Civil 29 July 2021 07: 32
              +9
              Great article! Keep it up the author!
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 29 July 2021 12: 14
        -2
        Quote: Stas157
        In addition, we have learned a lot! And about the fact that the USSR could do only galoshes normally, and about mines, and about the atomic bomb planted under the new Russian statehood ... but everything was bad there! Because we have never lived better than under Putin!

        It never ceases to please how the fighters against myths about the USSR immediately create their own myths. smile
        Yes, my dear, yes. No need to discuss. The fact is that what we produced (and we don’t have to wave our hands), nobody needed, because nobody bought our galoshes, except for the Africans, who had to walk on the hot sand. That is the whole point.
        We had a defense industry - cool, strong, and we are still proud of it. We are grateful to our grandfathers and our fathers for creating such a defense after the Great Patriotic War.
        From the audience: ... And the first satellite.
        Vladimir Putin: Both the first satellite and the first man in space are our common pride, these are the achievements of the Soviet regime, of which we are all proud. These are nationwide achievements.
        But consumer goods ... Zhirinovsky has already said this. Where were they? There were none. Let's not lie to each other and the people. The people know what was and what was not.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 29 July 2021 14: 12
          +11
          But consumer goods ... Zhirinovsky has already said this. Where were they? There were none. Let's not lie to each other and the people. The people know what was and what was not.
          And what consumer goods are produced in Russia now?
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 29 July 2021 16: 31
            +9
            Quote: Gardamir
            And what consumer goods are produced in Russia now?

            I bought wooden cubes for my nephew's little ones - they are also made in China ... and this is in a country with the largest reserves of wood in the world ...
      4. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 29 July 2021 12: 17
        +3
        And about the bomb under statehood - GDP was absolutely right. It was Lenin's concept of the USSR as a union of equal national states (as opposed to the Stalinist autonomies within the RSFSR), which formed the basis of the USSR, and turned out to be that very bomb.
        And when I spoke about the thousand-year history of our state, it was strictly centralized, unitary. What did Vladimir Ilyich Lenin offer? He actually proposed not even a federation, but a confederation. By his decision, ethnic groups were tied to specific territories and received the right to secede from the Soviet Union.
        Look, a strictly centralized state - in fact, into a confederation, with the right to exit and with the binding of ethnic groups to the territory. But even the territories were cut in such a way that they did not always correspond and still correspond to the traditional places of residence of certain peoples. Therefore, pain points immediately arose, they still exist between the former republics of the Soviet Union, and even within the Russian Federation. Two thousand such points. One has only to let go for a second - it will not seem a little. This is the first thing.
        By the way, Stalin was against such an organization, he even wrote an article about autonomization. But in the end he accepted the Leninist formula. And what happened? During the creation of the Soviet Union, primordially Russian territories, which never had anything to do with Ukraine (all of the Black Sea region, the western lands of Russia), were transferred to Ukraine with a strange wording "to increase the percentage of the proletariat in Ukraine" ... This is a somewhat strange decision. But nevertheless, it took place. This is all the legacy of the state building of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, and now we are dealing with this.

        By the way, when was the last time Stalin was mentioned in the speeches of the GDP? Moreover, in a positive context? smile
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 29 July 2021 13: 52
          -9
          Quote: Alexey RA
          And about the bomb under statehood - GDP was absolutely right. It was Lenin's concept of the USSR as a union of equal national states (as opposed to the Stalinist autonomies within the RSFSR), which formed the basis of the USSR, and turned out to be that very bomb.

          this is all true, but it was Stalin who created these republics much more than Ilich. It was Stalin who insisted on the inclusion of an article on the republics' right to secede from the USSR in the 1936 consituation.

          He destroyed in 1940 the last Russian multinational province-Bessarabia and created, by circumcision, instead of it, an almost mono-national Moldavian SSR

          And yes, Stalin destroyed the DKR as part of the RSFSR and formed the Donetsk province in the Ukrainian SSR, this is today's Donbass, where the war is going on.

          Georgia, on the other hand, was growing in territories, there was no trace of collectivization of the model of Russia, it did not starve in 1933 (although it did not produce bread) and the standard of living there was several times higher than that of Russia ...
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 29 July 2021 14: 19
            +9
            it was Stalin who created these republics
            here is the villain. That's just why, over the past 20 years, many national republics within the Russian Federation have become even more national. But when Putin created the Federal Districts, I hoped that the end of national divisions, Lenin's bomb would be cleared of mines. But no, it didn’t grow together.
          2. vladcub
            vladcub 29 July 2021 17: 40
            +1
            Let's be frank about the republics' right to exit: THEN NO ONE THOUGHT THAT THIS would happen. You can write a lot of things
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 29 July 2021 18: 53
              +3
              Minus speaker, imagine for a minute: the Central Committee of Armenia or someone else has declared its right to exit.
              What would be the reaction? Article 58, paragraph 3
            2. Mother Theresa
              Mother Theresa 29 July 2021 20: 34
              +4
              You can write a lot of things on the fence. And everything should be provided for in the founding document. Especially before your eyes, several empires collapsed with a parade of sovereignty in Europe, including Poland and Finland.
            3. TANKISTONE
              TANKISTONE 30 July 2021 23: 07
              +1
              vladcub (Svyatoslav)
              Let's be frank about the republics' right to exit: THEN NO ONE THOUGHT THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN
              And they did not go en masse to the RSFSR to earn money to feed their family ...
        2. Doccor18
          Doccor18 29 July 2021 16: 35
          +11
          Quote: Alexey RA
          By the way, when was the last time Stalin was mentioned in the speeches of the GDP? Moreover, in a positive context?

          Iosif Vissarionovich, and 68 years after his death, scares our "effective", starting with the "maize", ending with the "eternal" ...
  2. Asad
    Asad 29 July 2021 04: 40
    +8
    In 1982, when I returned from the army, I saw coupons for food! So they destroyed the economy before Gorbachev.
    1. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 29 July 2021 05: 17
      +14
      Probably you and I lived in different USSR - in the 84th there were no coupons, and even in the 86th there were not. Maybe the coupons were in a separate region of the USSR where you lived? No, I don’t think so. You just forgot.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 29 July 2021 05: 23
        +6
        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        in the 84th there were no coupons, and even in the 86th there were no

        I don't remember that either. I remember coupons appeared in the year 90 not earlier. Coupons for butter, cigarettes and vodka.

        Now coupons are not being introduced, but in vain! For carrots and potatoes, coupons would not hurt at all. And for the borscht set. Russians shouldn't eat bananas!

        In any case, Russia's food security and agricultural successes have suddenly become a big question mark.
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 29 July 2021 09: 57
          +10
          The first coupons appeared back in the 80s, not everywhere, but alas, there were already
      2. Procopius Nesterov
        Procopius Nesterov 29 July 2021 06: 41
        +5
        Easy to find.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 29 July 2021 07: 55
          +12
          What kind of order?

          On the coupons, the weight in grams was indicated and the seal was. And then some kind of incomprehensible order. To whom, what, where?

          Personally, no one gave me any coupons in 1984. They gave only coupons for free milk for hazardousness at work. But, I didn’t work there.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 29 July 2021 08: 33
            +2
            In the USSR, coupons for food began to appear in the mid-seventies, first in certain regions.
          2. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 29 July 2021 09: 57
            +4
            What region did you live and live in?
      3. Ryazan87
        Ryazan87 29 July 2021 10: 48
        +12
        "... in some regions coupons for meat, butter and sugar were introduced earlier, in the late 70s. And in the 80s they were introduced everywhere. Moreover, these pieces of paper were not always called coupons: they often read“ Card buyer "," Order "," Invitation to receive "this or that product, indicating the appropriate quantity (in grams, liters or pieces, depending on the type of product)."



        Yes, they just forgot.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 29 July 2021 14: 54
          +6
          Quote: Ryazanets87
          . in some regions coupons for meat, butter and sugar were introduced earlier, in the late 70s. And in the 80s they were introduced everywhere. Moreover, these pieces of paper were not always called coupons: often they were written "Customer card", "Order", "Invitation to receive"

          it is necessary to emphasize: all these coupons concerned only RUSSIA - no coupons until almost 1990 blessed non-Russian sovrepubliks did not know.
        2. vladcub
          vladcub 29 July 2021 18: 58
          +1
          The law of psychology: in the past, everything seems to be good. The bad is somehow forgotten
      4. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 29 July 2021 12: 44
        +9
        1982 - coupons for meat and butter. Sakhalin Region. Not everyone lived in Moscow ...
      5. Serg65
        Serg65 29 July 2021 13: 02
        +4
        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        Maybe the coupons were in a separate region of the USSR where you lived? No, I don’t think so. You just forgot.

        Sevastopol 1984 - a table of orders and a coupon book for a year!
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 29 July 2021 14: 21
          +4
          Sevastopol 1984 - a table of orders and a coupon book for a year!
          In practice, I was in 1986, went shopping and everything was. Maybe your dad has a privilege, a table of orders.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 29 July 2021 14: 30
            0
            Quote: Gardamir
            Maybe your dad has a privilege, a table of orders.

            My dad had only one benefit, free travel once a year on long-distance transport ... and yes, I ask you not to touch my father!
            Quote: Gardamir
            In practice was in 1986, went shopping

            Which stores? Well, you probably remember the shops you went to?
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 29 July 2021 14: 54
              +2
              Well, you probably remember the shops you went to?


              1. Serg65
                Serg65 29 July 2021 15: 02
                0
                Well, you were in practice, went to shops !!! Where at least in practice were you remember?
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 29 July 2021 15: 19
                  +1
                  Where at least in practice were you remember?
                  You’re right I don’t remember. It seems this is Sovetskaya Street 61. I remember the first time I could not get in. I found the previous address, I found the next one, but it turned out I needed to go into the yard. Sheer wall and almost imperceptible turn.
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 30 July 2021 07: 31
                    0
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    It seems this is Sovetskaya Street 61

                    belay Look how! How did you practice there, my friend?
                    Sovetskaya 61 ... so there was a grocery store behind this building on Lenin Street !! And on Bolshaya Morskaya, a 5-minute walk ... it's hard not to remember! And in the "order tables" they bought meat, chicken and butter with coupons!
                    1. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 30 July 2021 07: 38
                      +2
                      it's hard not to remember!
                      I remember only one thing, that in Soviet times I had my internship at the Institute of Oceanography and it was 35 years ago. Do you all remember what happened then? I don't remember the address.
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 30 July 2021 13: 57
                        +3
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        I remember only one thing, that in Soviet times I did my internship at the Institute of Oceanography.

                        "SPE", Sovetskaya 61 ... I remember here, I don’t remember here ...
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        Do you all remember what happened then?

                        I remember very well! The same Sevastopol, the same practice, address Mine wall, EM. Experienced. The order desk I knew was at the intersection of Ivan Golubets and Semferopolskaya.
                        hi Good luck in your fight against Russia!
      6. Doccor18
        Doccor18 29 July 2021 16: 49
        +6
        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        Probably you and I lived in different USSR - in 84 there were no coupons ... maybe coupons were in a separate region of the USSR where you lived ...

        Coupons began in 1982, in Sverdlovsk, Togliatti, Perm ... More often for meat and butter meat. Of course, not everywhere, not always, but it was.
        All this was the result of numerous punctures (and maybe deliberate actions) in agriculture, which was initiated by Khrushchev by his "enlargement of collective farms" ...
    2. SERGE ANT
      SERGE ANT 29 July 2021 05: 39
      +18
      I was lucky in this regard, in my tiny town (read a big village) I saw the first coupons later, just the same ones for vodka. to another: "order", "buyer's card" .. But the notorious "oil needle" is by no means the reason for this.
    3. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 29 July 2021 06: 16
      +13
      Quote: ASAD
      In 1982, when I returned from the army, I saw coupons for food! So they destroyed the economy before Gorbachev.

      I didn’t hear about coupons in those years, but there was a card system for distributing goods on the basis of belonging to the executive power and the Communist Party of the USSR. Trade organizations had quotas for goods and products in high demand (scarce goods). That is, first to them and then to the rest. This is me. I saw it myself because my spouse had something to do with this product in the system of consumer cooperation. Hatred was incredible and was one of the nails in the coffin of the "ruling party." "now it's not bad, you need to re-create the petrochemical industry that was destroyed in the years after the coup and the collapse of the USSR. And against which the oil tycoons are so uptight. It's easier to dump raw materials over the hill and add profits to the offshore bank for your loved ones than invest to their country, economy. At one time, Putin began to force them to modernize production at their own expense, against which they fiercely resisted . Now I see everything has calmed down at my refinery.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 29 July 2021 07: 58
        +10
        We didn’t even have this, the district's pomp prosecutor came to the base, took a large batch of scarce goods, distributed it among the controlled speculators and everything, well, sensitive to the base workers, left, let's say, a pair of jeans for 5 people and that's it. smile
        1. Mar.Tirah
          Mar.Tirah 29 July 2021 09: 12
          +5
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          We didn't even have that, the district prosecutor came to visit,

          Well, this is a complete mess! The executive committees monitored the uninterrupted supply of products, and the prosecutor's office only followed their orders and decisions. We didn't even have such a thing in the military center. The military towns had everything, but not everything could be taken. I mean from the households. and manufactured goods. Products (ration) were given to us from the belly. At the service, they ate in canteens and garrison canteens, restaurants on holidays and parties. When moving, they took out the surplus to the dump in whole boxes of stew and condensed milk, concentrated milk, and gave tea to the soldiers.
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 29 July 2021 09: 59
            +6
            Do you compare a military town with an ordinary one .. Yeah, have you forgotten the special distribution centers for district committees and executives of all levels?
            1. Mar.Tirah
              Mar.Tirah 29 July 2021 10: 19
              +4
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              Aha, and have you forgotten the special distributors for district committees and executives of all levels?

              Why did I forget? I already wrote that all the distribution still goes through the executive branch, and it goes down to them from the top, from the district committees or regional committees and then from the Central Committee. The director himself, on the oral instructions of the Deputy Prosecutor, cannot give an order to allocate the goods. Good reasons are needed. , bylaw decisions of executive committees., so as not to violate the laws that were still in force at that time, God forbid.
              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 29 July 2021 11: 15
                +4
                I beg you, telephone law was already in full bloom and flourished in the 70-80s
          2. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 29 July 2021 10: 30
            +3
            Well, this is a complete mess!
            This chaos, under his careful guidance, continued, then, when everything was privatized, etc.
            1. Mar.Tirah
              Mar.Tirah 31 July 2021 12: 14
              0
              Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
              This chaos, under his careful guidance, continued, then, when everything was privatized, etc.

              I readily believe. The virus of capitalism instilled by Gorbachev and acted primarily on those in power. If the secretaries of district and regional committees became masters of life, then what can I say about the middle echelons of power. I saw all this myself, including the prosecutors.
        2. Unknown
          Unknown 29 July 2021 13: 12
          +5
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          We didn’t even have this, the district's pomp prosecutor came to the base, took a large batch of scarce goods, distributed it among the controlled speculators and everything, well, sensitive to the base workers, left, let's say, a pair of jeans for 5 people and that's it.

          Nonsense. The further into the forest, the more firewood. I will speak for the end of the 70s, and the mid-80s. There were no coupons then. Empty counters, ration cards, coupons, no sausages, no consumer goods, prosecutors scour the bases, requisitioning goods, a complete kapets, how the people lived, what they ate, how they dressed - horror. What shops to run and when, if from 8 am to 5 pm at work? And if in three shifts? I slept and went to work. In production, workers canteens work, some around the clock. The food is tasty, high-calorie, healthy, portions to the dump. At the beginning of the 80s, it was possible to make grocery orders at factories, from where these cards came from. What are healthy butuz in kindergartens
          This is because of malnutrition in kindergartens, poor things were starving there. And the hard workers in the shops fell to hunger. They did not eat sausages, but they did not know another
          Many are not familiar with what the people's control is. So, as the prosecutor or his deputy began to behave like that at the base, requisitioning goods, there would be a signal, and not only to the district committee, but also to the regional prosecutor's office, and then the organizational conclusions. Everyone understood this and were careful not to engage in lawlessness.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 29 July 2021 13: 27
            +4
            Nonsense. The further into the forest, the more firewood. I will speak for the end of the 70s, and the mid-80s. There were no coupons then.

            1. Unknown
              Unknown 29 July 2021 15: 03
              +3
              The above, whether cards or coupons, do not say anything. This could be additional food for professions associated with hazardous working conditions, as well as supplementary rations for the military, shift workers and others. Himself in the same 83-year, received supplementary drinks in the hospital.
              1. TANKISTONE
                TANKISTONE 30 July 2021 23: 22
                +5
                Unknown
                The above, whether cards or coupons, do not say anything. This could be additional food for professions associated with hazardous working conditions, as well as supplementary rations for the military, shift workers and others. Himself in the same 83-year, received supplementary drinks in the hospital.
                We gave out similar coupons (DGMK - Dzhezkazgan Mining and Metallurgical Combine) for meals in the production canteen: 1 coupon for 1 working day. 21/22/23 coupons per sheet, + for milk for hazardous production. Coupons were also accepted in public catering canteens. You could eat in the dining room (3 shifts) or take it with a brake (not to be confused with a young man with a belated reaction to the world around him) ...
          2. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 30 July 2021 08: 10
            +1
            There was a shortage, in this case, there was imported goods, and so there was a product. For sausage, it started somewhere in the early 80s, they went to Kerch or Novorossiysk, to hero cities. In Kerch on Meteora, to Novorossiysk by bus or by car with someone. Tallons, it wasn't until the 90s
      2. astra wild2
        astra wild2 29 July 2021 08: 55
        +2
        "one of the nails in the coffin:" the leading party ", and then there were no Leninists in the party leadership. And there were:" Sovburs "as I heard from my grandmother, they were going to change their shoes in a jump
        Although now they scold the planned economy, but it is a useful thing. Those who changed their shoes can confirm this: they prepared thoroughly and, on the command: “to start, march,” jumped together and changed their shoes. If they had not planned carefully, they would not have been able to destroy my fairy tale !!!
    4. ism_ek
      ism_ek 29 July 2021 06: 26
      +11
      There were indeed coupons, but this was not a consequence of the fact that little food was produced in the USSR. In terms of meat consumption (especially beef), we still have not caught up with the USSR.
      The problem was with the fixed prices. This year, sugar prices have been limited and, as a result, empty shelves. And the problem is not that there is no sugar in the country. He is there. It just became unprofitable to pack it. The government did not take into account the interests of the packers. And all Magnets and Pyaterochka sell exclusively packaged sugar. (((There is no one to pack sugar in Pyaterochka.
      Yes, in 1984 we had coupons for sausage in Sverdlovsk. But I ate this sausage much more than now and it was not chicken, but pork and beef.
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 29 July 2021 07: 36
        +1
        Fixed prices were killing the economy.
        Beef of the 1.80st category is 1.20 rubles / kg, the second category is 60 and the third is XNUMX kopecks.
        Prices 1977
        A bottle of vodka 4.12
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 29 July 2021 13: 27
          +3
          Quote: ee2100
          Prices 1977
          A bottle of vodka 4.12

          This is "Stolichnaya", and Moscow until 1980 cost 3,62. It was by this vodka that one could judge about Soviet education ... the ignition order in a six-cylinder engine is defined as 1-5-3-6-2-4, that is, fifteen by three sixty-two by four! Or ... 3,62 is the product of pi squared divided by e and rounded to two digits after the dot ... error ± 0.01 wassat And it was the rise in price of this vodka that gave birth to this rhyme!
          It was three, but it became five - still take it again!
          Even if it’s eight, we won’t stop drinking!
          Tell Ilyich - we’ve got ten on the shoulder,
          Well, if there is more, it will turn out like in Poland!
          Well, if - twenty-five - we’ll take Winter Winter again!
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 29 July 2021 16: 44
            +2
            My senior work colleague really liked this bitch:
            "Tell Ilyich ..." He said it was inspired by the revolution!
        2. viva_cuba
          viva_cuba 3 August 2021 11: 37
          0
          We have never had such prices for meat :)
          meat only on the market or in a consumer cooperation shop at 5 rubles / kg. Yes, even with a body kit
      2. Glory1974
        Glory1974 29 July 2021 09: 52
        +8
        The problem was with the fixed prices. This year, sugar prices have been limited and, as a result, empty shelves.

        And then I racked my head, what is the problem. Therefore, prices were released in Russia in 1991, and economic prosperity began immediately.
      3. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 29 July 2021 10: 00
        +3
        Sugar was actually produced in May 21, one and a half times and less, this will be ok, the beet harvest is good
      4. Edward Vashchenko
        29 July 2021 10: 20
        +13
        Dear Ilya,
        Often people do not know or in fact, especially those who only found the USSR in the last years of the collapse, say: there was no food in the USSR.
        The USSR was a food superpower in an area of ​​completely risky farming. For the USA, for example, this figure, if I am not mistaken, is only 10%, for Canada it is slightly higher.
        Those who once studied at school should know that the entire territory of the United States, except for Alaska, is located south of Kiev! South of Kiev! But they don't grow bread in Montana.
        The problems of the USSR, from the point of view of management, were as follows:
        First, to feed the 10 million army, well, such a small task.
        Second, to produce and grow more and more, that is, to somehow sharply achieve even greater intensification, satisfying everyday demand.
        In our country, for example, everyone knew that bread cost 20 kopecks. it is very profitable to feed chickens and ducks, and bread was bought in sacks.
        Everything is clear, and Soviet economists knew it, cut market prices, or whatever Russian Railways calls it, dynamic prices, and the deficit will disappear.
        That is, the price is 50 kopecks. would scare them away and they would have to go to the collective farm market for mixed feed or grain.
        Remember, in the Soviet film "From the Life of Fruits" (The investigation was conducted by experts) one "farmer" explains why his products are more expensive than collective farm products, but they are there, there is in the bazaar.
        And then the second moment, when they say that there was no "food" in the USSR, but no one went to the collective farm market or bazaar, everything was there, like in a supermarket, but a chicken, not 2,20 (I could be wrong), and 5-6 rubles. And not blue. And the sausage in the range, but not at 2,20 or 2,40. And the collective farm cake was sold, but ... at a different price.
        And the Soviet people, which, probably, naturally, wanted to sit down at the Christmas tree, and ...
        I repeat, enter “dynamic” or market or bazaar prices, and everything would be like a Western “supermarket” or in a boucherie or épicerie (ah Paris, Paris).
        The leadership knew and understood this.
        But, firstly, and secondly, the conscientiousness of the "damned Bolsheviks" who strove to improve the lives of citizens of the USSR, although they could explain, through propaganda, how the dynamics of world prices, NATO and the world gendarme of the United States, affects the prices of carrots in our country.
        Third, such changes would really be used by enemies both inside and outside, Novocherkassk remembered.
        Fourth, and it was extremely difficult to intensify agriculture, like everything else, by the way, I am writing this as a professional “intensifier”.
        Here is such a zugzwang.
        hi
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 29 July 2021 10: 51
          0
          Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
          And the Soviet people, which, probably, naturally, wanted to sit down at the Christmas tree, and

          Eco you, my friend, ugly ...
          The Soviet people, having defended themselves at the machine, for 150 rubles a month, in accordance with the tariffs approved by the ministry, simply wanted to purchase the goods necessary for their existence, at prices approved by the same ministry. By the Ministry of Labor and Wages.
          And in the end, I wasted my time on long trips to the shops, choosing between nothing and wow!
          Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
          The leadership knew and understood this.
          But, firstly, and secondly, the conscientiousness of the "damned Bolsheviks" who strove to improve the lives of citizens of the USSR, although they could explain, through propaganda, how the dynamics of world prices, NATO and the world gendarme of the United States, affects the prices of carrots in our country

          You think too well of those idiots who the aspirations of the common people were before the lantern.
          The crisis in the economy of the Land of Soviets began in the mid-60s, when the long-term plans laid down by the ministers of the Stalinist recruitment began to be replaced by "circumvention technologies" of the party apparatchiks of the Khrushchev draft.
          Pricing distortions were obscured by the redistribution of financial flows from one pocket to another. But economics cannot be substituted with loud phrases and promises of communism by 1980. If consumer goods, including food, were produced in the amount of 1 million rubles, and the people received 5 million in wages, then a deficit is inevitable.
          It should be remembered about the seven with a spoon, sitting on the neck of one bipod.
          Here is the answer to the question about labor productivity on average in a hospital ..
          1. Edward Vashchenko
            29 July 2021 12: 22
            +9
            Dear simply Ilyich,
            The Soviet people, having defended themselves at the machine, for 150 rubles a month

            But those who simply did not want to "stand for 150 rubles at the machine" today has the opportunity, with the same level of knowledge and training, to stand for 12 hours in the trading floor or at the "free cash register" at the uncle's.

            The point was that if this is yours, then you do not "stand" at the machine, but work, do not go to the army for a salary, but serve ... for your own
            hi
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 29 July 2021 12: 35
              0
              Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
              But those who simply did not want to "stand for 150 rubles at the machine" today has the opportunity, with the same level of knowledge and training, to stand for 12 hours in the trading floor or at the "free cash register" at the uncle's

              Come on...
              A young specialist with a higher education began his career for 130 rubles a month.
              This is the so-called today. free distribution. And then - where you were appointed - there and you will go to serve a term of 5 years. Or 3 years - if secondary vocational education.
              Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
              The point was that if this is yours, then you do not "stand" at the machine, but work, do not go to the army for a salary, but serve ... for your own

              You, my dear, do not seem to have lived in those unforgettable times. Let me remind you that there was such an article "For parasitism".
              The labor market was regulated through the personnel departments, and was not self-regulated by "I want it, I don't want it, mine is not mine".
              And the sad ending of this Soviet hopelessness was unrestrained drunkenness. Both household and workplace. Since it was useless to change the place of work, and after seeing empty counters in the grocery section, people automatically went to the wine and vodka - the counters were not empty there, the shnyaga and shmurdyak made of rotten apples and wood alcohol were companions of the Soviet people.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 29 July 2021 14: 28
                +4
                ... And then - where you were appointed - there you will go
                I should have learned better. I chose where to go.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 29 July 2021 18: 27
                  +2
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  I should have learned better. I chose where to go

                  Here is no need to be clever?
                  We chose everything from the proposed, according to the weighted average final grade for studies.
                  But for some, even higher education did not give either a culture of communication, or at least some kind of respect for the opponent.
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 29 July 2021 19: 49
                    +3
                    at least some respect for the opponent.
                    You see, everyone has their own religion. I'm not saying that everything was perfect in the USSR. The author, for example, spoke about one side of the life of the Union. And then the vultures swooped in and began to croak how bad everything was. Bad compared to what? Why none of the spitters in the USSR wants to talk about today's life. The Soviet Union is no longer there, so let's discuss our past as correctly as possible.
                    As for the choice after graduation, I really did choose between Sevastopol and Murmansk. I chose north. It happened.
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 29 July 2021 21: 49
                      +2
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      You see everyone has their own religion

                      Excuses, first-year level ...
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      The author, for example, spoke about one side of the life of the Union.

                      The author did not say anything sensible. A couple of links to statistics and his conjectures.
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      And then the vultures swooped in and began to croak how bad everything was

                      I have not seen a single intelligible objection to the facts I have cited. Only a minus from the "Bolshevik guild".
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      Why none of the spitters in the USSR wants to talk about today's life. The Soviet Union is no longer there, so let's discuss our past as correctly as possible.

                      We live in the present day, we observe it from each side. And those who are satisfied with the current state of affairs are often not members of the VO forum.
                      Nevertheless, a day does not go by so that a stone is not thrown into the garden of the current government.
                      But! Since no one can offer a clear alternative (this is not to persuade Nabiullina and Siluanov in all paragraphs), they decided to raise the legend of life in the USSR on the shield.
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      As for the choice after graduation, I really did choose between Sevastopol and Murmansk. I chose north. It happened

                      It so happened that I chose Arkhangelsk.
              2. ee2100
                ee2100 29 July 2021 16: 42
                +1
                I will support Edward again!
                I will correct the figures, doctor's sausage 2.10 rubles / kg, amateur sausage 2.20. Chicken (with paws) 1.75 ₽ / kg.
                But basically I wrote everything correctly. These were decisions that were really difficult to make, I was about the rise in food prices. Both poultry and pigs were fed with bread for 14 kopecks, and then the "surplus" was sold on the market.
                The young specialist had to work after university for 3 years and the salary (minimum) was 120 rubles a month.
                The worker (worker) received at least 60 rubles a month. If you wanted to work, the earnings were really big.
                Yes, many received 150 rubles a month, but they worked accordingly, not really overworking. This is the same lumen. For them, the increase in food prices would be a disaster "And why drink?"
                In the 6th year of the university, I made a monthly salary of 210 rubles and plus a scholarship.
                In 1977, in the summer with a friend, they worked at a champagne factory (Leningrad, Sverdlovskaya emb.) In the shift were only, women 50+, they earned a pension, and before that they all worked in "necessary" but low-paid positions.
                The situation in the USSR was stalemate, everyone understood this, and there was no person who would have ruled it out.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 30 July 2021 07: 12
                  0
                  Quote: ee2100
                  Yes, many have received 150 rubles a month, but they worked accordingly, not really overworking. This is the same lumen. For them, the increase in food prices would be a disaster "And why drink?"

                  this was the salary of our TEACHERS in schools by the mid-80s. According to you, lumpen.
                  this is the salary of a non-ordinary designer (private-115 rubles) This is the salary of Russian peasants

                  In your lumpen ... tens of millions human.
                  1. ee2100
                    ee2100 30 July 2021 12: 06
                    +2
                    "You have tens of millions of people in your lumpen."
                    So you have counted.
        2. Artyom Karagodin
          Artyom Karagodin 29 July 2021 10: 56
          +6
          I would like to add a couple of touches to your (very successful) post:

          1. They sell grain abroad, not flour, not because they do not want to establish production, but because there is very little demand for flour in the world: it is MUCH more difficult to transport and store. So criticism of this very aspect of the activities of modern Russia is incorrect. True, the general line of thought is 100% correct: the trend towards processing raw materials and selling abroad high-value products is only now beginning to gain momentum. And then with great difficulty, to put it briefly.

          2. The lag of pre-revolutionary Russia from the West for several centuries is no less a myth than the "oil needle" of the USSR. It is based on the fact that the Russian Empire is compared separately with the same Great Britain and France, forgetting that these countries themselves are the metropolises of huge colonial empires. And in this case, the indicators of the RI must be compared with the entire British or French Empire. This refers to the socio-economic situation, the level of science, medicine, etc. Here we can only single out the United States, which took the lead due to its overseas position and the fact that for a whole century and a half it was focused almost exclusively on the development of its own territories. But in any case, at the beginning of the 40th century, no more than 40% of the population lived there in cities. At the same time, it is not taken into account how many of these XNUMX% lived in small towns, not much different from the village. And how many people in Russia were officially peasants, and at the same time worked in the city?

          I would like to point out right away that I am not going to admire pre-revolutionary Russia, "which we have lost." It would have been all right there - they would not have lost it. I just think that you need to try to look at everything, if not objectively, then at least impartially. You are absolutely right that the USSR in the 20-30s was able to make an unprecedented leap forward in scientific and technological development. True, the lag that had to be eliminated was caused by the fact that pre-revolutionary Russia did not lag behind the West. It took place, but it was not very critical, especially since we actively tried to make up for it, and even managed to do something. The lag appeared after the ruinous First World War (although during this period high-tech industries made great strides), and then the Civilian finished off everything. After all, it was much more destructive than the American one.
        3. Undecim
          Undecim 29 July 2021 13: 04
          +3
          First, to feed the 10 million army, well, such a small task.

          The second is to feed the five hundred million, ever-hungry, great black-ass brotherhood of Africa, which announced the socialist path of development and pays for feeding with savory kisses during their regular visits to Moscow.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 29 July 2021 14: 31
            +1
            The second is to feed the five hundred millionth ever-hungry great black-ass brotherhood of Africa,
            And it is true that the current oligarchs take it themselves. I wonder if anyone has counted how many yachts
        4. Woodman
          Woodman 29 July 2021 13: 04
          +4
          Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
          First, feed the 10 million army,

          The army reached such a size only during the Second World War. By the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union, the size of the army did not exceed 4 million people, i.e. approximately 1,5% of the population. Not an extremely difficult task, let's face it.
          Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
          In our country, for example, everyone knew that bread cost 20 kopecks. it is very profitable to feed chickens and ducks, and bread was bought in sacks.

          Black. And you can't find ordinary loaves with fire during the day. I’m not talking about cities, I’m talking about those places where they bought bread bags for "chickens and ducks" - about villages and villages. And this is despite the fact that in each regional center there were both bread and milk factories. And so with all other products. What is simpler - that in bulk. And if you want a little better - get out to the cities of regional significance. Not even a district one.
          But it probably also somehow depends on the region. For in those years I had a chance to visit the Baltic republics ... The difference in the assortment on the store shelves was, to put it mildly, very noticeable ... Maybe the local "damned Bolsheviks" had more "conscience"?
        5. Olgovich
          Olgovich 29 July 2021 15: 34
          -1
          Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
          But, firstly, and secondly, the conscientiousness of the "damned Bolsheviks"

          name by name these "conscientious". lol

          Your first "conscientious", of course, Ligachev:
          " The consignment STARTS TO TURN to social problems of the village

          This, for a minute, 1990, 28th convention-already ravaged, dying out and depopulated the heart of Russia Non-Black Earth, and they ... begin to turn, belay Lavrov ...

          By the way, do you remember that in just 20 years, by 1979, 44% of the population of the village of Non-Black Earth Region RUNNED to the cities from the agricultural sector? That in just 30 years by 1989, the conscientious "without a twinge of conscience destroyed MORE than HALF of settlements in Russia (160 thousand), more than 40 thousand schools, tens of thousands of clubs, abandoned millions of hectares of agricultural land? That under the snow they managed to constantly send a third of the harvest and tens of millions of centners of grass fodder? That by 1989 70% of labor on farms in Russia ... is manual? Is it possible for the owner?

          With whom were you going to tynsify the Non-Black Earth Region, if for 70 years they could not and your people, no means (and just brains) already had no trace of them already in the 1980s? request
        6. chenia
          chenia 30 July 2021 09: 31
          +2
          Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
          First, feed the 10 million army


          Power structures on public goods up to 5.4 mln.

          Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
          And the sausage in the range, but not at 2,20 or 2,40. And the collective farm cake was sold,


          There was always meat at the bazaar, but there was definitely no sausage (only in the cooperative).

          Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
          Second, to produce and grow more and more

          We must not forget that every 10 years the country grew by 22-23 million people (and there was a tendency for an increase in absolute growth), which is not observed now.

          Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
          enter "dynamic" or market or bazaar prices,

          Yes, meat hasn't changed in price since the 60s. And raise the price at that time one and a half times, the shelves would have collapsed from abundance, and one should always take into account such a thing as affordability.
          I agree-
          Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
          and everything would be like a Western "supermarket" or in a boucherie or épicerie (ah Paris, Paris).


          Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
          Fourth, and it was extremely difficult to intensify agriculture,

          And the hell is he whining? If we introduce Soviet GOSTs now, then intensified goods do not fit into the third grade either.
        7. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 30 July 2021 19: 18
          +1
          In the 70s and early 80s, prices for chickens were 1 p 65, 2 p 80, 3 p 40, the last - frozen Hungarian. The former was very good soup, the latter were very good for baking in the oven. This is how I was engaged in cooking as a student.
      5. Ryazan87
        Ryazan87 29 July 2021 10: 55
        +1
        In terms of meat consumption (especially beef), we still have not caught up with the USSR.

        Are you seriously?
        The average consumption of meat and meat products (including category II by-products and raw fat) per capita in Russia * at the end of 2019 was 76 kg.
        Similar figures for the RSFSR for 1980 - 62 kg.
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 29 July 2021 16: 39
          +3
          The method of converting meat products into meat still uses conversion factors originally from the USSR. Not taking into account the nature of changes in the composition of products.
      6. ycuce234-san
        ycuce234-san 29 July 2021 11: 18
        +4
        The government did not take into account the interests of packers. And all Magnets and Pyaterochka sell exclusively packaged sugar. (((There is no one to pack sugar in Pyaterochka.



        Vending machines are to be put in chains and small shops or even near the centers of attraction of masses of people - sugar makers, vodkomats, salt mats. This is free-flowing sand and liquid, easy to dose. There are water dispensers and even egg and milk dispensers (and milk is a sooooo capricious and perishable product ....) and selling vegetable oils, salt, granulated sugar, sugar syrup, vinegar is much easier. Most of these products are easy to store as they are often provided with a built-in refrigeration compressor.
        It is also useful to combat covid and flea markets and queues, especially if customers can look on their smartphones where and how much and what there is in street vending machines nearby.
        Perhaps, sooner or later, networks or large infrastructure businesses will figure out such a step.
      7. Serg65
        Serg65 29 July 2021 13: 28
        0
        Quote: ism_ek
        In terms of meat consumption (especially beef), we still have not caught up with the USSR.

        Join again Kazakhstan and Central Asia and surpass the USSR at times in beef consumption!
    5. nikvic46
      nikvic46 29 July 2021 09: 07
      0
      Nikolay. "Something with memory" became yours.
    6. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 30 July 2021 19: 04
      +1

      Here is the state of affairs in the Moscow region in 1989-90. Lyubertsy district.
  3. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 29 July 2021 04: 44
    +9
    recourse the question arises, if such figures are for meat, then why was there not enough meat under the USSR (in recent years), (empty shelves), and now there is enough?
    Also, some doubts about today's words about "food safety"
    1. Far B
      Far B 29 July 2021 04: 57
      +11
      If such figures are for meat, then why was there not enough meat under the USSR (in recent years) (empty shelves), and now there is enough?
      So the figures are not for meat, but for the livestock of cattle, and this is also a dairy herd. Remember, under the Soviet Union there were such cisternocks with the inscription "Milk" on the corner near the shops? And to them in the morning people with cans lined up to take fresh and natural? Do you remember the milk trucks? This is not today's, at best restored, buy. And as for the current abundance, then we need to look at what the consumption of meat per capita was then and is now. And where does this cattle meat come from to Russia now?
      1. Asad
        Asad 29 July 2021 05: 09
        +8
        Milk tanks in Novosibirsk can be found in many places, the quality is normal.
        1. Lynx2000
          Lynx2000 29 July 2021 05: 30
          +5
          Quote: ASAD
          Milk tanks in Novosibirsk can be found in many places, the quality is normal.

          To be honest, I have not seen milk being sold in this way these days. Now for the legal trade in chilled unpasteurized milk and dairy, fermented milk products, it is necessary to be registered in the Mercury system by drawing up sanitary and veterinary documents and trading in special places with refrigerated display cases. Where in Novosibirsk do they sell it now?

          Correctly noted in the comments. The share of cattle takes into account the so-called. milking livestock. For meat, accounting is carried out by weight. Having a livestock in a herd, let's say 50 heads for fattening get a not quite profitable weight gain (depending on the breed, feed, cattle care) than from 25 heads of a different breed, better feeding and care.

          Statistics in agriculture are such an unreliable thing, they counted a cow this morning, and after dinner a bear lifted her up ...
          Or they reported, counted and took into account the area sown with hectares of wheat, the hail shoots were beaten.
          1. not main
            not main 29 July 2021 22: 19
            0
            Quote: Lynx2000
            To be honest, I have not seen milk being sold in this way these days. Now for the legal trade in chilled unpasteurized milk and dairy, fermented milk products, it is necessary to be registered in the Mercury system by drawing up sanitary and veterinary documents and trading in special places with refrigerated display cases

            Honestly, I didn’t think about it! But two years ago there were such "barrels" and sold fresh milk! And now they are gone ... and this is where the dog rummaged!
        2. parusnik
          parusnik 29 July 2021 06: 16
          +8
          And in our area, the last dairy plant went bankrupt in 2011, few people keep cows in the countryside, let alone under the damned communists. But there is a lot of milk in the store. In one of their villages there was a poultry farm, the same kayuk came. In the 5-rook, and even in the Tkachevsky Agrocomplex, eggs are sold, brought from the Urals.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 29 July 2021 06: 58
            +2
            hi good morning, Alexey! Are the birds turkeys? On the boxes we have it written that Krasnodar Territory. That is, they bring all the products to you, like eggs, does it work? It is your territory of the Krasnodar Territory for some reason that is not suitable for the production of food, even for yourself? ... why then, if the factories are worn out. And not a resort, as you wrote.
            1. parusnik
              parusnik 29 July 2021 15: 42
              +5
              We had a so-called turkey store on the market, turkey meat is more expensive than pork and beef. The territory of the KK was useful to several people for making a profit. Specifically, Dmitry, in our area everything is imported, I don’t know for others. I know that the state farm Northern Gardens, pears, plums, apples, has not been growing for a long time, the orchards have been cut down, the state farm, Semenovodchesky does not grow carrots, tomatoes, onions and anything else that it used to grow; everything is seasonal, there was a goose farm, the pond remained, and the ruins of the buildings are no longer visible, grapes are grown, but there are wine varieties, not canteens, and canteens, but the price is the same as in Azerbaijan, the latter, there is no fish, otherwise what is expensive. How good it is to look from St. Petersburg and imagine that there is paradise, because the south laughing
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 29 July 2021 17: 36
                +4
                hi Thanks, Alex! wink for a detailed answer.
                We sell a lot of products with inscriptions that are from the Krasnodar Territory. Sunflower oil, different varieties of rice, different exotic jams, there was even cheese good with blue mold. (our answer to foreign sanctions.) And of course, fruits, vegetables, juices in boxes, which we always have, other vegetables, canned fruit ....... that's why a good attitude to the region and people. And interest.
                And I can't stand the heat, northern man. Although, once was in the south for the summer. Do not want anymore.
                About the market. The Soviet people were confident that they would be in demand, and did not think that there would be swindlers, thimblers, thieves, thieves, overseers, etc. in this capitalist market. Were wrong
                1. parusnik
                  parusnik 29 July 2021 18: 01
                  +3
                  Yes, Dmitry, this is all from the Temryuk district laughing In the village of Volna, st-tsa Taman, there is a plant, sunflower oil, transports by tankers and prepares fries, South seeds, it seems that people do not live badly there, at the expense of the local tax, improvement is going on, etc. In the Kurchansky estuary there are several oil rigs, and the station of the same name is subsidized by the settlement, like all the villages lying within its borders, in the village of Lenin's Svetly Path, until 2012 there were a technical school, workshops, a dairy plant, a butcher shop. -that, in short, there was enough work for the locals, now there is no such thing as jobs, but these are trifles, the main thing is the KK forge, the health resort, the granary. What you write about the pleasures for the stomach from KK, we are not even sold on the market, (rice, I don’t mean), your response to the sanctions is probably not affordable for the locals, we feed ourselves from a magnet and a pyaterochka, "Dubki", you are well acquainted with the realities of my area, and yes, there is a light at the end of the tunnel, only here is the tunnel, does not end. Good luck. hi
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                  2. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 29 July 2021 19: 22
                    +2
                    We need to watch new plots, although with kavid not very news, probably .....
          2. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 29 July 2021 15: 36
            -3
            It is not necessary to expose several Temryuk stores as a template for the entire region. In our area, the dairy is closed, the Kazakhs bought and modernized, but went bankrupt. Nearby, in Korenovsk, plows in full Ivanovskaya, "The Cow from Korenovka" is already familiar to all of Russia. What, everything is bad in the "region"?
            1. parusnik
              parusnik 29 July 2021 15: 53
              +5
              And I'm not writing about the region, I am writing about the region. Temryuk region, not the region. Simply, there is something to compare with what was in the region and what is not. And I judge by the market and by prices. The market determines the prices. Anyone is not local. , everything knows about the place where I live. At the same time, I do not discuss other subjects of the Russian Federation, since I do not live there. hi Good luck to you, keep me informed, news of Temryuk region.
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 29 July 2021 21: 02
                -1
                That's right, you are not writing about the region, but on the example of a bankrupt dairy plant about the whole country. Not tired of whining?
                1. parusnik
                  parusnik 30 July 2021 04: 49
                  0
                  Another dairy that did not fit into the market, someone put money in his pocket, and someone was left without work. Here you have to rejoice. Whatever is done, everything is for the better.
            2. insomniacs
              insomniacs 29 July 2021 19: 38
              +3
              Ust-Labinsk?
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 29 July 2021 21: 00
                +1
                Yes, the best))
        3. astra wild2
          astra wild2 29 July 2021 09: 09
          +9
          Opposite my house, on Mondays, they sell: milk, cottage cheese, curd mass. 2 years ago - the tank was disgusting and the guy was selling a sloppy peasant. When he was reprimanded for the quality, the cottage cheese stank, he began to swear at the authorities and told all sorts of tales.
          Now a neat tank, quality cottage cheese and yoghurts
        4. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 30 July 2021 19: 43
          +1
          Milk tanks in Novosibirsk can be found in many places, the quality is normal.

          In the Moscow region, they also bring them to the market twice a week, good quality, boil, naturally, it is necessary, as in the good old days.
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 29 July 2021 05: 11
        +2
        ..... where is this cattle meat from? ..
        recourse from the warehouse, obviously, someone is chopping it off, but I'll take a look ...
        And then I remembered my mother's conversation with a neighbor in the country. As a neighbor chose for a long time, he bought a pork knuckle cooked-cooked, but no broth. Boneless beef was brought to mom from Crossroads. And some kind of broth turned out to be wrong ..... some too
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 29 July 2021 05: 51
        +6
        Quote: Dalny V
        So the figures are not for meat, but for the livestock of cattle, and this is also a dairy herd. Remember, under the Soviet Union, such tanks with the inscription "Milk"

        Now you don't need a lot of milk. Palm oil replaces it now in products! Very useful in the opinion of some members of the forum.
        1. Ryazan87
          Ryazan87 29 July 2021 11: 35
          +3
          Palm oil replaces it now in products!

          Today you say ...
          1. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 29 July 2021 17: 07
            0
            You will understand what you brought and whether this is anything else related to the post of Stas157
      4. SERGE ANT
        SERGE ANT 29 July 2021 05: 55
        +10
        Remember, under the Soviet Union, such tanks with the inscription "Milk"
        We remember, we remember in the center on the square in the morning, in the afternoon it was replaced by a cistern with the inscription "Beer." I always went personally with a can - because while you were waiting, you could learn all the news of the city and its environs and at the same time the political situation around the world. milk "just from a cow" with today's "don’t understand what" is not even worth comparing. Heaven and earth.
      5. Catfish
        Catfish 29 July 2021 07: 18
        +4
        Remember, under the Soviet Union, such tanks with the inscription "Milk" ...

        And in the early nineties, wine tankers appeared instead. I don't know how where, but in Moscow such people regularly appeared near Tsvetnoy Boulevard. The owners were Caucasians, and our murlo traded.
    2. Cartalon
      Cartalon 29 July 2021 06: 30
      +2
      There was a shortage of meat in the USSR not in recent years, but always, in the latter there was a shortage of sugar, it was something new, and the rest of the deficits, according to the shirpotreb, were always.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 29 July 2021 08: 01
        +2
        You know, there was no deficit as such, it was created.
        1. Cartalon
          Cartalon 29 July 2021 09: 21
          0
          You forgive me in the Union lived? Were you in the queues? Did you get any coat?
          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 29 July 2021 09: 33
            +1
            Daniil Konovalenko (Daniil Konovalenko)
            Today, 07: 58
            We didn’t even have this, the district's pomp prosecutor came to the base, took a large batch of scarce goods, distributed it among the controlled speculators and everything, well, sensitive to the base workers, left, let's say, a pair of jeans for 5 people and that's it.
            This is how a shortage of various goods was created, someone made a fortune, created initial capital, as if he felt that changes were coming, and someone stood in queues for insignificant residues.
        2. Glory1974
          Glory1974 29 July 2021 10: 00
          +3
          there was no deficit as such, it was created.

          In the late 80s, when suddenly disappeared from sale, then sugar, cigarettes, then washing powder, etc., I agree with you that this could have been done artificially.
          But in the early 80s, meetings were held in the Politburo specifically on the elimination of the shortage of consumer goods. That is, there was not enough goods for everyone, it was in short supply. For example, a story about cars. Some in the government were against the purchase of a factory abroad from the Italians, they decided to build their own in parallel. As a result, in addition to the plant for the production of Zhiguli, they made AZLK. But he could not, in terms of the number of cars produced, surpass the one bought from the Italians. There was a shortage of passenger cars until the 90s
          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 29 July 2021 10: 32
            +3
            We had this, not in the late 80s, but in the early "normal" 80s
          2. frog
            frog 29 July 2021 15: 24
            +3
            As a result, in addition to the plant for the production of Zhiguli, they made AZLK. But he could not, in terms of the number of cars produced, surpass the one bought from the Italians.

            It turns out that they wanted to buy an Italian factory in 1947 ... Who would have thought ?? As well as many others .... "Some in the government" simply did not understand why citizens need cars. In addition, a car factory is not cheap and complicated. And in construction and in operation ..... And we did not schmogli to build on their own way. In order to establish the production of scarce goods (ICHSH, high-quality, otherwise they are not in short supply)), you first need to do a lot, starting with a complete set ..... Qualitative work of the team, for example, and not His Majesty's Plan ... it's all money and time. Not to mention the fact that if you suddenly start sculpting high-quality radio equipment at a certain plant, who will buy low-quality equipment that is produced on another ??? In a planned economy (we have) this is a dilemma ....
  4. Far B
    Far B 29 July 2021 04: 50
    +7
    The change in oil prices during the period of the end of the USSR did not affect the structure of the country's economy in any way and could not be the cause of the economic crisis.
    Well, I don't quite agree. The fall in oil prices contributed to the emergence of the crisis. But not nearly as critical as the anti-Soviet people like to say. Perhaps even less than the "dry law" of Humpback. The crisis, IMHO, was formed from many factors, while the main one was the treacherous activities of Bullseye and his team. That is, in fact, the crisis of the late 80s in the USSR was artificially caused.
    1. SERGE ANT
      SERGE ANT 29 July 2021 05: 21
      +9
      But not so critical
      Yes, so much has already been said and negotiated, so many figures and diagrams with tables are given that it is not comme il faut and bad manners in one bottle. They repeat at times: "The USSR was on the oil needle. The USSR was ruined by the decline in oil prices." One of the reasons, but nothing more.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 29 July 2021 06: 02
        +9
        Andrei Ilyich Fursov noted in one of his stories that when the USSR began to sell oil, a stratum was formed among the highest secular nomenclature that had access to currency, to travel abroad, to communicate with these "partners." the desire to become the nomenclature, as it is, has already begun to cease social lifts, the nomenclature has become for itself. And now the behavior of the nomenklatura is hushed up and the phrase arises - the USSR was on an oil needle. ... there was still a lot of time before the tagged one
        1. astra wild2
          astra wild2 29 July 2021 09: 17
          +3
          We have a girl at work, she loves Fursov. I haven’t looked yet, then one thing another, but I’ll have to look
    2. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 29 July 2021 05: 46
      +3
      I agree. The crisis of the late 80s was artificial and manageable. Economically, it did not follow in any way, because any working system is able to stay afloat due to competent regulation. But the human factor has not been canceled. And most likely the legs grow from the West, because "look for who benefits" has not been canceled either. Unable for a number of objective reasons to destroy us by military means, the West used everything that was possible - economic pressure, culture, and sports. And most importantly, where they did it - the human factor. In any state, there is a bad guy who, for a jar of jam and a basket of cookies, with proper brainwashing, will do what is needed. Or will help. Therefore, many factors that strangely developed by the end of the 80s led to a resolvable crisis. But the human factor, which at that time was in power, with its perestroika and new thinking did its job. When the system could be adjusted and saved, on the contrary, it was misaligned. And then - voila. The referendum showed that the opinion of the people does not mean anything if those who are needed are in power. The result is known. The substitution of values, the stupidity of the people, the replacement of the spiritual component with the material one, the degradation of the elites are all true signs of a correct "democratic" state. And about the imposed pederasty with the distortion of history, I am already silent ...
      And Mishka advertises chips (or whatever, I don’t remember) and enjoys the presented trinkets with the belief that he’s right about saving the world from war ... Classic Bad ... request
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 29 July 2021 16: 27
        -1
        Quote: Rurikovich
        The crisis of the late 80s was artificial and managed.

        Imagine the DOCUMENTS of this "management" - and this should be thousands and tens of thousands of letters, decisions, instructions, as well as the structure - and these are many thousands of people
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 29 July 2021 17: 02
          0
          One, which is at the very top, is enough - and a couple of decisions, covered by great thoughts, destroy the system. A dozen is enough, but in one industry, that would, for example, sabotage the supply of certain types of food to some cities, causing a shortage. Then the right call - and a couple of media outlets write about the collapse of the economic system and that restructuring is needed wink And then think out for yourself. The USSR had a self-sufficient sustainable economy. The USSR had unnecessary people in power at the right time.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 30 July 2021 07: 19
            -1
            Quote: Rurikovich
            One, which is at the very top, is enough - and a couple of solutions, covered by great thoughts, destroy the system. A dozen is enough, but in one industry, so that, for example, we sabotage to disrupt the supply of certain types of food to some cities, causing a shortage.

            no idle chatter-DOCUMENTS imagine and the MECHANISM of sabotage.

            at the same time you will tell how, without a piece of paper and an order, the performers will stop shipping, they will rot and throw away, and how without a piece of paper all the controlling bodies will stop checking, imprisoning and judging

            Nonsense....
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 30 July 2021 19: 52
              0
              This document is the USSR Law of 26.05.1988/8998/XNUMX N XNUMX-XI "On cooperation in the USSR"
              It was he who allowed non-cash funds to be pumped into cash.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 31 July 2021 07: 48
                -3
                Quote: Aviator_
                This document is the USSR Law of 26.05.1988/8998/XNUMX N XNUMX-XI "On cooperation in the USSR"
                It was he who allowed non-cash funds to be pumped into cash.

                ON THE TABLE - documents of sabotage: orders for non-shipment, destruction of suitable goods, creating a deficit, etc.

                TATTLER yours is the least that interests.
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 31 July 2021 11: 53
                  -1
                  What are the claims on the submitted document? Full text on the internet by title.
                  TATTLER yours is the least that interests.

                  Have you tried looking in the mirror?
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 2 August 2021 07: 28
                    -3
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    What are the claims on the submitted document? Full text on the internet by title
                    there is NO indication of sabotage and a document of execution and who did what.

                    On the table, documents about sabotage, not your idle chatter!
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    Have you tried looking in the mirror?

                    Yes, you have enough! Yes lol
    3. Fat
      Fat 29 July 2021 09: 39
      -2
      made up of many factors

      hi Michael. Somehow, for a reason unknown to me, everyone overlooks the emergencies in the USSR in the second half of the 1980s.
      These are Chernobyl and Spitak ... The consequences of these cataclysms have not yet been completely cleared up. True, these are no longer problems of the Russian Federation ... Nevertheless, the Union spent huge amounts of money on eliminating the consequences. Unfortunately, I have not even met a rough estimate.
      1. depressant
        depressant 29 July 2021 11: 49
        -1
        To eliminate the consequences of the earthquake in Spitak, which occurred on December 7, 1988, the country's leadership had to allocate $ 10 billion. Borders were opened in Armenia, aid came from all over the world, and its total amount was at least $ 1 billion. And, by the way, help from abroad to Armenia is still going on. But the Armenians grumble: where does it go?
        An article on this topic:
        Sputnik Armenia
        Disaster Zone Bottomless Barrel:
        Where did the amounts allocated after the earthquake in Armenia disappear?
        1. Fat
          Fat 29 July 2021 15: 23
          +1
          hi Lyudmila Yakovlevna.
          The earthquake disabled about 40% of the industrial potential of the Armenian SSR. Secondary schools for 210 thousand places, kindergartens for 42 thousand places, 416 health facilities, two theaters, 14 museums, 391 libraries, 42 cinemas, 349 clubs and houses of culture were destroyed or fell into disrepair. 600 kilometers of roads, 10 kilometers of railways were put out of action ... 230 enterprises of machine-building, chemical, light and food industries with a gross output of about 2 billion rubles a year and a total number of production and technical personnel of 82 thousand people were completely or partially destroyed. ... Almost all industrial and social infrastructure in 1/3 of the republic's territory ceased to function. Direct material damage is estimated at 10 billion rubles (for 1988)
          So the material losses from the disaster will have to be at least doubled.
          Not to mention the fact that 25 people died 000 became disabled 140 lost their homes ... Oh, how hard it is all sad
  5. tatra
    tatra 29 July 2021 05: 44
    -3
    In the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR, there is nothing that is nothing good, but simply normal. So, to justify their seizure of the USSR, they simultaneously slandered the communists, invented a bunch of false, delusional anti-Soviet myths, including "the USSR sat on an oil needle, oil prices collapsed, and the USSR collapsed," and at the same time, cowardly blamed on the communists and their supporters responsibility for the seizure, dismemberment of the USSR into anti-Soviet-Russophobic states. And in general, Putin's Bolsheviks destroyed the USSR and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.
  6. Catfish
    Catfish 29 July 2021 05: 52
    +4
    Edward, thank you! hi
    Everything is concrete, without "water", is briefly and clearly stated. Another weighty splash of the current government, which is nice. Figures, they are numbers, you cannot argue with them.
    I wonder when the current incompetence of the authorities, these authorities will safely slam.? When will they "zero" themselves completely?
    Captain Murphy:
    • In any hierarchical system, each employee strives to achieve his own level of incompetence.
    • Over time, each position will be occupied by an employee who is incompetent in performing his duties.
    • Any bureaucratic organization is like a sump - the largest chunks always tend to climb to the top ....
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 29 July 2021 10: 19
      +3
      Oh, Konstantin, don't, this is a subjective opinion. And yet, here's this passage:
      Today hard varieties Kuban and Stavropol wheat merge abroad

      Let the author know the Kuban and Stavropol regions do not grow hard varieties wheat. Absolutely... And before you write nonsense, you should at least google it.
      1. Edward Vashchenko
        29 July 2021 12: 30
        0
        Dear Alexey,
        Let it be known to the author Kuban and Stavropol regions do not grow durum wheat. At all.

        The author knows this - a typo, I admit a mistake, just
        "wheat varieties, everything in a row"

        hi
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 29 July 2021 14: 12
          +1
          Edward, so if there is a surplus, then do not sell? Let it rot in warehouses and elevators? Do you need export earnings in foreign currency? I work for a company that is number 1 in Russia for the export of chicken meat. And not to sell it? Cut back on production, cut jobs, cut export earnings, and cut taxes to the budget?
          1. Edward Vashchenko
            29 July 2021 14: 51
            +2
            Dear Alexey,
            and where did I say that the surplus should not be sold or in general that it should not be sold? Under capitalism, you can sell what you want and how you want, within the framework of the law, of course.
            This is my opinion, and those thoughts that you attribute to me or simply mistakenly think that I think so)
            I will even say more. Far from being a fan of China, in the PRC they have been selling for a long time (I mean the last 25 years, since I have been working with the Chinese) everything, everything, everything that I could produce and sell, and only recently a program for the development of the domestic market was adopted.
            It all depends on the interests of the country, COUNTRY, COUNTRY!
            My objection is that the sale of bread is presented to the pro-government press as an unprecedented achievement of the entire galactic scale, but in fact, just the sale of raw materials due to a profitable conjunction.
            Все.
            hi
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 29 July 2021 15: 03
              +3
              My objection is that the sale of bread is presented to the pro-government press as an unprecedented achievement of the entire galactic scale, but in fact, just the sale of raw materials due to a profitable conjunction.

              First, they satisfied domestic demand. Secondly, the usual info of the war. After all, look at VO, paradise under the USSR, now hell - these are such comments. For food security, I wrote to you below.
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 30 July 2021 19: 55
        +1
        Once upon a time, durum wheat was grown in the Orenburg region, now I'm not sure.
    2. Ryazan87
      Ryazan87 29 July 2021 11: 27
      +1
      Everything is concrete, without "water", is briefly and clearly stated.

      Constantine, fear God! Distortion, lies, complete ignorance of the issue in the article + argumentation in the style:
      "(Lee Iacocca)", "has been refuted more than once in scientific and journalistic literature.", "Genius Nosov in this children's fairy tale."
      For children's fairy tales about the magical USSR - just right. However, it is difficult to expect anything else from Vaschenko.
  7. ee2100
    ee2100 29 July 2021 06: 00
    -3
    Socialism was defeated by a crisis inherent in the system itself. Everywhere there was an increase in demand over supply, and this is the main defect of the planned state system.
    Each enterprise, represented by a supplier, purchased goods for use. And the goods were redistributed throughout the territory of the socialist camp, depending on the talents of the suppliers.
    A joke of the times of socialism. "The paradox of socialism: the stores are empty, and everyone has refrigerators full to capacity"
    I agree with Eduard, the USSR was not on the oil needle.
    There are many factors that influenced the collapse of the USSR, and they were incorporated into the system itself, unfortunately.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 29 July 2021 06: 54
      +2
      Quote: ee2100
      Each enterprise, represented by a supplier, purchased goods for use.

      Didn't save. On nothing. And this is a minus for the economy. Somewhere there was something too much, but elsewhere it was badly lacking. This moment could be adjusted by market
      and price mechanisms. They talked about it, they understood it. But instead of correcting the economy, they destroyed all socialism and the USSR. Because there was still a problem in the irremovability of power and the static nature of the Politburo. And as a result - bad management.

      This is exactly what we are seeing now. Our elite, the government, selected by the method of negative selection and impudent with irresponsibility, is leading the country to new upheavals with a "right" hand.
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 29 July 2021 07: 22
        0
        And not only this. Each has its own story.
        In 1977-78 they explained to me and I understood how the system works. At the top, they understood this much better. But if they could not or did not want to change the system, then this power was doomed and it is not a pity for it. It is a pity for the country and the people, but these partocrats do not exist!
        Many people say that we are going exactly this way, but something on the part of the "elite" is not to be seen.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 29 July 2021 07: 51
          +2
          Quote: ee2100
          But if they could not or did not want to change the system, then this power was doomed.

          There was an opportunity. Moreover, there were even examples. After the revolution, when the country was in ruins, nothing worked. The factories were idle, the banks were not working, and the peasants did not want to grow grain (since the surplus would be taken away anyway) ... Lenin introduced the NEP. And everything starts spinning. There were examples of flexible management. But this, it seems, was no longer capable of the old Politburo of the late USSR, which brought the country to crisis.
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 29 July 2021 07: 52
          +4
          Hi Sasha! smile
          ... but something will not be seen by the "elite".

          So they don’t give a damn, capital is beyond the cordon, families are also there, they will pump the country dry and go to the Bahamas. There is Mishka, he lives happily ever after, and even climbs with advice, a specialist, his mother. Where are their kids? Daddies and mummies have long "worked out" for a comfortable life for them, but they still cannot stop. Their zhor has gone natural - more, more, more come on, and in fact they will not burst in any way, the infection.
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 29 July 2021 07: 59
            -2
            Hi Kostya!
            Biden said something like this, when asked why sanctions are not imposed against the Russian Federation, we do not want Putin to feel really bad!
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 29 July 2021 08: 14
              -1
              One had a friend Bill, the other had a friend Joe. Sidekick, damn it. Ugh!
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 29 July 2021 08: 27
                -4
                Tell me who your homie is and I'll tell you where to go laughing
        3. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 29 July 2021 09: 40
          0
          Many people say that we are going exactly this way, but something on the part of the "elite" is not to be seen.

          Hello! I agree.
          An unusual theme from Edward, which made me happy. And summed it up well:
          But it seems that the majority of representatives of the management elite do not have this awareness and still do not.
          1. depressant
            depressant 29 July 2021 12: 58
            0
            Good day everyone! )))
            Whatever the quality of economic management in the USSR, despite all that the interested persons arranged for us in the 80s and prepared earlier, in spite of all this, even Academician Sakharov in 1987 said the following:
            "There is no chance that the arms race can deplete Soviet material and intellectual reserves and the USSR will collapse politically and economically - all historical experience testifies to the opposite."
            There were no economic prerequisites for the collapse of the USSR! And the academician was very well aware of this. There were no prerequisites, despite the Chernobyl and Spitak mentioned in the comments. And although the tragedy in Spitak alone was estimated at $ 10 billion, not to mention Chernobyl, both problems were consistently solved within the budget. And this was so clear to us, the Soviets, that until now no one even dares to blame the collapse of the USSR on the financial insufficiency of the explosion and natural disaster. Felled on oil, which we have never heard of ...
            Many of us had no idea that the country was trading in oil! They had no idea about dollars! We heard about such a currency only when the shuttle traders appeared, and the Berezka stores and currency speculations were out of sight of the bulk of the people. That is why, taking advantage of our illiteracy in such a section of the economy as foreign trade, the version about the collapse of the economy allegedly due to the fall in world oil prices in conjunction with the "oil needle" began to be aggressively imposed just after 91. And it never occurs to anyone to argue: yes, the USSR was not a part of the capitalist economy! We were self-sufficient! Oil could not cause the collapse of the USSR. Just as the arms race imposed on us could not have caused the collapse, which, along with oil, was also widely discussed in the mass media as a reason for the collapse of the Union. But since this only caused a rise in pride among us, the Soviets, look, how many weapons we had and how powerful we were and could defend ourselves from anyone, then, realizing the PR mistake, they quickly removed the topic. And the fakeness of this approach to justifying the collapse of the USSR is confirmed by the above statement of Academician Sakharov, for all his unfriendliness towards the Soviet system.
            But having become part of the capital system and having adopted a number of laws for unlimited, truly frantic export of capital and shoving it into foreign banks, and this shameful act after the recently adopted law on currency easing is on the rise, we are really capable of hitting the bottom of this system and shatter into fragments.
            And if President Putin has other plans for Russia, let him decisively take his own measures. But it doesn't look like it yet.
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 30 July 2021 19: 59
              +2
              Lyudmila, you shouldn't quote Sakharov, the henpecked rebuilder, who was not able to make repairs in his own apartment, but undertook to advise how to make repairs in the country. The fact that he is an academician is the merit of Kurchatov and Beria, and the fact that he began to fight for the right of Jews to leave for permanent residence without paying the cost of the education received is the merit of Bonner.
              1. depressant
                depressant 30 July 2021 20: 20
                +1
                Sergei, you are right, the mention of this name caused a surge of negativity from colleagues. It seems to me that they did not even read it)))
                And what you have just reported, I have always known.
                Honestly, I thought that the conversation would be to the point, but, as always, they started talking about coupons, not realizing that they were not a consequence of socialism, but one of the methods of imposing capitalism. It was enough just to ask Yandex the question "Food dumps around Moscow in the late 80s." But who will do it! )))
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 30 July 2021 21: 45
                  +1
                  Lyudmila, in the midst of perestroika (late 80s), I was very surprised by the position of many people I respected at that time, who showed tremendous ignorance in matters outside the sphere of their professional activities. So one of them seriously argued that the principle of democratic centralism should be abolished in the CPSU, although it is he who, if used, is the best form of implementing decisions (first - a comprehensive discussion, after a decision is made - its steady implementation, if something is wrong - discussion again). This employee was kicked out not so long ago due to his age, although he was a candidate of so-called n., But he did not lead any topics (and he was not given) and "got hit by a steam locomotive."
                  1. depressant
                    depressant 30 July 2021 22: 13
                    +2
                    You know, I was exactly the same illiterate about the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, instinctively did not accept what was happening, did not see where they were leading, although I watched from home how they created a shortage of goods: all Sunday, trucks passed by, taking household appliances from warehouses to mountain villages , furniture, outerwear. They returned empty, they were loaded again and they went on new flights. Dozens of trucks! The Aabkhazians in the villages have huge stone sheds for storing wine and other things, which they call barracks, which can accommodate the contents of any warehouse. In short, on Monday the shops were empty. There was, of course, a sense of impending disaster, but the possibility of breaking the Union did not even occur to anyone. Nobody believed. And I just knew that there would be withdrawal. After the first words uttered by Gorbachev at the congress. She offered her parents to immediately sell the house and move to Russia - they did not want to, they thought that everything would be okay.
                    And only ten years ago I began to wonder why the Union was scrapped. And then a terrible thing was revealed - the betrayal of the top, and oil had nothing to do with it. Rather, she played the role of a coveted bait for traitors.
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 30 July 2021 22: 45
                      +1
                      Good evening, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
                      hi
                      I could not help but ignore your opinions, namely:
                      Quote: depressant
                      I was exactly the same illiterate about the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, instinctively did not accept what was happening

                      Quote: depressant
                      the USSR was not part of the capitalist economy! We were self-sufficient

                      Without pretending to be original, or any special knowledge, I will say that with the entry into adulthood (technical school, and then college), I constantly stumbled upon inconsistencies in what was declared by the party and what was happening in practice. My whole life during Soviet life was spent under explanations such as “temporary difficulties”, temporary problems, ”“ I have to be patient and the long-awaited paradise will come. ”Propaganda, you know, is so interesting. An example is the Former Ukraine ...
                      But about self-sufficiency, everything was much worse. If the industrialization of the country in 20-30. of the last century made it possible to approach developed countries in terms of basic indicators, then the Great Patriotic War seriously slowed down the development of the country's economy. And first of all - technologies that we did not have, which were bought, stolen, and copied. But what was good during the industrial period did not fit in the period post-industrial... This was noticeable in all industries, including the military-industrial complex. As a result, we spent much more raw materials and labor on similar products manufactured in highly developed countries. Resources in one word.
                      That is why the notorious "foreign currency" was a magic word denoting our lagging behind, and our curse. To get full dollars, marks, yens and pounds, the country traded as much as it could. Including oil.
                      Well, then everyone knows ...
                    2. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 30 July 2021 22: 52
                      +1
                      After school I left to study, my parents stayed in Orenburg, fortunately, on the territory of the RSFSR. My relatives, who lived in Uzbekistan, fled from there to Penza in 1991. Back in 1977, when he announced to his supervisor that he agreed to work during the summer student holidays, he rejected my enthusiasm (he had to somehow formalize it), and then I began to realize that everything was going wrong somehow. It's stagnant. Our training programs were of the post-war period, when it was urgently necessary to create jet technology, for this MIPT was created, and by the end of the 70s everyone was already fine. The presence of sausages in stores, and even more so clothes, never worried me. Both were - the sausage was, and I got along with Bulgarian jeans. There were no ideas for the development of society - no one knew what "developed socialism" was, in fact it was a copy of the consumer society.
                      1. depressant
                        depressant 30 July 2021 23: 20
                        +1
                        So are you a graduate of the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology? If so, then it's extremely cool)))
                        Sergei, the same sensations were. Nobody took the CPSU seriously. And somehow it fell out of the general attention that the capitalist ministers were consistently becoming the main ones. We didn’t really know them, only the prime minister didn’t attach any importance, didn’t see how these people, sitting on gold, oil and gas, on wood, drool over the billions of dollars flowing past their greedy little hands ...
                        You know, it seems to me that what we have now is the USSR, remade in accordance with their ideas about their own personal happiness.
                        Sergey, I am very sorry, the volume of comments on the topic is very large, it is extremely difficult to print. Let's continue the conversation on occasion.
                        Good night! )))
                      2. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 30 July 2021 23: 33
                        +1
                        Good night, Lyudmila. Yes, I am a 1978 graduate of the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology, Faculty of Aeromechanics and Flight Engineering. And you, as I understand it, graduated from MIET.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 29 July 2021 06: 06
    +4
    The contours of the crisis appeared when Gorbachev's unsystematic reforms began
    The foundation of the crisis was laid by N.S. Khrushchev with his decisions, especially in agriculture.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 29 July 2021 07: 07
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      The contours of the crisis appeared when Gorbachev's unsystematic reforms began
      The foundation of the crisis was laid by N.S. Khrushchev with his decisions, especially in agriculture.

      Seeing corn in the USA, Khrushchev was amazed and decided, if we have corn, then everything else will be by itself. Some experiments on agriculture and the countryside. At the same time, Stalin's environmental program was completely crossed out, like many other things.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 29 July 2021 07: 55
        +2
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Seeing corn in the USA, Khrushchev was amazed and decided, if we have corn, then everything else will be by itself.

        I still remember the taste of yellow corn bread - disgusting!

        Brezhnev began to trade oil for dollars, which put Russia under his dependence, but he could trade for rubles and the ruble would be a convertible currency ...

        By the 70th year, the West approached its collapse and only the policy of the top of the CPSU saved it from the inevitable "perestroika". After 25 years, perestroika came to us and the West again received an indulgence in the form of the resources of the entire USSR. Today, the West is again facing the last line and urgently needs resources, but there are no more places on planet Earth that could save it ...
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 29 July 2021 08: 03
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          Probably now corn is added to bakeries? Therefore, they do not stale for a long time?
          Instead of repairs, the building of the USSR was destroyed.
          Under Clinton, the US national debt did not grow precisely because they were fueled by the USSR.
          Since then, the states have destroyed other countries more than once, but --- still there was not enough.
  9. Procopius Nesterov
    Procopius Nesterov 29 July 2021 06: 19
    +2
    First, as we will see later, the share of oil exported was negligible compared to production.
    We open the collection of foreign trade of the USSR, in 1984 the share of oil in exports was 41 percent, gas was 10 percent, which is more than half of oil and gas exports.
    1. Far B
      Far B 29 July 2021 06: 36
      +2
      We open the collection of foreign trade of the USSR, in 1984 the share of oil in exports is 41 percent, gas is 10 percent. That is more than half of exports are oil and gas.
      Moreover, all exports:
      At the same time, all exports from the USSR in 1986 amounted to 68,285 billion rubles, or 4% of the GDP (≈GDP)
      How many exports of oil and gas and products of their processing are there now in our GDP (not in the one in the bunker!)?
      1. Procopius Nesterov
        Procopius Nesterov 29 July 2021 06: 52
        +1
        Because the author is cheating. GDP at that time is the Gross National Product, and it is on the first line in the collection to which the author refers, but there he apparently did not like the figure too low. 779 billion rubles. As for the export of oil and gas in Russia's GDP, according to the latest Rosstat data, this is 15 percent.
        1. Far B
          Far B 29 July 2021 07: 06
          +1
          GDP at that time is the Gross National Product
          Oops. And since when did gross domestic product suddenly become equal to GDP ???
          As for oil exports in Russia's GDP, according to the latest Rosstat data, this is 15 percent.
          The reference book you specified contains oil and oil... Rosstat, blessed by the Ministry of Economic Development, does it take into account oil products in this figure? And yes - 15 percent of GDP is slightly more than 50 percent of exports, which is only 4% of GDP, isn't it?
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          2. Procopius Nesterov
            Procopius Nesterov 29 July 2021 07: 25
            +2
            So At the end of 2020, the share of the oil and gas sector in the gross domestic product (GDP) of Russia amounted to 15,2%, I wrote incorrectly, 15 percent is the entire oil and gas sector, not oil exports.
            Do you want to calculate the share of the oil and gas sector in the USSR GDP or what?
          3. Terran ghost
            Terran ghost 30 July 2021 14: 55
            -1
            And since when did gross domestic product suddenly become equal to GDP ???

            You probably meant the gross national product. But in the case of the Soviet Union, these numbers were equal to each other. On the territory of the USSR, in fact, there were no (in quantities other than negligible) industries owned by foreign citizens and companies.
  10. Professor
    Professor 29 July 2021 06: 22
    +3
    One high-ranking official even argued that oil and gas are our curse and that if Russia did not have them, everyone would live much better. This is absolutely true. “Why work hard if foreign companies get oil from us, pump it over to themselves and pay us well for it?” But in general, it was prudently spent to acquire technologies and industries in which the USSR lagged behind.

    Lie. Everyone knows that the USSR not only did not lag behind the spiritless West, but was ahead of it.

    Let me remind readers that before the Great October Revolution, Russia's social and economic lag was several centuries behind the notorious West.

    Lies again. Under the tsar priest, dirty Europe lagged behind RI. It's a fact.

    But, and many of those who worked in production in the Soviet Union know about this firsthand, the production culture, due to natural lag, was extremely low.

    Lie. Soviet means quality.

    Fourth, taking into account the above, we note that there was no rigid link between oil sales and food purchases.

    This is wrong. Empty store shelves are an example.

    The fall in world oil prices, which undermined the economy of the Union, was repeatedly refuted in scientific and journalistic literature.

    But the direct link between the oil price on the world market and the economic strength of the USSR was proved even more times.

    Based on the statistics, we see that there is no need to talk about any "oil needle" for the USSR, and even more so about the economic crisis that could arise from changes in oil prices.

    The author is disingenuous by dumping all exports into one heap. It is one thing to export cars to Ethiopia, which has not yet paid for them, and quite another to crude oil for hard currency to Germany.

    Article minus. negative
  11. Procopius Nesterov
    Procopius Nesterov 29 July 2021 06: 25
    +1
    The USSR purchased mainly fodder grain for the development of cattle livestock
    Again, we open the collection of foreign trade and see that the USSR bought wheat in the USA and Canada almost as much as it did for coarse grains.
    1. Far B
      Far B 29 July 2021 06: 38
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      Again, we open the collection of foreign trade and see that the USSR bought wheat in the USA and Canada almost as much as it did for coarse grains.
      What varieties of wheat did the USSR buy? And which ones did he export?
      1. Procopius Nesterov
        Procopius Nesterov 29 July 2021 06: 56
        +2
        conversation between our correspondent D. GRANTSEV and the chairman of VVO "Exportkhleb" O. Klimov.

        - Oleg Alexandrovich, how much and in which countries did we buy grain in 1988, at what price?

        - The main suppliers of grain to the USSR are: from the socialist countries - China, Hungary, Bulgaria, and from the capitalist countries - the USA, Canada, France. Great Britain, Germany, Argentina. Australia, etc.

        Grain purchases abroad in 1988 amounted to 35 million tons, including 21,2 million tons of wheat, 2,4 million tons of barley and 11,4 million tons of corn for a total amount of 2363 million rubles. at an average price of 67,5 rubles. per ton.
        ......................................
        - What grain do we buy abroad
        Abroad, we buy hard and soft, including strong wheat, corn, barley, sorghum, soybeans and soybean meal. The requirements for the quality of these imported goods made to our customers are not lower than the requirements of GOSTs, and in some cases they are more stringent.
        1. Far B
          Far B 29 July 2021 07: 14
          -1
          Great. We've dealt with the import. And what about exports?
    2. tatra
      tatra 29 July 2021 06: 42
      -2
      Unlike the enemies of the communists, who would have been more willing to withdraw money, natural resources, grain from Russia, the Soviet communists were statesmen, and believed that for the normal provision of the people with high-quality bread, and for livestock feed, one ton per year per person was needed, and they produced 700-800 kg each, so the missing grain was imported. According to this scheme, the Russian Federation should not export grain, but import it.
    3. Avior
      Avior 29 July 2021 07: 13
      +3
      Grain is a general concept, it includes all grains, including wheat, barley, sorghum, corn and others.
      That is, in the table, one record includes several others.
      Purchased in the West mainly durum wheat, that is, food-varieties HRW (Hard Red Winter) and HRS (Hard Red Spring). The Americans generally sold very little feed wheat to the foreign market.
      Feed grain is corn, barley. It was also purchased, but in much smaller quantities.
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 29 July 2021 10: 23
        +3
        In general, the Americans sold very little to the foreign market for fodder wheat.
        Feed grain is corn, barley

        Let it be known to you that wheat is divided into 5 classes, up from the best to the worst. Hard varieties are classes 1 and 2, food classes 3 and 4 (this is exactly what they bought mainly), fodder Grade 5, goes to the preparation of feed.
        1. savage1976
          savage1976 29 July 2021 11: 54
          +4
          Comrades in some article saw this opus about the fact that now bread is made in the Russian Federation from feed grain and let's stick it everywhere, without even thinking about what and how bread is made from. That different grains contain different amounts of carbohydrates and fiber.
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 29 July 2021 14: 17
            +4
            the amount of carbohydrates and fiber.

            Maybe they meant Gluten? It is its percentage that determines the class of grain, the more, the better the grain and the lower the class. When exporting abroad, it is a little different, where the defining indicator is protein (protein). But its content also depends on Gluten.
            1. savage1976
              savage1976 29 July 2021 14: 29
              +2
              Yes, that's right, thanks for correcting it.
        2. Avior
          Avior 29 July 2021 12: 58
          +1
          I know.
          Below the third grade, Americans practically did not sell
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 29 July 2021 14: 04
            +1
            Grades 3 and 4 were sold, namely food. 1 and 2 are not likely. It is these classes that go to premium pasta. And for the mass bakery the 3rd and 4th. This was exactly the lack.
            1. Avior
              Avior 29 July 2021 14: 05
              0
              Americans primarily sold hard varieties.
              It was this grain in the Union that there was an acute shortage, gray sticky Soviet pasta will not let me lie
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 29 July 2021 14: 36
                +5
                Well, now pasta is also made from soft varieties. I say that the products are premium. Italian spaghetti for example. These are made of solid. Or a mix of grains, mix grains of different classes.
  12. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 29 July 2021 06: 30
    -1
    Both in the article and in the comments it is said that Gorbachev destroyed the USSR, but how did some human being able to destroy the system, tell me, I just can't understand? And the modern financial system was formed back in Bretton Woods, Stalin signed it, hoping to get a system of international settlements, the USSR had a positive experience of borrowing American technologies and with this system received a convertible ruble, and before that they were settled in gold.
    1. tatra
      tatra 29 July 2021 06: 38
      -1
      In another of the cowardly anti-Soviet myths - "how one person could destroy the USSR, it means that the USSR was bad." World history, and the history of our country has proved that "one person" - like Peter the Great, Stalin, Lee Kuan Yew, can both make a huge leap in the development / modernization of the country, and ditch it, surrender the country to their external and internal enemies and criminals - as benefactors of the enemies of the USSR on the territory of the USSR - Gorbachev, Yeltsin.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 29 July 2021 09: 54
      +2
      Not some kind of human, but the head of state. All of his decrees from the first day were aimed at destruction. What was he going to speed up and rebuild? And how many assistants he had. Yakovlev, Shevardnadze. And then the second echelon Yeltsin, Sakharov, Sobchak approached. Here and the third wave surged Gaidar, Chubais.
    3. Fat
      Fat 29 July 2021 10: 33
      -2
      the modern financial system was formed back in Bretton Woods, Stalin signed it, hoping to get a system of international settlements

      hi Igor. Truth? in 1943 in Tehran, Stalin was
      And in 1944 in Bretton Woods the Soviet delegation was headed by the Deputy People's Commissar for Foreign Trade M.S. Stepanov, he signed ...
      Decisions taken at the conference were to be ratified by the participating countries before the end of 1945. Stalin had no time to thoroughly consider the steps of the USSR after Bretton Woods. All forces were aimed at the victorious conclusion of the war. And life decreed in such a way that Stalin did not have to deal with the problem of ratifying documents related to the International Monetary Fund and the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development for a particularly long time. In April, 1945, President F. Roosevelt passed away, replaced by G. Truman. The period of allied relations between the USSR and the USA was rather sharply ended. In a short time, these relations turned into a confrontation, the initiator of which was Truman.
      In the summer of 1945, Truman announced the termination of the lend-lease program for the Soviet Union. The following year, Washington began to demand from the USSR completely unjustified payments to repay Soviet Lend-Lease debt. The loan in 6 billion dollars, which Roosevelt promised Stalin in Tehran in 1943, was out of the question.
      Under new conditions, it became clear to Stalin that membership in the IMF and the IBRD could inflict irreparable damage on the Soviet Union. And in December 1945, Moscow refused to ratify the documents of the Bretton Woods conference.

      Valentin Katasonov
      www.fondsk.ru (https://www.discred.ru/news/pravilnoe_reshenija_stalina_valentin_katasonov_bretton_vudskaja_konferencija_i_sovetskij_sojuz/2014-05-22-5877)
      In my opinion, this source is still better than Zen nonsense from Gleb Aleksushin, who for some reason did not find anything online about the Union's refusal to ratify the Bretton Woods agreement request
  13. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 29 July 2021 06: 57
    +4
    "... And the salon tango began ..."! lol
    I cannot count the statistics of the Soviet period as statistics a priori - when in the second half of the 80s, not only interruptions in food products began, but they practically began to disappear from the shelves, articles began to appear in the official press about the dangers of eggs, meat or something else, that could not be purchased in stores.
    A play on words about the cattle population is a play on words. If it happened to stop by the farm, then a sad picture arose before my eyes - bony and unwashed cows, giving minimal milk yield. One could not even dream of fresh meat on store shelves - fresh meat was sold only in the markets, at a price 3-5 times more expensive.
    But on TV they regularly aired a picture a la "Kuban Cossacks". Of course, the situation in Ukraine, in the south of Russia was better. But the whole country knew the words "deficit" and "by pull".
    Separately for milk.
    Yes, outbound trade in milk for bottling from cisterns was carried out. Only these mini-tanks were an order of magnitude smaller than the same ones with the Beer inscription. And often the milk bought from the funny milkmaid curdled when boiled.
    Therefore, today's youth simply cannot be explained - what are empty store shelves after 5 pm, that there were only canned food with seaweed on the shelves. And in the bread department sometimes it was impossible to buy bread - it was bought up by the villagers, who came to sell products from their own gardens to the collective farm markets.
    Soviet power collapsed because it could not feed its own people, and lost final confidence. There was no desire to walk on an empty stomach at the demonstration.
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 29 July 2021 07: 09
      +2
      I also remember the programs "UFO unannounced visit", such as not by bread alone smile
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 29 July 2021 09: 36
      0
      ..... The Soviet power collapsed because it could not feed its own people, ......

      If we recall the first years after the Revolution, then Soviet power was created in conditions of a terrible famine, typhus, a lack of absolutely EVERYTHING, a complete collapse of industry, a terrible deficit, and it grew stronger and stronger !!! After all, there was not enough workers, engineers, other specialists. Materials of absolutely all. Despite everything, Soviet power grew stronger
      those who survived, recreated the Country, brought up a generation that knew that it would be necessary to defend the Motherland from enemies, went to fight the Nazis !!!
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 29 July 2021 09: 59
        +2
        Quote: Reptiloid
        If we recall the first years after the Revolution, then Soviet power was created in conditions of terrible famine, typhus, lack of absolutely EVERYTHING, complete collapse

        The power of Tsar Nicholas II collapsed for the same reason as the power of the reborn Bolsheviks. And it all began with "women's demonstrations" under the slogan "Give me bread!"
        Every historical moment has an objective basis. By the end of the 80s, the people, overwhelmed by egalitarianism, looking longingly at the special distributors (some smoked sausage, and some liver for happiness), realized that it wouldn’t be better.
        Therefore, if we compare the historical conditions of the 20s of the last century with the 80s, we will see completely different people. In other words, it is impossible to put Bolsheviks like Rosalia Zemlyachka next to the characters described by Polyakov in the "Regional State of Emergency".
        Or have they forgotten that it was the party members who sometimes ordered the collective farms by telephone - when to sow, when to start harvesting?
        The figures in the reports of the party leadership were included in the statistics - false and controlled by the CPSU.
        But in reality it turned out much worse. The food crisis is proof of this.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 29 July 2021 10: 37
          -2
          ...... the power of the king ... collapsed for the same reason ......

          Suddenly bread disappeared in Petrograd! Although there was a lot of bread. Provoked !!!!!!!!!!!! As in the USSR. But, as market prices and shock therapy were introduced, the products appeared immediately. Likewise, discontent was provoked among the population. Also in Petrograd, then, many soldiers were waiting to be sent to the front. We watched how those who are richer behave. The army has been unhappy for a long time. Milyukov's speech "stupidity or treason" was delivered on November 1, 1916, and spread throughout the army.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 30 July 2021 07: 50
            +1
            Aha! 6 Februaryists ANONYMOUSLY marked this comment with minuses! Probably the descendants of the White Guards,
            Quote: Reptiloid
            ...... the power of the king ... collapsed for the same reason ......

            Suddenly bread disappeared in Petrograd! Although there was a lot of bread. Provoked !!!!!!!!!!!! As in the USSR. But, as market prices and shock therapy were introduced, the products appeared immediately. Likewise, discontent was provoked among the population. Also in Petrograd, then, many soldiers were waiting to be sent to the front. We watched how those who are richer behave. The army has been unhappy for a long time. Milyukov's speech "stupidity or treason" was delivered on November 1, 1916, and spread throughout the army.
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 29 July 2021 10: 44
          -2
          I forgot to write that the surplus appropriation system just appeared under Nikolay2, at the end of 1916. Often receipts were given instead of money. hi
          Until the evening. I'm running away!
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 30 July 2021 07: 55
            +1
            Quote: Reptiloid
            I forgot to write that the surplus appropriation system just appeared under Nikolay2, at the end of 1916. Often receipts were given instead of money. hi
            Until the evening. I'm running away!

            For this comment 6 ANONYMOUS kings-lovers were noted. Contrary to the facts, both the Februaryists and the king-lovers are angry and silent. Maybe this is something new - anonymous Februaryist-lovers of the king?
        3. Olgovich
          Olgovich 29 July 2021 16: 53
          +1
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          The power of Tsar Nicholas II collapsed for the same reason as the power of the reborn Bolsheviks. And it all began with "women's demonstrations" under the slogan "Give me bread!"

          only under Nicholas there was bread, there weren't even bread cards in St. Petersburg, there was a transport hitch. And also, for a minute, there was World war.

          But under the Bolsheviks, he really disappeared for many decades, and women's demonstrations were already shooting and imprisoned
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 29 July 2021 12: 53
      +4
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      Therefore, today's youth simply cannot be explained - what are empty store shelves after 5 pm, that there were only canned food with seaweed on the shelves.

      But there is no need to pump - apart from seaweed, there were also rows of rusty bottles from Polyustrovo. smile
      I still remember this picture in our supermarket: empty trays-refrigerators, and above them - shelves filled with bottles of this mineral water.
      "Polyustrovo" with noodles
      - We live well!
      © Auktsion
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      And in the bread department sometimes it was impossible to buy bread - it was bought up by the villagers, who came to sell products from their own gardens to the collective farm markets.

      In the bread section of the supermarket, trade was carried out on wheels. After the arrival of the car with the bread, the people almost took the stalls by storm. And there - no self-service, strict delivery: one loaf and one bread (round or brick) in one hand.
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 29 July 2021 14: 19
        +1
        But there is no need to pump - apart from seaweed, there were also rows of rusty bottles from Polyustrovo.

        And the pyramids of canned pollock))
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 29 July 2021 18: 36
          +6
          Quote: Okolotochny
          And the pyramids of canned pollock))

          Yes, you, my friend, really fattened!
          wassat
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 29 July 2021 21: 05
            +3
            This pollock is now a kind of delicacy, but then it is a little more expensive than seaweed))
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 29 July 2021 18: 34
        +4
        Quote: Alexey RA
        But there is no need to pump - apart from seaweed, there were also rows of rusty bottles from Polyustrovo

        Do you really forget Yura Khoi, with his lines ".. Thanks to the dear party, you are completely blind! Both mineral water and soft white bread!"
        wassat
  14. savage1976
    savage1976 29 July 2021 07: 11
    +8
    I agree with the author only that oil and its price are not the main reason for the collapse of the USSR, but one of many. And now about the author's mistakes.
    1. RI lagging behind the West for centuries, why not millennia or era? Sounds nice?
    2. Before writing about the purchase of grain by the USSR for feeding cattle, it would be worthwhile to find out that cattle are not fed with grain, it acts as a small supplement to the diet in the form of compound feed. The ratio of grain to other feed is about 1:30, that is, a kilogram of grain per 30 kilograms of other foods.
    3. Since the USSR bought grain for the development of cattle and the dumping of American and Canadian farmers, then the USSR was a very large exporter of meat. Let's look at the statistics, take, for example, 1985 and 1986, 27133 and 27870 thousand tons of meat and meat products were sold, 857479 and 936465 thousand tons of meat were purchased in the same year. So how was that dumped? And where did the meat go from that 100 millionth livestock in the USSR?
    4. Let's look at the statistics again, here we have already cited the tab above that by 1984 the share of oil and gas and minerals in exports amounted to more than 50% of exports, and if you follow the dynamics, then it grew annually since the 60s, but at the same time the share of purchases of products also grew food and consumer goods and accounted for more than 35% of all imports by 1990. This means a prudent spending of funds from the sale of natural resources. That is, the oil sold was used to buy food and clothing, not missing technology.
    5. Well, to the figures of the ratio of exports to GDP. 1980, 328000 cars were sold for 520000000 rubles, we find out with simple mathematics that 1 car cost 1500 rubles when sold abroad, in the USSR itself a car cost from 6000 and more. How so? So maybe this is because of those very 60 kopecks per dollar of the official exchange rate, but in reality, completely different numbers? They are 4 times different and extrapolating them to the entire export and you will get not 4% of the total volume of exports, but completely different figures.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 29 July 2021 07: 18
      -2
      Quote: savage1976
      And where did the meat go from that 100 millionth livestock in the USSR?

      The same goes for bonuses for overfulfillment of the cotton picking plan in Uzbekistan ...
      "The Telman and Gdlyan case" is an indicator of the "blameless" Soviet power, which was engaged in postscripting in all areas of the economy.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 29 July 2021 09: 47
        +1
        Comedian, you are, however. Can you tell us about the affairs of the various colonels. But there are those who are not subject to jurisdiction.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 29 July 2021 10: 11
          +3
          I'm fine with humor.
          You seem to have forgotten the "Uzbek cotton business"?
          How about memory?
          And there is no need to transfer the arrows to the colonels. If we are talking about corruption, then it has been and will be.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 29 July 2021 10: 48
            0
            I agree, it is and will be. But in your presentation, it looks like corruption is inherent in the Soviet Union, and all the rest are saints.
            Then one said that one man could not destroy the Union. But the cotton business is one of the steps to discredit the Soviet regime.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 29 July 2021 10: 59
              0
              Yes, why would?
              It is not necessary to portray celestials from the USSR of the late period and its party leadership (and there was no other).
              And the cotton business is a marker of the merging of the party apparatus with the criminals, in fact. They plundered the people by means of inscriptions and forgeries. For non-produced goods, they received bonuses, salaries, and most importantly, the amounts transferred to accounts for goods that were not in warehouses! By that time, the national republics had learned to transfer non-cash to cash. What contributed to either the deficit, what took place, or, in market conditions, wild inflation.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 29 July 2021 12: 44
                +3
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                It is not necessary to portray celestials from the USSR of the late period and its party leadership (and there was no other).

                If only late. In the case of the Leningrad trade (late 50s), only from the director of the Leningrad Regional Wholesale and Trade Base and only in one of the hiding places was seized:
                12 kilograms of gold coins, 5 US dollars, 160 gold bars, 11 gold plates, 5 rolls of gold foil, numerous gold items, as well as a number of precious stones

                And the threads of this case went to Frol Kozlov (second secretary of the CPSU Central Committee) and Nikolai Smirnov (chairman of the Leningrad City Executive Committee).
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 29 July 2021 18: 22
                  +3
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  And the threads of this case went to Frol Kozlov (second secretary of the CPSU Central Committee) and Nikolai Smirnov (chairman of the Leningrad City Executive Committee

                  Oh, cradle of three revolutions! laughing
                  Apart from the last one, the criminal one.
                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 29 July 2021 19: 29
                    +5
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    Oh, cradle of three revolutions! laughing
                    Apart from the last one, the criminal one.

                    Pfff ... it was even cooler in Moscow. There, at the same time, the case came to an organized criminal group of judges, prosecutors, investigators and lawyers. For example, judges pay 15-20 thousand rubles for a bribe. gave a minimum term to thieves from trade. A total of about 400-500 defendants were involved in the "case of judges", including the deputy chairman of the Moscow City Court, the prosecutor of the Kalininsky district of Moscow, the head of the investigation department of the Dzerzhinsky district of Moscow, and so on.
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 29 July 2021 19: 41
                      +4
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      in Moscow it was even cooler. There, at the same time, the case came to an organized criminal group of judges, prosecutors, investigators and lawyers. For example, judges pay 15-20 thousand rubles for a bribe. gave a minimum term to thieves from trade. In total, about 400-500 defendants were accused in the "case of judges"

                      "And they also claim to be the best home in our neighborhood? ...?"
                      wassat
              2. Serg65
                Serg65 30 July 2021 08: 16
                +2
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Late USSR

                Ha! Stalinist period ..
                The military development department of "Colonel" Pavlenko alone is worth something !!!
                Or, here's a memo of the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR Kruglov to the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU ..
                I report that the Moscow City Police Department has uncovered an organized group of large businessmen - plunders of socialist property, operating in the system of local industry and industrial cooperation in the mountains. Moscow and the Moscow region.
                Criminal proceedings were brought against 30 people, of whom 21 were arrested. Among those arrested:
                Savran M. D., a member of the CPSU, who managed the Mosoblmesttoppromsnab trust;
                Y. V. Goldin, head of the textile department of the trust;
                KN Nikitin, member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, director of the Ramensk regional industrial complex;
                Vasiliev M.A., member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, former. director of the Ramensk regional industrial complex (before his arrest he worked as deputy head of the Economic Department of the USSR Ministry of Motor Transport);
                Shakin M. I., director of the "Shirpotreb" factory, Ramensk regional industrial complex;
                Libin I. Ya., Former the head of the factory's rubber-braiding shop (before his arrest - the head of the transport office of the Frunzensky District Industrial Trust);
                Ketsler M.O., foreman of the factory's rubber-braiding shop;
                Shteyngardt X. A., head of the department of the haberdashery factory of the Ramensky regional industrial complex and others.
                The investigation established that Shakin and other criminals who worked at the Shirpotreb factory of the Ramensk regional industrial complex of the Mosoblmesttopromsnab trust, with the assistance of the management of the plant and the trust, turned this factory into a private enterprise. From the surplus of raw materials created by various fraudulent machinations, they made a large amount of rubber band, which they concealed from the accounting and sold for cash to the employees of the trading network, and appropriated the proceeds.
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 30 July 2021 08: 01
        +3
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        "The Telman and Gdlyan case" is an indicator of the "blameless" Soviet power, which was engaged in postscripting in all areas of the economy.

        The whole Union was engaged in the registration, starting from the bottom. And the Uzbek affair is a redistribution of power initiated by Mr. Andropov!
        hi
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 30 July 2021 11: 27
          +1
          Quote: Serg65
          And the Uzbek affair is a redistribution of power initiated by Mr. Andropov!

          In the USSR, all large cases that reached the court with the participation of party workers were the result of a redistribution of power. Either the local victorious clans cleaned up their competitors (like the Chevy in Georgia), or it was a reflection of the bulldogs fighting under the carpet in Moscow.
          The same business of Leningrad trade was a blow to Kozlov.
          The most disgusting thing is that these cases did not even need to be sewn - almost everyone had real materials.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 30 July 2021 11: 37
            +3
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The most disgusting thing is that these cases did not even need to be sewn - almost everyone had real materials.

            laughing It's true! Starting with the locomotive business!
            hi
      3. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 30 July 2021 20: 09
        +1
        "The Telman and Gdlyan case" is an indicator of the "blameless" Soviet power, which was engaged in postscripting in all areas of the economy.

        The case was handled by Ivanov and Gdlyan, Telman Khorenovich. By the way, how is it going with the completion of this case? I remember that T. Gdlyan stated at the Congress that he could not show the materials, as he was afraid for his life. So until now, no one has seen these materials. And Gdlyan is 80 years old.
    2. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 29 July 2021 17: 20
      +1
      not complicated mathematics, we find out that 1 car cost 1500 rubles when sold abroad, in the USSR itself a car cost from 6000 and above. How so? So maybe this is because of those very 60 kopecks per dollar of the official exchange rate, but in reality, completely different numbers?

      In the USSR, your car cost 6000 thousand, not 1500 because in the USSR goods that did not belong to the categories of goods to meet primary needs were subsidized by goods to meet primary needs.
      1. savage1976
        savage1976 30 July 2021 00: 49
        +3
        Subsidization is good, but it is not clear why, at the expense of their citizens, they subsidize foreigners, 6000 for theirs, and 1500 for foreigners. Apparently, foreigners should live better.
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 30 July 2021 08: 51
          +1
          Reread again what they have written to you. What should be the flight of thought to come to the conclusion from my message that "foreigners were subsidized at the expense of their citizens"?
          1. savage1976
            savage1976 30 July 2021 09: 05
            +1
            Well, explain why in caring for a person in the country they sell cars for 6000, and for foreigners for 1500. Probably so that they lead an active lifestyle and be always ready to defend their homeland in good physical shape. There is a lot of laughter here.
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 30 July 2021 09: 23
              0
              Isn't it answered above:
              Quote: A vile skeptic
              In the USSR, your car cost 6000 thousand, not 1500 because in the USSR goods that did not belong to the categories of goods to meet primary needs were subsidized by goods to meet primary needs.

              You do not understand what has been written?
              1. savage1976
                savage1976 30 July 2021 09: 42
                0
                Well, that's how I described this process, "beat your own, so that others are afraid." a very wise decision to tear 400% from its citizens for one product and supposedly subsidize the low price of another, well, one that is not on sale. Or is it still true that the currency was very much needed and no matter how much it was in rubles, it is important that there were dollars.
                1. Foul skeptic
                  Foul skeptic 30 July 2021 10: 43
                  0
                  Well, that's how I described this process, "beat your own, so that others are afraid."

                  Your description is just your flight of imagination.
                  and supposedly subsidize a low price

                  Can you back up your ostensibly with something? Or just crying Yaroslavna?
                  1. savage1976
                    savage1976 30 July 2021 10: 52
                    0
                    You have already confirmed everything, you were selling yours at 4 times more expensive than abroad, you don't need more. The rest is nothing more than your speculation and my speculation. Believe that it was for the good of the citizens, I believe that it was for the sake of receiving currency into the treasury. Or you can show a scan of the document which says "we increase the cost of cars for citizens of the USSR by 4 times in order to reduce the cost of" goods "by that many times." Demonstrate.
                    1. Foul skeptic
                      Foul skeptic 30 July 2021 11: 12
                      0
                      Or you can show a scan of the document which says "we increase the cost of cars for citizens of the USSR by 4 times in order to reduce the cost of" goods "by that many times."

                      Leave such manipulations for children.
  15. tatra
    tatra 29 July 2021 07: 27
    +2
    What good can be expected for the country and the people if the enemies of the communists who seized the USSR have cowardly blamed for 30 years on those from whom they took the country, responsibility for the fact that the enemies of the communists seized the USSR, divided it among themselves against the will of the people in a referendum on the preservation USSR, imposed on the republics of the USSR that they had seized themselves into power, their own System, economy, ideology?
    If for them the "objective reasons" for the destruction of their State, and tens of millions of their fellow citizens, what constituted supermortality due to the destruction of the USSR is import, counterfeiting of Soviet products, their free roam around the world?
  16. Olgovich
    Olgovich 29 July 2021 07: 51
    -2
    the USSR purchased mainly feed grain for the development of the livestock of cattle

    note that this is simply a lie.

    Here is the structure of imports of cereals from the USSR (blue-wheat, red-corn


    As you can see, most of the imports of the USSR are wheat for food, not feed grain.
    USA exported feed grains (mainly corn, but also sorghum, oats, but no "feed" wheat - http://www.census.gov) and food wheat

    In addition, the USSR even bought wheat flour.

    As a result, in 1981-1985 more than 30% of white bread and bakery products were made from foreign grain, The USSR could not feed its citizens even with bread.

    Fourth, we note that there was no rigid link between the sale of oil and the purchase of food.

    Note that this is also a lie: there is a clear link between the growth in oil exports and the growth in grain purchases abroad: grain purchases from the early 1960s to the late 1980s increased 36 times (25-30% of domestic production.

    USSR imports to 1981 at current prices (thousand dollars).

    1 Wheat 3 439 124
    2 Sugar unprocessed 3 200 023
    3 Corn 2
    4 Barley 711 564
    5 Refined sugar 694 879
    6 Beef 677
    7 Wine 587 121
    8 Sorghum 558
    9 Wheat flour 555 911
    10 Rice, ground 546 586

    Even MEAT, which, according to the author, was found in abundance in the USSR, was bought abroad.

    Thirdly, the foreign exchange earnings that the USSR received, of course, was extremely important for the country, but for the most part it was not spent as the Soviet bourgeois thought and they continue to think, including the statesmen in modern Russia: on clothes for Berezka stores, and in general - was spent prudently for the acquisition of technologies and industries in which the USSR lagged behind .

    zealous ?!lol laughing
    And where is the RESULT of this "diligence" and the purchased high technologies in the form of an increase in labor productivity, achievements of scientific and technological revolution, satisfaction of at least elementary needs, etc.? A-there was nothing like that, everything was gobbled up from the wheels and the most urgent holes were plugged in an emergency.

    And what was bought - who does not remember the reports about abandoned and rotting lines and machines bought abroad for foreign currency?

    The fact that a THIRD of the harvest went under SNOW, in the mud during transportation and rotted, also speaks of the unparalleled "zeal"
    Let me remind readers that before the Great October Revolution, Russia's social and economic lag was several centuries behind the notorious West. The Bolsheviks were forced and were obliged to carry out the second modernization of Russia

    Let me remind the author that the level of consumption of food and clothing in 1913 "backward" Russia "modernizers" could only catch up in FORTY years - see Report of the Central Statistical Administration of the USSR 1955. And hunger was constant "under the" modernizers "from 1918 to 1953, with deaths from hunger in 1918,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,28,30,31,32,33,36,37,46,47, 1932, including the most terrible famine at that time in the world and the history of mankind in 34-XNUMX with the number of victims several times more than the victims of the World War.

    The same in terms of yield, only in 1956 they were able to catch up. The same is true for housing in cities.


    For understanding: when the development of the oil and gas complex began, 50% of the country's citizens lived in the countryside (1961).

    For understanding: when 50% of the country's citizens began to live in cities, then extensive methods of obtaining from / products have ceased to provide for the need for it.

    In the share of exports of the USSR within the total volume of production, oil sales occupied the minimum volume,

    Only now the share of oil exports in the total volume of exports to the USSR was, on average, equal to 45%.
    And without her to feed itself the country with the largest arable land in the world-Elementarily could not.
    1. Avior
      Avior 29 July 2021 09: 21
      +2
      Your diagram is displayed strangely, not completely
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 29 July 2021 10: 08
        -4
        Quote: Avior
        Your diagram is displayed strangely, not completely

        you number supplied cereals, and I have structure supplies as a percentage.
        1. Avior
          Avior 29 July 2021 13: 51
          +1
          I agree, this is a different diagram, I was mistaken, although they show in fact the same
    2. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 29 July 2021 10: 07
      +2
      Dry cargo ship Pyotr Vasev, who rammed Nakhimov, was loaded with wheat, as they say, and its speed was due to the fact that the faster it turns, the more profitable it is in terms of freight, and so on ...
    3. astra wild2
      astra wild2 29 July 2021 12: 08
      +3
      Olgovich, about the famine of 1918. Remind you that there was GW and devastation?
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 29 July 2021 12: 49
        -3
        Quote: Astra wild2
        Olgovich, about the famine of 1918. Remind you that there was GW and devastation?

        And let me remind you that Russia is the ONLY warring country of WWI, where there was NO famine.
        Germany -800 corpses from hunger.

        And the Civil War was unleashed by Russia by the Bolsheviks, respectively, on their conscience and hunger.

        Before the thief, there was no GV.
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 29 July 2021 14: 24
          -1
          And the Civil War unleashed by the Bolsheviks

          Andrei, de jure the Bolsheviks would not agree with you. wink They would pout their lips resentfully, and then pointed their finger first at Kornilov, then at the Czechoslovak Corps! request
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 30 July 2021 07: 29
            -1
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            Andrei, de jure the Bolsheviks would not agree with you. They would pout their lips resentfully, and then pointed their finger first at Kornilov, then at the Czechoslovak Corps!

            the non-Bolsheviks did not speak about the GW war before the VOR, but recognized it in November 1917 g-sm. chief executive decrees civil war
        2. astra wild2
          astra wild2 29 July 2021 16: 47
          +3
          Olgovich, who unleashed the GW is a controversial issue.
          "Before the VOR-GV there was no", but the "Time of Troubles" - was after the October Revolution?
          I agree that the Romanovs managed to keep Russia after the "Time of Troubles", but in fairness. Recognize that the communists coped with the consequences of the GW more effectively than the Romanovs.
          R.
          S
          When I first came to the site, if you want to check it, I knew VERY little about the Romanovs. Now I like: Pavel1, Aleksandry2 and 3. Even more, I see something nice in Nikolai2. I love his love for his mother. As an intelligent person, you admit that the communists did a lot for the country.
      2. Phil77
        Phil77 29 July 2021 13: 54
        +3
        "Remind you".
        Vera! And do not try. Andrei is well versed in matters of history, and in archival affairs he is by no means a beginner. We are with you up to his level as before China in an interesting position. Another question is in his beliefs, but this is his, his personal choice. And I respect him, as I respect Andrey, as an interesting and knowledgeable interlocutor. hi
        1. astra wild2
          astra wild2 29 July 2021 16: 53
          +1
          Sergei, I am impressed that he seeks to answer reasonably. And I sometimes give him +. So you and I are the same
  17. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 29 July 2021 08: 08
    +5
    No hysterics, everything to the point, clearly, with feeling, with an arrangement, thank you.
  18. astra wild2
    astra wild2 29 July 2021 08: 16
    +1
    Colleagues, Edward, good morning. How I missed the quality material!
    We bet that you will have next, your pre-Mongol period, and NOBODY could have imagined.
    1. Edward Vashchenko
      29 July 2021 10: 25
      +2
      Dear Astra,
      the ancient Mongols did not gallop off to the steppe, there will definitely be a continuation, everything is already ready, but most likely towards the end of the next week, I'm afraid if I post it earlier, I'll just be on the flights))) I won't be able to answer the questions.
      hi
      1. astra wild2
        astra wild2 29 July 2021 11: 44
        0
        Eduard, thank you very much on my own behalf and on behalf of my friends. We love quality materials
        R.
        S
        Will there be clothes?
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 29 July 2021 11: 52
          +2
          Quote: Astra wild2
          Will there be clothes?

          Fashionable verdict will not work?
          feel
          1. astra wild2
            astra wild2 29 July 2021 16: 55
            -2
            I CAREFULLY LOOK at it, and you?
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 30 July 2021 00: 35
              +1
              No.
              I am pissed off by the "March for Suckers" music screen saver.
              lol
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 29 July 2021 12: 28
          +1
          "Will there be clothes?"
          -Will be. Made of quality material. laughing
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 29 July 2021 15: 27
            +2
            Sergey, hello. However, Astra is stubborn
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 29 July 2021 17: 21
              +1
              Hello Svyatoslav!
              Wrong word! Very much. Take out and put her ancient Mongolian clothes. But the question is: male or female? wink
              1. vladcub
                vladcub 29 July 2021 17: 25
                +2
                As I understood her: the more clothes she has, the better she is.
        3. Edward Vashchenko
          29 July 2021 12: 38
          +3
          Dear Astra,
          one colleague on the VO forum, he sent me a link, I will post a Mongolian costume, but the details on clothes, only within the framework of articles about weapons and equipment. Do not blame me.
          hi
          1. astra wild2
            astra wild2 29 July 2021 16: 57
            +2
            I will not hide - DISAPPOINTED
  19. Woodman
    Woodman 29 July 2021 08: 23
    +3
    The USSR acquired mainly fodder grain for the development of cattle, pushing American and Canadian farmers for prices.
    Without touching on the topic of the "oil needle", I would like to clarify how you can "push" farmers by purchasing their products?
    1. Mike_E
      Mike_E 29 July 2021 09: 51
      +2
      Only in a very fruitful year and only our own.
    2. Edward Vashchenko
      29 July 2021 12: 45
      +2
      Dear Lesovik,
      You can sell farmers when there is a lot of bread and no one is buying. This is what happened when in the first years the USSR bought bread from the USA.
      Now I can't find a link, I am writing from memory, I read it in one of the economic magazines, perhaps as a historical legend.
      After the first purchase of grain, in the United States there was a press conference of the Minister of the Union of Artists of the USSR (? - not sure), the one who bought the grain. Farmers, realizing that they had made a big mistake, began to demand good price, the typical American requirement, in this case, is a surcharge.
      The minister replied that he was ready to pay extra if the Americans pay extra for Alaska or give good price.
      hi
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 29 July 2021 12: 48
        +4
        Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
        After the first grain purchase in the USA

        However, with its purchases, the USSR developed the agriculture of the USA and Canada, instead of developing its own.
        1. Edward Vashchenko
          29 July 2021 13: 06
          +1
          Dear Lesovik,
          However, with its purchases, the USSR developed the agriculture of the USA and Canada, instead of developing its own.

          from the point of view of setting goals and business management, reasoning like that, correctly speaking, is ridiculous.
          You can also say that the Russian Federation needs 20 years already, to develop its production, and not the PRC laughing
          Best regards hi
          1. Woodman
            Woodman 29 July 2021 13: 13
            +3
            Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
            You can also say that the Russian Federation needs 20 years already, to develop its production, and not the PRC

            Isn't it necessary? Definitely necessary.
            Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
            from the point of view of setting goals and business management, reasoning like that, correctly speaking, is ridiculous.

            Ridiculous? It is absurd to buy in large quantities from an existing economic and geopolitical rival the products that can be produced at home. And at the same time not to take steps to rectify the situation, but to continue to increase purchases. This is ridiculous.
            Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
            Best regards

            Similarly)
      2. Liam
        Liam 29 July 2021 12: 52
        -5
        Quote: Edward Vashchenko
        Dear Lesovik,
        You can sell farmers when there is a lot of bread and no one is buying. This is what happened when in the first years the USSR bought bread from the USA.
        Now I can't find a link, I am writing from memory, I read it in one of the economic magazines, perhaps as a historical legend.
        After the first purchase of grain, in the United States there was a press conference of the Minister of the Union of Artists of the USSR (? - not sure), the one who bought the grain. Farmers, realizing that they had made a big mistake, began to demand good price, the typical American requirement, in this case, is a surcharge.
        The minister replied that he was ready to pay extra if the Americans pay extra for Alaska or give good price.
        hi

        Even Murzilka would be ashamed to write such nonsense ... A section Jokes opened on the site?
  20. north 2
    north 2 29 July 2021 08: 24
    +3
    The article contains the correct emphasis and a hint that there is a stupid theory about oil exports, they say, which destroyed the Soviet Union. After all, speaking briefly and primitively, under Stalin, when the Bolsheviks had to turn the country from the plow into the country of the conquered Atom in thirty years, they did not need any oil export for this, but the post-Stalinist Khrushchev-Brezhnev-Gorbachev communists even poured into the budget trillions of profits from oil exports for the same thirty years, they say, destroyed the USSR. It turns out that if the Stalinist Bolsheviks still exported oil, then the Stalinist USSR would overtake the whole of Europe and America combined! So, it's not about the closets, it's about the heads!
    And now remember from the movie "Beware of the Automobile" Dima Semitsvetov played by Mironov and his entourage, and even this director of the pub, played by Kulagin. So, real, actual, real people like Semitsvetov, his entourage and the director of that pub, during the so-called Khrushchev "thaw" in the USSR, millions were bred like bedbugs. And virtually all of them were members of the CPSU. So this is only in the lower echelons. And how many of them then divorced in the higher echelons, who had access to the money received just for the export of oil! And bugs, as you know, multiply. So you can imagine what kind of offspring they got before the Brezhnev-Gorbachev times! No, the Stalinist Bolsheviks, of course, would have put all of them against the wall at once. But after all, the Khrushchev communists were not in vain because of Stalin, from the first days as soon as Khrushchev seized power, crap, crap, crap, crap ...
    And Detochkin, played by Smoktunovsky, is a fictional orderly! And what could a fictional orderly have against millions of real, actual, tenacious bugs!
    So I here briefly and primitively told my opinion. In fact, the bluff about oil exports that allegedly destroyed the USSR is beneficial to today's fifth column, still shaking from the prospect of the emergence of modern Stalin. Just as those who called Khrushchev's disgusting slush were shaking from such a thought a thaw. And we must talk about this very seriously and every day
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 29 July 2021 10: 42
      -3
      Quote: north 2
      when the Bolsheviks had to turn the country from the plow into the country of the conquered Atom in thirty years, they did not need any export of oil for this

      they needed much more shameful export food (and this is against the background of the starving population from whom it was taken in the form of tribute (in the words of Stalin himself), unprocessed round timber and a criminal sale for a penny of the country's priceless cultural heritage from the Hermitage and other treasures of Russia
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 29 July 2021 17: 30
        -1
        Olgovich, let's clarify: it was in the middle and late 20s
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 29 July 2021 12: 24
      +5
      Quote: north 2
      No, the Stalinist Bolsheviks, of course, would have put all of them against the wall at once. But after all, the Khrushchev communists were not in vain because of Stalin, from the first days as soon as Khrushchev seized power, crap, crap, crap, crap ...

      The problem is that Stalin's Bolsheviks and Khrushchev's communists are mostly the same people. The party once again changed their shoes in a jump. However, she was no longer accustomed to stigmatizing those who had been applauded yesterday.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 29 July 2021 14: 45
        +3
        However, she was no longer accustomed to stigmatizing those who had been applauded yesterday.
        What is happening now at VO. One might think that only those who suffered from the Bolsheviks gathered here. But at the same time, there is not even a hint about today's life.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 29 July 2021 16: 19
          +2
          The fact of the matter is that the natural Bolsheviks have not been for a LONG time and have become full of "changed shoes" '. Let's start alphabetically: Aliyev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev and EBN and Shevardnadze are also like the Bolsheviks like a behemoth on a balarina
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 30 July 2021 08: 36
            +1
            Quote: vladcub
            Aliev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev and EBN and Shevardnadze

            lol And Beria, Budyonny, Voroshilov, Kaganovich, Malenkov, Mikoyan, Serov, Khrushchev and Shepilov, who joined them, are they not "changed shoes"?
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 30 July 2021 09: 29
              -1
              There is a lot of turbidity about Beria. Malenkov quickly "left" Budyonny and Voroshilov and Mikoyan - weathercocks.
              In my opinion, Raikin should be remembered. He had: "I can come here, I can go there against the wind never"
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 30 July 2021 11: 10
                +4
                Quote: vladcub
                There is a lot of turbidity about Beria

                I do not canonize him! His actions after Stalin run counter to the policy of the same Stalin.
                Quote: vladcub
                Malenkov quickly "left" Budyonny and Voroshilov and Mikoyan - weathercocks.

                All of them "faithful Stalinists" changed their shoes in an instant and it was they who put the first pig under the USSR.
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 30 July 2021 11: 31
                  +3
                  Quote: Serg65
                  All of them "faithful Stalinists" changed their shoes in an instant and it was they who put the first pig under the USSR.

                  And, as always, changing shoes still did not help many - except that instead of enemies of the people, they turned out
                  ... a factional anti-party group, which included Molotov, Kaganovich, Malenkov, Voroshilov, Bulganin, Pervukhin, Saburov and Shepilov, who joined them.
                  smile
                2. vladcub
                  vladcub 30 July 2021 12: 47
                  -1
                  I, too, do not seek to canonize LP, but let's not forget: "The winners write history." The "healthy forces of the party" were not lazy: they prepared "two tubs" for mud.
                  After the books: Kremleva, Mukhina, partly Martirosyan, I look at that period differently
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 30 July 2021 13: 37
                    +3
                    Quote: vladcub
                    Martirosyan

                    I don't read Martirosyan at all, his story is biased, which means it suffers from reliability for the sake of politics ...
                    Quote: vladcub
                    winners write a story

                    I apologize wildly, but history is written by facts and only golimy facts.
                    hi
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 30 July 2021 11: 13
          +5
          Quote: Gardamir
          But at the same time, there is not even a hint about today's life.

          An article about today or yesterday? Today, there are a lot of problems, but no one says that be patient a little and we will build heaven for you on earth!
    3. Serg65
      Serg65 30 July 2021 08: 28
      +2
      Quote: north 2
      if we speak briefly and primitively, then under Stalin, when the Bolsheviks had to turn the country from the plow into the country of the conquered Atom in thirty years, no oil export was needed for this

      what I have only one question .... what did Stalin need? Well, that would turn the country from the plow into the country of the conquered Atom.
  21. tasha
    tasha 29 July 2021 09: 06
    +4
    The article, unfortunately, failed. It was written in a hurry, it seems that the author did not read the comments to the article "With bread is bad - give 3 million tons of oil above the plan" and could not understand the main meaning of this article. The USSR bought food, including wheat varieties for baking bread and producing pasta, for hard currency. Moreover, he was obliged to maintain the volume of purchases under the contract.
    What else:
    Problemsthat existed during this period in the economy, first of all, were associated not with the production area (although they, of course, were), but with the sphere of the general culture and consciousness of the citizens of the country of the Soviets, the culture of work, distribution and prioritization
    Well, well ... Then what is the demand from the leaders of the country. Did the people choose them? smile
    1. Mike_E
      Mike_E 29 July 2021 09: 41
      +1
      Hastily is the best definition of this article. The number of logical conclusions that have to be resorted to when the data is really bad is off scale.
      1. astra wild2
        astra wild2 29 July 2021 11: 53
        +2
        Colleague Mike, if you are not satisfied with Eduard, what can you say about Chichkin or Kharluzhny.?
        The author has high-quality work, and everything above is crumpled
        1. Mike_E
          Mike_E 29 July 2021 21: 32
          +2
          I am not satisfied with a specific article. I did not write anything about the author.
  22. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 29 July 2021 09: 06
    +3
    Today, hard varieties of Kuban and Stavropol wheat are merged abroad, where they know how to carry out “deep processing

    Only 4-5% of such varieties are threatened, they are used in the manufacture of pasta and other similar products, mainly whole grinding.
    Fourth, taking into account the above, we note that there was no rigid link between oil sales and food purchases. The USSR acquired mainly fodder grain for the development of the livestock of cattle,

    If in 1954-1958 the average wheat yield in the USSR reached 7,3 centners per hectare, then by 1962 it had dropped to 6,1 centners. Khrushchev's reforms, ineffective agricultural management - the corn campaign, the development of virgin lands, the elimination of "unpromising villages", the chemicalization of soils and, as a consequence, their rapid depletion - all this affected the quantity and quality of the grain harvest.
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 29 July 2021 10: 26
      +2
      Albert, I noted above that the author here ... does not understand the issue. Hard varieties are not grown in the Kuban and Stavropol Territories, they are not profitable, the climate and for them it is necessary to rebuild the entire structure of agriculture in the regions. The main region of the Russian Federation for the cultivation of hard varieties is Altai.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 29 July 2021 12: 57
        +3
        Quite right, Altai.
        Greetings, Alex! hi
        About the author - the Communist Party slogans. The USSR is good, the Russian Federation is bad, elections are coming soon, etc.
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 30 July 2021 08: 39
        +2
        Quote: Okolotochny
        The main region of the Russian Federation for the cultivation of hard varieties is Altai.

        Under the Soviet Union, the Kazakh SSR was engaged in this ..
        hi
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 30 July 2021 13: 52
          +3
          And as far as I remember, the agronomists said that hard varieties are mainly spring wheat, not winter wheat.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 29 July 2021 10: 31
      -1
      Quote: Krasnodar
      If the In 1954-1958, the average wheat yield in the USSR reached 7,3 centners from hectares, then by 1962 it had decreased to 6,1 centners

      it is necessary to add that the yield of the level of 1913 g (7c with a tail)) and even the level military! 1915 g, the USSR was able to catch up only by 1956 year, but then, yes, "by 1962 it dropped to 6,1 centners" ..

      But in the 1980s, in the Kaluga, Tver and other regions, yields were at the level 1913 g.

      At the same time, by 1989 they were already abandoned. many million hectares of agricultural land и destroyed more than half of the settlements Russia (more than 160 thousand)
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 29 July 2021 12: 58
        +1
        Naturally, the land needs an owner, not an abstract collective farm. Although there were collective farms "millionaires", as a rule, they did not go up on wheat.
    3. vladcub
      vladcub 29 July 2021 15: 09
      +5
      Alik, +: the author, which is called not in the "topic". He, of course, conscientiously selected the numbers, but where and how do these numbers come from?
      I agree: "the development of virgin lands is a" song "," not effective farming "was a scourge. I lived on a collective farm and I know:" socialist competition "who used to cope with the kidney to report to the region, and the region, in turn, reported above and don't give a damn what the weather influences. In our collective farm, to report, in 1974 they sowed wheat very early, and frosts occur in April. In short, 50% of the harvest is "down the drain."
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 29 July 2021 16: 51
        +1
        Figures from Soviet reports are taken, and on the basis of what they are written, you know hi
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 29 July 2021 17: 01
          +3
          I know from the example of my collective farm and the neighboring
    4. vladcub
      vladcub 29 July 2021 15: 21
      +7
      "chemicalization of the soil" is a double-edged sword: immediately an increase in yield, in 2 - 3%, and then the soil is poisoned.
      In our collective farm, in order to increase the yield, it seems, corn (forgot) chemistry stuffed the land and as a result, NOTHING is growing there anymore.
      To live in a village means to think with your head, and not make fun of screwing up above
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 29 July 2021 16: 52
        +2
        Again - because the land must have a master
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 30 July 2021 07: 52
        0
        Quote: vladcub
        "chemicalization of the soil" is a double-edged sword: immediately increase the yield, in 2 - 3% and then the soil is poisoned

        by the 1980s, 90% of Russia's arable land was depleted
  23. nikvic46
    nikvic46 29 July 2021 09: 16
    -1
    Now we have learned to sell oil. If in 70-80s we went on five boats for the day of health, now people of the large river fleet are puzzling over where to find money to transport cargo along the cheapest artery of Russia. Have you seen forest fires? People selflessly put out the fire. But in no case is the technique visible. No tractors, no bulldozers. Expensive. Yesterday I watched a film about our youth who create new design ideas. Real business is like ivy wrapped around such projects. And if there is no such thing, then this is not a business, it is a bunch of curmudgeons, usurers.
  24. Gardamir
    Gardamir 29 July 2021 09: 38
    +5
    Good article. Would fit in the analytics section.
  25. Mike_E
    Mike_E 29 July 2021 09: 39
    +6
    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    Probably you and I lived in different USSR - in the 84th there were no coupons, and even in the 86th there were not. Maybe the coupons were in a separate region of the USSR where you lived? No, I don’t think so. You just forgot.

    Listen, you can love and miss anything you want, but you don't have to frankly pour into your readers' ears. Coupons have been an absolute reality since the second half of the 80s, including Moscow. Exceptions are closed towns.
    And the statistics on the balls are simply touching. Where are 45 billion delhi, if personally in the hands of 89th (possibly 90th) received in the store "Products" on Dorozhnaya Street. in Moscow ONE dozen after the stampede in the queue.
    Again, the enemies of the communists are to blame?
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 29 July 2021 14: 10
      0
      Coupons have been an absolute reality since the second half of the 80s, including Moscow. Exceptions are closed towns.
      1984-87 Tuapse did not have coupons, 1986 Sevastopol-Yalta, there were no coupons. Murmansk 1988-1989 there were no coupons.
      With the arrival of Gorbachev and the beginning of the anti-alcohol campaign, queues appeared at liquor stores, which now demonstrate how queues for groceries.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 29 July 2021 14: 48
        +4
        In 1984 there were coupons. I have, or rather my mother, lies somewhere. Printed there: February 1984 "butter"
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 29 July 2021 15: 03
          0
          Printed there: February 1984 "butter"
          It is pointless to argue over the years. For example, I remember the fall of 1979. All the cigarettes in the shops disappeared, only expensive ones, there was no one buying a camel. (It was later that Camel began to be missed into perestroika cigarettes).
          So what, by scolding the Soviet Union, we are not improving today's life. And again, who will grumble about the past life if everything is really good today.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 29 July 2021 16: 03
            +5
            'all cigarettes disappeared "we did not have a" camel ", but it was full:" Opal "," VT "
            1. Mike_E
              Mike_E 29 July 2021 21: 49
              +2
              Tobacco riot. A well-known story. A 10-liter can of cigarette butts was sold at the market for 3 rubles. Closed 5 out of 6 tobacco factories for reconstruction (I can be wrong in numbers, I write from memory). The planned economy is so ... planned.
              1. bubalik
                bubalik 29 July 2021 22: 01
                0
                Closed 5 of 6 tobacco factories for reconstruction
                ,,, well, there were not 6 of them.
                No. 1 (Leningrad)

                No. 2 (Leningrad)

                No. 2 (Moscow)

                No. 3 (Leningrad)

                Aurora (Krasnoznamensk, Moscow region)

                Avshar (Zhukov, Kaluga region)

                Agroprodtabak (Usman)

                Ais-tobacco (Krasnodar)

                Alkadar (Derbent, Dagestan)

                Alvis (Yekaterinburg)

                Anzhitabak (Makhachkala)

                Arbat (Moscow)

                Armavirtabakprom (Armavir, Krasnodar Territory)

                Armavir (Armavir, Krasnodar Territory)

                Armgostabfabrika - AGTF (Armavir, Krasnodar Territory)

                Art-Business (Zhukov, Kaluga region)

                Astra (Perm)

                Astrakhan (Astrakhan)

                Bakar (Ramenskoye, Moscow region)

                Balkan Star (Yaroslavl)

                Baltic (Kaliningrad)

                BAT-Russia (Moscow)

                BAT-STF (Saratov)

                Berenson-S (Volgograd)

                Biysk (Biysk)

                BORTAB (Orenburg)

                Bulgartabak (Belgorod)

                Bulgartabak (Kaliningrad)

                Bulgartabak (Sochi)

                Victor & K (Tula)

                Volga Tabak NN (Nizhny Novgorod)

                Glazovskaya (Glazov, Udmurt Republic)

                Gorkovskaya (Gorky)

                Grand Tabak (Nizhny Novgorod)

                DGTF (Rostov-on-Don)

                Dongostabfabrika (Rostov-on-Don)

                DonNovosibTabak (Novosibirsk)

                Don State (Rostov-on-Don)

                Don tobacco (Rostov-on-Don)

                Dron House (Moscow)

                Dukat (Moscow)

                DTK - Dagestan Tobacco Company (Makhachkala)

                Eurotabak (Moscow)

                Yelets tobacco (Yelets, Lipetsk region)

                Golden Ring (Pereleski, Yaroslavl region)

                Golden ducat (Krasnodar)

                Idel-Tabak (Kazan)

                Idigov product (Chashnikovo, Moscow region)

                Ilbar-tobacco (Kazan)

                Inter-Service (Krasnodar)

                Invest-trust (Moscow)

                Intertabak (Kaliningrad)

                K-M (Novosibirsk)

                Kazanskaya (Kazan)

                Kaliningrad BT (Kaliningrad)

                Kanskaya (Kansk, Krasnoyarsk Territory)

                Clara Zetkin (Leningrad)

                Krasnodar (Krasnodar)

                Krasnodartabakprom (Krasnodar)

                CPC (Krasnodar)

                Kubantabak (Goryachy Klyuch, Krasnodar)

                Kuibyshevskaya (Kuibyshev)

                Kursk (Kursk)

                Line (Volgograd)

                LGTT (Leningrad)

                Liggett-Dukat (Moscow)

                Makhachkala (Makhachkala)

                Metatabak (Podolsk)

                MKT (Krasnoarmeysk, Moscow region)

                Molotov (Molotov)

                Morshanskaya (Morshansk)

                Morshansk tobacco (Morshansk)

                Mosobltabak (Balashikha, Moscow region)

                Mostabak (Moscow)

                MosTaldom Tabak (Taldom, Moscow region)

                MRK Tabakinvestprom (Bologoye, Tver region)

                MRK Tabakinvestprom (Moscow)

                Nevo-tobacco (St. Petersburg)

                News (Kursk)

                Omsk (Omsk)

                Om (Omsk)

                Oryol tobacco (Oryol)

                Partner-3 (Aprelevka, Moscow region)

                Perm (Perm)

                Petro (Saint Petersburg)

                Petrotabak (St. Petersburg)

                Pobeda (St. Petersburg)

                Pogarskaya (Pogar)

                Prokopyevskaya (Prokopyevsk)

                PROMEX (Saransk)

                Prof. Smirnova A.I. (Krasnodar)

                RJR-Petro (St. Petersburg)

                Red Tobacco (Vladivostok)

                Reemtsma-Volga (Volgograd)

                Rosa Luxemburg (Rostov-on-Don)

                Rosso (Moscow)

                Rosso (Uzlovaya, Tula region)

                RostovDontabak (Rostov region)

                Rostov tobacco factory

                Rustabak (Moscow)

                Salute (Tambov region)

                Samara Tobacco Factory (Samara)

                Saratov (Saratov)

                Saturn (Morshansk)

                Sverdlovsk (Sverdlovsk)

                Sigma (Gelendzhik)

                SK Bulgartabak (Podolsk)

                Smoltabak - ST (Smolensk)

                Stavropoltabak (Stavropol)

                Start (Morshansk)

                Status (Morshansk)

                Stolichnaya (Moscow)

                Tabakprom (Krasnodar)

                Tobacco-makhorka factory (Usman)

                Tobacco House (Voronezh)

                Tanem (St. Petersburg)

                Tver crafts (Tver)

                Tver-Yingkou Tobacco (Tver)

                Tver-Haskovo BT (Tver)

                TIT (Nalchik)

                Trotsky (Leningrad)

                Troy (Kaluga)

                Universal (Abinsk, Krasnodar Territory)

                Uritsky (Leningrad / St. Petersburg)

                Usacheva (Leningrad)

                Usman-tobacco (Usman, Lipetsk region)

                Ufa-tobacco (Ufa district, Mikhailovka village)

                FBM Tobacco (Moscow)

                Chelyabinsk (Chelyabinsk)

                Shilovo (Shilovo, Ryazan region)

                Edgar (Dolgoprudny, Moscow region)

                Yugrostabakprom (Krasnodar Territory)

                Yuzhuraltabak (Orsk, Orenburg region)

                Java (Moscow)

                Yaroslavl Tobacco Factory (Yaroslavl)

                Grand-Tabak (Nizhny Novgorod)
                1. Mike_E
                  Mike_E 29 July 2021 22: 11
                  +2
                  Huge list. I admit. Thanks. But it is meaningless without production volumes. And it's ugly to rip out part of the quote.))
                2. vladcub
                  vladcub 30 July 2021 06: 09
                  +2
                  Bubalik, out of harm: not all of the listed factories existed in 1979.
                  For example: Tanem, Petrotabak, modern names, Kuibyshevskaya and Samara - the same thing. Armavir had 1 tobacco, my uncle lived there, in Krasnodar, I think, 2. In Rostov-on-Don 1. Tver trades, Tver Inkov - modern names. Most often there was 1 tobacco in the city. Golden ducat is a modern name.
                3. Serg65
                  Serg65 30 July 2021 08: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: bubalik
                  well, there were not 6 of them

                  More than half of those listed are new and modern!
    2. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 29 July 2021 17: 28
      0
      To Delhi 45 billion

      Quietly sold. But not domestically.
  26. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 29 July 2021 09: 55
    +3
    The author is lying about dumping wheat exports to Turkey and other countries, for a long time already export prices have been set taking into account international exchange prices, Kuban, Stavropol, Rostov, black earth do not grow hard varieties, a drop of the total volume, mostly hard varieties are Altai, part of Smir, Urals, Northern Kazakhstan, partly Orenburg.
    1. Edward Vashchenko
      29 July 2021 10: 30
      +2
      Dear Andrew,
      the author is not lying. Of course, sales take place at market prices, plus the state, at the expense of all of us, citizens, returns VAT to sellers.
      While this does not happen inside the country, the quality of the bread sold in the country is also extremely low. Bread below 50 rubles. on the shelf - this is bread not made from the required wheat varieties.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 29 July 2021 11: 14
        +2
        VAT refund to exporters is a normal practice and this refund is always for any export, though it is necessary that all the documents are prepared as necessary. Regarding the price of bread, I have a bakery 100 meters from my house, chic bread made from local flour 38 rubles. Again, a farmer, a large farm has long been aware of world and exchange prices and you will never force the manufacturer to sell at prices an order of magnitude lower, fortunately, they have all become overgrown with good "fat" and have the possibility of long-term storage of the crop. Again, what is included in the price of bread , in addition to flour from grain ... and these components are constantly growing (energy, gas, transport, the same sunflower oil).
      2. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 29 July 2021 11: 21
        +2
        The question is this ... grain is not sold by the state, the state receives income from this in the form of taxes and duties, well, this is understandable, and domestic exporters, the first three are not producers .. but purely "hucksters"
        1. Edward Vashchenko
          29 July 2021 12: 17
          +3
          Dear Andrew,
          my message was not about what you accused me of or maybe I misunderstood you.
          By the way, I know the situation about the sale of grain from the inside, although I’ll say right away that I don’t work in an agricultural holding. laughing
          Ask about logistics: it is more profitable to sell bread by shipping it to Jehovah's Witness from the "ports of the Krasnodar Territory" than to bring it to the Central regions of Russia.
          I do not condemn "huckster", in my vocabulary there is no such concept, because, as I remember, all the Bodies of us, entrepreneurs, like to call us "huckster" for many years.
          I do not condemn those who sell bread, whether they are outbid or "farmers" or agricultural holdings, after all, everything around is capitalist, what I want and how I want, and where I want, I sell there ... If, of course, within the framework of the law: "If only there was no Kushchevka"

          It was about the fact that this policy of the current state: everything for export, which of course was not in the USSR, first of all, the satisfaction of domestic demand.
          Of course, after 1988 to this day, everything went into a racket, but that's another story ...
          I bow to this,
          hi
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 29 July 2021 12: 42
            +3
            Edward, I'm just inside the topic, our agro-industrial group grows both wheat and beets and rapeseed and we produce flour, sugar, oil, and we send grain for export ... and God forbid, I'm not blaming you for anything ... it's me already took place in the 90s and 2000s))))
            And it makes no sense to bring grain to the center from the south ... the Kursk, Tula, Ryazan, Lipetsk regions gather excellent harvests
          2. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 29 July 2021 14: 30
            +3
            everything for export, which of course was not in the USSR, first of all, the satisfaction of domestic demand.

            Where did you get this from? Russia is provided with food (its own) by about 90%, the USSR was at the level of 60%. According to various criteria, the food security of the country (minimum) should be at the level of 80%. Everything, the curtain.
            1. Edward Vashchenko
              29 July 2021 14: 42
              +2
              Dear Alexey,
              where did you get this:
              Russia is provided with food (its own) by about 90%, the USSR was at the level of 60%. According to various criteria, the food security of the country (minimum) should be at the level of 80%. Everything, the curtain.

              How do they like to write in the comments, show the sources?
              hi
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 29 July 2021 15: 04
                0
                I don't remember now, but there is a lot of it on the Internet, a bunch of links. Too lazy to just search, but good, now I will look and throw it off.
              2. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 29 July 2021 15: 07
                +4
                http://ruxpert.ru/%CF%F0%EE%E4%EE%E2%EE%EB%FC%F1%F2%E2%E5%ED%ED%E0%FF_%E1%E5%E7%EE%EF%E0%F1%ED%EE%F1%F2%FC_%D0%EE%F1%F1%E8%E8
                At least so, but the data there is outdated, now higher. This is for Russia.
              3. Ryazan87
                Ryazan87 29 July 2021 17: 04
                +3
                Is the report of the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation suitable?

                "MOSCOW, July 22. / TASS /. Russia is provided with grain by 155%, sugar - 125%, meat - 97%. Such data were cited by the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Mikhail Mishustin, speaking in the State Duma with a report on the work of the government.
                "We have solved the main issue of self-sufficiency. Today we are provided with grain by 155%, there is a very serious opportunity for export. Sugar - about 125%, 97% - meat products. It is very important that today we are self-sufficient and have fulfilled the doctrine of food security ", - stressed Mishustin."
                https://tass.ru/ekonomika/9024343

                It is possible and in more detail: the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of January 21, 2020 No. 20 "On the approval of the Doctrine of food security of the Russian Federation" is in force, which established:
                1. Definition of food security: "the level of self-sufficiency in percent, calculated as the ratio of the volume of domestic production of agricultural products, raw materials and food to the volume of their domestic consumption and having threshold values";
                2. Threshold values:
                a) grain - at least 95 percent - completed;
                b) sugar - at least 90 percent - done;
                c) vegetable oil - at least 90 percent (the level of Russia's self-sufficiency in vegetable oil will be 176,3% - data from the Ministry of Agriculture for 2020);
                d) meat and meat products (in terms of meat) - at least 85 percent - met;
                e) milk and dairy products (in terms of milk) - at least 90 percent (Russia's self-sufficiency in milk in 2020 will be about 84,1% - the Ministry of Agriculture has not been met)
                f) fish and fish products (in live weight - raw weight) - at least 85 percent (consistently 75-80%, with 40% of the catch being exported);
                g) potatoes - not less than 95 percent - Self-sufficiency in potatoes in 2020 will amount to 95,6%, with the doctrine target of 95% - again by the Ministry of Agriculture.
                h) vegetables and melons - at least 90 percent - about 88,6% for 2020
                i) fruits and berries - at least 60 percent;
                j) seeds of main agricultural crops of domestic selection - at least 75 percent;
                l) edible salt - at least 85 percent.

                What is really still a serious problem with the seeds of domestic selection in terms of vegetables. Here you can read: https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3925936
            2. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 29 July 2021 17: 37
              0
              Food security is not the ratio of how much you are currently producing at home, to how much you buy from the outside in the context of approved food per capita norms. And this is what they are trying to implicate now for food security. Food security is how much you can grow at home if you are denied access to related agricultural areas - fertilizers, seeds, machinery, etc.
      3. Mike_E
        Mike_E 29 July 2021 21: 51
        +3
        It's not serious to write about VAT. This is a common practice for exporters. In all countries. Only in our country there are offices that, for a part of the amount due to be refunded, help to return VAT. Everything is done for people))
  27. Maks1995
    Maks1995 29 July 2021 10: 04
    +4
    One of the few articles with numbers. Thanks.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 29 July 2021 15: 54
      +5
      Numbers are good, but what's behind the numbers? In our collective farm, on paper, there were; 3 farms, but in kind 2
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 29 July 2021 18: 17
        0
        So this is wonderful honesty! 2/3 !!!
        At fishermen's 1/3
        For the military - 1 / 3-1 / 4
        At the chroniclers and politicians 1/6 -1/10
        Ancient chroniclers and hurray-zhurnalyug 1/10 - 1/100

        Everyone already understands ...
  28. tatra
    tatra 29 July 2021 11: 17
    +1
    To be an enemy of the communists, you have to be a person completely devoid of conscience. So, the enemies of the communists after their seizure of the republics of the USSR, they did EVERYTHING worse for them and their peoples than it was under the USSR, they ruined ALL industries, but all 30 years after they seized the USSR, they come out with maniacal criticism of what the communists and their supporters have done. how they worked and fought. And as for what they themselves have done, they are all at once cowardly "and we have nothing to do with it," "and I have nothing to do with it," "but I did not capture the USSR," "but everyone bothers us," "and we it has nothing to do with it, it was before us, we still disentangle it. "
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 29 July 2021 15: 05
      0
      Quote: tatra
      To be an enemy of the communists, you have to be a person completely devoid of conscience. So, the enemies of the communists after their seizure of the republics of the USSR, they did EVERYTHING worse for them and their peoples than it was under the USSR, they ruined ALL industries, but all 30 years after they seized the USSR, they come out with maniacal criticism of what the communists and their supporters have done. how they worked and fought. And as for what they themselves have done, they are all at once cowardly "and we have nothing to do with it," "and I have nothing to do with it," "but I did not capture the USSR," "but everyone bothers us," "and we it has nothing to do with it, it was before us, we still disentangle it. "

      The communist doctors, Irina, cowardly made the country's agriculture profitable)). And they provided the power of its own production with food. As for the quality of life - under the USSR it was not so hot, and the same Estonians live as they never dreamed of under the Union. And it's a sin for Russians to complain, by and large
      1. tatra
        tatra 29 July 2021 15: 57
        +1
        Ha, what nonsense "communist doctor" is? The result of your, enemies of the communists, agriculture for 30 years is that if you remove all imported products and leave only those produced by your "businessmen" according to Soviet GOSTs, then your favorite "Holodomor" will come.
        Your "domestic" is produced on imported equipment, from imported materials, raw materials, in imported packaging. And what you seriously expose for your "achievements" in comparison with the USSR, can only be considered as such by the enemies of Russia and its people, and potential patients in psychiatric hospitals.
        1. Ryazan87
          Ryazan87 29 July 2021 16: 43
          +3
          potential psychiatric patients

          Speak competently. Continue observing.
          1. tatra
            tatra 29 July 2021 16: 48
            0
            Ha, yes, we have been for more than 30 years since Perestroika, we have been observing the ravings of the enemies of the Communists, in whom even one country can feed the whole world, and countries can fall apart by themselves, because they have rotted, fall apart due to falling export revenues, the people can win the enemy who attacked the country in spite of the power of his country, filling the enemy with corpses, shooting his soldiers in the back, and the like delirium of madmen.
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 29 July 2021 16: 59
          +3
          The doctors of the communists are the communists who tried to poison the communists to the death of Stalin, and then it turned out that they did not try. fellow
          The products are 90% manufactured in Russia. 90% Irina. Not like in the Soviet Union - 60. And why is the Holodomor my favorite? It was made by the doctors of the communists from the communists, who at first were the poisoners of the communists, and then it turned out that the communist doctors were slandered by the enemies of the communists from the communists, but also not conscious ones.
          Your "domestic" is made on imported equipment, from imported materials, raw materials, in imported packaging.

          Heh. lol Under the Soviet Union, whole lines of the chemical and light industry were bought from the "Decaying West", including food, but I agree with their own packaging. With the aesthetics of socialist realism. ))
          And what you seriously expose for your "achievements" in comparison with the USSR, can only be considered as such by the enemies of Russia and its people, and potential patients in psychiatric hospitals.

          About psychiatric patients - you know better. There are probably many communist doctors there. hi
          1. tatra
            tatra 29 July 2021 17: 14
            -2
            Because you, the enemies of the communists, created your anti-Soviet-Russophobic myth about the "Holodomor".
            And do not lie about 90% of the products that you produce, who have ruined agriculture. Your "products" are low quality and fake - at high prices for the people. And you have completely ruined the production of goods.
            The main "work" of the enemies of the communists is embezzlement and speculation.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 29 July 2021 17: 25
              +2
              Because you, the enemies of the communists, created your anti-Soviet-Russophobic myth about the "Holodomor".

              What do I have to do with it?
              By the way, it's not funny - on the territory of modern Kazakhstan, Ukraine, the Volga region, many people died. During the reign of the communists - the friends of the communists. Yes
              And no need to lie about 90% of the products that you produce, who ruined agriculture.

              lol Irina, they ruined so badly, sho and houses are fed and we supply for export, in contrast to the patients of communist doctors, under whom wheat was purchased abroad, and a lot of fertile land was ruined
              Your "products" are low quality and fake - at high prices for the people

              What are fake? Under Soviet blue chickens that died of natural causes? laughing Or with Soviet sausage, which my cat refused to eat?
              And you have completely ruined the production of goods.

              Which ones, Irina? Cigarettes that are impossible to smoke or shoes that are dangerous to wear? Soviet means the best)).
              The main "work" of the enemies of the communists is embezzlement and speculation

              Citizen, can you tell me where is the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics now? Have you heard of this?
              1. tatra
                tatra 29 July 2021 17: 37
                -3
                And no one even laughs at the fact that you, the enemies of the communists, diligently pose as "great philanthropists" ONLY in your slander against the communists, which is the only justification for your seizure of the USSR in 30 years. And outside of it, in relation to the people in the Russian Empire, and the republics of the USSR that you captured, you proved your real inhuman essence.
                And at the same time, you also whine in a cowardly chorus that you "have nothing to do" with your seizure and dismemberment of the USSR into your anti-Soviet-Russophobic states.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 30 July 2021 11: 52
                  0
                  Irina, the period of the “communist” rule was one of the most glorious and interesting pages of Russian history, but you (communists, friends of communists) screwed up and the country collapsed. There is no need to push everything onto mythical enemies. The ideology of the class struggle is flawed, in contrast to the struggle of the working people for their rights, therefore your place is the struggle for the social sphere, not for power.
      2. vladcub
        vladcub 29 July 2021 19: 05
        +1
        Alik, because of harm: "doctors" are not involved in agriculture
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 30 July 2021 11: 52
          0
          Unlike their patients laughing
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 30 July 2021 12: 23
            +1
            I agree with that
  29. Belov Vladimir
    Belov Vladimir 29 July 2021 12: 55
    +3
    It is enough that the ruble in the USSR was not tied to oil and its prices over the hill. Therefore, the fact that the USSR collapsed due to the fall in oil prices on the world market is a deliberate lie of the ruling elite to justify the dependence of the Russian Federation on the prices of natural resources sold by it abroad. The USSR was destroyed not in order for the former republics to individually restore their economies, but in order to plunder and take away their economic potential created during the Soviet era. Otherwise, it's just nonsense, that is, nonsense. Good article, but the new generation of perestroika knows only about oil and gas and blindly believes in stories about the oil cause of the collapse of the USSR and other reasons they simply do not understand. Good luck!
  30. vladcub
    vladcub 29 July 2021 14: 36
    +6
    Edward, comrades, I looked at the title and further, I thought it was something like Kharluzhny
    I confess: I love quality material.
  31. vladcub
    vladcub 29 July 2021 15: 30
    +6
    Quote: Edward Vashchenko
    Dear Astra,
    one colleague on the VO forum, he sent me a link, I will post a Mongolian costume, but the details on clothes, only within the framework of articles about weapons and equipment. Do not blame me.
    hi

    Edward, it was not worthwhile to reassure her: the Mongols and weapons are secondary to her, and clothes are primary
  32. Alexander Trebuntsev
    Alexander Trebuntsev 29 July 2021 18: 48
    +3
    Everything in the article is far-fetched. The monetary reform of 1961 was carried out precisely in order to make the sale of raw materials abroad profitable. These were the thoughts of Khrushchev. In the first post-war years, the export of oil products from the USSR was insignificant; and crude oil was not exported at all until 1948. In 1950, the share of petroleum products in foreign exchange earnings was 3,9%. But in 1955 this share rose to 9,6% and further continued its growth. However, oil in those days was quite cheap - $ 2,88 per barrel (See: Oil Prices from 1859 to the Present). At the rate of 1: 4, established in 1950, this amounted to 11 rubles 52 kopecks. The cost of producing one barrel and transporting it to the destination averaged 9 rubles 61 kopecks. In this state of affairs, exports were practically unprofitable. It could become profitable if more rubles are given for the dollar. After the reform, oil workers received almost the same amount per barrel in dollars - $ 2.89, but in rubles this amount was already 2 rubles 60 kopecks at the same 96-kopeck barrel cost. The only pleasant aspect of the reform was that copper (bronze) coins of earlier issues were not exchanged, since the cost of minting a single-kopeck coin was 16 kopecks. However, soon after the announcement of the reform, the management of the State Labor Savings Bank and trade organizations received a directive prohibiting the exchange of old paper money for copper coins with denominations of 1, 2, and 3 kopecks, so that, contrary to legends, almost no one managed to get rich on the increase in the cost of copper money. There was an interesting discussion on this topic on central TV. More precisely, there was practically no discussion, since all those participating in it had the same opinion - the monetary reform of 1961 put us on the export of raw materials. I recommend reading a more detailed article without demagoguery here http://www.opoccuu.com/r1961.htm
    We look at the table of production and export of the USSR. For some reason, the table is not displayed
    Table
  33. Dart2027
    Dart2027 29 July 2021 19: 07
    +7
    The contours of the crisis appeared when Gorbachev's unsystematic reforms began, which literally torn apart the economy, which, like any system, required correction, but not defeat. The problems that existed in the economy during this period, first of all, were not associated with the production area (although they, of course, were), but with the sphere of the general culture and consciousness of the citizens of the country of the Soviets, the culture of work, distribution and prioritization. But that's a different topic.
    Gorbachev and the managers who followed him remind the hero of children's books N. Nosov Dunno, who pulled nuts and bolts out of the car where it was not necessary; I controlled a balloon with complete inability to do it; treated patients without medical knowledge; argued with Znayka and talked about what he did not understand.

    I read and am moved. The author himself, without any coercion, says that the state system in the USSR was so poor that outright downs came to power. Do you think this is an excuse? Seriously?
  34. Castro Ruiz
    Castro Ruiz 30 July 2021 01: 01
    +1
    The article and the author are minus.
  35. Erik
    Erik 30 July 2021 11: 58
    +1
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Stas157
    In addition, we have learned a lot! And about the fact that the USSR could do only galoshes normally, and about mines, and about the atomic bomb planted under the new Russian statehood ... but everything was bad there! Because we have never lived better than under Putin!

    It never ceases to please how the fighters against myths about the USSR immediately create their own myths. smile
    Yes, my dear, yes. No need to discuss. The fact is that what we produced (and we don’t have to wave our hands), nobody needed, because nobody bought our galoshes, except for the Africans, who had to walk on the hot sand. That is the whole point.
    We had a defense industry - cool, strong, and we are still proud of it. We are grateful to our grandfathers and our fathers for creating such a defense after the Great Patriotic War.
    From the audience: ... And the first satellite.
    Vladimir Putin: Both the first satellite and the first man in space are our common pride, these are the achievements of the Soviet regime, of which we are all proud. These are nationwide achievements.
    But consumer goods ... Zhirinovsky has already said this. Where were they? There were none. Let's not lie to each other and the people. The people know what was and what was not.

    Come on? And what right, in fact, does he have to declare this "national" pride? USSR and capitalist Russia, a priori antagonists!
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 30 July 2021 17: 15
      -2
      Quote: Erik
      And what right, in fact, does he have to declare this "national" pride? USSR and capitalist Russia, a priori antagonists!

      Then what right did the USSR have to cling to the achievements of Kievan Rus, Muscovy and the Russian Empire?
  36. Terran ghost
    Terran ghost 30 July 2021 14: 44
    -3
    The USSR, which had 16–20% of world GDP (according to various sources), collapsed due to oil prices, then the Russian Federation, with 1,7% of world GDP

    Where would the share of the USSR's GDP in the world economy come from, 16–20%?

    Where did the 16-20 percent figure come from? That is, there are exactly two questions to the figure - on what date the calculations were made and in what way they were counted. Let me explain an important point - for an economy operating according to non-market principles, calculations of gross domestic product "at purchasing power parity" give deliberately incorrect results.
    Thirdly, the foreign exchange earnings that the USSR received, of course, was extremely important for the country, but for the most part it was not spent as they thought.

    In the structure of imports of the USSR, 35-40 percent were machinery and equipment, the supplies of which were necessary for the operation of the Soviet economy and industry, 15-20 percent - the purchase of food products.
    All this was bought in the capitalist countries and a freely convertible currency was needed for the purchase.
    According to Statistical Yearbook 1990

    The gross national product (for the Soviet Union, the gross domestic product was approximately identical to the gross national product - the share of enterprises owned by foreign companies in the country was negligible) for the USSR was about 1000 billion rubles. For the entire Soviet Union.
    The contours of the crisis appeared when Gorbachev's unsystematic reforms began, which literally torn apart the economy, which, like any system, required correction, but not defeat.

    And what, in your opinion, should have been such a correction?
    Gorbachev

    showed exactly how incompetence can ruin a system.

    Actually, it is precisely as a "medicine" for this case that such things as "systems of checks and balances" and the competition of elites are created, which gives at least some more or less probability that people worthy of them in terms of their business qualities will get to managerial positions.
    Formally, by the way, it was all in the Soviet Union. But, alas, only formally. In practice, the system of democratic centralism, according to which the CPSU was supposed to live, was through the so-called. "party discipline" has been replaced by an authoritarian-bureaucratic centralism of a paramilitary type.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 30 July 2021 18: 38
      0
      "1000 billion rubles" - how much, if in Russian? Whistleblowers, damn it laughing
  37. Erik
    Erik 30 July 2021 17: 21
    0
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Erik
    And what right, in fact, does he have to declare this "national" pride? USSR and capitalist Russia, a priori antagonists!

    Then what right did the USSR have to cling to the achievements of Kievan Rus, Muscovy and the Russian Empire?
    and what? did you stick strongly? And How? Smeared?))
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 30 July 2021 18: 43
      0
      Quote: Erik
      and what? did you stick strongly?

      Wherever I could.
  38. Thomas the Unbelieving
    Thomas the Unbelieving 30 July 2021 17: 41
    +1
    The text is interesting. But the Union was not destroyed by oil or even "perestroika". The people who led the country after Khrushchev were killed. They did not want and could not direct the country's economic development by correcting what Khrushchev had done. By the mid-60s, the country faced an urgent need to change the proportions and the system of economic management while restoring line ministries.
    To this end, the USSR State Planning Committee organized work with the involvement of the largest economists and leaders-practitioners of the main sectors of the national economy. As a result, a report on measures to change the proportions, accelerate the pace and increase the efficiency of the national economy was prepared and considered at the September plenum of the Central Committee. The final text of the summary report was written by R.A. Belousov, E.A. Ivanov and A.M. Matlin. The main ideas were published in 1965 in the book "Economic maneuver and methods of economic management."
    But the Dnipropetrovsk mafia that came to power adopted the main ideas of the so-called. “Market economy”: nothing needs to be done, the invisible hand of the market will put everything in order. Oil wealth, when the State Planning Committee was headed by the oilman Baybakov, made it possible to temporarily dispense with the proposed measures to develop the production of consumer goods. Rising costs in agriculture at relatively stable retail prices have resulted in empty shelves in stores and a bloated money supply.
    All this must be known, because history is always repeating itself and the current "abundance" of low-quality goods on the shelves, and even with low wages, inevitably leads to irreversible and bitter consequences.
  39. Doliva63
    Doliva63 30 July 2021 18: 29
    -1
    Quote: Serg65
    Quote: Gardamir
    I remember only one thing, that in Soviet times I did my internship at the Institute of Oceanography.

    "SPE", Sovetskaya 61 ... I remember here, I don’t remember here ...
    Quote: Gardamir
    Do you all remember what happened then?

    I remember very well! The same Sevastopol, the same practice, address Mine wall, EM. Experienced. The order desk I knew was at the intersection of Ivan Golubets and Semferopolskaya.
    hi Good luck in your fight against Russia!

    Are you talking about cap. Russia? laughing
  40. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 30 July 2021 22: 28
    0
    A very interesting article, there would be more of them.
    But I have a question, following the data from the article about the small share of "oil percentages in GDP", while the oil crisis in 1973 affected the USSR's GDP, everywhere they write it had a serious impact.
    1. Edward Vashchenko
      31 July 2021 12: 45
      +1
      Dear Andrew,
      It is difficult for me to say how the 1973 crisis affected the GDP (GP) of the USSR, but it is important to say that the 70s is only the period of the formation of the production system, it is not for nothing that I referred to the film about Aniskin and Fantomas, when geologists find oil, this is a film 1973 g.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 31 July 2021 20: 10
        0
        The formation of the production system began in the 60s, after the discovery of fields in Western Siberia in the 50s. In the 70s, the construction of trunk pipelines began. An oil pipeline from the Volgouralsk oil and gas region to the socialist countries of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance (CMEA): Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland and the GDR, located in Eastern Europe, construction in 2 stages from 1960 to 1974.
  41. Arabfun
    Arabfun 31 July 2021 03: 32
    -1
    What killed the USSR: the answer is in the picture above. According to what they are fixated on and from what they still sausage Ukrainians, this is the style of clothing imposed in the USSR. No one wanted to look like a proletarian on a parade in everyday life, or like a worker in an iron foundry. What did we do after the revolutions of the 80-90s - they altered the form of clothing in all structures. By perestroika, everyone wanted to dress like in the USA and Europe. The USSR lagged behind fashion. Western Multimedia served as a weapon against us in this. They began to live not by bread alone, I gave a salary for jeans. Even a beautiful packaging of milk in triangular bags or paper, instead of glass bottles, has already created fashion. Fashion killed patriotism and ideology.
  42. Arabfun
    Arabfun 31 July 2021 04: 07
    +1
    New types of leisure activities in connection with the democratization of morality and a decrease in discipline, the supply of psychotropic substances to which the author alludes could well add to the decomposition of the mentality of the elites. What Gorbachev smoked so to speak.
  43. V means B
    V means B 31 July 2021 11: 35
    +2
    Specially I asked my mother if there were no coupons in our city in the 70s, they appeared in the second half of the 80s, and then not immediately, while in cooperative trade stores everything was in terms of food.
  44. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 31 July 2021 13: 17
    +1
    Coupons have been ubiquitous since 1988. Then it became difficult to buy something using coupons. And then Gaidar let go of the prices and everything appeared, only the people did not have money ...
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 31 July 2021 19: 54
      0
      In the Urals, coupons appeared in 1987, but almost everything could be bought without coupons from wholesalers in bulk. The warehouses were packed to capacity with groceries. We had a team of 120 people, they bought butter, frozen pink salmon, flour, sugar, cereals, etc. for everyone, and then they hung it up. In the markets, one could freely buy meat, sausage, etc., and the Gypsies sold vodka.
  45. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 31 July 2021 19: 47
    +1
    The author is right, it is difficult to add anything. Before perestroika, the USSR processed and consumed 75% of the oil produced. For the massive import of oil and gas to the West, until the early 80s, there was no transport system outside the CMEA countries. There was no trace of the oil needle, the USSR did without imported products and consumer goods, they produced everything themselves, and machines and technologies were bought for currency.
  46. DPN
    DPN 2 August 2021 21: 54
    0
    Thank you for the ARTICLE, maybe the people will read it and start to think something and maybe turn into the people.
  47. Borisych
    Borisych 8 August 2021 05: 14
    0
    The song about the oil needle was invented by the Chubais, Gaidars, Nemtsovs, Berezovskys and other idiots, those who are responsible for the privatization and impoverishment of the people.
  48. bird
    bird 10 August 2021 23: 32
    0
    "Before the Great October Revolution, Russia's social and economic lag was several centuries behind the notorious West" - a weak thesis, to put it mildly. This is us for the civilian, (approximately as in the nineties and the modern period), for example, we have forgotten how to make battleships with large-caliber guns and still do not know how ((the technology of ancient civilizations ((this is roughly like a blizzard with energy in modern history. The article is generally correct but distort the facts are not good.
  49. zenion
    zenion 29 September 2021 19: 09
    0
    They accidentally found this needle and again stuck it into the veins of the people. Oil goes abroad and blood from the people.