In the United States, it was suggested that the decommissioned F-117A stealth aircraft was again taken to the exercises to practice the battle with the Chinese J-20

The vehicle took part in the US Air Force Red Flag 21-3 exercise. It should be noted that this is already the second documented use of a decommissioned aircraft in the framework of maneuvers.

Tellingly, this time the winged aircraft flew over the Nevada desert in broad daylight. In addition, communication antennas have been extended on the aircraft, making it easier to detect at certain angles.

At the same time, no more additional elements that violate the notorious secrecy of the aircraft were observed. In this regard, in foreign media, it was suggested that the Nighthawk imitated a 5th generation fighter, in which stealth technologies are also widely used. For example, according to the US itself, it could be a practice of fighting the Chinese J-20.

One of the American military Internet portals (The Drive) notes that F-117A flights have been observed for several years after the aircraft were decommissioned. Recently, however, "invisibility" is used more and more often. Probably, the once formidable combat vehicle today imitates enemy stealth aircraft, which will allow the US Air Force to develop tactics for dealing with them.

It is not clear how long the Pentagon will use the "old" F-117A Nighthawk in the exercises. After all, the US Air Force Aggressor squadron, which is now using these machines in training maneuvers, may soon receive several dozen of the first variants of F-35 fighters, the modernization of which to current standards is considered unprofitable.

However, taking into account the fact that the nomenclature of air targets today is extremely diverse, the Americans can use both variants of aircraft in their training.

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[Utes]

In the United States, it was suggested that the decommissioned F-117A stealth aircraft was again taken to the exercises

I remember during the bombing of Yugoslavia, the Serbs repulsing NATO air attacks, shot down this invisible S-125 anti-aircraft gun.
And then they joked "How did we know that it was invisible, you need to warn!"

[Bradley]

That SAM was modified by the French, led through the optical channel.

[venik]

Quote: Bradley

That SAM was modified by the French, led through the optical channel.

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For the first time I hear about the modification of the C-125 by the French (this is more likely from the series "OBS - one grandmother said ...", but there is no reliable data about the use of the electro-optical channel. It is known that the F-117 was discovered by the P-18 radar, which worked In the "blinking" mode. During one of the turns on the radar and detected "invisibility" (P-18 operates in the meter range). According to one version - F-117 opened bomb bays, which sharply increased its RCS, according to another - the pilot thought that he flies straight up the mountain (the weather was bad that day) and he made a sharp "candle" upward, at the same time substituting the "belly" for the radar. After that the target was taken for escort by the SNR125M station ...
Somewhere like this .......

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: venik

Quote: Bradley

That SAM was modified by the French, led through the optical channel.

modification of the C-125 by the French - for the first time I hear (this is more likely from the series "OBS .......

The opinion that the system was modernized by the French is widespread among the NATO military; I first heard it from them. The battery commander did not remember this ... Well, in addition, the Americans relied on themselves "great" and violated everything that they could break during planning: they flew this route several times a day for more than one day - that's what the Americans themselves shared

[family tree]

Yes, schaz! There are optics for low-flying and ground-based, and then only for operators in azimuth and parameter. The complex was made for the Navy, well, it turned out to be successful.

[Region-25.rus]

I remember during the bombing of Yugoslavia, the Serbs repulsing NATO air attacks, shot down this invisible S-125 anti-aircraft gun.
And then they joked, "How did we know it was invisible, you need to warn me!" Laughing

Because they saw in a break in the clouds and shot down using the visual guidance channel

[Utes]

Quote: Region-25.rus

I remember during the bombing of Yugoslavia, the Serbs repulsing NATO air attacks, shot down this invisible S-125 anti-aircraft gun.
And then they joked, "How did we know it was invisible, you need to warn me!" Laughing

Because they saw in a break in the clouds and shot down using the visual guidance channel

And they no longer flew ha ha ha. What kind of "invisibility" is it that you can shoot from a machine gun visually? ...
F-35, invisible too !!!!! But in the field of sight of the S-300 they are afraid to fly in for some reason (or rather, they fly, but they do not violate the border) .. Here is such a paradox.!

[Region-25.rus]

the same kind of "invisibility" such that you can shoot from a machine gun visually? ...

why not knock down with hats? Do you understand the difference between visual visibility and stealth radar?

And no longer flew ha ha ha

nevertheless, they completed their tasks. And in Yugoslavia and in Iraq. I think neither the other was at the same time

ha ha ha

[Region-25.rus]

F-35, invisible too !!!!! But in the field of sight of the S-300 they are afraid to fly in for some reason (or rather, they fly, but they do not violate the border) .. Here is such a paradox.!

Are you sure that they are currently flying without Luneberg lenses And why risk expensive equipment in vain? Or do you think the Americans are fools according to M. Zadornov?

[dauria]

What kind of "invisibility" is it that you can shoot from a machine gun visually?

Good invisibility. Baghdad never raised an alarm until the first bombs fell. Only then did they open the barrage of fire. And so a decent plane, the Atlantic jumped with refueling. In radio silence (even radio altimeters were not turned on), they walked around Iraq as if they were blind. Everything there is for the sake of a small ESR, any junction with teeth, even the LDPE tubes are faceted, not round. And the sweep is awful not for the sake of speed, but for the sake of EPR.

[Rostislav Prokopenko]

well yes. and two on-board computers say - one on business, the second is purely responsible for stabilizing this wunderwafele.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Rostislav Prokopenko

and two on-board computers say - one on business, the second is purely responsible for stabilizing this wunderwafele.

I once read an interview with an eagle from Tanopa, claiming that aerodynamically a very decently controlled plane you can't tell in appearance

[Herman 4223]

I saw a video on YouTube where this well-controlled plane just fell apart in flight. The pilot made the maneuver a little sharper.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Herman 4223

the plane just fell apart in flight. The pilot made the maneuver a little sharper.

Happens, usafu sadness

[Ingenegr]

Quote: Utes

F-35, invisible too !!!!! But in the field of sight of the S-300, they are afraid to fly in for some reason (or rather, they fly, but they do not violate the border) ..

Where is the F-35, and where is the S-300? And yet, what exactly

Quote: Utes

do not violate the border

these same F-35s? The border of the Russian Federation or the United States? Or maybe DGZP?

[Alex777]

What kind of "invisibility" is it that you can shoot from a machine gun visually?

In Yugoslavia, the Yankees got burned because they followed the same route. The fourth time he was shot down.
And the Serbian anti-aircraft gunners were very literate. A lot of things were prepared to shoot down the F-117.
There are also the memories of the Serbian commander. Read it. Seriously.
http://voiska.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=2958

[Region-25.rus]

Read it. Seriously.

What are you speaking about? To read? Come on! The main thing is to read the title and start crowing what fools THERE are! Yes, run and minus without arguing!

[Alex777]

And what? But what if?

[Region-25.rus]

Well, I also adhere to this method - "what if out of a hundred 3-4 will doubt and turn on the brain, but start digging deeper. And look, they will start to really think" and not minus stupidly for evil

[serezhasoldatow]

And you are a boor! Maybe forgivable, tk. VNA Ukraine is famous for this !!!

[Region-25.rus]

And where did I get naughty? Did they come up with Ukraine or who suggested?

[serezhasoldatow]

Read your previous comment. If he is not boorish, then ... And about VNA Ukraine, I'm already used to such comments from there.

[Region-25.rus]

what did I say wrong? And how can you call what was in the comments - "ah-ah-ah! Americans are stupid! They use decommissioned equipment. Foo be that way! But we are cool! And why cool? And fig knows!" And what are the disadvantages for an adequate assessment? So I'll say - it's just because I didn't yell in a hurray-patriotic frenzy. And by the way, about Ukraine - such comments remind me of the races on the Maidan. Well, you don't understand. and I myself was born in the town of Nakhodka, Primorsky Krai, for the last six years I have lived and worked in St. Petersburg!

[Region-25.rus]

And, you, too, apparently read only this comment of mine Others have not read it? And my arguments are against. Read, compare, maybe, and learn to distinguish real rudeness from a statement of fact.

[serezhasoldatow]

I calmly read your comments before, then ... there were notes in Ukraine.

[Region-25.rus]

Well, if you consider yourself a moralist, file a complaint! And may your conscience be clear

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: Utes

bombing of Yugoslavia, Serbs

And we still call them "yugami"))

[Sergey39]

Well, what else can they do? The F-22 is outdated, the F-35 did not live up to expectations :)

[Alexey Stepanov]

Quote: Sergey39

Well, what else can they do? The F-22 is outdated, the F-35 did not live up to expectations :)

Did you read the article diagonally?

[Region-25.rus]

Did you read the article diagonally?

Rather read only the title. Because then "a lot of bukAff and the patriotic-hap-hap script is launched"

[From Tomsk]

All the same, the cooperation of amers with pots is bearing fruit, every day, it is peremoga))

[Region-25.rus]

Apparently we also have stealth aircraft for exercises?

[Ros 56]

Using decommissioned technology is cool, especially for exceptional ones. You can understand them, but it's easy for someone now.

[Alex777]

Their decommissioned F-117s are fully operational. The resource has not been used up.

[Ros 56]

And what does the resource have to do with it, it’s written off, it means that I can’t use it. In our ASK, my friend used to crush a brand new A-15 glider with a tractor. He swore through tears and crushed, the order was to destroy. You see, some retired general in the leadership of DOSAAF came up with the idea that there should be no more than two flight links in the club, or pilots and parachutists, or glider pilots and parachutists, and so that all three were, as before, no, no. So the directive was lowered

[Alex777]

And what does the resource have to do with it, it’s written off, it means that I cannot use it.

It's different in the States.
There is a huge storage base for decommissioned aircraft in the desert.
Parts for operating aircraft are also removed from them, if necessary.
And they are taken into account as a combat-ready reserve.

[Runoway]

Well, I think even j-20 will be maneuverable.
And in general, what kind of battle with, in fact, fighter-bombers are we talking about?

[Region-25.rus]

And in general, what kind of battle with, in fact, fighter-bombers are we talking about?

rather, about who will find out and shoot before whom. And not for practicing dogfights.

[Region-25.rus]

Minus signer! Justify! Or other than "urya-i-i-i! Americans are fools" there are no more thoughts?

[spirit]

Yes, I think it is mainly the options for detecting and capturing the target that are being worked out. On the basis of this data, a special strategy of protivoprotivnosti is at war. In principle, a good idea, from their side.

[voyaka uh]

The commander of the "aggressor squadron", which mainly includes the F-16, complained in the intkrview that the exercises against the F-22 and F35 are losing all meaning. And they also need stealth for training fights.
"Aggressors" were shot down before they could detect the enemy.

[Runoway]

I think if it were otherwise, it is unlikely that it would have sold publicity
For me, the only plus in the F-35 piggy bank is that Israel bought them, there are no other facts of the plane's success

[voyaka uh]

"Success" - is it, apparently, use in combat operations?
F-35s were bought by a dozen other countries besides Israel, but they are non-belligerent countries.
No, fortunately, wars.

[Runoway]

A dozen countries other than Israel, in the majority, do not have the right to choose, but Israel had a conscious one, moreover, on better terms

[s1ma]

The events of March 27, 1999 showed that he is not so invisible !!!

[Region-25.rus]

Another headline reader and tossing caps in the air?

[Utes]

Quote: s1ma

The events of March 27, 1999 showed that he is not so invisible !!!

And also that the fate of Serbia, Russia is not indifferent .. While ebn was drinking, our paratroopers (battalion) rushed to Pristina .. It was a spurt of the Russian world to help the Serbs, while our country was torn apart by the Libers .. Everything we could then.

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

Quote: Utes

And then they joked "How did we know that it was invisible, you need to warn!"

Milosevic was joking, or who else?

[Utes]

Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)

Quote: Utes

And then they joked "How did we know that it was invisible, you need to warn!"

Milosevic was joking, or who else?

Milosevic managed (before his death at the "trial") the Russian world to warn about the dogs of the West and what they can ..

[Region-25.rus]

Milosevic managed to warn the Russian world about the dogs of the west and what they can ..

Peace be upon him

[Utes]

Quote: Region-25.rus

Milosevic managed to warn the Russian world about the dogs of the west and what they can ..

Peace be upon him

From ours it means. ... Rest in peace to Milosevic and all the nameless Russian volunteers who went for the sake of an idea ..

[Region-25.rus]

Eduard Limonov (for all its ambiguity) also volunteered there

[Region-25.rus]

what, minus player! there is no more reason to click on the button? Well, show yourself in public! Justify specifically! Boy or where are you? Olgovich! Show yourself!

[Azimuth]

Quote: Utes

...
F-35, invisible too !!!!! But in the field of sight of the S-300 they are afraid to fly in for some reason (or rather, they fly, but they do not violate the border) .. Here is such a paradox.!

Where does this information about the S-300 and the Israeli F-35 come from?
IMHO, shapkozakidatelstvo and nothing more, and by the way this is a very harmful occupation.
As practice has shown, the fight against the S-300 has long been no problem for the Israelis. Here he wrote more than once, while some were singing odes to Turkish TV-2 Bayraktar, that all the air defense systems of Armenia in Karabakh and not only were destroyed by Israeli UAVs and means, and it is easy to understand that they were not easily destroyed with the help of Israeli technology, and 101% with the participation of Israeli specialists, in which there is nothing unusual, we also accompany our systems for export and their combat use, so to speak, baptism of fire, we work out tactics and techniques. Well, as we can judge from more than detailed and reliable video reports, the Israelis coped with the assigned tasks for 5+. Let me remind you that both the ancient Osa-AK (M) air defense systems and modern Tor-M2KM air defense systems were destroyed, but the cherry on the cake was just the S-300 air defense system.
So if you mean the Syrian S-300 with "Syrian calculations", do not be naive, they will live for minutes if the Israelis take them into circulation, I repeat this is VISIBLY shown, and not just blah blah in a urapatriotic vein.

[Babay Atasovich]

neighing heartily !!!

[tolmachiev51]

- “It is not yet clear how long the Pentagon will use the 'old' F-117A Nighthawk in exercises. After all, the US Air Force Aggressor Squadron, which is now using these machines in training maneuvers, may soon receive several dozen of the first variants of F-35 fighters, upgrading to current standards is considered disadvantageous. " - dear, what did you want to say !?

[gregor6549]

Let me add something to the story of the shooting down of F117 by Serbian air defense personnel.
1, NATO planes made their raids on Serbia from an airbase in Italy, around which many "observers" were grazing, transmitting information to the Serbs about the beginning of the next raids and about the composition of the detachment of forces in the raids.
2. In contrast to previous cases, when the flight routes were changed with each raid, the route along which F117 flew that day had been used several times before.
3. Usually, F117 was accompanied in flight by an EA-6B Prowler aircraft, which interfered with the radar and communications equipment of the Serbian air defense and warned the group's planes about the operation of the radar of the air defense of Serbia. At that time, the Prowler was out of order and someone decided that the F117 could complete its task without the support of an electronic warfare aircraft, based on the success of the previous use of the F117 in Iraq and Yugoslavia.
And if the F117, relying on information from Prowler, usually flew in the BZ with the antenna system for warning about air defense irradiation retracted into the fuselage, then in the case under consideration he had to fly with the antenna of this system extended, which, of course, was his visibility.
4. As part of the Serb anti-aircraft missile battalion, mobile C 125 air defense systems were used, capable of being deployed to a new position in less than an hour (which allowed them to advance to a position that ensures the detection and destruction of air targets whose route is known in time).

The Serb anti-aircraft missile division also included:
P18 target reconnaissance radar, SNR 125 missile guidance station and PRV 11 mobile radio altimeter.
Radar P18, when setting the frequency of its frequency to the lower ganitsa, its frequency range, in the absence of interference (and they were not put on that day), was able to detect and escort F117, and also transmit its coordinates to PRV 11 (to determine the elevation angle of F117) and the station missile guidance SNR 125, after which the guidance of missiles on the F117 and its destruction was no longer a problem.

On the topic of the defeat of F117 over Yugoslavia, there are many sources, including this
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/an-in-depth-analysis-of-how-serbs-were-able-to-shoot-down-an-f-117-stealth-fighter-during-operation-allied-force

[Azimuth]

Quote: Babay Atasovich

neighing heartily !!!

I would prefer our air defense missile systems to laugh, destroying the enemy's means of attack in conditions in which our allies, the Armenians, were burning and scattered in pieces, exploiting our equipment, having behind our shoulders our school and joint exercises ...

[TANKISTONE]

Maybe amers have Russian / Chinese-made air defense / missile defense systems? Are they testing methods of struggle or the capabilities of complexes / radars?

[9lvariag]

Quote: Azimuth

Quote: Babay Atasovich

neighing heartily !!!

I would prefer our air defense missile systems to laugh, destroying the enemy's means of attack in conditions in which our allies, the Armenians, were burning and scattered in pieces, exploiting our equipment, having behind our shoulders our school and joint exercises ...

1. The Armenians have not been our allies for a long time and are actively trying to drag the USA and France into the truce process. They threaten to join NATO, as well as Azeris.
2. What kind of air defense systems are there and in what mods and condition they are, only eyewitnesses can honestly say! And not Azerbaijani propaganda magazines. An example for you: all the suckers chirp in every way moldy manuals that suckers do not have Buk air defense systems in their air defense. And what did I see then brought from the village of Molochnoe to the ARC in 2014? Exactly two batteries of these air defense systems, though without missiles and with rusted hatches, but there was a Buk.
However, lazy and stupid Arabs and the same carnivals from Armenia, etc., I do not justify. They are not motivated and do not know how to fight. They are good at warehouses and chowder with a kitchen.