In Ukraine, they began to develop a 30-mm "infantry weapon" capable of "disorienting the enemy"

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In Ukraine, they decided to increase the caliber of infantry weapons, believing that this would add combat potential to the country's armed forces. The "Mayak" enterprise, which previously presented the development in the form of a 14,5-mm "Night Predator", holds the palm in this area. This is weapon positioned as an ultra-long-range sniper rifle capable of striking not only manpower, but also lightly armored enemy vehicles.

A subsidiary of the aforementioned company announces the beginning of the development of new "infantry weapons". We are talking about weapons in caliber 23 and 30 mm. This weapon is seen as an evolution of the Night Predator.



From a statement by a representative of a Ukrainian company:

We will continue to develop the "Night Predator" concept, creating a powerful, long-range, low-noise weapon for destroying enemy material objects. It can be fortifications, armored vehicles.

It was noted that the caliber of a promising weapon of 30 mm is identical to the caliber of the BMP-2, BTR-3/4.

From the statement:

This can disorient the enemy. When our infantry weapon fires, he will look for armored vehicles, not realizing that the fire is being fired not from an infantry fighting vehicle or armored personnel carrier, but from the position of an infantryman.

It is added that the new infantry weapon will be equipped with a so-called "ballistic refrigerator". This device significantly reduces the sound of the shot, the thermal signature, which will make it difficult to detect the position of the shooter. A similar concept has already been implemented on the aforementioned 14,5 mm rifles.

At the moment, all the characteristics of 23- and 30-mm weapons for infantry are not disclosed. Only the firing range is noted. It is planned that it will be up to 4 km. In this case, the shooter, who in this case is called the operator, will not be behind the weapon, but next to it.
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    1. +15
      25 July 2021 13: 02
      interesting ... how far can the shooter fly? belay
      1. +10
        25 July 2021 13: 13
        "Infantry weapon" capable of "disorienting the enemy"

        How are they going to carry it all on themselves "the developers ..! Have they removed the used large-caliber from the tanks and attached the wheels? Well, the designer ..
        Yes, they will be immediately spotted and killed ..
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                        22. -6
                          25 July 2021 15: 54
                          I completely agree with you. Your anti-advisers from birth lack the ability for logic.
                        23. +4
                          25 July 2021 16: 07
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          You have anti-advisers

                          Well, where did you see anti-Soviet slogans here ?????
                          Wake up, there have been no Soviets for 30 years now and NOBODY is going to fight with what is NOT !!!!
                        24. -2
                          25 July 2021 16: 11
                          Quote: Seryoga64
                          Wake up, there have been no Soviets for 30 years now and NOBODY is going to fight with what is NOT !!!!

                          Is the Mausoleum obstructed for aesthetic reasons? Putin tells us about the bombs planted by Lenin. From the first channel, they talk about the need for monuments to the Krasnovs. And other sluggish decommunization. Yes Yes. Of course, everything is exactly as you say. And all this seemed to me.
                        25. +7
                          26 July 2021 12: 32
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          Putin tells us about the bombs planted by Lenin.

                          The most interesting thing is that GDP was right here.
                          It was Lenin who pushed the national-territorial system for the USSR in the form of a union of equal national republics. At the same time, the alternative proposed by Stalin in the form of "autonomization" (the entry of the republics into the RSFSR on the basis of autonomy rights) was rejected under the pretext of fighting Great Russian chauvinism.
                          In the last years of his life, VIL was generally turned on the theme of great-power (Great-Russian) chauvinism - and among the main Great-Russian chauvinists and Derzhimord were the Great Russians Ordzhonikidze, Stalin and Dzerzhinsky.
                        26. +1
                          27 July 2021 15: 02
                          And on the topic of infantry 30-mm weapons, do you have what to say? Or just about the Mausoleum?
                        27. +1
                          26 July 2021 13: 56
                          Weird! As not a new film - and "is not going to fight with what is NOT"
                        28. -2
                          25 July 2021 15: 46
                          Quote: Seryoga64
                          How are you stuck in the 70s

                          You nationalists like you are stuck in the 19th century, but this is of course different.
                        29. +3
                          25 July 2021 16: 09
                          Yes, all your slogans are out of 70
                          Tighten the remnants of the mosch and think. Councils. Marx has long been gone. these are CORPSES !!!!!
                          Why fight them ?????
                        30. -2
                          25 July 2021 16: 12
                          Quote: Seryoga64
                          Why fight them ?????

                          Marx is dead and Marxism is alive. Ideas, you understand, an extremely tenacious thing.
                        31. +1
                          25 July 2021 16: 20
                          As it was, it remains a theoretical basis - but in practice it does not exist.
                        32. 0
                          25 July 2021 16: 26
                          Quote: Vadim237
                          As it was, it remains a theoretical basis - but in practice it does not exist.

                          We live not the last day. It is not always possible to apply the theory in practice today.
                        33. 0
                          26 July 2021 12: 56
                          It will not be as it is like communism - a utopia. "We don't live the last day." - But we live once.
                        34. 0
                          26 July 2021 20: 39
                          This is how Democracy passed as a stage in ancient Greece, and everyone carries it and carries it, just like a "blizzard"
                        35. +3
                          25 July 2021 16: 20
                          And Marxism is DEAD
                          Go outside and ask people under 40 about Marxism who knows anything about Marxism. Guess three times how much they know
                          Did Zyuganov take a Marx millionaire to his team? True, his wife broke in that he has accounts abroad laughing
                          And who is this "Marxist" in the photo with?
                        36. +4
                          25 July 2021 16: 35
                          Quote: Seryoga64
                          And Marxism is DEAD

                          Do you even understand that Marxism is about the laws of the development of human society, about a scientific approach to the study of the world? Maybe you still declare the laws of physics dead on the basis that the average man in the street by the age of 40 forgets them a little less than completely? Hand face. Maybe you shouldn't show your stupidity so mercilessly?
                          Quote: Seryoga64
                          Did Zyuganov take a Marx millionaire to his team?

                          Sure. Quite like Marx. Here, the truth should be noted such an extremely insignificant fact that Zyuganov is not a communist.
                        37. -1
                          25 July 2021 16: 45
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          Sure. Quite like Marx.

                          But what about the fact that "all the big capitals are made dishonestly"?
                          Here, the truth should be noted such an extremely insignificant fact that Zyuganov is not a communist.

                          belay And who kicked him out of the Communist Party and stripped him of his post? belay
                        38. +1
                          25 July 2021 16: 56
                          Quote: Seryoga64
                          And who kicked him out of the Communist Party and stripped him of his post?

                          You whistled something about labels and about the fact that a person should be judged by deeds. According to some such cases, did you visit Zyuganov as a communist?
                        39. 0
                          25 July 2021 17: 05
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          Did you visit Zyuganov as a communist?

                          belay
                          Soviet and Russian politician, Chairman of the Council of the Union of Communist Parties - CPSU (since 2001), Chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (KPRF) (since 1995), chairman of the Central Executive Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (1993-1995). Member of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of all convocations (since 1993). Member of PACE (since 1996). Member of the State Council of the Russian Federation since 2012.
                        40. +1
                          25 July 2021 17: 15
                          And a lot of interesting things are written on the fence and that everything written must be believed? In business, the current Communist Party of the Russian Federation is the left wing of the United Russia. The capitalist party of the Russian Federation Bugaga.
                        41. 0
                          25 July 2021 17: 42
                          So who are the true Aryans now ... oh, communists? laughing
                        42. -1
                          25 July 2021 18: 05
                          Certainly not Zyuganov with his Russia, which has exhausted the limits of revolutions, and the bourgeoisie at the helm of the party.
                        43. -1
                          26 July 2021 14: 01
                          Think narrowly. The world behind your gate is just beginning.
                        44. Eug
                          -1
                          27 July 2021 07: 18
                          100%. The forms of social organization of society and views on them are changing, but the methodology of Marxism in the study of this very society and social processes is still relevant, naturally, taking into account the changes in society itself. And the bourgeoisie (ruling classes) understand this very clearly and in their behavior are largely guided by Marxism, it is true, with the aim of preserving their dominance in society.
                        45. +2
                          26 July 2021 12: 37
                          Quote: Seryoga64
                          And who is this "Marxist" in the photo with?

                          You will still call him a faithful Leninist.
                          Grandfather Zyu has long since departed from the ideas of communism and became another pocket opposition. For him, communism and the USSR are just a mask, a way to attract the electorate in the elections.
                          What would Comrade Lenin say to this?
                        46. -8
                          25 July 2021 14: 24
                          Interestingly, alternatively gifted fighters against Marxism constantly interpret the Bible based on their economic interests, which Marx wrote about. It's a mystery how it turns out.
                        47. -1
                          25 July 2021 14: 35
                          Well, the Stalinists fought with Bandera, and these ... who live in the Russian Federation and shout that they are patriots of some foreign states, not Stalinists, but as Comrade Lenin said about such people - Political pr-ki ...
                        48. -3
                          25 July 2021 14: 38
                          You pointed out the difference very precisely.
                        49. -13
                          25 July 2021 14: 52
                          Are the Stalinists beating off your clientele? Business on the straps falls short of expectations?
                        50. +1
                          25 July 2021 14: 57
                          Even your notable progress in communicating with the transition from you on you will not give me back my interest in talking to you.
                          I said everything I wanted to say in the last round.
                          Running around my posts, with solid minuses, can lead to another ban. wink
                        51. -7
                          25 July 2021 15: 18
                          Quote: Alex777
                          Even your noticeable progress in communication with the transition from you to you will not return my interest in talking with you.

                          Well, we have a free country. I'll try to survive somehow. Although I will be a little sad.
                        52. +7
                          25 July 2021 15: 00
                          There is no need to pass off your Banderaism as Stalinism, these are different things.
                        53. +5
                          25 July 2021 15: 05
                          Quote: Kobra45
                          Well, the Stalinists fought with Bandera, and these ... who live in the Russian Federation and shout that they are patriots of some foreign states, not Stalinists, but as Comrade Lenin said about such people - Political pr-ki ...
                          Uncle or aunt, if you are not aware, I inform you: Stefan Bandera and Co. are mainly citizens of Austria-Hungary (like Hrushevsky - a prostitute and shpien) and some of Poland.
                        54. +3
                          25 July 2021 15: 07
                          Yes, I know, I don’t badly know the history ... It’s just annoying the desire of some types to pass off their rotten Russophobia for socialist ideas ...
                        55. +4
                          25 July 2021 15: 22
                          Bandera, in general, has never been a citizen of Ukraine, like many other Banderastas.
                        56. +2
                          25 July 2021 15: 57
                          Quote: TermNachTER
                          Bandera, in general, has never been a citizen of Ukraine, like many other Banderastas.

                          Because he did not live up to 1991, when the traitor Kavchuk made a referendum known to all.
                        57. +1
                          25 July 2021 16: 18
                          Quote: 9lvariag
                          Quote: TermNachTER
                          Bandera, in general, has never been a citizen of Ukraine, like many other Banderastas.

                          Because he did not live up to 1991, when the traitor Kavchuk made a referendum known to all.
                          S. Bandera - date of birth January 1, 1909 died on 15.10.1959
                          Place of birth s. Old Ugrinov, Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria, Austria-Hungary.
                          S. Bandera received his passport already in Poland - a Polish citizen.
                          S. Bandera did not receive Soviet documents ...
                        58. +1
                          25 July 2021 16: 19
                          Quote: cat Rusich
                          Quote: 9lvariag
                          Quote: TermNachTER
                          Bandera, in general, has never been a citizen of Ukraine, like many other Banderastas.

                          Because he did not live up to 1991, when the traitor Kavchuk made a referendum known to all.
                          S. Bandera - date of birth January 1, 1909 died on 15.10.1959
                          Place of birth s. Old Ugrinov, Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria, Austria-Hungary.
                          S. Bandera received his passport already in Poland - a Polish citizen.
                          S. Bandera did not receive Soviet documents ...

                          Citizen of Austria-Hungary by birth. And I knew all this without your copy and paste of Wikipedia.
                        59. +3
                          25 July 2021 16: 25
                          Quote: 9lvariag

                          Citizen of Austria-Hungary by birth. And I knew all this without your copy and paste of Wikipedia.
                          I have no doubt in your knowledge, but I repeat the "well-known facts" for the younger generation (or residents of Ukraine who "accidentally entered" the VO)
                          hi
                        60. +2
                          25 July 2021 17: 44
                          He could receive Soviet documents only after his release, but given the fact that he had done a release, he was not threatened. They would quickly put him against the wall))))
                        61. +2
                          25 July 2021 17: 41
                          He could live on the territory of Ukraine from September 39th to June 41st, or after liberation from Nazi occupation. But he did not do this, so he does not belong to Ukraine from any side. Let the Poles take it for themselves, he lived with them)))
                        62. 0
                          26 July 2021 12: 43
                          Quote: 9lvariag
                          Uncle or aunt, if you are not aware, I inform you: Stefan Bandera and Co. are mainly citizens of Austria-Hungary (like Hrushevsky - a prostitute and shpien) and some of Poland.

                          Ahem ... Hrushevsky is the one who is professor of history at Kiev State University, academician of the All-Ukrainian Academy of Sciences, head of the historical and philological department, full member of the USSR Academy of Sciences and the main theoretician of the Bolshevik policy of Ukrainianization of Russian lands? wink
                      2. -18
                        25 July 2021 14: 20
                        My people, conscience at last. All this anti-Ukrainian rotten rhetoric is akin to the same rhetoric only from the opposite side.
                        1. +9
                          25 July 2021 14: 24
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          All this anti-Ukrainian rotten rhetoric

                          Kakel, jump! wink
                        2. -13
                          25 July 2021 14: 32
                          You would first learn to understand the letters. Good luck student.
                        3. +7
                          25 July 2021 14: 28
                          Will you order Ukrainians to love and kiss in all places?
                        4. -11
                          25 July 2021 14: 35
                          I am not your boss to order. But it would not hurt you to think about who incites this Russophobic-anti-Ukrainian hysteria on both sides and for what purpose.
                        5. +6
                          25 July 2021 14: 33
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          All this anti-Ukrainian rotten rhetoric

                          Where is the "anti-Ukrainian rhetoric here?"
                          As far as I know, 30 pieces of silver pay for betrayal
                          So who did Alexander betray?

                          Again, just to blurt out?
                        6. -11
                          25 July 2021 14: 47
                          Quote: Seryoga64
                          Where is the "anti-Ukrainian rhetoric here?"

                          Here. Open your eyes.
                          Quote: Seryoga64
                          Again, just to blurt out?

                          What was this anyway? Rhetorical question? Working on bugs? Split personality?
                        7. +2
                          25 July 2021 14: 51
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          Here. Open your eyes.

                          Quote where rhetoric throw down here. Where is the word outskirts ????
                          This is in YOU eyes blinkers called "anti-cough rhetoric"
                        8. -9
                          25 July 2021 15: 04
                          I have no blinders. Blinders for those who have been at war with Russia and Ukraine for seven years.
                        9. +3
                          25 July 2021 15: 07
                          I repeat the question
                          Quote where rhetoric throw down here. Where is the word outskirts ????
                        10. -11
                          25 July 2021 15: 27
                          What does some kind of outskirts have to do with it? Does this word have a sacred meaning for you?
                        11. +1
                          25 July 2021 15: 29
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          What does it have to do with some outskirts?

                          Open wider eyes, or clean with dynamite
                          Russophobicanti-Ukrainian hysteria

                          Whose words ?????
                        12. -7
                          25 July 2021 15: 40
                          Quote: Seryoga64
                          Whose words ?????

                          My. So what? Where is there about the outskirts? There is nothing about Ukraine, nothing about the outskirts.
                        13. +3
                          25 July 2021 15: 50
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          There is nothing about Ukraine, nothing about the outskirts.

                          RZHUEIMAGU laughing How dashingly you twist laughing
                          Well ok here are my words
                          As far as I know, 30 pieces of silver pay for betrayal

                          Well, where is it here
                          russophobo-anti-Ukrainian hysteria

                          And the outskirts are the outskirts, even if break your whole chest with your knee
                        14. -6
                          25 July 2021 15: 58
                          Quote: Seryoga64
                          And the outskirts are the outskirts, even if break your whole chest with your knee

                          That is, this is not anti-Ukrainian rhetoric, is it different?
                        15. +1
                          26 July 2021 15: 05
                          Well, according to the main point of view about the origin of the word "Ukraine", initially it was used along with the word "outskirts", as an unofficial designation of lands controlled by the Commonwealth on the border with the Republic of Ingushetia. The difference was only in the dialect, since even then the population of the Republic of Ingushetia did not speak a completely identical language (Ukraine is near Kiev, the outskirts in Moscow).
                          Then, with the flourishing of the Cossacks, the "outskirts" were cut off and "Ukraine" remained.
                          So the name "outskirts" itself is as much anti-Ukrainian as, for example, the name "Krevia" is anti-Russian (in the Latvian manner) or, for example, "Muscovy".
                        16. +3
                          25 July 2021 15: 07
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          My people, conscience at last. All this anti-Ukrainian rotten rhetoric is akin to the same rhetoric only from the opposite side.

                          1.Anti-Ukrainian rhetoric - what is it? There is no Ukrainian nation, this is a political figure of speech're coming out of Jews like Lyulev, Yagoda, Kogan, Kaganovich and their sidekicks like Khrushchev.
                        17. 0
                          25 July 2021 15: 19
                          That is, should I throw out my birth certificate and military ID, as not appropriate for the political moment? And change my surname at the same time to Portnoy, yeah.
                          Quote: 9lvariag
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          My people, conscience at last. All this anti-Ukrainian rotten rhetoric is akin to the same rhetoric only from the opposite side.

                          1.Anti-Ukrainian rhetoric - what is it? There is no Ukrainian nation, this is a political figure of speech're coming out of Jews like Lyulev, Yagoda, Kogan, Kaganovich and their sidekicks like Khrushchev.
                        18. -7
                          25 July 2021 15: 51
                          Quote: Overheating
                          That is, throw out my birth certificate and military ID,

                          Undoubtedly. If Russian is not a nationality, but a state of mind, then why shouldn't a Ukrainian be a political figure of speech?
                        19. +7
                          25 July 2021 15: 25
                          There is no anti-Ukrainian rhetoric, there is a categorical denial of the corrupt gang that settled in Cueva and acts in the interests of their masters (Washington, Brussels). The opinion of the Ukrainian people is not taken into account by them.
                        20. +2
                          25 July 2021 15: 36
                          There is no anti-Ukrainian rhetoric, there is a categorical denial of the corrupt gang that settled in Cueva and acts in the interests of their masters (Washington, Brussels).

                          100500% drinks
                        21. -7
                          25 July 2021 16: 46
                          That is, if the gang settled in Kiev will act in their own interests against Russia, will it be okay?
                        22. +2
                          25 July 2021 17: 47
                          The government must act in the interests of its people, but not to the detriment of its neighbors. Zenelokh and his pack act to the detriment of the peoples of Ukraine and Russia, although this is, in general, the same thing.
                        23. -3
                          25 July 2021 18: 07
                          Quote: TermNachTER
                          The government must act in the interests of its people

                          I will tell you a terrible secret, but the government does not act in the interests of the people. It acts in the interests of the ruling class. Sometimes these interests coincide, but very often they do not.
                        24. +1
                          25 July 2021 18: 20
                          This terrible maxim is known in the senior classes of secondary school))) but in a normal country, normal rulers know how to find a balance. Nobody has even looked for balance in Banderland for the last 30 years.
                        25. -2
                          25 July 2021 18: 27
                          Quote: TermNachTER
                          This terrible maxim is known in the senior classes of secondary school))) but in a normal country, normal rulers know how to find a balance.

                          They have not known for a long time. And as this commentary of yours shows, they do not understand. The balance of interests comes down to giving as much as possible to the ruling class and as little as possible to everyone else. That is, I will take for myself the factories of the newspaper, steamships of yachts and villas, and for you a crust of bread so that you do not die of hunger and so that I can earn even more money from you. Is this balance exactly fine with you?
                        26. +1
                          25 July 2021 18: 51
                          Well, it's you, just about Banderlyand))) everything is for sure.
                        27. 0
                          25 July 2021 19: 09
                          This is me just about all the countries of the planet. And about Russia in particular.
                        28. 0
                          25 July 2021 21: 01
                          Tell me a country where this does not exist)))
                        29. 0
                          26 July 2021 15: 18
                          This will be fine, because it will be at least logical and understandable.
                          But when the position "I gouge myself out, if only the mother-in-law had a crooked", then the attitude is appropriate.
                          The United States, acting in its own interests against Russia, does not cause such a violent reaction - they are logical in their actions (although they missed, carried away by the grown dragon). Therefore, hatred for all the time towards the states did not appear - they are opponents, yes, but when our interests at least in some way coincide, they calmly negotiate, discarding the mask of Russophobia. Dislike, yes, but not anger or hatred.
                          And against this background, the wild-looking Baltic states are mosquito states that roar at one of the 3 strongest powers in the world and make decisions to the detriment of both themselves and us. That is, the behavior of countries like a sick animal. This is annoying. It pisses me off. And the attitude from this deteriorates much more, because the logic is just to prick more painfully a big neighbor. There is no other interest.
                    2. +16
                      25 July 2021 14: 33
                      Gentlemen, there has recently been a conversation about Azerbaijanis who live in the Russian Federation, but love to decorate their pages in social networks with the flags of Azerbaijan. Gentlemen, you decide whether you are citizens of the Russian Federation, but then this gives you not only rights, but also obligations, including the protection of the interests and sovereignty of the Russian Federation from all, without exception, foreign states, or you are patriots of some foreign state, not RF, then give up the citizenship of the Russian Federation and move to permanent residence in the countries dear to your heart ... And there is no need to be rude to people here, because you are wrong ... I can even respect those who are now fighting for their Bandera somewhere. , having the citizenship of Ukraine, for an enemy who is ready to die for his ideals in one way or another is worthy of respect, but there is nothing to respect the Bandera people with Russian citizenship and living in the Russian Federation ...
                      1. +11
                        25 July 2021 15: 10
                        ... Gentlemen, you decide whether you are citizens of the Russian Federation, but then this gives you not only rights, but also obligations, including to protect the interests and sovereignty of the Russian Federation from all, without exception, foreign states

                        Or you can say so
                      2. +7
                        25 July 2021 15: 14
                        Yes, drive such a shushara home! -)))
                      3. +1
                        25 July 2021 15: 19
                        Quote: Kobra45
                        Gentlemen, there has recently been a conversation about Azerbaijanis who live in the Russian Federation, but love to decorate their pages in social networks with the flags of Azerbaijan. Gentlemen, you decide whether you are citizens of the Russian Federation, but then this gives you not only rights, but also obligations, including the protection of the interests and sovereignty of the Russian Federation from all, without exception, foreign states, or you are patriots of some foreign state, not RF, then give up the citizenship of the Russian Federation and move to permanent residence in the countries dear to your heart ... And there is no need to be rude to people here, because you are wrong ... I can even respect those who are now fighting for their Bandera somewhere. , having the citizenship of Ukraine, for an enemy who is ready to die for his ideals in one way or another is worthy of respect, but there is nothing to respect the Bandera people with Russian citizenship and living in the Russian Federation ...

                        Stefan Bandera is a simple bandit and terrorist! As well as his bedhouses from illegal armed groups. Respect the citizen of Austria-Hungary, for the tales about the "persecution of his komunyaki" and terrorist acts on the territory of Poland, terror in the Soviet territories? You took it so dashingly. So you can respect the citizens of the Spanish and Portuguese empires and the United States for the gengotocide of the Indians, the British for the concentration camps with the Boers and the rassrels in the East Indies, for the "death squads" of the Japanese samurai. Nemchuru to respect for the genocide of the Slavs! :) They are gloriously fighting with us for 1000 years ?!
                        1. +5
                          25 July 2021 15: 22
                          It depends on whom to compare with whom. I compared those who are fighting for their Banderaism and those who are sitting somewhere in Moscow eating Russian bread and at the same time hating the Russian Federation considering themselves a patriot of Ukraine ... I despise the latter and think that such people should be deprived of Russian citizenship for anti-Russian activities and deported from the Russian Federation forcibly, with the confiscation of property.
                        2. +1
                          25 July 2021 16: 21
                          Quote: Kobra45
                          It depends on whom to compare with whom. I compared those who are fighting for their Banderaism and those who are sitting somewhere in Moscow eating Russian bread and at the same time hating the Russian Federation considering themselves a patriot of Ukraine ... I despise the latter and think that such people should be deprived of Russian citizenship for anti-Russian activities and deported from the Russian Federation forcibly, with the confiscation of property.

                          Yes, with whom do not compare. Some varieties of shit and dung. I would still bow before the schizophrenic rogulyam.
                        3. 0
                          25 July 2021 16: 30
                          I'm not saying that you need to bow before the Bandera people, the enemy, he is the enemy. I'm talking about the fact that all these Russophobes living in the Russian Federation and eating Russian bread (patriots of foreign states who hate the Russian Federation) are especially disgusting to me and they need to be put in their place at the state level, since any of them can already be judged for anti-Russian activities, state treason and drive from the Russian Federation with a filthy broom, with the confiscation of property and the deprivation of citizenship of the Russian Federation (since in the Russian Federation we do not need citizens who hate our country and tear up the ass for the interests of foreign states). As Professor Preobrazhensky said - You cannot serve two gods .... So let them choose, either they are citizens of the Russian Federation, or they are patriots of Ukraine, Azerbaijan, or some other foreign state and go for permanent residence in the country, whose patriots they consider themselves to be, once The Russian Federation is not good for them ... I am disgusted with those who blame the Russian Federation for all their sins, even that winter has begun in Ukraine ... and at the same time have the audacity to live in the Russian Federation and eat Russian bread.
                        4. 0
                          26 July 2021 19: 30
                          Well, first of all, you need to work with your own (or no longer YOUR) elite, which transfers both their money and their children to "Geyropa" and "Uyu". Where do PutiPu's children live? Where is Lavrov's daughter? So you need to start stripping with your own (or rather not yours for a LONG time) so-called. "elites" and governments.

                          And for Prof. Preobrazhensky can be discussed separately. The morality of a person who earns by clandestine abortions to young concubines of the NEPmans, who haunts "this power" but willingly enjoys connections with representatives of this government, is VERY very doubtful.
                      4. +2
                        26 July 2021 20: 16
                        ALL countries that boasted of their "multinationality" be it the "Triune Empire" or the USSR. It is the "national" constituencies that become the sources of separatism. That and Austria Hungary, together with the USSR, and received. And if Georgia, for example, had at least some history and country of its own. Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Uzbekestan have never had their own countries, especially within the borders of their republics. It turned out almost like Shevchenko. "Sho Ti The Romans are wretched, the devil knows sho, not Brutus, we have Brutus and Kokleksy - glorious, not forgotten." He ridiculed small-town nationalism, especially "by the German show," "we will live, like show me, and before that we will tell our story." That is what the USSR and Austria Hungary received. And if the Hungarians and Chekhov had their own countries, WHEN they had, then many peoples who inhabited the USSR had their own independent countries NEVER had. Examples are Ukraine, Turkmenistan, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan and further down the list. Estonia and Latvia have NEVER existed within their modern borders. It is this mistake that the Chinese are trying to avoid: We do not have Tibetans, Uighurs and Han, we only have Chinese. This is precisely what Mussolini and Franco tried to avoid. This is exactly what Bismarck and Friedrich successfully avoided. But Bismarck even managed to Germanize the arrogant Poles, so that in 3 generations they became Germans.
                        It should be so. In a country, any country, there is a country-forming ethnos. In Russia, it is not surprising - Russians. Not the Germans with their Goldstein Goldtropic dynasty, but the RUSSIANS. And there simply should not be others in the country. One language, one culture. It is also desirable that there is one religion. This was done successfully by Bismarck. This was successfully done by Garribaldi and the Sardinian King. Otherwise, you will get fictitious countries, and fictitious peoples "who dug the Black Sea and rebuilt Troy Protoukry", for example, who "taught the ancient English to sail, since the word stern - the rudder of a ship, comes from the Ukrainian" stern "." And at the same time you will get separatism which, sooner or later, will explode.
                        While in the US they said "We are all Americans" (from the 30s to the end of the 70s), the country stood and only became stronger. As soon as the "Struggle for Civil Rights" began (and who infringed upon them, in the 60s?), The seeds of schism began to flow. "I am not American, I am AFRO American", "I am not American, I am Mexican American", "I am not American, I am LGBT American," the whole process has started. The racial, ethnic and cultural split has already gone to the United States, and has already begun to get to the Armed Forces with its "Critical Racial Theory", and it’s interesting how a black or Latinos soldier will behave in battle when he was hammered into Boska that a white soldier fighting next to him is an enslaver and racist initially because he is WHITE. And if so, then whites are all racites, oppressors, colonialists who conquered "distinctive and proud peoples and profiting at their expense." Reminds nothing, no? How about "Russian must pay and repent"? The same.

                        There should be no one in the country except a country-forming ethnic group. The rest must be assimilated. How? And about how Bismarck assimilated Poland. No awards for the severed heads of Polish teachers as the "Civilized English" did with the Irish. No impairment of rights. Why create yourself a 5th column with your own hands? All theaters are in German, all newspapers are in German, church services are in German. Dot. Free teaching of German to ANYONE. Everything. After 3 generations in the Wehrmacht and the SS, Bar Zalewski, Blazkowitz, Janezskie, Eshoveki and von Levitskiy, in the meaning of Mansteins, already served.

                        When I arrived in the United States (1991), there was not a single inscription anywhere other than English (except perhaps in small, poor ethnic areas), and when you called a bank or a hospital, they spoke to you only in English. And there were free English courses. It was all canceled. The process has started. Came to the USA - be so kind as to speak English, respect and FOLLOW traditional American culture. Do you want to speak Spanish and live "at home in Mexico" - suitcase, train station, Mexico.
                        Do you want to stick the Ukrainian flag on the car and hang a trident? Why are you in the USA? Chumadan, railway station - Ukraine.
                        Well, further down the list. It's the same in Russia. If you don't want to be Russian, speak Russian, follow Russian culture and customs - Chumadan. train station, benin's mother. And an example of this should be set by the ELITE. Yeah, that same YOUR (surely not YOUR long ago) elite, which has been creeping in front of the West for centuries since the 17th and sends there both their children and their money.

                        Not a single country with a vector of multinationality, multiculturalism, diving will survive. This is all - the cracks along which the strategic "partners" beat, beat and will beat. There are cracks in any country where there is pluralism. And "multiculturalism and tolerance are additional cracks in the foundation of the state."

                        Perhaps the fight against Great Russian chauvinism (if it AT ALL existed) was needed, but Lenin really messed up with creating artificial "republics" with invented borders according to "nationalities". And Stalin had slightly different problems in the form of the need for Industrialization and the need to "catch up with the advanced capitalist countries that bypassed us by 50-100 years in 20 years, otherwise we will be crushed", and in the form of a "small problem" like the Great Patriotic War. Stalin did not have time to deal with all this, although the same Georgian and other "Caucasian comrades" created problems for him ... Well, show me the independent "Principality of Belarus" or the independent "Kyrgyz Khanate", Armenia and Georgia really had their own states, but among many other peoples who were allocated artificially created republics and artificially invented a history for them - they did not have this. And when they were accepted, they obviously had to be told - YOU ARE NOW RUSSIAN. And after the Great October Revolution they had to declare "YOU ARE NOW ALL SOVIET PEOPLE".

                        Multiculturalism, multinationality are flawed practices, the destructive features of which were known even in the early period of the renaissance, when powers such as France from "independent duchies" were amassing. Europe has not learned the lessons, and again is jumping on this rake, letting in a dubious element from Africa and the Middle East, who does not want to work or assimilate, only yells to "Respect their rights and traditions", pump rights and loot, demand privileges yelling about "oppression". In America - the same process, well, in Russia.

                        Well, the result will be from a series - mascara, light, drain the oil. And they will run and ask "How is this? And what about us? We have repented and paid for the" crimes "of our ancestors? Why are we being killed, raped and robbed?" I will answer with Trump's words "You knew I was a damned snake before you took me in"
            2. +8
              25 July 2021 14: 18
              S-80_RVGK2 Is it possible, somehow, without this boring rhetoric like gygygy, stupid Ukrainians? This not only concerns you.

              Have you ever wondered why this "rhetoric" not only lives on, but also flourishes. This is the psychology of family divorce in everyday life. All good things are forgotten, and all negative things come to the fore. In this situation, Ukraine looks like an obvious "abandoned", but is trying to prove to everyone that it is still "in charge of the kitchen." hi
              1. +2
                25 July 2021 14: 29
                I have a good attitude towards Ukrainians. He himself is half Ukrainian.
                And I don't consider the scoundrels who fire at the civilian population as people at all. And I don’t confuse them with Ukrainians.
                This 30-mm craft is not suitable for anything other than shelling civilians. Only for provocations during a truce. IMHO. hi
                1. -2
                  25 July 2021 15: 07
                  it says what the rifle is for
                  powerful, long-range, low-noise means for destroying enemy material objects
                  1. 0
                    25 July 2021 15: 10
                    Sergei!
                    Do you understand what the accuracy of this "powerful tool" will be? In the barn, you can write anything ... hi
                    1. -1
                      25 July 2021 15: 19
                      An anti-material rifle does not require the accuracy of a sniper rifle, as it was mistakenly written in the article, it is used according to a sufficiently large technique, as a rule. But this is not a weapon, shall we say, for shelling in areas.
                      1. -1
                        25 July 2021 15: 20
                        But this is not a weapon, shall we say, for shelling in areas.

                        Yes. For a defenseless population. As I said...
                        1. -1
                          25 July 2021 18: 25
                          I've already read this somewhere
                          it says what the rifle is for
                          powerful, long-range, low-noise means for destroying enemy material objects

                          smile
                          anti-material rifles are not used against the population, for another they are made
                          hi
                  2. +1
                    25 July 2021 16: 34
                    Quote: Avior
                    it says what the rifle is for
                    powerful, long-range, low-noise means for destroying enemy material objects

                    Duc, the walls of houses are made of material and the holes from this unscrewed cannon in the walls will cause material damage, and the conclusion that "the enemy will search for an armored personnel carrier" is quite eloquent - the total weapon of terrorists
              2. -6
                25 July 2021 14: 38
                Quote: askort154
                Have you ever wondered why this "rhetoric" not only lives on, but also flourishes. This is the psychology of family divorce in everyday life. All good things are forgotten, and all negative things come to the fore. In this situation, Ukraine looks like an obvious "abandoned", but is trying to prove to everyone that it is still "in charge of the kitchen"

                Your analysis of the situation is just at the level of this very kitchen. The real reasons lie in the properties inherent in the socio-economic formation in which we now live.
                1. +2
                  25 July 2021 14: 50
                  _RVGK2 ...Your analysis of the situation is just at the level of this very kitchen. The real reasons lie in the properties inherent in the socio-economic formation in which we now live.


                  You can learn more about "socio-economic formation"
                  between Russia and Ukraine in which you live. stop
                  I warn you in advance, from my ears - the noodles slide off, be it boiled or raw. Yes hi
                  1. -11
                    25 July 2021 15: 02
                    Quote: askort154
                    You can learn more about the "socio-economic formation"

                    Read more from the classics of Marxism. Everything is detailed there. About competition, surplus value, commodity-money relations, socialization of labor, sales markets, monopolization and many other interesting things. I’m unlikely to be as good at explaining.
                    1. +1
                      25 July 2021 15: 05
                      Read more from the classics of Marxism. Everything is detailed there. About competition, surplus value, commodity-money relations, socialization of labor, sales markets, monopolization and many other interesting things

                      Well, show me where the "classics" of Marxism are detailed about the loan interest? ))))
                      And without it, there will be no capitalism in principle))))
                      How can a structure be viewed without its foundation? ))))
                    2. +3
                      25 July 2021 15: 18
                      IS-80_RVGK2 Read more from the classics of Marxism.

                      Thank you ! Took your advice. Flipped quickly
                      Marx, Engels, Lenin, Zyuganov, but not a word about the economic disagreements between Russia and Ukraine. crying hi
                      PS I never use "cons".
                2. +6
                  25 July 2021 14: 57
                  When we lived in a socialist socio-economic formation, even then there was a quiet hiss about the maskals eating bacon.
            3. +3
              25 July 2021 15: 20
              And what smart do you see in this, if I may say so, development?))) Stupid sawing the dough, because, this wunderwaffle has no clear prospects. I want the developers to run around with their development, at a temperature of + 30 and under fire)))) if they survive, I would like to look at their faces))))
            4. +3
              25 July 2021 15: 42
              Tyuyuyu, and sho tse take? Harny lads nichekho, acre of Soviet converted weapons, it’s impossible to come by, it’s not given ...
          2. +1
            25 July 2021 13: 51
            Quote: Alex777
            Svidomo's age-old dream is to shit from afar with impunity.
            This is a typical weapon of genocide of an unarmed population. Of course, you won't go on an offensive with such a "shaft".

            So it is, all surreptitiously and from distant art ..
            They provoke constantly. negative
            Quote: Alex777
            I look forward to a friendly 10 minuses from ukronatsik for "a shot in the eye".

            Yes, here and "our" try "most of all .. hi Here's a paradox. hi
            1. +2
              25 July 2021 14: 03
              Quote: Utes
              Yes, here and "our" try "most of all ..

              Yes, and even angrier and more vindictive
              Here's a paradox.

              hi
              1. +1
                25 July 2021 14: 09
                Quote: Seryoga64
                Quote: Utes
                Yes, here and "our" try "most of all ..

                Yes, and even angrier and more vindictive
                Here's a paradox.

                hi

                Sergei is even worse, their anger is not measured .. he he he Bey his. So that strangers are afraid
                This is how we live, we are more afraid of "ours" .. wassat
                1. +1
                  25 July 2021 14: 16
                  Quote: Utes
                  This is how we live, we are more afraid of "ours" ..

                  The worst blow is the one that inflicts its own
                  1. 0
                    25 July 2021 14: 20
                    Quote: Seryoga64
                    Quote: Utes
                    This is how we live, we are more afraid of "ours" ..

                    The worst blow is the one that inflicts its own

                    In the back, giggling .. angry soldier
                    There are many such Sergey hi What is there to do ? You have to, as you really have to look around and not trust.
                    1. +1
                      25 July 2021 14: 36
                      Quote: Utes
                      There are many such Sergey

                      Yes, here's an example
                      Are you a bot or an analogue of Tabaka?

                      Generally not to the village and not to the city request
          3. +1
            25 July 2021 13: 58
            Quote: Alex777
            I look forward to a friendly 10 minuses from ukronatsik for "a shot in the eye

            While 2, the rest are on the way soldier laughing
            1. -2
              25 July 2021 14: 01
              Relaxed on the weekend. laughing
          4. 0
            25 July 2021 18: 50
            This is a typical weapon of genocide of an unarmed population.

            Here is no need to rock a scow full of feces!
            This is a complex for the destruction of large-sized targets. Helicopters parked, diesel locomotives, transformers ...
            1. +1
              25 July 2021 20: 26
              At the moment, all the characteristics of 23- and 30-mm weapons for infantry are not disclosed. Only the firing range is noted. It is planned that it will be up to 4 km. In this case, the shooter, who in this case is called the operator, will not be behind the weapon, but next to it.

              This is a complex for the destruction of large-sized targets. Helicopters parked, diesel locomotives, transformers ...

              At a distance of 4 km from the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there is none of the above.
              And an RDG device of this size and weight will not drag over the contact line. It is obvious? hi

              https://naukatehnika.com/ukrainskij-mayak-razrabatyivaet-antimaterialnyie-vintovki.html
              1. +1
                26 July 2021 07: 03
                At a distance of 4 km from the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there is none of the above.
                And an RDG device of this size and weight will not drag over the contact line. It is obvious?

                Allow me! And who is talking about the line of contact of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? An article about a 30 mm pusher, an analogue of the German "beater", no more ....
                This is not our complex Exhaust (with which we had a chance to communicate), just the trunks were found in the storehouse and started. Grandfather is just about to ripen to the cars of Nestor Ivanovich. Pravda ...
                1. +2
                  26 July 2021 08: 26
                  What has the carts got to do with it? It is stated that:
                  the shooter, who in this case is called the operator, will not be behind the weapon, but next to it.

                  I mean, in a dugout.
                  Carts made sense in the days of Mosin rifles and Maxim machine guns, which had a weight and rate of fire.
                  A single-shot "rifle" of 30mm caliber is a stationary item weighing more than 60 kg and remote (in dreams) control. hi
      2. +3
        25 July 2021 13: 57
        Quote: SaLaR
        interesting ... how far can the shooter fly?

        He won't fly anywhere
        In this case, the shooter, who in this case is called the operator, will not be behind the weapon, but next to it.
        1. +2
          25 July 2021 14: 27
          Duc mine Pilots were also next to the Hammer ... alezh poured ..))) the truth is not far away bully
          1. +1
            25 July 2021 14: 30
            Quote: SaLaR
            the truth is not far

            And so low low laughing
      3. -1
        25 July 2021 14: 21
        Quote: SaLaR
        interesting ... how far can the shooter fly? belay

        ========
        Further than you can imagine ... request
      4. -2
        25 July 2021 15: 22
        interesting ... how far can the shooter fly?

        Well, they don't think about 30mm barrel recoil))))
        They imagine how they will shoot from the hip with this 30mm cannon, like Rambo)))
        There is also clip thinking)))
        1. +1
          26 July 2021 10: 16
          If it were smooth-bore, then recoil would be the only concern. So it, apparently, is also rifled, due to the lack of plumage in the projectile. Consequently, there will be some forces deforming and leading the barrel in the process of firing from the line of sight. There is no need to talk about any accuracy of a high-ballistic rifled gun in such a performance.
          1. 0
            27 July 2021 21: 57
            That is why I say that it is convenient to shoot at huts with it, but they will not get anywhere else. hi
      5. +5
        25 July 2021 16: 40
        Quote: SaLaR
        interesting ... how far can the shooter fly? belay

        I don't know what they will come up with in Ukraine, but they have already done it in Russia
        sp-30 from Izhevsk
        SP-30 from Izhevsk
        Weight 60kg
        Length 1900mm
        Caliber 30x165mm, muzzle velocity 820 m / s, effective range 2500m.
        Single-shot, calculation of 3 fighters.
        In the USA, the same work was done on this subject.
        asp-30
        ASP-30
        Weight 52kg
        Length 2027mm - barrel 1321mm
        Cartridge 30x113B, muzzle velocity 875m / s.
        Ribbon feed - 500 shots / minute.
        soldier
        1. 0
          26 July 2021 10: 20
          And how does it work? How do you manage without driving a tripod into the ground before firing like in the D-30 howitzer?
        2. 0
          26 July 2021 21: 04
          Ks-23 before him, and no machines laughing
      6. 0
        26 July 2021 07: 08
        In theory, a machine with stops, recoil dampers, etc. And you can also implement a dynamo-reactive system like a 20mm anti-material rifle. But this is so speculative about how it will turn out.
        But in fact, stupidity is not real. If you really want to cheat during the battle, and not easier and cheaper to make an imitator, which will weigh ten kilos and fart into the air as if something like 30 mm hollows.
        But all one turns out to be silly.
      7. +1
        26 July 2021 07: 29
        interesting ... how far can the shooter fly?

        Apparently they are going to use the machine, and even probably with recoil devices.
        will not be behind the weapon, but next to it.

        This means the weapon will be even heavier.
      8. 0
        26 July 2021 20: 10
        The operator will be written next to
        1. 0
          27 July 2021 15: 09
          The operator will be written next to
          Yeah, under the armor of the tower. And we are talking about the BMP-2 in the standard version wassat Here you have a 30 mm barrel, and a "shooter" nearby, and you don't need a recoil device, and it is an infantry one.
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    3. +15
      25 July 2021 13: 09
      This concept has long been developed there!)))

      And at the end, and "ballistic refrigerator" - pour out of the bucket! Everything as drawn!))) laughing
      1. +3
        25 July 2021 13: 46
        The photo is correct. 23 mm and 30 mm is the first step. The next calibers are 57 mm, 76 mm, and then the current NATO 155 mm! And yes, infantry, current infantrymen will be very richly needed.
        1. 0
          25 July 2021 14: 07
          Quote: Cat Alexandrovich
          current infantrymen will be richly needed.

          There were such jokes in the 70s.
          "A Chinese submarine sank. The entire crew, the captain and 12 oarsmen were killed."
          "Chinaai launched satellites. 120 people got hernia"
        2. +1
          26 July 2021 00: 16
          Quote: Cat Alexandrovich
          The photo is correct. 23 mm and 30 mm is the first step. The following calibers are 57 mm, 76 mm,

          Nope! The next 35 mm!# Experienced hand cannon (large-caliber sniper rifle) ARPAD 600 (Switzerland)
          In the mid-1980s, an experimental large-caliber ARPAD 600 rifle was created in Switzerland, in fact even a hand cannon, 35 mm caliber chambered for 35x176. With an effective firing range of 600 meters, this system occupies an intermediate position between VSWR and grenade launchers. The problem of compensating for the powerful recoil of the 35-mm cartridge was solved by installing a hydropneumatic buffer. The recoil length of the barrel is 305 mm. The optical sight is located on an extension bracket on the left side. Single-shot rifle. For firing, 35x176 shells from Oerlikon are used. The weapon fires from the shoulder position, can also be installed on various machines and is operated by one person. It can be used against lightly armored targets such as armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, helicopters, various kinds of shelters. It was a relatively light, powerful and cheap weapon (the price of one instance was $ 1680), which could give the infantry additional firepower ...


      2. -1
        25 July 2021 14: 04
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        This concept has long been developed there!))

        Progress can't be stopped so easily laughing
    4. -3
      25 July 2021 13: 18
      For terrorist attacks in the Donbass - the very thing.
    5. +1
      25 July 2021 13: 23
      Like an anti-material rifle, we have such experience, but it seems unsuccessful, we chose a different caliber.
      1. -1
        26 July 2021 10: 45
        Moreover, there has long been an SPG-9 or RPG-16 mounted grenade launcher with much greater efficiency. The existing RPG-7 and other modern ready-to-use grenades in tubes are not much worse.
    6. +5
      25 July 2021 13: 23
      It’s not okay, spied. And the Ukrainian Armed Forces themselves didn’t run into such a thing?
      1. -12
        25 July 2021 13: 45
        Why this stupid comment? What about the SP-30? Or other 30mm systems? That in general someone did not spy on someone?
        1. +2
          25 July 2021 14: 20
          The separatist at VO was discussed in 2018.
          1. -6
            25 July 2021 14: 30
            One more comment is not clear what it was written for. Is that what you brought this fact to?
          2. +3
            25 July 2021 14: 41
            Quote: tralflot1832
            discussed in 2018.

            Then the pantgan was also - its barrel had a caliber of 50 mm https://topwar.ru/143123-pantgan-nu-prosto-ochen-bolshoe-ruzhe.html
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    7. +5
      25 July 2021 13: 30
      As I understand it, there are a lot of trunks in storage, there is something to build all sorts of crafts. This is all for positional "non-war", put a tripod with a remote control, and you shoot from a dugout (Hollywood has seen enough, in the movie "Jackal" the protagonist used such a thing.). In real combat conditions, such a toy is hardly combat-ready. I would immediately "chop" from the ATGM as soon as I found myself.
      1. 0
        25 July 2021 13: 44
        So the developers have a naive hope that the "disoriented" will not find them. bully

        It is a able to disorient the enemy. When our infantry weapon fires, he will look for armored vehicles, not realizing that the fire is being fired not from an infantry fighting vehicle or armored personnel carrier, but from the position of an infantryman.
      2. 0
        26 July 2021 07: 32
        In real combat conditions, such a toy is unlikely to be combat-ready.

        Let me disagree. According to his grandfather, who was sent to a mountain rifle training in Tbilisi in 1944, because he was leaving for the Northern Fleet, sowing garbage is useful on the passes, and is dragged along by one mule.
        This is how I think - they will give the Chinese, Pakistanis, Indians a stock of barrels from warehouses with minimal alteration. Shaw is there? Tighten the body kit ..
    8. +6
      25 July 2021 13: 41
      The pot on the head is the best disorientation of the enemy ...
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        2. +5
          25 July 2021 14: 31
          Why are you splashing so much saliva on everyone? Where are your opponents wrong? Or do skakuas have at least one positive experience in the creation of weapons? Can you give an example, which of their mriyas were able to bring to mind and, most importantly, to mass production?
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            1. +4
              25 July 2021 14: 52
              They are not stupid or unbiased, they are rather based on the realities of modern Ukraine. And the realities speak about the inability of the Ukroboronprom to create something digestible.
              Understand, creating a sample and making a serial sample are two very, well, very big differences! There must be links between development and industrial production, but they are no longer there. And something tells me that they will not appear there soon. For this, brains are really needed, and not a piece of kitchen utensils on the head ... Here I agree with many. Apparently you have not personally communicated with Svidomo for a long time, try it, learn a lot for yourself.
              1. -4
                25 July 2021 17: 23
                Smiled, I'll give you a fact.
                For the first time in Ukraine, the Paton Institute has developed a 3D printer for ball production of metal products of a given shape and structure for turbines and aircraft engines, using electron-beam printing using powder metal materials.
                Quote from the developer: - "Such technology exists only in General Electric. We are the second in the world who mastered electron-beam 3D printing. Neither the Chinese nor the Germans were able to create such a thing. GE paid $ 1bn for the startup Arcam. In Ukraine, the technology was created for a salary Research Institute. "
                1. +2
                  25 July 2021 18: 10
                  Firstly, this is not a fact, but for now your statement. Does it have a foundation? I'm not sure, but for the sake of interest I'll check it out in the evening.
                  Secondly, what does this have to do with the development, and most importantly, with the introduction of small arms on the conveyor?
                  I repeat, give me an example, when Ukraine brought not only its developments to mind, but was also able to establish their serial production?
                  Don't tell me about the Hammer mortar ...
                  1. -5
                    25 July 2021 21: 31
                    Large-caliber rifles from XADO, even their own scope bully
                  2. -5
                    25 July 2021 21: 34
                    Well, how was it checked, Thomas the Unbeliever? laughing
                2. +4
                  26 July 2021 08: 01
                  Quote: Wahmister 1970
                  Developer's quote: - "This technology exists only at General Electric. We are the second in the world who mastered electron beam 3D printing. Neither the Chinese nor the Germans were able to create such

                  Weird. I know guys who already exploit such a thing of their own design, and more than one. At TSNIITMASH. We talked recently and are very optimistic. They are more concerned about the high cost of powders for this technology. And installations for isostatic pressing, for the finishing of parts.
                  But really, what has been heard about the military-industrial complex 404 lately? Did you put something developed on the series? Well, apart from the "famous" mortar?
      2. -1
        25 July 2021 14: 33
        And the caliber should be a centimeter or two smaller than the head, in order to push it tighter with a sledgehammer.
      3. 0
        25 July 2021 16: 56
        They have already worked out its potential ... lol
    9. -3
      25 July 2021 14: 05
      In Ukraine, they began to develop a 30-mm "infantry weapon" capable of "disorienting the enemy"

      Well, if the vodka is of high quality, then it is also not bad "disorienting", but here it depends on the completeness of the poured glass. lol
    10. +4
      25 July 2021 14: 15
      Revised the Jackal movie
      1. +2
        25 July 2021 14: 35
        The movie had a cool titanium drive.
        1. +1
          25 July 2021 14: 56
          So titanium will be demanded from Russia as compensation for Nord Stream 2
          1. +1
            25 July 2021 15: 05
            So in addition to titanium, knowledge and experience are also needed. hi
          2. +2
            25 July 2021 16: 26
            By the way, Ukraine is the main supplier of raw materials for the production of Titanium in Russia.
            1. +2
              25 July 2021 20: 34
              How does the supply of ore relate to the manufacture of precision actuators?
              IMHO - nothing. hi
    11. 0
      25 July 2021 14: 25
      what It seems that in Ukraine, except for garage craftsmen, there are no more specialists left. One independent selyukovshchina, EPRST.
    12. +1
      25 July 2021 14: 52

      Only a grenade launcher can be used in a 30 mm small caliber, otherwise the recoil will be too great.
      Even better in a caseless version like the 40-mm "Balkan".
      1. +3
        25 July 2021 16: 29
        For such a weapon, you will have to make a barrel with a combined recoil damping system and a new 30 mm sniper projectile, and in general, the remote control system on an automated tripod is quite interesting.
        1. +2
          25 July 2021 23: 15
          It seems that there are automated control systems for the ZU-23-2, but in a completely different weight. And the barrel of 30 mm and ammunition from 2A42 mounted on a tripod, according to sensations, will fly away from the recoil along with the remote control system. And dreams of a range of 4 kilometers look out of place, here from a distance of 1,5 km it is already a problem to hit a 30 mm cannon, there are serious suspicions that an unsecured barrel will not provide acceptable accuracy.
          1. -1
            26 July 2021 07: 52
            I understand that Kurchevsky had a fight with Tukhachevsky. Really muddy the recoil devices. What else?
            from a distance of 1,5 km, it is already a problem to hit from a 30 mm cannon, there are serious suspicions that an unsecured barrel will not provide acceptable accuracy.

            Hit the transformer booth? (Well, they constantly beat them in the war, - infuriates), shoot the boat at the pier, shoot the train on the stretch.
            With the same Exhaust, you can make an adversary of trouble ...
            1. +1
              26 July 2021 08: 58
              To fully manufacture the cannon, that's what your "really muddy the recoil devices" means. Automatic grenade launchers already exist in 30 and 40 mm calibers, where the recoil is much easier to extinguish due to the lower power of the ammunition.
          2. -1
            26 July 2021 12: 58
            During the war, the USSR had a 37 mm gun for partisan units, which had almost no recoil, and it was portable.
            1. -1
              26 July 2021 13: 13
              And now there is a 43-mm GM-94 grenade launcher, so what? Why try to build a miniature cannon, for which ammunition will be obviously weaker than, for example, RPG-16?
    13. -2
      25 July 2021 14: 54
      We are waiting for the development of 155 mm infantry nuclear weapons. wassat Next comes Lavrov's quote ...
    14. -2
      25 July 2021 15: 00
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      Is it possible somehow without this boring rhetoric like gygygy, stupid Ukrainians? This not only concerns you.

      It is forbidden! Tired of it? Go to censor.net / underwear / burp from Freedom - they are already tired of waiting for you.
    15. 0
      25 July 2021 15: 00
      I wonder how the recoil problem was solved. I do not think that only due to weight and dtk
      1. +2
        25 July 2021 15: 06
        After each shot, the structure is manually corrected. bully
      2. +3
        25 July 2021 15: 11
        barrel rollback, dampers, shock absorbers are usually used
        1. -1
          26 July 2021 07: 57
          barrel rollback, dampers, shock absorbers are usually used

          If we consider a semiautomatic machine with a long forward stroke of the barrel, then everything works out. True, I would not take up this device ...
          1. -1
            26 July 2021 09: 17
            theoretically, recoil compensation systems stretch the impulse over time, reducing it to acceptable values ​​- with dampers and the like.
            But as they write, the development is only planned, and what will happen is unknown.
            so there is not much to undertake yet.
    16. +2
      25 July 2021 15: 10
      powerful, long-range, low-noise means for destroying enemy material objects
      not a sniper rifle, but an anti-material rifle.
      It's embarrassing to find such errors on a specialized site from staff authors: ((
    17. +1
      25 July 2021 15: 21
      Quote: Seryoga64
      ... Gentlemen, you decide whether you are citizens of the Russian Federation, but then this gives you not only rights, but also obligations, including to protect the interests and sovereignty of the Russian Federation from all, without exception, foreign states

      Or you can say so

      Yes, we ourselves are full of schizophrenics still living in the USSR emo - utyrkov (like Semin who say the right thing to do the opposite) or living in the Russian Federation, and praising the West or China.
    18. +2
      25 July 2021 15: 24
      Quote: tralflot1832


      The elephant-boy from Lahti?
    19. 0
      25 July 2021 15: 27
      Quote: Marachuh
      We are waiting for the development of 155 mm infantry nuclear weapons. wassat Next comes Lavrov's quote ...
      Late it is called Devy Crockett and itself shoots and air cartridges 30mm. for sighting. Discontinued under Nixon.
    20. 0
      25 July 2021 15: 28
      Quote: Marachuh
      We are waiting for the development of 155 mm infantry nuclear weapons. wassat Next comes Lavrov's quote ...

      Forgot. our Lavrov was still young then, or maybe he already said his quote then.
    21. +2
      25 July 2021 15: 42
      Such seething in the comments, even the legendary Hammer mortar would envy laughing
    22. 0
      25 July 2021 15: 59
      Quote: Angry Troll
      Will you order Ukrainians to love and kiss in all places?

      Understandably impudent and looking rogue citizens of this underdeveloped order of all the Russians faulted.
    23. BAI
      +2
      25 July 2021 16: 48
      We are talking about weapons in caliber 23 and 30 mm.

      Anything over 20 mm is a cannon. Here you can reach up to 405 mm.
    24. +1
      25 July 2021 16: 53
      This can disorient the enemy. When our infantry weapon fires, he will look for armored vehicles, not realizing that the fire is being fired not from an infantry fighting vehicle or armored personnel carrier, but from the position of an infantryman.


      They want to outwit themselves, they need more than one person, and all this is old ...
    25. +2
      25 July 2021 18: 20
      30mm is not the limit. I propose to go straight to 37mm, even throw in the name of the product. KX-200. K - pan-head, X-unknown damage to the enemy and 200-shooter, after recoil, goes home in the form of the two-hundredth.
    26. -1
      25 July 2021 22: 30
      We would go immediately to 76,2 mm, which is squirming and wasting time in vain. It would be a killer thing for a shooter-operator.
    27. 0
      25 July 2021 22: 47
      Quote: cat Rusich
      Quote: 9lvariag

      Citizen of Austria-Hungary by birth. And I knew all this without your copy and paste of Wikipedia.
      I have no doubt in your knowledge, but I repeat the "well-known facts" for the younger generation (or residents of Ukraine who "accidentally entered" the VO)
      hi
      Okay, accepted.
    28. 0
      26 July 2021 00: 33
      those. our Kalashnikov in Tula, I'm talking about a plant, worse than some Mayak ??? !!! mlyn funny ...
      ps yes let it be 155 mm, maybe experience will teach you to follow the words ...
    29. +3
      26 July 2021 01: 58
      With a chovna just right, he shot, and you scrabble by inertia.
      1. +1
        26 July 2021 02: 56
        Keer (Cyril)
        Today, 01: 58
        With a chovna just right, he shot, and you scrabble by inertia.

        And then like in a song
        Quiet by the sea choven plive.

        And in the chapel there is neither an arrow nor a drop laughing
        1. 0
          26 July 2021 08: 12
          And in the chapel there is neither an arrow nor a drop

          What an entertainer you are! Nevertheless, chavny were prepared for shooting at the reeds on the Danube and on Sreta. We were going to look at Ploiesti. The same Kurchevsky 402-recoilless on river boats mounted. And not only him. Take a look at the powered boat mortars ...
    30. +1
      26 July 2021 07: 34
      It is added that the new infantry weapon will be equipped with a so-called "ballistic refrigerator".

      What it is? Anyone in the know. Maybe it's a needle, like our MANPADS.
    31. +2
      26 July 2021 08: 08
      Donetsk gunsmiths were able to convert a conventional AK-47 assault rifle into a ZU-23. The founder of the WarDoc YouTube channel told about the unique adaptation of the rifle chambered for 23 caliber.
      The principle of turning AK into memory is quite simple. It consists in installing a special tube on the muzzle of the machine gun, it is in it that the ammunition from the anti-aircraft installation is placed. At the same time, a blank cartridge is charged into the chamber, the energy of which is used to launch a large-caliber ammunition.
      “The effect is like a grenade launcher. A good thing. It is lighter than a grenade launcher, and if you work at close range, for example, at a hundred meters, then the projectile can be thrown, and it will be cocked after a certain time. That is, it will fall from behind, behind the enemy's back, and explode after some time, and the enemy may not even hear or see this, ”said one of the Donetsk militias.
      https://politros.com/119635-v-dnr-obychnyi-ak-47-nauchilis-prevrashat-v-zu-23?utm_source=warfiles.ru
    32. +2
      26 July 2021 08: 17
      Anti-sniper rifle-gun "Separatist" of 23 mm caliber. Weight 44 kg. The maximum range is 3500 m. Note that 23 × 152 mm is a unitary projectile for artillery systems. Used in anti-aircraft guns 2A7 ("Shilka") and 2A14 (ZU-23-2 or "Zushka"). Execution options: armor-piercing incendiary tracer (BZT), fragmentation incendiary (OZ), fragmentation incendiary tracer (OZT).
    33. 0
      26 July 2021 08: 32
      They will look for BMPs, and we will follow them from a low-noise catapult .......
    34. +2
      26 July 2021 09: 03
      This can disorient the enemy. When our infantry weapon fires, he will look for armored vehicles, not realizing that the fire is being fired not from an infantry fighting vehicle or armored personnel carrier, but from the position of an infantryman.

      Do the chubates think that around them they are as stupid as they are?
    35. 0
      26 July 2021 13: 20
      Why not just a 200 mm caliber?
      As if in developed countries, the functions of such weapons are performed by rocket, mainly high-precision weapons ... And for popuas, yes, good weapons ... No, throwing a 4-caliber shell for 30 kilometers, it's cool ... but it would also be nice to get there, but here it is more difficult, there not only the force of the wind must be taken into account, but also the rotation of the earth and a bunch of everything else ... And in 5-10 seconds, while the projectile is flying, there the turtle will already crawl away ... excellent training of the shooter, the results will be, but in real combat operations, there will be one-time successes that do not affect the statistics ...
      Not, of course, you can use it at short distances ... But why is an RPG bad for this?
    36. 0
      26 July 2021 14: 42
      This can disorient the enemy. When our infantry weapon fires, he will look for armored vehicles, not realizing that the fire is being fired not from an infantry fighting vehicle or armored personnel carrier, but from the position of an infantryman.

      Can the designers imagine the mass and recoil level of the 30-mm autocannon? For the lightweight (with a reduced power cartridge) American M230 Chain-gun (the one on the Apache) has only the weight of the gun body (without ammunition and installation / machine) of 59 and a half kilograms. Domestic (Soviet / Russian) 2A42 of the same caliber but chambered for "full power" (installed on the BMP-2 and the Mi-28N "Night Hunter" helicopter) has only a body weight of 115 kg.
      Or is it planned to develop AGS in a 30-mm caliber? If so, then what is so surprising about it?
    37. +1
      26 July 2021 18: 15
      The Maniac subsidiary needs to develop a new 23- and 30-mm short-barreled "infantry weapon" based on the SPSh. The "ballistic" refrigerator Nord or Saturn can be positioned next to the shooter.
    38. +1
      26 July 2021 19: 07
      I've already seen it somewhere. In the Wehrmacht. 28mm PTO. On a carriage, with wheels. It worked against the T-34. But then the Panzerfaust and Panzershreks appeared. Mnd. The German cannon was at least conical and could upset the T-34 and even the KV (to the side), but what is this? How is THIS shushpankanon better than, for example, a light ATGM (something like Milan or Baby M)? SHOB BOOLO?
    39. 0
      26 July 2021 20: 42
      Are they going to remove KPVT from tanks, 23 from shilok, and 30 from turntables? Why don't they drive and fly anymore?
    40. +1
      26 July 2021 21: 24
      Crap! Most of the comments are finally out of topic! How are you, dear ones? So that discipline is not hooligan and outrageousness is not violated, how to understand? And if these fees are not pleasant, we will arrange more others.
    41. 0
      27 July 2021 02: 49
      Ok, Konstantin, excellent, Georgy. Everything was discussed, starting with the founders of the Experiment. And, as usual, we walked along the Outskirts.
      Citizens.
      But what about the subject of the article, this young Ukrainian bazyuka? A weapon of a young country? Which is so smart that we will not even understand that this is shooting at us, at our tanks.
      I am not a pro in the arms section, and it is clear that Ukrainian military thinkers powder the brains of the gullible and not rich-minded local residents. The main thing is what? the main thing is that the local chatters accustom Ukrainians to the idea of ​​their military power. With the continuation, they say, "lads, yes we are strong as lions, look what a super weapon we have, it's time to move on Russian tanks." Svidomites who are poor-minded are put in their tin buckets - the skull IDEA. The idea of ​​complete and excellent readiness for war with us.
      It is clear that if the roof of the Svidomites is completely ripped off and they trample on us, this bazyuka of theirs will be put into ours .... And they will crush the manpower, in the event of their attack on us.
      After that, we with them for a hundred years on one hectare ... will not sit down.
      So, damn it, why are you trying to scramble about Mordechai Levi, it would be better if someone really understands, told what this Ukrainian bazyuka really represents.
    42. +1
      27 July 2021 07: 56
      And will a whole detachment be carrying this weapon?
    43. +1
      27 July 2021 21: 26
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      I completely agree with you. Your anti-advisers from birth lack the ability for logic.
      Uncle, be careful with your labeling there. Emo Marxism is also an extremist trend working for the collapse of the institutions of the Russian Federation. Either you completely deny the constitutionality of the Russian Federation and its admissibility, or even throw tantrums with the paport of the USSR. This is what I am writing to you, as a former citizen of Usraina (involuntarily) since 1997.
    44. 0
      27 July 2021 21: 28
      Quote: riwas
      Anti-sniper rifle-gun "Separatist" of 23 mm caliber. Weight 44 kg. The maximum range is 3500 m. Note that 23 × 152 mm is a unitary projectile for artillery systems. Used in anti-aircraft guns 2A7 ("Shilka") and 2A14 (ZU-23-2 or "Zushka"). Execution options: armor-piercing incendiary tracer (BZT), fragmentation incendiary (OZ), fragmentation incendiary tracer (OZT).

      Yes, rather, it was taken from the NS-23 air cannon.
    45. 0
      27 July 2021 21: 35
      Quote: Uma Palata
      Ok, Konstantin, excellent, Georgy. Everything was discussed, starting with the founders of the Experiment. And, as usual, we walked along the Outskirts.
      Citizens.
      But what about the subject of the article, this young Ukrainian bazyuka? A weapon of a young country? Which is so smart that we will not even understand that this is shooting at us, at our tanks.
      I am not a pro in the arms section, and it is clear that Ukrainian military thinkers powder the brains of the gullible and not rich-minded local residents. The main thing is what? the main thing is that the local chatters accustom Ukrainians to the idea of ​​their military power. With the continuation, they say, "lads, yes we are strong as lions, look what a super weapon we have, it's time to move on Russian tanks." Svidomites who are poor-minded are put in their tin buckets - the skull IDEA. The idea of ​​complete and excellent readiness for war with us.
      It is clear that if the roof of the Svidomites is completely ripped off and they trample on us, this bazyuka of theirs will be put into ours .... And they will crush the manpower, in the event of their attack on us.
      After that, we with them for a hundred years on one hectare ... will not sit down.
      So, damn it, why are you trying to scramble about Mordechai Levi, it would be better if someone really understands, told what this Ukrainian bazyuka really represents.

      Well, very stupid and inexpensive solid waste ammunition from the RShG / RPO, an SPG-9 rocket or more expensive and more powerful type RG-32 "Hashim" will arrive there, this product will be on the edge of a hohlo innovation! Or a simple version of the SRZO M-8 launcher based on the Gazelle or UAZ, with its ersatz missiles, will simply annihilate the position of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and knock it down before a retaliatory strike.
    46. 0
      27 July 2021 21: 43
      Quote: Terran Ghost
      This can disorient the enemy. When our infantry weapon fires, he will look for armored vehicles, not realizing that the fire is being fired not from an infantry fighting vehicle or armored personnel carrier, but from the position of an infantryman.

      Can the designers imagine the mass and recoil level of the 30-mm autocannon? For the lightweight (with a reduced power cartridge) American M230 Chain-gun (the one on the Apache) has only the weight of the gun body (without ammunition and installation / machine) of 59 and a half kilograms. Domestic (Soviet / Russian) 2A42 of the same caliber but chambered for "full power" (installed on the BMP-2 and the Mi-28N "Night Hunter" helicopter) has only a body weight of 115 kg.
      Or is it planned to develop AGS in a 30-mm caliber? If so, then what is so surprising about it?

      Well, the delivery when firing a burst from the GSh-30 air cannon is about five tons. They are (suckers). as always, they probably confused the lightweight MK-130 of the WWII times and the product of the 30mm type. the sighting gun on the Devy Crockett atomic grenade launcher - the size of the garbage there and the recoil is smaller (the barrel is cut off).

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