Herayas - olympiads for women

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Young Spartans bully Spartan youths. Edgar Degas, 1860 National Gallery, London

What beauty you shine, my dear!
Blush and body fat!
Well, still not!
It's not for nothing that I struggle, I jump and run!
Aristophanes (c. 450 - c. 385 BC)

Women and the Olympic Games. In Ancient Greece, as everyone knows from school, there was a strict ban on women and girls from attending the Olympic Games (or simply the Games). An exception was made only for one woman - the high priestess of the goddess Demeter. However, Greek women had their own holiday "without men" - Thesmophorius - a purely women's holiday, the entry into which men were strictly forbidden and even considered as sacrilege. Yet in Greece, even women could play sports and even compete with each other in the stadium. And in almost the same sports as men. These competitions were called Geraia or Gerey games, and they were dedicated to the wife of the great Zeus, the ruler of gods and people, the goddess Hera.

Gods are the worst of people!


First of all, we note that the gods of the Greeks were extremely similar to people. Moreover, as the thinker Socrates noted, the Greek gods, judging by the myths, were "the worst of people." They spent all their divine powers and capabilities on squabbles, debauchery with each other and with mortals, overeating and drinking. According to Socrates, not a single normal person would want to be like their own gods, although ... he worshiped them very willingly! It's amazing how ugly the Greek gods behaved. So, Zeus, having a beautiful wife Hera, constantly cheated on her with mortal women, for which he turned into a swan, then into a bull. Well, Hera took revenge on his passions for this. For this Zeus acted very coolly with his lawful wife and by this, apparently, set an example for all other Greeks. Once he bound her with gold chains and hung her between heaven and earth, attached two heavy bronze anvils to her legs, and even scourged her!




"The Lady of Auxerre". Paris, Louvre. Perhaps this is what the Greek women of that distant era looked like ...

Beaters for the mess!


Note also that, looking at their gods, in most Greek city-states, the Greeks introduced orders for their women that were not much different from those of slavery. They were charged with the obligation to behave very modestly, guests who come to their husbands not to come across them once again, so that nothing, neither good nor bad, could be said about them. But women should have managed only perfectly well. Her hubby could talk with philosophers all day long, hiding from the sun in the shade of the porticoes, wandering around the market, or attending a palaestra (private gymnastics school) and doing gymnastics there. In any case, by the time of the husband's arrival, his wife, either herself or together with the slaves, should have brought complete order to the house. And if this did not happen, then the spouse had every right to beat his half. True, the Greeks were the first in the ancient world to renounce polygamy and were very proud of it, considering it a barbarian custom unworthy of a noble Hellene!

True, women were given one interesting indulgence. They were actually ordered to go to ... the theater on the feast of Dionysus. But even here they had a limitation: they could only watch tragedies, and comedies were forbidden to watch. After all, they were usually written on the topic of the day, and it was believed that women were incomprehensible, and even rude. Leaving the door of the house, even if to the theater, women were obliged to cover their faces with the edge of their cloaks. And she was not supposed to go out alone, but accompanied by a domestic, preferably an elderly slave!

Sparta is a city where the opposite is true!


But there was a city in Greece where everything was not at all the same as in other cities. It was ancient Sparta and it was the other way around! Spartan women had broad legal rights and could dispose of family property on an equal basis with men, they could have land, and besides, they were charged with the obligation (and not that allowed!) To develop physically in order to give birth to healthy and strong offspring. Therefore, girls were instructed to take part in sports competitions on an equal basis with young men.

Together with the young men, the girls were engaged in running, wrestling (!), And throwing a javelin and a discus. Moreover, all exercises were traditionally performed without clothes. But Plutarch wrote, “there was nothing indecent about the girls' nudity. They were still shy and far from temptation”, Such was the Spartan upbringing, where nudity in sports was not considered indecent. But on the other hand, from such an upbringing, Spartan girls were sharp-tongued, independent in judgments, and men were not forgiven for their vices and weaknesses. And to beat the Spartan woman was a real problem: you could get change too!

Herai - games in honor of Hera


Nevertheless, the women of Greece achieved the right to participate in sports at the stadium in Olympia, dedicating them to the goddess Hera. Hence their name - Gerai. There is a legend that their founder was Hippodamia, the wife of King Pelop. Another legend says that these were 16 women from the cities of Elis, which is why the Heraias were then led by 16 priestesses. As during the men's Olympiads, during the Heraia, a sacred peace was declared between all the Greek city-states, and, of course, men were not allowed on them!


Temple of Hera at Olympia. Rather, what is left of it today (Photo by Ingo Mehling)

The games began with a sacrifice to Hera, because sport in those days was considered by the Greeks as a kind of service to the deity. The female athletes were cleansed with sheep's blood and water. Then, flowers, fruits, wine and olive oil were sacrificed on the altar to the goddess, and finally, the main gift was laid - especially for this holiday, woven and beautifully embroidered peplos - traditionally women's outerwear. The sacrifices were followed by racing competitions - agons, in which girls of three ages were allowed to participate: still girls, teenage girls and young unmarried women. The distance they had to run was one-sixth shorter than that of the men. In modern measures, this turns out to be about 160 meters - something between the distances of 100 and 200 meters. Then other competitions were added to the run, so that the women at the games in honor of Hera had something to see and someone to cheer for. But what were they wearing there?

Herayas - olympiads for women
Running winner. Roman marble repetition (460st century AD) of an ancient Greek bronze original (c. XNUMX BC). Rome, Vatican Museums

Naked, but not quite!


Do not think that the athletes on the Gerayas ran completely naked. No, for them a kind of tracksuit was invented, albeit completely in the ancient Greek tradition. And we know about this, since a bronze statuette of a Spartan runner has come down to us, dating back to 550-520 BC, and which is now kept in the British Museum. In addition to this statue, there is a description of similar competitions in Elis (the Eleians were allies of the Spartans) by the historian Pausanias, which coincides with it:

“These games consist of a race of girls running; these girls are not all the same age, so the youngest run first, followed by those who are somewhat older than their age, and finally the oldest girls run. They run like this: their hair is loose, the tunic does not reach the knees a little, the right shoulder is open to the chest. And for their competition the Olympic stadium is provided, but for running they are reduced the space of the stadium by about one-sixth. The winners are given wreaths of olive trees and a part of the cow sacrificed to Hera. They are allowed to put up their statues with their names inscribed on them ... "

Ruddy and plump


Antique story kept for us the names of many women - winners in such competitions. For example, the name of Chlorida, who was the daughter of the Theban king Amphion. She was such a renowned athlete that one of the city's seven gates was named after her. Moreover, she was also beautiful.

Atalanta from Arcadia was an excellent runner, moreover, she accurately shot from a bow, competed in wrestling, and also won the laurels of the winner there. It was she who was the only woman in the Argonauts' campaign for the golden fleece. And although this is clearly a myth, the fact that such a woman is even mentioned in it is very revealing.

Well, fate itself ordered the Spartans to win in Geraya. Kiniska, the daughter of the Spartan king Archidamus II, repeatedly, for example, won chariot races at the hippodrome and ruled her chariot-quadriga, that is, harnessed by four horses at once, with an unwavering hand. It is interesting that other women also won in equestrian competitions, but they still did not receive such fame as Kiniska. But she was honored to receive a bronze statue of a chariot and her own statue in the Temple of Zeus at Olympia. It bore an inscription stating that she was the only woman to win the olive wreath in chariot races at the Olympic Games in Greece. But the famous Greek satirist Aristophanes diligently ridiculed all these female valor, so the Athenian women did not like him very much.
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  1. +19
    31 July 2021 05: 18
    That's interesting.
    Maybe it's time to revive the Olympic traditions in the clothing of athletes, and especially athletes? wink
    Gender will be immediately apparent. And the attraction among the audience will grow.
    1. +10
      31 July 2021 05: 41
      Quote: tasha
      Gender will be immediately apparent. And the attraction among the audience will grow.

      It would be fine, but options are possible when the "bullying" will begin in the literal sense.
      ==========
      Thank you, Vyacheslav! Interesting reading on Saturday, otherwise:
    2. +20
      31 July 2021 06: 23
      and especially athletes? wink


      A very good idea, but what would happen to the poor audience? wassat
      1. +11
        31 July 2021 07: 05
        Constantine, good morning! Excellent! Plus! For? I am not tolerant! I love women! Always! As far as possible, everywhere! Oh, oh, oh! Women !!!!
        1. +17
          31 July 2021 08: 00
          And the last "Oh" - is your wife with a frying pan next to you?
          1. +12
            31 July 2021 08: 28
            There even three times "oh" with a frying pan flew in .. Poor Phil77, already passed out, the green light went out .. I warmly welcome Taskhi's idea of ​​"reviving Olympic traditions in the clothes of athletes, and especially athletes" (while my wife is not next to the frying pan) and support it.
            1. +10
              31 July 2021 08: 36
              As the character from “Operation Y” said: “Shame!”.
              1. +13
                31 July 2021 08: 49
                Shame!
                And what to do, nature takes its toll
                The mouse is caught on the cheese. Crucian carp - for a worm.
                And the hazel grouse obediently goes to the decoy.
                This is how the whole life of a male, even a leader,
                The rib of Adam catches innocently.
                Agree? Very life poems, very much, like others. The author moget.
                1. +10
                  31 July 2021 08: 55
                  Try to argue. Maybe I'll get smarter with time?
            2. +14
              31 July 2021 08: 42
              There even three times "oh" flew in a frying pan ..
              The first is sighting, the second is the main, the third is the control. The pans are now light ...
              1. +13
                31 July 2021 09: 04
                Nothing, oklematsya. The head is a bone. She can't get sick. Moreover, the frying pans (as you rightly noted) are not the same these days ... Now, if a heavy iron (we still have a couple on the farm) flew in, then yeah ..
                1. +12
                  31 July 2021 09: 45
                  Now, if an unmanageable cast iron flew in ...

                  A serious statement and probably backed up by my own experience. wink
                2. +16
                  31 July 2021 11: 50
                  A shadow slid across the face of her beloved
                  And a look flashed, so usually meek ...
                  The last thing I saw that day
                  There was a black disc of a cast-iron frying pan.

                  (C) A. Ivanov
                  laughing
              2. +15
                31 July 2021 09: 55
                In addition, the arsenal contains various ammunition. soldier
                1. +1
                  1 August 2021 20: 00
                  A comb once flew in ... painful ooooo, in the hands of beautiful women, all the weapons wassat Olegovich respect for the article good
            3. +4
              31 July 2021 14: 17
              SERGE art, I suppose, in the world: Sergei, what if the wife reads what the faithful writes there?
              Women are very curious and vindictive. I know from myself. Because of female rancor, I had to become Vladkub.
              Now I am smart: if that immediately to Odnoklassniki or YouTube.
              Can't I hang my faithful between heaven and earth?
          2. +9
            31 July 2021 09: 13
            This is already ... fy Alas! Honey, what happened yesterday ????
            1. +8
              31 July 2021 09: 17
              Here. The theory has already been studied.
            2. +8
              31 July 2021 09: 53
              Hold on, Buddy, we are all for you !!! drinks
          3. +9
            31 July 2021 09: 52
            This is all from non-observance of basic safety precautions.

            And Seryoga, you see, again sent his wife to his friend at the dacha. laughing
            1. +9
              31 July 2021 10: 10
              Damocles' frying pan?
              1. +7
                31 July 2021 10: 17
                Inevitability as an eternal companion. smile
              2. +3
                31 July 2021 14: 31
                Where is there. But today it will be !!! "You can't be left for a day! Go to the store right away !!!!" And what am I? For a man is weak!
                1. +3
                  31 July 2021 15: 34
                  It gets chilly in the store. And kvass is on sale.
          4. +5
            31 July 2021 14: 27
            She’s in Mikhnevo, in Mikhnevo! That’s why I rejoice. Life. With her too. But not quite! laughing soldier
            1. +2
              31 July 2021 15: 35
              It's harder to get from Mikhnevo. But over time you can.
            2. 0
              1 August 2021 20: 02
              Mikhnevo in kashira?))
      2. +7
        31 July 2021 09: 39
        Alas. German gymnasts, in the "heat" of the fight against "sexism", abandoned the traditional type of "leotard" form and performed in "overalls". They "sewed their legs" to the "leotard" and got a "gymnastic suit"!
        1. Fat
          +4
          31 July 2021 18: 53
          hi Alexei. The next and logical step for women's sports in Germany, very likely, is the "gymnastic hijab" and is no longer within the framework of the "fight against sexism"
          1. +7
            31 July 2021 18: 57
            So a woman from the ROC boxing team, originally from Dagestan, performed with her arms and legs completely closed. And a hood that covered his head. And you mean the FRG ...
            1. Fat
              +3
              31 July 2021 19: 14
              At one time, diving suits were removed from swimming, which turned sport into a "battle of technologies" ...
              These are more claims to the IOC functionaries, they have become politicized lately and have lost their scent. De Coubertin's remarkable initiative was turned into a fiction, a business enterprise ...
              So it will be possible to start hiding exoskeletons under national clothes. Yes wassat
              1. +2
                31 July 2021 19: 19
                I think there will be an inspection. Feminine eyes and hands.
                Interesting - "It" can be admitted to women who are not Christians, if only according to the passport "she"? lol
                1. Fat
                  +3
                  31 July 2021 20: 09
                  Quote: hohol95
                  I think there will be an inspection. Feminine eyes and hands.

                  belay Harassment! Only "rainbow" am wassat
                  1. +2
                    31 July 2021 20: 35
                    So, according to non-Christian norms, a woman can examine a woman ...
                    The main thing is that this woman is a real woman ... wink
                    1. Fat
                      +1
                      31 July 2021 20: 48
                      In order to determine the femininity of a subject, you must first conduct a DNA analysis ... You will not be able to leave important people without earnings! Someone has to scratch the sample tubes! Otherwise, the whole project is in the furnace ... bully drinks
                      1. +3
                        31 July 2021 21: 14
                        Not just DNA. But also the "watermelon tail" must be cut off !!!
                        Otherwise, according to its DNA, "it" smashes itself as a "girl", but the "whistle" does not cut off and does not acquire a "beaver burrow that does not bear fruit"!
                        It used to be stricter - "called himself a woman" get "cutting and drilling a hole" by operation!
                        She called herself a "man" - take the ebonite "rod" and live with him until the very end of the earthly journey !!!
                      2. Fat
                        +2
                        31 July 2021 21: 48
                        Alexey, forgive me all the intricacies of trance alteration are not interesting. Let them take part in the parades, but do not climb sports.
                        Hormonal drugs are now indisputable doping. And the admission of transvestites to women's competitions is a malicious circumvention of this norm. stop
                      3. +2
                        31 July 2021 22: 03
                        I outlined the norms that were in effect in the USSR in the late 80s. At the same time, the term "transsexual" appeared - a person with a body of the gender to which he spiritually does not classify himself. But at that time, the body was "altered" by almost 100 percent. And permission was given after hormonal and psychiatric checks! And now you can declare yourself a "other sex" supposedly to drink hormones, but not lose the ability to reproduce ... And that means not to lose the return to the sex given by nature!
                        At that time - he called himself "a load" - change sex by surgery !!!
                        And the question arises - why did they "get rid" of this practice?
                        Craftiness???
      3. +4
        31 July 2021 14: 00
        Konstantin, I would venture to suggest that mini-battles will begin in the stands. The men will have thoughts: what is the runner under Chiron? And wives will have no time to watch the competitions - they need to look after their husbands
        1. +5
          31 July 2021 14: 28
          Quote: Astra wild2
          ... what does that runner have under Chiron?


          Well Vera ........... I do not know what she had under Chiron, it is somehow unethical to ask ...
          And in general - this is some kind of promiscuity, in my opinion. belay
          1. +4
            31 July 2021 14: 41
            Yes, I got a mistake: I mixed up voiced and voiceless consonants.
            1. +3
              31 July 2021 14: 58
              Good mistake - purely according to Freud. wink Have fun. smile
              1. +2
                31 July 2021 15: 10
                Made specially to amuse
          2. +4
            31 July 2021 18: 59
            And the man in the house and the draft cattle !!!
            The dream of many women!
            1. +2
              1 August 2021 10: 47
              Witty fabulous
          3. +2
            31 July 2021 23: 38
            Of course, wisdom took over.
            1. +3
              31 July 2021 23: 43
              "Three wise men in one basin
              Set sail on a thunderstorm.
              Be stronger old pelvis,
              My story would be longer. "(C)
        2. +4
          31 July 2021 18: 58
          Maybe under a tunic?
    3. +9
      31 July 2021 07: 14
      bouncers from weightlifting and wrestling, anorexic and "therapeutic exceptions" from gymnastics, broad-shouldered and narrow-hipped swimmers and tennis players, longs from team sports - and all naked? The spectacle is not for the faint of heart!
      maybe in athletics one more out of ten can be found exclusively for aesthetic pleasure feel but many sports will have to close
      1. +1
        31 July 2021 07: 22
        We're about ... broads! laughingSorry, about women!
    4. +7
      31 July 2021 11: 42
      Quote: tasha
      Maybe it's time to revive the Olympic traditions in the clothing of athletes, and especially athletes?

      How will I present the Williams brothers tennis players in such an outfit, oh-oh-oh, sisters, of course, sisters. Something to immediately return to the strictest dress code. laughing
  2. +16
    31 July 2021 05: 37
    Kiniska, the daughter of the Spartan king Archidamus II, repeatedly, for example, won chariot races at the hippodrome and ruled her chariot-quadriga, that is, harnessed by four horses at once, with an unwavering hand.
    Beautiful, but a little different. Kiniska was a horse breeding company. This hobby was supported by her brother Agesilai, although he did not take him very seriously. Nevertheless, the four horses set by Kiniska at the Olympic Games came to the finish line first. And since the owner of the team was considered the winner, Kiniska was entitled to a laurel wreath and all the honors associated with the victory.
    My fathers and brothers were Spartan kings,

    I won the victory with a team of swift horses

    And I, Kiniska, erected this monument.

    I say that I am the only woman in Greece,

    Who conquered this wreath.
    Some historians, however, reproach Kiniska for not even mentioning the name of the driver in her laudatory inscription, who, in fact, won the victory for the owner of the Olympic team. But Kiniska, apparently, considered that “this is not a royal affair.” After Kiniska, several more women, mainly from Sparta, achieved victory in the games, but none achieved such fame as she did.
    1. +6
      31 July 2021 06: 59
      Women in sports? Beautiful! When they are ... women! laughing
      1. +3
        31 July 2021 17: 37
        Women should be women. And women are weightlifters. God forbid I dream at night
    2. +9
      31 July 2021 08: 44
      Some historians, however, reproach Kiniska for not even mentioning the name of the driver in her laudatory inscription, who, in fact, won the victory for the owner of the Olympic team.


      This is the inscription on a fragment of the pedestal. All that remains of the past glory.
      1. +4
        31 July 2021 23: 20
        "And the fragment of the statue kept the words:
        I am Ozymandius, I am the powerful king of kings!
        Take a look at my great deeds
        Lords of all times, all countries and all seas!
        There is nothing around ... Deep silence ...
        The desert is dead ... And the heavens above it ... "(c)
  3. +10
    31 July 2021 05: 56
    Eh with one eye to look at this distant past.
    1. +11
      31 July 2021 06: 30
      But how, men were not allowed to compete. I am also outraged to the depths of my soul by this unfortunate fact and I will complain in the local area. All around discrimination and corruption. I, too, would have looked at least with one eye, even if the athletes on the Gerayas were not running completely naked.
      1. +11
        31 July 2021 07: 17
        Something that bothers me sho in with Lyokhoy about one eye spoke in unison. And where is the second one? belay
        And there was discrimination in those blessed times, the boys were naked, and the girls were wearing them! angry
        1. +2
          31 July 2021 19: 00
          The boys have not earned their "skirts" yet.
  4. +9
    31 July 2021 06: 08
    Live and learn...
    I have never even heard of such "women's" Olympiads!
    Thanks Vyacheslav Olegovich!
  5. +8
    31 July 2021 06: 54
    Good morning everyone! AUTHOR-THANKS! You, as always, are great! But! Who loves pure sports ... watch NHL. There ... for real. Alas and ah. laughing The Olympics are a thing of the past, unfortunately. Sorry, my opinion. hi
    1. +7
      31 July 2021 07: 59
      Yes, Seryozha. I come to the same conclusion. Everything in the NHL is professional.
      And at least sometimes you can look at ours, if they manage not to dissolve.
      1. +4
        31 July 2021 14: 35
        Ok! But there too .... this type of women appeared. Oh Woe! For now, thank God in the perspective of one team.
        1. +3
          31 July 2021 14: 41
          It is already getting scary!
          1. +1
            31 July 2021 15: 37
            Better other pictures.
        2. +1
          31 July 2021 15: 37
          It's still more difficult for them. But you can't argue with a symptom.
  6. +8
    31 July 2021 06: 58
    Very interesting, thanks!
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  7. +6
    31 July 2021 07: 43
    And there were good traditions in Greece, and the competitions were very attractive, I would be happy to attend ...
    1. +5
      31 July 2021 08: 59
      Andrei! Hello!
      As????
      1. +6
        31 July 2021 09: 22
        Quote: Phil77
        Andrei! Hello! As ????

        hello, Sergey!

        Of course, as a GRATEFUL viewer Yes
  8. +6
    31 July 2021 07: 48
    I hope that neither the VO moderators, nor the respected commentators will consider me promoting lookism and will not delete my comment for, they say, promoting discrimination in appearance.
    So, Europe is no longer threatened by female beauty! The legends of the centuries about the beautiful-looking Amazons and about the beautiful body of the Greek Goddesses, about the graceful Romans and about the reference Spartans are now for Europe the same as incense to the devil! Hipster women are conquering Europe. This breed originated in America, but crawled like locusts to Europe. One of the features of this breed is the imposition of fashion and lifestyle, that women do not need to comb their hair or stare in the mirror, do not need to choose a coat by size - five sizes larger will do. The store shelves in the women's shoe departments for the evening reception are littered with soldiers' boots, and God forbid that a woman would iron her dresses !!! But most importantly, if the woman is fat, fat, ugly and impudent. This is the squeak and the top! Now all the roads, all the stages, all the audiences, all the studios are open, in them all the cameras are directed and all the microphones are shoved into their mouths ... And just try to stutter that from such a fat, fat and greasy look people start vomiting - right away you will be accused of discrimination in appearance. So you imagine this hipster clothes and shoes on such a greasy, unkempt person who also covered her thighs with fat tattoos and walk around like that. But the worst thing is that such a woman in Western countries is now walking arm in arm with a nice young guy who pushes a baby carriage.
    To my greatest joy in Russia, I have not yet seen this. And Russia is doing the right thing, not striving for such a Europe. A person should be beautiful in body and soul! In any case, a person should strive for such harmony! Especially a woman!
    1. +7
      31 July 2021 07: 57
      I had a case - I drove a German woman to St. Petersburg, Syktyvkar, Nizhny Novgorod. After the stampede in the St. Petersburg metro, she was most impressed by our girls.
      1. +5
        31 July 2021 09: 17
        After a crush in the Petersburg metro,
        Yes, in comparison with Moscow, of course, it is crowded. And the most disgusting thing is that it rains all the time in the St. Petersburg metro and erodes the makeup on the faces of St. Petersburg women, who still remain beautiful.
        1. +6
          31 July 2021 09: 20
          I have already told you. Only from the Moskovsky railway station - and down into the pandemonium.
          We are hardened people.
          1. +4
            31 July 2021 09: 30
            Yes I remember. Lobby with. m. "Moskovsky Vokzal" is the most unfortunate architectural and spatial solution of all transport interchanges in St. Petersburg.
            1. +5
              31 July 2021 09: 33
              Now the MCC is slowly beginning to unload the Moscow metro.
              1. +5
                31 July 2021 09: 41
                Unfortunately, this does not threaten us. Moreover, the city authorities are confidently pushing the city's transport system towards collapse.
                1. +5
                  31 July 2021 10: 07
                  Transport collapse, such a feeling, is an integral feature of our megacities.
                  1. +6
                    31 July 2021 10: 19
                    By the summer of next year, all minibuses will be eliminated. For Peter, with its radial transport system and "rare earth" metro, the aphedrone will begin.
                    1. +6
                      31 July 2021 11: 53
                      Moscow traffic jams begin already in the cities near Moscow.

                      I wonder if I should start to understand urbanism?
                      1. +5
                        31 July 2021 12: 02
                        Moscow traffic jams begin already in the cities near Moscow.
                        This can be understood, especially if we estimate that the population of, for example, Balashikha, is comparable to the Primorsky district of St. Petersburg, the most populated.
                      2. +3
                        31 July 2021 13: 15
                        Yes. I usually compare it with the population of a regional city.

                        And next to it is the Alekseevsky forest park "Losiny Ostrov". You can imagine what a load on the forest. If you don't take the moose into account. And they have nowhere to go.
                      3. +3
                        31 July 2021 17: 47
                        We also have traffic jams. Alas, traffic jams are getting bigger every day.
                        A personal car from a luxury item has turned into a commonplace like a box of matches.
                      4. +2
                        31 July 2021 21: 31
                        He doesn't ask for a box of matches.
                2. +5
                  31 July 2021 11: 05
                  You don't know what's going on with traffic jams in Novosibirsk. am

                  Oooo got it !!!!
                  1. +4
                    31 July 2021 11: 13
                    Actually, I'm not talking about automobiles, which we ourselves create.
      2. +6
        31 July 2021 17: 31
        I was impressed by the German women who sunbathed naked in Cuba. A disgusting sight, considering that, by their current age, they could well have swept the floor in Hitler's bunker.
    2. -3
      31 July 2021 08: 05
      Quote: north 2
      propaganda of discrimination in appearance.

      You propagandize outright stupidity, not lookism. I suspect that apart from the broken dusty sidewalks of your own village, you have not seen any European streets. And with aplomb, you poured a pretentious fool for the same push-button Don Juans over 70 years old who graze on this branch and dream of the sight of the naked female body)
      1. +2
        31 July 2021 08: 27
        Delirium of inflamed consciousness verb.
      2. +2
        31 July 2021 09: 04
        Yes, what's wrong with you? Buddy! Be more fun! And the world ... oh! The world! It will be, really, different! laughing
        1. -2
          31 July 2021 09: 06
          Suggest to have fun with nonsense?)
          1. +2
            31 July 2021 09: 17
            No, I will. just be kinder.
            1. 0
              31 July 2021 10: 05
              I'm not sure that kindness is indulgence in outright ignorance. By the way ... the post of the comrade to whom my post was addressed seemed kind to you?
              1. +2
                31 July 2021 14: 16
                Not really. But ... you really try. The world is basically made up of good, kind people. No?
                1. -1
                  31 July 2021 14: 25
                  And why then did not the author of the post write moralizing about kindness full of complexes, dirt and impotence of all kinds in relation to women? Such one-sided moralism does not convince me, it smacks of something else.
                  And yes, the world is mostly composed of normal people. And my post was addressed to one ignoramus who wrote nonsense, and not the majority
                  who wrote their opinion without filth. And who is on which side is everyone's private matter. Your choice characterizes you personally and not the rest
    3. +8
      31 July 2021 08: 30
      So, Europe is no longer threatened by female beauty! The legends of the centuries about the beautiful-looking Amazons and about the beautiful body of the Greek Goddesses, about the graceful Romans and about the reference Spartans are now for Europe the same as incense to the devil! Hipster women are conquering Europe. This breed originated in America, but crawled like locusts to Europe. One of the features of this breed is the imposition of fashion and lifestyle, that women do not need to comb their hair or stare in the mirror, do not need to choose a coat by size - five sizes larger will do.

      Sorry, but you wrote nonsense.
      The hipster subculture and the fashion for hypersize and oversize - plus size clothes are completely different things. This is the first thing. And secondly, a hipster is not at all what you paint.
      One of the features of this breed is the imposition of fashion and lifestyle, that women do not need to comb their hair or stare in the mirror

      This is completely nonsense.

      Hipster girls in Brick Lane.
      More hipsters.
      1. +9
        31 July 2021 08: 38
        who also covered her fat thighs with tattoos


        The girl is a hipster with a tattoo on her thigh.
        1. +11
          31 July 2021 09: 54
          Good morning, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
          Quote: Undecim
          The girl is a hipster with a tattoo on her thigh.

          I dare to argue - which is better - a "fat thigh", or a tattoo, as the modern meaning of tattoos - to be exclusive and attractive.
          I am a man of old formations, and the thought that the presence of a tattoo on the body is a sign of belonging to a special group of people whose position in society is determined by the type and amount of body painting - stars, domes, rings ... on cattle or horses - as a sign of someone's property.
          Well, and thighs are supposed to be fat - what "fat" from bony ladies?
          feel
          1. +5
            31 July 2021 12: 43
            Good morning, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!

            As a person of old formations, you should know that calling a man by a woman's name is very discouraged in some groups of people.
            As for tattooing, he cannot determine, he can denote.
            This feature of tattoos has been present since prehistoric times.
            Today it is one of the varieties of body art and has nothing to do with the category of "stars, domes, rings ...".
            1. +2
              31 July 2021 21: 21
              Quote: Undecim

              As a person of old formations, you should know that calling a man by a woman's name is very discouraged in some groups of people.

              I apologize, dear ...
              Only when I saw the answer, I realized that I had obviously misled the addressee ...
              Looks like a sleepless night had an effect - bad weather, the pilot was a taciturn, difficult fairway.
              Quote: Undecim
              Today it is one of the varieties of body art and has nothing to do with the category of "stars, domes, rings ..."

              I strongly disagree. Since it has nothing to do with art as such, in spite of the presence of a particle of art. Verbiage in the spirit of African-Americans instead of blacks and blacks, or worse, sex minorities instead of simple popular definitions ...
              1. +2
                31 July 2021 22: 02
                Strongly disagree.

                Your consent or disagreement in this case does not solve anything and does not affect the state of affairs in any way.
                1. +1
                  31 July 2021 22: 15
                  Quote: Undecim
                  Your consent or disagreement in this case does not solve anything and does not affect the state of affairs in any way

                  Whose opinion changes something? And who establishes this state of affairs? Gallery owners in the field of painting? Masters of tattoo parlors for wearable war paint?
                  There is only one point - to make money. Gallery owners - on the sale of paintings not painted by them. Those. when an exalted audience walks through the salon with a glass of shampoo in hand, and, stopping at the next masterpiece, breathlessly reads the title of the opus, commenting on words of admiration.
                  It's even easier in tattoo parlors - any whim for your money.
                  However, the comments under this article are still more reminiscent of the advertisement for "Spazmalgon".
                  1. +5
                    31 July 2021 22: 24
                    However, the comments under this article are still more reminiscent of the advertisement for "Spazmalgon".

                    Someone's brandy stinks of bedbugs, someone's bedbugs smell like brandy. Subjective perception of the object.
      2. +1
        31 July 2021 09: 03
        You already speak better. smile
    4. +6
      31 July 2021 09: 13
      "soldier's boots"

      My daughter wore ankle boots just like that. True, exclusively for rock concerts smile like Kipelov or KiSha.
    5. +3
      31 July 2021 10: 48
      ... The store shelves in the women's shoe departments for the evening reception are littered with soldiers' boots
      If ... Wife Corcoran had to order in the States sad
      1. +4
        31 July 2021 11: 11
        Alex! hi
        Didn't you find the model you needed in London?
        1. +4
          31 July 2021 11: 19
          Good morning, Corcoran was not found at all. Boots of stunning beauty and comfort made of high quality leather. By the way, Putin wore them (not of the same model) on vacation. I myself only wear them.
          By the way, she also favors DrMartens. European beauty is being destroyed by example wassat
          1. +2
            31 July 2021 11: 23
            Hmmm, strange ... 18 advertisements for sale in St. Petersburg.
            1. +2
              31 July 2021 11: 27
              Size, style - that is the question. By the way, in St. Petersburg, how much do they cost? And how real are they, so to speak?
              1. +1
                31 July 2021 11: 30
                Now I will throw off the link in a personal.
                1. +3
                  31 July 2021 11: 32
                  Thanks to. But in any case, I once saw an original Hublot watch for less than a hundred dollars on one large Russian website (really large and famous)! And in London in the store they are 17 thousand pounds belay
                  1. +3
                    31 July 2021 11: 36
                    Well London is not a cheap place laughing
          2. +2
            31 July 2021 11: 41
            Incidentally, I thought about the "Martins".
            1. +2
              31 July 2021 11: 47
              They are now made in Laos and the quality is not at all the same. The price is quite the same wassat ... Corcoran simply surprised me with its convenience and reliability. Of the English, Grinders is the best.
              1. +2
                31 July 2021 11: 56
                I heard about "grinders", but did not wear, but Dr. M I have lived for 6 seasons.
                1. +1
                  31 July 2021 12: 00
                  Still English "built", I suspect? I stopped taking them when they began to fall apart in the second year.
                  1. +2
                    31 July 2021 12: 04
                    I bought it in 2000.
                    1. +1
                      31 July 2021 12: 26
                      In 2003, when they went bankrupt, production in England was closed. First they harnessed the Chinese, and then Vietnam and Laos. So everything is just English work.
                      1. +1
                        31 July 2021 12: 29
                        "This world is not getting better. And we are with it." (WITH)
                      2. 0
                        31 July 2021 12: 30
                        This world is not getting better
                        Especially if the Chinese and the Vietnamese get down to business laughing
                      3. +1
                        31 July 2021 15: 27
                        It's like a mobile: "branded" and "yellow assembly"
    6. 0
      1 August 2021 13: 29
      He traveled a lot and traveled around Europe for work and did not notice anything like that. There are hipster and oversized women)), but much more than usual, in the sense without perversions. For any woman is a unique diamond)). But in Germany there are really more tattooed and colored people.
  9. +6
    31 July 2021 07: 54
    What a different look, however, the "Degas girls".
    1. +3
      31 July 2021 09: 08
      But !!! Girl ... is good, eh ??? Looks like Moscow?
      1. +4
        31 July 2021 09: 16
        Moscow. Sly look.
      2. +3
        31 July 2021 09: 44
        Zhiguli and Gazelle are visible in the picture.
  10. +8
    31 July 2021 08: 00
    In Ancient Greece, as everyone knows from school, there was a strict ban on women and girls from attending the Olympic Games (or simply the Games).

    Unmarried girls were just allowed to attend the Games.
  11. +5
    31 July 2021 08: 06
    A husband talking to philosophers brought to mind our play "Aesop". Amazing production, even in detail.
  12. +6
    31 July 2021 08: 12
    But the famous Greek satirist Aristophanes diligently ridiculed all these female valor, so the Athenian women did not like him very much.
    Seriously??? In my opinion, "Lysistrata" is the first ode to feminism in history.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. +5
      31 July 2021 08: 39
      It is no coincidence that during the "perestroika" and "Lysistrata" we showed up.
      1. +3
        31 July 2021 08: 58
        Was there "perestroika" in Italy at the beginning of the XNUMXth century? Or early XV in France?
        1. +4
          31 July 2021 09: 04
          Merezhkovsky's book "The Risen Gods" really liked at the time.
          And the enthusiasm for the Renaissance is quite balanced by indignation.
          1. +4
            31 July 2021 09: 21
            Alas, I have not read it, but I lost my illusions about the era long ago.
            1. +4
              31 July 2021 09: 31
              A very interesting trilogy. But this is the book I am rereading.
  13. +5
    31 July 2021 09: 25
    Good morning today in the suburbs, I hope the day will be good for everyone! love )))
    The passionate performance of SERGEANT was shocking against fat young women, dressed in a hurry, in whatever they got, with babies in carriages pushed by their husbands. I assure you, not all young women have such husbands who push the stroller. Even in America.
    The life of a woman in our country is much harder than the life of a man. First of all, this is an evil, mocking condemnation from the side of society, if they did not get married. After all, an unmarried woman, whatever she may be, is a potential rival of a married woman, a homeless woman, a lover of each particular husband and therefore a priori a scoundrel, a scum of society and she must be spread rot.
    And this rot is organized by the married women themselves! And where should they, unhappy, go? After all, we do not have enough men. You, boys, are born more than girls, and by the age of childbearing some of you manage to kill yourself.
    As a result, competition, the struggle for a man, so that at least some would go to husbands, in general, leads to the fact that in Russia women are forced to take care of themselves at any age. Taking into account the demon that climbs into your ribs, men, no matter how old you are. Spending considerable additional efforts on keeping in shape - physical, mental, material, plus everything else - often a difficult pregnancy, caring for a child, caring for a husband like a child (otherwise another will immediately turn up for this), cleaning, cooking ... And all this is often due to ailments and fatigue. Moreover, in bed, please, please according to different systems developed by inventive mankind. Yes, plus work for hire, so that the family's budget does not go down the drain.
    Yes, to some extent I have exaggerated the colors. But the picture I painted is not very different from reality.
    And all this is only because there are fewer of you men ...
    There is no such problem in the USA! There all the women get married, even the most terrible ones. The constant influx of migrants, both colored and white, and these are mainly men, calmly solves the problem of population imbalance. The lack of disparity resulted in the growing movement of women in the United States for the right to be natural. Skinny beauty? So lucky by nature. Thick and ugly? It's bad only because being overweight robs your health. Young, with a baby and fat? So after all, many women after childbirth gain weight and only ours with manic persistence for the reasons described above lose it, by the way, often in such ways that are harmful to health.
    And the fact that American women demonstrate arrogance with their thickness and disregard for clothes is the so-called swing. The period when the world swung towards the fat. Some time will pass, and the world will swing in the direction of the hangers again. We are part of nature, and it is subject to rhythms. By establishing balance, the world behaves like a pendulum.
    1. +6
      31 July 2021 09: 48
      You, boys, are born more than girls, and by the age of childbearing some of you manage to kill yourself.
      Mon ami, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! Perhaps I will reveal a secret, but this feature is inherent in most heterosexual biological species on this planet.
      1. +4
        31 July 2021 10: 22
        How about bringing statistics? )))
        I would add here, to the list of options for which a woman is more oppressed than a man, also violence from men, namely: assault and rape, which women often cannot resist due to their natural physical weakness in comparison with any , even a frail man. Something does not flicker in the media "a woman raped a man")))
        1. +4
          31 July 2021 10: 47
          How about bringing statistics? )))
          Varies by type. In humans, approximately 6%, in rats, an equal ratio, in dogs, it can reach 30% (the latter himself witnessed).
          1. +4
            31 July 2021 10: 54
            I didn't quite understand what these percentages mean)))
            1. +3
              31 July 2021 11: 00
              Sex ratio of born individuals.
              1. +3
                31 July 2021 11: 07
                I have read many times that there are slightly more boys than girls. That is, an excess of 6% are boys? But some boys, due to their greater passionarity than girls, due to curiosity and carelessness, die even at preschool age. By puberty, the number of "individuals" is leveled, and then - the death of men begins to exceed the death of women. Work for men is this)))
                1. +2
                  31 July 2021 11: 16
                  Work for men is like this
                  So.
                  "Born - into the saddle - into the grave" (C)
                  1. +3
                    31 July 2021 11: 40
                    And for some reason it seems to me that the ancestral communities of antiquity of our ancestors were much more attractive. In the summer they suffered on the field, and in the winter the rest. Hunting, ice fishing. It's the same as the current vacation)))
                    1. +2
                      31 July 2021 11: 52
                      I appreciate your sense of humor immensely! love
                      1. +4
                        31 July 2021 13: 01
                        Once a certain Athenian complained that life is bad, and Diogenes answered him: "Life is not bad. Life is bad. It is bad." ))))
                      2. +2
                        31 July 2021 13: 07
                        Did he come up with the expression "dog life" too?
                      3. +1
                        31 July 2021 13: 29
                        No, the dogs came up with it. I saw how they know how to complain about their lives, so much so that you understand all the listed hardships: hunger, cold, limitation in movement by a chain, lack of love on the part of a person, his cruelty. Everything is clear, everything!
                      4. +2
                        31 July 2021 13: 40
                        Evono how! And I keep wondering why I have a well-fed, walked, combed, washed dog, with a heavy sigh, settles down on the sofa? ...
                      5. -1
                        31 July 2021 14: 32
                        I have read that everything depends on upbringing. A person should raise a dog in such a way, starting from her infancy, so that she perceives him as the head of the family and knows her place. But how are we? An animal is a beloved child, to whom everything is allowed from childhood, and when it grows up, it is already unable to understand that not everything is at all, and takes offense if you suddenly limit it. Missed parenting, now give up the sofa wassat )))
                      6. +2
                        31 July 2021 14: 38
                        The dog lives in the kitchen and living room. I forbade her to go to the bedrooms, she doesn’t go. And the sofa is in the living room, of course, she considers it hers.
                      7. +2
                        31 July 2021 15: 17
                        My Phil goes wherever and whenever he wants. Unlike dogs. drinks He decides for himself where to be! Cat !!!!
                      8. +2
                        31 July 2021 15: 33
                        All cats consider themselves the owners of the home. Some people talk to their cats. And cats gradually begin to understand the essence of human existence, stop meowing, and the sounds they begin to make more and more often resemble a mat.
                        This is a joke, if that))))
                      9. +1
                        31 July 2021 23: 53
                        My cat too) that's why they are cats))))
                      10. +1
                        31 July 2021 15: 23
                        Well, and why, then, such expressive heavy sighs about the missed opportunity to lie down on the sofa? Such that I can hear them directly. Who shot, he had time!
                        Now imagine how mentally your dog sighs heavily when you get ahead of him?
                      11. +1
                        31 July 2021 15: 33
                        No, today is clearly not my day! Second bad joke! "We'll have to retrain as a house manager." (WITH)
                        sighs your doggie I have a dog.
                      12. +1
                        31 July 2021 16: 13
                        Ah, that's it! Lady, then. Well then, in your own right! wassat )))
                        And in vain do you think that the jokes are unsuccessful - the interlocutor is stupid! Does not fit into the alignment of the mind)))
                      13. +1
                        31 July 2021 16: 22
                        Enough for you, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! It is impossible to charm everyone. All the more so for "evil Pierrot" ("sad Harlequin" is a thing of the past)
                      14. +4
                        31 July 2021 13: 19
                        You can talk a lot about your main message.
                        I will say this - boys can feel that something is wrong, starting from school. This is the female kingdom.
                      15. +3
                        31 July 2021 13: 35
                        And because our boys are brought up by women! Subconsciously preparing boys for submission to women. A boy should be raised by a man from early childhood, but this is not. And then such a child comes to school and is oppressed by the girls. In general, I am for separate training. But this will not fit into the budget optimization scheme.
                      16. +5
                        31 July 2021 13: 46
                        When a woman starts talking about gender inequality in the Russian Federation, I always suggest looking at the statistics: for whom the court leaves children in the event of divorce.
                      17. +2
                        31 July 2021 14: 15
                        And this is not equality! This is a deliberate act that makes men punishable by child support. Deprived of responsibility for raising children, men subconsciously lose responsibility for the future, both their own and the country as a whole. The receiver is so sneaky.
                      18. 0
                        31 July 2021 14: 21
                        Don't shout at me, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! When they shout at me, I get lost ... feel and become prone to unmotivated aggression. I can break something, like my arm. To yourself.
                      19. +2
                        31 July 2021 14: 38
                        Anton, my dear! Yes, I am generally incapable of screaming)))
                        I can only speak calmly and impressively, and then only in rare extraneous conflicts somewhere on the street or in a store - in order to help, and usually it succeeds while doing without blood. But screaming? Yes, even on you? No, it's not about me at all, you bent it too much)))
                      20. +1
                        31 July 2021 14: 44
                        Mdaaa ... I will never get used to the idea that my jokes do not always "come in." crying
                      21. +3
                        31 July 2021 14: 53
                        And you are not joking so scary, but what will happen?
                        "In marathons, my favorite thing is to watch the reaction of the runners grabbing my plastic glass of vodka." (C)
                      22. +2
                        31 July 2021 14: 59
                        In my role there are two hypostases: a buffoon and a bore. I like the second less.
                      23. +2
                        31 July 2021 15: 13
                        It is believed that a person who is not serious about serious things is a fool.
                        Anyone who is serious about frivolous things is a bore.
                        But when these two qualities are combined in a person, he is a humorist.
                      24. +1
                        31 July 2021 15: 20
                        And if so:
                      25. +2
                        31 July 2021 15: 36
                        Great, I laughed for a long time! )))
                        In the photo - the mournful author of the story?
                      26. +2
                        31 July 2021 15: 40
                        Honestly? Do not know! It was too lazy to "crop" the screenshot.
                      27. +2
                        31 July 2021 15: 57
                        The question was not straightforward: "Is this not your photo, Anton?" )))
                        And I thought: and, in fact, why a photo? We communicate with souls! Attracting the mind, reason - who has what, to whom what has fallen to the lot. And while no one is offended. We're not Olympians.
                      28. +2
                        31 July 2021 16: 00
                        The question was not straightforward: "Is this not your photo, Anton?" )))
                        No, this is Shpakovsky, thirty years ago. laughing
                      29. +2
                        31 July 2021 16: 17
                        Even the mustache has no resemblance!)))
                      30. +3
                        31 July 2021 16: 25
                        I am amazed at your awareness! Shpakovsky's wife should start choosing a frying pan! laughing
                      31. +2
                        31 July 2021 16: 43
                        Anyone can achieve this level of awareness. It is enough to go to Yandex and type "the writer Shpakovsky V.O." There are portraits there. In addition, Vyacheslav Olegovich sometimes publishes pictures in which he is personally present. So the spouse of the name can concentrate on other matters than preparing an excessive number of pans ...

                        Again, I didn't get the joke, right?
                        Really appreciated wassat )))
                      32. +2
                        31 July 2021 16: 54
                        Anyone can achieve this level of awareness.
                        Come on?!
                        "Fyodor somehow comes to the great initiate Maxim and asks:" Teacher, what is the meaning of the coming of a bothisattva from the south? "
                        And Maxim, hrya !, in his face !!! And Fedor leaves enlightened! "(C)
                      33. +2
                        31 July 2021 17: 00
                        The main thing is to choose the right direction and calculate the strength of the "Hryas!" So that the number of sparks falling from the eyes sufficiently illuminates the road of life.
                      34. +2
                        31 July 2021 17: 21
                        Alas, I am not convincing enough in my sermons, my children have chosen their own path of repeated trial and error. Their mother was instrumental in this.
                      35. +3
                        31 July 2021 17: 52
                        Anton, do not reproach yourself or anyone else. We have no power over children, time has power over them. They are not repeating your trials and mistakes, they are making their own. Your experience did not suit them. Because it belongs to the past, and the past does not convince anyone.
                      36. +3
                        31 July 2021 19: 25
                        I always wanted to have a daughter. Alas, girls rarely give birth to "my surname" ...
                      37. +4
                        31 July 2021 16: 02
                        Oh, my personal evil genius pinned down, began to sculpt cons.
                      38. +2
                        31 July 2021 16: 22
                        I sympathize. If one day a person shows sympathy for another and receives a response, and then suddenly sees that the flow of response emanation of happiness has dried up, an unambiguous conclusion can be drawn. Do it!
                      39. +2
                        31 July 2021 16: 33
                        Eh, no! This organism is unfamiliar to me. Either due to the fact that the "unicellular" ones do not interest me, or because the subject did not bother with the ability to write. I simply remove people who are rude to me openly from my social circle.
                      40. +2
                        31 July 2021 16: 45
                        Dear Anton, you are in touch with this person. He does not communicate with you.
                      41. +2
                        31 July 2021 17: 09
                        Crap! I didn’t think about this side of the question, alas ... But I should have, all the same I worked in the theater once.
                        "The hall is quiet. I went to the stage" (C)
                      42. +3
                        31 July 2021 17: 30
                        But from the audience there are sometimes remarks addressed to the actor. They want more from you!
                      43. +3
                        31 July 2021 18: 06
                        That is unlikely. Even the most loyal friends will throw rotten eggs.
                        Now, you don't believe me that the High Middle Ages were the most comfortable for women in the entire history of mankind !?
                      44. +1
                        31 July 2021 18: 54
                        Anton, we have already discussed this topic. I had to look through several sites. Commoners worked hard and terribly. From the early Middle Ages to the later, the rights of aristocrats were reduced. Were sick a lot. There are no doctors. Lack of modern hygiene products. Unloved husbands. Not like that - go to a monastery, stuff. I can't understand what was good there.
                      45. +1
                        31 July 2021 19: 35
                        Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I do not doubt that I am right and will try to be convincing.
                      46. +2
                        31 July 2021 19: 49
                        Well, I'll wait. On occasion on a suitable topic.
                      47. +4
                        31 July 2021 19: 59
                        Well ... I'll have to live up to expectations. I never thought that a woman could move me to "scribbling" ...
                      48. +2
                        31 July 2021 20: 38
                        Mon Ami! You, the last woman to whom I will "cry" about my fate
                      49. +3
                        1 August 2021 10: 54
                        The last in a long line of those that you sob into clothes? I quietly walked away, warning everyone who was behind me: "I will not stand."
                        Yes ... Minusator went through. Rather, it was mine.
                      50. +3
                        31 July 2021 21: 51
                        This hypostasis may have its merits. Sometimes I notice myself. Although I don't really like this state.
                      51. +3
                        1 August 2021 10: 56
                        This hypostasis may have its merits.

                        Specify the hypostasis.
                      52. +3
                        1 August 2021 11: 23
                        It's about boring.
                      53. +2
                        1 August 2021 13: 10
                        It is easy to produce tediousness, it is difficult to endure. After all, the main idea of ​​the bore is clear from the summer. But sly bores, it happens, clothe a thought in a wrapped form.
                      54. +3
                        1 August 2021 13: 15
                        It's good when they grab it from the summer. But there are also mistakes.
                      55. +1
                        1 August 2021 18: 12
                        Yeah. Especially when you unfold, and there is emptiness as a form, or even worse - a naked king.
                      56. +1
                        1 August 2021 22: 13
                        Candy wrapped in a wrapper is often more interesting than candy without a wrapper.
                      57. +1
                        1 August 2021 18: 56
                        But sly bores, it happens, clothe a thought in a wrapped form.
                        Ulcer! laughing
                      58. +1
                        1 August 2021 19: 15
                        Oh no! Curious without measure, but come on, come on, what do we have inside? ... This is it?!? (((belay )))
                      59. +2
                        1 August 2021 19: 25
                        I have already tried to show you what I have inside ... They parted by "armed neutrality"
                        The lousy "Bazarov" of you, alas, and ah ...
                        Maybe because you can't cope with your own "demons"?
                      60. +3
                        1 August 2021 19: 32
                        Complete success with demons! Angels I Can't Control wassat )))
                        Along the way, an anecdote.
                        The devils invited the angels to play hockey.
                        “We agree,” the angels replied.
                        Moreover, the best players are with us,
                        - Perhaps, - the devils did not argue, -
                        But all the judges are ours.
                      61. +2
                        1 August 2021 19: 46
                        Complete success with demons! Angels I Can't Control
                        Twice the ulcer!
                        PS. With hockey, this is for Sergei.
                      62. +2
                        1 August 2021 19: 48
                        Eck is cracking you! ...
                        With hockey, then, to Seryozha, and drive up to you on a lame goat?
                      63. +3
                        1 August 2021 19: 54
                        Exactly! I am immensely glad that you have already figured out the personalities! laughing
                      64. +3
                        1 August 2021 20: 09
                        It's good that I'm not digging in manure! wassat )))
                        Oh, now she's cracking me ...
                        Well, you are a provocateur!
                      65. +1
                        2 August 2021 19: 21
                        Angels don't play hockey, take my word for it. wink Damn? Yes! This is a win-win option. The game is tempo, power, contact. Here is my favorite technique / was / -the so-called "mill". Well, it was called that way before! Then Kasparaitis got a lot in the NHL for the regular use of this technique.
                      66. +1
                        2 August 2021 19: 54
                        It looks something like this. Of course, there are options, but the most important thing. This is the choice of the moment when to "enter" the opponent! This is important!

                        The technique is very effective and the audience likes it, or ... it ends with a whistle of the enemy audience.
                      67. +1
                        2 August 2021 20: 26
                        Seryozha, good evening! )))
                        I read, I can not tear myself away:
                        Grigory Klimov, "The Prince of this World".
                        So what about talking today, I pass. The prototype of one of the heroes, it seems to me, is Bokiy. Book tightened wassat
                      68. +1
                        2 August 2021 20: 56
                        Good evening, my dear friend! Boky? The same? From the Cheka?
                        Already downloaded! But this is ... a dilogy! "My name is legion." Part Two - Or First? wink
                      69. +1
                        3 August 2021 00: 09
                        Thanks for the tip about the dilogy. So I will also read the second book. I am now on page 58 of "The Prince of this World." The impression is twofold. Sloppy attitude to dates and statistics, the editor was not there. But, on the other hand, there is a lot of new, very interesting information that I do not know; written in the form of continuous dialogues, polemics, questions that I myself would ask. Of course, much is familiar, but the author's merit in building patterns through tendentious attraction of facts by the ears. I said "merit of the author?" But the writer is allowed everything! In any case, the historical events discussed a sufficient number of times have played with a multitude of new shades and meanings. Especially the Hegelian, aka Karl Marx, the law of unity and struggle of opposites)))
                      70. +1
                        3 August 2021 01: 08
                        This author would take a worthy place on the VO website, next to Samsonov and his superethnos.
                      71. +2
                        3 August 2021 07: 19
                        Until I read to the end, I cannot say what it is - a satire on someone or something, or a deep conviction. Or a desire to convince, or maybe just defamation.
                      72. +2
                        2 August 2021 21: 39
                        You know, my friend. I’ve just watched “A girl without an address” on Mosfilm. And I was simply delighted, my God, what wonderful people lived in our country. I understand, this is a movie, but! After all, childhood memories also take place be! Damn 91! It's all gone!
                      73. +1
                        3 August 2021 00: 18
                        Seryozha ... I remember not so much the film itself as the feeling of longing and boredom from watching it - it once seemed to me such an uninteresting tediousness! Forgive me, my friend, for the fact that our opinions did not agree love )))
                      74. +4
                        31 July 2021 13: 59
                        Why men's company is important.

                        “And feel there, far away from you
                        A huge difference between the sexes ”(c).
                      75. +4
                        31 July 2021 14: 47
                        I agree completely. Men definitely need a purely male company. What is the rule of the Tatars? The husband and wife came to visit, the wife came to the kitchen with the mistress of the house to help, and the men started a male conversation, they have their own affairs, some of their own male interests are being discussed. And only then they sit down at the table together. Russian women are unhappy)))
                      76. +3
                        31 July 2021 15: 39
                        Expedition, sports and more.
                      77. +3
                        31 July 2021 16: 02
                        Indeed, you can also ask at home. Like, why is the muzzle broken? Ah, on an expedition he climbed a rock, he was overwhelmed ... And why was he drunk? Favorite team lost ... And where did the lipstick on the cheek come from? But this is the other, dear! )))
                      78. +2
                        31 July 2021 17: 04
                        Bachili ochi, scho kupuvali.
                      79. +3
                        31 July 2021 17: 24
                        Well, if so, along the way to the topic:

                        In ancient Greece, girls were married off even before puberty, when they were young and clean. Not having time to say goodbye to children's toys, girls under the age of 12 were forced to leave their father's house and become the wives of young men or men 12-15 years older than them.

                        People lived to be about 28-30 years old, at the age of 40 a person was already considered an old man. Few died a natural death: either disease took away human lives (medicine was at a very low level), or numerous wars. The faster the girl got married, the faster and more she could raise future warriors, the protection of which the state was counting on.

                        In ancient Greece, there were no prohibitions on sex or abortion. Each Greek could have as many children as a wife or wife + mistress could give birth to. On average, 10-12 children. However, due to the high mortality rate until childbearing age, only 1-2 children survived.
                      80. +3
                        31 July 2021 17: 27
                        Sometimes I think: how old were Nestor, Achilles, Odysseus, Priam at the beginning of the siege of Troy?
                      81. +5
                        31 July 2021 18: 01
                        Apparently, they were as old as it was necessary to make important decisions. And if, according to our concepts, they were too young for this, then it does not follow that they were too young for their historical time. The era was young and passionate. How else to understand that 10 thousand Athenians created art that survived millennia and became the basis of first Roman art, and then, by and large, the Renaissance.
                      82. +1
                        31 July 2021 21: 33
                        And how respectable was the age of Nestor and Priam?
                      83. +4
                        31 July 2021 17: 32
                        Between the upper floor and the lower floor. It's just a different way of looking at things!
                        wassat )))
                      84. +2
                        31 July 2021 21: 37
                        There can be a lot of things to fit in there.
                      85. 0
                        1 August 2021 18: 04
                        Good evening. I am also in favor of separate training, it is much more effective ... it will not fit, that's for sure, but you don't need a lot of money for it ... quite an asymmetric answer to the gamerope ...
                      86. 0
                        2 August 2021 21: 14
                        My dear friend! The boy is raised by the yard!
                2. +5
                  31 July 2021 17: 42
                  Lyudmila Yakovlevna, the survival rate of a group of individuals is determined by the number of females, not males. If 10 females and 1 male remain, then the group will recover, and if on the contrary, it will disappear. What kind of passionarity is there? Biology, however.
                  1. +4
                    31 July 2021 18: 14
                    I was referring to boys who die in preschool age. Everyone is told, they say, don't go there, it's dangerous. And everyone hears. But one still climbs and dies. He is a researcher. I've seen that.
                  2. 0
                    31 July 2021 18: 20
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    Lyudmila Yakovlevna, the survival rate of a group of individuals is determined by the number of females, not males. If 10 females and 1 male remain, then the group will recover, and if on the contrary, it will disappear. What kind of passionarity is there? Biology, however.

                    Seriously? The thought did not come to your bright mind that the children of 1 male and 10 females would all be brothers and sisters among themselves and that they would not be able to give any healthy offspring?
                    1. +2
                      31 July 2021 21: 39
                      Here is the question of the ratio of the number of sexes.
                      And the dynamics of the population size can fluctuate quite a lot.
                    2. +2
                      31 July 2021 23: 31
                      In this case, this example should not be taken literally, the numerical ratio is given for clarity. At a ratio of 40 to 140, inbreeding will be less pronounced.
                      Has your bright mind learned this?
                      1. -3
                        1 August 2021 01: 08
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        In this case, this example should not be taken literally, the numerical ratio is given for clarity. At a ratio of 40 to 140, inbreeding will be less pronounced.
                        Has your bright mind learned this?

                        In this case, the example is untenable, erroneous and should not be cited, since it does not reflect reality. Just like inventing another, 40/140, which is just as untenable. Nature tells us that for proper reproduction and obtaining healthy offspring in the case of Homo tea, a male to female ratio of about 1/1 is needed, which ratio has been maintained for hundreds of thousands of years.
                    3. Fat
                      +1
                      1 August 2021 09: 04
                      brothers and sisters, and that they will not be able to give any healthy offspring?

                      hi Adam lived for 930 years, Eve survived him for a year, or for 40 years. Methuselah trampled the ground for 969 years. Ahasuerus is generally eternal.
                      Summary: Modern homosapiens, with their pitiful 150-year-old record, are all victims of imbreeding laughing
    2. +2
      31 July 2021 09: 50
      That's why you are a depressant.
      1. +7
        31 July 2021 10: 33
        And I am a depressant for a completely different reason, and this reason is outside the question under consideration, it is much deeper and more serious. Believe me, a man in any aspect of him cannot be the cause of a woman's depression. This can only be in novels and movies, otherwise the plot cannot be built. In reality, this is only a rare exception.
        1. +2
          31 July 2021 15: 47
          Believe me, a man in any aspect of him cannot be the cause of a woman's depression.
          1. +2
            31 July 2021 17: 28
            "The Lonely Shepherd" by James Last is more effective than "pamagite"))
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    3. +10
      31 July 2021 09: 52
      And here I have to make my deepest apologies to my colleague SERGE antu - I wound up around the house and in a hurry confused the author of the commentary! It was a colleague North 2!
      Anyway --- good drinks wassat ))))
      1. +6
        31 July 2021 12: 48
        It was a colleague North 2!

        Colleague North 2, judging by his comment, clearly has psychological problems. and possibly of a physiological nature in terms of the female sex.
        1. +5
          31 July 2021 13: 03
          Oh, Victor Nikolaevich! ..
          In terms of severity, you have surpassed yourself wassat )))
          1. +5
            31 July 2021 13: 05
            Yes, there is no severity here. I just have a very wide experience of communicating with people of different races, nationalities, social groups. But the signs of having problems communicating with the opposite sex are the same everywhere.
            1. +3
              31 July 2021 16: 34
              It's hard for you men, isn't it? )))
              And how hard it is for us women!
              Once I happened to stumble upon the opinion of some expert, burdened with all sorts of titles, that men and women are not even different races, they are representatives of different human species and it is even surprising that they interbreed with each other.
              1. +1
                31 July 2021 23: 04
                It's hard for you men, isn't it? )))

                Why is it hard? It is interesting to us! And if it becomes hard, like the colleague above, judging by his screaming comment, then it's time to rip off the horseshoes.
    4. Fat
      +8
      31 July 2021 11: 15
      hi
      Chorus of maids of honor (Administrator's verses from "An Ordinary Miracle")
      sl. Yuri Mikhailova (Yuri Kim)
      muses. G. Gladkova
      Nightmare !, Shame !, Pub !, Bedlam!
      Yes, what is it really?
      Decent women, well-bred ladies
      Keep it literally in a black body?
      So that he dies, so damn it,
      Do not expect good from the parasite.
      Why the devil is my head,
      When is she not washed for three days?
      Where is the soap? Where is the washcloth? Where?
      Where is the cream, at least for shaving?
      Who saves on cleanliness
      He's either a thief or a pig!
      once again in chorus.
      laughing
      1. +3
        31 July 2021 11: 57
        I don’t think that in reality the ladies-in-waiting turned up their noses from the smelly gentlemen who were already pleasant with their titles. I suppose, in order to exclude the possibility of smell, at first, albeit weak, and then incrementally, elements of capitalism were needed - a foul-smelling office employee or its owner could scare off the client, and he went to a competitor.
        In the primitive communal system, one tribe could smell like a bear, another - a wolf, the third still some kind of beast. Depending on whose skins were worn in accordance with local possibilities and fashion. So, by the way, they were called.
        And then it was already required not only to smell good, but also to have a pleasant appearance. Hence the attention to sports, the revival of the Olympic Games and many competitions)))
        1. +3
          31 July 2021 13: 21
          Titles can get worn out on the road.
          1. +1
            31 July 2021 13: 44
            But it also happens that taken out of the old chest of Mr. Zakatov, the Secretary of the Imperial Russian House of the self-proclaimed Imperial family, these titles turn out to be extremely in demand, and then - you will not believe! - there is a queue behind them)))
            1. +3
              31 July 2021 14: 00
              I hate queues. Since childhood.
              Better to make a seven-mile hook.
              1. +2
                31 July 2021 14: 57
                Oh, I once got used to standing in line. If it were not for the chatter of conversations around, how well they would have thought!
                But now there is no shortage, there is a shortage of the queue.
                1. +2
                  31 July 2021 15: 40
                  Everyone is used to it. And think well on the go.
                  1. +3
                    31 July 2021 16: 29
                    And this is a matter of habit, but always trained. In the absence of composure and the presence of deep concentration on thought, you can bump into a lamppost. Yesterday I watched this video. The policeman chased the guy and swooped down. It was amazing, but understandable.
                    1. +2
                      31 July 2021 17: 10
                      On the first try, he was silent.
                      With the second I could not resist.

                      https://stihi.ru/2012/04/13/3656
                      1. +2
                        31 July 2021 17: 45
                        I'm walking. And letting go of my thoughts
                        Korsar4
                        I'm walking. And letting go of my thoughts.
                        Words are born in silence.
                        I feel different; maybe - I know something.
                        And with each step the head is lighter.


                        This is the deep truth.
                        The lines themselves crawl into the head, freed from thoughts, and fill the mind. Moreover, in the form in which they themselves need. It remains only to have time to write it down.
                      2. +1
                        31 July 2021 21: 29
                        Like the Chinese say: "If the cup is full, you cannot fill it."
                2. +2
                  31 July 2021 15: 50
                  On the beach for ice cream. I don't want to go far, but there are many people nearby
                  1. +2
                    31 July 2021 17: 12
                    If the sand is still hot at all, then this is some kind of entertainment.

                    In general, I do not like passive rookeries.
                    Whether it was: swam, walked around and let's go.
      2. +3
        31 July 2021 15: 46
        "An ordinary miracle" is a wonderful film. I would say: song of love
    5. +1
      31 July 2021 13: 50
      The constant influx of migrants, both colored and white, and these are mostly men, calmly solves the problem
      And don't immigrants go to Russia?
      1. +2
        31 July 2021 14: 02
        They are still going!
        1. +1
          31 July 2021 14: 07
          But problems are not solved wassat
          1. +3
            31 July 2021 14: 15
            Very rarely, due to the difference in mentality.
            1. +2
              31 July 2021 14: 29
              Western Europeans are also reluctant to use such a simple way to solve problems.
              1. +4
                31 July 2021 14: 33
                And this with such an influx of masculine males! Got drunk, not otherwise! laughing
                1. +1
                  31 July 2021 14: 55
                  Damn !!!! Antosh! I can't see them !!!! Already !!!!
                  1. +1
                    31 July 2021 15: 02
                    Move to the town of Polyarnye Zori, where even the janitors are Russian.
          2. +3
            31 July 2021 14: 21
            The Kyrgyz! To Moscow! Mnogaaa! This is me in their dialect! Oh, this is the legacy of the empire! bully
            1. +4
              31 July 2021 14: 30
              Oh, I knew I wouldn't have to call you! laughing
              1. +3
                31 July 2021 14: 51
                Well, yes. I’m pryping. For how I see their women / women / in turbans, they start to "shake" !!! What the hell did you come !!!!
                1. +2
                  31 July 2021 14: 55
                  Seryozha, can you do something about this?
                  1. +1
                    31 July 2021 17: 42
                    Yes! To hell with all of them! To the homeland of all !!!!
                    1. +1
                      31 July 2021 18: 32
                      Sergei! Just don't go outside! Nobody can get rid of accusations of extremism!
  14. +3
    31 July 2021 09: 44
    I will support you !!!!! Down with unnecessary tolerance !!!!
    1. +7
      31 July 2021 10: 35
      And what kind of "plant" do you suggest, dear colleague? wassat ))))
      1. +1
        31 July 2021 17: 44
        Ours! Russian! Russia for its peoples !!!! Everything !!! For? Got it !!!!!
      2. +2
        31 July 2021 19: 38
        Drink, smoke and decompose!))) laughing
      3. 0
        31 July 2021 20: 57
        But agree, eh? Everyone's in mind, no ??
  15. +5
    31 July 2021 11: 38
    Dear Vyacheslav Olegovich,
    the topic is very good
    Somehow, it became news to me, or I have already forgotten: something with my memory has become.
    Thanks anyway !!!
    hi
    1. +3
      31 July 2021 12: 27
      Edward, it's true! )))
      I had no idea that there were women's Olympics. And I could not imagine that women at that time were so pressed. My idea of ​​Ancient Greece was shaped like Thais of Athens.
      Vyacheslav Olegovich - many thanks and bow! love )))
      1. +2
        31 July 2021 12: 51
        My idea of ​​Ancient Greece was shaped like Thais of Athens.
        It's better than Mary Renault.
        1. +2
          31 July 2021 13: 05
          And who is Mach, may I ask? wassat )))
          1. +1
            31 July 2021 13: 08
            I didn't get the point ...
            1. +2
              31 July 2021 15: 04
              This is from the same opera as "Who is Mary Reno?"
              From the old vulgar:
              - Well, I gave a blunder!
              - And who is Mach?
              And it is a bobble! In general, we drove)))
              1. +1
                31 July 2021 15: 12
                Ah, that ...
                I never understood this joke, but I always heard it from women.
                Mary Renaud is an English writer, author of novels about Ancient Greece. The works are not bad, but due to the gender bias of the author, they have a somewhat "bluish" tint.
      2. +6
        31 July 2021 12: 52
        after the image of Thais of Athens.

        Thais of Athens is a heterosexual, a free woman, a "companion", leading a free, independent lifestyle.
        In Greek society, in fact, it is a separate social group that deserves an article.
        1. +1
          31 July 2021 13: 04
          Quote: Undecim
          heterosexual

          The only stratum of women who then enjoyed almost complete freedom
        2. +5
          31 July 2021 13: 13
          By the way, yes!
          Thais grabbed a torch hanging on the wall and called upon the drunk king to burn down the palace and thereby avenge the Persians for Athens that they burned 150 years ago. Alexander liked the idea, and the palace was burned, and then plundered and burned all of Persepolis. This is what the Tempting Serpent does! In this case, Green.
          1. +3
            31 July 2021 13: 22
            For some reason I did not finish reading this book by Efremov. Although the syllable is good. And he started several times.
            1. +5
              31 July 2021 14: 23
              And it happens that it has not gone. I have already said that I could not read Prachett. And she could not - Sorokin, or something. I started reading and felt sick at once, as if I had accidentally turned on Echo of Moscow.
              1. 0
                31 July 2021 14: 28
                Quote: depressant
                as if Ekho Moskvy had turned on inadvertently.

                And what didn't Echo please you?
                1. +1
                  31 July 2021 14: 58
                  Eck you, buddy! Well done!
                2. +6
                  31 July 2021 15: 16
                  How is it with what? Nasty voices! wassat
              2. +4
                31 July 2021 15: 00
                Lyudmila Yakovlevna, you really do not include the type! Echo of Moscow!
                We are liberals with you ???? In the normal sense? wink
                1. +3
                  31 July 2021 15: 17
                  Seryozha, I am not God, but I am above everyone! wassat )))
              3. +2
                31 July 2021 15: 32
                Yes, that's just it, that, for example, the conversation of a heterosexual with Stagirite is alive. And the pages are interesting further. And then he got stuck in the sand.

                "On the edge of the ecumene" and "Hour of the bull" were read. Although the second is a utopia. And they are not easy to read.
            2. +2
              31 July 2021 17: 56
              In vain. Read with a bang. In youth. By the way, a thought! Reread!
          2. +3
            31 July 2021 13: 24
            Alas, the testimonies of contemporaries have not survived, and all the ancient stories about the burning of Persepolis were written centuries after this event. I think that humanity will never know the true reasons, except that a time machine will appear.
            1. +3
              31 July 2021 16: 08
              Victor Nikolaevich! But what a legend! Perhaps they sobered up the next morning, were horrified. They pushed me onto Thais. Not themselves, but already the next generation or even diplomatic advisers. I've come across something like this in my life.
        3. +1
          31 July 2021 15: 38
          Actually, in our perception: getters, geisha are synonymous with fallen women
          1. +1
            31 July 2021 15: 56
            Actually, you are wrong, My Beautiful Stranger.
            1. 0
              31 July 2021 16: 34
              My poet, during school years there was a similar attitude
              1. +1
                31 July 2021 16: 37
                Youth is categorical in opinions and mistakes.
                1. +1
                  31 July 2021 17: 25
                  Alas, this is so. It was there and there will be
                  1. 0
                    31 July 2021 17: 33
                    Do you regret your youth?
                    1. +1
                      1 August 2021 12: 32
                      And what do you think?
          2. +5
            31 July 2021 17: 24
            Actually, in our perception: getters, geisha are synonymous with fallen women

            The definition of a woman as "fallen" depends on the social environment in which she finds herself.
            The most famous antique sculptural image of Aphrodite was sculpted by the great Praxitel from the hetera Phryne, his beloved and muse.

            Alas, the original died during the Byzantine Empire, only copies remained.
            Nicomedes I, king of Bithynia, offered the islanders to forgive a huge national debt in exchange for a sculpture, but they refused.
            And you say - a fallen woman.
            1. 0
              31 July 2021 17: 30
              So Nycomedes. He is a king and we are not kings
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            1. 0
              31 July 2021 17: 35
              Heterosexuals, ha, ha, ha !!!!! Fallen women. With some desire for what, yes, s! wink
              1. +3
                31 July 2021 17: 42
                Heterosexuals, ha, ha, ha !!!!! Fallen women. With some desire for what, yes, s!

                1. +1
                  31 July 2021 18: 18
                  Got it! Rock and Roll. Is this my level? Bingo!
            2. +1
              31 July 2021 17: 47
              Sergei! Do you want to think in an original way, thoughts !!! With this remark, you excluded yourself from the rank of Viktor Nikolayevich's interlocutors.
              1. +1
                31 July 2021 18: 12
                I doubt it. So far I see only a cartoon. Good. But ... I'll think about it.
                1. +1
                  31 July 2021 20: 42
                  Ay bingo, my dear friend!
                  Tsar Philip is in authority, in the sense of a cat.
  16. +5
    31 July 2021 13: 22
    I cannot resist and quote the well-known history of the Olympic Games in Ancient Greece.

    The king of Macedonia Philip arrived at the Olympic Games, but the inhabitants of the Peloponnese, despite the fact that they were at his mercy, booed him. The king's friends advised Philip to punish the inhabitants, but the king objected: "If they are in my favor and react in this way, imagine what they will do if I harm them?"
  17. +2
    31 July 2021 13: 49
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, colleagues, good afternoon.
    I am ashamed that I was "hooked" on Podymov and did not look nearby! Blind Chicken !!!
  18. 0
    31 July 2021 14: 42
    So I did not understand - did the Spartans wear anything on themselves during joint sports activities with the Spartans or not? laughing
  19. +1
    31 July 2021 15: 14
    "the thinker Socrates also noticed" - 'he makes fun of our gods. "But the" reward "of moralists was also cool


  20. +2
    31 July 2021 15: 34
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, did Gera suffer so much? I did not know such a myth
    1. +3
      31 July 2021 15: 54
      The entire period of marriage, that is, all life. But since hubby was the "king of the mountain," in the sense of Olympus, Hera could not finish him with a frying pan. For that she took revenge on his passions, very cruelly took revenge.
      1. +2
        31 July 2021 17: 14
        Some offspring after that even became outstanding heroes.
        1. +3
          31 July 2021 17: 31
          "Hero", in Greek mythology, is a renegade. He is not allowed on Olympus, but people do not accept him either. In Christian interpretation, it is a fallen angel.
          1. +1
            31 July 2021 21: 44
            And if you read Graves, you’ll recoil.
            By the way, for some reason, the exploits did not touch properly.

            I liked the hike for the apples of the Hesperides (oranges).
            1. +1
              1 August 2021 01: 39
              Read Graves
              Claire William Graves?
              1. +1
                1 August 2021 11: 22
                Robert Graves. Ancient Greece myths and more.
  21. +3
    31 July 2021 16: 00
    V.O., my thanks. Didn't know such games. How often were these games played?
  22. +2
    31 July 2021 20: 04
    By the way, an interesting detail on the question of why athletes competed naked at the Olympic Games in Ancient Greece.

    the popular fist fighter in Olympia was revealed to have been trained by his mother wearing men's clothing. Since then, athletes and coaches were required to appear at the competition completely naked - this excluded the possibility of deception.
  23. +2
    31 July 2021 20: 09
    And more interesting information about the Olympics.

    The last time the ancient Olympiad (293 in a row!) Was held in 394 AD, that is, already at the time when Greece was part of the Roman Empire. After that, they were banned as a pagan event by the Roman emperor Theodosius I (he was strongly influenced by the Christian clergy in this matter).
  24. +1
    31 July 2021 21: 32
    Vyacheslav Olegovich as an epigraph to the article quotes the following text from the comedy of Aristophanes "Lysistratus":

    What beauty you shine, my dear!
    Blush and body fat!
    Well, still not!
    It's not for nothing that I struggle, I jump and run!
    Aristophanes (c. 450 - c. 385 BC)

    In fact, in the address to the Spartan girl Lampito, after the first phrase, the line "Yes, you will strangle the bull!"

    The idea of ​​a Greek girl capable of strangling a bull might well be illustrated by the marble bark from the Acropolis of Athens. The statue was made in 540 BC. With a narrow waist, the shoulder girdle of the cortex has monstrously developed muscles, which would be the envy of any current weightlifter.
    When looking at the statue of the bark, it is easy to believe that the athlete could well have strangled the bull.
    At the same time, despite the rather gloomy description of the life of the "oppressed" Greek woman of that time, everywhere in Ancient Greece, and not only in Sparta, women went in for sports.
    In addition to the athletic cortex, this conclusion is confirmed by a black-figured amphora of the 6th century BC. from Attica. In the image of the goddess Athena, her hand with the bicep of a professional bodybuilder is clearly visible. It can be assumed that the prototype of the image on ceramics was the temple statue of Athena. And since in those days it was customary to sculpt statues from real life, it means there was a "nature" with such biceps.
    In general, many drawings with images of women athletes were found on ceramics of that time. However, closer to the beginning of a new era, and specifically in the 4th century, such images gradually disappear, which, perhaps, indicates a change in lifestyle, in which Greek women were no longer up to sports.
    1. +2
      1 August 2021 11: 05
      Sound commentary! Skipped on purpose ...
      1. +2
        1 August 2021 11: 15
        So I understood! )))
        After copying the text, we copy everything. But something can be removed. Hearing test type wassat
    2. +3
      1 August 2021 16: 40
      With a narrow waist, the shoulder girdle of the cortex has monstrously developed muscles, which would be the envy of any current weightlifter.


      How did you manage to see the muscles under the clothes? The bark is a symbolic image that has never had a real prototype. Perhaps the ancient Greek sculptor simply sculpted his ideal.
      1. +2
        1 August 2021 17: 52
        Viktor Nikolaevich, this is not that bark, there are many of them.
        Go to livejournal-com.turbopages. org, user maximus101.
        A snapshot of the same cortex with biceps is published there.
        Do you have to show distrust of me? I never make up anything. It seems that you definitely need to level me to the ground. Do not do this, I beg you, do not stand in a long queue of those who wish.
        1. +2
          1 August 2021 18: 28
          Lyudmila Yakovlevna - answered in a personal.
          1. +2
            1 August 2021 19: 10
            Victor Nikolaevich, let's go!
            It was a moment of weakness. They say that tomorrow begins a series of magical attacks from the Sun, and they are accompanied by irritability. We'll have to take ourselves under tight control)))
            And, you know ... I'm very sorry for Zyryanov. I'm a Russian person. Where I can, I substitute my shoulder. Well, imagine: an intellectual, physically weak, does not know how to saw, plan, lay tiles and, in addition, is sick. When I see this, it hurts me a lot. I will never push someone who is falling. I will support him.
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              1 August 2021 19: 57
              Where does the information about his weakness and illness come from? And what kind of disease?
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                1 August 2021 20: 11
                He himself said in one of the comments in the last article. Unhealthy person.
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                  1 August 2021 21: 08
                  Yes, indeed, I looked through his comments, there is such information. This, of course, changes things somewhat, but it does not cancel the quality claims. In the end, let him ask for help.
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    1 August 2021 13: 37
    Herayas - olympiads for women

    -O tempora! O mores! -Oh times! About morals!
    - Well, in any case, these "ancient Greek women" could not be compared with the pampered and also "ancient" Roman matrons ...
    - But on the other hand ... - today at the stadiums - "everything is mixed up in the Oblonskys' house" ...
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    1 August 2021 14: 00
    It can be assumed that the Olympic Games for women gradually lost their significance as Greece weakened, mired in internal and external wars, and with it Sparta, which in 147, having passed to the Roman side, turned into a simple village. But at one time it was the Spartans who set the fashion for a trained female body, which aroused hostility among the rest of the Greek women, who were not at all required to be muscular. Only those of them who had a natural craving for it went in for sports. A Greek woman with citizenship was supposed to spend her free time only admiring her jewelry, and slaves did everything in the house for them. The Spartans did not wear jewelry, did not use makeup and constantly kept fit, but not to do housework, but, if necessary, join the military formation with the men. Therefore, to someone's reproach about this, the wife of Tsar Leonidas replied: "But we give birth to husbands!"
    Spartan geniuses did not give birth.
    Perhaps that is why Sparta did not grow to an empire that would include at least all regions of Greece. After all, Greece was not a single state.

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