The decree on changes in the flags of the Russian Navy was signed by President Putin

It became known about the innovation carried out by Russian President Vladimir Putin in relation to the symbols of the Naval fleet Russia. On the eve of the Day of the Navy, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief signed a decree concerning the order and guards flags of the fleet.

So, the document contains information that instead of placing the order in the upper left corner of the cloth, now this placement will be carried out in the center of the flag. The center in this case is defined as a cross - the center of the St.Andrew's Cross.

The relative sizes of the flags are also regulated. The approved regulations are as follows: one to three as the ratio of the width to the length of the panel.

In addition, it is noted that the flags of the Russian Navy on ships should under no circumstances be lowered in front of the enemy, since they are the personification of the valor, glory and military traditions of the Russian fleet.

From the document:

If the banner is knocked down in battle, it is immediately replaced with another one.

The new presidential decree comes into legal force from the moment of its publication - that is, from today, July 23rd.

Let's remind that on the next Sunday, July 25, Russia celebrates the Day of the Navy. The holiday is fixed for the last Sunday of July.

Comments

[Region-25.rus]

I see. Changing the flag is the most important task and problem at the moment
Directly and directly related to the Fleet- Holiday greetings

[Thrifty]

And why is it not indicated in the middle of the flag on the right, or on the left side of the flag? All the problems of the fleet have been solved, there are plenty of ships, the last one was seen with the flag, and that was resolved ...

[GriggoT]

Do you care? Ah-ah-ah, everything is bad for you!

[BecmepH]

Quote: GriggoT

Do you care? Ah-ah-ah, everything is bad for you!

Tatyana, this is all money !!!! Which have nowhere to go ???

[dedusik]

Quote: Thrifty

And why is it not indicated in the middle of the flag on the right, or on the left side of the flag?

The center in this case is determined as a cross - the center of St. Andrew's cross.

[sniperino]

Quote: dedusik

Quote: Thrifty

And why is it not indicated in the middle of the flag on the right, or on the left side of the flag?

The center in this case is determined as a cross - the center of St. Andrew's cross.

There are people who are very thrifty: they save their time for throwing feces on the ventilator towards the authorities of the Russian Federation, so they read articles inattentively, looking only for an excuse. And if in the article about the actions of this government, this government is not scolded, then serious claims appear against the article itself and against its author. Time is money, as they say.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: sniperino

There are people who are very frugal:

My sincere wish: hammer it in, and then you will really save a lot of time, really, from the bottom of your heart. Any polemic with these organisms is by default unconstructive, because no argumentation works here, and facts are simply ignored or distorted beyond recognition. This is a local camarilla of permanently reflective infantile philistines, which, like a stack of empty barrels, roll out on almost every branch and make a "white noise". It goes without saying that their posts do not carry any semantic meaning, and together with a completely illiterate presentation, they create the impression that they are frolicking idiots who have wandered here from some tik-tok thread. But everything is much tougher, because the age category of local "activists" is 40-50, and this is already in the area of ​​responsibility of punitive psychiatry, "here, as they say, our powers are everything"(from).

[IS-80_RVGK2]

And how do you differ from the reflective infantile philistines? I read your comment and hoped that I finally met an extraordinary interesting person. I climbed to read the rest of the comments, and there is a standard petty-bourgeois grabbing rotten stuff. Maybe I looked in the wrong place?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

How are you different

"I am the same as you, I am even worse than you, but I say what I see ..."(with)

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

standard petty bourgeois uryayaya rotten.

At the request of readers, I promise to lay out a non-standard oligarchic
(or communist) omnipresent fresh

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

not looking there?

In all seven years? If so, then this is strong, although it is unlikely. But seriously, it turns out that more or less constructive discussions take place in a personal, for see the post above. If there is a desire for dialogue, then contact me - I will certainly answer.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Paranoid50

In all seven years?

I have not conducted such a serious study of your social and political activities on the portal.

Quote: Paranoid50

At the request of readers, I promise to lay out a non-standard oligarchic
(or communist) omnipresent fresh

Or maybe it’s better not? Maybe somehow more objectively? And then do you know for my life this hmmm ... content has already more than heard enough and read a lot.

Quote: Paranoid50

If there is a desire for dialogue, then contact me - I will certainly answer.

Why are dialogues needed? It's easier to destroy those who disagree.

[zenion]

If you looked at the flags of Nazi Germany, the Hackenkraitz looked different from each side of the banner. On the one hand, horns forward, on the other side, horns back. Shine through.

[BecmepH]

Quote: sniperino

Time is money, as they say.

Which have nowhere to go? Someone will fill his pockets on the replacement of flags. This is how problems are solved (they think so). We have more tasks in the fleet. All were solved successfully. And the flag is a dessert ((Only bitter from such a dessert ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Thrifty

And why is it not indicated in the middle of the flag on the right, or on the left side of the flag?

No need to engage in gag for the sake of throwing a pile of manure. It says “in the center,” so you invented some kind of “middle.” You work roughly, trolls.

[zenion]

A grandson comes to his grandmother and says - does grandmother finally have everything? Why so? Dad came home, put a bottle of vodka on the table. Mom said - we, only this was not enough. In general, it's all about the flags. Remember Schweik and the general from the sorters. The way he told the soldiers it meant so. In the evening, the soldiers receive dinner. They recover in the morning. The enemy army, seeing this in fear, flees throwing artillery and other weapons. As soon as the enemies see that the flags in a different way to a millimeter in fear leave the ships and sink into the sea.

[Yaro Polk]

smelly liberasnya ached, it turns me on already.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Yaro Polk

smelly liberasnya ached, it turns me on already.

Confusing the internet space with a podzaborny one?

[sleeve]

H-Yes.
"Three nuclear-powered aircraft carriers, ten nuclear-powered missile-carrying submarines, six cruisers and 48 frigates joined the Russian fleet."
"Why is the order on the flag not in the center? We have built ships, but forgot about the flag? The most important thing."
Somehow it will probably be so. Anyway.

[mole]

The main thing is the capabilities of the Navy have grown many times over.

[Captain45]

Quote: Thrifty

And why is it not indicated in the middle of the flag on the right, or on the left side of the flag?

Are you having problems with symmetry? The middle is in the middle, because it is the middle - the center, or in another way: the donkey cannot be proved that he is a donkey, because he is a donkey.

[Svarog]

Quote: Region-25.rus

I see. Changing the flag is the most important task and problem at the moment
Directly and directly related to the Fleet- Holiday greetings

They can only change names and monuments .. nothing more can .. dust in the eyes .. and noodles.

[The leader of the Redskins]

And you don't have to write articles about the need for AUG! All problems are solved)))

[Revival]

Nobody has ever called the "Ukrainian junta" a red bastard!
Here they will be happy how they read your comment, they are all decommunized, and you saw through them

[for]

Quote: Sasha Minakov

Well, in spite of the red bastard, they returned the Crimea to Russia. Already a plus.!

And jointly do business with Japan in the Kuril Islands.

[Stas157]

Quote: Sasha Minakov

Ну despite the red bastard they returned the Crimea to Russia!

Under the communists, our (Soviet) Crimea was also 14 republics. And the main limit of the potentate (at which the famous Swiss braked him) is 5% of one of the Soviet republics. This is exactly the same as the area of ​​Crimea from the area of ​​all Ukraine.

But, you worship zero and further, not forgetting to spread rot on the communists on what the light is! After all, they only made galoshes, but they planted mines for you.

[Akuzenka]

After all, they only made galoshes, but they planted mines for you.

You opened my eyes !!!! Just ask you, and where did the ships (with and without nuclear power plants) that are being sawed into metal now come from? Ancient advanced civilization transmitted?

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Sasha Minakov

Well, in spite of the red bastard, they returned Crimea to Russia

Crimea was returned, but Russia was not brought there, the Kremlin oligarchs pissed off

[Vasia]

They can only change names and monuments .. nothing more can .. dust in the eyes .. and noodles.

This is you, in the Pans in high esteem, gee

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Svarog

They can only change names and monuments .. nothing more can .. dust in the eyes .. and noodles.

There is no need to exaggerate. Still capable. And they are not being replaced by a young tribe of communists. The left in our country has so far demonstrated a complete inability to take any serious action. The whole left movement basically boils down to zadonata blogging, cozy club get-together and actionism of freaks like Platoshkin.

[Captain45]

Quote: Svarog

They can only change names and monuments .. nothing more can .. dust in the eyes .. and noodles.

How well you spoke about all your comments It's nice to see a person capable of such harsh self-criticism. Keep up the good work and luck will smile at you in all 32 teeth.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Region-25.rus

I see. Changing the flag is the most important task and problem at the moment
Directly and directly related to the Fleet- Holiday greetings

They can only change names and monuments .. nothing more can .. dust in the eyes .. and noodles.

In, they will pass! It is clear that the elections are on the way

[Tank jacket]

Quote: Region-25.rus

I see. Changing the flag is the most important task and problem at the moment
Directly and directly related to the Fleet- Holiday greetings

Which flag is very important.
Then change the state tricolor to the original, Russian Red Flag.
Here the Yeltsin anthem was changed back, now it's time to return the red flag of the USSR.

[polar fox]

Quote: Tank jacket

now it's time to return the red flag of the USSR.

from the red flag, zero is unappropriate ...

[Tank jacket]

Quote: polar fox

Quote: Tank jacket

now it's time to return the red flag of the USSR.

from the red flag, zero is unappropriate ...

And the anthem of the USSR is not the main thing ...

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Region-25.rus

I see. Changing the flag is the most important task and problem at the moment
Directly and directly related to the Fleet- Holiday greetings

You shouldn't be ironic.
There are tasks for the armament of the fleet and there are for its use. Both tasks are important and can be solved in parallel, if now we have paid attention to this issue does not mean that it took resources away from the solution of the other.

As they say, it is not the gun that kills, but the person who shoots from it. And for a person it is important that there is a clear understanding of what he is doing and why.

The flag issue, it seems to me, is much deeper than it seems ...

For example, the fact that on the surface, the pressing of the flag is used to greet the ships.
The situation in some strait, our warship greets a foreign civilian ship, a NATO warship is also sailing nearby, whether to give a return greeting to a civilian ship if it cannot be designated for whom it is intended. Previously the answer was yes, now no. As far as I understand.

An interesting question about the term "before the enemy" in terms of holding the flag down.
I suppose that this also applies to peacetime, respectively, since there is such a term, then the high command of the Navy should clearly communicate without any ambiguity or understatement who the enemy is, namely not the "partner", "probable enemy", "unfriendly fleet" and etc.

Recently, a British warship violated the border near Crimea. The captain of our ship acted, as it seems to me, in a fork to open a warning fire and so that it could not be perceived with a squeal that they created a threat to lives and inflated a scandal. Therefore, it turned out that the same would have opened warning fire, but the British like Toli did not notice, Toli pretended not to notice, Toli took it as part of the exercises that took place in the area, in short, it turned out very incomprehensible.

Such provocations will occur again and should be suppressed more sharply.
I am not a supporter that would immediately drown the violator. But how can I imagine if a similar violation occurs again. Then the actions will be as follows, they will not conduct long negotiations on the radio, if they only start in advance when approaching the border, they will say once that if they do not change course, then warning fire will be opened, and then fire will be opened, and not so that there was no roofing felts type , and that it would be impossible to say that they did not notice. As far as I understand, this moment has now been worked out, for example, a nurse can be applied across the course of the intruder from a ship, helicopter or plane. This is a controlled action, i.e. can be done safely enough, but very clearly, it is impossible to pretend that they did not notice.
After a visual warning, you can heat, but that's another question.

If the captain of a border, warship will have a determination in advance of what to perceive NATO ships as hostile, then it will allow him to act more decisively without regard to the international situation, etc.

And it will be determined who the enemy will have to be clear and understandable, because the meeting with NATO ships happens often, respectively, this question about what to do with the flag will have to be decided regularly, if some "nuances" remain, then questions from officers to command will immediately follow the explanation and not when force majeure occurs in the form of a border violation.

Well, at the highest level, we will continue to call them "partners" or whatever else, in big politics we have our own rules, the main thing is that it does not overlap with the rules that operate in the army.

It seems to me that the provisions that are in this decree will lead to the fact that the definitions and rules that operate at the level of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and in the Army will be more independent and the foreign ministries will have less influence on decision-making by commanders.

[svp67]

So I understand that at this naval parade there will be a premiere of new battle flags ...

[Volga073]

Whoever wants what he will see it

[Region-25.rus]

So I understand that at this naval parade there will be a premiere of new battle flags ...

I would prefer new ships. For the last 4 years I don’t go at all (in St. Petersburg) One new, the rest old ((

[svp67]

Quote: Region-25.rus

I would prefer new ships.

Great desire

[Ruslan Sulima]

I was always amazed by the opponents of the Russian Orthodox Church, posting screenshots of 2012 on the network ...
I don't wish you good luck, the Rats are not yours, the Donbass is not yours, you have transit problems.

[Region-25.rus]

Has anything changed since 2012? And "Isakia" ROC wrestled in Leningrad. Although the same ROC in its time did not put a "spear" into it. And what are the price tags in the course? Well take an interest

[Ruslan Sulima]

Well, tell me, I am aware of what is there for covid prices ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Region-25.rus

And "Isakia" ROC wrestled in Leningrad. Although the same ROC in its time did not put a "spear" into it.

in our region (Kaliningrad), the ROC has seized almost all the buildings of the old churches and now they are stupidly crumbling and they do not care

[Ruslan Sulima]

Well, here, in the 5th hospital in Makeyevka, you won't kick yet, figs who will fly. For three days thirty, when hearing that we have everything for free. Damn, my wife pulled me off the battlefield, they talked neatly, it’s not my hut that’s starting ...
Well, I don’t pinch your grandmother, I ask you to save your mother! .. I wonder if the Donetsk people have such problems, or is it just me that gets rolled?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Ruslan Sulima

The rats are not yours

definitely not mine, rat hounding

Quote: Ruslan Sulima

I was always amazed by the opponents of the Russian Orthodox Church, posting screenshots of 2012 on the network ...

you will be surprised, but I am really an opponent of the Russian Orthodox Church, but if the Orthodox Church is revived, I will be glad, because this is Faith
and 12 years old screen, or 15, or maybe 2000 when I paid for my grandmother's funeral service, it doesn't matter, FACT IS IMPORTANT
can you refute this FACT ?!

Quote: Ruslan Sulima

Donbass is not yours, you have transit problems.

you will be surprised, but he really is not ours, we did not recognize him

[Region-25.rus]

for a long time (since the 90s), I call all these "temples" in cities exclusively business centers

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

soon the application will appear on smartphones, and the funeral service will be via remote

[for]

There are already a bunch of applications and a messenger.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

soon the application will appear on smartphones, and the funeral service will be via remote

so the priests have been online for a long time.
Online church for a long time.
"Opium for the People" (O. Bender) is sold at all sites.

[Titus_2]

Something price lists differ .... like a network. One.

[Captain45]

Quote: Titus_2

Something price lists differ .... like a network. One.

Well, in the regions, each governor issues his own decree on covid, where cafes work after 22 pm, and where not. So here too, each diocese has its own order and in general - they do not go to a strange monastery with their own charter, when it was still said

[Tarasios]

and without paying taxes, as far as I know

[for]

Quote: demo

turned into a shop for making dough.

She was her, but now it is more brazen and open

[Stas157]

Quote: demo

Patriarch rides in luxurious limousines, wears watches for millions, is cut off from the flock by the guard of the FSO, an estate with vineyards next to the modest "hotel" of Rotenberg!

I don't know as a patriarch, but the tsar is to blame for exactly the same thing. Are they brothers? If not by blood, then by spirit - for sure. The locks are exactly the same. One is on handouts of stupid parishioners, and the other is on taxes of poor citizens.

[V means B]

Yes, yes, it's better not to go to church without money. I remember even when I was at school, we had something like a local history excursion, including a visit to one church (where the local saint was listed). Before that, they said that the church lives on donations and if you have no money, then it's okay, and then I saw, so to speak, fixed prices like those indicated and fell into a slight cognitive dissonance, about living on donations.))) I also remember, and these were the 90s, the local chief priest from this church had a solid rather big two-story house made of red brick and a foreign car.

[Captain45]

Quote: V is for B

I remember even when I was at school, we had something like a local history excursion, including a visit to one church (where the local saint was listed). Before that, they said that the church lives on donations and if you have no money, then it's okay, and then I saw, so to speak, fixed prices like those indicated and fell into a slight cognitive dissonance, about living on donations.)))

Ha, in the 90s, I studied in the early 80s at a financial technical school and I remember when I was studying income, the teacher gave an example that struck us: in 1982, our city church paid a tax in the amount of 112 thousand rubles only with the candle trade, and you say faith, temple, selflessness. The last disinterested one was Christ, whom no one saw, as well as a real communist, who, at least in the movies, was seen performed by Yevgeny Urbantsev.

[V means B]

Then they paid the tax, but now, if I remember correctly, the church is exempt from taxes.

[Alex Justice]

The church, in my understanding, has turned into a shop for earning dough.

She's always been that way. Business as usual. Church to you the promise of paradise in exchange for your money. No risk.

[Svarog]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: Tarasios

And the demand for the church is only growing.

it's a pity that the church, not Vera

Precisely noticed!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

there is a very accurate expression, the Church should be made of ribs, and not of logs
pisses me off how everyone immediately became "believers" no matter Orthodox, Muslims or anyone else, forgive me, they did not know in which direction to be baptized, but here all the rituals are observed, it does not happen like this
Vera (with a capital letter) is very intimate, sincere, not for show

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

pisses me off how everyone immediately became "believers" no matter the Orthodox,

And remember how Mother Russia was baptized
In 988, Prince-Father Vladimir Krasno-Sun Svyatoslavovich said to be baptized -
All Russia was baptized ...
And in 1917 V. Lenin said to be "atheists" ...
God is not in the logs, but in the ribs.

[Gardamir]

In 988, Prince-Father Vladimir Krasno-Sun Svyatoslavovich said to be baptized -
All Russia and was baptized

They baptized with fire and sword. And why do you call him Vladimir. if in baptism he is Vasily?

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Gardamir

... And why do you call him Vladimir. if in baptism he is Vasily?

As they taught at school - so I call.

[Region-25.rus]

And why do you call him Vladimir. if in baptism he is Vasily?

"You don't understand! It's different!"

[9lvariag]

Yeah type Voldemar Second Rurik. If we take into account the attitude of Harald Bluefin, kings, jarls and bans to the Gentiles, then he is the same Basil. as I am a Uyghur Shintoshkin from Semirechye.

[Cat]

In 988, Prince-Father Vladimir Krasno-Sun Svyatoslavovich said to be baptized -
All Russia was baptized ...

This, to put it mildly, is not entirely true. The cities were baptized relatively quickly - for the squad, boyars, etc., in the villages and villages it was slightly not so simple
And yes, baptism dramatically increased the chance of getting into Valhalla, the Normans respected other people's gods.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Gato

... The cities were baptized relatively quickly - for the squad, boyars, etc., in the villages and villages it was slightly not so simple
.

Village - the village in which it stands церковь
When Prince and boyars baptized -
The rest of the people did not send the Prince and the boyars to Jerusalem, but quietly accepted baptism for several years.
There were riots against baptism, but these riots were not massive and were quickly suppressed.
Resistance to baptism was in Novgorod in 991
In Suzdal in 1024, the uprising, in 1091, the uprising died out at the very beginning.
In 1071, an attempt at an uprising in Novgorod - after the public murder of the sorcerer, the uprising resolved without bloodshed.

[Cat]

quietly accepted baptism for several years

Do you seriously believe this? People who have worshiped the ancient gods for centuries suddenly took and calmly changed their faith for several years? I do not argue, perhaps outwardly and accepted, for to receive a blessing with a spear on the forehead from a prince's vigilante or tiun - so grace will immediately descend. But internally - no, this is impossible. I will refer to historians (the same K. Zhukov) who argue that pre-Christian beliefs could not be eradicated until the XNUMXth century - and that is not a fact.
And yes, "A village is a village in which there is a church" is a much later classification. We do not even know exactly how our ancestors called their places of residence - all these "graveyards, settlements and villages" are from later chronicles and manuscripts (which did not reach us in the originals).

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Gato

pre-Christian beliefs could not be eradicated until the XNUMXth century - and that is not a fact.

they have not yet been eradicated, 90% of Orthodox holidays have pagan roots, we still have a cat in a new home

[Niko]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: Tarasios

And the demand for the church is only growing.

it's a pity that the church, not Vera

They are now imprisoned for faith ...

[Svarog]

Quote: Tarasios

And the demand for the church is only growing. This, by the way, applies to any other religion.

People do not already know who to turn to for help .. they think that God will help .. and no one will help themselves except for themselves ..

[alystan]

So this "evil" (sorcerers, hereditary witches, shamans ...) wants to get their part of the pie, but no one is going to share with them (there are several main religions, as it were generally recognized (an agreement between themselves), with their branches and with whom they are, like, an irreconcilable struggle / enmity (among Catholics, among Orthodox Christians, among Muslims, etc.).
But all of them are very skillfully and firmly controlled and directed. For now, at least.

[Alex Justice]

Different names, one gang.

[Bogalex]

It's not demand, it's just fashion.

[White man]

Let me disagree. According to modern marketing in the consumer society, demand must be brought up, instilled, so to speak, from the cradle. And no matter what it concerns: goods, ideology, religion. However, I will not argue about the modernity of this thesis.

[yehat2]

to be honest, there is an overkill with these churches - they are stuck everywhere in St. Petersburg - wherever possible and where not. Here we were supposed to build a park, but instead, the Cossack temple is gradually expanding there without any approval - every year the fence is moved several meters.

[Alex Justice]

It was 10 times more. The communists destroyed many churches.

[yehat2]

Quote: Alex Justice

It was 10 times more. The communists destroyed many churches.

you know, I'm already very tired of reading and listening to tales from the 90s, which people like you are constantly trying to express. Study the question, because there is a difference between those who destroyed and the communists, and do not stupidly broadcast someone else's nonsense. When nonsense is flogged, it screeches loudly and does not need your accompaniment - everyone already hears it.

[alystan]

And I think that this demand is artificially created and inflated. The ROC has full carte blanche for any steps and is fully supported at the very top, so why not demonstrate the allegedly full workload of existing churches and have a full basis for the construction of new ones. Recently, I have not come across information on the number of newly erected similar objects, but five years ago they wrote and talked about it a lot. And I came across comparative data on the commissioning of new schools and the construction of churches, and the numbers spoke for themselves, the schools were losing on all counts. Well, probably in favor of the church, or rather, the fact that churches are "literally bursting" from visitors, the policy of the state can play, which is not pushed out for show, but everywhere and in all news stories a church will surely flash, the first person of the state will be shown, diving into an ice-hole in a religious holiday, following him in a crowd to the church altar and much more. And this, after all, settles not only in the minds of citizens (children too, by the way), but also among those working, especially in government structures, both national and regional. At this point, people become uncomfortable working next to colleagues who, no, no, let them talk about the whole family going to church, displaying their wearable crosses (which, as it were, are not for an outsider's eye), and so on. Now the church has reached the schools, where they are going to introduce lessons in spiritual literacy. Higher education even has theology departments (in Baumank, for example). And how can a simple unbeliever live after such total pressure (work or study)? At the very least, you will be considered a "black sheep" and which in the end will be "pecked to death." Although, I think, there are among those who go to church (when necessary) and wear a cross (more often in plain sight), and even sign themselves with the sign of the cross (and so that it can be seen) there are many who have adapted to the "demand of the times" ... After all, there were Komsomol and party leaders and leaders who overnight turned into liberals, democrats, and just thief-embezzlers, So should they get used to what they excelled at best of all. And now they are at the very top (in power) and in full view of everyone (the intelligentsia). So while the government is doing everything to make this demand grow, and, unfortunately, we only remain silent observers of how great it is for “them” it turns out...
Changing the shape / type / size of individual naval flags is an element of this game, which is not fully shown to us, except for certain moments (read above), but which makes serious changes in the life of an entire society. Which is very sad, of course!
Happy holidays, brothers! Hurray, hurray, hurray! From the representative of CTOF!

[Captain45]

Quote: Tarasios

And the demand for the church is only growing. This, by the way, applies to any other religion.

Nature does not tolerate emptiness, the absence of a intelligible state ideology and gives rise to the search for the spiritual basis of being, remember: basis + superstructure = new historical community, well, this is so somewhat exaggerated, but in meaning.

[URAL72]

Temples are also needed, otherwise mosques are being built faster. And I think the issue with the flag was raised by the fleet itself, because Volodya really has enough other concerns.

[Magog_]

What is the fundamental difference between a mosque and a temple? In addition, the symbolism is Christian everywhere. And the St. Andrew's flag is also dedicated to Christ. And in the event of the return of Soviet symbols, this flag of the Navy should be retained, tk. The Savior, according to G.A. Zyuganov, was the first communist on Earth ... And you can't argue with that ...

[URAL72]

What is the fundamental difference between a mosque and a temple? Also, symbolism is everywhere

The fact that Russia was baptized into the Orthodox faith. Today most of the migrants are from Central Asia. There are no Christian radicals, there are Islamic ones. Today, the hotbed of terrorism is the Islamic countries. The birth rate of the Slavs is at zero, we are at risk of becoming an Islamic country. Personally, I am against it.

[Magog_]

The hotbeds of terrorism are the Anglo-Saxon Jews. We have been living with the "Islamic world" in Russia since the 16th century on the same land. Russian Tatarstan, Crimean Tatars, etc., where do you want to go? Islam is a branch of Christianity, and we need to explain this at the state level! Here is a recipe for overcoming hostility and misunderstanding within our country ... Or will we stupidly follow the path of self-destruction?

[URAL72]

Yes, do not go anywhere. Just filter out Islamic immigration and see who and what is preaching in the mosque. More often, Tajiks and others will sculpt deportation, for any flight, then there will be no fights of 200 Asian migrants with shooting and stabbing.

[Svarog]

Quote: URAL72

The birth rate of the Slavs is at zero, we run the risk of becoming an Islamic country. Personally, I am against it.

You have schizophrenia .. not otherwise .. how can you support Putin and be against an Islamic country? That year minus 500 tons of Russians, this year there will be more than a million ..

[carstorm 11]

Not Russians, but Russians. It's not just Russians that are dying.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

It's not just Russians that are dying.

Yes, but the birth rate of newly minted Russians is several times higher. Did not know?
I am not against the distribution of Russian citizenship to citizens of the former Soviet republics, but ideally it should be distributed with the accession of this republic to the Russian Federation.

[carstorm 11]

Yes, as if those who have long lived not all have a Russian nationality. What do the new arrivals have to do with it?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

What do the newcomers have to do with it?

Study the statistics of the distribution of Russian passports in recent years.
And you should know that for a long time living in Russia, the birth rate +/- is the same as that of Russians.

[carstorm 11]

What for? In general, I spoke with you about something else. That not all those who died that year were Russian by nationality. I have no idea where you took you.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

I generally talked about something else with you

So I didn't argue with that. Not only Russians are dying, but the birth rate among non-Russians is higher, especially among newcomers. And at such a pace, the population of Russia will be less and less like the states forming the nationality.

[carstorm 11]

Everything depends on us. I have a trio. The sister has two. And young people just do not really want children. I know a bunch of them. Children do not fit into their plans and that's it. Even in Scandinavia, things went downhill. Although they have always been leaders. Something has changed in the modern white man ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

Everything depends on us

No. As I said, a lot depends on the social policy of the state. From culture, from the mentality of the nation. Which is now being heavily changed with the help of the mass media.
There is a thesis - "Trust me to bring up your children for 5 years, and in 5 years they will no longer be your children."
This is a set of state measures to reduce the birth rate, with the declared slogans for raising the birth rate.
PS You say that you have three (I have 5).
Then why do you betray the future of your children, drowning for this fascist power? After all, every year the essence of power is more visible.

[carstorm 11]

But you also want to remake them according to your beliefs) there are zero differences. Just different approaches. Call the government a fascist while for some reason consider yourself right) everything will be fine with my girls. That's why I'm trying. Good education as a consequence of perspective. This is my job. Not states.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

at the same time, for some reason, you consider yourself right

I am for a holistic understanding. Both the right and the left have sound thoughts. I call the state a fascist state because it uses the methods of the fascists to achieve its goals.

Quote: carstorm 11

my girls will be fine. For this I try

Blessed is he who believes. In the country for which you are drowning, your girls (and grandchildren) have little chance of a happy life. If you, of course, identify them with the bulk of the people.

[carstorm 11]

Enough, well? ) What does it mean to identify?) What does the bulk of the people mean?) They have enough chances if they study and know what you want from life. And move towards your goal. And the possibilities are dark. Even in the midst of the crisis, people are now finding good jobs, taking out mortgages. Build your life.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

Even in the midst of the crisis, people are now finding good jobs, taking out mortgages. Build your life.

Don't tell the people on the street just that, okay? Mortgages are taken, only less than in previous years. But the number of microloans increased. Does this mean something to you?

[carstorm 11]

In 2020, despite the pandemic and restrictive measures, the mortgage market set a new record: credit institutions issued 1,7 million mortgage loans totaling 4,3 trillion rubles, which exceeds the indicators of 2019 by 35% in terms of quantity and by 51%. in monetary terms.
Try to look for information in specialized publications and not from bloggers) There is no final total for 21 years yet, but judging by the fact that I recently drove three new residential complexes and in each there were at most more than 13 square meters left for sale when ready, less than 80 percent of kaa were bought continue)

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

which exceeds the indicators of 2019 by 35% in quantitative and by 51% in monetary terms.

Try to link the rise in property prices to these numbers. And I advise you to operate with fresh numbers. 21 years old. The mortgage has dipped compared to the 20th.

[carstorm 11]

So you read carefully) but only in monetary but also in quantitative growth. And this is with the growth of these same prices), the reduced rate gave its result. I don't like quarterly numbers. One block can easily fly in any direction according to the dynamics. Therefore, I look forward to the annual. People continue to live. And planning for the future as you can see. 1,7 million mortgages is a huge amount. Lots of new housing. Well, of course the secondary housing. And usually a family is several people, not just one.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: URAL72

No Christian radicals

sure?

[Region-25.rus]

what .. soulful, kind faces. Already takes a dumbfounded. Goodness and compassion so shine from their faces. And yes ... we have seen similar ones. When they wanted to build another business center on the site of the park. "Forty forties" is called.

[Azis]

Sure. These are not radicals, but "for the sake of feces." And they do not conduct any godly deed.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Azis

Sure. These are not radicals, but "for the sake of feces." And they do not conduct any godly deed.

so these do not lead

tell me how they differ

[cat Rusich]

Quote: URAL72

we risk becoming an Islamic country. Personally, I am against it.

In 988, the authorities of the state of Russia chose which Faith to accept (the choice was Christianity, Islam, Judaism).
We (Russia) today run the risk of becoming not an "Islamic country", but the risk of becoming a country without Russians.
We need to preserve and increase with all our might state-forming people - Russians.
Without a Russian basis, the Russian state will fall apart into national states.
Maybe for a start we will raise the prestige and salaries of workers, so that it would be shameful to go to "officials" ...
(I propose to appoint officials - only retired workers ... there will be a serious incentive to live long after retirement)

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: cat Rusich

It is necessary by all means to preserve and increase the state-forming people - the Russians.

What is the government doing for this?

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: cat Rusich

It is necessary by all means to preserve and increase the state-forming people - the Russians.

What is the government doing for this?

I will say a banal thing
The people reproduce themselves ...
Here in Tajikistan, the authorities do nothing, they only take bribes, the Tajik people multiply (no offense towards the Tajiks).

[Ingvar 72]

You are really naive if you think that people multiply regardless of the form of government, ideology, and measures of social support.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Ingvar 72

You are really naive if you think that people multiply regardless of the form of government, ideology, and measures of social support.

Then explain why the Russian people multiplied in the Russian Empire ...
After all, there were no social support measures
The state system was a monarchy (maybe that's the case)
There was no ideology (there was a religion, which was quickly abandoned in 1917)

[alystan]

Let me stick into your conversation and answer either jokingly or to a point: "Because there was no electricity yet and it was terribly dark in the huts at night."

[cat Rusich]

Quote: alystan

Let me stick into your conversation and answer either as a joke or to a point:

I know this version ...
In the villages and villages, a married couple had many children for one of the reasons that there was not enough labor. As they got older, the children began to help with the housework, the boys started working quite early with their father and even instead of him. The girls helped their mother with the household chores.
In old age, with many children, there was someone to help with the onset of disability.

[Svarog]

Quote: Magog_

in the event of the return of Soviet symbols, this flag of the Navy should be retained

I liked your comment .. I got the feeling that the issue is being resolved

[Svarog]

Quote: Magog_

In September, everyone will vote! We will decide there.

Elections no longer decide anything .. or do you think that everything that happens to people now is the choice of the people? No .. the people do not choose anything from us .. I have to work in a taxi, I have been twisting the wheel for three weeks already .. I have heard enough about the love of the people for the authorities .... perhaps the people love Putin, as well as Yeltsin ... and some even stronger. How much I "love" this government, but even I am tired .. through one thing about politics .. and with such "love" against this background it will be very funny to see the election results .. or rather not funny, but sad.

[Magog_]

No .. people do not choose anything from us ..

Because he does not go to elections ... And the current government contributes to this! The fewer people there are at the polling stations, the easier it is to make a choice for them. This is the kind of "arithmetic" ...

[Svarog]

Quote: Magog_

No .. people do not choose anything from us ..

Because he does not go to elections ... And the current government contributes to this! The fewer people there are at the polling stations, the easier it is to make a choice for them. This is the kind of "arithmetic" ...

Our naive people .. Just imagine, for a second .. the majority voted for the Communists .. presented? And what do you think Vlodin, Putin .. and other reformers and oligarchs .. will say, well .. this is the will of the people, let's go give everything illegally acquired .. let's arrange a mass self-immolation .. Do you really think so? Or are you under the democratic charm?

[Magog_]

Even the bandits first arrange the "shooters", and then they will self-destruct, if they do not agree! Falsification of mass elections is suicide for any government! "Putin's vertical" understands this well. There is another danger: the new choice of the people will face sabotage, provocations and the manifestation of the same signs of state. capitalism in the ranks of the victorious "parties from the people." Then the disappointment and the sad end of the state ...

[Svarog]

Quote: Magog_

Falsification of mass elections is suicide for any government!

Hmm .. for our government is the only chance to keep the power ..

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Magog_

Because he does not go to the polls ...

Rather, because they do not want to go as observers, etc.

[Titus_2]

You no longer work in medicine if you got behind the wheel? I have not met your comments for a long time and recently remembered some people whose statements I am very impressed with and yours as well.

[Region-25.rus]

Seriously? Do you still believe in any kind of elections there? choose between "toad and viper" and "enema and a sandwich with ...." (c) "South Park"

[Magog_]

When we stop believing in the elections, we will start a hot civil war ... The prospect is not a joyful one!

[Region-25.rus]

On matters of faith - to the church

their blessing is now like mushrooms after rain

[Region-25.rus]

Or the fact that Prilepin and his comrades were introduced there, will it change something? When it comes to such electors that - no one who would really threaten their authorities either to the elections or in general will not be allowed anywhere !!

[Alex Justice]

What is the fundamental difference between a mosque and a temple?

Nothing. Room for collecting money and brainwashing.

[Svarog]

Quote: URAL72

Temples are also needed, otherwise mosques are being built faster. And I think the issue with the flag was raised by the fleet itself, because Volodya really has enough other concerns.

Of course ... the fleet has this primary task ... to change the flag ..

[URAL72]

And the fleet cannot solve several tasks at the same time? Or is it such expenses that they decided to cancel the construction of all Boreys? They want - let them do it. BUT!!! Putin signed! To count it! Glory to the Anal! Did I understand you correctly?

[Svarog]

Quote: URAL72

Did I understand you correctly?

No it's over

And the fleet cannot simultaneously solve several tasks?

And what is the task that Putin has solved with the change of the flag?
And what does Navalny have to do with it?

[URAL72]

Exactly the same as Putin. They give him hundreds of such papers for signature a day, seven days a week. Signed and okay, this ONLY applies to the Fleet! Have you served or are serving in the Navy? No? So why are you bothering, who needs your opinion? This is a private matter of the fleet and it is not for us to point out or condemn them.

[Svarog]

Quote: URAL72

Exactly the same as Putin. Hundreds of such papers are given to him for signature every day, seven days a week. Signed and okay,

That's how it is with us .. signed and okay .. signed an increase in the retirement age ... and okay .. this is how Gref argues .. and you

So why are you bothering, who needs your opinion? This is a private matter of the fleet and it is not for us to point out or condemn them.

Some kind of servility .. not for you of course .. I think you are now looking at Putin's portrait and saluting .. without a headdress

[URAL72]

Compare what Yeltsin did and what Putin did. You yourself must take off your hat and bow before his portrait. And I am ready to salute him, if it were not for him and the Russian contract soldiers, volunteers, I would have been buried in Donbass in 2014. And yes, I’m not a pensioner, I’m also not getting a raise. But you want it like in Europe - you will get it.

[Svarog]

Quote: URAL72

Compare what Yeltsin did and what Putin did.

Compare oil prices ...

And I am ready to salute him, if it were not for him and the Russian contract soldiers, volunteers, I would have been buried in Donbass in 2014. And yes, I’m not a pensioner, I’m also not getting a raise. But if you want it like in Europe, you will get it.

Everything is mixed up. Horses .. people .. I don't care about Europe and the United States .. I want it like in the USSR. Russia will die out without socialism ... and now there is such a stage when Stalin is needed ... to shoot all these ......... who skillfully manipulate the masses and hang tons of noodles, to people who are not capable of analysis and are not want to see nothing around ..

[URAL72]

You have forgotten about kind anonymous people. Who knows, maybe you, the most honest person, will go to cut the forest. No, Putin is better. I personally can now fart in the office with a portrait of Putin, and then with a portrait of Stalin ...

[Svarog]

Quote: URAL72

You forgot about kind anonymous people

They are still active .. and no less than then .. people do not change ..

Who knows, maybe you, the most honest person, will go to cut the forest.

You know ... if I knew that the same greatness awaits the Motherland ... and people have equal rights and a relatively carefree life ... it would comfort me ..

I personally can now fart in the office with a portrait of Putin, and then with a portrait of Stalin ...

You should do history .. Democrats hammered into their heads about the "terrible" Stalin .. You know .. about "Grozny" the same myths .. the West spread through its agents in Russia ... and after all, John .. in comparison with some rulers European .. there was a lamb .. Well, in general .. it is not worth farting with a portrait of Stalin .. that's right ..

[URAL72]

I finished school in 1992, and I studied the correct history. Moreover, my favorite subject after geography (I can still draw any country on a napkin with a pen, the girls were in shock), for 3 years I defended my school at the regional Olympiad in both subjects. Until now, I have not lost interest - even on a smart, hundreds of maps and atlases on history and geography.

[AUL]

Quote: URAL72

No, Putin is better. I personally can now fart in the office with a portrait of Putin, and then with a portrait of Stalin ...

Strange, however, your assessment criteria, my friend! And have you tried to evaluate according to the results of the activity?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Svarog

Compare oil prices ...

Yeah, Putin dictates prices on world markets.

[Achilles]

Quote: Svarog

I do not care about Europe and the United States .. I want it like in the USSR. Russia will die out without socialism ..

Russia will not die out, Russia can exist only as an empire and this is our greatness and we are going to this, we are returning to faith.

[Region-25.rus]

Who said, that

But you want it like in Europe

? I don’t want if that.

[Region-25.rus]

and in the course how many volunteers from Russia, Belarus, and in general were involved in a criminal offense upon their return?

[URAL72]

In Russia we are not touched, but in Belarus, Kazakhstan they are imprisoned. A Belarusian served in my RV, he is sitting there. Houses. You can understand - many of us are specialists in a wide range of whom to kill - work. But we are not mercenaries, this is a mistake. They pay very little here - just so that they don't die. I will never kill a Russian citizen, even for a lot of money.

[Region-25.rus]

A fairy tale about the "good tsar and bad boyars"? I've served at KTOF. (now just the Pacific Fleet) The Order of the Red Banner is not honored. (we will destroy everything Soviet! Although we are sitting on the reserve of the USSR)

[alystan]

Happy holiday, brother! KTOF, 5-MPO!

[Region-25.rus]

For the Navy! More ships! Good and the right!!!!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: URAL72

Temples are also needed, otherwise mosques are built faster

And what is the use of temples if this happens in them?

thereafter

[Akuzenka]

How do you not know why they are being erected? !!!!! Where can honest officials forgive their sins before death? Yes, in order not to bother the legs, not to go far - in every block of elite cottages you need its own temple. How else can the ministers of the cult feed themselves ?! Many of them got divorced, already drunk they began to come across. Why get drunk, sick. Without drunken "the word of God" will not go to the masses!

[Peak]

Quote: Region-25.rus

Rifles and shells were not enough, as well as many other things ...

Yes Yes Yes "Not enough"
So much "not enough" that the entire Civilian was won back on the stocks of RIA, and even something "surfaced" from the warehouses even at the beginning of the Second World War ...

[xorek]

Quote: svp67

So I understand that at this naval parade there will be a premiere of new battle flags ...

Most likely so .. There and the Iranian Navy arrived! ..

So, the document contains information that instead of placing the order in the upper left corner of the cloth, now this placement will be carried out in the center of the flag

And I like this innovation Sergey! It's not just that I think it's done ..

The Russian Navy is reborn and we are already known ..
Recently, the Pacific Fleet conducted a large-scale exercise near Hawaii.
The screeching was terrible in the USA, but "our" media kept silent about it ..
That's how we live ..

[Region-25.rus]

Have you seen the ships that participated? how old are they in the know?

[Tatyana Pershina]

Quote: Region-25.rus

Have you seen the ships that participated? how old are they in the know?

The ships are not cucumbers, they are not built for one season. The case can serve for decades. Change the "stuffing".

[Region-25.rus]

the average service life of ships is 25 years. I've worked on ships only three years younger than me. 1976 launch. If it’s interesting, I’ll tell you about the condition of such ships, and about my feelings from working on them. But not today, deserved Friday

[xorek]

Quote: Region-25.rus

Have you seen the ships that participated? how old are they in the know?

I know .. So what ? Newest on duty in the ocean ..
Well for the Russian Navy .. Petrovsky Fleet! This is how we in Russia are always reborn from the ashes, to evil enemies and whiners ..
With the Coming Russian Navy !!!! We are few, but we are in vests ..
We can support the Ural tank divisions with you in Gibraltar with fire (just kidding))))!

[Region-25.rus]

We have an ocean-going FLEET ??? How many keels? From chew. Looks like I'm behind the times

[URAL72]

There is a military lottery. Help the army and navy. If this bothers you so much, please help personally. And then whine and criticize so many people that it really infuriates.

[Region-25.rus]

Estimate, I pay full tax from my 100K salary. And where is the guarantee that the loot will not go to the next yacht? And no one whines. I just see that Forbes has a growing list of compatriots. And the yachts are getting longer and longer.
And since we're talking about

If this bothers you so much, please help personally.

then from time to time, combining with the main work, I help domestic shipbuilders-designers. I make 3D models of their projects for promotion and advertising.
http://www.sstc.spb.ru/product/proektirovanie-sudov/rybopromyslovyy-flot/ там есть и другие (так себе) Но мои сразу видно по качеству проработки и рендера

[URAL72]

Do you want a revolution again, take everything away and divide it up? Look at Ukraine, you don't need to step on a mine personally, you can just ask what will happen. I myself am a member of the Communist Party of Ukraine, since 2011. But I don't want revolutions, I need evolution. We need to move towards Swedish socialism, with private property. If you can prove that the money for the yachts has been stolen, go to court. No need to whine. Enrages. Who are you in the global market? Only billionaire companies today can compete there, and without exports and foreign branches, under the conditions of sanctions, we cannot earn money there, so we will drink our own last juices.

[Region-25.rus]

I don't want revolutions either! But there will be no evolution either! The grabber doesn't need it. The main thing is to be in chocolate yourself. And there, even if they plow with a plow and work with a sledgehammer.

[URAL72]

Well, if nothing happens, and in general everything is gone, then it is better to hang yourself. Better a horrible end than endless horror. Do you know how many guys escaped from the front end, and how many have the attic drove from the constant daily shelling on the front end? If I went into my pants, they won't laugh too much. War is not what you saw in the movies.

[Region-25.rus]

I was certainly not under fire. But for ten years from the end of August to May, tremble with fear, counting every degree of roll and trim, and wondering whether it will break your trough or overturn it on board, given that the water is overboard from +2 to about zero, and a couple of hundred to the nearest shore miles, and if you get that painful death from hypothermia. If you can jump out at all. And if you don't have time, you will go to the bottom in a steel box. And it's not a fact that you will die quickly if you get into an air bag. So there is no need for me to talk about "life and death" okay! I pissed myself off with a "nose", only in a different guise.

[URAL72]

This is a little different. It is impossible to convey a sharp, biting, fucking loud and sudden explosion. Especially when a helmet with brains flies under your feet. It was real.

[Region-25.rus]

I agree that these are different things. But from this, the one that does not get further with the scythe. It wanders so quietly, under the blows of waves in the body.

[AUL]

Quote: Region-25.rus

I don't want revolutions either! But there will be no evolution either!

Well, you are in vain, evolution is in full swing. Yes, just not in the direction of Swedish socialism, but in the direction of terry feudalism!

[Region-25.rus]

It's more like rolling

[Gardamir]

Do you want a revolution again, take everything away and divide it up?

Yours staged a coup in 91-93, took away from the people and divided among themselves. Why are you happy with this? Are you one of those at the trough.?

[URAL72]

I am one of those who are in the trenches of Donbass. And who are ours? I am a member of the Communist Party of Ukraine and the Free Donbass public movement. Always voted for the Communists of Ukraine.

[Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.]

"Yours staged a coup d'etat in 91-93, took away from the people and divided among themselves. Why are you satisfied with this? Are you one of those who are at the trough?"
Who staged the coup d'état, was it the oligarchs? So they did not exist then! This is your beloved CPSU, headed by the most loyal Leninists, members of the Politburo, who destroyed the USSR! Wasn't the drunkard the first secretary of the MK KPSS? And the rest of the bastard who supported the Judas-marked?

[Region-25.rus]

Wasn't the drunkard the first secretary of the MK KPSS?

to be a communist, and to be called him, as they say in Odessa - "two big differences"

[Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.]

The fact of the matter is that by the age of 90, the leadership of the CPSU and the USSR had only those who were only called communists. What's better now? Zyuganov actively pushed the oligarch-millionaire first into the presidency, and now into the deputies. What kind of protection of the people by the current Communist Party of the Russian Federation in such a situation can still be said?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: URAL72

Do you want a revolution again, take everything away and divide it up?

And since when did the confiscation of what was stolen as a result of thieves' privatization began to be "taken away and divided"?

[URAL72]

Estimate, I pay full tax from my 100K salary. And where is the guarantee that the loot will not go to the next yacht? "

I get less, and I did when I was in Moscow. But I bought the lottery, and I do not need guarantees, because from the heart.

[Svarog]

Quote: URAL72

There is a military lottery. Help the army and navy.

Damn .. well, you are completely naive .. now I understand you .. but at first I took it for a troll .. Lotteries are a scam .. names are not important .. Gosloto .. Military .. Stoloto .. everyone is a scam where people are sawing ..

[URAL72]

Well, of course they are sawing! I say, I'm not going to win, but to give Uncle Shoigu some money - I trust him. In general, yes - I am a Donbass volunteer, romantic, fanatic of the Russian world, statesman. Naive? Maybe, but not so young and stupid anymore.

[Svarog]

Quote: URAL72

and to give Uncle Shoigu some money - I trust him. In general, yes - I am a Donbass volunteer, romantic, fanatic of the Russian world, statesman. Naive? Maybe, but not so young and stupid anymore.

say goodbye to sim

[Region-25.rus]

fanatic of the Russian world

here are the most dangerous fanatics. From any side. We can say - "face" and they will rush to tear whoever they order. Without even thinking that “The Russian world is sliding towards“ ordinary fascism. ”You taught history poorly. But I’m only a year younger (((And consciousness is like a schoolboy (((((Sadly

[Region-25.rus]

do not understand them .. alas (((((

[xorek]

Quote: Region-25.rus

We have an ocean-going FLEET ??? How many keels? From chew. Looks like I'm behind the times

Well, well, we have the Caspian and the Black Sea ... And the rest of your USA occupied the AUGmi ..
But after testing successful "Zircons", your entire US AUG fleet of yours is just a stupid target .. But there are trillions of expenses and everything is under the tail
And yell, Russians, we agree to negotiations on arms limitation ..
But Russia does not agree now ..
We demand freedom and compensation for Indians and blacks
And the international court, to all these tolerants! Well, we also receive compensation from the Fed.
It's minimum ..

[Catfish]

Better new ships ...

[Svarog]

Quote: Sea Cat

Better new ships ...

It would be better to shoot all the crooks ..

[Cat]

It would be better to shoot all the crooks ..

And so before every election. Or right after ...

[URAL72]

You must shoot in battle. I do not accept executions - our population is decreasing as it is. Better for life, there will be work for everyone in the zone. Hodor was sewing gloves. It turns out it can be useful.

[Cat]

I do not accept executions - our population is already decreasing

In vain. Well then, an asymmetric solution: send the crooks to the imperialists - let them parasitize.
But on population growth it is necessary to work tirelessly ... uh .. hmm.

[Cananecat]

I have no idea how it was before, but now, in essence, the order will be embroidered?

[Ruslan Sulima]

The Soviet had to be returned. All this historical rush with some incomprehensible motives becomes stupid. The fleet is not a woman of easy virtue, and its attributes should not be touched if you want to change something

[Volga073]

As we will return the USSR, we will return the flag.

[svp67]

Quote: Ruslan Sulima

The fleet is not a woman of easy virtue, and its attributes should not be touched if you want to change something

It remains to compare in time how many years the fleet flew under the St.Andrew's flag and how many under the Soviet

[Ryaruav]

on the day of the navy, it is necessary to use the Andreev banners and flags of the ships of the Soviet navy, they deserved it in battles, especially the Baltic submariners, all this together is the history of our Russian fleet, and here I am grateful to Putin for making this holiday a nationwide which he deserved long ago comrades for a long time

[Ruslan Sulima]

What I'm talking about. Trying to combine in one banner is stupid. I’m, of course, not a particular expert in heraldry, but forgetting about the Soviet fleet is a perversion, a betrayal.

[Svarog]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Ruslan Sulima

The fleet is not a woman of easy virtue, and its attributes should not be touched if you want to change something

It remains to compare in time how many years the fleet flew under the St.Andrew's flag and how many under the Soviet

And to evaluate the achievements .. under the Soviet flag .. and others .. Change attributes - how to change history .. and change history, change memory, and change memory, betray .. betray their fathers, grandfathers ... who did not spare their lives. . and these ..

[Ruslan Sulima]

It remains to compare the contribution to all past wars and the Great Patriotic War.
Call me fucking, don't give a damn.
I have the honor, petty officer of the second article of the reserve KCHF

[alystan]

Keep the crab and plus from me, brother, from the same as you in stock, but with KTOF!

[Cat]

It remains to compare in time how many years the fleet flew under the St.Andrew's flag and how many under the Soviet

Then it is already possible to calculate the total tonnage of warships that have BEGAN to sail under the St.Andrew's flag and under the Soviet one.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Ruslan Sulima

The Soviet had to be returned. All this historical rush with some incomprehensible motives becomes stupid. The fleet is not a woman of easy virtue, and its attributes should not be touched if you want to change something

To be fair, does the fact that the Andreevsky, which for 200 years was the symbol and pride of the Russian fleet, changed to the Soviet one does not bother you at all? Some kind of double standards are obtained. Someone can change, but someone cannot.

[alystan]

For complete justice, in your opinion, it is necessary to return the tsar-father? And then some kind of half-hearted decision is made?

[Volga073]

The order of course in the middle will look better.

[reserve]

The flags of the Navy are often changed. If you are wrong, correct) Although on the one hand, the "emblem" simply moves along the flag, and in the land they have modified some image.
Who served in the USSR, they celebrate the day of the USSR Navy and are faithful to the oath.

[Babay Atasovich]

I will say more - even the Brezhnevskys did not celebrate everything and celebrate it this time

[kit88]

The relative sizes of the flags are also regulated. The approved regulations are as follows: one to three as the ratio of the width to the length of the panel.

Let's clarify as in the original source:

[Second major]

They would say right away that the Great Obnul invented the St. Andrew's Flag and commanded everyone and always remember who did it. What is really there ...

[xorek]

Quote: Seconds Major

They would say right away that the Great Obnul invented the St. Andrew's Flag and commanded everyone and always remember who did it. What is really there ...

To troll people like you ..

I like ..

[Second major]

The point is not in aesthetics, but in the presentation, presentation of the question. What's next? And we laugh over the Sumerians.

[Ruslan Sulima]

But what is the question ... Once upon a time they laughed at the horns of the Naval Forces of Ukraine

[Revival]

"I like ..".

Oh!
Can not be!
Do you like it?
What's going on with the world ...

[reserve]

By the way, a question for servicemen, here is such a moment. If a person entered the service and wore an Air Force chevron for half a year, and after 6 months of service, they said to strip off the chevron and served half a year without a chevron. What to celebrate in the end? There is a familiar Marine who will celebrate the day of the Navy the other day) The specimen is still the one that does not celebrate the day of the Marine. Answer the 1st part of my question
I will add. The Air Force chevron was worn but it was torn off and changed into the signal troops. But the signal troops did not wear chevrons. Moreover, it was in the 5th brigade of the military space defense. Nearby and the headquarters itself and the communications center and divisions and so on. Any reason for reflection? or somehow all this is interpreted

[out of habit]

If the banner is knocked down in battle, it is immediately replaced with another one.


It seems that this was the case for centuries and before Putin.

[Revival]

That is, you dare to assert that there was something before !?
What kind of training manual do you write, State Department !?

[out of habit]

So the brain does not agree to zero yet .

[Revival]

Why do you dare to ignore the amendments !?

[alystan]

And now it will be according to Putin. Everything is reset to zero because the flag is newest!

[Revival]

And you say the Fleet is without attention!
They say the Fleet is not being developed!

Here's a Fact to all the critics in the face!
Engaged in the Fleet!
Now the Yankee aircraft carriers have all ... sailed ...

PS
He he

[Revival]

After 5 hours, I dare to ask if the spell worked?
And by the way, taking this opportunity, could you exclude rain in the area of ​​the Moscow City Court on 24.08.2021 from 10.45 to 14.15 !?

[senima56]

The right decision! The order in the left corner did not look at all! And if there were more than one of them, they would completely cover the panel. And now it is very beautiful and aesthetically pleasing!

[Sasha from Uralmash]

Gee! Finally! Now, with a new flag, miracle-yuda I will win!

[Ovsigovets]

old grumbling))))) stop whining))))

[Revival]

So, I have an idea for the development of the Navy!
And so, on the flag of each ship we draw who he really is, for example, on a seemingly RTO in appearance, but on the flag he has a UDC! BUT!
And he will be at the UDC Parade!
And this is a completely different matter!
And unexpectedly for an adversary, he will see slender endless rows (lines) of Aircraft Carriers, Helicopter carriers, Cruisers, Destroyers at the parade ...

But they said there were no shipyards, there were no specialists ...

You argue apolitically, think narrowly)))

[Warhead-xnumx]

Moremans !!! No need to panic and sadness. The fleet has lived, the fleet is alive, the fleet will live!

[seregin-s1]

Forgive the Lord of his slaves crazy about the belly. What's the difference which flag? I served the Soviet and it is with this flag that I will congratulate my friends. And I congratulate the young Andreevsky! Honor and glory to them for their service! And in what place there the order does not matter! There is a science of such heraldry. They know better, although they did not serve.)

[Knell wardenheart]

Changing flags is never a good idea ..

[Radical]

Quote: Revival

I see you are having a fierce battle with the "green serpent".
Do not give up))

If! I tried to comment on one author on my smartphone, made a set of text, while nothing happens in the comment window, I pressed "send" and now, the result is your comment hinting at my kind of addiction. However, I would like to note that this happens quite often, I don’t know about other users .... Of course, "VO" can follow the path of some providers who immediately ask a question - maybe you have a self-propelled device, I tell them that the self-propeller is decent, at the level. One gets the impression that this is an element of discrimination against the user, which is hopefully unlikely either, as my son claims the site's jambs. Here is such a perdimonocle, dear.

[Revival]

I understood everything at once.
And why!?
And because it also happens, but "rarely")))
So comrade, apparently, I understand you very much)

[Radical]

Quote: seregin-s1

Forgive the Lord of his slaves crazy about the belly. What's the difference which flag? I served the Soviet and it is with this flag that I will congratulate my friends. And I congratulate the young Andreevsky! Honor and glory to them for their service! And in what place there the order does not matter! There is a science of such heraldry. They know better, although they did not serve.)

I could agree with you, but there is some bewilderment - this (I do not know how to properly designate it) is the action displayed in the decree, what caused it? Does it affect the combat effectiveness of the fleet?

In addition, it is noted that the flags of the Russian Navy on ships should under no circumstances be lowered in front of the enemy, since they are the personification of the valor, glory and military traditions of the Russian fleet.
From the document: If the banner is knocked down in battle, it is immediately replaced with another.

Was it ever different? Have you decided to regulate heroism by decree? Or the laurels of Peter the Great haunt the bearer of Sobchak's briefcases and wardrobe trunks?

[Sir Galant]

this is so relevant to us. because there are no problems. we are all rich, prices do not rise, the government listens to our needs ...

[Doliva63]

Quote: sir Galant

this is so relevant to us. because there are no problems. we are all rich, prices do not rise, the government listens to our needs ...

About the prices, by the way. A year ago, I bought Derinat for 187 rubles, and yesterday - 384 rubles. But the flag of the Navy, from which the horns and legs remained, is more important, I understand that

[Serge-667]

Just one Chinese question: ... why?

[tatra]

Eh, from the theme of the flag they switched to a bickering between "red" and "white". So I didn't understand that the benefactor of the "whites" Putin decided to "modernize" the St. Andrew's flag of the fleet of the Russian Empire?

[Tarasios]

Quote: Prax1

This is not complete information. Now the poor soldier must risk his life for material. The flag is more expensive than zini ...

and when was it different? What is this ridiculous grumbling?

[bubla5]

I wonder why all this should be brought in and renamed, and why remind of the honor and dignity of sailors, when all this is written in the UKS

[MBE]

It is high time! Guards and order flags must be visible from afar! We have something to be proud of! Happy Navy Day!

[Gree Tru]

Congratulations to all involved on their professional holiday.

[Gree Tru]

Quote: xorek

Quote: svp67

So I understand that at this naval parade there will be a premiere of new battle flags ...

Most likely so .. There and the Iranian Navy arrived! ..

So, the document contains information that instead of placing the order in the upper left corner of the cloth, now this placement will be carried out in the center of the flag

And I like this innovation Sergey! It's not just that I think it's done ..

The Russian Navy is reborn and we are already known ..
Recently, the Pacific Fleet conducted a large-scale exercise near Hawaii.
The screeching was terrible in the USA, but "our" media kept silent about it ..
That's how we live ..

The partners are screaming, so we are doing everything right.

[Doliva63]

Quote: cat Rusich

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

pisses me off how everyone immediately became "believers" no matter the Orthodox,

And remember how Mother Russia was baptized
In 988, Prince-Father Vladimir Krasno-Sun Svyatoslavovich said to be baptized -
All Russia was baptized ...
And in 1917 V. Lenin said to be "atheists" ...
God is not in the logs, but in the ribs.

What the hell? Has Russia taken and was baptized? They baptized Russia with fire and sword, however, and very unkindly. Read the story, not just anything.