The Ministry of Defense decided to deploy A-50U AWACS aircraft in the Arctic

The Russian Ministry of Defense has decided to deploy A-50U long-range radar detection aircraft (AWACS) in the Arctic. The issue of aircraft deployment is under consideration.

The Russian military decided to use AWACS aircraft to protect the Russian Arctic and Northern Sea Route. The A-50U will operate both independently and in conjunction with long-range MiG-31BM interceptors already deployed at Arctic air bases and on alert.

The issue of the deployment of AWACS aircraft is now being resolved, there is an option for their basing at the Arctic Trefoil military bases on the Alexandra Land island in the Franz Josef Land archipelago and the North Clover on the Kotelny island in the Novosibirsk Islands archipelago. However, the final decision has not yet been made.

As reported "News" with reference to the military department, in March of this year, A-50U were involved in the Umka-2021 exercises, during which they were successfully tested for actions in Arctic conditions. AWACS aircraft, as part of the exercise, provided flights of MiG-31BM interceptors, including targeting. Flights took place, including in the North Pole area.

The A-50U aircraft is designed to detect, track and identify air, large ground and sea targets, issue information about them to command posts, guide fighters to air targets and frontline aircraft. aviation for land and sea targets.

Comments

[faterdom]

Well, and then some were crying that there was nothing to direct the "Zircons" and "Daggers" with ...
Do Americans still claim the Arctic? Is it more reasonable every day? Oh well...

[zadorin1974]

Dobrogo.Everything is good, wonderful victorious reports, but here's how to spread the "one and a half" flying radars all over Russia and not only (all 9 flight ones?).

[Zaurbek]

And can A50 (100) aim anti-ship missiles? The Arctic is not dangerous with aircraft carriers ... B2 and CD will fly from there ...

[Hypertension]

Quote: faterdom

Do Americans still claim the Arctic?

Isn't China the actual headache for Americans? Why would they go to the Arctic now? The cost of producing hydrocarbons there is high. While conventional fields are still regularly supplying oil and gas. Meanwhile, Russia's population is shrinking. In principle, time is on the side of the United States and they have nowhere to rush.

[faterdom]

You see, China is also involved here, and the security of the States themselves is also ...
So, they cannot ignore something, although so far they have only been able to pay only verbally.
This is such a painful point for them, and we are gradually pressing it, remember although the coordinated ascent of three nuclear submarines ... Didn't pay attention? Pay attention, full pants ..

[SovAr238A]

Quote: faterdom

This is such a painful point for them, and we are gradually pressing it, remember although the coordinated ascent of three nuclear submarines ... Didn't pay attention? Pay attention, full pants ..

Surfaced. Yes.
But the point is that they (the Americans) have been doing ICEX exercises in the Arctic for 20 years now, sailing 2-3 boats each.


And it was American submarines that were the first to reach the North Pole, the first to surface at the North Pole with a break in the ice, and the first to transfer boats from the Pacific to the Atlantic under the ice of the Arctic.

Exercises in the arctic zone Arctic Warior - annual.
Not only on the continent. But also on the islands and ice of the Arctic, including in winter.

I understand, of course, that patriotism and all that, but you need to know military history.

[Lynx2000]

Quote: SovAr238A

Surfaced. Yes.
But the point is that they (the Americans) have been doing ICEX exercises in the Arctic for 20 years now, sailing 2-3 boats each.
And it was American submarines that were the first to reach the North Pole, the first to surface at the North Pole with a break in the ice, and the first to transfer boats from the Pacific to the Atlantic under the ice of the Arctic.
Exercises in the arctic zone Arctic Warior - annual.
Not only on the continent. But also on the islands and ice of the Arctic, including in winter.
I understand, of course, that patriotism and all that, but you need to know military history.

The first to reach and pass the point of the conditional North Pole was the US nuclear submarine Nautilus, and the first to surface, breaking the ice at the North Pole, was the Soviet submarine K-181, assigned to the Northern Fleet.
Arctic Warrior Exercise, held in Alaska, not quite annually, at the Donnelly Training Area, Alaska, and at the Richardson Training Area, southeast Alaska (between Chitina and Fairbanks), a cold-weather training event that includes air amphibious operations, situational exercises (STX) and live-fire exercises, not on ice, on the continent.
The Northern Edge exercise, previously an annual exercise (also in Alaska), has been held every two years since 2015.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Lynx2000

The US nuclear submarine Nautilus was the first to reach and pass the point of the conditional North Pole, and the first to surface, breaking the ice at the North Pole, was the Soviet submarine K-181, assigned to the Northern Fleet.

American Skate did it 4 years earlier than ours. In 1959.

[Lynx2000]

Quote: SovAr238A

American Skate did it 4 years earlier than ours. In 1959.

New York Subway has posters, incl. with information: John Glenn is the first American astronaut in space, and, everything ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Lynx2000

Quote: SovAr238A

American Skate did it 4 years earlier than ours. In 1959.

New York Subway has posters, incl. with information: John Glenn is the first American astronaut in space, and, everything ...

We read reality ...

In August 1957, the nuclear submarine Nautilus attempted to reach the North Pole under the ice. She reached 87 degrees north latitude. The same submarine in 1958 passed under the ice from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic. The operation was called Sunshine. The command of the US Navy, having announced that the submarine was going to the Atlantic through the Panama Canal, wanted to hide its route. However, the "Nautilus" did not appear in the channel, but, leaving the Pearl Harbor base, headed for the Bering Strait.

The submarine dived under the ice of the Arctic Ocean, sailed along the northern coast of Alaska and reached the point of the North Pole on August 3 without surfacing.

The American nuclear submarine Skate first surfaced at the North Pole on March 17, 1959 and planted an American flag there.

In June-August 1962, the nuclear submarines Skate and Sidregon sailed under the ice of the Arctic together.

In July 1962, the Soviet nuclear submarine "Leninsky Komsomol" under the command of Captain 2nd Rank L. M. Zhiltsov also sailed under the ice to the North Pole.

And the submarines Skate and Sidregon, having come separately to the North Pole, met and simultaneously surfaced there on August 2, 1962.
Then they parted in different directions. The Sidregon returned to Pearl Harbor by the Bering Strait, while the Skate entered the Atlantic Ocean and finished her cruise at the New London Naval Base.

A year later, in September 1963, the crew of a Soviet nuclear submarine, commanded by Captain 2nd Rank Yu. A. Sysoev, surfaced exactly at the North Pole and hoisted the state and naval flags of our country over the hummocks.

[Lynx2000]

Quote: SovAr238A

We read reality ...

In August 1957, the nuclear submarine Nautilus attempted to reach the North Pole under the ice. She reached 87 degrees north latitude. The same submarine in 1958 passed under the ice from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic. The operation was called Sunshine. The command of the US Navy, having announced that the submarine was going to the Atlantic through the Panama Canal, wanted to hide its route. However, the "Nautilus" did not appear in the channel, but, leaving the Pearl Harbor base, headed for the Bering Strait.
......
The American nuclear submarine Skate first surfaced at the North Pole on March 17, 1959 and planted an American flag there.
.....
In July 1962, the Soviet nuclear submarine "Leninsky Komsomol" under the command of Captain 2nd Rank L. M. Zhiltsov also sailed under the ice to the North Pole.

And the submarines Skate and Sidregon, having come separately to the North Pole, met and simultaneously surfaced there on August 2, 1962.
Then they parted in different directions. The Sidregon returned to Pearl Harbor by the Bering Strait, while the Skate entered the Atlantic Ocean and finished her cruise at the New London Naval Base.

A year later, in September 1963, the crew of a Soviet nuclear submarine, commanded by Captain 2nd Rank Yu. A. Sysoev, surfaced exactly at the North Pole and hoisted the state and naval flags of our country over the hummocks.

"Skate" surfaced twice near the pole, including breaking through the ice ...
K-181 - for the first time managed to ascend exactly in the coordinates of the North Pole, where an ice hole was very successfully formed that day.

[Bez 310]

Quote: faterdom

remember though the coordinated ascent of three nuclear submarines

So I remembered ...
This event was a pronounced show, and has nothing to do with combat readiness. Well ... like synchronized swimming ...

[K298rtm]

Of course, there are elements of PR-show. But practicing swimming in AB is not a very simple event, actually performed.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Hyperion

Isn't China the actual headache for Americans? Why would they go to the Arctic now? The cost of producing hydrocarbons there is high.

And I believe that the main purpose of their stay there is our northern direction. Extended and vulnerable to missile attacks by the American fleet and their strategic aviation. Beyond the Arctic lies
our mother Siberia. And it is rich not only in sacred taiga and strong people, but also in missiles that, in any situation, will be able to reach the enta of Omerika ... They must be protected first of all.
P S _-_-_ A - 50 in the North it is very necessary and correct, but we do not have enough flying radars and tankers. But the country is big and the possibility of intercepting the enemy is in demand along the entire length of our border.

[Astra55]

They (A-50) will not "guard" anything. There are only a dozen of them.
Well, let's set up a permanent database in the air, we will roam along the NSR, count polar bears. And we will kill the resource of all aircraft in a year or two. That's really the adversary will be glad!
The A-50 will rise into the air if it becomes known from other sources that NATO nuclear submarines are entering the line of attack. B-52s warm up their engines, and B-2s disappear somewhere from their home airfields.
They will be on duty on a rotational basis, but they will be lifted into the air as a last resort.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Astra55

They will be on duty on a rotational basis, but they will be lifted into the air as a last resort.

It would be possible to "hang" equipped balloons or airships on a leash there for constant observation, but we do not have them yet.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: faterdom

Well, and then some were crying that there was nothing to direct the "Zircons" and "Daggers" with ...
Do Americans still claim the Arctic? Is it more reasonable every day? Oh well...

For what purposes are you going to beat with Daggers and Zircons in the Arctic?
Have you even looked at the map?
Where are the New Siberian Islands located?
Zircons and Daggers ...
yeah ..
The head is needed not only to have it!

[Bez 310]

Quote: faterdom

and then some cried that there was nothing to direct the "Zircons" and "Daggers" with ...

Again they started talking nonsense about the A-50, "Daggers" and "Zircons".

[KCA]

How many A-50s will be deployed? one? 1 out of 2 on the go? Or A-5, of which there are 100 units in the troops?

[Kurare]

With such a production rate of the Il-76MD90A, where can we get so many A-50 (U)?

[avg]

For constant patrols, serious drones will pull up.

[Kurare]

So the fact of the matter is that there is neither enough A-50 (U) nor even in the plans of drones. You write as if we already have AWACS drones.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: avg

For constant patrols, serious drones will pull up.

What drone can replace the A-50?
Well, what would a radar of similar power stand?
What energy generators would be enough to operate such a radar?

What would the communication channel with the transmission of data to the ground about the situation allow?
Can you imagine the "bandwidth"?
Do we have such communication systems now?
Stable and secure?
Such a drone - it takes 10 years to build.
There are 10 more radars for it.
About such communication systems - you need to make your own analogue of Starlink - with 6000 satellites ...


Enough fantasies - just think a little ..

[Wanderer_GO]

And, how do you like a stationary (7/24/365) non-volatile, unmanned, 300 meter radar maneuvering in height from 0 to 5 km?

[apricot]

where is this ????

[Wanderer_GO]

This is for thoughts to go in the right direction ...
And a well-developed concept costs money, so "ring", develop your thinking ...

[apricot]

Yes, it is clear that these are fantasies, I joked to see it unsuccessfully ...
About two years ago there was an interesting article about DRO airships, it seemed like they tested mini versions (as far as I remember), but I did not see any more info on this topic ...

[avg]

Quote: SovAr238A

Enough fantasies - just think a little ..

You are not only me, you are advising this to the specialists working on the Arctic program of the Russian Foundation for Advanced Study of the Military-Industrial Commission (MIC) under the Russian government. But, there people with imagination and work lead in many directions, from atmospheric satellites, airships, heavy drones, to drones included in the equipment set for icebreakers, warships, scientific vessels, and so on. A program is being developed that allows to combine data received from all these means plus data from ground-based radars into a single information space and monitor the entire Arctic, for which an appropriate control center is being created. Of course, an important role is also assigned to AWACS aircraft, which will be involved in the most important areas and in the event of an emergency.

[A.K.]

For the A50 (U), the new IL 76MD90A boards are not used, but they modernize the old A50. New ones are needed for the A100 Premier, but nothing has been heard about this project recently. Yes, the production rate of Ilov 76x is still not keeping up with the needs of Min. defense. But they are obliged to increase them. Let's hope it will.

[Kurare]

Quote: A.K.

For the A50 (U), the new IL 76MD90A boards are not used, but they modernize the old A50.

Yes you are right. But, in any case, the same A-50 or A50 (U) is simply not enough.

Quote: A.K.

But they are obliged to increase them. Let's hope it will.

On the one hand, platform unification according to the Il-76MD90A - a transport, AWACS, a tanker - this is excellent. On the other hand, it will be very difficult to saturate the troops with the current production rates. And yes let's hope

[Zaurbek]

It has long been necessary to start using civilian airliners ..... Tu204 (214) how much does it cost idle?

[Kurare]

Quote: Zaurbek

It has long been necessary to start using civilian airliners ..... Tu204 (214) how much does it cost idle?

Or Il-96, for example. At the same time, the Voronezh plant can be loaded with orders.

[Zaurbek]

With modern electronics, it is already too big, but yes, you can load kerosene and fly around the USA

[Kurare]

I meant as a tanker to offload the needs of the 76s.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Kurare

as a tanker,

They offered our Air Force silts 96e, they did not take it. Apparently something is wrong with them.

[Zaurbek]

It is possible both as TZ and AWACS and Strategic Reconnaissance Plane and CU ...

[tralflot1832]

What is not very calm, we are reviving the former power in the north. It remains to introduce constant patrolling of strategists over the North Pole. What did the supporters think there, what did Petrov and Bashirov learn? We send each meat to the north. For everyone, defense of the NSR! But in reality?

[Bez 310]

Quote: tralflot1832

What is not very calm, we are reviving the former power in the north.

Calm down, all these events are ostentatious, imitate military activities, and only have an impact on ordinary people, who are growing harsh sentiments.

[Yuriy71]

It is not clear why this issue has not been resolved earlier!

[URAL72]

Why wasn't he? They were created back in the Soviet Union to close the "northern holes" in the radar field, primarily from cruise missiles. MIG-31 too. Based in Ivanovo, this is possible. Or do you want them to Franz Josef Land?

[moreman78]

Quote: URAL72

Why wasn't he? They were created back in the Soviet Union to close the "northern holes" in the radar field, primarily from cruise missiles. MIG-31 too. Based in Ivanovo, this is possible. Or do you want them to Franz Josef Land?

So I don’t understand, there are tankers who will be able to provide patrolling of DROLO aircraft! Why build a garden with AWACS aircraft based in the Arctic ?.

[Izotovp]

It would be nice to use them as the brain for a flock of drones.

[svp67]

Quite an expected decision,

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

***
The Russian Federation ensures the constant readiness of the Armed Forces,
other troops and bodies to contain and prevent military conflicts,
to the armed protection of the Russian Federation and its allies in accordance
with the norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation.
---
"Military doctrine of the Russian Federation" (approved by the President of the Russian Federation on December 25.12.2014, 2976 N Pr-XNUMX)
***

[Osipov9391]

Which ones ? Those who have seen the Soviet Tashkent? Yes, the resource of many is already at the limit and their flight condition is no more than a dozen! And you still need to control the Far East, South and West directions. Even 30 such aircraft will not be enough for the whole of Russia!
And in terms of equipment (A-50 without U I mean), most are hopelessly outdated. This is the level of the mid-80s, the element base is not produced.
It is also striking that small countries make AWACS aircraft small and compact. But this is their superiority in electronics affects.

[Mikhail Ishin]

Why bother with this?
The title is enough for the pariots to be happy - * The Arctic is ours * and * Bite out the mattress covers *, and the more advanced ones will still think about flocks of drones to help these A50

[URAL72]

And you still need to control the Far East, South and West directions. Even 30 of these planes will not be enough for the whole of Russia! "

No need to panic! Indeed, besides the sagging shield, we also have a very good sword. In the 90s, it was the nuclear triad that accounted for the lion's share of defense spending. With the advent of the Vanguard, Sarmat, Zircon and new low-visibility cruise missiles, Russia guaranteed itself safety from a major war for the next 25-30 years. And for local conflicts, it is enough that there is and is slowly coming in. Our economy cannot afford to double defense spending. It's good that Moscow understands this. The main thing is that new weapons are being developed in all directions. Now, if we had bought the Su-57 since 2012, now we had to look for money for modernization. Are you aware that Sukhoi is already working on this and the new version will be ready by 2024?

[Nikolay2]

One flew to the troops and is already upgrading? WOW!
Medvedev also modernized the economy and the police. Haha 3 times.
You can allocate even less for medicine and more for kerosene - to fly around America. That would be afraid.

[URAL72]

Did you come here by chance? After all, they wrote about the beginning of modernization.

[akropin]

I'm even afraid to imagine how much money is needed to place an AWACS aircraft in the Arctic. Sick children will wait for help from the state for another 50 years.

[Zaurbek]

We need a couple of civilian airports. And if this is not done, a bunch of other healthy orphans and a bunch of unemployed will be added to sick children. As after the Second World War or perestroika

[akropin]

Your anxiety is quite clear. Strengthening the country's security is not only iron, the main thing is people. Personally, I do not see any concern for the common people of the country in which I live.

[Zaurbek]

Something has become better, something has become worse ...

[Jacket in stock]

Do they want to send them there for exercises or seriously and for a long time?
If for a long time, then I do not envy either the pilots or, even more so, the techies.
Again, how long will this last? All these planes, to put it mildly, are not the first freshness.
For several months of constant duty, they will kill the entire remaining resource, and then what? There are no new ones and are not expected. Neither the sides - the carriers, nor the electronics stuffing.

[Jacket in stock]

Again, if everything is so tasty with over-the-horizon radars and satellites, then why are they even needed there?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Again, if everything is so tasty with over-the-horizon radars and satellites, then why are they even needed there?

Operator with Hrych - you will probably be able to explain everything ...

[xorek]

We have taken the Arctic seriously and are doing the right thing .. There is something to defend and we will defend all this, for future generations!
At least we will justify ourselves for the collapse of the great country of the USSR .. They deceived us cruelly.

[Ryaruav]

we need a-100 and at least 50 units

[The Dragon]

This is all great, of course. Do I just have a question, how many of these aircraft are in service? Not more than a dozen?

[aszzz888]

The issue of the deployment of AWACS aircraft is now being resolved, there is a variant of their basing at the Arctic Trefoil military bases on the Alexandra Land island in the Franz Josef Land archipelago and the North Clover on the Kotelny island in the Novosibirsk Islands archipelago.

NEEDED and without fail. I hope the MO will make the right decision.