American Edition: International Success of the Checkmate Fighter Not Guaranteed

Russia presented a new fifth-generation single-engine fighter developed by Sukhoi, organizing a wide advertising campaign. However, despite this, the success of the Russian fighter in the international market is not guaranteed, the author of the article for the American magazine The National Interest Sebastian Roblen is sure.

Russia has launched an extensive advertising campaign ahead of the show of its new promising fighter. To create excitement, Russian Rostec released a series of videos in which a number of countries are shown as potential buyers, in particular India, Argentina, the United Arab Emirates, Vietnam and others. During the presentation of the aircraft, it was announced that the fighter was designed for export deliveries and Russia was awaiting numerous applications for the aircraft.

However, not everything is as planned by Russia, writes Roblen. Firstly, the fighter itself is not yet available and there is no certainty that it will take off at all. To go from a mock-up to a real plane, you need government funding or foreign investment. In the author's opinion, Moscow relies on heavy aircraft and may not find money for a light fighter.

Secondly, he writes, even taking into account the development of the Su-57, the development of Checkmate is unlikely to go quickly and will be cheap. And taking into account the workload of the production lines of the Su-35, Su-57 and Su-34M, the new fighter will need to build a separate line, and this is an additional cost.

In addition, according to Roblen, in order to bring the new fighter to the international market, and Russia intends to sell at least 300 aircraft, Moscow will have to “bow down” to the United States so that Washington does not put a spoke in the wheel by imposing sanctions against potential buyers.

On the other hand, if Russia can turn its development into a full-fledged fighter and it meets the declared parameters, then Checkmate will become commercially attractive and outstrip its potential competitors in the international market, sums up Roblen.

Comments

[Alexey-74]

If the United States itself does not use the techniques of unhealthy competition, then everything will be normal ...

[Boris Ivanov]

readers of the leading Japanese publication not only noted the excellent characteristics of the new Russian fighter, but also suggested in the comments that "the Russian Checkmate F-35 will just do it!" cheap Russian.

[Alex777]

This Sebastian Roblen seems to have found his arguments on Topwar.

[URAL72]

To go from a mock-up to a real plane, you need government funding or foreign investment. "

I already wrote that the new fighter will consist of 90% ready-made (or almost finished) components and assemblies of the Su-57 and S-70. Even the software will be largely taken from them. The costs will not be high, and foreign investment is not needed. But we, as usual, have recently sold the assembly license to someone, and to someone we will offer to participate in the project for a little money. I think the transparent hints of the UAE are not casual. No, this is a very lucrative project, unlike the Su-57. He actually will help to recoup funds for the development of the Su-57 and even the Hunter. First of all, this concerns the engine and weapons, communications, on-board computers, OLS, etc.

[Alex777]

I agree with you on the whole.
I will clarify the details a little:
- whatever the costs of developing a new aircraft based on the existing groundwork, financial assistance from the outside only speeds up the process, and since the process is surprisingly quiet and fast, I can assume that there was financial assistance.
- Of course, no one will speak out loud about financial aid, but the Indians recently ordered a MiG-29K / KUB, which greatly surprised me.
- I don't know how profitable the project will be, but if everything goes according to plan with the characteristics, terms and price, it will be very difficult for the States to stop its progress.

[URAL72]

I haven’t heard of the shipbuilders yet, but it’s clear about financial help. Only it is needed not so much for development as for the construction of test vehicles. Even the AL-41F is already approaching $ 5 million, but perhaps this is an export price.

[Alex777]

I read about this on the run today. The preparation of this purchase seems to have been going on for a long time.

“The Russian side has received from its Indian partners a preliminary request for the supply of MiG-29K / KUB carrier-based fighters. Relevant proposals have been sent ”, - quotes the director of FSMTC TASS.
.... on Wednesday, Russia sent India a commercial offer for the supply of 21 MiG-29 fighters. In early February, the deputy director of the FSMTC, Vladimir Drozhzhov, reported that India had decided to purchase 21 MiG-29 fighters from Russia. India also approved the modernization of the 59 MiG-29s of the country's Air Force worth more than $ 984 million.

https://vz.ru/news/2021/7/23/1110394.html

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: URAL72

I already wrote that the new fighter will consist of 90% ready-made (or almost finished) components and assemblies of the Su-57 and S-70. Even the software will be largely taken from them.

Are you the chief designer?
Usually, someone who says "it will be easy", or does not understand the question well, or is openly lying.
Because even linking ready-made components in one glider is not a task for five years of work.

[URAL72]

I did not say that it will be easy and free, and even right tomorrow. I said that they will take full advantage of the developments of the new machines, and this will significantly reduce the cost and speed up the development. Actually, this was said on the first day at the presentation by the heads of the Sukhoi Design Bureau.

[Aaron Zawi]

Well, how can you seriously talk about such topics? Possibly in 6-7 years, when this machine, having passed all stages of testing, will be ready for mass production in the world, there will be such an ass that new equipment will be bought by everyone and for any money. Or maybe, on the contrary, there will be detente and the world military-industrial complex will decline like in the 90s. Can you calculate this?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well, how can you seriously talk about such topics?

I agree . It's hard to plan. The Situation Changes Rapidly Instantly. And an ordinary person cannot dream for more than three days.

[Crane]

Possible ...
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[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Alexey-74

Unless the United States itself uses the techniques of unhealthy competition,

And competition cannot be healthy or not healthy.
It just exists, and everyone uses the methods that are available to them. Why would America be the hegemon if it doesn't take advantage of it?

[Kurare]

Quote: Jacket in stock

And competition cannot be healthy or not healthy.
It just exists, and everyone uses the methods that are available to them.

Those. Do you think that the days of the "Wild West" have not passed and the one with the "longer" Colt is right?

Actually, there is the WTO, in which Russia is a member, where there are rules governing international trade, including "competition". Do not buy Russian intimidation of countries, otherwise you will not be good, probably not among such rules.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Kurare

Those. Do you think that the days of the "Wild West" have not passed and the one with the "longer" Colt is right?

Do you think that such times are already in the past?

Quote: Kurare

In fact, there is the WTO, which Russia is also a member of, where there are rules governing international trade, including fair competition.

Well, did the WTO accession help the Russian Federation a lot?

[Kurare]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Do you think that such times are already in the past?

Unfortunately, and I must admit, they do come back.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Well, did the WTO accession help the Russian Federation a lot?

IMHO, no, it didn't help. The WTO is like a pivot, where the United States is turned, and there it went.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Kurare

Unfortunately, and I must admit, they do come back.

Yes, they did not go anywhere, who is stronger and right. The USSR was incommensurably stronger than the Russian Federation and the same could act from a position of strength, including. The Russian Federation cannot afford this with impunity.

[Kurare]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

The USSR was incommensurably stronger than the Russian Federation and the same could act from a position of strength, including.

The USSR could act from a position of strength - yes. But simply to violate the terms of the organization that governs commercial relations is not. This is the point: there are rules, but the United States doesn't give a damn about them.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

The Russian Federation cannot afford this with impunity.

I agree, it cannot, as long as it follows these rules and is a member of the WTO.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Kurare

This is the point: there are rules, but the United States does not care about them.

It's not about the United States, it's about the system of capitalist relations. Before the USA, there was Britain, etc.

Quote: Kurare

I agree, it cannot, as long as it follows these rules and is a member of the WTO.

I don't know the benefits of being a member of this organization. While the Russian Federation is a cap country, its place is only in the vestibule, and not in the compartment car.

[Kurare]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

It's not about the United States, it's about the system of capitalist relations. Before the USA, there was Britain, etc.

Yes and no. Such actions without rules can backfire for the "hegemons" themselves. The same Britain is an example of this. There must be rules and they must be followed. Otherwise, it will be the "wild west" with all its consequences.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Kurare

There must be rules and they must be followed. Otherwise, it will be the "wild west" with all its consequences.

The only restraining factor today is nuclear weapons, there are no other factors. Two world wars have shown this. The League of Nations did not cope, and the UN does not cope either, only the fear of mutual destruction can cope, unfortunately. There are countries that "write the rules" and there are countries that obey the rules. There is no "equality", but it probably never happened, no matter how regrettable it is.

[Kurare]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

The only restraining factor today is nuclear weapons, there are no other factors.

It's right. But it can be brought to such an extent that there will be no other choice other than WAR.

Historical example: Japan and the United States before the attack on Pearl Harbor. The Japanese knew very well that they would most likely lose, but they took this step, since the United States had pressed them seriously.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Kurare

It's right. But it can be brought to such an extent that there will be no other choice other than WAR.

And besides, everything slowly rolls down, which I don't like at all.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

There are countries that "write the rules" and there are countries that obey the rules. There is no "equality", but it probably never happened, no matter how regrettable it is.

So people began to behave similarly. How can you encourage decency and educate children in this spirit? You don't have to answer. Unanswered question. And still it is necessary to instill decency in children.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Kurare

Those. Do you think that the days of the "Wild West" have not passed and the one with the "longer" Colt is right?

Don't you think so?

Quote: Kurare

Actually, there is the WTO, in which Russia is a member, where there are rules governing international trade, including "competition". Do not buy Russian intimidation of countries, otherwise you will not be good, probably not among such rules.

Yah?
And when did they listen to this WTO? Is that when they themselves had to bend someone.

[Kurare]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Don't you think so?

See my post above, answer alekseykabanets

[Kurare]

Quote: Alexey-74

If the United States itself does not use the techniques of unhealthy competition, then everything will be normal ...

Basically, the author has already answered this question:

... Moscow will have to "bow down" to the United States so that Washington does not put a spoke in its wheels, imposing sanctions against potential buyers

So, further confrontation due to unfair competition is guaranteed. Only the author is not right in the fact that someone will "bow down" in the United States.

[Peak]

"Firstly Secondly" ... Musolate ...

So immediately write that THIRD , introduce sanctions against potential buyers ...

[Alexander 3]

So we have not yet seen how it flies. Yes, and have not yet asked permission from the United States to build such an aircraft.

[Atlant-1164]

Let's wait for the flying instance ..

[rocket757]

American Edition: International Success of the Checkmate Fighter Not Guaranteed

It is strange, of course, but the topic "plays" from different sides ... at least in the media space.
Here you go.

[cniza]

If there is buzz and talk already the beginning of success, how is the first step, and then what? then you have to plow and plow ...

[rocket757]

Time will tell what will happen and how.

[cniza]

I really want the product to happen, as announced ...

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Well, the American Roblen made fun! At first they assured that it was their idea, now they hysterically assure that: there is no fighter, it will not fly, Moscow has no money for development, it is impossible to make it fast and cheap. And in general, in order to sell a fighter jet, Russia will have to ask permission from the United States!

[Uncle lee]

Moscow will have to "bow down" to the United States,

Or maybe not! "Permitters"! Damn burnt .....

[yuliatreb]

It flies, and then we'll see, it won't, striped stars in an asterisk are running in front of the locomotive, as always, they can't hear their mongrels yet, they can't think of anything new.

[tralflot1832]

Roblen was at the Sukhoi plant in Komsomolsk on the Amur, which talks about the workload of the lines. I suspect that the theory of low volume is a publicized bullshit, which gives the plane + $ 40-60 million in added value. And the plane can also be painted with two-component polymer-based paint. ( Back in 1986, he painted the workbench with such paint, on a dispute with three hammer blows, no one could beat off the paint) And the electronics can be installed from 4 +++.

[Igor Polovodov]

The USA is already starting to swell from unhealthy competition ... Checkmate!

[Jacket in stock]

That success is not guaranteed is clear without it.
You can't huddle a client lying on the stove, you have to work, work and work ...
And the engineers will have to work to make the car fly, and the sellers to please the buyer, and the diplomats to bypass the sanctions.

[Mouse]

Envy silently ...

[askort154]

This is the difference between modern Russia and the USSR - capitalist countries from socialist countries.
Previously, all products for the country's defense were secret. Today, on the contrary, "the hen is in the nest," and they already want to trade in its chickens. Trade above secrets.

[Kurare]

Quote: askort154

Previously, all products for the country's defense were secret

Well, why, most of the characteristics of the Su-57 are still classified. And the new "ShahMat", as it was announced, is being ordered by one of the countries, i.e. should initially be a commercial project.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: askort154

Previously, all products for the country's defense were secret. On the contrary today

And who said that this is for the defense of our country?
And even before, secrets were only from their citizens. When delivering abroad, what kind of secrecy can there be?

[Alex_You]

The development itself was secret, and when the product was already in metal and in a series, it was exhibited at a parade or at an exhibition. And they never boasted about layouts.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Alex_You

... And they never boasted about layouts.

Yah?
And what did they ride on Red Square?
Sometimes mock-ups of missiles that don't even exist.

[your1970]

Quote: askort154

This is the difference between modern Russia and the USSR - capitalist countries from socialist countries.
Previously, all products for the country's defense were secret.

AND? What was the joy from this ??
We collected AK-74 shells one by one - and Soldier of Fortune burned them with zinc for 7-8 years before ..
"Jane" knew all the performance characteristics of our ships long before launching ...

[ccsr]

Quote: your1970

We collected liners from the AK-74 piece by piece

So in each unit there was an annual plan for the collection of ferrous and non-ferrous scrap metal, which is why they collected the shells. Moreover, they also reported on how many percent the annual plan was fulfilled - this is all routine work in Soviet times, and has nothing to do with secrecy.

[your1970]

Quote: ccsr

So in each unit there was an annual plan for the collection of ferrous and non-ferrous scrap metal, which is why they collected the shells.

- in fact, the AK-74's liners are steel and the weight is penny. It was easier to hand over with some kind of truck - than not letting go to sleep for three days l / s combing the shooting range because of 1 (one !!!) liner ...
The officer corps blamed on secrecy

[ccsr]

Quote: your1970

- than for three days not to let sleep l / s combing the shooting range because of 1 (one !!!) cartridge case ...

I don't really believe in this, except for the special forces, where they used special cartridges for silent shooting.

Quote: your1970

The officer corps blamed on secrecy

What kind of secrecy is there - just someone let go of such a version so as not to relax.

[Prisoner]

The main thing is that it would be guaranteed in battle. The rest will follow.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Captive

The main thing is to be guaranteed in battle

We don’t care what he is like in battle. It is initially made for sale, and what the buyer will do with it, send it into battle, to a parade, or will carry potatoes, it makes no difference to us.

[cniza]

On the other hand, if Russia can turn its development into a full-fledged fighter and it meets the declared parameters, then Checkmate will become commercially attractive and outstrip its potential competitors in the international market, sums up Roblen.

Confused myself ...

[Ros 56]

And who knows, striped trandychikh?

[Astra55]

The adversary began to fuss!
So everything is being done correctly.

[Ryaruav]

in any case, we and amers have their own countries, buyers, NATO will not buy

[Logic]

Goose: I like that chicken.
Fox: They won't be happy about the goose in the chicken coop.

[lopvlad]

Moscow will have to "bow down" to the United States so that Washington does not put a spoke in its wheels by imposing sanctions on potential buyers.

in any weapon, the main thing is its efficiency, reliability + operating costs (in relation to aviation, this is the same cost of a flight hour) and if it is at the level, then no sticks in the ears will force buyers to abandon the aircraft. But even Turkey bought the complex, not to mention India and China. In general, everyone bought the S-400 to whom Moscow sold it.

[Vladimir Nizhegorodsky]

Let them envy in silence.
And not pouring bile.
And contributing your misinformation.
Although theirs squabbles like free advertising.
The potential client will touch, check and make the right choice anyway.

[Azimuth]

Quote: ccsr

Quote: your1970

- than for three days not to let sleep l / s combing the shooting range because of 1 (one !!!) cartridge case ...

I don't really believe in this, except for the special forces, where they used special cartridges for silent shooting.

Quote: your1970

The officer corps blamed on secrecy

What kind of secrecy is there - just someone let go of such a version so as not to relax.

There was such a period with the AK-47 / AKM, it was worn in cases, they collected ammunition after firing from AK and SKS, then it was the same when the first AK-74 appeared, but with 74 it did not last long.
It all depends on how old the writer was, when and where he served, in some districts the madhouse lasted longer.

[Azimuth]

Quote: cniza

On the other hand, if Russia can turn its development into a full-fledged fighter and it meets the declared parameters, then Checkmate will become commercially attractive and outstrip its potential competitors in the international market, sums up Roblen.

Confused myself ...

He insured himself. The article is written in such a way that in any case the author will look like a "visionary", but the article is generally superficial. Data on market capacity for future decades, markets, countries and the age of their air force fleet are not given, there is no analysis and conclusions.
Everything is very superficial, "at a gallop through Europe".

[ROSS_51]

In addition, according to Roblen, in order to bring the new fighter to the international market, and Russia intends to sell at least 300 aircraft, Moscow will have to “bow down” to the United States so that Washington does not put a spoke in the wheel by imposing sanctions against potential buyers.

It looks like Roblen did not hear anything about Turkey, or about the S-400 purchased by her.