In Kiev voiced demands for "compensation" for the completion of the "Nord Stream - 2"

Kiev has named its claims for compensation for the completion of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline. The list of what Ukraine intends to receive was announced by Olga Stefanishina, Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration of Ukraine.

According to Stefanishina, first of all, the European Union, and more specifically, the United States and Germany, must ensure the preservation of gas transit through the territory of Ukraine and guarantee the conclusion of new contracts for the pumping of gas within the framework of a trilateral contract. Secondly, Kiev should be provided with "guarantees" regarding territorial integrity and sovereignty, agreements in this area will not suit Ukraine.

And finally, Kiev demands from the EU to fulfill its obligations to "integrate gas and electricity markets" in accordance with the Association Agreement with the European Union.

The Deputy Prime Minister stressed that Kiev sent its claims for compensation to Brussels seven months ago, but has not received a response so far.

Recall that earlier in Kiev they called the "only acceptable" option of "compensation" for the launch of Nord Stream 2, stating that Ukraine needs a new long-term contract with Gazprom for the transit of Russian gas in the amount of 45-50 billion cubic meters per year for a period of 15 years. According to Kiev, it is this option that "compensates" for all the losses from the Russian gas pipeline.

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[common man]

The list of what Ukraine intends to receive was announced by Olga Stefanishina, Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration of Ukraine.
Have you tried to create something yourself?

[Peak]

In Kiev voiced demands for "compensation" for the completion of the "Nord Stream - 2"

Compensation? Them ??? Are they going to finish building it for us?

[Torins]

They are generally not in a position to demand anything. So, another shake of air, relax)

[Peak]

Quote: Torins

They are generally not in a position to demand anything. So that another shaking of the air, relax)

And who is straining? And because of what?

Because of the dummy degradant?

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Here are stupid! The Americans strictly forbade the ukroaborigens to comment on their deal with Germany on the SP-2, and Stefanishina again (after Kuleba) got out with her "requirements"! And the freaky "velikokry" of the owner's anger are not afraid! It is a little surprising that talkative Americans, without comment, silently swallow resentment from their vassals.

[Pereira]

They are not up to it now. They please blacks.

[prior]

Fuck him with Kiev and his Wishlist.
You need to talk about the main thing.
The German-American Memorandum on Nord Stream 2 is an international document that consolidates Russia's colonial status.
Russia owes everyone something for its gas, and if something goes wrong, they all together will also impose sanctions.
This has to be done with. There will be no misunderstanding Ukraine - there will be no problems either in transit or in price.
Shoigu.
You were invited to Mariupol.
Do not be shy - go straight to Kiev.
Otherwise, this "gum" will never end.

[Alex777]

There will be no misunderstanding Ukraine - there will be no problems either in transit or in price.

Support!
In addition, there will be no problems with Crimea and sanctions.
I don’t understand one thing - why do they not understand this in Ukraine?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

The letter to VVP clearly says: "Leave with what you came with." Even godfather Medvedchuk was offended, poor fellow. Indirectly, this also applies to him. If he is aiming for the presidency, he will lose half of the country. Nepotism is nepotism, but .....

[Piramidon]

Quote: Alex777

I don’t understand one thing - why do they not understand this in Ukraine?

Their understanding depends on the home team.

[Igor Ushakov]

There will be no misunderstanding Ukraine

It looks like it won't be long to wait.
Inside information from trusted sources
1. Poroshenko has become a frequent visitor to the front line, where they have been preparing something with the "Bloody Pastor" Turchinov for a year.
2. There is an explosive growth in purchases of weapons and especially special ammunition. All supposedly for the buildings of the "National Guard" (Russian "National Guard"). Let me remind you that these organizations were created for supposedly police functions in cities. They are recruited from ATO veterans, activists and nationalists.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: PiK

Compensation? Them ??? Are they going to finish building it for us?

No, they will not finish building, but for the fact that they stand on the sidelines, it is necessary to compensate for this. I always immediately associate with African countries, when their "representatives" come to you and when they leave demand money, I asked "Why ???" and they always answered - "Well, we came to visit you, and you owe us give."
Well, I'm used to the Africans, although all the time I said - "No !!!. But I never could have thought that this could be among white Europeans.

[The black]

The United States and Germany must ensure the preservation of gas transit through the territory of Ukraine and guarantee the conclusion of new contracts

What other guarantees? There was a stall in the city, someone decided to build a supermarket, the owner of the stall says, will you give guarantees that they will go to my stall the same way as before?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Black

What other guarantees? There was a stall in the city, someone decided to build a supermarket

And Svidomo's whole life is at the level of a stall or a selmag (supermarket).

[Alex777]

I never thought that this could be among white Europeans.

Apparently, these Europeans are not white enough.

[venik]

Quote: PiK

In Kiev voiced demands for "compensation" for the completion of the "Nord Stream - 2"
Compensation? Them ??? Are they going to finish building it for us?

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They imagined themselves to be so Great that the whole World "owes them in life" .....

[tihonmarine]

Quote: venik

They imagined themselves to be so Great that the whole World "owes them in life" .....

Only the greats don’t take alms, but give them themselves. But in Africa, even kings ask for alms.

[Alex777]

Imagine themselves so Great that the whole World "owes them in life"

This all reminds of an old anecdote about Lieutenant Rzhevsky, a young hussar and Rzhevsky's experience in seducing women:

- Lieutenant! For this you can get in the face!
- Available. Or maybe a ride ...

[venik]

Quote: Alex777

This all reminds of an old anecdote about Lieutenant Rzhevsky, a young hussar and Rzhevsky's experience in seducing women:
- Lieutenant! For this you can get in the face!
- Available. Or maybe a ride ...

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I've heard a slightly different (more bawdy) version:
"... Sometimes they beat ... But sometimes ..... ) ....
But still:

[Alex777]

I heard a slightly different (more obscene) version

I heard her too.
But for me, one warning, for comparing one wise guy with a cartoon character, is enough.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

One? You're a saint! :)

[Alex777]

Not long ago I was. Now like everyone else.

[paul3390]

But me and one warning

Huh! I have six ..

[venik]

Quote: Alex777

I heard her too. wink
But for me, one warning, for comparing one wise guy with a cartoon character, is enough.

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Alexander! I have so many of them (warnings) ... But they still haven't kicked them out of the site ...
Although sometimes I really want to explain to some "idiot", "WHAT exactly" I think about him ..... BUT! Inevitably, you become a "diplomat"!
PS By the way: I have one classmate who became a diplomat! Once at a meeting of classmates, they got to talking and he explained that there is the art of diplomacy: "...This is to be able to explain to a clinical idiot that he is a "clinical" idiot, but in such a way that he would not be offended and could not sue for insult! ..."

[Alex777]

Inevitably, you become a "diplomat"!

Great patience is needed for that.
I prefer not to pay attention.

[venik]

Quote: Alex777

Inevitably, you become a "diplomat"!

Great patience is needed for that.
I prefer not to pay attention.

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On that and stand!

[Alex777]

On that and stand!

[Starover_Z]

Kiev has named its claims for compensation for the completion of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline.

Interesting Ukrainian Wishlist! Download resources through them to PAY FOR THE TRANSIT,
and they themselves are going to build a bypass high-voltage power transmission line in the south of the Odessa region, so as not to pay for the transit of electricity through lines belonging to MOLDOVA!
How shoud I understand this ?! Work on the manuals of the overseas regional committee ?!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Starover_Z

How shoud I understand this ?! Work on the manuals of the overseas regional committee ?!

Rather, according to the "Popandopulo manual" from the movie.

[Reserve buildbat]

This is just a "we fucked up and you have to guarantee us clean underpants" style. As always

[Akuzenka]

Kiev has named its claims for compensation for the completion of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline.

I also want to name my claims for compensation for my losses from Ukraine. As a plenipotentiary representative of the Russian Federation (citizen), I demand from her compensation for moral damage from the fact that I cannot go to my relatives for 7 years and drink vodka, eat bacon (tasty, rustic). In this regard, I demand: self-liquidation of the Bandera government in Ukraine and leave with his associates to Poland. And to leave Ukraine to us !!!!! We will build a new USSR there, to the envy of all the bourgeoisie.

[Anatoly 288]

D u r and to the dummy is getting rich!

[Peak]

Quote: man in the street

The list of what Ukraine intends to receive was announced by Olga Stefanishina, Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration of Ukraine.

- Three tape recorders, three foreign movie cameras, three domestic cigarette cases, a suede jacket ... three ...

And they are still fighting for the honorary title of "home of high culture of everyday life! ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: PiK

And they are still fighting for the honorary title of "home of high culture of everyday life! ...

The toilet must first be built in the yard, and "not to the corn" to walk.

[Peak]

Quote: tihonmarine

The toilet must first be built in the yard, and "not to the corn" to walk.

But how romantic - "I sit in the corn and I wonder "

[tihonmarine]

Quote: PiK

"I'm sitting in corn and guessing"

... whatever I hit, whatever I don't fly, what no one gives me dollars.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

We forgot about lapukha ... Without a lapukha, no way.)))))

[Egoza]

Quote: man in the street

The list of what Ukraine intends to receive was announced by Olga Stefanishina, Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration of Ukraine.
Have you tried to create something yourself?

And when I re-read the requirements, I remember T.G. Shevchenko, who was going to marry a girl three times his age, and she ran away from him with another. So he managed to take his gifts from her - boots, coat, monisto, in short, compensated for the moral damage. It is not for nothing that Ukrainians respect the poet so much, even though he wrote himself down in the questionnaires as a Little Russian! He was exactly Ukrainian!

[Silver bullet]

The answer of Europeans to slaves will be something like this

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Egoza

It is not for nothing that Ukrainians respect the poet so much, even though he wrote himself down in the questionnaires as a Little Russian! He was exactly Ukrainian!

So he was born in the Kiev province of the Russian Empire, and not in Galicia.

[Peak]

Quote: tihonmarine

So he was born in the Kiev province of the Russian Empire, and not in Galicia.

It would be interesting to find out from those who consider themselves Ukrainians from the central and southern regions of Ukraine, if they see the same Ukrainians in the Galicians as they do?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: PiK

Who considers themselves Ukrainians from the central and southern regions of Ukraine, do they see in the Galicians the same Ukrainians as they do?

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, they were taught for 30 years that they are Ukrainians like two drops of water.
Even if the Russians living in Ukraine believe that they are Ukrainians.

[Peak]

Quote: tihonmarine

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, they were taught for 30 years that they are Ukrainians like two drops of water.
Even if the Russians living in Ukraine believe that they are Ukrainians.

Forgive me, but your data is not quite representative for me - you are not from Ukraine and cannot give an assessment at the everyday, "applied" level of communication.
I just remember during my service in the SA, how the "skhidnyaks" and "Banderas" formed different groups that had little contact with each other.
"Shidnyaks" for example were what is called "different from the Russian" quickly merged into the team, and those "Bandera" apart, closer to the command, are ready to break anything for themselves.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: PiK

Forgive me, but your data is not quite representative for me - you are not from Ukraine and cannot give an assessment at the everyday, "applied" level of communication.

You are right, I am judging by very small examples.
I had a sailor Kolya Ivanov from Kherson, he said that he was Ukrainian. I asked who his parents were and what language they speak at home, and it turned out they were born in Russia. I asked why he is Ukrainian, he said we are all Ukrainians who live in Ukraine. I answered him “I live in Estonia, am I Estonian then?” The answer surprised me “Only those who live in Ukraine are Ukrainians.” One aunt of my wife lives in Estonia, and her sister lives in Ukraine, and she also considers herself Ukrainian. Although it makes no difference who is who, we are one Slavic branch, and we need to hold on to each other, but not for the West, which is waiting for its entire existence when we start gnawing each other's throats, which the Nazis are already doing.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: PiK

and those "Bandera", apart, closer to the command, are ready to break anything for themselves.

The cunning, crushed the "skhidnyaks" under themselves, and they did not even have time to blink an eye.

[Peak]

Quote: tihonmarine

The cunning, crushed the "skhidnyaks" under themselves, and they did not even have time to blink an eye.

The most "skhidnye", as you can see, could not.

The guts turned out to be thin against the laboring Donbass.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: PiK

The most "skhidnye", as you can see, could not.

The guts turned out to be thin against the laboring Donbass.

Yes, the people there are iron, and they have always been Russia, there it smells of Russia.

[Finches]

The whole Ukrainian essence: "I want a cake! I want ice cream! I want ...! Yes, more!" The GTS was built by the USSR, which they banned, Russia is producing gas ... And what does Ukraine have to do with it ??

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Finches

"And ice cream! Yes, more!"

And the belly will not crack !!!

[knn54]

-Andrey: Have you tried to create something yourself?
If they invested in OWN loot, the "kids" would have nothing to buy drugs in elite taverns.
For six months, Naftogaz of Ukraine (despite the fact that gas tariffs almost tripled in two years) has already caused a loss to the country by UAH 19 billion.
Under Azarov, the office brought tangible profits to the state.
SP-2 differs in that no one needs to pay for transit.
Europe knows how to count money.
And why are there NO claims for Turkish Stream for Turkey and Erdogan ???

[tihonmarine]

Quote: knn54

And why are there NO claims for Turkish Stream for Turkey and Erdogan ???

They will make claims to Erdogan, the Sultan will block the straits for Ukraine (he will always find a reason).

[Atlant-1164]

why shouldn't Kiev complain to Sportloto?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Atlant-1164

why shouldn't Kiev complain to Sportloto?

That "Sportloto", that the "league of sexual minorities" - all the same, let them complain.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Have you tried to create something yourself?

Not even sho-o-ro-o-hee-i are heard in the garden ...

[SKVichyakow]

Please announce the entire list of your Wishlist, gentlemen, Ukrainians. Don't miss anything.

[Incvizitor]

They will give us, they will build us, they owe us! Themselves a complete zero and never will be.

[Fedor M]

Well, as they did not try, they dug the sea. And they poured the Carpathians, the soil had to be put somewhere

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: man in the street

Have you tried to create something yourself?

Why are you so naive: they did not jump in order to on their live.
In general, I'm interested in where a generation so close came from: if the 404s are integrated, then first of all in European prices, and you have to pay for everything ...

[askort154]

... Kiev sent its claims for compensation to Brussels seven months ago, but has not received a response so far.

There were shortages of toilet paper in Brussels.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: askort154

There were shortages of toilet paper in Brussels.

Now it is clear why the fan pipes in Brussels are clogged, there is no toilet paper, but they use napkins.

[neri73-r]

And hu-hu, not ho-ho, gentlemen hohlodrans?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: neri73-r

And hu-hu, not ho-ho, gentlemen hohlodrans?

The people became not teachable - they do not serve.

[cniza]

guarantee the conclusion of new contracts for the pumping of gas under a trilateral contract.

Do not cease to amaze ...

[Mouse]

Do not cease to amaze ...

In my opinion ... they are no longer surprising, as usual on the knurled everything ...

[Russ]

But in the meantime, I count each ruble,
I try not to overpay twice
Maybe one day he will hit me on the tower
And my trunk will be covered in pieces of paper

Give me money, give me money
Give me money, give me money
Give me money, give me money
Give money, give money ...

[cniza]

Quote: Mouse

Do not cease to amaze ...

In my opinion ... they are no longer surprising, as usual on the knurled everything ...

They manage, with their unique naivety and obstinacy in the queue for a freebie ...

[Mouse]

firstly, not naivety, but arrogance
secondly, the more they get bored, the less attention ...
well, and thirdly, the powerful of the world will simply not notice their indignant squeak ...

[cniza]

Quote: Mouse

firstly, not naivety, but arrogance

Impudence in action , and in thoughts and plans naivety ...

[Terenin]

Quote: cniza

Quote: Mouse

Do not cease to amaze ...

In my opinion ... they are no longer surprising, as usual on the knurled everything ...

They manage, with their unique naivety and obstinacy in the queue for a freebie ...

Ukrainian geologists discovered a large oil field on the territory of their country, however, the development of its reserves turned out to be extremely difficult: as it turned out, oil moves through the territory at high speed and along iron pipes.

[cniza]

Laughter laughter, but that's exactly what they think - the gas must always go through their territory ...

[Terenin]

Quote: cniza

Laughter laughter, but that's exactly what they think - the gas must always go through their territory ...

That's rightly summed up in KONT

Now let's try to interpret this evidence in the current geopolitical dynamics.
For the first time in recent years, the United States has failed to subordinate its junior partners to its will.
Germany, having completed all the ceremonial passes and protocol squats in front of the sovereign, showed such perseverance in defending its own interests that it saved the project.
Russia has shown that it is able to play for a long time in the implementation of large-scale economic projects that change the political alignments in Europe and the world.
Ukraine got what it deserved - it was not forgotten, but it was not given either status or fortune. Kiev even began to hysteria and threaten to go to China from lack of money and resentment ...

[cniza]

Why was given the status - kneeling ...

[Mouse]

Ukrainian geologists are like British scientists?

[Egoza]

Quote: Mouse

Ukrainian geologists are like British scientists?

You are wrong. In reality, Ukraine has gas reserves to provide for the population, but there is no longer enough for industry. In previous years, all of our own gas was sold to production workers, and to the population - "at European prices" for "reverse transit" Yes, there is practically no production now, but I want money - hence the dance.

[Mouse]

Quote: Egoza

In fact, Ukraine has gas reserves to provide the population,

but ... somewhere deep ... inside ... very deep ...

[Terenin]

Quote: Mouse

Ukrainian geologists are like British scientists?

Well, yes, they are those who have established that Russian spies poison Boris Johnson with a secret gas "do.rachok"

[Hagalaz]

Maybe not surprising. But on the sopatka to call in straight, hands are itching ...
I am a peaceful person, so this is a rhetorical statement.

[Terenin]

Quote: Hagalaz

Maybe not surprising. But on the sopatka to call in straight, hands are itching ...
I am a peaceful person, so this is a rhetorical statement.

A very soft, objective statement in the current situation.

[Pamir]

The masters were found (not all of them, of course) in other people's bins to wield playful hands, and with a desire to profit from someone else's goods.

[carstorm 11]

Yes, you seem to have already been answered) a new contract only if there is a benefit for us and attractive conditions))) Quite specifically) It would be better, instead of blackmail, they thought out a strategy for how to give them to clowns. They demanded a pancake)

[Pessimist22]

They demand pumping of gas and money for transit, from a country with which they have been at war for 7 years and which, according to them, threatens all of Europe.

[carstorm 11]

I stopped looking for logic in 404 a long time ago. In my opinion, this is the same as trying to understand a schizophrenic.

[DMoroz]

With regard to country 404, Uncle Fyodor's dad was wrong when he said that everyone only gets sick with the flu, but they go crazy one by one ...

[Mountain shooter]

Didn't get an answer?
The Deputy Prime Minister stressed that Kiev sent its claims for compensation to Brussels seven months ago, but still has not received a response ...
Yes, he is just so obscene that they were ashamed to send him ...

[Sergey Obraztsov]

Yes, they just got by with one well-known gesture at the temple :)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The Deputy Prime Minister stressed that Kiev sent its claims for compensation to Brussels seven months ago, but has not received a response so far.

Seven months ago, we asked "Give alms to the servants of God", but why is everyone silent, is it really so hard "to help us dollars."

[Troll]

Sad .. Everyone around them owes them. But they cannot guess, reduce costs and offer competitive prices.
And of course you need to invest in repairs, but why? "Abroad will help us" (c)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Troll

And of course you need to invest in repairs, but why? "Abroad will help us"

That's why the whole calculation, "and suddenly there are stupid and at their own expense, make repairs, and even give guarantees." Why do all Ukrainians consider themselves smarter than others, when everyone can see that stupidity is at the level of insanity.

[Mouse]

Kiev sent its claims for compensation to Brussels seven months ago, but has still not received a response.

Wait for an answer ... wait for an answer ... wait for an answer ....

[Clear]

Quote: Mouse

Kiev sent its claims for compensation to Brussels seven months ago, but has still not received a response.

Wait for an answer ... wait for an answer ... wait for an answer ....

Stirlitz was waiting for an answer, and his turn was waiting for Stirlitz.

[Mouse]

Greetings! wait shorter .....

[Moskovit]

Immortal is remembered.

I caught Jew Ukrainian goldfish.
The fish says: - Let me out, I will fulfill your three wishes!
Ukrainian: - I want a villa by the ocean, one hundred million in a bank account,
beautiful blonde. This time ..

[Avior]

On the first point, the Germans quite officially agreed with the Americans - there will be no transit through Ukraine - there will be no SP2.
It is not clear how the second point can be included in such an agreement, it has no direct relationship.
And on the third, it is a matter of time, everything goes to this and so Ukraine's wishes have nothing to do with it, this is required by the EU itself.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Avior

On the first point, the Germans quite officially agreed with the Americans - there will be no transit through Ukraine - there will be no SP2

There is a very small nuance ... but how much of this transit? And how much ...
Naturally, after 24 years ...

[Avior]

The very fact of a compulsory transit agreement gives Ukraine advantages in concluding a contract, as you understand.
Surely, in due time we will hear statements that it is unprofitable for Ukraine to pump below a certain volume and a certain price. They are still there, as far as I understand. That is, below certain limits, Ukraine will not conclude a contract.
And then the options - either the Germans will abandon this requirement of the agreement, which will untie the hands of the Americans from Congress regarding the sanctions against SP2, or the case will be considered in the Stogolm Arbitration, for example, regarding the profitability and profitability of the contract for Ukraine and the conditions that will actually prevail on the moment of the conclusion of the contract, including taking into account the costs of operating the Ukrainian gas transmission system.
The Americans and the Germans have another important point in the agreement - not to use gas to put pressure on Ukraine. That is, it will not be possible to simply pay for transit, and in fact not let gas in, disrupting the operation of the Ukrainian GTS, or simply disassemble the pipes at the input under the guise of repair or something else.

[Maikcg]

do not use gas to pressure Ukraine

In translation, this is to completely remove the pressure in the main pipes in the direction of Ukraine.

[carstorm 11]

There is one such small problem) Gazprom began dismantling pipes and stations on the border with 404 a year and a half ago or so) What was the next hysteria in Kiev))) now the thesis is a little different not less than the volume of profitability and Gazprom's capabilities even to give these volumes)) ) But you are generally a true Ukrainian) You don’t want to understand that the losses of Germany in case of abandoning the joint venture 2 will be higher than the whole ruin will be wholesale) The advantages in negotiations are certainly good. But each side is looking for its own benefit) Gazprom will refuse to push through 404 minus. He is somehow reluctant to become a sponsor of the state of Ukraine))) What they said just the other day. The pumping will be only if tasty conditions are offered)

[Avior]

Do not want to understand that the loss of Germany in case of abandonment of the joint venture 2 is higher than the whole ruin will be wholesale)

Your imagination has run wild.
So far there is no SP2 and no losses to Germany have been observed.
And then suddenly the world will go.
The Americans reached an agreement with the Germans without asking the Kremlin or Ukraine.
And only a very naive person thinks that for the sake of Gazprom, the Germans will throw the Americans and substitute them for full-fledged sanctions, which, by the way, will not cost the Americans a dime.

[carstorm 11]

Well hello) Gas consumption is growing. Replace it with what?) And Germany needs it very much. Buy liquefied at spot prices this year?))) This is already a loss. Companies that have invested in it will require a forfeit. Also losses. This is already billions. Agreed, yes. Just what? What will Germany contribute to the new contract? Sorry, but this is not to sign it. Of course, Americans will not be thrown) well, I didn’t shmogla) I didn’t shmogla) Or, like the last time at 40) Understand where the money begins, the interests of Ukraine end. No one in their right mind will incur billions of dollars in losses for her sake) this is not my fantasy. This is an economic reality. They will give you 100 million for green energy. You will plunder them and this will be the end of it. And the sanctions that the states are already slapping as always in the Russian Federation are of little concern.

[Avior]

Consumption rises and falls, no problem is observed.
From whom are you going to demand a penalty? From Gazprom, perhaps ....

[carstorm 11]

From what? Gazprom does not close anything, does not slow down and always fulfills the contract. To ask from Germany as from someone who will interfere with the implementation of a purely economic project. This has already been announced and Germany is not going to allow this. What has been said hundreds of times. The problem is just being observed. 400 bucks her name is. Long term contracts gooooo much cheaper.

[Avior]

The problem is that in the United States there is a strong party of those who are ready to take full-fledged sanctions against buyers and insurers.
And everyone knows this very well.
Therefore, the Germans signed the agreement.
Refuse to do - the Germans will cost dearly

[carstorm 11]

For God's sake. Everybody will have losses, but the biggest losses are for the Germans. Everybody will be happy there. The storages are empty, gas must be taken somewhere. Lyapota.

[Avior]

Summer is in full swing, you don't need a lot of gas
Let's wait and see if the Germans are ready to fulfill the agreement with the Americans.
And the stories that Gazprom will stop gas supplies to Germany are from the realm of fantasy, it is pointless to discuss

[carstorm 11]

Well, we have arrived) The hot weather in Europe forces us to constantly use air conditioners. Gas-fired power plants are increasing their capacity. The demand for blue fuel is growing, as is the price: quotations have already soared to a three-year high. Plus, do they think they want to fill the storages in winter?) So sanctions, have you forgotten?) Restrictions on the purchase) Germany is eager for them))) Have you forgotten what they agreed with the states?)

[Okolotochny]

Don't write Nonsense - arbitration is present when the parties have signed the contract. And at least one of the parties is not satisfied with its performance by the other. And if there is no signed transit agreement, then what kind of Stockholm? Don't wishful thinking. Better answer why the President of Ukraine (a Jew by nationality, whose grandfather was a front-line soldier and fought against Nazism) shouts out Bandera slogans. And why do you, a resident of Israel, support him?

[Avior]

If there is a conflict over prices, then one way or another there will be some kind of arbitration body to analyze the compliance of the parties' requirements with market rules. Then it will be clear whether the Germans fulfill their obligations or Ukraine demands too much.?

And what does Bandera slogans have to do with it?
Fascism in Ukraine is officially prohibited by law, in fact, on another thread I quoted a quote of how the authorities reacted to children who played computer games.
And where did you read that I support Zelensky?

[Okolotochny]

Once again - Arbitration only when the parties have signed an agreement. When is there no contract? Russia says go to the Forest. And that's all, Ales Kaput. On what basis can one be forced? What is the arbitration body? The seller does not want to sell the product. Market. Or is it not so in Israel? When Russia, then the general principles on board?

[Avior]

this is if you do not take into account the agreement between the Germans and the Americans.
An arbitration decision may be needed if the Germans declare that Ukraine is not setting market requirements.
Otherwise, the Americans will be able to view the position of the Germans as a rejection of the agreement.

[cniza]

Quote: Avior

On the first point, the Germans quite officially agreed with the Americans - there will be no transit through Ukraine - there will be no SP2.

You believe in it, it was written for the horses and then for a while, and then additional conditions will emerge, it turns out that Russia did not sign this and nothing can be done with it, well, that sort of thing ...

[Avior]

Signed by the Germans, and this is their commitment to the States.
Biden's position on launching SP2, subject to transit through Ukraine, is not the only one in the United States; there is also a serious group in Congress that is ready to adopt such sanctions against SP2 that will block its work, for example, against gas buyers.
But they need a reason to impose such sanctions, it is not easy to make such a decision, a lot is tied. And the refusal of the Germans to abide by the agreement with the States is an excuse. Therefore, I doubt that the Germans will withdraw from the agreement, they do not need it.

[cniza]

Quote: Avior

Therefore, I doubt that the Germans will withdraw from the agreement, they do not need it.

The Germans, yes, and the United States?

And the refusal of the Germans to abide by the agreement with the States is an excuse.

They have reasons above the roof, and on this issue they have run out of sanctions ...

Signed by the Germans, and this is their commitment to the States.

That's nice, but Russia doesn't want to ...

[rocket757]

He said a lot of things there ... the question is what they will actually do.
They are not interested in the signatories there, nothing but their own interests.
BIG uncles, aunts, AGREED ... as usual it happens !!! This has already reached the majority, there are still people who are slow-witted or who are not able to understand anything at all, or think about anything ... they are worse off.

[cniza]

Of course, everyone decided their interests, but about Ukraine - well, support in words ...

[rocket757]

Wasted, how much in vain, they do not want ... just a tuft of wool from a black sheep, they already do not like it.

[cniza]

Yes, now there will be a tug-of-war, and on whom everyone will hang ...

[rocket757]

Freebies to get their hands on, those who want to always have .... at the expense of spending money, with an unknown result, wanting dumb, now.

[cniza]

Here is the wishlist of the horses, this is just a freebie, but who will give it to them ...

[rocket757]

They were told many times, specifically, that they had to work ... they didn't get it.
The diagnosis is clear, it must be treated.

[cniza]

Well, yes, to work, as in a joke - what if there’s a war, and I’m tired ...

[Okolotochny]

And here we must take into account one more point - for whom is the transit? Now (I think) contracts will be signed with consumers from the Turkish Stream, from the second Northern Stream. What will remain from the Ukrainian pipe ??? Slovakia, maybe Hungary. Who else? Germany (the main consumer) 99% will "feed" from the Nordic streams, its firms are one of the co-owners and stupidly cheaper. So it turns out that there will be no one to drive 50-60 yards of cubes a year through Ukraine.

[rocket757]

Superfluous flows will not be, for a long time.
Any alternative efforts, so far, are noticeably more expensive, and even not stable.
It is clear that the time will come and .... will not be needed, only when will it be ???

[cniza]

There would be enough for everyone, but the Ukrainian GTS requires a lot of repairs ...

[rocket757]

There brains, common sense in the daytime with fire can not be found ...

[cniza]

Oh, if brains could be repaired, heaven would be on earth ...

[Peak]

Quote: Avior

On the first point, the Germans quite officially agreed with the Americans - there will be no transit through Ukraine - there will be no SP2.

At the same time, leading experts agree that Germany will not comply with this part of the agreement.

JUST WILL NOT. (dot)

So, Avior, get ready for such consequences from the launch of the SP-2, to which your Maidan led.

[Avior]

Let's wait and see how the forecasts of the "leading experts" come true.

[Peak]

Quote: Avior

Let's wait and see how the forecasts of the "leading experts" come true.

Will see But you should stock up on firewood

This I, as NOT an EXPERT, recommend.

[Avior]

And this is not even a seven-year fiction about falling apart, I have been reading this mantra about firewood and freeze since 2009.
Change the record, heavily worn out.

[Peak]

Quote: Avior

And this is not even a seven-year fiction about falling apart, I have been reading this mantra about firewood and freeze since 2009.
Change the record, heavily worn out.

Take a look around And it will become clear to you that the situation is changing, and not in favor of your power.
Accents, priorities , and Participants the process of dismantling the Maidan Ukraine already others .

Can't you see? Sorry. But, as they say - "There will be a surprise."

I do not just highlight the words.

I will add - It is appropriate to use the expression here Checkmate

[ultra]

And where will they get the gas from if there is no sp2?

[Peak]

Quote: ultra

And where will they get the gas from if there is no sp2?

Avior did not think about this when he wrote:

Quote: Avior

On the first point, the Germans quite officially agreed with the Americans - there will be no transit through Ukraine - there will be no SP2.

But let's be condescending In Ukraine, they are not taught to analyze information so deeply and draw correct conclusions from it.

[Avior]

And before that, where did they get it from?

[ultra]

A contract up to 24 years, for example, Gazprom (Russia), will categorically refuse to extend. Considering the increase in supplies to Asia, it will be practically painless for us. How will Europe cover the gas shortage?

[Avior]

The gas that goes to Europe cannot be transported to Asia just like that. Not to mention the fact that no one will leave the European gas market.

[Peak]

Quote: Avior

And before that, where did they get it from?

Germans ? Gas?
From various sources, including Holland-Netherlands (the deposit has dried up), from Norway and, naturally, from here.

In the absence of gas from the Netherlands, the throughput capacity of SP-1 and SP-2 will just compensate for such a decrease, but if all our gas is cut off, the Germans will be left with practically nothing, taking into account their needs.

Therefore, what they decided there, they dictated in Washington about pressure on us through the joint venture-2, it is untenable.

The Germans cannot afford such recklessness.
It is easier for them to tear you apart with us (I didn’t say too much?).

[carstorm 11]

Yes it will, it will be))) 30-40) Your naphtha will still be in the red as usual) just 5 years ago it was 80) all the same, as usual, you will gobble up everything. What's the funniest thing is that the companies that take part in the joint venture 2 take part in the claims of the German government, in which case they will be so annoyed that they will not seem a little and Merkel knows it) she just doesn't care. The other will handle it)

[Maikcg]

there will be no transit in Ukraine - there will be no SP2

.. there will be no gas in Deutschland
This is how everything will be doooo, kaaneshna, Merkelikha gives a grudge that she will do exactly that for the sake of prosperity 404, and her German citizens will suck a buoy. We wait and believe.

[Avior]

Kindergarten. As it was before, so it will be

[common man]

Quote: Avior

On the first point, the Germans quite officially agreed with the Americans - there will be no transit through Ukraine - there will be no SP2.

Germans will refuse to buy gas? If there is a contract for the supply of gas and the opportunity to receive it through the SP-2, the Germans will say "Either we receive part of the gas through Ukraine, or we refuse gas at all"? Can this be?

[Peak]

Quote: man in the street

"Either we receive part of the gas through Ukraine, or are we giving up gas entirely?" Is that possible?

According to Ukraine, maybe ... Moreover, they are sure that it cannot be otherwise ...

[Avior]

We'll see. But in general, that is exactly what they agreed with the Americans about.
And how it really will look, it will be seen.

[Brturin]

Quote: Avior

And how it really will look, it will be seen.

Here it would still be to figure out what they did agree ... there are still a lot of opinions ...

Head of the Berlin Foundation. Heinrich Böll, the Green Party politician Ralph Fuchs, ...
The politician also criticized the fact that the German federal government rejected the US proposal "to include the so-called kill switch amendment in the permit for the operation of the gas pipeline: the latter would make it possible to interrupt gas supplies if the Kremlin" took any aggressive steps. " The fact that the text of the agreement is limited to lengthy language that does not impose any obligations on either Berlin or Washington, according to Fukes, "practically unties Putin's hands."
https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2021/07/23/ryadovye-nemcy-ne-hotyat-finansirovat-zelenuyu-energetiku-na-ukraine

[sifgame]

Well, it was Putin who said during his speech that transit would remain. There will be transit beggars, otherwise they have already gotten everyone, even overseas. Only small, so as not to whine.

[tihonmarine]

Secondly, Kiev should be provided with "guarantees" regarding territorial integrity and sovereignty, agreements in this area will not suit Ukraine.

The "medama" has an interesting logic, someone should give guarantees for someone else's gas, and even give "guarantees" to wage a civil war in Donbass.
And how can you demand guarantees for someone else's loaf when you yourself spit on this loaf.

[Terenin]

Quote: tihonmarine

Secondly, Kiev should be provided with "guarantees" regarding territorial integrity and sovereignty, agreements in this area will not suit Ukraine.

The "medama" has an interesting logic, someone should give guarantees for someone else's gas, and even give "guarantees" to wage a civil war in Donbass.
And how can you demand guarantees for someone else's loaf when you yourself spit on this loaf.

As they, with this logic, do not yet demand to recognize Russia as a terrorist state, since Russia supplies natural gas, which, as you know, is explosive.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Terenin

since Russia supplies natural gas, which is known to be explosive.

Moreover, the gas is toxic and poses a threat to the Svidomo population. Disorder.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Stupid Banderites do not understand that Russia did not build Nord Stream 2 in order to dictate transit conditions.

[prior]

Indeed, the conditions for Russia's transit are dictated not by Bandera, but by the Germans and the Americans. Moreover, they did not invite not only Bandera, but also Russia to conclude their deal on the joint venture-2.
For them, both Russia and Ukraine are colonies.
Question. What will the Kremlin answer to this?

[sifgame]

Who dictated to Russia? The Americans dictated a whole list to the Germans, so what? Now the Germans will have to negotiate with Russia, and not from a position of strength, but from the position of the beggar. You all messed up the colony here Germany tells her what to do, she takes on obligations that are impracticable, and Ukraine is no one at all in this showdown.

[Brturin]

Quote: prior

Question. What will the Kremlin answer to this?

And who in the EU this year is accused of half-empty storage facilities and high gas prices ... Oh ... Russia does not want to supply additional. volumes, but how to force it ... they themselves admit that contractual obligations are being fulfilled and there are no courts here ...
Caring for transit through Ukraine is one thing, but there is an option that the Poles will not be left with the volumes they hope for and who will take care of them ...

[Terenin]

Quote: prior

Moreover, they did not invite not only Bandera, but also Russia to conclude their deal on the joint venture-2.

What does it matter to us that they rub against each other?

Quote: prior

For them, both Russia and Ukraine are colonies.

Specify, whose colony is Russia?

Quote: prior

Question. What will the Kremlin answer to this?

Personally, the Kremlin has already tired of me with its tolerance and business interests towards Bandera's Ukraine.
For all their crimes against the Russian people, I wouldn't talk about gas at all. Not a gas molecule! And the introduction of real economic sanctions.

[prior]

They trite each other - the rules and volumes of our supplies (without us), tinder - obligatory deliveries and volumes through the Ukrainian pipe (without us, but we need it), tinder - the imposition of sanctions on Russia for deviations from their rules and schedules (to feed Ukraine transit at our expense, but we need it?).
And if we do not fulfill their grates for our gas, then there will be more sanctions.
Do you think this is not a colonial attitude towards the supplier country ?!
Yes, let them all there in Europe and Ukraine freeze! I will pierce an extra hole in the belt, tighten it tighter and that's all.
Freeze, crawl on their knees, beg for our gas, or let them turn their Texas into a lunar lifeless landscape, they have every right.

[Terenin]

Quote: prior

And if we do not fulfill their grates for our gas, then there will be more sanctions.
Do you think this is not a colonial attitude towards the supplier country ?!

Well, what have we got to do with it?

Quote: prior

Yes, let them all there in Europe and Ukraine freeze! I will pierce an extra hole in the belt, tighten it tighter and that's all.

The strap in Ukraine and in Europe around the neck of someone needs to be tightened, and there will be peace and harmony.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

What is there Germany and the United States are chatting to us without a difference, we are trading gas with the Germans, Nord Stream 2 is being completed and will be launched, and this is a fact and for Russia this is definitely a political and economic victory.

And what the Germans promised the United States or what they threatened them so that they would no longer impose their sanctions on Nord Stream 2, which is beneficial for Germany, is the business of the Germans themselves, we have nothing to negotiate with the United States about this.

And your logic is very strange.

The US wants to block gas trade between Russia and Europe in order to sell gas to Europe by itself !!!

Where does the colony come from ?!

And Russia should not be compared with Ukraine.

In Ukraine, the United States appoints presidents, governors and dismisses attorneys general as and when they want.

And Russia, judging by the statements from the US itself, decides who will be the next president of THEM))).

For now, let Biden))).

[exo]

The Deputy Prime Minister stressed that Kiev sent its claims for compensation to Brussels seven months ago, but has not received a response so far.

Your call is very important to us. Unfortunately, all operators are busy. The first released operator will answer you

[Docx2032]

Like that...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: DocX2032

Like that...

Russia's answer is something like this ...

[APASUS]

And what will they do (purely hypothetically) if they are sent to the EU. Will the entire industry be converted to dung?

[Peak]

Quote: APASUS

And what will they do (purely hypothetically) if they are sent to the EU. Will the entire industry be converted to dung?

For dung? Yes ! But not all, but only strategically important

[tralflot1832]

Miller answered yesterday, who needs gas in Europe through Ukraine, in turn, gentlemen, Gazprom will satisfy your Wishlist. And I have vague suspicions that only Slovakia is interested in this. Take gas. Let them follow the example of the United States, oil exporters are in the first place, or we or the Saudis. There is no politics, only business. And after the incident with SICH, the gas transportation system of the country is not needed by anyone. Really, the Soviet project Urengoy Pomary Uzhgorod will finally be buried by the descendants of the Ukrainian communists. And for some reason it pleases.

[Dzafdet]

Dreaming is not harmful. Especially to them. No transit after Stockholm's decision. It's time to close this non-state forever.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

on the coat of arms of Sumeria, you need to add a large inscription
"WE SHOULD ALL"

[Furious bambr]

And as in the old joke: - Ask for more. Fuck will be sent - it will not be so offensive

[demo]

At that moment, when "Tender May" appeared on the stage, an anegdote appeared.
A heavy rock fan is lying in bed. He drank heavily. His ceiling, walls and bed are shaking.
The mother is busy with her son.
Doesn't know what to do.
And then he says - Mom, put on "Tender May", maybe I will vomit!
For me, any mention of Ukraine and news, in the form of statements, arouses similar desires.

[rocket757]

In Kiev voiced

it is nothing and about nothing, in the understanding of others. With them is now the only way.

[AAC]

Even at the household level, it is clear that if you take away the income from the pipe, the budget will burst. And who needs a bankrupt Ukraine? There are no prospects to fill this gap in the near future. Thus, Ukraine turns into a mad figure on the chessboard. They will have two options: to attack the Russian Federation and surrender, or to attack the Russian Federation and involve any allies. It is clear that everything is bad with the allies, and while the multi-move is developing, it can be tricky. In the place of our diplomacy, I would calm down the pig, whose fate has been decided.

[Alexey RA]

The Deputy Prime Minister stressed that Kiev sent its claims for compensation to Brussels seven months ago, but has not received a response so far.

Well, finally, someone else owes them, besides Russia.

[sagitovich]

Oh, I can't wait for my uncle from across the ocean to flare up and bark that heads will fly! Said to be silent!

[Astra55]

Still, I am interested in the question, why did they decide that the United States and Germany owe them?

[Sasha1979]

Ukraine is Panikovsky.

[valera75]

The wildlings have completely run wild for 15 years, give them 50 lards. But what about Petro-konfetny squealing about the not washed Russia which he waved his claw and spoke more simply Russians? But what about the gas from the thief? And now they stomp their feet with their hands clap and demand that they Have you supplied Russian gas? Clowns!

[koramax81]

And thirdly, you need more money.

[Berg berg]

After reading Kuev's demands on the Nord Stream, the Russians culturally sent Kuev HA!

[Tarasios]

When I read such requirements, even the famous is immediately remembered:
Blah blah blah ... Kemska volost!
;)
I wanted to insert a piece of video here from YouTube, Duc swears for the copyright of Mosfilm.

[zenion]

It turns out that they dug not only the Black Sea, but also the Baltic Sea. And since the laying goes along the bottom of the sea that they dug up, they require satisfaction, otherwise they can bury it again.