To whom is check, and to whom is checkmate? View from the other side

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Passions in previous materials about the new prototype on our pages flared up serious. Unfortunately, many readers are not able to understand the difference between a test mock and a real aircraft. And ahead of time they began (as always, however) to celebrate the victory in a hurray-style. Although no one gave a reason for this. According to all statements from both Rostec and Rosoboronexport, the aircraft is aimed at a foreign buyer. This is hinted at by the English-language name.

So, the public was shown a prototype prototype of a promising single-engine fighter. Nothing has been said about the engine yet. It is not yet clear what the plane will fly on.



Naturally, experts and specialists around the world carefully sucked every byte of information they could find. This is normal. And, I must say, many of the preliminary calculations turned out to be quite correct.

OKB "Sukhoi" provided information on a number of characteristics of the prototype:
- the maximum take-off weight reaches 18 tons;
- maximum combat load - 7,4 tons;
- maximum speed - Mach 1,8;
- maximum ceiling - 16,5 km;
- range of action - 2 800 km;
- combat radius - 1 km.

The 16-ton thrust vectoring engine can provide a fairly short take-off on a runway of up to 400 meters.

All these figures are based on preliminary calculations. They do not yet have practical confirmation, as the aircraft does not have an engine.

But there are things that do not depend on calculations.

For example, at the request of the customer, the aircraft can be transformed into an unmanned aerial vehicle or a two-seater aircraft. Deck modification is possible.

Armament. The aircraft has three built-in armament bays, which can accommodate 5 air-to-air missiles (three medium-range and two short-range). The main bomb bay of the aircraft can carry various ammunition, including high-precision ammunition, plus the aircraft will have nodes for the external suspension of weapons.


The developers have so far refused to place the air cannon on the plane.

As for the configuration of electronic equipment, the aircraft will carry radar with an active phased antenna array, an onboard optical-electronic detection, recognition and measurement system 101KS and an integrated electronic warfare system.

The aircraft will cost about $ 25-30 million.

What else did the experts see. A non-return air intake (DSI) and rudders and elevators, located at an angle like the F-35, indicate a small radar signature. And a large wing for such a short fighter can mean either the possibility of a deck-based fighter, or a high ceiling. Or both.

A large wing increases vertical thrust and allows the aircraft to climb above a similar structure with a smaller wing. This is logical, this is aerodynamics. The downside is that the large wing slows down the aircraft somewhat and reduces the top speed.

The extra thrust is a clear plus for a naval fighter that takes off and lands on the deck of an aircraft carrier. Here you can consider the variant of the F-35 of the US Navy. The deck F-35C has a wing almost one and a half times larger than the ground-based F-35A. The large wing helps the F-35C take off with the carrier's steam catapults.

Well, yes, a fighter with a large wing takes off higher, sees farther, has advantages in terms of radar operation, range weapons... A high-flying fighter sees and fires further than a low-flying one.

It was not for nothing that Lockheed-Martin charged its F-22 fighter to operate "at an altitude of over 15 meters." The actual ceiling can be up to 200 meters.

It turns out that the "Sukhoi Mat", as the plane has already been nicknamed in the West, involves the use of the plane at high altitudes. By the way, flying at high altitudes gives an advantage in terms of flight range. Considering the frankly modest size of Mata Sukhoi, it can be assumed that the aircraft will have a small amount of fuel.

The Americans at The Drive noted that the initially leaked data and images were "accidentally leaked" while the prototype was still under wraps. And so many of these data and photographs were "leaked" that made it possible to draw conclusions about a well-organized PR campaign.

The War Zone generally openly congratulates Rostec and UAC on well-planned PR moves.


But the figure of $ 30 million seems overly optimistic to the Americans. They remember that when Lockheed Martin were able to bring the cost of their F-35 below $ 80 million, it was perceived as a kind of victory. How a better plane can be obtained for half the money is not understood in the United States.

The Americans also have doubts about the statements in the Russian press with the filing of the same Rostec regarding "artificial intelligence support for the pilot." Firstly, it is completely unclear how this will be implemented, and secondly, in general, it raises doubts that Russia has advanced so far. In the USA, work has been going on for a long time in the field of AI, such as “digital co-pilots,” but it is still very far from any significant result.

The Western media noted the aggressive attitude of Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, who announced that significant research had been carried out on the Asian, African market and the interests of long-term partners of India and Vietnam, and the figure of 300 aircraft that Rostec plans to produce in 15 years, starting from 2026 years is a very real figure based on preliminary agreements.

Yes, the prototype design became the main topic of the MAKS air show, and it offers several very interesting and intriguing solutions, but among Western experts, many point to the main weak point of the prototype. In order to actually enter the market after real flights, Russia has no money. Therefore, the future of the prototype directly depends on whether Russia will find not potential, but real buyers who can use their money to become a practical aircraft for the project.

Russia really needs a rich customer who will help Mata Sukhoi take off with his money. If this does not happen, then the new prototype can easily repeat the more than dubious success of the Su-57, which is present in the Russian Aerospace Forces in the amount of one copy.

It is possible to flaunt the concluded contracts for the supply of the Su-57 for the Aerospace Forces, but it is worth talking about the place of the Russian fifth generation fighters only after the implementation of these contracts. Accordingly, if Russia can take the next step and carry out the first flight of the aircraft in 2023, then commercial success will be quite possible. If not, the project may not “take off”, because its place will be taken by potential competitors from China, Turkey, South Korea and other countries who would not give up their share in the world market for such aircraft.

In addition to the lack of money in the proper amount, the second problem in the West is the problem of the engine.

The power plant according to the plan should have a capacity of 14 to 16 tons. With such an engine, the new aircraft would really climb high in the world rankings. But there is no such engine in Russia at present. There is only the AL-41F1, which is temporarily used in the power plant of the Su-57 and is likely to be “temporarily” used in the design of the new aircraft.

"Product 30", which has been promised for so long in Russia, is still in the "indefinite" status. If this engine has exactly the characteristics that were voiced by Rostec, then the plane will be able to take off high enough. If not, the alignment may not be at all what Russia is counting on.

Also, information was not disclosed about what kind of active phased array radar the aircraft will be equipped with. There is no data on what electronic warfare systems will arm the aircraft.

It is clear that Rostec is counting on its rather bright PR campaign today and the low cost of the plane tomorrow. The strong point of Russian companies is a fairly well-functioning after-sales service system, which is also an additional factor in attracting potential customers.

Apparently, the simplicity of maintenance and operation, like that of Soviet and Russian fourth-generation aircraft, will be another positive bonus of the new aircraft.

So, the American, Chinese, British experts examined the layout of the new aircraft very well. And laid out all the poles and minuses.

Pros:
- simplicity and reliability, which is generally inherent in Russian aircraft;
- theoretically very high performance characteristics;
- impressive bomb bay;
- the versatility and versatility of the design, the possibility of using it as a marine or unmanned aircraft;
- a good set of weapons.

Cons:
- lack of an engine that will provide the declared performance characteristics;
- lack of money for revision and serial production;
- the lack of plans to put the aircraft into service in Russia, which will not have a positive effect on the promotion of the aircraft on the world market.

To date, the program is funded by the Russian budget, but since it was not officially announced that this aircraft will find its place in the Russian Air Force, an active search for investors is underway to launch production for export. The only thing that can positively affect the progress of the aircraft is several statements by Russian officials that it is possible to adopt an unmanned version of this aircraft into service.

In general, the shown layout theoretically has both positive and negative properties. It is difficult to say what will outweigh, in any case, it is worth returning to this topic after the model turns into a prototype and makes its first flight.

After all, it is then that it will become clear who is check and who is checkmate.
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  1. +1
    25 July 2021 03: 59
    ***
    "Ugly planes don't fly" ...
    ***
    1. +32
      25 July 2021 04: 24
      When there is no money, no engine, no customer, beautiful airplanes do not fly either.
      For the second week, people are sucking on the news of PR people ... but money was found for PR ... it remains to find money for an airplane and a new engine ... we are waiting.
      1. +23
        25 July 2021 09: 04
        To date, the program is funded by the Russian budget

        Where is this from? After all, it is clearly stated that the machine is still being developed at the expense of the KB's own funds. It looks like the author just povyhvyvali quotes from different publications, including foreign and blinded something just to cut some money. And why is the product status 30 "not certain"? The tests are being carried out according to plan both on the ground and in the air. No money? So it is mainly completed from the S-70 and Su-57 units. It means that you don't need a lot of money, although it is not superfluous to frighten foreign investors. For the development of the civilian sector of the aviation industry, they requested 1,8 TRILLION rubles. Not with a hangover.

        PS Skomorokhov drops the site to the level of Military Parity with his Russophobe Lenya the reindeer breeder.
        1. +9
          25 July 2021 10: 29
          Quote: URAL72
          PS Skomorokhov drops the site to the level of Military Parity with his Russophobe Lenya the reindeer breeder.

          "Lenya the reindeer breeder" is really an enchanting personality on the open spaces of the Russian Internet among military sites, with these I completely agree. As for Skomorokhov, he declares
          So to the public showed a prototype prototype of a promising single-engine fighter. Nothing has been said about the engine yet. It is not yet clear what the plane will fly on.
          from which it follows that the author does not know at all whether the model was shown to us, because this development is secret, and it is possible that this prototype will never fly at all. From my experience I know that with serious R&D more than one model can be created, which is shown to the customer, which is why I am not embarrassed by a PR campaign, this is a necessary business. And what confuses me is that the layout and equipment of the cockpit will never be shown in the media while the product is in development and is not put into service. That is why the question arises whether we were shown, although such a prototype at the exhibition is best suited to assess the real demand, and for us it is a big plus in any case, even if there is no buyer.
          1. +4
            25 July 2021 15: 45
            He knows all that, I think (even sure), but for some reason he presents it in this light ... sad
            And claims that we were shown a layout:
            ... the prototype was shown to the public ...

            In general, the shown layout ...

            This is an amazing quality of scribblers and suckers, when any news appears, immediately present your information.хprofessional opinion.
            And about the fact that the car is being developed at the expense of the KB's own funds, too, not everything is so simple. I met mentions that a country was found (but without specifying its name), which showed interest in the project and willingness to finance it. Maybe besides me, someone else came across this information? And if I'm wrong, it's a little sad that even one of the leading design bureaus is starting a very interesting and promising development with their meager funds! am
            Happy Navy Day everyone!
            1. +1
              25 July 2021 16: 24
              Quote: alystan
              And claims that we were shown a layout:

              I don’t know the degree of readiness of Chickmate, but I don’t think that Sukhoi is full of idiots who decided to disgrace themselves all over the world by presenting a widely advertised fake-dummy. And those who scold him ... Well, they have such a task! lol
        2. -2
          26 July 2021 15: 04
          URAL72. Now everything is clear. We handed over all the bottles of vodka, beer, wine and oil, and it just happened on a small fighter. Let no one there smoke and light matches, plywood burns quickly. It would be better made of plasticine. The plasticine crow flies, I saw it myself.
          1. +1
            26 July 2021 16: 00
            Have you been to MAX? Swear by rolls that it is made of plywood? You maydanutye until now the Crimean Bridge cannot see, how can you tell the difference between a model and a prototype. But there is no need to get upset, the test of weapons systems will be carried out over Kiev. Very soon.
            1. -1
              3 August 2021 15: 19
              URAL72. You reminded me of the Bulgarian film "The Golden Tooth". There, a thief wanted to rob a bandit whose name was Golden Tooth. He went out to smoke and the thief followed him. Then the thief pulled out a knife, and the Golden Tooth hit him lightly on the head with his fist and the thief passed out. After a while he woke up and asks - I scared you great. Very cool, I already thought that I accidentally killed you. Remember my words - I hit twice, once on the forehead, the second time on the lid of the coffin. When will you bomb? Is the prototype a type that is against it?
      2. -22
        25 July 2021 09: 13
        No engine, no AFAR, no avionics, no money ... But what is there? As usual, there is a layout, promises and unsubstantiated optimism, and of course, "jingle bells", notebooks, "popular" patriots. Well, - "Russia forward!", "Look how we can!", "Again push ... himself!" ... lol
        1. +20
          25 July 2021 09: 32
          or maybe with political slogans - somewhere on a political website?
          What does it mean - no engine? For testing (and not only) the AL-41 with its afterburner thrust of 15 tons is quite enough, and then the edition 30 will do. Or do you have secret information that it will not be reported? The first prototypes of the T-10 were also tested with the AL-21, and this is normal.
          AFAR - there is a small series of Su-57, which means the same AFAR. No avionics - it's about nothing at all. What kind of avionics do you mean specifically?
          1. -27
            25 July 2021 10: 03
            Yes. "There is". Yes Only there is no plane. Not at all. At all! Together with the engine, AFAR, the notorious avionics and more. And there is an empty layout. laughing And yes, you forgot to add that the money, too, has ..... the colonels of the State Traffic Safety Inspectorate. Yes
        2. +7
          25 July 2021 12: 39
          No engine, no AFAR, no avionics, no money ... But what is there? As usual - layout,

          So Caliber also "was not" until they flew on the heads of your instructors in Syria.))))
          1. +3
            25 July 2021 16: 11
            Eck they drove you into the minus ... He corrected that he could ... wink
          2. 0
            26 July 2021 13: 48
            Quote: lucul
            No engine, no AFAR, no avionics, no money ... But what is there? As usual - layout,

            So Caliber also "was not" until they flew on the heads of your instructors in Syria.))))


            Calibers - created with Indian money!
            And they were delivered first to India.
            And only then, almost 10 years later, they slowly began to be produced for their own Navy ...
            The same story was with the Su-30.
            And almost the same with the T-90.
            When 150 of them were made, and then production was completely stopped for 10 years. And only thanks to the same Indians, the production of tanks resumed.
            1. -1
              26 July 2021 13: 58
              Calibers - created with Indian money!
              And they were delivered first to India

              Are the calibers in service in India? ))))
              You have all the weapons thanks to the annual handouts of amer's money, so what? )))
              1. -2
                26 July 2021 14: 06
                Quote: lucul
                Calibers - created with Indian money!
                And they were delivered first to India

                Are the calibers in service in India? ))))

                There are calibers in India - there are - study the materiel ...

                Quote: lucul

                You have all the weapons thanks to the annual handouts of amer's money, so what? )))


                I have?
                I live in Samara ...
                There are no American handouts and American money here.


                And all you have in your head is anti-Semitism - and other nonsense ...
                Go read the article by Roman Skomorokhov - https://topwar.ru/185258-desjat-let-na-voennom-obozrenii.html

                maybe at least something in your rabid brain will change ...
                1. -5
                  26 July 2021 14: 25
                  There are calibers in India - there are - study the materiel ...

                  And how many ? )))))
                  And all you have in your head is anti-Semitism - and other nonsense ...

                  This is a simple reaction to your ardent Russophobia.
      3. +4
        25 July 2021 12: 24
        For the second week, people are sucking on the news of PR people

        And that's okay. I think we are already reaching the infoactivity recession caused by this presentation.
        it remains to find money for a plane and a new engine ... we are waiting.

        Let there be everything. Product-30 will sooner or later be brought to the required characteristics.
        1. +2
          25 July 2021 16: 19
          Greetings to Alexander!
          I don’t think the Su-75 will be equipped with the “Product-30”.
          And there is already an engine for 18000 kgf: AL-41F.
          https://topwar.ru/184990-sovetskoe-nasledstvo-turboreaktivnyj-dvigatel-pjatogo-pokolenija-na-baze-izdelija-79.html
          1. +6
            25 July 2021 16: 34
            Mutually Alexander!
            I saw the article. I have not yet decided to be happy or sad about her. On the one hand, it's great that there are other options, besides Product-30, and even immediately 2. On the other hand, I would not want the forces to be sprayed ..

            But there can be no doubt that such an aircraft will be built and in a much shorter time frame.
            The engines are already in stock, but as it turned out, there were as many as 3 candidates.
            AFAR radar - was developed for the SU-57 and should be brought up like the product-30 in any case, and on this backlog it is definitely possible to make a radar for smaller aircraft.
            Placement of weapons in internal compartments - worked out on the SU-57.
            Any other electronic equipment - in any case, needed for the Su-57.

            With such inputs, it should not be difficult to assemble another plane without stretching for decades. As well as accurately predict the expected performance of this aircraft.
            1. +6
              25 July 2021 16: 39
              I have enough insider information about how recently they began to "attach the bottom" to the state bins.
              Therefore, I have the hope that ours can meet the development timeline, with the declared characteristics. hi
      4. +4
        25 July 2021 13: 16
        so they wrote that there is an anchor customer, the paid part of R&D can be seen
        1. +2
          25 July 2021 16: 44
          It was said: "there is an anchor customer, we are doing it for him."
          About money, in the current situation, while they will be silent.
      5. -1
        25 July 2021 19: 04
        I think serious people have not bothered yet. I've just opened the first article on this topic, I specifically waited for the hype to subside a little to read something weighed.
      6. 0
        26 July 2021 15: 26
        F-35 873 defect, no certificate, half of the aircraft are not ready to serve. Former Acting US Secretary of Defense (from November 9, 2020 to January 20, 2021) Christopher Miller on January 14 during a press conference named the American fifth generation fighter The F-35 Lightning II is "a piece of shit.", Writes Popular Mechanics, referring to the corresponding transcript of the official's speech. And nothing is sold. As well as sold. The main show-off. You need to learn from our "partners"))
      7. 0
        27 July 2021 14: 55
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        When there is no money, there is no engine

        Engines are the very bottom and the most sore point of the Russian engineering industry. There are no engines for aircraft, there are no engines for helicopters, for UAVs, there are no engines for frigates and boats, not even for outboard motors and motor-blocks.
      8. 0
        3 August 2021 20: 23
        In order to actually enter the market after real flights, Russia has no money.


        I don't know why someone decided that Russia, for something, has no money?
    2. +2
      25 July 2021 04: 28
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      ***
      "Ugly planes don't fly" ...
      ***

      It's right. There are doubts about the timing - there is no that, there is no this, but the deadlines are approaching and they will begin to press! With the same engine - according to plan tomorrow, but what difficulties will you face? Some trifle can delay the process, even not for a month ... This capitalist system of selling what does not exist is more and more annoying !!! sad
      In the eighties, a new bird appeared on the Asian a / house MiG-23tih, flying awesome. The commander of the regiment decided to take a look, the guard soldier of the same regiment had tears in his eyes, but he pulled the bolt and did not let it go! Later they learned from TV only many years later: MiG-29! And here ... a logline for investors. request
      1. +8
        25 July 2021 08: 17
        "Ugly planes don't fly" ...

        Tupolev is of course right! But...




        1. -1
          25 July 2021 08: 52
          Quote: LIONnvrsk
          "Ugly planes don't fly" ...

          Tupolev is of course right! But...





          So these did not fly, but tried !!! laughing I too can fly nizenko-low along with crocodiles
          1. nks
            +15
            25 July 2021 11: 31
            airbus beluga (in the last photo) flies regularly - it delivers bulky items between production sites, and the beauty is subjective
            1. -10
              25 July 2021 12: 11
              Przewalski's horse also carried gravity, but a gallop with obstacles, like any other horse, is beyond its power! Beluga is also heavy, flies on a "silver platter", like the first airplanes at the dawn of aviation. And take a look at Mriya - this "fool" has such TTD and possibilities in aerobatics, that it only determines the carrying capacity of its heavy! And why? That's right - for the elegance of the contours wink
              1. nks
                +12
                25 July 2021 13: 00
                You don't have to tell me. I understand the topic better than you (excuse me) Beluga does what is required of her and her performance characteristics with a margin


                PS: Yes, in my opinion, the beluga is quite an elegant plane, albeit an unusual one.
                1. -3
                  25 July 2021 13: 47
                  good Yeah, you know better! Have a good mood!
                  1. nks
                    +4
                    25 July 2021 13: 55
                    Thank you! Same to you!
            2. 0
              28 August 2021 11: 40
              Well, that's why it has specific dimensions, as it is tailored for specific special transportation of certain parts of aircraft.
        2. -8
          25 July 2021 12: 46
          Tupolev is of course right!

          Why not ? Beauty is when there is nothing superfluous)))

          So it is on the plane, the fewer "unnecessary" parts, the more beautiful the plane.
        3. -5
          25 July 2021 16: 52
          No, you are of course the original, and yet I wouldn’t be tempted to call your “birds” airplanes. On the first photo there is some kind of crab, on the second a pregnant penguin (urgently on maternity leave), on the third a barrel (really flies on gunpowder?), And then come up with it yourself.
          So I don't see any planes here, and there is no beauty at all!
    3. +5
      25 July 2021 05: 25
      Sukhoi seems to have announced that the exhibition sample was assembled for static tests.
      Let me just remind you that the SU-57 model for static tests was assembled later than the first one to fly.
      IL-112 is the same picture, first a flying sample, then a sample for statics.

      So I will not be surprised at all that the first flying LTS is already being assembled.
      1. +3
        25 July 2021 10: 16
        Quote: demiurg
        Sukhoi seems to have announced that the exhibition sample was assembled for static tests.

        Where did you announce it?
        It was Slusar who announced at the presentation that this prototype would fly.
        1. nks
          0
          25 July 2021 11: 38
          It will definitely not fly (well, Slyusar - he is such a Slyusar). In general, while this is a story not about aircraft, but about PR. They will find money to make a flight prototype, maybe something will fly, but for now this is a stupid layout for a presentation.
    4. +15
      25 July 2021 05: 56
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      ***
      "Ugly planes don't fly" ...
      ***

      And the engine specialists say:

      - "With a good engine and the gate will fly"

      (Academician V.P. Glushko, but often the phrase is attributed to aircraft designer A.N. Tupolev)
      1. -12
        25 July 2021 07: 24
        It's funny to watch the twists and turns of the discussion. Russia is such a powerful country in armament that now you can sell fighters to the surrounding tribes.
        1. +5
          25 July 2021 07: 30
          Quote: Gardamir
          Russia is such a powerful country in armament that now you can sell fighters to the surrounding tribes.

          We can sell to the tribes everything that we are able to produce and that is in demand in the arms market, if this does not contradict the conditions of our and international security.

          We sell air defense systems, why not sell a fifth-generation fighter in export version?
          1. -12
            25 July 2021 07: 47
            if this does not contradict the conditions of our
            if this plane is worse than modern Russian ones, they will not buy it. If it is better, then you probably need to produce for yourself first of all. And then suddenly it will be in Ukraine.
            why not sell a fifth generation fighter in export version?
            I remember in the Soviet Union I saw an export version of the Lada, it was better than its modern Lada.
            1. +3
              25 July 2021 08: 00
              Quote: Gardamir
              if this plane is worse than modern Russian ones, they will not buy it. If it is better, then you probably need to produce for yourself first of all. And then suddenly it will be in Ukraine.

              Excuse me, did you graduate from school? I am interested because - schoolchildren's judgments Yes

              Any (I UNDERLINE) our fighter, currently in service, is better than any in Ukraine.

              And somehow not one of the Su-27-30-34-35, or the modernized MiG-29, got to Ukraine fellow

              Quote: Gardamir
              I remember in the Soviet Union I saw an export version of the Lada, it was better than its modern Lada.

              Aha Yes Then - sorry hi Yes , it means you have finished school, but for some reason you continue to live with the stereotypes of your past life ...

              Now, unfortunately, in many respects it is no longer the Union, but a vicious practice, when they drove the best "over the hill", and left what was left for themselves - no longer works.
              You can buy absolutely equivalent Vestas in Tambov and Hamburg ...

              But only in Hamburg (in Euro) it can cost you more than in ours in Tambov wassat .
              1. -3
                25 July 2021 08: 06
                live past life stereotypes
                Yes, I am still sure that the bourgeois will sell his homeland for 300%.
                1. -1
                  25 July 2021 08: 27
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  Yes, I am still sure that the bourgeois will sell his homeland for 300%.

                  Review E. Ryazanov's film "Garage". There, the hero of G. Burkov also sold his homeland based on purely mercantile interests Yes
                  1. 0
                    26 July 2021 14: 15
                    Quote: PiK
                    Review E. Ryazanov's film "Garage". There, the hero of G. Burkov also sold his homeland based on purely mercantile interests
                    It is better for you to watch this film, under "Homeland" Burkov's hero meant a house in the village. This is how demagoguery works. Who is here against Russia, our Air Force, the defense of the Motherland? In the majority, everyone is for Russia, as before the "whites" and "reds", only then some fought for the people, others for what they had from the people.

                    One previous comment can be highlighted (viktor_47).
                    The creation of new types and types of weapons and military equipment (design, prototyping, testing, fine-tuning of the design and characteristics, production of serial copies, military tests, acceptance into service, serial production) should be focused exclusively on providing the Russian Armed Forces. Deliveries abroad of new weapons and military equipment, superior in characteristics to the best foreign models, should be categorically prohibited, and the corresponding attempts should be considered as a state crime. The export of weapons is permissible only under two conditions: 1) AME cannot be used against the Russian Federation and its allies; 2) export does not lead to leakage of military-technical secrets.
                    PS. And it's time to stop the very unwise practice of exporting weapons and military equipment against loans provided, the return of which is not guaranteed!

                    Plus an excerpt from another comment (gregor6549)
                    I worked in the defense industry of the Union for over 30 years and I cannot remember that the R&D that was carried out then was accompanied by a similar hype.
                    On the contrary. Everything was done very quietly and often probable and incredible opponents learned about these developments when they were already in full operation in the troops.
                    Of course, there were leaks of information, but even then everything was done so that this information was perceived "over the hill" exactly the opposite.
                    But that's not even the main thing. The main thing was to saturate the USSR Armed Forces with worthy novelties to the maximum and be ready to fight at any time.
                    Market issues then worried the country's leadership insofar as. Yes, and there was no particular market, but there was basically a free distribution of not new types of equipment in order to expand the sphere of influence of the USSR in the world in opposition to the West. This, of course, cost the country a large pretty penny, but the leadership of the USSR deliberately went to such expenses, although sometimes it flew with this help, as, for example, with Egypt, which went over to the side of the United States as soon as the States offered him a much larger money than it offered and could afford the USSR.
                    Now it seems that new military equipment and weapons are being created in Russia not so much to equip the Russian Armed Forces as to get not an extra penny.
                    At the same time, very convincing pretexts are invented (support for defense enterprises, expansion of Russia's influence in the world, etc.).

                    So think about who is right here.
          2. +2
            25 July 2021 08: 43
            "We sell air defense, why not sell a fifth generation fighter in export version?"
            maybe make it first, then sell it? not all are made for layouts
        2. 0
          25 July 2021 17: 00
          It's funny how you express yourself. What kind of tribe are you going to be, or rootless? wink
          But seriously, redirect your question to the main huckster in the world, who spills even far from him the tribes, snatching them all their cheese makers at basic prices! ???
          Or is it possible for him, because he "promotes" the correct planes, or do you breathe unevenly towards him?
    5. +4
      25 July 2021 07: 48
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      "Ugly planes don't fly."


      Flies! Our Eagle soars!
    6. +3
      25 July 2021 09: 10
      Oleg Konstantinovich Antonov said:
      Beautiful planes fly well, ugly ones fly badly ...
      I think this expression has nothing to do with layouts)))
      They just stand there. Like mannequins in a shop window - it seems that the clothes on it are fashionable, and the shoes from "someone", and the jewelry, and the parameters of the figure are ideal ...
      But the mannequin will not cook you breakfast, nor will it give birth to a son ...
    7. +1
      25 July 2021 13: 08
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      Roman Skomorokhov

      =======
      When I see the signature "Roman Skomorokhov"- I am no longer surprised .... Well, here he is - a" romance "with meaningful last name! What should I do? But he is one of the "co-owners of the site" !!! Further - "no comment" ...
      1. +3
        25 July 2021 17: 07
        Quote: venik
        But he is one of the "co-owners of the site" !!!

        But this does not mean that he can be trusted in those matters in which he is clearly illiterate.
        1. 0
          26 July 2021 03: 33
          Here 90%, if not 99% of commentators are clearly illiterate in the topics discussed. However, this in no way prevents them from squeezing their thoughts here.
          So there is nothing to look for in someone else's eye.
  2. +5
    25 July 2021 04: 13
    "Pros: - theoretically very high performance characteristics;

    Cons:
    - lack of an engine that will provide the declared performance characteristics; "

    While there is no engine, you can declare any characteristics you want, it is hardly possible to write down this as a plus, at least at the moment.
    1. -1
      25 July 2021 04: 27
      As in some scene Petrosyan was))
      -I would have bought a Moskvich for a thousand rubles a long time ago.
      -What didn't you buy?
      -No one sells
    2. -6
      25 July 2021 19: 38
      Quote: Military Commissar77
      "Pros: - theoretically very high performance characteristics;

      =======
      The flight characteristics are by no means "very high" - quite at the level of the MiG-35 ....
      ------------
      Quote: Military Commissar77
      Cons:
      - lack of an engine that will provide the declared performance characteristics; "

      =======
      By the time it takes off (and this is planned for 2023), the engine ("product 30") will most likely already be!
      So, what is next? Shall we "wipe the snot", grieving about the "unfortunate share" of the Russian aircraft industry?
      Where do you come from, "bulk"? Here you can not pass by, so as not to "cheat"!
  3. 0
    25 July 2021 04: 20
    There were several announcements of equipment, for example, Armata, Su 57, in the hope that there will be foreign customers, they are not, there is no such equipment in the RF Armed Forces.
    1. bar
      +2
      25 July 2021 07: 59
      Quote: Pessimist22
      There were several announcements of equipment, for example, Armata, Su 57, in the hope that there will be foreign customers, they are not, there is no such equipment in the RF Armed Forces.

      No, because this technique is of a different class, of a different complexity and price, and for other wars. For regional conflicts, it is not needed, and potential customers are not going to wage world wars. And this airplane is a completely different matter. They are quite useful for our videoconferencing, it is economical to hammer dushmans instead of driving the Tu-160.
  4. -5
    25 July 2021 04: 29
    Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov

    "Ugly planes don't fly" ...

    This is a classic!
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    1. -1
      25 July 2021 04: 43

      Will this prototype fly with such a lantern? Fifth generation
      1. 0
        25 July 2021 04: 46
        A good argument, but not indisputable. They could not be in time for the exhibition and stick a model of the lantern.
        Moreover, the extremely low quality of the photo prompts some thoughts. Maybe stuffing at all.
        1. -1
          25 July 2021 04: 50
          But they managed to write the characteristics) And arrange a laser show
          1. 0
            25 July 2021 04: 52
            The advertisement is engine of the trade)
            1. -2
              25 July 2021 04: 55
              If this is advertising, of course.
              Not a show for Putin's subjects ..
          2. +4
            25 July 2021 08: 00
            Quote: Mikhail Ishin
            And arrange a laser show

        2. -8
          25 July 2021 04: 52
          This is not a photo, but a screenshot from the video at the presentation .. You can find and see
          1. +3
            25 July 2021 06: 35
            Quote: Mikhail Ishin
            This is not a photo, but a screenshot from the video at the presentation .. You can find and see

            I saw the video without screenshots. There is a picture of "five-plus", including the moment when Putin inspects the cockpit of the prototype.

            It would not hurt you to know that a video shot on a smartphone with a sufficiently acceptable picture in dynamics, on a separate screen in "static", will have a much worse quality, I would even say disgusting in comparison with the photo.

            Moreover, it is clear that this is not a classic screenshot, but a photo from a TV screen (monitor) to a smartphone ...

            Believe it or not, but there is such a nuance - even when using the "classic" Lightshot (screenshot tool) in the browser, the screen of the page (image) is significantly blurred, losing quality from what I see on the screen.

            And you have a PHOTO on your phone with VIDEO (not set resolution and quality) played on a dubious device.
            1. -10
              25 July 2021 06: 43
              This is my photo)))
              I did it myself and cropped it))
            2. -13
              25 July 2021 06: 45
              *** I saw the video without screenshots. There is a picture of "five-plus", including the moment when Putin inspects the cockpit of the prototype.
              And what's there? Another cabin?))
              1. -1
                25 July 2021 06: 57
                Quote: Mikhail Ishin
                And what's there? Another cabin?))

                No, there is another Putin.
        3. 0
          25 July 2021 06: 11
          Quote: MooH
          the extremely low quality of the photo prompts some thoughts. Maybe stuffing at all.


          Most likely stuffing. Yes

          The search engine "Yandex" did not find a similar picture at all, which, too, prompts me to think - where did it come from? what
          From what cave phone, "with a super matrix of 0,5 MP"?
          1. +1
            25 July 2021 06: 20
            Quote: PiK
            Search engine "Yandex", I did not find a similar picture at all

            It remains to add that a similar image search in Google also yielded nothing.

            Therefore, judge for yourself - stuffing, or we make planes so clumsily, even if it is a demonstration model, which, however, is positioned as a model for static tests.
            1. -7
              25 July 2021 06: 37
              https://youtu.be/k7BHZGtQjPI
              You too ... at the 50th second
              1. +2
                25 July 2021 06: 46
                Quote: Mikhail Ishin
                https://youtu.be/k7BHZGtQjPI
                To you too


                Well, WHERE is this "terrible" flashlight of the "fifth generation prototype" in your opinion?

                The screen, by the way, was made in that video, the link to which you gave, and nothing request ... No.

                1. -10
                  25 July 2021 06: 52
                  At 0.58, make a screen and show it here
            2. -16
              25 July 2021 06: 42
              Naturally, the search will not give you anything .. I took a picture from the laptop screen myself when I watched the video and cropped
              1. +3
                25 July 2021 06: 54
                Quote: Mikhail Ishin
                Naturally, the search will not give you anything .. I took a picture from the laptop screen myself when I watched the video and cropped


                And the quality is as if you were it copied Yes

                Enough already to flood with a "crooked lantern".
              2. +1
                25 July 2021 10: 45
                And on the feijoa from the screen of the laptop to take pictures - do you have the Print Screen button fell off ?? what
          2. -11
            25 July 2021 06: 37
            https://youtu.be/k7BHZGtQjPI
            Here ... from about the 50th second, look carefully
      2. -10
        25 July 2021 09: 26
        What a "lantern"! Everything is much more interesting there. The video shows the plane's skin ... shaking! I don’t know from what: from a draft, from the fact that they walk nearby or speak loudly, but it shakes! That is, it is a film! Yes And yes, this is exactly how it will "fly" - with a "casing" made of film, it is obvious for greater "invisibility" - after all, "stealth", after all. laughing lol
        1. -1
          25 July 2021 16: 42
          This is your shaking - to know from the otkhodnik after a binge.
    2. -1
      25 July 2021 05: 05
      Why is there! Under PD-35! ...
      And if not kidding, the PD series is still at the start. And God forbid that after the PD-14, the 35th engine appears in the iron.
      Work on finishing the first one and creating at the same time - unmeasured! And speaking in practical terms about modifications and options (8, 12V, 18, etc.) is extremely premature, no matter how much we would like it.
      Therefore, the question of the engine for the new fighter still remains unanswered.
      But the next step is also an artifact from the MiG, unless of course the "dad-SU" finally drowns his adopted child.
      1. mvg
        +2
        25 July 2021 05: 53
        Why is there! Under PD-35! ..

        The boy has been delirious since the morning .. PD-14/18/35 ... left behind the glider to make it barrel-shaped and fasten the afterburner with rivets ... The photo, of course, will change a bit, but this is a new series of ten articles on VO, which says which is not and deep analyzes are done
      2. -1
        25 July 2021 16: 44
        PD 14 certify PD 14 turbine for gas workers made PD 8 assemble PD 35 at the R&D stage.
    3. +6
      25 July 2021 09: 27
      The MiG-31 flies on a modification of the civilian D-30. But this is not the case. There is no analytics here - a compilation of fragments from different publications. Hastily. A brake parachute can even be behind the cockpit, just a longer cable is needed (see F-35). The engineers couldn't forget about the parachute.
    4. 0
      26 July 2021 12: 20
      D-30 engine for Tu-134, D-30KU-for Tu-154, D-30KP-for Il-76 and D-30F-6 for MiG-31
  6. +3
    25 July 2021 05: 05
    Novel! What week has been without your criticism and skepticism?
    fellow
    It reads:
    Western media noted the aggressive attitude of Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov

    What can you say here? We have not been able to get rid of the aggressive attitude since 2000. practice shows that, often, things do not go beyond aggressive words and body movements, or they move at a "snail's" pace.
    It would be possible to talk about "shakhimat" in the presence of samples actually embodied in metal after test flights and a ready-made line for the production of (AT LEAST !!!) 3-5 aircraft per month.
    The amazing lack of understanding of the Russian authorities, looking for customers and sponsors and sitting on the cushion of the NWF (the volume of the National Wealth Fund as of January 1 of this year amounted to 13 trillion 545 billion 663 million rubles). Isn't the creation of production the engine of progress and the impetus (in the understanding of advancement) to the economy?
    ==========
    The "aggressive attitude" of various officials will not budge the cart, which is "our everything", in practice - an exhausted (lost properties) catalyst, the imagination of which is sometimes occupied by sketches, projects, layouts, ideas, breakthroughs, reports. ..True and economic growth in the country (dynamics of GDP growth):
  7. +10
    25 July 2021 05: 38
    Russia really needs a rich customer who will help Mata Sukhoi take off with his money.
    ??? Russia itself has no money ???
    1. -11
      25 July 2021 05: 42
      90s are back))
    2. +2
      25 July 2021 09: 44
      Of course Russia has no money. Where did she get them? All the money is from the servants of the people, from "patriotically oriented" entrepreneurs, from "effective managers" and also from small peels such as colonels of the State Traffic Safety Inspectorate, the FSB, the police, etc. PS: I am sitting watching the parade of Russia's "sea power" on the Neva. Yes, the fleet is definitely "powerful", the largest ship (excluding nuclear submarines) is a frigate of 5400 tons with a displacement. It was necessary for him to build yachts of our nouveau riche in the wake, so to speak, for greater representation and an increase in the feeling of "pride" in the "country".
      1. -1
        26 July 2021 08: 25
        Quote: Kuzya the Cat
        PS: I'm sitting watching the parade of "sea power" of Russia on the Neva. Yes, the fleet is definitely "powerful", the largest ship (excluding nuclear submarines) is a frigate of 5400 tons with a displacement

        I am far from the fleet, but I am tormented by doubts that big ships can pass there now. What may have gone to the parade ...
  8. +8
    25 July 2021 05: 42
    Well, as far as I remember, the Americans widely advertised the already known failed projects like the railgun and under them the Zumwalt-type ships built. And nothing, everything is normal, they do not itch. And about the "cartoons" and ridicule about the Daggers, Poseidons, we read and-and-and-and now they are there, and ... wink
    1. 0
      25 July 2021 07: 41
      Quote: Realist32
      Zumwalt type

      Zumvolt in the US Navy. Did not know? Work on the railgun is underway in many countries. In addition, these toys cost nothing to the Pendos - they pay for it with printed or virtual candy wrappers, but we do not sell virtual resources for these candy wrappers.
      1. +5
        25 July 2021 10: 43
        https://topwar.ru/152628-jesmincy-zumwalt-velichajshij-proval-v-istorii-vms-ssha.html - эт для Вас.
        ps: //topwar.ru/184622-posle-10-s-lishnim-let-issledovanij-v-ssha-otkazyvajutsja-prodolzhat-rabotu-nad-relsotronom.html - it's the same for you. wink
        I can read a little, believe me. hi
        1. -1
          25 July 2021 12: 46
          Quote: Realist32
          I can read a little, believe me.

          It's not about the ability to read, the children of the primary grades can also do this. The reference to the opinion of Ilya Legat is not the ultimate truth, but his reasoning. No more.
          I'm not suggesting that the Zumwalt is the best ship in the world, but it sucks to call it extremely stupid.
          Or is it our all? wink
          1. 0
            27 July 2021 14: 49
            Excuse me, but where did you see "urya" and who are yours?
      2. +1
        25 July 2021 11: 32
        By the way, here is an article from https://topwar.ru/156117-my-i-oni-flotskie-potrjasenija.html the author is the same. Or not ... Everything is covered in darkness ... https: //pravdoryb.info/na-voennom-obozrenii-raskryt-zagovor.html But it's up to you to decide. Only do not sign Zyuganov with Sterninin ... lol
  9. +6
    25 July 2021 05: 55
    1. It is claimed that this is not a mock-up
    2.
    The power plant, according to the plan, should have a capacity of 14 to 16 tons.
    What problems? Let's leave alone izd. 30 (18-19 tons and the price is sky-high) - AL-41F1 14,5 / 15,5 tons, AL31F3 - the same result ("democratic" price) - will it suit? I think it will suit everyone. Well, for especially advanced (with a tight wallet) customers, you can apply ed. 30.
    3.Now it is no less interesting (in terms of the development of our VKS) what the MiG will show.
    4. In any case, development is better than marking time - it goes on.
  10. +11
    25 July 2021 06: 08
    Tired of reading this. As if only we have problems with the engine. The F-35 was recently exposed to a problem - the destruction of the engine blades. The Chinese fly without their own engine at all.
    1. -8
      25 July 2021 06: 25
      Do not read ... Read Headlines in RIA like * The Japanese admired the new Russian fighter * and you will be happy
    2. -2
      25 July 2021 07: 42
      Quote: From Tomsk
      As if only we have engine problems

      But at least he is there! laughing
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      1. +2
        25 July 2021 15: 20
        The future WS-15 17-18 is a very distant future.
  11. +16
    25 July 2021 06: 21
    I read up to "engine power 16 tons" - I began to hiccup, after reading up to "Big wing increases vertical thrust" it began to break, pressure increased, light and water fears began. I closed it, I didn't open it anymore.
    1. +11
      25 July 2021 06: 59
      Quote: Mikhail Tynda
      I read up to "engine power 16 tons" - I began to hiccup, after reading up to "Big wing increases vertical thrust" it began to break, pressure increased, light and water fears began. I closed it, I didn't open it anymore.

      What did you expect from "VO experts", recognized masters of the word?
  12. +4
    25 July 2021 07: 02
    Eh, a competitor of the f-16, still of the last generation, single-engine, cheap, massive
  13. +1
    25 July 2021 07: 38
    For similar (like the author's) reasoning in the comments earlier I was thrown here minuses. Yes, and okay, grabbing the pluses extolling everything in a hurray quack style is not mine. I'm realist. I will never call a rabbit moving in the bushes a tiger in advance.
    1. +9
      25 July 2021 08: 13
      You are not the first, you are not the last. I was issued a warning from the moderator for a question. So we sawed from a big mountain on these miners.
  14. +8
    25 July 2021 07: 50
    Strong The side of Russian companies is a fairly well-functioning after-sales service system, which is also an additional factor in attracting potential customers.

    Quite the opposite. Ask the Indians. Russian service is just getting on its feet.
    1. +6
      25 July 2021 08: 09
      Here I agree with you.
  15. +14
    25 July 2021 08: 11
    Absolutely illiterate article, you have to think of it -
    Large wing increases vertical thrust
    ... Let me ask you, since when did the wings start increasing or decreasing thrust? On the wing only, under certain conditions, a lift is created.
    And this gem is generally out of bounds for people who are in the slightest degree familiar with aviation -
    Well, yes, a fighter with a large wing takes off higher, sees further, has advantages in terms of the operation of radar equipment, the range of weapons. A high-flying fighter sees and fires further than a low-flying one.

    I did not even read further.
    Yabeda Roman, you will somehow be more serious about writing articles, not all amateurs and your singers are here. hi bully
    1. +4
      25 July 2021 09: 53
      What do you want? The surname (pseudonym?) Skomorokhov seems to be hinting - do not wait for scientific papers, my business is to amuse you.
  16. 0
    25 July 2021 08: 20
    Actually, the plane has another 4 years, during which time they will make both the engine and the radar ..
    1. 0
      25 July 2021 16: 50
      To create a fighter you need 10 years - if they promise to lift it into the air in 2023 - then the Su 75 has been created for 8 years already, and most likely, to reduce the cost of creating production and certification, most of the units of parts and assemblies in its creation were borrowed from the Su 57 most likely and the engine will be the second stage from it from here such a low price of 30-40 million dollars apiece.
  17. +9
    25 July 2021 08: 39
    Large wing increases vertical thrust

    Brad.
    The thrust is created by the engine, and the wing is the lift.
  18. +2
    25 July 2021 09: 13
    In general, the shown layout theoretically has both positive and negative properties. It is difficult to say what will outweigh, in any case, it is worth returning to this topic after the model turns into a prototype and makes its first flight.


    In general, serial solutions are used and they talked about the maximum customization for a specific client ... And they are ready to share production technologies on the spot. They also write that the UAE, which has been taught for a long time with the F35, is related to financing.
  19. -2
    25 July 2021 09: 50
    30 million is the cost of cardboard
    1. -4
      25 July 2021 10: 38
      Yes, what are you? Can not be so. Here in the media, such "hurray-hats-offensive" articles are dear to the heart of every noteworthy "patriot", such as this one (one name, which is worth it!):
      Checkmate: revolutionary fighter Checkmate hammers a nail into the cover of the F-35

      https://politexpert.net/254682-shakh-i-mat-revolyucionnyi-istrebitel-checkmate-zakolotil-gvozd-v-kryshku-f-35?utm_source=warfiles.ru&utm_campaign=auction
  20. +5
    25 July 2021 10: 08
    The large wing increases vertical thrust and
    Actually, the thrust is at the engine, at the wing is the lift. For the analysis of the layout, there is such a value as the load on the wing, the author is unaware of this.
  21. +1
    25 July 2021 11: 43
    The information is extremely contradictory. 7,5t load is unique with external suspensions, there is no built-in cannon (to fight with drones with 5 missiles), 30mln apiece is ridiculous! At least 50-60 million will be.
    The engine is not ready and at least another 5 years. There is no radar with AFAR even on the Su-35, but here they want from scratch and immediately to a new one. What the layout is shown is okay, but the rest is populism and noodles no more.
    1. 0
      26 July 2021 08: 35
      Well, reduce the number of PPMs on the "Belka", here's a new radar with AFAR, lighter and cheaper. And on the Su-35, and so the most powerful fighter radar now, it is more profitable to put new radars on new machines than to replace workers with already built ones.

      There will be 50-60 million for export. We are not suckers to sell at times cheaper than competitors.
  22. 0
    25 July 2021 11: 45
    The success or failure of this aircraft first of all depends on how cheerfully we will be able to embody it "in metal" and then organize large-scale production. From how much the price will change (taking into account our growing inflation and if it will be "long-term construction"), and finally from who and how much will be ready to buy - according to the results of the three previous factors.
    It should be understood that with this entire PR campaign, we also challenged the western and eastern aircraft-building campaigns - which, as a rule, work better than ours (production-organizational), and therefore if we again pull the strap here as with "Angara" - we have just can intercept potential customers.
  23. +11
    25 July 2021 11: 59
    16 tonne vectoring engine

    Large wing increases vertical thrust and allows the aircraft to climb higher

    The power plant, according to the plan, should have a capacity of 14 to 16 tons.

    Well, yes, a fighter with a large wing takes off higher, sees further, has advantages in terms of the operation of radar equipment, the range of weapons. A high-flying fighter sees and fires further than a low-flying one.

    This is the level of today's VO analysts. Power is measured in tons. And the vertical thrust of large wings is generally a masterpiece.
    1. -1
      25 July 2021 13: 07
      But at least some attempt at analysis, the previous materials did not even contain this (
      1. +4
        25 July 2021 13: 17
        Well, yes.
        "Not everyone will succeed, but everyone should try."
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  25. +3
    25 July 2021 12: 27
    Quote: Babay Atasovich
    So these did not fly, but tried !!! laughing I too can fly nizenko-low along with crocodiles

    Why not. Airbus BelugaST (the bottom photo) is quite successful in flying, and the descendant of its Airbus Beliga XL also flies. True, they were created for very narrowly specific tasks - to transport large-sized fragments of airbuses to Toulouse for final assembly. hi
    https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/freighter/beluga.html
  26. -6
    25 July 2021 12: 29
    Thanks. Good article. I ask you to publish an article on Japanese combat aircraft. They not only have American ones.
  27. +3
    25 July 2021 12: 57
    Rake from "Armata" by Checkmate?
    To whom is check, and to whom is checkmate? View from the other side
    I am reading two articles and the feeling that the author has a split personality does not leave me ...
  28. -3
    25 July 2021 13: 08
    There is no aircraft, no engine, we fundamentally do not produce avionics and microelectronics, as well as many other things, but we have already counted the loot, oh, we will "collapse". True, not today, but taking into account the fact that we have not been able to replace the An-2 from the finished project of Soviet designers for 30 years, then most likely not even tomorrow and not in our life.
    1. +2
      25 July 2021 16: 57
      “In principle, we do not produce avionics and microelectronics,” Ruselectronics and KRETU will tell you that there will be neighing over you. And more for information
      TsAMTO, July 22. PJSC UAC and the Shvabe holding, which are part of the Rostec State Corporation, have signed an agreement to develop and supply a round-the-clock optical-electronic sighting system KOEPS-75 for the Checkmate light tactical aircraft (LTS).

      The agreement was signed by UAC General Director Yuri Slyusar and the head of the Shvabe holding Alexei Patrikeev within the framework of the MAKS-2021 business program.

      KOEPS-75 was developed by the Ural Optical and Mechanical Plant named after V.I. E.S. Yalamova (UOMZ) of the Shvabe holding. In accordance with the requirements of customers, KOEPS-75 in the basic version can be supplemented with landing and defense stations.

      "The key factors in the successful completion of the task of equipping the new Russian fighter with optoelectronic equipment are the quality, economy and timing of work. The Shvabe holding has all the necessary competencies to solve the tasks set before us. We thank our colleagues from the United Aircraft Corporation for their trust and for the fact that that they chose us as the executors, "said Alexey Patrikeev, a member of the Bureau of the Union of Mechanical Engineers of Russia." And the Su 75 created, with a focus on materials, units devices on the Su 57, including the second stage engine, product 30.
  29. 0
    25 July 2021 13: 21
    Why check if in the end there will be only checkmate?
  30. -4
    25 July 2021 14: 51
    Reasonable article. The author is plus.
  31. -4
    25 July 2021 15: 35
    Quote: PiK
    You can buy absolutely equivalent Vestas in Tambov and Hamburg.

    Suggest why? Renault is there, Nissan, have you heard maybe?
  32. 0
    25 July 2021 18: 04
    Ah, and so it is clear to whom the check and checkmate.
    PR - from every iron.
    And in real life - Without even saying that this is a flightless model, where they saw
    "- impressive bomb bay;" ????
    No data or photos. The plane itself is a thin fighter, in contrast to the pot-bellied F35.

    So it looks like a lie. The elections are coming soon, so they lie for the rating.
    Perhaps there will be still a pot-bellied version of the bomber, but we already have everything "possible" and then often zilch ...
  33. -2
    25 July 2021 19: 43
    The game will turn out to be really difficult, because if we assume, the Su-57 will be what it says (AFAR radar, electronic warfare, EPR, more or less, etc.) and will cost less than $ 50 million, for the United States and the West the question will arise how much their Air Force still have superiority and what changes await here. The danger of a sharp jump in the potential of the Air Force of potential adversaries could spur the technology race and force the United States to accelerate the development and implementation of the next generation fighter in order to meet the requirements of its doctrine of superiority. For Russia, an accelerated arms race in the air could become a serious problem, since the country's technological potential has its limits. The more the US and NATO countries allocate funds to maintain their air superiority, relying on the technological potential of the West, the more difficult it will be for Russia to keep up in this direction, because Even while allocating sufficient funds, Russia does not have the necessary technological potential. In general, this game is just beginning and its outcome is far from unambiguous.
  34. +1
    25 July 2021 20: 54
    The author could not even look at the presentation attentively? This is not a layout. This is a prototype that will take off after ground tests.
    That is, it is essentially a ready-made aircraft.
  35. -2
    26 July 2021 00: 52
    It is very strange to offer a car without an engine. Who would order the Aurus if there were no engines for it?
    It looks like Sukhoi is in a hurry to checkmate the MiG, staking out the theme of a light fighter for itself ..
  36. -3
    26 July 2021 02: 38
    Selling what does not exist, and perhaps never will be, is a type of business. Hangars, slogans, women in short skirts, etc. It is important to understand who is the seller and who is the buyer. laughing
  37. KCA
    +1
    26 July 2021 07: 59
    In the Russian Federation, since the times of the USSR, somehow they do not really like to disclose performance characteristics, right away, but somewhere never at all, is there performance characteristics of "Onyx"? Not "Yakhonta", and TTX X-101 and 102 somewhere? Fuck there, spread all over the world or bullshit, or performance characteristics of products that no one needs
    1. 0
      26 July 2021 12: 29
      Quote: KCA
      In the Russian Federation since the times of the USSR, somehow they do not really like to disclose performance characteristics, right away, but somewhere never at all,

      And so it was - only a few people were allowed to the TTZ in full, and the troops did not even know what was originally laid down when they received the vehicle adopted for service. Well, if someone blabbed about the development itself, then both the customer and the committee structures could give a hat for this. That is why it is ridiculous to watch how the characteristics of the declared aircraft are discussed, especially not the fact that it was it that was shown at the exhibition.
  38. +2
    26 July 2021 08: 32
    There is only AL-41F1


    Which has a thrust of 15 tons.

    In general, the main drawback is Skomorokhov's ignorance of the materiel.
  39. -1
    26 July 2021 09: 11
    Quote: EvilLion
    Well, reduce the number of PPMs on the "Belka", here's a new radar with AFAR, lighter and cheaper. And on the Su-35, and so the most powerful fighter radar now, it is more profitable to put new radars on new machines than to replace workers with already built ones.

    There will be 50-60 million for export. We are not suckers to sell at times cheaper than competitors.

    For specialists, this presentation is without secrets. For the layman and the media, this presentation is clumsy. Who is it really designed for and there is the main question. If on GDP then it is sad, if on potential buyers then this is a shot in the foot for the project and, most importantly, the indicated figures are no more than a distant prospect.
    1. 0
      26 July 2021 09: 37
      For the first time, the AL-41F1 is quite suitable, because it is still a fighter, it is not loaded, the declared 18t maximum takeoff weight,
      1. -1
        26 July 2021 11: 30
        Then don't call it 5th generation. Su-57, Armata are still nothing more than demonstrators (this is not bad), but just then call them prototypes, and not "entered the troops." "Chess" is just a layout and nothing more, but was created to accompany the advertising brochure and outstrip the MiG products.
  40. 0
    26 July 2021 09: 59
    single-engine
    ?
    Are the 40s back?
    Single engine!
  41. 0
    26 July 2021 13: 22
    The developers have so far refused to place the air cannon on the plane.


    The developers suggest placing cannons in cannon containers. Was on this show yesterday, listened attentively to the advertising material. The general meaning was this: we have thought over and are implementing all the maximum opportunities to reduce costs not only for the aircraft itself, but also for maintenance and combat use. Why would you buy a "Gelandevagen" with a leather interior when we can offer you a Toyota-seventy on "vinyl", which will go about the same, but its price and the cost of maintenance will be three times cheaper.
  42. +1
    26 July 2021 15: 14
    The main disadvantage of this layout is that it is a layout.
  43. 0
    26 July 2021 15: 55
    Firstly, the Su57 is not one copy, and secondly, there will be an engine, well, and most importantly, isn't it time to stop writing empty articles about anything?
  44. +1
    26 July 2021 17: 07
    Quote: Dreamcat2021
    What we have at this stage, specifically what the Su-57 is and how it differs from the F-22 and 35.
    1) The world's first combat fighter with optional unmanned mode
    2) The world's first fighter capable of carrying hypersonic missiles.
    3) The world's first fighter with actually working stealth technology (none of the 57x transfers to the SAR were tracked by the radars of either Israel, Turkey, or NATO as a whole.
    4) The world's first fighter capable of flying drones as part of a single complex
    5) flight characteristics exceeding even the flight characteristics of the Su-35 of the most maneuverable MFI in the world.
    6) Immediately after the Su-57 was put into service (December 2020), the production of the F-35 was completely stopped and their purchase was stopped. Coincidence? I don’t think so.
    7) And this is only from the known

    When the Air Force has at least 50 Su-57s, we will discuss your points. In the meantime, across the ocean, the 6th generation is already in development, and the 5th is outdated)
  45. +1
    26 July 2021 17: 58
    Quote: Dreamcat2021
    What we have at this stage, specifically what the Su-57 is and how it differs from the F-22 and 35.
    1) The world's first combat fighter with optional unmanned mode
    2) The world's first fighter capable of carrying hypersonic missiles.
    3) The world's first fighter with actually working stealth technology (none of the 57x transfers to the SAR were tracked by the radars of either Israel, Turkey, or NATO as a whole.
    4) The world's first fighter capable of flying drones as part of a single complex
    5) flight characteristics exceeding even the flight characteristics of the Su-35 of the most maneuverable MFI in the world.
    6) Immediately after the Su-57 was put into service (December 2020), the production of the F-35 was completely stopped and their purchase was stopped. Coincidence? I don’t think so.
    7) And this is only from the known

    When the Su-57 will be in the army of 50 pieces, then we will discuss your points. In the United States, the 5th generation is already outdated and by 2030 it will be 6th, and the 5th generation is at least 1000 pieces, and it is good for us if these 50 are available. The enemy must be respected, and especially the strong one.
    Pysy: do not forget about our lag in long and medium-range air-to-air missiles. Their Meteor and Aim120 are very big splinters. Shot and forgot in conjunction with the ramjet engine very seriously!
    1. 0
      27 July 2021 10: 02
      At the same pace as they are building now - there will be over 2000 F-35s by 2030.
    2. 0
      27 July 2021 15: 46
      And when the hurray-kalki calms down, Fu-35 - this, according to the Americans themselves, will make 1000-2000 pieces of this substance and will throw it at the enemy, it's not even with hats, this should be prohibited by all conventions :)
  46. +1
    26 July 2021 20: 38
    If there are no real cases, start a PR department; /
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  48. 0
    27 July 2021 00: 32
    Unfortunately, we have big problems with engine building.
  49. 0
    27 July 2021 04: 43
    Designers now conveniently start from the price if the technical specification is not defined, but there is only a proposal for a competition within the framework of the work of a promising design bureau. At MAKS, they showed (from media materials) a ground stand like those used in space centers. Not a prototype or a mockup. This is convenient, the car is already according to the plan, and so in the control sensors. At the expense of the engine and other things, there is no sense in advance something like this, as it is said here, categorically assert. Many here write about product 30, but in fact, nowhere is there any exact information about the second stage engine for the SU-57 and it looks like it will not be. And if it does, it will be for export versions. In itself, such an option suggested itself, the 57th 5th generation is not cheap, you can't buy much, the alternatives look logical.
  50. 0
    27 July 2021 10: 01
    Large wing increases vertical thrust

    Seriously? Or maybe lift force? smile
  51. 0
    27 July 2021 10: 09
    For the sake of objectivity, we can say that the very concept of a new light single-engine fighter is correct.
    Example F-15 and F-16: they have the same engines F-100/F-110 (on the F-16 - modified and boosted).
    Unification, savings.
    And there should be more lungs in the total mass, this especially applies to poor countries.
  52. 0
    27 July 2021 15: 53
    At the presentation, Slyusar and Bulatov announced different design characteristics of Checkmate, as I understood this about aircraft with different engines, correct me if I’m wrong.
  53. 0
    28 July 2021 05: 45
    A lot of words, opinions... In fact, most of the “experts” were in the dark about the development of a new aircraft and this worries them, hence the unsubstantiated criticism! “No engine, no avionics...” - as the presentation of the new aircraft showed - there is simply no information. Apparently the groundwork is there, and everything else is in progress. And if there is no money, if you need it, you will find it. And the required amount for a Great Country is not so great!
    1. 0
      29 July 2021 15: 37
      Andrey, there were rumors that Sukhoi was thinking about a single-engine aircraft.
      The question is that it is one thing to roll out a life-size plywood (or plastic) model, empty, to an exhibition, and quite another to develop a new aircraft. Even if Sukhoi is given money tomorrow, mass production in 26 is practically fantastic. Take a look at the Su57. Serial produced - 1 (one) pieces :)
  54. 0
    28 July 2021 11: 58
    Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3
    And when the hurray-kalki calms down, Fu-35 - this, according to the Americans themselves, will make 1000-2000 pieces of this substance and will throw it at the enemy, it's not even with hats, this should be prohibited by all conventions :)

    I suspect that the Priora is the car for you....
  55. 0
    28 July 2021 13: 18
    Money for development and production must be recovered from the oligarchs. Don’t hold stupid Olympics and championships, but arm the army and navy. An airplane without a gun is a target on the battlefield. We have implemented AI on the SU-57. So there will be no problems with him. And crack down on corruption. A lot of money is stolen.
    1. 0
      29 July 2021 15: 32
      The average candidate for the autumn elections goes with approximately these slogans.... Fight against corruption, wash oligarchs in the toilet, land for peasants, and so on down the list...
  56. 0
    29 July 2021 15: 30
    “A large wing helps the plane take off with the help of steam catapults”... Afffftor, what kind of herb are you rolling up in a rolled-up cigarette? Have you tried adding special dried mushrooms?
  57. 0
    30 July 2021 08: 32
    Quote: AC130 Ganship
    The average candidate for the autumn elections goes with approximately these slogans.... Fight against corruption, wash oligarchs in the toilet, land for peasants, and so on down the list...


    Do not get it wet. and squeeze with taxes. Are you aware that if a resident lives less than 180 days in Russia, he does not pay taxes at all? And then we see Siluanov’s sad face on the box: there is no money... There won’t be any. Again we are going to hold some kind of world championship... We need to live more modestly, more modestly... Abramovich is building himself a new yacht. This means there is money, and the tax office can only shake off pennies from us...
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  59. -1
    18 October 2021 16: 47
    Nothing. Waste of time. With the same success, one can discuss Batman’s car or the space cruiser of some Rogozin.
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