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Cuba seems to have held out. Hundreds of thousands of Cubans, including not only communists and Komsomol members, have held mass demonstrations throughout the Island of Liberty from mid-July until recently in support of socialist Cuba and its leadership.

Moreover, these demonstrations began before the call of the Cuban leadership on July 13 to fellow citizens to support their homeland and stand up to US imperialism. There is something to compare with: in 1990-1991, Soviet citizens, including communists and Komsomol members, although the CPSU together with the Komsomol then numbered more than 65 million members, turned out to be much less concerned about the fate of their country ...



But the White House is not appeasing: Press Secretary Jen Psaki, known throughout the world as an advanced intellectual, said on July 20 that the American administration

"Is actively taking measures that both support the people of Cuba and hold the Cuban regime accountable."

In addition, the United States will contribute to

"To make the Internet more accessible to Cubans."

In turn, the official representative of the US State Department Ned Price recently clarified that

"We are also reviewing our plans to increase the staffing of our embassy in Havana to increase opportunities for engagement with civil society."

The main reasons for the new wave of the US struggle for "democracy" in Cuba are quite objectively reflected on July 18 in a statement from the Foreign Ministry of nearby Barbados. And, as noted, this position is “collective position"All 16 countries and territories of the" Caribbean Community "

The Caribbean Community is a block of non-liberal-speaking countries of the region, South America and a number of the Caribbean protectorates of Great Britain (Montserrat, Virgin Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands).


The Caribbean community's course of rapprochement with Cuba was also actively supported by Haitian President Jovenel Moise (pictured), who was recently killed in a terrorist attack. Moreover, back in December 2018, during the official visit of J. Moise to Cuba, the Cuban-Haitian working group "On the Development of Caribbean Integration" was created.

On the verge of integration


The Caribbean Community, modeled after the EU, regularly demands

“Within the framework of the UN, the OAS (Organization of American States. - Approx. VO) and in other forums, to end the US blockade against Cuba, which will eliminate its inhuman consequences. The economic, commercial and financial blockade imposed by Washington for more than 60 years has painful consequences for the Cuban population. "

And it was from here, according to the official representatives of the Community, that the socio-political tension in Cuba arose in July of this year. Because the

"Street protests in several Cuban cities have been triggered by the economic conditions in which the Caribbean island is located due to the American blockade, and which are exacerbated by the long-term impact of the COVID-19 pandemic."

In a broader context, the governments of most countries in this bloc have been advocating Cuba's accession to the Caribbean Community since the mid-2010s. First of all, these are the governments of Guyana, Jamaica, Suriname, Trinidad and Tobago - the most industrially developed countries of the Community.

A free trade zone has existed between Cuba and the Community since the early 2000s. And back in October 2013, George Rose, Ambassador of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (a member country of the CC) to Cuba, said that

“Community relations with Cuba, including trade, have reached an integrational maturity. I hope that Cuba and also the neighboring Dominican Republic will soon be able to become members of our Community. "

In a word, the current Cuban President Miguel Diaz-Canel is absolutely right, who accused the United States on July 18 of the fact that, along with the long-standing economic blockade of Cuba, Washington

"He intensified all kinds of actions within the framework of a psychological and, in general, a hybrid war, to provoke unrest in our country."

Including, according to the head of Cuba, cyberattacks on the media and the introduction of false information about mass terror against the population, about the collapse of Cuban health care, the exhaustion of the country's state food reserves.

"All this is not new, judging by the well-known actions of imperialism before and now in many countries."

- concluded the Cuban president.

It is no less characteristic that in March-May 2021, the medical departments of Jamaica and Suriname, members of the Caribbean bloc, announced plans to purchase exactly Cuban vaccines against coronavirus - Soberana 01, Soberana 02 and Abdala. Since autumn 2020, these vaccines have been supplied, for example, to Iran.

According to Deutsche Welle, June 29,

“Interest in the Cuban vaccine has already been expressed, in particular, by Bolivia, Haiti (shortly before the murder of J. Moise ... - Approx. VO), Argentina, Venezuela, Mexico. It was planned to admit Cuba to the Caribbean Community no later than this fall. "

Therefore, the riots in Cuba, inspired from the outside, as well as the assassination of the popular and charismatic Jovenel Moise, were certainly undertaken to disrupt both the Cuban-Haitian partnership and Cuba's entry into the Caribbean community. It is clear that both would transform the Caribbean Community into an anti-American coalition in the “soft underbelly” of the United States.

At the same time, in order to stabilize the situation in Cuba, its authorities took a number of important measures in July, continuing reforms on the Chinese model. For example, in most industries, the limits above which it was impossible to set wages have been canceled; new allowances for pensions and social benefits have been introduced.

On Liberty Island, taxes on small businesses have been reduced and the scope of its activities has been expanded; tightened sanctions for harboring / theft of medicines and other consumer goods - own production and imported.

Sticks in wheels


An external factor is also important for stabilizing the situation: statesmen from more than 30 countries have declared their solidarity with socialist Cuba and their readiness to provide it with urgent humanitarian and economic assistance. Including Spain, Iran, Vietnam, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Suriname, North Korea, Syria, many of Cuba's English-speaking Caribbean neighbors.

Humanitarian organizations from more than 40 countries are also ready to help Cuba. At the same time, the foreign ministries of the Russian Federation, Belarus, China, India and a number of other states spoke out against interference in the internal affairs of Cuba.

Meanwhile, the Cuban media report that agents for economic sabotage and provoking riots are still being sent from the notorious US military base in the Guantanamo area in southeastern Cuba. Recall that the American military settled there at the beginning of the 60th century, and the illegal occupation of this area has been going on for more than XNUMX years.

The Americans do not intend to leave there at all. So, the agency France-Presse in mid-October 2018 reported, citing sources in the Pentagon, that

"The US base at Guantanamo Bay, which is considered their territory in the US, will remain for at least another 25 years."

This information has not yet been refuted by either Washington or Havana.


Yet Cuban socialism was and remains phenomenally survivable. Being only 80 kilometers from the USA. As for the factors of such a unique survival rate, it is quite possible to agree with the opinion of Kazimierz Miyal, head of the opposition "pro-Stalinist" Communist Party of Poland (Eastern European Communists - They Didn't Become Weird Allies):

“... In Cuba, there are many more opponents of the United States than opponents of socialism. The top and middle echelons of the Cuban Communist Party, in contrast to Soviet practice, do not segregate into a closed nomenclature with various privileges. The ideological work of the Cuban communists is not aimed at "deifying" their leadership, but is interconnected with the study and propaganda of the struggle of all Latin America against imperialism and colonialism. It was to this kind of work that the communists were called by Stalin at the XIX Congress of the CPSU in 1952: “... The communist parties will have to raise the banner of national independence and national sovereignty, and carry it forward if they want to be patriots of their country, to become the leading force of the nation. There is no one else to raise it. "

According to the absolutely correct, as time has shown, K. Miyal's assessment,

"Cuban socialism, personifying the defense of national independence, is viable even after the collapse of the revisionist USSR and revisionist Eastern Europe."
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  2. +10
    25 July 2021 15: 25
    statesmen of more than 30 countries declared their readiness to provide her with urgent humanitarian and economic assistance. Including Spain, Iran, Vietnam, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Suriname, DPRK, Syria "

    This is good, of course, But how will North Korea, Syria, Nicaragua help Cuba? Only morally. Well, the Koreans can throw some military equipment. Russia, China, India, Vietnam can really help. We need to involve the entire SCO in this. Kazakhstan, like Russia, is a very large grain supplier. Russia is also corn. China and India can help with rice. You don't need to feed, you just need a little help.
    1. -2
      30 July 2021 19: 10
      Russia wrote off the Cube of debts in the amount of 60.2 billion dollars. Did you help a little? Need more ? What for? Maybe we can build houses of roads for a couple of million kilometers more, or we can build housing, or factories for ourselves! How many parasites can be fed around the world? Let’s transfer 20-30 percent of your personal income to help Cuba, but from your personal! What don't you want? Why so? Do you say yours? When this criminal internationalism has already disappeared from their heads ... In Russia, things are not measured, but they are all Cuba, my love ... Lavrov.zhpg
  3. +35
    25 July 2021 15: 26
    Soviet citizens, including communists and Komsomol members, although the CPSU, together with the Komsomol then numbered more than 65 million members, turned out to be much less concerned about the fate of their country ..

    And what about us - then the party and the government called upon us to defend socialism ?? No - they stupidly sold us .. Together with the country and socialism .. But in Cuba - no. Hence the difference.
    1. ANB
      +19
      25 July 2021 15: 43
      ... And what about us - then the party and the government called upon us to come out in defense of socialism ?? No - they stupidly sold us .. Together with the country and socialism ..

      Even when Gorbachev's betrayal became apparent, the Emergency Committee did not turn to the people for protection. Solo performances were quickly declared illegal and suppressed.
      1. +20
        25 July 2021 15: 52
        Everything happened according to the bearded classics - after the abolition of the dictatorship of the proletariat, the leaders of the party were rapidly degenerated, and there was no one to clean them up .. After that they cheerfully sold us all and returned capitalism, and not even it - we are surely slipping into fierce feudalism ..

        In fact, Lenin, Trotsky and Comrade Stalin warned about this. But why they did not listen to them and their darkest fears came true is a separate big topic .. Although - in general, everything is clear. It looks like the Cubans drew the right conclusions from the collapse of the USSR .. Like the Chinese. The question is - will we be able to make them at last?
        1. +9
          25 July 2021 16: 44
          Quote: paul3390
          The question is - will we be able to make them at last?

          An interesting question in this topic is: "Will Russia help Cuba or will it make another trick, like with the DPRK, when the American partners" asked "the UN to support sanctions against Eun and Russia agreed?"
          ==========
          Here's another interesting message:
          Made in Cuba: Latin America's Most Promising Coronavirus Vaccine

          https://inosmi.ru/science/20200908/248077746.html
          Actually, Cuban medicine is at the proper level and it is necessary to help the country get rid of annoying American tutelage.
        2. ANB
          0
          25 July 2021 17: 00
          ... The question is - will we be able to make them at last?

          We have already done that. But what to do with these conclusions? No one is going to give up the power back, and yet another revolution will drive Russia to the full.
          1. +3
            25 July 2021 18: 24
            And why is this? Several tanks on the bridge in front of the White House and a drunk who slipped through the Zaporozhets floor when he was already caught. Victory, almost on points. That there was a long, bloody, civil war?
            It will be the same now. Aligarhat, having sniffed the troubles with a sly nose in advance to the kids and the badges in the gamerops, will explode.
            Yes, it will not be easy to break the mentality of young people who have taken place under capitalism. But if it is clever, it is possible to do without a lot of blood and loss of stability of the country.
          2. +6
            26 July 2021 00: 32
            In fact, the past revolution made Russia one of the two superpowers on the planet ..
        3. +2
          26 July 2021 02: 21
          1 Cleansing the tops is good, but for some reason the cleansing themselves are against it, so after Stalin's death the cleansing stopped. The system of power began to expand its appetites indefinitely, and as a result, the USSR went bankrupt.

          2 One of the feeders was the so-called. "planned economy", which was so praised by the propaganda. Five-year plans were solemnly adopted at the congresses:
          - 22nd Congress (17-31.10 1961) plan for 1961-65.
          - 23rd Congress (29.3- 8.4 1966) plan for 1966-70.
          - 24 Congress (30.3-9.4 1971) plan for 1971-75. etc.
          Those. plans were accepted with a delay of 4-10 months and the USSR then worked without any plans.
          The reaction to overfulfillment of plans is especially surprising. From the point of view of common sense, overfulfillment of plans should have been punished severely - this is a waste of resources and the production of something unnecessary. Or are plans a fiction and a feeding trough for officials?

          3 Socialism is generally an extremely ineffective system. Ross. the empire with backward agriculture was a major exporter of foodstuffs, the USSR, on the contrary, was a major importer. After the collapse of the USSR, agriculture in the Russian Federation, Ukraine and other republics again became an exporter

          4 I don’t quite understand how the sanctions prevent the cultivation of 3 crops a year in Cuba, as it was before 1959. Does the United States block the sun or drive away rain clouds? Tractors, seeders / winnowing machines are not space technologies, you can buy them in China

          5 Capitalism is also not 100% sustainable - a recent example is Venezuela. However, there was a shortage of everything in the country. Oil industry confiscation. led to a lack of consumables and the oil industry was covered with a copper basin - no sanctions are needed, no one will help the stolen factories to work

          6 I also do not understand how money can be abolished - it is a measure of labor and consumption. There was no money in the camps, but all the same, rations and benefits depended on the amount produced, i.e. this is the same money.
          True, in Kampuchea the money was canceled ...
          1. +5
            26 July 2021 02: 51
            And for example, in the same Japan, they very carefully studied the work of our State Planning Committee, and adopted a lot, taking into account the mentality of course.
            1. +1
              30 July 2021 07: 35
              Can I have facts? Who studied where? What have you implemented?
              1. 0
                30 July 2021 18: 04
                I read about it at Kara-Murza. "Manipulation of consciousness." I think he can be trusted.
                1. 0
                  30 July 2021 19: 15
                  I have been to Japan, moreover, at factories that produce CNC machines. I haven't heard that they have a planned economy
                  1. 0
                    30 July 2021 19: 33
                    Should I repeat the previous answer? winked I did not write that they have a planned economy, but they have implemented some things.
                    1. 0
                      1 August 2021 07: 58
                      how do you imagine that? Just one example, if you write so confidently
                      1. 0
                        3 August 2021 17: 14
                        https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/yaponiya-evolyutsiya-sistemy-ekonomicheskogo-planirovaniya-i-prognozirovaniya/viewer
                      2. 0
                        3 August 2021 19: 18
                        I read it. Very interesting, the Japanese are great. But he has nothing to do with the USSR. These are infrastructure projects that were planned for years to come. I did not see five-year plans there, there is no planning in the production of everything and everyone
        4. +1
          27 July 2021 18: 54
          The Chinese really drew the right conclusions long before the collapse of the USSR. Now their Politburo members are some of the richest people in the world.
    2. +5
      25 July 2021 17: 03
      Quote: paul3390
      No - they stupidly sold us .. Together with the country and socialism .. But in Cuba - no.

      And walking the path of China is not a betrayal of communist values?
      1. -1
        25 July 2021 18: 19
        Where were you on August 19-21? laughing
        1. +8
          26 July 2021 00: 34
          I was a young fool who didn't understand a damn what was going on. However - like most citizens of the USSR. And my greatest fail in life is that then - I did nothing to preserve the Union. I don’t deny my guilt - but maybe it will turn out at least in old age to correct something?
          1. +3
            26 July 2021 02: 28
            I subscribe to your words, forgive me if I offended you by chance, I was joking out of habit. My question was hugely popular at the time as a hot humor. hi
          2. +1
            27 July 2021 19: 01
            it is not your fault. you were just taught. To go to demonstrations on the "whistle", to always agree with the general line of the party and with the opinion of the local party leadership in particular. Like the majority of the population of that time. So when it came time to take to the streets, we all just waited for the whistle. But he was not. Now by the way, they are again trying to raise the same generation
    3. +1
      25 July 2021 18: 15
      And we ourselves that the kids were not smart? In the 20s, when asked to surrender to the whites, what did they do with such a commissar? General indifference and a wormhole of bourgeois psychology and communists and Komsomol members captured. There is nothing to say about the marked traitor and his gang, everything is clear here, but the previous ones really screwed up, scoring completely on the class struggle. There was no intolerance to money-grubbing and bourgeois manifestations in society. Here the top ones were definitely not finalized. And they could not call us to fight for socialism, for technical reasons. Himself had to turn on the head.
    4. Eug
      +2
      30 July 2021 09: 48
      There were attempts - remember Nina Andreeva with her article "I can't compromise on principles."
  4. +12
    25 July 2021 15: 39
    Cubans are still out of their mind
    1. +10
      25 July 2021 16: 08
      Cubans are still out of their mind

      To do this, it is enough just to look at the results of Russia after 30 years of bourgeois panuvania.
    2. +13
      25 July 2021 16: 47
      Quote: parusnik
      Cubans are still out of their mind

      More adequate, the consequences of the collapse of the USSR are obvious.
      In September, let's see if the Russians are still smart or if they agree to wait from ... milk.
  5. +1
    25 July 2021 16: 04
    In such a situation, there is always only one adequate and effective way to solve the problem. Massively go to the square and dismiss ... compradors, who always work out in favor of the external customer of this theatrical performance, designed to simulate "popular unrest". It must be remembered firmly - no compromise is possible. Only dictatorship is possible. And the whole question is in what hands the power will be.
    Because there are always only 2 groups: conditional "populists" on the one hand, for whom the state is only a tool for improving the life of the whole society, and liberals, democrats, republicans, monarchists, businessmen and other rags on the other, working out in favor of their western masters. For the second, the state is a tool with which they want to make beautiful for themselves and their entourage at the expense of the whole society. This is essentially the whole difference between these two groups. The first group is much larger in number than the second, but many have not yet reached the simple truth - one must fight for a good life and no sentimentality, ethics or politeness are inappropriate in this fight.
    1. +9
      25 July 2021 16: 10
      Either the dictatorship (i.e. iron power) of the landowners and capitalists, or the dictatorship of the working class.
      There is no middle way. Barchata, intellectuals, gentlemen, who studied poorly from bad books, dream of the middle in vain. There is no middle ground anywhere in the world and cannot be. Either the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie (covered up with pompous Socialist-Revolutionary and Menshevik phrases about democracy, constituent members, freedoms, etc.), or the dictatorship of the proletariat. Whoever has not learned this from the history of the entire XNUMXth century is a hopeless and ... a diot.


      Lenin
      1. +4
        25 July 2021 16: 13
        Quote: paul3390
        Either the dictatorship (i.e. iron power) of the landowners and capitalists, or the dictatorship of the working class.


        Yes, only this is an outdated definition. It will have to be adjusted to reflect the current era.
        We need a dictatorship of normal people. And now we live under a dictatorship of freaks.
        Just 150 years ago, the social group "proletariat" seemed to the classics as the most sane, healthy and adequate part of society, in contrast to the nouveau riche who went crazy with greed and intellectual degradants sniffing cocaine.
        1. +8
          25 July 2021 16: 15
          Do you seriously want to nag these normal people among the bourgeoisie ?? belay I do not see at all what has radically changed since the writing of Lenin's thesis ... what
          1. +1
            25 July 2021 16: 37
            It would be naive to believe that the bourgeois must be at ... d, because the bourgeois. And the worker is certainly a fine fellow, because he is a worker. We already had one tractor driver with an exemplary peasant background, who learned Lenin by heart and quoted him on any occasion. Scum must be recognized as paramount.

            And Lenin is not a biblical prophet to be quoted as the owner of the ultimate truth. Such a deliberate targeting of bronze is very typical of the bourgeois environment, which literally proclaims the following: capitalism is the best system, there will be no other and there is no need, the end of history has come, because it is so beneficial for us, so rejoice. Therefore, Marxism, as you know, is not a dogma, because it is a living teaching that develops, improves and, among other things, revises previously made erroneous assumptions, which is generally typical for any science.
            1. +5
              25 July 2021 16: 43
              Well - why say the laws of Newton are immutable, but the laws of social development of Marx-Lenin - like not? A strange position .. A prophet, not a prophet - but he knew his business very tightly. And so far, almost everything he wrote has come true. So..

              You are somehow very naive to reason. Of course, a worker is only a preparation for a communist. But here's a bourgeois - he, in essence, cannot be the normal person you are looking for, he has all the brains and the whole mentality is sharpened exclusively for squeezing profit from any situation. Otherwise, he would not have become a bourgeois. So as soon as you pull him up, he will immediately engage in his usual and favorite business - gaining dough. The meaning of the awl to change the soap?
              1. +2
                25 July 2021 16: 48
                Quote: paul3390
                Well - why, let's say Newton's laws are immutable, but the laws of social development of Marx-Lenin - like not?


                If you want to say that Marxism as a doctrine is final, infallible and does not need correction, then there is nothing more to talk about, because this is not a scientific approach. I will say even more - those who want the defeat of Marxism will declare that this teaching is final and immutable. And he will quote Lenin from morning to evening, exponentially touched at the same time. Of course, now it is convenient to quote, since the theory has not passed the test of practice. It's very convenient to advertise a theory that doesn't work.

                Quote: paul3390
                Otherwise, he would not have become a bourgeois.


                In the bourgeois world, in contrast, the choice of a field of activity is a luxury against the background of the daily need for survival for which money is needed and every year more and more money is needed, because the prices are constantly raised by the owners. So, be less categorical about who would not become who if he really wanted to. As you know, the logic of circumstances is stronger than the logic of intentions.
                1. +4
                  25 July 2021 16: 57
                  since the theory has not passed the test of practice

                  Well, if for you 70 years of the USSR and its incredible successes are not a test of practice ... belay

                  Of course - Marxism requires development .. But it would be strange to start this necessary process by denying the successful experience of past generations and their theoretical developments, wouldn't it?
                  1. -1
                    25 July 2021 17: 03
                    Quote: paul3390
                    since the theory has not passed the test of practice

                    Well, if for you 70 years of the USSR and its incredible successes are not a test of practice ...


                    And where is the USSR? And how many millions of lives were lost in the 90s, not to mention the territory? And what about the loyal and sold-out socialist movement around the world, of which the USSR was the vanguard? And what about the theory now? Can you repeat or can you only quote Lenin pompously? A working theory is a working theory because it works.

                    Quote: paul3390
                    But it would be strange to start this necessary process by denying the successful experience of past generations and their theoretical developments, wouldn't it?


                    Why, past generations planned to create the USSR for 60-70 years, so to speak, to test the theory? Like if it has stood for 70 years, it means that they fit into the deadlines, so everything is fine or what?
                    1. +5
                      25 July 2021 17: 57
                      Quote: A_Lex
                      A working theory is a working theory because it works.

                      The laws of physics are not a detailed drawing of an airplane or a nuclear reactor with detailed technological documents on how to do it all down to the last detail and detailed instructions for assembly and operation. The fact that you cannot yet apply the law in practice in one form or another does not mean that it does not work.
                      1. +3
                        25 July 2021 18: 40
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        The laws of physics are not a detailed drawing of an airplane or a nuclear reactor with detailed technological documents on how to do it all down to the last detail and detailed instructions for assembly and operation.


                        Comparison with physics is inappropriate. Because voluntarism does not affect the laws of physics.

                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        The fact that you cannot yet apply the law in practice in one form or another does not mean that it does not work.


                        Well, first, in general, you need to prove that Marxism describes really working laws. All this is proved in practice. As is known, the theory did not pass the test of practice. Because in modern human society, voluntarism is the strongest.
                      2. +3
                        25 July 2021 19: 00
                        Quote: A_Lex
                        Because voluntarism does not affect the laws of physics.

                        So it does not affect socio-economic laws either.
                        Quote: A_Lex
                        All this is proved in practice. As is known, the theory did not pass the test of practice.

                        Did you accurately interpret the results correctly? Commercials, with any bad experience, you can write off any theory for junk. Here you could not collect a nuclear reactor, all nuclear physics sucks in its trash.
                      3. 0
                        25 July 2021 19: 08
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        So it does not affect socio-economic laws either.


                        The existence of socio-economic laws must first be proven. Faith alone is not enough. And the fact that the laws of physics exist is already proven by the plane by its flight.

                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Did you accurately interpret the results correctly? Commercials, with any bad experience, you can write off any theory for junk.


                        With interpretations - to religion. There it is a favorite topic.
                        If the theory does not match the facts, so much the worse for the theory. However, for those who are used to believing, everything is of course exactly the opposite - they usually ignore the facts.
                      4. +2
                        25 July 2021 19: 23
                        Quote: A_Lex
                        The existence of socio-economic laws must first be proven.

                        Hmmm, that is, here is the real historical experience and the repeatability of the results for you is not proof on the one hand, on the other hand proof. As I understand it, depending on your fantasies and mood?
                      5. +2
                        25 July 2021 19: 30
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Hmmm, that is, here is the real historical experience and the repeatability of the results for you is not proof on the one hand, on the other hand proof.


                        Real historical experience of what exactly? In the 20th century, we actually observed a repeatedly reproduced anti-colonial struggle. Including within the framework of civil in Russia, not to mention Cuba, China or Vietnam. What does socio-economic laws have to do with it?

                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        As I understand it, depending on your fantasies and mood?


                        It seems a bit too early for a direct transition to personalities.
                2. +3
                  25 July 2021 19: 46
                  If you had read at least one speech by Fidel Castro, you would not even have hinted at correcting Marxism in relation to Cuba. You just don't own the factual material. But at the same time you object.
                  1. +1
                    25 July 2021 19: 52
                    Quote: Galleon
                    If you had read at least one speech by Fidel Castro, you would not even have hinted at correcting Marxism in relation to Cuba.


                    Well Castro is a wonderful speaker. What `s next? The strength of Marxism is not in the eloquence of individual leaders, but in the fact that social laws supposedly exist and in the assertion that after capitalism the stage of communism supposedly sets in, which, incidentally, does not correspond to the situation in modern highly developed capitalist states, but apparently you just need to believe that when - it will happen.
                    1. +1
                      26 July 2021 10: 53
                      Quote: A_Lex
                      The strength of Marxism is not in the eloquence of individual leaders, but in the fact that social laws supposedly exist and in the assertion that after capitalism the stage of communism supposedly sets in, which, by the way, does not correspond to the situation in modern highly developed capitalist states.

                      Such states as Sweden and Finland, in terms of the strength of their social orientation, are quite consistent with the position of developed socialism.
                      It's not about eloquence: Fidel's strength lies in the formulation of these very laws. Initially, these are not laws, but, as it were, general provisions. How to define public ownership of the means of production? We can say that "everything around is collective farm, everything around is mine," and nobody's, but we can admit the form of cooperatives, societies and family enterprises. The family is also a collective. Where to draw the border so that it is humanly? Here Fidel painstakingly pondered over these very formulations, over the laws, over the decisions made, so that the words Patria o muerte were pronounced by a free person. Though not rich, but free. Read about him, fall in love.
                      1. +2
                        26 July 2021 14: 36
                        Quote: Galleon
                        Such states as Sweden and Finland, in terms of the strength of their social orientation, are quite consistent with the position of developed socialism.


                        Of course no. These are ordinary capitalist states with high taxes and therefore high social security contributions. But as in any other states, the people do not directly govern and are not endowed with sufficient prosperity to choose activities to their liking, because as in any capitalist state, everyone is forced to earn money to cover expensive current expenses and, like in any capitalist state, there is also constant everything becomes more expensive because the owners are constantly raising prices. Suffice it to say that most of the population in these countries does not own a home and has to rent all their lives. So the comparison with socialism is either a special misleading or from ignorance of the real situation. To say that developed capitalism is the same as socialism, only because of the presence of social guarantees in the first, i.e. to reduce everything solely to the amount of income, this is ordinary leftism.

                        Quote: Galleon
                        It's not about eloquence: Fidel's strength lies in the formulation of these very laws. Initially, these are not laws, but, as it were, general provisions. How to define public ownership of the means of production?


                        There are no laws regarding property, and there cannot be. Property, like, for example, the theory of value, is a completely abstract category that does not exist in reality, therefore, the "laws that operate in relation to them here and now" can be the same as they will be invented in a particular territory, which means this not laws at all, because a law in science is something that always works invariably regardless of the desires of a particular person. Like, for example, the laws of physics, which are always strictly the same, no matter in which country they are applied.
              2. +1
                25 July 2021 16: 59
                Somehow Chubais does not fit into your concept, he was not a bourgeois, he became one and his whole gang of watering cans.
              3. +2
                25 July 2021 17: 13
                Quote: paul3390
                So as soon as you pull it up to the top

                You and your opponent are both wrong. In the new socio-economic formation, new laws of economics operate, and it is they that are decisive in human behavior. This is the first thing. And from the fact that Marxism is a living doctrine does not follow that its foundations must be revised every five minutes on the basis of the fact that something seemed to someone there. The scientific method is somewhat different. This is the second thing.
                1. +3
                  25 July 2021 17: 18
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  In the new socio-economic formation, new laws of economics operate, and it is they that are decisive in human behavior. This is the first thing.


                  New formation? New laws? Which ones? Those. if before there was the USSR and it was necessary to share with our workers so as not to anger, now it is no longer necessary to share, so the state is now a night watchman, and all who can be outsourced. Well, as usual, a deliberate policy of lumpenization, which by the way is greatly facilitated by social benefits. And, of course, the old policy of colonialism with a new sauce. What is so radical about it?

                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  And from the fact that Marxism is a living doctrine does not follow that its foundations must be revised every five minutes on the basis of the fact that something seemed to someone there.


                  We are not talking about 5 minutes. But the inadequate realities of the situation will have to be revised, because otherwise the scientific teaching will quickly turn into the gospel.
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                    25 July 2021 17: 49
                    Quote: A_Lex
                    New formation? New laws? Which ones?

                    Exactly. If commodity-money relations disappear, then the laws that operate on their basis will lose their force. And I can't say anything about the new ones. They will already be established on the basis of studying the life of society in the new OEF.
                    Quote: A_Lex
                    But the inadequate realities of the situation will have to be revised, because otherwise the scientific teaching will quickly turn into the gospel.

                    No problem. Which ones, and why?
                    1. +1
                      25 July 2021 17: 54
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      If commodity-money relations disappear


                      And why do you then call this new, as I understand it, the future formation of the socio-economic if there are no commodity-money relations? Economics is the foundation of the bourgeois worldview.

                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      No problem. Which ones, and why?


                      Yes, at least the same division into classes in the context of the relationship to the means of production.
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                        25 July 2021 18: 11
                        Quote: A_Lex
                        And why do you then call this new, as I understand it, the future formation of the socio-economic if there are no commodity-money relations?

                        And that the economy will disappear somewhere? Will economic activity disappear, accounting and distribution will disappear?
                        Quote: A_Lex
                        Yes, at least the same division into classes in the context of the relationship to the means of production.

                        Why? Did they go somewhere these classes?
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                        25 July 2021 18: 23
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        And that the economy will disappear somewhere? Will economic activity disappear, accounting and distribution will disappear?


                        Economic activity will not disappear. But if profit disappears as a value, then the economy will also disappear as a system for carrying out economic activities with the aim of deriving benefits.

                        Quote: A_Lex
                        Why? Did they go somewhere these classes?


                        Because for the most part this is an artificial social categorization that does not correspond to reality. Therefore, the dictatorship of the proletariat collapsed, because the proletarian does not necessarily strive to remain a proletarian throughout his life. And the dictatorship of the big bourgeoisie is alive, because the goal of the big bourgeoisie is to fix the status quo favorable to it, forever remaining oligarchs.
                      3. 0
                        25 July 2021 18: 34
                        Quote: A_Lex
                        then the economy will also disappear, as a system for carrying out economic activities with the aim of deriving benefits.

                        Capitalist, yes, it will disappear. The communist will appear.
                        Quote: A_Lex
                        Because for the most part this is an artificial social categorization that does not correspond to reality.

                        Remind me when our oligarchs voluntarily transferred their capital into the hands of the people? Have I missed this momentous turning point in history?
                        Quote: A_Lex
                        Therefore, the dictatorship of the proletariat collapsed, because the proletarian does not necessarily strive to remain a proletarian throughout his life.

                        Even before, he did not strive in full force, otherwise where did the capitalists come from. That is, your claims are baseless.
                      4. 0
                        25 July 2021 18: 47
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Capitalist, yes, it will disappear. The communist will appear.


                        Not necessary. Now the emphasis is on economics, because benefit is the main value of the dominant worldview.

                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Remind me when our oligarchs voluntarily transferred their capital into the hands of the people? Have I missed this momentous turning point in history?


                        I wrote above literally the following and you could not help but notice:

                        the dictatorship of the big bourgeoisie is alive, because the goal of the big bourgeoisie is to fix the status quo favorable to it, forever remaining oligarchs.


                        so you have no reason for irony

                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Even before, he did not strive in full force, otherwise where did the capitalists come from.


                        A proletarian does not necessarily strive to remain a proletarian, while an oligarch strives to remain an oligarch forever. Therefore, the difference is significant. That is why the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie is so stable, unlike.
            2. +3
              25 July 2021 17: 07
              Quote: A_Lex
              It would be naive to believe that the bourgeois must be at ... d, because the bourgeois. And the worker is certainly a good fellow, because he is a worker.

              In a sense, it is. If the bourgeois does not behave like a bourgeois, he will rather quickly, on average, fly out of the bourgeoisie into the proletariat. So to speak nobles licking.
              1. 0
                25 July 2021 17: 11
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                In a sense, it is. If the bourgeois does not behave like a bourgeois, he will rather quickly, on average, fly out of the bourgeoisie into the proletariat. So to speak nobles licking.


                We are 100% sure that in each individual case the bourgeois behaves this way, because from the very beginning he wants to behave this way, well, that is. because u..d, or maybe he behaves this way, because the system pushes him to such behavior?
                1. 0
                  25 July 2021 17: 21
                  Quote: A_Lex
                  or is it possible that he behaves so-so, because the system pushes him to such behavior?

                  Of course economics is the basis. And the average person behaves according to its laws.
                  1. 0
                    25 July 2021 17: 23
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    Of course economics is the basis. And the average person behaves according to its laws.


                    Economy is the basis in a society for which economic values ​​are paramount. Those. it is not an axiom, as, for example, Planck's constant, but a consequence of a purposeful policy. And politics, as you know, realizes the aspirations of the social group that implements the dictatorship. And the dictatorship is carried out through a special mechanism - the state. A simple conclusion from this is that society can be formatted in different ways, based on different values.
                    1. +1
                      25 July 2021 17: 52
                      Quote: A_Lex
                      A simple conclusion from this is that society can be formatted in different ways, based on different values.

                      That is, it is enough to change these values ​​at will and everything will be ok? And now we have communism instead of the slave system? It is a pity that the ancients did not know about this.
                      1. +3
                        25 July 2021 18: 07
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        That is, it is enough to change these values ​​at will and everything will be ok?


                        Sure. It is enough to change the values, and now the USSR is gone, and instead of it the state, actively selling minerals and actively importing anything, because there is oil, "and we will buy everything that is needed." And for those who steer, for them everything is really ok.

                        At the dawn of import substitution attempts, which, I will note, I had to resort to not because of a good life, but because my beloved partners threw it again, it turned out that even salt is imported in Russia.

                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        And now we have communism instead of the slave system? It is a pity that the ancients did not know about this.


                        The ancients did not know a lot of things, did not know how and did not understand. And in droves. Therefore, at that time it was the slave system that seemed to be the most progressive. By the way, if you remember, communism did not take off in the USSR, in which it was originally planned to create a person of a new type. Because for communism as a system, the consciousness of everyone was important. Expecting the ancients to come up with such abstract heights in those wild times when bloodletting in the gladiator's arena was the main entertainment is to seriously believe in utopia.
                      2. +1
                        25 July 2021 18: 19
                        Quote: A_Lex
                        It is enough to change values

                        Not enough. If there were no economic prerequisites, nothing would have changed. And do not try to prove to me otherwise. I remember very well how the USSR lived and how by the 90s the economy was flying downhill with a rapid jack. The USSR, in the form in which it existed at that time, little resembled a socialist state. Accordingly, the result was logical. Failed to overcome the marketability to get rid of commodity-money relations, the influence of the state on the life of society and did not want to decrease. And so hello arrived. Welcome to capitalism.
                      3. +3
                        25 July 2021 18: 29
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        The USSR, in the form in which it existed at that time, little resembled a socialist state. Accordingly, the result was logical.


                        The result was logical, because the nouveau riche needed to privatize assets that work for the benefit of the whole society. Which they successfully implemented. Therefore, the USSR was destroyed in order to rewrite the rules of the game in a capitalist way, in which it is possible to legally exploit and own property.
                        Russia's current economic indicators are much worse, but nothing has changed. Because the social stratum that implements the dictatorship suits everything.
                      4. +1
                        25 July 2021 19: 06
                        Why did you manage to do this? Because it was not possible to move to a communist economy, to a real communist society. Public consciousness was still in many respects, and indeed it is, very backward.
                      5. +1
                        25 July 2021 19: 17
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Because it was not possible to move to a communist economy, to a real communist society.


                        It is very curious to observe how you demonstrate a sincere belief in the existence of certain social laws, which seem to govern the whole society by themselves, and at the same time you completely fail to notice ordinary human voluntarism.

                        Moreover, this belief is akin to belief in angels, the presence of which is impossible to refute, because it is impossible to prove their absence. It is the same with mythical social laws. It is interesting that by the same methods we are assured both of the existence of angels and of the existence of social laws. Those. corny offer to believe. Moreover, they offer to believe in what an ordinary person would not mind to believe, because he likes the very idea of ​​this society, which somehow looks like both paradise and utopia at the same time.
                      6. -1
                        25 July 2021 18: 53
                        This is what everything is built on. Manipulation and suggestion. Well, the game on the deepest animal, the inner predator - the Minotaur. So rabble, from all over the ball, lives behind a puddle. "You can become rich as they ... strive. Elbows wider, fangs outward, forward, eat your neighbor. The same has stuck with us. Almost."
                        Gimmicks, gimmicks, attempts to cram the unpushable. They propose to transform Marxism. Not modern. Is this purkua?
                        Everything is on the shelves and honestly. Either - or not any adaptations to the current century. The main man of labor, period.
                      7. +3
                        25 July 2021 19: 02
                        Quote: Essex62
                        They propose to transform Marxism. Not modern. Is this purkua?


                        Right. The world socialist system is long gone. Nothing threatens capitalism. Marxism has not passed the test of practice. Hence what? Consequently, Marxism, in the form in which it is, is not dangerous for capitalism. There is nothing to transform it. Let it be studied in the form in which it is, all the same, there will be no real sense from this, but all these active and proactive people can so easily and simply be directed down the wrong path.
                      8. +2
                        25 July 2021 19: 14
                        No, not like that. Theory is only a theory, but the basis on which everything is built for capitalism is very dangerous. Therefore, any of its manifestations are stifled, and in our country it is no less zealous than in the West. A kirdyk to capitalism in a separately taken, at first, country can occur under certain conditions, when not imprisoned for people, it bursts and surrenders. As it was at the beginning of the last century. War, for example. Even faster now than then.
                      9. +4
                        25 July 2021 19: 18
                        Quote: A_Lex
                        Consequently, Marxism, in the form in which it is, is not dangerous for capitalism.

                        Dangerous. Therefore, they are trying in every way to discredit him. They encourage all sorts of freaks, demagogues and swindlers to fool people and take them away from the right path. They suppress any more or less serious activity of the left. Take even this parsley pseudo-communist Platoshkin who was convicted and then, on the basis of the law, was eliminated from the number of possible candidates for the Duma. So shaaaa you have some strange ideas about the surrounding reality.
                      10. +3
                        25 July 2021 19: 25
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        So shtaaa you have some strange ideas about the surrounding reality.


                        Why strange? You now believe that Marxism will win. Someday. It doesn't matter when exactly, but it will win. And this, of course, can very much bribe someone, as always any demonstration of faith in something pure, bright, good bribes.

                        I, unlike you, do not know how it will be there in the future. I see that after 150 years, capitalism has won massively. And even in China, capitalism is now, albeit with increased social guarantees lately.
          2. +3
            25 July 2021 20: 20
            paul3390:
            which has changed dramatically since the writing of Lenin's thesis


            Hello Paul!

            The changes, which may not be dramatic, but very significant, are quite obvious.
            Of course, the class division into owners of finance capital, owners of the means of production and employees has not gone anywhere. But by 1917, the proletariat (real, not marginal) is, first of all, workers in heavy industry, already by virtue of their specialty, requiring certain knowledge, possessing the ability to think and draw conclusions. Realizing that the oppression of the capitalists will sooner or later (and rather early) crush them, they were the first to accept the ideas of the socialists. And even being against the background of a huge inert peasant mass, they were not very numerous, but possessing a certain authority in their environment, these proletarians excited people's brains and charged them with their determination to fight an unjust world order. The dictatorship of precisely this part of the working class (which “has nothing to lose but its chains”) was seen by the ideologists of the socialist revolution as the basis of the future state structure.
            Today's skilled worker is in a different situation and is not at all like a proletarian of a century ago, both ideologically and materially. Not to mention the fact that revolutionaries with sane long-term and short-term goals and a well-thought-out program are not visible.
            What class are you ready to offer today for the role of a potential hegemon?

            Best regards,
            Michael
            1. +1
              25 July 2021 20: 46
              Quote: OldMichael
              What class are you ready to offer today for the role of a potential hegemon?


              No. To distinguish classes according to the nature of economic activity and in relation to the means of production is worse than a mistake, it is nonsense that only misleads.
              1. +1
                25 July 2021 21: 34
                A_Lex:
                To distinguish classes according to the nature of economic activity and in relation to the means of production is worse than a mistake, it is nonsense that only misleads.


                Hello A_Lex!
                If you are an employee of Paul, answering the questions asked to him, then please explain what Paul thinks about class division in general and whether there are now grounds for such a division.
                If classes exist - by what criteria should they be distinguished, if not - how and how are social role / position and social distance determined? (please do not confuse it with the covid sanitary distance, which someone, due to misunderstanding, called the social)
                Well, if you are responsible for him proactively, then do not forget to note this (what if Paul has his own thoughts on this?)
                1. +3
                  25 July 2021 22: 14
                  Quote: OldMichael
                  If you are an employee of Pavel


                  Strange reaction. You write as if you do not know that in the format of a forum discussion, any post can be commented, regardless of who it was originally addressed to. Anyway.

                  It makes sense to single out classes in society with only one purpose - to understand which of them is capable of imposing their dictatorship on society. Practice has shown that only the big bourgeoisie is capable of this. Those. roughly speaking "owners". Interestingly, practice has shown what was already known from the time of the Roman Empire and earlier. The notorious dictatorship of the proletariat has not survived anywhere, including the DPRK and China, which once again proved the utopian nature of this whole idea.
                  1. 0
                    25 July 2021 22: 44
                    A_Lex:
                    You write like thatиеthose do not seem to know that in the format of a forum discussion, any post can be commented, regardless of who it was originally addressed to.


                    Some etiquette has developed at VO. Hope it won't get killed.
                  2. 0
                    25 July 2021 22: 46
                    A_Lex:
                    The notorious dictatorship of the proletariat has not survived anywhere, including the DPRK and China, which once again proved the utopian nature of this whole idea.


                    Is it necessary to understand this statement of yours in such a way that Marx's teaching about socio-economic formations and the class structure of society (and about the leading role of the most interested classes in the change / modernization of the existing system) was erroneous, or lost its relevance?
                    1. +3
                      25 July 2021 23: 17
                      Quote: OldMichael
                      Is it necessary to understand this statement of yours in such a way that Marx's teaching about socio-economic formations and the class structure of society (and about the leading role of the most interested classes in the change / modernization of the existing system) was erroneous, or lost its relevance?


                      It is corny for an ordinary person to admit the obvious. That he is on his own. Therefore, he comes up with the supernatural, social laws, the elite, so that the matter looks as if a person is in some "natural, natural" system, as in a house, which by its very presence protects him from frightening uncertainty. Because for a person, any system is better than its absence. The system provides the main thing - seeming predictability, which means security, which is a priori absent in a situation of uncertainty. And when a person picks up the courage and finally admits to himself that no "natural" system exists, and such a system needs to be invented by him and solely for one purpose, in order to ensure a normal life for everyone, because there is no other imputed purpose to be cannot, only then what is called life will improve.
                      1. 0
                        25 July 2021 23: 51
                        A_Lex:
                        when a person picks up the courage and finally admits to himself that no "natural" system exists, and such a system must be invented by himself and invented solely with one goal in order to ensure a normal life for everyone, because there can be no other imputed goal


                        A very radical statement!
                        To begin with, you "+" for the consistency of views, but in essence - I will think in the morning, which is wiser than the evening.

                        Thank you!
                      2. 0
                        25 July 2021 23: 53
                        PS And what about Marx's teaching?
                      3. +2
                        26 July 2021 00: 01
                        Quote: OldMichael
                        PS And what about Marx's teaching?


                        As with anyone else. Anything that corresponds to reality is good. There is only one controller - reality.
                      4. 0
                        26 July 2021 03: 34
                        Those. the power of the proletariat and the oppression of the backbone is fiction and was it not? A very bold statement. There are still many people who do not accept the laws of the jungle. Much more than you think. In the current reality, the way it is. Moreover, it happened due to completely objective circumstances, and one reality was replaced by another. Why doesn't she roll over again? Socialism is just, and it is human nature to strive for the best.
                        Dzerzhinsky was also scared by the shackles of the thundering man, but he won the fear, because he knew he was right. It is not necessary for a person to be a trembling creature, to liken it to an animal.
                      5. +2
                        26 July 2021 11: 06
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Those. the power of the proletariat and the oppression of the backbone is fiction and was it not? Very bold statement.


                        Ascribing to an opponent what he did not say is a method from the arsenal of sophistry. Sophistry is a collection of vile, fraudulent discussion techniques.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        power of the proletariat


                        The power of the proletariat held out for an extremely insignificant historical period. And it has not survived anywhere.
                        Analogy: the constructed plane took off, hung a little in the air and crashed down. And so every time. What does it mean? This means that theory in practice does not work as intended. So the designers of such an aircraft will not be patted on the head for this. And with Marxism, the opposite is true, judging by the comments in response to me in this thread. Almost everyone argues that this is a great theory that does not need any revision. The plane doesn’t fly, but everyone applauds the designers, despite the fact that the king is naked.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        There are still many people who do not accept the laws of the jungle. Much more than You see.


                        Quote: A_Lex
                        Because there are always only 2 groups: conditional "populists" on the one hand, for whom the state is only a tool for improving the life of the whole society ... The first group is numerically much larger than the second.


                        Learn to read carefully to begin with. And understand what you read. Then maybe learn to write without the use of dastardly, fraudulent methods of dispute.
                      6. 0
                        26 July 2021 13: 47
                        There are no Narodniks among the zhrebetniks, and there cannot be. If you are not satisfied with the proletariat, let's call it differently - a man of labor. You admit otherwise, or am I mistaken?
                        And accusing me of meanness is not fair. I read you carefully, but I do not accept, in any form, the preservation of the possibility of profit. This automatically leads to inequality, not only in incomes and living standards, but also in a person's awareness of his place in society. Again, not equal and humiliated.
                      7. +2
                        26 July 2021 14: 18
                        Quote: Essex62
                        If you are not satisfied with the proletariat, let's call it differently - a man of labor.


                        A man of labor is a non-specific characteristic. A person of labor is not automatically not ur - oh, just because he works, just as education or erudition does not automatically make a person highly moral. The phrase "working man" is perceived positively on a purely emotional level against the background of the mention of "backbones". It turns out that the former work honestly, and the latter are "parasites who are phony", from which an allegedly unfair situation follows, since a situation is considered fair when everyone has an equal share of everything, including the labor contribution of everyone, which is, in general, a complete idiocy.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        And accusing me of meanness is not fair.


                        What about your understanding? The characterization of the methods used by a person is not an automatic characteristic of the person himself. Because the intentions of a person are unknown to anyone except the person himself. You may well have been using dastardly, fraudulent methods out of ignorance. From this you do not automatically become a scoundrel or a crook. After all, this must be proven, but it is impossible to prove intentions.
                  3. 0
                    27 July 2021 12: 21
                    practice has shown what was already known from the time of the Roman Empire and earlier

                    Thank you for reading all your comments with pleasure. One can feel a good education (while I find it difficult to grasp which one) and critical systemic thinking. "remark"
                    Do you think that a certain conventional meritocracy has little chance of becoming firmly established in society? How, for example, was the period of the "five good emperors" of the Roman Empire you mentioned? Or its (system) modern counterpart. Still, the selection of systems has so far shown the greatest efficiency of capitalism for development. This is reality, whether we like it or not.
                    I have not yet grasped which system you are a supporter of)
                    1. +1
                      27 July 2021 21: 21
                      Quote: Yamamoto
                      Still, the selection of systems


                      A system that has sunk into oblivion is not a system.

                      Quote: Yamamoto
                      the greatest efficiency of capitalism for development.


                      Even his herald later disowned the notorious end of history.

                      Quote: Yamamoto
                      for development.


                      Development is not a goal.

                      Quote: Yamamoto
                      I have not yet grasped which system you are a supporter of)


                      The only possible one, of course. First and last.
                      1. -2
                        28 July 2021 10: 35
                        A system that has sunk into oblivion is not a system.

                        Why is this? ) Not effective and past, but the system is the same)
                        Even his herald later disowned the notorious end of history.

                        The only possible one, of course. First and last.

                        Are you vague, sorry (Or I'm dumb
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      0
      30 July 2021 09: 54
      100%. Countries with the so-called. society of "social harmony" - managed to competently hide the contradictions between the layers, creating an unspoken dictatorship.
  6. +5
    25 July 2021 16: 56
    I repeat for the hundredth time that it is necessary to restore relations with Cuba in different directions.
  7. +1
    25 July 2021 17: 46
    Which should have been proved: the Communists themselves destroyed the USSR!
    1. +2
      25 July 2021 18: 56
      I was a communist opposed to the collapse, and who brought down, were not communists by definition. Nehru to hang labels on all.
      1. +1
        26 July 2021 09: 12
        But they called themselves communists, and they shook their party cards and decided our destinies. I'm talking about them, about the leadership, rotten through and through.
        1. +1
          26 July 2021 14: 20
          hi I apologize, you are right here.
          This, however, did not happen immediately and did not happen suddenly. But the fact that the traitor was dragged to the very top, it suggests a rotten top. Especially the Office. That they could not figure out the sent Cossack? Everything was on the surface. Just dig.
  8. +1
    25 July 2021 19: 27
    Cuba alone is still happy. May God grant her health.
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    1. -1
      25 July 2021 21: 35
      The unit in which I served as an emergency has traditionally been a staging post for sending troops overseas (and returning, of course). From time to time they came to us in sandals, panamas and caps, in branded sunglasses from the southern edges, obviously. It was immediately evident that the foreign countries had arrived. smile
      hi
  10. -1
    25 July 2021 20: 11
    We need to help Cuba! And food and medicine and everything else you need. This will not even be help, but active repentance for their betrayal by our former rulers, the Marked and Alkonaut.
    1. +1
      26 July 2021 18: 43
      and active repentance for betrayal

      What is the mythical "betrayal"? In unwillingness to keep a foreign country free of charge on an unlimited basis "for beautiful eyes" or "because they showed Uncle Sam a fig"?
  11. 0
    25 July 2021 20: 49
    7 times was there ... I want more laughing
  12. 0
    25 July 2021 21: 27
    Help Cuba - tourists. What we, because of our poverty, cannot and cannot do in the foreseeable.
    Who cares: "... the structure of inbound tourism in Cuba: for example, in 2019, the TOP-3 key markets included Canada (1,12 million people), the United States (almost 500 thousand) and Russia (almost 178 thousand people), ... "https://www.atorus.ru/news/press-centre/new/53870.html
    Note that Europe does not pay attention ...
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  13. 0
    26 July 2021 12: 35
    The Internet will most likely be cut off, and TV sets will no longer be sold to the population.
  14. 0
    1 August 2021 11: 02
    Amer's ears stick out in both the murder story and the riot story. More precisely, tsereushnye ears. They shit all over the world, wherever they can ...

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