"Jacket" for the samurai

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"Jacket" for the samurai

Some time ago, VO published a material about militaristic sentiments in Japanese society. We talked about how Japan has clearly grasped the changes in international relations. The Japanese decided to use the confrontation between the United States, China and Russia to realize their old dream - the return of the "northern territories". The country's political elite decided, under the protection of American aircraft carriers, to return the Kuril Islands to their jurisdiction.

The Japanese media, leaders of political parties, public activists more and more often in their speeches and publications began to raise the topic of strengthening the Japanese army, diplomatic pressure on Moscow on the Kuril issue, and the deployment of an additional contingent of the American army on its territory.



"Nuclear weapon Russia will not use it, but we will cope with the rest ”...

So, the samurai are reviving their "spirit" again. True, the "samurai spirit" has modernized. Modern Japanese warriors are gradually becoming "Asian Europeans." Probably because Japan was unlucky with its neighbors, completely "the most", having the strongest army and the largest territory, the strongest economy and population, claiming first place in the world, and so on.

That is why a large, by European standards, country has a feeling of its smallness. Therefore, the mentality of the Japanese is changing.

"We are strong, but not strong enough to independently confront any of the neighboring states - Russia or China."

But at the same time, the Japanese, like the Europeans, hope that the Americans will fight for them.

"We give you our independence, and you protect us."

Such is the slave psychology.

The society was warmed up quite strongly. So much so that even talk about the withdrawal of the Americans from Okinawa stopped. Forgotten all the events related to the behavior of the American military and all other negativity that accompanies the presence of a military base on the island.

And suddenly ... an explosion. Not a man-made disaster like Fukushima, not an enemy attack, not even the explosion of a small-caliber artillery shell.

The Japanese press blew up society with numerous reports about ... the successful test of the Russian Zircon missile in the Barents Sea. It would seem, where is the Barents Sea, and where is Japan? Well, the Russians did the tests, so what? But if you read the Japanese press carefully, you can find the essence of Japanese fears. And they are connected not so much with Russia as with China:

"If they go to Asia, and even go to China, we are finished!"

Note that the Japanese are not particularly worried about the "Zircons" that Russia will already have. Russia will not attack first. If you don’t get the bear, he will live peacefully in his taiga and will not even think about an attack. True, if you press him seriously, destroying the "food base" with sanctions, the bear will visit the village and will feed already at the expense of those who "cut down his raspberry tree".

Very indicative in this respect is the material from the major Japanese information portal Yahoo News Japan. Pay attention to the figures carefully calculated by Japanese journalists. So, the speed of the Zircon is about Mach 10. Translated into the common language, about 10000 km per hour. The distance between the territories of Japan and China is about 350 km. Hence, the time of the rocket's arrival to the territory of Japan is less than 2 minutes!

And now we look at the message of the RF Ministry of Defense:

"Launch of the Zircon hypersonic missile from the Project 22350 frigate" Admiral fleet Soviet Union Pots "in the White Sea".

“The missile was able to reach a speed of about 9,5 thousand km / h and hit a“ difficult target position ”located in the Barents Sea. In total, the Zircon flew 450 km. "

A difficult target position is the presence of several targets at once that must be hit. And it was done. This is what frightened the Japanese. A missile, after the launch of which it is simply physically impossible to have time to activate the missile defense, a missile that is guaranteed to hit the target ... It is impossible to track, it is impossible to destroy the guaranteed target defeat. Horror.

But that's not all. Add to everything else the statement of President Vladimir Putin, and he knows a lot more about Zircon than Japanese journalists:

"Equipping our Armed Forces <...> with the latest, truly unparalleled weapons systems in the world, undoubtedly, ensures the defense capability of our state in the long term."

Let's add memories of 2019, when Vladimir Putin announced that such missiles would be in service with the Russian surface and submarine fleet if the Americans deploy new missiles in Europe. Posted. Let's add the Poseidon trials that are already underway. What is reported by Western media. Let's add the ability to equip the Zircon and Poseidon with nuclear warheads ...

No wonder the Pentagon announced the need for negotiations on limiting hypersonic weapons. Only the second time we will not go for it. And Putin is far from Gorbachev.

"Seek, and you will find, push, and it will be opened to you." Translated into Russian, these words from Holy Scripture sound simply: - “Seek and you will find; knock, and it will be opened for you. " Get your way and learn to treat your partner as a partner, not as a vassal.

I didn't really want to


In order to find out the mood in society, it is enough to look at the main forums in Japan. The same Yahoo News Japan, for example. Moreover, such monitoring will be much more accurate, for example, monitoring Russian forums. Simply because Japanese people use the Internet much more often, and this is a common occurrence for Japanese subjects regardless of age.

Here are some of the most revealing comments from the Japanese:

"Abcdefg

Apparently, Russia is actively involved in the rocket race. In such a race, countries with a large territory win. Russia is in an advantageous position in it. Japan is small and has no chance. "

"Shi

On June 26, a mysterious thunder was heard over Sapporo and other cities in Hokkaido. Could it be that the "Zircons" passed the supersonic barrier ?! "

"Xuw

With the development of such weapons, both strategically and tactically small countries become more vulnerable. In Japan, there will simply be nowhere to run! If China and Russia unite, America cannot defeat them. Nixon once separated Russia from China. Now the process is reversed! "

"J_m

If such a missile carries a nuclear warhead, then there is no escape from it. Armageddon!"

You see how the mood of some part of the Japanese society has changed. Gone are the militaristic sentiments and there is some kind of doom. I don't know where it comes from, but it is. Perhaps this is part of the Japanese mentality. The Japanese live on the coast, where tsunamis periodically occur. They even have the concept of Yoke rarenakatta, which in Russian sounds very clear: what will be, will not be avoided.

There are other opinions as well. In particular, that it would be nice to become friends of the Russians, and then the fear will disappear. Not enemies, not opponents, but partners, allies, friends.

TMK

Russians have good heads! It is no coincidence that they became the first in space! I wish I could combine their genius with our practicality! "

There are not many such comments yet. The long-term work of Japanese radicals has an effect. The "Northern Territories" have become a kind of symbol of the rebirth of Japan. After all, in fact, most of the Japanese are not interested in these islands.

But look at the campaign promises of Japanese politicians, the promises of Japanese governments. In all (not in the majority, but in all) statements of the winning candidates, there is always a promise to solve the "problem of the northern territories."

There are comments from Japanese youth. Those who study all questions on Wikipedia. Alas, the world today is so arranged that truth and truth often did not even stand nearby. Today, what most users think is true is true. Japanese youth are no different in this sense from any other youth:

"Shi

Due to its poverty, Russia will immediately sell these missiles to China. Then we are lost! "

"Sei

Probably, only the most powerful laser can handle such a rocket. That's what needs to be developed! "

Again, in general, you can see one detail. The Kuril Islands are no longer in question. When your house is under attack, you don't want to think about the capture of someone else. Our "Zircon" worked interestingly. Like a straitjacket in a mental hospital. The violent patient, who has just threatened to destroy everything and everyone, is reassured. He was simply deprived of the ability to move.

Perhaps, with appropriate treatment, he will be able to return to normal life after some time. Or perhaps this jacket (as the local orderlies call the shirt) is the beginning of a completely new life. The life of a patient in a specialized hospital.

Briefly at the end


I will not write about how Japan's policy will change with the advent of Zircon. Ultimately, an antidote can be found for any poison. Zircon is a one-time, temporary solution. True, judging by the information that is published in open sources, Russia has enough time to go further.

I will not discuss with whom Moscow will share its achievements in the field of armaments either. Simply because I know the difference between the weapons that the Russian army possesses and those that are sold to other countries. We have moved away from the "Warsaw Pact" option: what we have is what you have.

But the fact that the policy of military construction and rearmament of the army, chosen by President Putin and Minister Shoigu, turned out to be correct. We not only pulled ahead in some positions, but also forced the West to catch up with us. Catch up and spend huge amounts of money in this race.

Japan is a perfect example. Most visible today. Quite recently we talked about the insecurity of our Far East, about the superiority of the Japanese fleet, about the weakness of our positions in general. And suddenly it turned out that the long-term expenses of the Japanese, their efforts to revive the army and navy, were in vain.

The country is practically unprotected and, if the enemy wishes and has fundamentally new weapons, it can be destroyed in a fairly short time. The time when the Americans ruled alone is over. The time when the insular position was an advantage is over.

The world is changing rapidly. The position of countries in this new world is also changing. It is no longer possible to stop this process. Neither the United States, nor the PRC, nor the Russian Federation can do this without prejudice to themselves. We will wait for the "next unexpected event" in the field of armaments. It is not yet clear how the defense capabilities of even the great powers will change in the near future. It's hard to even think about the "second, third and other echelons" ...
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  1. 0
    23 July 2021 04: 22
    ***
    Don't play the fool, Japan
    Here are those boots, you are freezing, I suppose.
    Sakhalin and Hokkaido are two coasts:
    Sake, vodka, pollock and salmon.
    Sake, vodka, pollock and salmon ...
    ***
    1. -22
      23 July 2021 07: 19
      . By their poverty Russia will immediately sell these missiles to China. Then we are lost!

      So what if there are African salaries in Russia !! But our services are cheap! Just like in the same Africa !! The poor Japanese do not understand this!)))

      Talking about with whom Moscow will share its achievements in the field of armaments, too I will not... Just because know the difference between the weapons that the Russian army possesses and those that are sold to other countries.

      I know the difference, but I won't tell you! Is this how the author flirts with the reader?

      Answer then, knowing the difference, why do the Americans almost never sell their advanced air defense systems (capable of organizing an A2 / AD access ban zone) to anyone, and Russia - to anyone and even on credit?
      1. KCA
        +17
        23 July 2021 07: 32
        The USA is sold to its satellites and vassals by the Patriot, then they say, and there is a pack2, you pay a billion, then they say there is a pack3, another, then there is a pack4, another, then a pack5, give some more money, but in fact that is a pack1, that a pack5 is a guano, but try give up
        1. +9
          23 July 2021 10: 45
          This is standard travel sales practice.
          I remember 20 years ago, in an English lesson, I read an article about siding sales in the United States.
          The divorce scheme is simple:
          Comrade parish and says there is a wonderful and cheap siding at home. The client quickly agrees and signs the papers.
          But that smart-ass comrade says. Ouch. you have hurricanes here, and the siding that you bought is only 80 km / s wind resistant. For your case, you need another more durable (well, it costs accordingly). And the contract has already been signed, but you can change one for another.
          At the same time, the price is not at all budgetary.
          1. KCA
            +9
            23 July 2021 10: 50
            Yes, you know, back in the days of the USSR, somehow, bypassing the Jackson-Venik amendment, JINR bought a PDP11 / 70 computer, a year later they say that there is an opportunity to double the productivity, how many thousands, well, what, we agreed, came specialist, with a suitcase, took out a screwdriver, unscrewed the lid, screwed it on - ready
            1. 0
              25 July 2021 03: 00
              1 dollar per hit. To Know Where 99.
              1. +1
                25 July 2021 13: 53
                Nothing in Japan's mentality will change.
                They are too accustomed to the thought "the islands must be returned" and "it is impossible to sign a peace treaty with Russia."
                China, even when (exactly "when", not "if") it will have its own hypersonic missiles, nafig did not give up to unleash a war with Japan. Problems are more profitable.
                And the Japanese will get used, as the people of the Cold War were used to, that one day atomic bombs may suddenly fall from the sky. And they will continue to live as they did
                1. +2
                  25 July 2021 16: 09
                  It seems to me that you are right, Japan will not give up its desire to seize as much territory as possible from the Russian Federation and will wait for an opportunity. The main thing for the Russian Federation now is not to give up its positions, to strengthen the army, the navy, to raise the economy and the standard of living of the indigenous population of the Russian Federation and not to be led by capitulators and corrupt politicians who want to surrender the territory of the Russian Federation to foreigners, some part of them, or economic rights to them ... should remain Russians and only Russians, without any concessions to Japan ...
        2. +7
          23 July 2021 13: 21
          -Can we bang?
          -We will definitely bang. But then. The whole world is in dust. (C) DMB
          When will Japan return our island of Hokkaido to us?
      2. +6
        23 July 2021 08: 49
        Quote: Stas157
        Answer then, knowing the difference, why do the Americans almost never sell their advanced air defense systems (capable of organizing an A2 / AD access ban zone) to anyone, and Russia - to anyone and even on credit?

        Because the United States is insidious and is always ready to attack even its partners, and therefore the air defense system has a toothache for the United States. Anyone who takes Russian air defense diverts some of the US weapons to himself, and he also becomes, if not an ally of Russia, not an enemy, that's for sure. To some countries, I would generally give air defense for free, for example, such as Vietnam, Cuba, which would only contribute to stability around them and on the planet as a whole.
        1. +8
          23 July 2021 13: 33
          You don’t have to give anything to anyone for free, because it’s not appreciated! You need to take a bunch of bananas ..
          1. +4
            23 July 2021 13: 44
            Quote: max702
            You don’t have to give anything to anyone for free, because it’s not appreciated! You need to take a bunch of bananas ..

            I agree, but in my commentary the emphasis is made on the fact that other things free of charge by us are allowed "donated", tying up part of the forces of our potential enemy, and it saves us at least by the fact that the enemy is forced to reserve part of his forces for stopping more and more new types of weapons appearing in different parts of the world. It will be more difficult for him to gather strength into a fist, and if you spread your fingers you will not hit, without the likelihood of breaking them. Something like this.
    2. +3
      23 July 2021 23: 39
      You see how the mood of some part of the Japanese society has changed. Militaristic sentiments have disappeared and some kind of doom has appeared.
      It seems to me that the author has gone too far with regard to the Japanese. If you wish, you can find many more comments of the opposite direction. While the Japanese are under the Americans. But they will fight fiercely for their territory, even when the Americans abandon them. They have nowhere to retreat. It is a pity that they do not understand that no one will fight with them, they will simply "throw a couple of extra megatons" and that's it. That we need to negotiate with us for mutual benefit. And when they understand, no one will negotiate with them.
  2. +1
    23 July 2021 04: 40
    "Jacket" for the samurai
    Today, 04: 15
    Exactly. You can also - "wooden pea jacket". bully
  3. +2
    23 July 2021 04: 43
    That would be to put "Zircons" in the Far East to reach the territory of our striped "partners"! Eternal diarrhea, will help them treat Russia with great respect.
  4. +6
    23 July 2021 04: 44
    For clarity, in this case, the speed of "Zircon" is better represented in m / s. 2600 m / s. Blinked - and she flew 2.5 km. And then you realize that you have a khan.
    1. +1
      23 July 2021 04: 54

      mmaxx
      Today, 04: 44
      0
      For clarity, in this case, the speed of "Zircon" is better represented in m / s. 2600 m / s. Blinked - and she flew 2.5 km. And then you realize that you have a khan.
      I suppose you will not have time to understand "what a khan for you." wink
    2. +5
      23 July 2021 08: 24
      Blinked - and she flew 2.5 km.

      You blink very slowly. wink
      1. +2
        23 July 2021 08: 35
        There is a laughing
        Then: you won't have time to say twenty-two wink
    3. 0
      23 July 2021 14: 37
      Blinked - and she flew 2.5 km. And then you realize that you have a khan.


      That is, no one is afraid of conventional medium-range missiles of the same ancient Pershing-2 class? There, too, "blinked, and already the khan." And China has had them for a long time.
      Or do they know how to shoot down warheads? It seems not yet. And it is unlikely that "Zircon" in a dense atmosphere in the final section flies faster than a conventional ballistic warhead.
    4. -1
      23 July 2021 16: 01
      Yes Yes Yes. And they are khan and us khan, guaranteed mutual destruction is called.
      1. +1
        24 July 2021 09: 34
        Quote: burger
        Yes Yes Yes. And they are khan and us khan, guaranteed mutual destruction is called.

        Don't put it in your pants, and you will be carried laughing
    5. +2
      23 July 2021 23: 43
      Blinked - and she flew 2.5 km.
      Add, the speed of propagation of the front of the shock wave of a nuclear explosion is 2 km / s. They will not have time to mew - there will be no one to ascertain. 150 kt - 30 km of severe damage.
  5. +4
    23 July 2021 05: 24
    The US has declared "economic war" on Moscow, says a senior Russian senator, saying the missile tests are not a provocation, but a response to hostility

    One of Russia's top lawmakers, Senator Alexei Pushkov, defended his country's decision to showcase the capabilities of a new high-tech missile system, arguing that Washington, not Moscow, was escalating tensions.
    Pushkov spoke on Tuesday after Defense Department spokesman John Kirby said the launch of the Zircon hypersonic missile from a Russian warship in the White Sea was a "destabilizing" move. wassat “You have to ask [Russian President] Vladimir Putin why he chose this path,” the official said. Hypersonic weapons were banned by the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, from which the United States unilaterally withdrew in 2001. Putin then said that the White House's decision was a mistake. (Yankees laughed and put the bolt down)

    Responding to comments, Pushkov said that it would be unfair to assume that Russia would destabilize the state of relations between the two powers, citing “NATO's deliberate encroachment on the country's borders, the militarization of Ukraine, and the deployment of American troops in neighboring countries. countries and deployment of anti-missile defense systems in them ”.

    He also denounced "the imposition of 75 different sanctions - which is a series of acts of economic warfare" and asked, "Does Kirby know about all this?"

    In April, Putin said next-generation "hypersonic and laser" weapons were a key part of the country's future arsenal to deter aggression from abroad. “We have patience, confidence and righteousness on our side,” Putin added. “I hope no one would ever cross the red line in relations with Russia. We have to determine where this line is. "
    1. -1
      24 July 2021 08: 43
      strange logic ... to fight in an economic war with a weapon for an ordinary one .. it's like playing chess with a "Kalash" ... provided that you can't shoot - "Kalash" behind your back - it won't help you in any way ... if it's an economic war -weapons must be "economic"
      1. 0
        24 July 2021 10: 20
        The war is fought on all priorities.
        Higher in terms of economic power, ideological, for example. Don’t you? So we constitutionally enshrined that marriage is a union of a man and a woman. And they banned LGBT propaganda. What's wrong? Or, historically, they consolidated the results of the Second World War. Below is a picture, have you studied it?
        1. 0
          24 July 2021 11: 28
          great picture, Ruslan! however, I would nevertheless correct .. the economic one is a separate war, and not as part of the information one .. it was not for nothing that K. Marx said: “The way of production of material life determines the social, political and spiritual processes of life in general. Not consciousness people are determined by their being, but, on the contrary, their social being determines their consciousness "
          those. defeating an economically strong country is noticeably more difficult, oh, how much more difficult than a hungry and poorly economic one, and the consequence of a weak economy .. + removal from technology + removal from world markets, etc. is all an economic war .. a very powerful weapon .. at the end After all, economic and ideological weapons now rule the world, while conventional ones do their will ..
          but what can I say, the same Japanese, first of all economically in WW2, the allies were blown away .. and the Germans were blown away by problems in the economy, not least ..
          still agree - is it wrong to put economic power on a par, for example, with factual? for me different power at all ..
          As for LGBT people. You know .. I don’t belong to LGBT people and I don’t like them .. and I also bring up children .. but they are .. but propaganda was correctly banned .. although as they say, "they cannot reproduce, but that- then there are more and more of them. " But in principle, if they do not climb with propaganda, let them do whatever they want with each other ...
          marriage man / woman .. a formality - LGBT people can also have joint property, live together, etc. and what a pity, even children, if they try hard (for example? Yes, at least Filya, that Alla Borisovna's sidekick) (although this is still in our country, thank God it is difficult for them) ..
          By the way, there is a legal incident - the Russian Federation recognizes marriages concluded in other countries, so they can get married there and come back as officially married ..
          The results of the Second World War were fixed .. this is definitely good .. but .. if I thought that we won, then I will count without it, and whoever did not count (all sorts of foreigners and marginals) will consider that they did not win, even though they wrote down, at least not .. ie how it works? and is it really inside the Russian Federation that many people dispute the results of the Second World War? and foreigners do not care what we have in the Constitution ..
          My opinion, if we summarize, in our time, economic weapons have already become stronger than usual .. the world economy has too much influence on the world .. it has never been like this before .. now who rules the world economy rules the world ..
          1. +4
            24 July 2021 20: 14
            "Defeating an economically strong country is noticeably more difficult, oh, how much more difficult than a hungry and poorly economic one, and the consequence of a weak economy .. + removal from technology + removal from world markets, etc. is all an economic war .." But what about Vietnam, Cuba, Afghanistan?
            1. -2
              24 July 2021 20: 59
              these are countries where stability and everyone is happy with the government? where is the standard of living such who is envied? Has the USSR ever compared the standard of living of citizens with "Vietnam, Cuba, Afghanistan"?
          2. +3
            24 July 2021 21: 59
            In Karelia, the first criminal case has been initiated under the article on the rehabilitation of Nazism for the posts of a 45-year-old resident of Segezha in the social network, in which he proposed to judge the veterans of the Great Patriotic War for "looting and violence."

            On his VKontakte page, he posted messages defaming Soviet soldiers-liberators. The defendant in the criminal case said that the soldiers of the Red Army, which liberated Europe from fascism, are marauders and rapists, and the Wehrmacht wars are much more humane. He expressed the idea that our veterans of the Great Patriotic War should not be honored on May 9, but tried.

            The criminal case under Part 1 of Art. 354.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation was initiated on the basis of the materials of the FSB of the Russian Federation in Karelia by the investigators of the first department for the investigation of especially important cases of the Investigative Directorate of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation in the republic.
            -----
            And you say: "And is it really inside the Russian Federation that many people dispute the results of the Second World War?"
            Something like this ...
            1. 0
              25 July 2021 06: 15
              is, was and will be .. I said that the marginals and foreigners ... this is a pure marginal .. idiots .. as the famous comedy says ..
  6. +8
    23 July 2021 05: 27
    "Trample" everyone laughing , enemies are innumerable, but we are army, with advanced weapons. laughing
  7. -1
    23 July 2021 05: 32
    The position of countries in this new world is also changing. It is no longer possible to stop this process. Neither the USA nor the PRC, nor RF They can no longer do this without prejudice to themselves.
    belay Uh-uh, how is it in Russian? feel
  8. +7
    23 July 2021 06: 07
    I would like to know the author's opinion - why "Zircon" "worked" and "Dagger" "did not work"?
    1. +2
      23 July 2021 06: 33
      probably because the speed of zircon is 2 times higher than that of a dagger, well, and the range is greater
      1. +2
        23 July 2021 06: 44
        Quote: Ryaruav
        o the speed of zircon is 2 times higher than that of a dagger, well, the range is greater

        Alas, by no means ... request
    2. +1
      23 July 2021 07: 14
      The author forgot the third type of terrible Russian weapon, moreover, effective in any conflict - "Hat".
      Begins to be applied even before the outbreak of hostilities.
      1. -3
        23 July 2021 14: 00
        The author forgot the third type of terrible Russian weapon, moreover, effective in any conflict - "Hat".

        Indeed, this "hat" also allowed the Russians to take possession of the largest territory in the world. ))))
    3. -2
      23 July 2021 14: 03
      I would like to know the author's opinion - why "Zircon" "worked" and "Dagger" "did not work"?

      What is there to think about? ))))
      The dagger needs a super-fast carrier, like the MiG-31. And Zircon is launched from a standard launch container that can be installed on any warship, even MRKs.
      Under the article - quite a sensible article.
      1. +3
        23 July 2021 14: 43
        Quote: lucul
        The dagger needs a super-fast carrier, like the MiG-31. And Zircon is launched from a standard launch container,

        Is it important to the Japanese?
        PS Yes, and you don't really need a "super-fast carrier" because it mainly affects the range (more than 2000 or more than 1000 when starting from the Tu-22M3, for example)
  9. +7
    23 July 2021 06: 12
    If necessary, Kokkinaki will fly to Nagasaki
    And show there Araki
    Where and how crayfish winter!
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    1. +1
      23 July 2021 13: 35
      Please tick the poll ...
  11. +4
    23 July 2021 06: 45
    "The Russians have good heads! It is no coincidence that they became the first in space! That would be to combine their genius with our practicality!"

    Practicality? You surprise me!!!
    Get two nuclear bombs and keep an American military base close by.
    It is rather cowardice.
    1. +4
      23 July 2021 07: 39
      Well, when we got two bombs, we were in coalition with Hitler, maybe they realized that it was a mistake recourse
      1. +3
        23 July 2021 16: 15
        Well, from one anti-Soviet-anti-Russian coalition we moved to another. Two identical mistakes are already a system. So there is no talk of awareness.
  12. +2
    23 July 2021 07: 09
    These narrow-film people argue strangely. Apparently, out of fear, they forgot about our Iskander, Caliber and other interesting things, rested their heads on Zircon, like rams. Although, ....... they know better what to be afraid of.
  13. +11
    23 July 2021 07: 11
    Probably because Japan was unlucky with its neighbors, completely "the most", having the strongest army and the largest territory, the strongest economy and population, claiming first place in the world, and so on.
    - probably all the same because the Japanese at all these neighbors noted in the old days and left an unkind memory of themselves ... hi
  14. -13
    23 July 2021 07: 44
    Great article for uryakalok. A new batch of hats will be bravo loaded in PU. Slowly but surely we are going to the new Tsushima, comrades !!!
    ZY Once again, they are discussing wunderwales that have no analogues, not serial and not in service. Like Armata. That is, as before, we are discussing cartoons and they are going to beat the enemies. It is regrettable.
    1. +6
      23 July 2021 19: 48
      It's just that war is not expected today. drinks but about tomorrow, no one knows, they grieve, but we are glad that tomorrow if suddenly we have Armata, they have an old Abrams, we have Zircon, but they do not yet understand ..., We have Shakhimat, and they have unbroken Penguin, which keeps kicking, we have C500, and they have an outdated Patriot, we have Peresvet, and they probably also have something, we have Vanguard, and they have a dense Minuteman, we have Bulova, and Trident suits them, we have Poseidon, but they don't know what it is at all lol in short the future is ours soldier
      1. -2
        23 July 2021 19: 49
        Good humor laughing
        1. +4
          23 July 2021 20: 09
          Where is the plus sign for humor? feel

          In general, for self-confidence, it is always important: a positive outlook into the future and a clear view of the prospects! wink we have it all, but they have a mess with a clear idea of ​​the prospects tongue
  15. +2
    23 July 2021 08: 01
    Mr. Staver decided to take away bread from RIA Novosti and stole their constant column "Employees of RIA Novosti write a response to Chamberlain in foreign forums."
  16. +3
    23 July 2021 08: 31
    laughing
    but also forced the West to catch up with us.
    , if the West is catching up with us, then why do we ourselves say that it is hard for Russia without their investments and we rely on their investments and technologies?
  17. +8
    23 July 2021 08: 44
    Judging by individual comments about public opinion, one has to be very naive and trusting.
  18. +8
    23 July 2021 08: 49
    Such clumsy propaganda has not been seen for a long time, even here on the site.
    Among other things, why deceive the reader with stories about reading the Japanese press. The site "inosmi.ru" is not the Japanese press. And there was no explosion in Japanese society about the tests. To do this, it is enough to look at the sites of all Japanese major newspapers, starting with the Yomiuri Shimbun, especially since they all have an English version. Everyone there is busy with the Olympics now, so the Associated Press report about the rocket test, which was posted in the news feed by Yahoo! News, has collected as many as two dozen comments.
    Their content can be easily found at the link https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/19ed2082e76242b31117f1f3e78768fe7dbfe3b5/comments?page=2&t=t&order=recommended
    For example, a comment under the nickname fas *****
    A country that does not manufacture modern electronics cannot develop a high performance rocket.
    ...
    The United States must develop a high-performance hypersonic missile in the near future, so the situation will change quickly.
    Whether or not the Russian experiment was successful, it is purely propagandistic.

    And another question. How did you manage to find out from this picture what it is "comments from Japanese youth. Those who study all questions on Wikipedia"?
  19. +3
    23 July 2021 09: 04
    The Japanese are like this ... "cultural nation", in! Terribly educated and therefore smart! Hehe ... In general, in the early 80s, the use of cruise missiles in Europe was limited by treaties. Somehow, these missiles have already been forgotten, right?) But in general, the ammunition traveling at a height of 10 meters and below, while clearly enveloping the terrain, has not become easier to shoot down since the 80s. It's not hypersonic though. It is practically impossible to shoot down a cruise missile.
    We do not place them next to Europe, of course, since there are treaties. But wait! We have a virtually unfinished war with Japan! No peace treaties have been signed, the Japanese have territorial claims to us ... so where are the cruise missiles withdrawn from the European part? Hehe ...
    To destroy Japan outright, without options, no hypersound is needed for a long time.
    1. +1
      23 July 2021 10: 12
      They cannot shoot down our missiles, because there is nothing. But we can, which just the other day we demonstrated in Syria by shooting down 9 out of 10 missiles fired by the Israelis, thereby confirming the effectiveness of our air defense systems in the declared coefficient of 0,9. so far unattainable ideal.
  20. +2
    23 July 2021 10: 06
    Zircon has not yet been accepted into service, and in the West there is already a break in the template. Their superiority turned out to be on paper. We have before us a classic example of when propaganda turned out to be stronger than facts.
    PS: In the place of the Yapps, I would rather think about what will happen to their country if Russia strikes Poseidon on the Yankees' bases in Okinawa. Zircons are still tactical weapons, not for strategic strikes
    1. -4
      23 July 2021 10: 21
      Do you know examples in history when a blow was inflicted with an unacceptable weapon? Can I have examples? Maybe Reich Mouse? With the same success as Poseidon, you can shmaln with a hat in Japan - the effect will be the same bully
      1. +6
        23 July 2021 11: 29
        Quote: Yamamoto
        inflicted with unacceptable weapons? Can I have examples? Maybe Reich Mouse?

        Mouse no, but the USSR did it steadily during the war .. There, half of the weapons were already in battles - and they were just being adopted.
        1. -3
          23 July 2021 11: 33
          It is logical that then the development went quickly and did not have time to officially (!) Take them into service. Dzhugashvili built a very tough military-industrial vertical that worked on the brink of possibilities. What does this have to do with the situation under discussion ??
          1. +3
            23 July 2021 11: 52
            Quote: Yamamoto
            What does this have to do with the situation under discussion ??

            This is the answer to your statement
            Quote: Yamamoto
            Do you know examples in storieswhen the blow was delivered with a weapon that was not accepted for service?
            1. +2
              23 July 2021 11: 59
              Accepted. Means not so expressed recourse
      2. +3
        23 July 2021 16: 30
        Yes, as much as you want. In 1939-1940, against Finland, the USSR used the T-100, SMK and KV tanks that were not accepted for service. In 1941, the Red Army used the ZiS-3 cannons that were not accepted for service against the Wehrmacht, but were already supplied to the troops in small series. under the Mga station and in January 1943 near Stalingrad, the Wehrmacht used not accepted for service "Tigers". Near Moscow, the Red Army used long-withdrawn cannons from the Russo-Turkish wars. In 1943, the USSR militia was partially armed with Japanese Arisaka rifles from the First World War and the Civil War, which were not accepted for service.
        1. +2
          23 July 2021 18: 03
          I was a little wrong. Under the Mga station, the Wehrmacht used the Tigers in December 1942.
        2. -3
          23 July 2021 19: 42
          In addition to World War II, are there examples? Modern can?
          1. +3
            24 July 2021 16: 41
            Yes Easy! 56 countries of the world produce the Kalshnikov assault rifle, and only 8 of them officially bought a license in Russia. The whole world produces LEDs invented in the USSR (Losev glow). Egyptian pilot). The planes were completely dismantled, everything of value was duplicated. There was such Adolf Tolkachev, an employee of one of the research institutes, who for 4 years sent valuable information to the CIA about the latest Soviet developments. And how many designers, scientists, documentation and technologies the West received after the collapse of the USSR cannot be counted at all. The R department of the FSB stopped the leak of scientific and technical information from one of the Russian numbered factories. The CIA agent used technical subtlety - not all cutting on DVDs is used. The FSB noticed the identity of technical solutions in the United States with Russian ones and began an investigation. He worked at this plant, rebuilt heads on the drive and wrote information there, and at the checkpoint declared that there was music. Another method. In computers received from the United States, a so-called "bucket" was built into the power supply unit, where all information processed by the computer was merged. When the "bucket" overflowed, the power supply unit failed, and the plant turned to the manufacturer. A specialist came, changed the power supply, came back and took information from the "bucket" to the USA.
            1. -2
              24 July 2021 17: 19
              What does it have to do with LEDs, data leaks and hijacking of fighters ?? what
              We talk about completely different things (Okay, don't care, this was originally a meaningless discussion
              1. +2
                24 July 2021 17: 21
                And despite the fact that all this was STEALED, it was not put into service in the United States, but it is MASSIVELY applied ..
      3. +2
        24 July 2021 07: 39
        Yes, please. Strikes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The strikes were made not accepted (at that time) in service with experimental, nuclear weapons. Reich. Hmm. Reich is another story. The story of the adoption of the Fg-42 comes to mind. first he fought in Sicily, was finalized and only after he was accepted into the airborne units of the Luftwaffe. The story of the ATGM, which fought the entire war but was not officially in service. An error in the Headquarters office. In general, there are just enough historical examples. From modern history, look what they try in Syria, so to speak, before our eyes.
      4. 0
        25 July 2021 04: 46
        Quote: Yamamoto
        Do you know examples in history when a blow was inflicted with an unacceptable weapon?

        ZIS-3. Before its adoption, more than 1000 of these guns fired at the Germans.
  21. +3
    23 July 2021 10: 22
    Another ritual for a superweapon, which has not yet been adopted for service. Are there no problems with sea reconnaissance and target designation for the Zircons?
    1. -3
      23 July 2021 10: 30
      There is simply no naval reconnaissance and an effective target designation system. At all. sad
      1. +2
        24 July 2021 07: 43
        Who did this to you?
        1. +1
          24 July 2021 08: 47
          Knowing the state of our Navy request
          1. +3
            24 July 2021 09: 30
            O! From under the spitz personally report? Or a magazine version?
            1. -3
              24 July 2021 11: 55
              No, the data is public. But if you are in doubt - I will gladly hear your hypotheses - how are you going to carry out reconnaissance, guidance, target designation of the enemy's moving sea targets?
              1. +3
                24 July 2021 13: 27
                Directly to the Pacific Fleet? Radar station "Volna" in Nakhodka. Plus "mobile phones", first of all "Sunflower". This is the same open source. However, I'm going to get the answer now: "What is the connection between the radar and target designation?" Then we will stop the discussion right away. Yes, everything is on the shore. But the ranges are still enough. We have never seen a program for the development of such a technique, but it is there. Plus to everything further only the quantitative growth of ship and coastal facilities. Something like this...
                1. 0
                  24 July 2021 14: 25
                  Let's go in order. Zircon is RCC, I hope you won't argue with that? )
                  That is, its direct purpose is to destroy the enemy's NK. Almost always in the KUG and AUG. Is everything correct so far?
                  Well, if we take real DBs, when the enemy, as in an exercise, climbs to our coastal bastions and radar, and specifically the marine theater of operations (we will not even take the ocean DMZ), then either satellites are needed, and a super group, which no one has yet countries, but I will not say anything about us sad , or AWACS aviation, naval reconnaissance aircraft, or UAVs of the required configuration.
                  And we do not have all this, or there is an unusable and outdated minuscule from the union, in which it should be noted in this area the situation was much better. And then, even with the developed naval aviation of the USSR, in 1982 EMNIP approached two AUG amers to Kamchatka, and for two days they swam / flew there as and where they wanted, and they could not even hang the control center or intercept them - they could not even find them for two days. There are memoirs of a Soviet admiral on this incident, if interested.
                  And now the condition is much worse. So it goes.
                  1. 0
                    25 July 2021 13: 18
                    You write everything correctly, and you yourself also answer your "remarks". (Which is very good, since by listing the "techno-combat segments" of the O&CU system, you provide a basis for analyzing the prospects of the current, near and far. Closed-type MTVD (Baltic, Black Sea, Caspian, Sea of ​​Okhotsk) and preventing the salvo of KR or the use of carrier-based aircraft in oceanic and "touching" theaters of operations, which corresponds to approximately 1200 miles today (taking into account the "reaction" of the coastal air defense) RTOs and diesel-electric submarines are "operating", which are under construction in the most intense series. For actions in this paradigm, there is still a Soviet era. I propose not to consider the level of modernization and quantitative reinforcement in the directions. In this case, the fleet will not be without its own, but most likely will "pass" through itself the "aging" A-100 with subsequent replacement. This concept is not so secret. The mobile component will increase efficiency, and at the same time will give the prospect of maneuvering the O and CU zone. However, the perimeter within the framework of the "thousand-mile defense" has already been created. The work on Matua Island speaks of "closing" the perimeter in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. So "there is something to squeeze" now and to squeeze harder in the future. True, all this is from defense and the "attacking AUG" under the St. Andrew's flag do not surf the ocean. Expensive and not out of necessity yet.
                    1. 0
                      25 July 2021 20: 30
                      A-50s are scanty in service, they will not be enough to cover even 5-10% of potential directions of threats. With the A100, I heard from the specialists that everything is very sad, this development will not be completed, apparently, the sanctions blocked access to very specific technologies (by the way, in some article on topvar they even described this in detail, but I can't find the link). But even if there is a meager chance that it will go into production, it will not be very, very soon, I am not even talking about the proper number of aircraft for the needs of the fleet and the aerospace forces.
                      That is, if we integrate the A100 into a complex reconnaissance, tracking and target designation system (which in fact is not in the bud), then it is necessary that under ideal conditions the enemy would give us 30-50 years and not attack before. And then, in 30 years, we hypothetically will be able to attack their AUG with Zircons, if the partners for these 30 years will not do anything in the development of the army, and then they will just get on the rampage and put themselves under the anti-ship missiles))) a realistic scenario?
                      1. 0
                        26 July 2021 08: 40
                        Targeting anti-ship missiles is carried out directly by the ship's ship systems included in the KUG. there is still a quantitative drawback. The entire super-duper modern US Navy becomes completely useless when approaching a 90-mile zone to our shores. This is even if we completely exclude our "old" Navy. For some reason, Americans are sure that at sea everyone will fight with them as they do I would like to follow their rules, although the events with the Falkland Islands have very clearly shown how the dispute between the ship and the anti-ship missile ship ends.
                      2. -2
                        26 July 2021 11: 02
                        Targeting of anti-ship missiles is carried out directly by the ship's ship systems included in the KUG

                        KUG and battleships are a thing of the past, starting with the Battle of Midway at least. Any powerful KUG will be just a set of targets for the AUG on the high seas. Targeting by ship ?? ) Are you serious? We are talking about some of our sworn partners, or are you going to fight at sea with New Guinea ?? ) What ship can get close to the Hawkeyes at target designation distance? Name this.
                        With this, yes, there is still a quantitative drawback

                        It just doesn't exist. Even our partners are YOU. And even when it will be - there is cloudiness / weather and many other factors.
                        when approaching the 200 mile zone

                        I won't even argue here, you are absolutely right. My dream, too, is that the enemy, like complete woodpeckers, would come 200 miles to the shore and put themselves under the coastal defenses))) Only you first google the combat radius of the AUG carrier-based aircraft, then you can talk further. Well, the CD of the strike escort group and the enemy submarine. By the way, what have we got with the PLO? recourse
                      3. 0
                        26 July 2021 11: 39
                        The combat radius of the AUG aviation is 500-700 km. That is, yes, in greenhouse conditions (no air defense, no aviation, no coastal zone navy), the AUG can gouge the coastline into the trash. In theory and in greenhouse conditions. In practice, the first strategist of constant readiness (which patrol the border) will beat all its airborne and the sacred cow AUG the aircraft carrier will turn into floating trash for many months. It will not sink, no, it will turn into floating trash. anti-ship missile systems (ours at least) do not require constant guidance. That is, it is enough to roughly indicate the square of impact. KUG is a means of delivering iron to the right place for launch. The scheme of application is generally very old. Coastal over-the-horizon radar defines approximately where. KUG, in Ideally (usually a submarine is enough), he moves to the indicated place. There already (usually) sworn friends see each other with their own (onboard means) eyes.
                      4. 0
                        26 July 2021 11: 52
                        In practice, the very first permanent readiness strategist (who patrol the border) will beat all their airborne

                        1. How will the strategist detect the AUG before it is in the coverage area of ​​their air defense / EWS?
                        2. Read about the incident near Kamchatka with two AUGs, which were chased by all powerful Soviet naval and coastal aviation for 2 days and could not even detect, let alone keep enough control center or intercept. Where were the strategists?
                        That is, it is enough to roughly indicate the square of the blow

                        If you're talking about the GOS, then it's still sadder. sad Topvar has several articles dedicated to this. The situation is modeled in detail when a dozen anti-ship missiles fly up to the supposed square with AUG. The echeloned air defense of the escort ships, their electronic warfare systems, which will drown out anti-ship missiles on approach, or rather the seeker, then Aegis with SM-3, then traps (false targets), which the seeker does not distinguish from the target, and there is much more, is being sorted out. I can’t retell everything, the text will not fit) There is an exhaust - even a lot of anti-ship missiles has little chance, but the key is that detecting an AUG and launching a dozen anti-ship missiles “in the square” is an even more difficult task than bypassing the group's air defense and not getting hit into the traps of decoys. We need carriers of these anti-ship missiles concentrated in the threat zone (and how do we know where the AUG will "emerge"?), We need cool naval reconnaissance, which we do not have, at least like the USSR had, no, we need even better, we need a command center about which I I've been talking for an hour, and so on.
                      5. -1
                        28 July 2021 05: 47
                        The USSR has been gone for almost 40 years. It is not necessary to refer to the experience of 50-60 years ago. Technologies have long gone ahead. About modern means of intelligence, I can only say that they are now very different from what they were before. My sidekick told how they discovered and listened to AWACS flying somewhere over Korea from here, from siberia not with a particularly powerful station. About modern GSN. Already the story of a colleague from work. He argued that if the anti-ship missile system took the capture, then the ship is doomed. Nothing will help. About American systems. They are good. .For the last century.
                      6. +1
                        28 July 2021 10: 32
                        The USSR is gone for almost 40 years

                        Do you have colleagues in intelligence or better in naval aviation? Here at the topvar there is a naval aviation pilot, ask him about the state of affairs in this area at the moment. Technology has gone ahead, but the system of naval reconnaissance and tracking in the USSR was many times better. Now there is simply no aircraft and funds in general for more or less elementary operations.
                        if the anti-ship missile system took the capture, then the ship is doomed

                        First, the keyword "if". Secondly, I will probably repeat myself once in the 4th - there is an article on the topvar, where specialists examine in detail and simulate the situation with the GOS anti-ship missile system and targeting, take the time to study it.
                        About American systems, they are good for the last century.

                        And then ours for the pose-posture-the past turns out, or what? Unfortunately, we are still 15-20 years behind in technology.
  22. +3
    23 July 2021 10: 52
    After all, in fact, most of the Japanese are not interested in these islands.

    Is it possible that the Japanese have ceased to be interested in the housing issue, those very Japanese, whose number is comparable to the population of the Russian Federation, and the occupied territory with the area of ​​Germany?
    Is it about the same Japanese people who build artificial islands? belay
  23. +3
    23 July 2021 11: 31
    is anyone really fooled by such articles? to study the opinion of another country by the fragmentary comments of anonymous authors to some articles on the Internet? :)))
  24. +1
    23 July 2021 12: 10
    Where did they get the confidence that Russia will not be used by nuclear weapons? In fact, if any US ally attacks us, we simply will have no other choice but to strike nuclear weapons at this ally and, preemptively, at US territory. Tk an attack by a US ally on us is already highly likely to end in a nuclear war, and if you shoot first, there is at least some chance to survive (ghostly). So, the Japanese are putting the whole civilization on the brink with their dreams ...
  25. -1
    23 July 2021 12: 30
    Here I would have fired on Ukrainians, for May 2, I would have done them there !!!
    1. -1
      23 July 2021 13: 27
      For Odessa, and not one!
  26. +3
    23 July 2021 14: 38
    Quote: Yamamoto
    Accepted. Means not so expressed

    If you are Japanese, I take off my hat. You have excellent Russian language hi
    1. +5
      23 July 2021 15: 55
      Quote: looker-on
      If you are Japanese, I take off my hat.

      I join, the Japanese is too good! good

      Hiroo Onoda, a junior lieutenant in the Japanese Armed Forces' military intelligence, fought against the Allied forces on the small Philippine island of Lubang during World War II and for years refused to believe the war was over. He surrendered to the Philippine authorities in 1974 only after his former commander, Imperial Army Major Yoshimi Taniguchi (already an elderly man working in a bookstore) flew to Lubang and formally ordered Onoda to lay down his arms.
      1. +3
        23 July 2021 19: 41
        By the way, Onoda killed quite a lot of Filipino soldiers and police, enemies he thought. He organized sabotage, deceived the special forces and the police on several square kilometers of the jungle for decades, and kept his rifle clean and tidy. Thought the surrender of Japan was enemy propaganda.
  27. +3
    23 July 2021 19: 02
    And these proud hara-kiri-san do not think that they themselves can become our "southern territories"? ...
  28. 0
    23 July 2021 20: 24
    As the song sings:
    WE are peaceful people, but our armored train is on the reserve track.
    In this case, ZIRCONS and everything else
  29. +1
    23 July 2021 23: 19
    On June 26, a mysterious thunder was heard over Sapporo and other cities in Hokkaido. Could it be that the "Zircons" passed the supersonic barrier ?! "

    Whinnying like a horse! Well, the Japs give. laughing
    1. +1
      24 July 2021 11: 57
      Japs or the author of the article ?? smile
      1. 0
        24 July 2021 15: 08
        This is a quote from a Japanese man, but it doesn't matter who the author is.
  30. +2
    24 July 2021 00: 47
    "Russia will not use nuclear weapons, and we can handle the rest" ...
    Amused the material.

    Taking into account the qualitative and quantitative composition of at least the Japanese Navy and Air Force, in the event of an attempt by this country to attack our territory, the very first thing they will receive will be a nuclear strike. And the bases of the Americans scattered across the islands of Japan are not here to protect them, and like a dead poultice, just the Americans will not dare to strike in our direction, realizing that they will be destroyed following the aggressor (Japan). We simply have no other choice, and indeed we have a doctrine.
    The arithmetic is simple, and whether there is life on Mars or not, or Zircon is in our arsenal, the prospects for Japan in the event of aggression are clear even to a schoolchild. One step of a Japanese soldier on our land and Japan simply ceases to exist after that.
  31. 0
    24 July 2021 17: 05
    Rockets have changed the world long ago. The island empires that ruled the seas and oceans have become large targets far out to sea, which are easy and safe for the rest of the world to bomb. If the communists hadn't merged the USSR ...
  32. +1
    25 July 2021 04: 03
    It is strange that the Japanese do not understand that without the possession of nuclear weapons, no one will really reckon with them. And it's not about the Zircons. With all their dignity, it will not be possible to defeat modern Japan without nuclear weapons. Nor will it be possible to destroy it with Zircons, which must also be produced in unmeasured quantities, if nuclear weapons are not used. And the danger for Japan at the present time is China, not Russia, which has never had any hostile intentions towards Japan. What can not be said about China, which wants to subjugate everyone in Asia. And Japan is the most politically hostile country for China. And this may well happen if Japan "crumples" with the ban on the creation of nuclear weapons. China has nuclear weapons that are constantly building up, while Japan does not. As a result, the Japanese will lose even without a war. Just parity. The Japanese can take advantage of the new situation in the world to abandon their nuclear-free status. Its obvious enemy, China, has grown into a gigantic force. The United States may not necessarily be able to defend Japan from China. Themselves will soon be behind China. Therefore, Japan, announcing this new geopolitical alignment, could adopt nuclear weapons. Moreover, technologically they can do it easily and in a short time. Then no one will touch them for sure. If they do not "reach out" to this, then they will remain in their plywood "yarangas", crushed by China ....
  33. -1
    25 July 2021 12: 56
    The Japanese as a nation no longer exist, as soon as they put Western propaganda into their brains, they completely disintegrated into some kind of vein. From samurai warriors, they turned into anime toons sniffing panties, drinking more than our brother, suffering from loneliness and committing suicide. Just horror, this is for all our leaders to note, the West is not afraid of us militarily, much worse is the fact that the West promotes the imposition of these different kinds of Iped ____ in all educational programs, and so on. But with this we have just problems, a lot of enemies are working on decomposition openly,
    and even for state money, one echo of Moscow which is worth the money of Gazprom.
  34. 0
    27 July 2021 20: 38
    A difficult target position is the presence of several targets at once that must be hit. And it was done.

    My question is: how did ONE anti-ship missile hit SEVERAL targets?
  35. 0
    28 July 2021 20: 53
    76 years in slavery. Hard case. If they had sent the striped and carried out an independent policy, they would now be a superpower. And so ... well, rich, but not independent. It is a pity, it could be a super-neighbor, but instead - well, don't get it.

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