The LMS-2 aircraft designed to replace the Kukuruznik An-901 was shown at the MAKS-2021 air show

Created to replace the legendary An-2, the new LMS-901 aircraft was shown at the MAKS-2021 international aerospace show, which began in Zhukovsky outside Moscow. Flight tests of the first prototype are due to begin this year.

The development of a new light aircraft, which in the future will replace the An-2 "Kukuruznik", is being carried out by the "Baikal-Engineering" company, which presented the aircraft at the air show. The presented prototype has a General Electric H80-200 engine, but in the future it will be replaced by the Russian VK-800S. LMS-901 has a length of 12,2 meters, a height of 3,7 meters and a wingspan of 16,5 meters. Maximum takeoff weight - 4,8 tons, speed - up to 300 km / h. The maximum flight range is 3 thousand km. Seats 9 passengers and can carry up to 2 tons of payload.

At the moment, it is known that in 2022 the second prototype of the aircraft should join the flight tests. Further plans have not been disclosed, but the aircraft should go into serial production in 2024, at least this task was set by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

In the summer of 2019, the Ministry of Industry and Trade announced a tender for the development of a light multi-functional aircraft for nine passengers to replace the An-2. The winner was LLC "Baikal-engineering" - a subsidiary of the Ural plant of civil aviation... At the same time, the Ministry of Industry and Trade abandoned the single-engine TVS-2021DTS "Baikal" aircraft, which was planned for serial production from 2, the development of which went to the creation of the LMS-901 "Baikal".

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[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

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An-2 - We are still flying ...
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[engineer74]

All the same, they cut their own!
Didn't slip down to the Chinese clones of An-2 - there were such rumors

[SERGE ANT]

to replace the "Corn" An-2

Is AN-2 leaving? Legend! Reliable and trouble-free hard worker. Seemingly the time has come ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: SERGE ant

Is AN-2 leaving? Legend! Reliable and trouble-free hard worker. Seemingly the time has come ..

A trouble-free work air horse, I remember from childhood in the Smolensk region, and passengers were transported to regional centers, and all the "chemical smoke" hung on them, and in each flying club parachutists were trained, and medical assistance was provided. He served the country with faith and truth. Special thanks to the plowmen of the sky who flew on these beautiful airplanes.

[Bat]

Quote: tihonmarine

Trouble-free work air horse

Even knocking down the SMOKERS, they still benefit. The location of the Armenian air defense was revealed by them.

[Babay Atasovich]

An-2 in North Korea is still in service with nurs.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

The first impression of a NOT a specialist: the plane is smaller, and all the declared data are much higher than that of the famous An-2. If the new bird also flies, is well serviced, then you need to put it into production as soon as possible!

[alexmach]

The first impression of NOT a specialist: the plane is smaller, and all the declared data are much higher

9 passengers versus 12 for An-2. As written in previous topics 9 in accordance with modern flight standards.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: alexmach

9 passengers versus 12 for An-2. As written in previous topics 9 in accordance with modern flight standards.

It was somewhat surprising that 9 passengers versus 12, although the carrying capacity is 2000 versus 1600 kg. But the task was just for 9 passengers! Why? Do not quite understand. But the speed is higher, and the range is much greater: 3000 versus 845 km.

[Smirnov Sergey]

According to modern standards, no more than 9 passengers can be transported on one engine. Nothing is said about the cargo.

[faiver]

I was somewhat surprised that 9 passengers versus 12

- there, in my opinion, the question is in certification, such as a different class of aircraft and a 9-seat one is much easier to certify

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

But the speed is higher, and the range is much greater: 3000 versus 845 km.

And how did the range drop from 1200 to 850 ??? Head-on under 50 km / h is taken into account or spare in 500 km ?!

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Babay Atasovich

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

But the speed is higher, and the range is much greater: 3000 versus 845 km.

And how did the range drop from 1200 to 850 ??? Head-on under 50 km / h is taken into account or spare in 500 km ?!

Especially for you:
Cruising speed: 190 km / h
Maximum speed: 258 km / h
Weight: 3 300 kg
Range: 845 km
Length: 12 m
Engine type: ASh-62

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Quote: Babay Atasovich

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

But the speed is higher, and the range is much greater: 3000 versus 845 km.

And how did the range drop from 1200 to 850 ??? Head-on under 50 km / h is taken into account or spare in 500 km ?!

Especially for you:
Cruising speed: 190 km / h
Maximum speed: 258 km / h
Weight: 3 300 kg
Range: 845 km
Length: 12 m
Engine type: ASh-62

In what wikipedia did you find this shnyaga ???! Kreiserskaya 180 km / h even in the first flight manuals are written. Empty An-2 5250 when calculating the alignment. The range is 1 liter / 1m in practice, and according to the standards 2 / 1km. Combustible 1200. Count on a calculator? and the 9-cylinder engine is radially in a row called ASHA-62IR!

[bistrov.]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Engine type: ASh-62

M-62, created on the basis of the M-25, they were installed on the I-15, I-16, created on the basis of the American Wright Cyclone 1820, back in 1933. M-62 (ASh-62) was also installed on Douglas DS-3 and LI-2, which went through the whole Second World War as transport aircraft. Anachronism that will soon be 100 years old! Powered by B-70 aviation gasoline.

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: bistrov.

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Engine type: ASh-62

M-62, created on the basis of the M-25, they were installed on the I-15, I-16, created on the basis of the American Wright Cyclone 1820, back in 1933. M-62 (ASh-62) was also installed on Douglas DS-3 and LI-2, which went through the whole Second World War as transport aircraft. Anachronism that will soon be 100 years old! Powered by B-70 aviation gasoline.

A ASh-62 IR on B91 / 115

[ua3igz]

"... ASh-62 IR on B91 / 115 ..."
Such a green one. And the B-70 oil filter was washed. This is technical gasoline. The store sells lighters for refueling.

[Nazar]

Vladimir Mashkov - The second impression of NOT a specialist - how will he take off (land) with such "sandals" on wheels from unprepared sites? And yet - the nose is lifted up so much that because of the engine the runway is not visible to the pilot at all, okay on comfortable airfields with "parquet" runways, but how to take off from the ground with such a view?

[Victorio]

Quote: Nazar

Vladimir Mashkov - The second impression of NOT a specialist - how will he take off (land) with such "sandals" on wheels from unprepared sites? And yet - the nose is lifted up so much that because of the engine the runway is not visible to the pilot at all, okay on comfortable airfields with "parquet" runways, but how to take off from the ground with such a view?

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yes, the fairings on the chassis are somehow too big, they can and will be removed depending on the strip

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Nazar

Vladimir Mashkov - The second impression of NOT a specialist - how will he take off (land) with such "sandals" on wheels from unprepared sites? And yet - the nose is lifted up so much that because of the engine the runway is not visible to the pilot at all, okay on comfortable airfields with "parquet" runways, but how to take off from the ground with such a view?

You reason ridiculously. Although it is understandable, not a specialist.

Confused by "bast shoes"? "Bast shoes" (wheel fairings) on production cars will not, I suppose. And absolutely WITHOUT wheels, planes, excuse me, it does NOT happen. Perhaps on skis or an air cushion ...

Confused by the tailwheel scheme? Yes, the scheme with a nose wheel is more convenient during takeoff, but it is not always acceptable and guarantees against nosing (the recent "happy" landing of the An-28 with nasal wheel seen, probably). I believe that in this case it is the tailwheel scheme that is quite justified for this airplane in many conditions. I propose to think about which ones. As for her, then - there was a time - all the planes were of just such a scheme. And nothing, they were normally operated and flew.

You talk funny about the poor visibility of the pilots. The pilots have good visibility, and after detaching the tail wheel - excellent.

About comfortable airfields and "parquet conditions". LMS-901 is designed to work with soil airfields.

Do not be lazy, look for materials on the LMS in Runet, read. All questions will disappear.

All the best and successful reading to you!

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: SERGE ANT

to replace the "Corn" An-2

Is AN-2 leaving? Legend! Reliable and trouble-free hard worker. Seemingly the time has come ..

74 years old legend, the last 30 years they want to "move" !!! The hotelier did not grow .... I remember in the 90s the An-3 with a turboprop was advertised. My bottom is covered with standard spreads for 3000 hours of chemistry. An-3 with its injectivity at 9 !!!! seconds next to not stands with 3mya at the "voracious" ASHA-62IR. All Annushka needs is a good engine! Not yet! 500 types of work only on PANKh (assistance to aviation for the national economy), 1,5 tons of the declared payload (in the 90s we took 2,5 gasoline on board in barrels - it was hard, but stomped). Bertram, French stuntman and pilot, having seen 12 places, takeoff and run - just fell in love!

[GREG68]

Honestly, I doubt it ... Considering how many and how new civilian aircraft models are currently being produced in Russia, the AN-2 will still fly for a long time.

[Alexander 3]

What is the cost of this aircraft? This aircraft should be created entirely on our developments and on our engines. Europe teaches us this through its sanctions.

[svp67]

Quote: Alexander 3

This plane should be created entirely on our developments and on our engines.

For internal use, yes, but for export sales, you need to have a choice ...

[Alexander 3]

Let them buy with our software and engines, because they buy our weapons.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

For internal use, yes, but for export sales, you need to have a choice ...

What kind of export is there, you need thousands of cars to provide your market. And this is even with serial production - years.

[svp67]

Quote: tihonmarine

And this is even with serial production - years.

With the current organization of production, nothing prevents a customer from launching such a simple aircraft in the country ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

nothing prevents a customer from launching such a simple plane in the country ...

It hinders, I only mentioned the country where these cars were produced, then even the comment was deleted.

[alexmach]

What kind of export is there, you need thousands of cars to provide your market. And this is even with serial production - years.

Is he really there? Is this its market then? Yes, for thousands of cars.

[faiver]

I don't know about thousands, but for example, for Yakutia, fifty planes are needed

[goerqi]

Yakutia was planning a contract for 200 TVS-2DTS ...

[faiver]

interesting, and pilots for 200 planes where were going to take?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: alexmach

Is he really there? Is this its market then? Yes, for thousands of cars.

There is a market, but no money.

[alexmach]

There is a market, but no money.

Does it happen? :).

[tihonmarine]

Quote: alexmach

Does it happen?

I wonder where is the money and for what?

[alexmach]

Well, it's banal in large cities there is money for airports and for maintaining some kind of aviation connectivity.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: alexmach

Well, it's banal in large cities there is money for airports and for maintaining some kind of aviation connectivity.

There will be in the cities, but at least there will not be any for agricultural aviation, and under the USSR there were two "Khimdym" detachments in each region.

[alexmach]

There will be in the cities, but at least for agricultural aviation there will not be

Well, this means that there is no market for this "chemical smoke". Someone has already brought in the comments to articles about the AN-2 that in our time in agriculture it is more rational to use smaller planes.

And about cities - also a question. How much will a flight with regional aviation cost and will there be sufficient demand for it? How many lines in the country will there be demand for regular flights? Now, to be honest, I doubt that thousands of aircraft will be needed to meet such a demand, as you wrote above. In my opinion, more likely hundreds will be enough ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: alexmach

Now, to be honest, I doubt that thousands of aircraft will be needed to meet such a demand, as you wrote above. In my opinion, more likely hundreds will be enough ..

Perhaps so, the time is not right. I proceeded from about 20 cars produced during the Soviet era. But at that time they went to state needs, all payments from the budget, and now everything is in private hands. And if the state does not need it, then the cart will remain in the same place. The era of small aircraft is gone.

[alexmach]

I proceeded from about 20 cars produced during the Soviet era.

Yes, but this is not instantaneous, but for all the years of release, besides, as you yourself write, it was also used as an agricultural one, which will not be now, and where helicopters are now used, well, of course, the number of domestic flights in Soviet times was bigger and wider network.

[Smirnov Sergey]

Until you deploy the mass production of domestic avionics on the domestic element base, prototypes will already rot in hangars.

[gurzuf]

We need Soviet power, and then not only planes will be our own.

[Zaurbek]

Here the option is either to fly and wait for our theater of operations ... or not to patch up and wait for our theater of operations. This is not a fighter and there is no need to wait for sanctions here.

[DenZ]

Come on, let's remember the Sukhoi Superjet at least. Or a black wing for the MC-21.

[Zaurbek]

Remember ...... turbojet engine and avionics are delivered there and there .... so far. And these TVDs with a propeller are # 1 in the world in their class in terms of mass production.

[Cat Kuzya]

The Chinese rivet and sell the modernized An-2 in thousands. And here it turns out to be "outdated", they blinded something incomprehensible on the imported engine. I doubt that there is anything "Russian" in it at all, at least initially it was assembled from imported components, even the body was made of imported composites. I wonder what has changed in this regard?

[Zaurbek]

This is not the starting point. The population in the places of use became impoverished, the collective farms collapsed (also clients of An2) The regional transportation market is being formed only now. Now SSZh-100 began to fly to the review of Moscow ... ... the replacement of An24 and L-410 did not start flying. If in the segment of SSZh and A320 and An24, part of the profit of airports is the lease of retail space, then in the segment of airports with L410 and An2 this is not the case, and there is no solvent mass population in those places. Hence, simple economic schemes do not work. It is necessary to create from scratch both the economy and the planes and the solvent population.

[rocket757]

The LMS-2 aircraft designed to replace the Kukuruznik An-901 was shown at the MAKS-2021 air show

We've been sitting for a long time, looking for a long time, but things are still there ...

[knn54]

-Eugene: We've been sitting for a long time, we've been looking, but things are still there ...
-An-3T;
-Grach T-101.
-Viscount
-TVS-2MS
We'll see.
Only the plane with 12 ... 16 seats is still missing. It seems that even on paper.

[svp67]

Quote: knn54

Only the plane with 12 ... 16 seats is still missing. It seems that even on paper.

Why, there are 15-seater L-410

[Zaurbek]

There is exactly the same problem - there is no Russian theater of operations.

[svp67]

Quote: Zaurbek

There is exactly the same problem - there is no Russian theater of operations.

Not yet, although the layout of the VK-800 has already been tried on

[Zaurbek]

We wait...............

[rocket757]

Quote: knn54

It looks like even on paper.

Why do we need even the most responsible and responsible people on paper or in words?
So tired of listening, reading, watching, you want something to buzz over your heads, work, people are delivered to their destinations!
Here is the An-2 maize, chirping overhead every day, count it, taking paratroopers for a "walk" ... the former airfield of the Kachin school \ DOSAF is nearby.
When it buzzes, and does not chirp, then it will become clear that the matter has gone, flew.

[Smirnov Sergey]

to take 12..16 people it must have 2 engines. and the second engine almost doubles the cost of the aircraft? Why invent an "intermediate version" if it is easier to use the L-2 with 410 seats?

[AAC]

And it should not cost horse money. And then we have some industries right on the rise went.

[Disant]

but fuel costs horse money.
and 9 pass instead of 12 is oh.
and where 12 - there fit 20 - checked (comment below)
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even if we compare flying clubs-jumps - to make 36 jumps, you need 4 and 3 passes, respectively, and this is money

[your1970]

Quote: Disant

and where 12 - there 20 fit -

-and then - oh crashed ... and then the court in the ECHR - "we were not paid extra for the funeral! We owe"

[ccsr]

There will be no price for it with our engine - we have long been waiting for this aircraft for our regions. For our country, the mass production of just such an aircraft is more important than even a new single-engine fighter that was presented at Max.
But doubts gnaw at me - who will undertake the mass production, because this company does not have, as I understand it, large production capacities.

[Babay Atasovich]

And where to get the flyers ???! There were two schools on the An-2 - Sasovskoye and Krasnokutskoye, in Sasovo they completely closed the direction, and Krasnokutskoye - from 1,5 thousand graduates there were 300 cadets in general !!! ....pancake.

[ccsr]

Quote: Babay Atasovich

And where to get the flyers ???!

A state program for the development of regional aviation should be launched as the basis for the transport development of our distant regions. Naturally, already now it will be necessary to start training pilots of small aircraft, as it was in the USSR, and for this to revive GA flight schools. Given the fact that air and sea transportation will develop throughout the 21st century, any investment in aviation, including pilot training, will pay off handsomely.

[Babay Atasovich]

Your words yes to Putin's ears ... Now all sorts of young and advanced "managers" are divorced ... Old people are told that they do not understand the realities and they have nothing to pay SUCH money for, but young people have no experience and pay you the same not for what! China rowing our flyers in droves - it pays many times more ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Babay Atasovich

Old people are told that they do not understand the realities and they should be paid

Old people, like me, for example, just understand that we cannot assemble a country without small aircraft. And a large number of small aircraft will create a completely different culture among our youth, and this was well understood in the USSR, when even 200 km there were regular flights on the An-2. Then there was a great need for pilots and technicians, and not for manufacturers of various consumer goods.

Quote: Babay Atasovich

China rowing our flyers in droves - it pays many times more ...

So we have to pay so much so that they do not look to the left. As I have already said, a state program is needed, and there is no need to spare money for this.

[Babay Atasovich]

Hope dies last ...

[Babay Atasovich]

You see, this problem is not only in aviation, this problem is everywhere now! Do your grandchildren watch "heroes"? Here the man got the golden eagle for them, and the general got the "yelsenyat" with the formation of MANAGER and the same shnyaga - left the "Mill" and works in a new studio. An old friend of mine with a technical school education of a seserovsky plumber in the VILLAGE of the Volgograd region OFFICIALLY earns under a hundred, plus shabashki - twice as much! And then what to discuss about the flyers? ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Babay Atasovich

You see, this problem is not only in aviation, this problem is everywhere now!

Understand correctly that we now have several promising highly intelligent industries and aircraft construction is one of them, along with space, nuclear power, shipping and the defense industry. That is why government support is needed for the aviation industry, and in all areas, from pilot training to the construction of new airfields. In the thirties of the twentieth century, in general, they started from scratch, which means that everything can be restored.

Quote: Babay Atasovich

Your words have reached their destination!

Since I think, the overwhelming majority of literate people of the Soviet leaven think - we have seen all this and know how it should be. It will be good if the current leadership understands what we have known for a long time.

Quote: your1970

-prepared - but there is no plane ...... Then what?

Well, such programs are not done in one year, tk. and it takes years to train new pilots, and building new aircraft in one five-year plan will not work either. But this is not a reason to give up, even if one of the new pilots escapes abroad - we will have a decent salary, they will all return, but with flying experience. So I don't see a big problem. Judging by the way a former military pilot recently rescued people from engine failure by landing a plane, his military training was not in vain for the country, although the costs of military pilots are much higher.

[Babay Atasovich]

If you believe this article https://m-old.tsargrad.tv/articles/kubyshku-siluanova-raspechatajut-dengi-fnb-pojdut-na-samolety_386247 then your words have reached their destination! for aviation!

[your1970]

Quote: ccsr

... Naturally, now it will be necessary to start training pilots of small aircraft,

-prepared - but there is no plane ...... Then what? And where will they go? right-to China ....
There will be a plane at least at the level of a series of 50-100 aircraft - then you can train flyers.

[tralflot1832]

And why the first Baikal did not please, the 4 range seemed to be, the most important thing is to fly fishing.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

And why the first Baikal did not please, the 4 range seemed to be, the most important thing is to fly fishing.

Probably the big uncles didn’t like it, or someone from above "closed the breather".

[Soldatov V.]

We need both aircraft and TVS and LMS. Make each 20-30 and try it out. The planes are, in principle, regional. I personally lean towards TVS. He flew the AN-2 as a passenger. I took up to twenty passengers. Simple as a cart. Before going into big aviation, young pilots gained flight experience on it, experience of flying in different conditions. What is good about the TVS is the official passenger capacity of 12 people, the speed of 330, the range of 4500, the carrying capacity of 3500 kg, a short take-off and landing strip, emergency planning, the possibility of using it at water aerodromes with floats. If we make retractable landing gear and add 200-300 horses, the speed will be up to 400 km. Northern and Far Eastern regions need to think about fuel assemblies. The main thing is that effective managers do not drive the price skyward.

[tralflot1832]

There the price of the plane should be no more, you have to look.

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: V.

We need both aircraft and TVS and LMS. Make each 20-30 and try it out. The planes are, in principle, regional. I personally lean towards TVS. He flew the AN-2 as a passenger. I took up to twenty passengers. Simple as a cart. Before going into big aviation, young pilots gained flight experience on it, experience of flying in different conditions. What is good about the TVS is the official passenger capacity of 12 people, the speed of 330, the range of 4500, the carrying capacity of 3500 kg, a short take-off and landing strip, emergency planning, the possibility of using it at water aerodromes with floats. If we make retractable landing gear and add 200-300 horses, the speed will be up to 400 km. Northern and Far Eastern regions need to think about fuel assemblies. The main thing is that effective managers do not drive the price skyward.

.... Annushka's first business is to help the national economy! Delivery of goods and medical assistance is secondary. Just imagine: speed 160, keep the chassis above the crop 2 meters and the agronomist will do everything for the crew to keep these couple of meters to the end of the field (higher chemistry will not spray and the locusts will devour the crop, lower chemistry will burn it), and the fields will only movies are even and in addition, at the end of the field, either power lines, or Stalin's landings ... Your turboprop has a throttle response, from minimum to maximum speed of 9 seconds! An old, of course gluttonous, 9-cylinder ASHA-62IR has 3 !!! Seconds. And this is like the braking distance of a car - how long it takes for the engine to reach its maximum and give a chance to jump over an obstacle.

[tralflot1832]

The first project Baikal was ruined by imported composite materials, an engine and a propeller. The price for 1 piece is not more than 120 million rubles, the price of flight chas is not more than 40 rubles. There are already 000 pieces of preliminary orders. The second Baikal will be built in Ulan Ude.

[Smirnov Sergey]

According to international flight standards, do not certify an aircraft with one engine and a capacity of 20 people. That's all. There is an L-20 for 410 people, there were versions of the "Rysachok" with two engines and, accordingly, the options with a smaller capacity are LMS, Gzhel with one engine. it will turn out to be certified. It is possible, of course, for this "to develop separate flight standards", but a) their development will also cost money and should be included in the cost of developing the aircraft b) put an end to the possibility of exporting these aircraft.

[Soldatov V.]

Excuse me, but I don't give a damn about international flight standards and the ability to export abroad, like most of the inhabitants of Siberia and the Far East. We need air transport to travel through our endless expanses, where there are no normal roads, for reasonable ticket prices. For 60 years, the AN-2 has been flying on one engine and there is nothing, and it flies according to the current state flight standards. LMS, when compared with vehicles, is a taxi, TVS is a Gazelle or a PAZik. How much luggage will fit in the LMC? And in fuel assemblies, 100-150 kg for each passenger, and there is where to put it or dump it. The price of the L-410 and fuel assemblies, I think, is not commensurate; in terms of technology and maintenance, the L-410 is close to that of large aviation. (in general, you need to give it up like Czech beer)

[Maxim G]

Nothing prevents the construction of an elongated version (Like the American Caravan (basic 9 passengers, elongated 13), equip with under-fuselage containers for cargo.

But the fact that the landing gear has a tail wheel, in principle, says a lot (Baikal's analogues - Caravan and Kodiak have a landing gear with a nose strut, such a scheme is heavier, but safer and easier to fly), it seems that the designers did not fit into the weight of the aircraft ... and made such a chassis.

[PN]

The cost of the flight. For the first, it was planned to be 60 thousand rubles / hour, and for this one, 40 thousand rubles / hour.

[CommanderDIVA]

Some kind of undercover struggle is taking place in the niche of civil aviation aircraft, it may be time to think about re-creating the Ministry of Civil Aviation, as it was during the USSR, now the interests of civil aviation are represented by the Federal Air Transport Agency, the Ministry of Transport, Rostransnadzor, all a little bit, hence the confusion and vacillation

[Piramidon]

Quote: CommanderDIVA

it's time to think about re-establishing the Ministry of Civil Aviation

And Chubais was a minister there.

[CommanderDIVA]

What does the redhead have to do with it? What thought they wanted to convey

[Piramidon]

Quote: CommanderDIVA

What does the redhead have to do with it? What thought they wanted to convey

Such that you need to appoint a business person, and not a godfather-matchmaker-brother-sycophant, as we often do. The same Chubais was not appointed anywhere.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Piramidon

And Chubais was a minister there.

Where is Chubais, there is Sahara!

[Doliva63]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Piramidon

And Chubais was a minister there.

Where is Chubais, there is Sahara!

Better vice versa

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I would not entrust the chicken coop to Chubais's mother-in-law.

[Aviator_]

maybe it's time to think about recreating the Ministry of Civil Aviation, as it was under the USSR

One can think of it, but in the USSR there was also a Ministry of the Aviation Industry, which has long been gone.

[ccsr]

Quote: Aviator_

One can think of it, but in the USSR there was also a Ministry of the Aviation Industry, which has long been gone.

Of course, two ministries should not be revived, but one thing in common with at least two central administrations and several directorates or committees is quite possible to afford, since we have begun to revive aviation in this way. We will not fail in this in any case, even in the preparation of new managers who will be selected in production and will have work experience. Naturally, the state's share in any aircraft corporation must exceed 50% - and no less.

[Aviator_]

Naturally, the state's share in any aircraft corporation must exceed 50% - and no less.

The fact is that now everything is done for profit. And small aircraft does not give it. That is why, for more than 30 years, everyone will not find a replacement for the An-2. And 50% of the shares (a controlling stake) seems to be not bad, since Sberbank and VTB also have a controlling stake in the state, and for some reason they do not work in Crimea.

[ccsr]

Quote: Aviator_

The fact is that now everything is done for profit. And small aircraft does not give it.

I agree with this, but the prospect of producing at least a thousand aircraft will significantly reduce the cost of one copy - it means that we will at least partially cover the costs due to the number and possibly potential buyers from abroad.

Quote: Aviator_

... That is why, for more than 30 years, everyone will not find a replacement for the An-2.

After the collapse of the nineties, it is surprising that they were not allowed under the knife at all, judging by how many GA airfields were closed.

Quote: Aviator_

And 50% of the shares (a controlling stake) seems to be not bad, since Sberbank and VTB also have a controlling stake in the state, and for some reason they do not work in Crimea.

This is not an example, because we must focus primarily on the domestic market and not on the foreign one. Banks conduct international operations, and things are a little more complicated there.
In general, I see no reason not to revive the public sector in aviation, and in all areas, from the construction of production facilities to the construction of new airfields, perhaps even like the field of German times of the Second World War.

[Aviator_]

In general, I see no reason not to revive the public sector in aviation, and in all areas, from the construction of production facilities to the construction of new airfields, perhaps even like the field of German times of the Second World War.

I am also for the restoration of small aircraft, but without state subsidies this is impossible, and the state does not intend to do this.

[ccsr]

Quote: Aviator_

I am also for the restoration of small aircraft, but without state subsidies this is impossible, and the state does not intend to do this.

Something is changing for the better, and the current Max is an example of this, judging by the new products - apparently it dawned on Putin that this sector of the economy requires injections.

Quote: Aviator_

With what hangover in these banks in general foreign capital was registered?

So, to increase capital, all banks in the world attract borrowed funds and issue shares, which means that our banks enjoy prestige in the world. By the way, our Sberbank had daughters in Ukraine and in other countries - this is also in the order of things.

Quote: Aviator_

Is it really impossible to have at least one bank without foreign capital?

There is one - Bank Rossiya, but it is under sanctions.

[Aviator_]

Sberbank had daughters in Ukraine

It was until 2014. VTB also had it at the same time, but a friend of mine tried to withdraw money there on his Russian card (also until 2014) and was unpleasantly struck by a decent commission.

[Aviator_]

This is not an example, because we must focus primarily on the domestic market and not on the foreign one. Banks conduct international operations, and things are a little more complicated there.

The example is quite the same. With what hangover in these banks in general foreign capital was registered? Is it really impossible to have at least one bank without foreign capital? Is the Central Bank unprofitable?

[avia12005]

I remember that the initial project included a parachute for collective rescue. I wonder if he is? Or fooled again?
https://www.infpol.ru/210634-samolyet-baykal-osnastyat-parashyutnoy-sistemoy-spaseniya/

[Berg berg]

It was necessary to disfigure the original TVS-2DTS "Baikal", the project to cut it off and make it, as it were, cheaper. They made a freak out of this handsome man!

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Berg Berg

It was necessary to disfigure the original TVS-2DTS "Baikal", the project to cut it off and make it, as it were, cheaper. They made a freak out of this handsome man!

Here is the final version, with new glazing and chassis.

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

I agree with you TVS-2DTS "Baikal is much more similar to AN-2 here and a double wing with the best flight performance characteristics and open landing gear for unprepared runways. And better performance in terms of range and carrying capacity .. The cruising speed of the car is up to 330 km / h, ferry range - up to 4,5 thousand km, carrying capacity - up to 3,5 tons against LMS-901 Maximum takeoff weight - 4,8 tons, speed - up to 300 km / h Maximum flight range - 3 thousand km. Accommodates 9 passengers and can carry up to 2 tons of payload.

[Silinvv]

I alone wonder, but will it be very convenient for passengers to enter and exit the cabin with such an inclination of the hull? In winter, boots in the snow on the rubber floor, which will also freeze overnight. And the evacuation up ...

[donavi49]

A flat floor has long been the norm in this segment. But then they decided to save on matches and chose a tailwheel scheme. Very controversial, or rather the most controversial decision in the project. For this draws on fundamental features, from a high chance of nosing to inconvenience on every flight. In addition, the scheme eliminates the ability to fasten the trunk or makes it half in volume.

[mark1]

Quote: Silinvv

will it be very convenient for passengers to enter and exit the cabin with such a tilt?

There is one more trouble - the reduced height of the cabin (160cm versus 180cm) - they will enter / exit not only on an inclined floor, but also bent at the waist or on bent ones.

[Cat Kuzya]

I had to be in Brazil. There, in each city at the airfields, there are dozens of light-engine aircraft in different versions (many in cargo ones) and land and take off continuously. And in our country, apart from small business jets, nothing is visible at the airfields, from the word "in general" and this is given the size of the country.

[Snail N9]

For some reason, small aircraft in Brazil is profitable, but in our country it is not profitable. Nobody cares why? It seems to me that the reason is not only "profitability", but also in bureaucratic-permissive-prohibitive legislative restrictions and "fences".

[xomaNN]

About 20 years ago it’s time to change the AN-2 veteran. An excellent simple airplane. But from the 40s. Confuses only - What are the engineering and production facilities in the little-known office "Baikal"?

[Piramidon]

Quote: xomaNN

What are the engineering and manufacturing facilities in the little-known office "Baikal"?

Most likely, they will be released at the UZGA. Currently, UZGA JSC produces three types of light aircraft

[tihonmarine]

Quote: xomaNN

About 20 years ago it’s time to change the AN-2 veteran. An excellent simple airplane. But from the 40s.

This "small but remote" aircraft An-2, the first flight of which took place on August 31, 1947, was created in Novosibirsk by the Oleg Antonov Design Bureau, from which the Soviet aircraft industry of a huge series, ending with "Mriya", went. He is the founder of the Academy of Sciences, he needs to put up a gold monument. It is a pity that the design bureau and the plant were built in the wrong place.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: xomaNN

Confuses only - What are the engineering and production facilities in the little-known office "Baikal"?

So it's not just "Baikal" there, but "Baikal-engineering" And "engineering", forgive me the Russian language, it's such a force ...

[Pico]

And what is the American engine?
In the future, there will be VK-800S, when will this further
Apparently the sanctions teach nothing

[tarakan]

I'm not an aviator, but how can I land on the ground with such a clearance on my ass and how with the pilot's view when taxiing?

[Babay Atasovich]

I am a pilot - normally with a dutik (tail wheel) and steer and taxi and take off.

[Reserve buildbat]

I still don’t understand these dances around replacing the An-2. 30 years of treading in one place, almost a dozen projects, but the questions remain the same: Where is the Russian engine? What is the takeoff / landing speed and distance? Why is there still a tailwheel? How much will this device cost?
The impression is that they are trying to hang EVERYTHING on the plane, which is simple in design and purpose! Everything that pops into my head, without thinking whether it is needed there. Has the "glass cabin" already been cut down there? Maybe it's time to supply the RLSBO and rockets suspension units?
This is a sarcastic comment. It's just sad to look at all this.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

There is no engine of its own. In the same project, they want to adapt the turbine, which will not make the plane cheap. They promised to make an aviation version of the engine from the Aurus car, then it will be possible to recall the Rysachok project on two engines.

[viktor_ui]

It just turned out to be good at the exit

[Kaw]

The hood is too long, it does not seem that the pilot will not see anything because of it. And I wonder if a domestic engine was found for it or not?

[senima56]

There were already "Gzhel", "Rysachok", and flying! Then, "the Ministry of Industry and Trade abandoned the TVS-2021DTS Baikal single-engine aircraft, which was planned for serial production from 2."
Something tells me that "AN-2 -FOREVER!"

[zenion]

Something very similar to the German Lapotnik attack aircraft. Will he have a siren when he drops various fertilizers?

[Evil troll]

If there is a siren, fertilizers will begin to dump the surrounding ...

[Mountain shooter]

9 seats there because this is a limitation for single-engine vehicles. Higher speed, decent range. And he's NEW.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

9 seats there because this is a limitation for single-engine vehicles. Higher speed, decent range. And he's NEW.

Well, An-2, it seems, is also single-engine, but there are more seats, however. Higher speed is good, but it means that the minimum evolutionary speed is also higher - but how to carry out chemical work? Well, what's new ... Comrade bought a new Toita for six months. And either THAT, or something, he asked to be thrown into the city. While driving, I spat all the way - grit, your Opel is almost 10 years old, and in the cabin there is no cricket, not a rustle, but I have it here and there! I'm surprised - you have a NEW one! This, he says, and infuriates.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Doliva63

Well, An-2, it seems, is also single-engine, and there are more seats, however

In what years was it developed? Now a single-engine boat with more than 9 passengers WILL NOT PASS certification!

[Disant]

he does not fly abroad. what are the difficulties?

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: Disant

he does not fly abroad. what are the difficulties?

An-2 flies in thousands of foreign countries, it is famous as an AK!

[Disant]

what foreign countries? what thousands?
"For 2012, 2271 An-2 are in operation in the world; there are 1580 An-2 aircraft in Russia, of which 322 are serviceable."
NII GA - the commercial fleet of An-2 aircraft in Russia in 2017 was 227 units.

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: Disant

what foreign countries? what thousands?
"For 2012, 2271 An-2 are in operation in the world; there are 1580 An-2 aircraft in Russia, of which 322 are serviceable."
NII GA - the commercial fleet of An-2 aircraft in Russia in 2017 was 227 units.

A full copy of the An-2 made and Chin is not taken into account?

[Disant]

and how does this have to do with certification for flights in other countries?
Or do you think a new advertised aircraft with such new features as minus three regular seats will conquer foreign markets (apparently overseas)?
if certification is desperately needed, then three seats are simply dismantled, and it is not announced that the new aircraft is going to replace the old one.
everything rests against economic feasibility

[Babay Atasovich]

The same sideways as another attempt to replace the An-2! It flies all over the globe, but this device is unlikely to be able to replace even at the regional level in agricultural work.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: Doliva63

Well, An-2, it seems, is also single-engine, and there are more seats, however

In what years was it developed? Now a single-engine boat with more than 9 passengers WILL NOT PASS certification!

Since then, when the An-2 was being developed, the average passenger gained weight, or what?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Doliva63

Since then, when the An-2 was being developed, the average passenger gained weight, or what?

It turns out that back in the 90s, our aviation leaders thoughtlessly signed restrictions on the number of passengers for single-engine aircraft, obediently repeating American requirements.
You can google it. But they planted such a thorn in themselves!

[Doliva63]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: Doliva63

Since then, when the An-2 was being developed, the average passenger gained weight, or what?

It turns out that back in the 90s, our aviation leaders thoughtlessly signed restrictions on the number of passengers for single-engine aircraft, obediently repeating American requirements.
You can google it. But they planted such a thorn in themselves!

And, this is the first thing that came to my mind - foreign crap, stupidly copied by our fans of their currency and lifestyle. Thank you!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

And the Siberians began to develop it ...

[Dikson]

And why does he need such showy bast shoes on the chassis on unpaved strips? for speed and swiftness? or is it floats? And again with someone else's engine .. To then nod at the sanctions and move all the terms to the right, without answering for anything?

[faiver]

And why does he need such showy bast shoes on the chassis on unpaved strips?

- show-off, our everything ...

[faiver]

The series "It's time to change the An-2" continues, it is interesting to surpass Santa Barbara?

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Quote: alexmach

9 passengers versus 12 for An-2. As written in previous topics 9 in accordance with modern flight standards.

It was somewhat surprising that 9 passengers versus 12, although the carrying capacity is 2000 versus 1600 kg. But the task was just for 9 passengers! Why? Do not quite understand. But the speed is higher, and the range is much greater: 3000 versus 845 km.

At what point did the An-2's range fall from 1200 to 850? At taking into account that the frontal under 50 km / hour ???

[Ryaruav]

that it seems to me this lapterer will not sit where an-2 will sit

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: Ryaruav

that it seems to me this lapterer will not sit where an-2 will sit

It will sit down, but then it will be able to take off ?!

[Babay Atasovich]

My classmate "nahimichil" on a Zhiguli 6 ku, arrived, washed it as expected, decided to catch up and went to the cap. On the way, a ditch for the pipe breaks out, he PRESSES ON THE GAS AND PULLS THE STEERING WHEEL ON HIMSELF TO "BLAST" !!! A good Zhigulishka, but not An-2 ... a ditch was dug exactly to its size!

[Paschenko.vp]

This plane was already tested almost 30 years ago under the name "Taiga".

[John22]

An-2 was a flying shed with remarkable wing mechanization. I drove everything. And where do you load 2 tons of cargo into the bang?

[Zlyden.Zlo]

Price ... reliability. Cost of operation ... my criteria could be wrong

[parusnik]

The presented prototype has a General Electric H80-200 engine, but in the future it will be replaced by the Russian VK-800S. LMS-901

.Those. no prototype with a Russian engine? and import substitution is still in the future.

[Sedoy]

not beautiful at all ...
compared to the An-2, just a freak ...

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

On AN-2 from Europe to America

German businessman Michael Manuzakis prepared a Polish An-2 for sale and flew to the USA on it.
I put a large fuel tank in the passenger compartment.

Several programs from the "Steel Boys" cycle, Discovery Channel were devoted to this flight.

The reaction to the "giant Russian biplane" An-2 at the American air show was interesting :)

[ua3igz]

No one here is talking about the main problem of the An-2. 60-80% of unprepared passengers feel sick on it with terrible force, especially when it is bumpy, and 95% of girls are students. Sometimes there was not enough 3 liter package for the flight. This is not good in the 21st century)))

[Soldatov V.]

I decided to make one more comment. Each constituent entity, region, region has a ministry of transport. It would be nice for the ministers (especially of the Siberian and Far Eastern regions) to come together and choose what they need, for the price and performance characteristics. It’s like an initiative from below, it’s not bad for the deputies to join. Choose without any export problems and stupid international rules.