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"New. Easy. Sukhoi ": the official presentation of a single-engine domestic fighter of a new generation has begun at MAKS-2021

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"New. Easy. Sukhoi "- under this slogan Rostec is demonstrating a promising fighter at the International Aerospace Show (MAKS-2021). The concept of the aircraft has already been introduced to President Vladimir Putin.


At the same time, some of its characteristics were previously named, but the direct presentation to the “broad masses” was postponed several times during the first day of the international exhibition.

Now Rostec and the United Aircraft Corporation (United Aircraft Corporation) are publishing a presentation of The Checkmate combat aircraft (the chess term is checkmate, or checkmate).

Users on the air of the broadcast, which was launched long before its immediate start, have already managed to comment on the appearance of the concept of a new light single-engine fighter, and the situation in which the Internet presentation was postponed several times. In particular, both approving comments about the announced characteristics of the aircraft - in particular, on the maximum range of 3 thousand km, and exclamations of a pessimistic nature have appeared. It is noted that the stealth of a fighter may ultimately be controversial, since a number of weapons are mounted on an external sling. The combat load of the aircraft, as already noted, is about 7400 kg.

The presentation brought together dozens of journalists from various publications, channels, Internet sites, newspapers, etc.

From the presentation:

The Checkmate is technology proven in real combat. This is a high potential and economic efficiency. It is designed with supercomputer technology based on a full range of virtual tests.

It can be operated even at high-altitude airfields. The "Matryoshka" system has been created for the aircraft - a logistics system that includes personnel training.

No special aerodrome equipment is required for its operation. The plane is equipped with artificial intelligence.

Radar with AFAR allows The Checkmate to attack up to 6 targets simultaneously, even when jamming. It is capable of detecting and destroying 5th generation aircraft at close and long range. Its electronic warfare system does not allow the enemy to attack the aircraft. Internal containers may contain aviation guns.

The Checkmate was named a leader in the price-performance class. It was noted that unmanned versions of it are already being created.

Added that the aircraft is unique for its open configuration - for any customer.

[media = https: //youtu.be/Gc2l8xWau60]


During the presentation, the numbers 75 on board the aircraft were explained. It is indicated that this is an addition to the Su-57 aircraft, since "the numbers 5 and 7 are named lucky for the company."

As long as it's a number, as long as it's a message.
Photos used:
Russian President's website
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  1. Vasya Santa
    Vasya Santa 20 July 2021 19: 56
    -84%
    Cartoons are our everything)))
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 20 July 2021 20: 00
      -66%
      Quote: Vasya Santa
      Cartoons are our everything)))

      To be honest, all this is absurd, there is no plane, but there is a presentation.
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 20 July 2021 20: 21
        +36
        Quote: lis-ik
        there is no plane, but there is a presentation.

        It took about 22 years from the time of the first flight of the F-16 prototype until it was put into service. It took about 35 ... 15 years from the time of the first flight of the F-19 prototype until it was put into service. We can still do it quickly. But I agree, ours should learn to be more modest in assumptions. But nothing more.
        1. lis-ik
          lis-ik 20 July 2021 20: 31
          -29%
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          But I agree, ours should learn to be more modest in assumptions. But nothing more.

          It was just necessary to declare that they would present a concept, but not an airplane, and it didn’t come out beautifully.
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 20 July 2021 20: 35
            +15
            It is clear that this is a mock-up, and it looks like they made the plane for tenders abroad, where nothing has ever shone with the MiG-35, and the Su-35 and Su-57 are too large and expensive ... If it can be sold, the project will be successful. ... And the shaft of "inside" shows the difference in attitudes towards the interests of at least a firm, if not a country. In the countries of Europe, the USA, and even some India or Taiwan - until there is an official presentation - no one sees. In Russia, every gopher is a cameraman and genital director. A week before the presentation, the entire Runet is full of photos and videos.
            1. sanya_sergant
              sanya_sergant 20 July 2021 20: 48
              +14
              In fact, everything is clear.
              If we draw an analogy, before there were only Mercedes, BMW, Ferrari and Maseratti on the market, buying a new one is far from affordable for everyone, and the alternative is an old Mercedes from the secondary market (F-16 Block 70/72).
              And the Russians rolled out a shiny new Hyundai Solaris.
              Perhaps this is a brilliant move.
              1. For example
                For example 20 July 2021 21: 51
                +47
                Apparently they want to make a modern MiG 21 - a single-engine MASS aircraft.

                Cheap and functional.

                I think it will work.

                The main thing here is not to overload.
                Best the enemy of the good.

                Apparently for this they talk about modularity and configuration according to the wishes of the customer based on the real needs of the military of a particular country.

                In words, cool:
                - 2800 km range
                - 16 km altitude
                - 7 tons combat load
                - AFAR
                - EW
                - service support
                - the cheapest flight hour

                good

                May you succeed.
                1. Masha from uralmash
                  Masha from uralmash 22 July 2021 20: 35
                  0
                  2800 km, this is a ferry
              2. shahor
                shahor 20 July 2021 22: 56
                -46%
                Quote: sanya_sergant
                And the Russians rolled out a shiny new Hyundai Solaris.
                Perhaps this is a brilliant move.

                The Russians rolled out a mock-up of the super fret from plywood. The move is definitely ingenious.
              3. kuzimka
                kuzimka 21 July 2021 17: 13
                -9
                The Russians have reached unprecedented heights in aeromodelling. Now we should expect a model made of plywood of the 6,7,8 generation and spacecrafts of the 1st and 2nd generations. All aircraft modeling circles of all regional centers of Russia are ready to show their successes in creating analogue networks at MAKS 23, the main thing is that there is enough plywood and paints. It’s strange why VVP didn’t ask to show at least a combat squadron SU-57, which can currently perform combat missions, at the display of the layout ... And it turned out very cool, there’s no one to fight ... but Rostec will be financed, how can it be , another analogue ... Aviation engineers of Lockheed and Boeing urgently request or work visas to Russia, want to participate in the creation of a super plane
            2. SHURUM -BURUM
              SHURUM -BURUM 20 July 2021 21: 43
              -17%
              I'm not a specialist in aerodynamics, but I have an obsessive opinion that the walls of the air intake under the nose of the cockpit are so unrealistically thin for a real plane that flutter is inevitable and it will fall off in flight.
              1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                Ivanoff_Ivanoff 20 July 2021 23: 08
                -26%
                Quote: SHURUM -BURUM
                I'm not a specialist in aerodynamics, but I have an obsessive opinion that the walls of the air intake under the nose of the cockpit are so unrealistically thin for a real plane that flutter is inevitable and it will fall off in flight.

                in general, the air intake itself annoys me. And the shape (upper sharp edges, without smooth conjugation with the fuselage), and the section (it is not enough. And if we take into account the shading at high angles of attack ...)
                1. For example
                  For example 21 July 2021 06: 54
                  +5
                  Quote: Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                  in general, the air intake itself is annoying.


                  This is to the doctor:
                  - patient, what are you complaining about?
                  - Doctor, the air intake strains me. wassat
                  1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                    Ivanoff_Ivanoff 21 July 2021 09: 23
                    +1
                    Previously, at VO, people discussed technical issues. There were many competent specialists. Nowadays there are only clowns who are not in the teeth in technology, can only squeeze out of themselves a banal phrase with a claim to "witty". You swim fine, gentlemen
                    1. For example
                      For example 21 July 2021 11: 20
                      +1
                      Quote: Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                      People used to be on VO ..

                      And the cabbage soup was more rich, and the mirrors were more truthful ... wink

                      Quote: Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                      There were many competent specialists.


                      You are strained by the air intake of the aircraft, which (the aircraft and the air intake) you see for the first time, and only on your monitor.
                      What competence are you talking about? request

                      This is not competence, this is a sofa claim to the outside world.

                      Be healthy. wink
                      1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                        Ivanoff_Ivanoff 21 July 2021 11: 23
                        -3
                        Quote: For example
                        You see

                        I see a mock-up of an airplane, which, according to the statements of some people, will rise into the sky almost tomorrow. Only those who either do not understand anything, or who do not care, do not have any questions. What are you from?
                      2. For example
                        For example 21 July 2021 11: 31
                        +1
                        Demagoguery is not your idea.
                        But you like it.

                        You think the engineers of the Sukhoi company are deb.ils who cannot cope with the air intake.

                        There is no desire to pour water into the sieve.
                      3. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                        Ivanoff_Ivanoff 21 July 2021 11: 33
                        -3
                        You have given an exhaustive answer. Of those who do not understand anything and who do not care
                      4. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                        Ivanoff_Ivanoff 21 July 2021 11: 39
                        -2
                        Quote: For example
                        Do you consider the engineers of the Sukhoi company to be deb.ilami

                        Firstly, I do not consider them as such. I am interested in the reasons for the decisions made and how this will affect the characteristics of the airplane. Can you quote a quote so as not to be a gibberish?

                        Secondly, when discussing the same F-35, such a bunch of "highly professional engineers" is formed that, willy-nilly, one wonders - why do not they work for Lockheed Martin or another aircraft building company, because they know how to do it much better than aviation engineers? Double standards, sir? Or just stupidity rushing?
                    2. Masha from uralmash
                      Masha from uralmash 22 July 2021 20: 38
                      -1
                      already buzzed on all the news, the first flight is planned in 2023
                    3. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                      Ivanoff_Ivanoff 22 July 2021 20: 53
                      -1
                      Quote: Masha from Uralmash
                      already buzzed on all the news, the first flight is planned in 2023

                      Dear Masha! Have you noticed how I constructed the phrase:
                      Quote: Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                      which, according to the statements of some people, almost tomorrow will rise into the sky

                      On this resource there will be about 50 people who will prove to you with foam at the mouth that the plane is about to fly. In addition, the officials muttered something like that this particular plane would rise into the air. Those. - before us is the final design.
                      So clearer?
                    4. Masha from uralmash
                      Masha from uralmash 22 July 2021 21: 02
                      -1
                      Clear. The people hope that this is a normal thing, Rostec has twirled such a marketing intrigue, even I was led and began to guess and hammer on the shape of the air intakes)) And even guessed it (except for the lower jumper).

                      Well, we can and this one, why not (although I would not have taken a fully stuffed machine to the exhibition in order to avoid it, even more so if it does not fly there). And the fact that he would not fly at MAKS was immediately clear:
                      - the first flight at a large exhibition is not a very smart decision
                      - and until now the machine has not flown, otherwise pictures and vidos without covers and draperies would have been leaked to the network long ago. But I hoped that at least within a year it would fly, but you see how ... and those plans are likely to move to the right.
                    5. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                      Ivanoff_Ivanoff 22 July 2021 21: 10
                      -1
                      Quote: Masha from Uralmash
                      And the fact that he would not fly at MAKS was immediately clear:
                      - the first flight at a large exhibition is not a very smart decision

                      you see, it is clear to us, reasonable people. But there is still a whole lot of comrades (who consider themselves the smartest and the only right) who do not fit into their heads. How so, brought - and not fly? And no reasonable arguments will work, alas ...

                      It takes 8-10 years from the beginning of design to the first flight. World practice. And this is with proper funding. So 2023 is also optimistic. However, this time is just around the corner. But the fact that the LTS would not fly at MAKS, in my opinion, was clear to all sane
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      2. Tusv
        Tusv 21 July 2021 07: 02
        +2
        Quote: Ivanoff_Ivanoff
        in general, the air intake itself annoys me. And the shape (upper sharp edges, without smooth conjugation with the fuselage), and the section (it is not enough. And if we take into account the shading at high angles of attack ...)

        They write that the shape of the air intake perfectly disguises the turbine. And so that the angles of attack do not interfere, such a predatory beak is thought out IMHO
        1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
          Ivanoff_Ivanoff 21 July 2021 09: 27
          -4
          Quote: Tusv
          the shape of the air intake perfectly masks the turbine

          it depends on the shape of the air intake duct. In particular, if it is S-shaped, there is no signal re-reflection.
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 21 July 2021 06: 59
      0
      Quote: SHURUM -BURUM
      I am not a specialist in aerodynamics, but I have an obsessive opinion that the walls of the air intake under the nose of the cockpit are so unrealistically thin for a real aircraft,

      So you judge by the photograph, not by the real plane. In the photo, for example, the wing edge is a micron thinner than the upper edge of the air intake. And the top edge itself is like 15 to one from the break line to the cabin
  2. LiSiCyn
    LiSiCyn 20 July 2021 22: 39
    +27
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    It is clear that this is a layout

    According to TgK "AviaNews", whose representatives were at AviaMax, this is not a model. The layout is not assembled like that. Most likely a prototype for ground testing.


    1. bayard
      bayard 20 July 2021 22: 59
      +16
      Quote: LiSiCyn
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      It is clear that this is a layout

      According to TgK "AviaNews", whose representatives were at AviaMax, this is not a model. The layout is not assembled like that. Most likely a prototype for ground testing.



      After all, the flippers, and I was thinking, really have completely abandoned the elevators ...
      And yes, this is not a mock-up, this is a prototype, albeit not flying.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 21 July 2021 01: 12
        +7
        And yes, this is not a mock-up, this is a prototype, albeit not flying.

        Will fly. wink
      2. Titus_2
        Titus_2 21 July 2021 02: 23
        +19
        I agree with you .... any techie I think will understand that the bird is very close to flying ... and for sketiics it blows out their brains because of the shape and contours of the cranial cortex ... someone has such a thickness, I suppose this is because of a great dislike for the homeland dilution of the substance in the head. Guys, but by God, I'm glad that our designers did a great job ... the thing in metal and they took everything and rolled it out without blah blah. The fact that these things will fly, I have no doubt and with all my heart I am glad ..... really .... a week ago and did not suspect that there would be such a surprise at all. Good luck to our designers and test pilots as soon as possible.
    2. URAL72
      URAL72 20 July 2021 23: 17
      +13
      That's all right. I would not be surprised if, within the framework of the presentation, the first flight is carried out in front of thousands of spectators tomorrow. That will be a shock! This will be a unique presentation! And the engine is similar to AL-41, with a product nozzle 30. This thrust was just sounded. But this is for now.
    3. ultra
      ultra 21 July 2021 01: 47
      +1
      Slyusar said that this particular plane will make its first flight.
    4. Svetlana
      Svetlana 21 July 2021 08: 12
      +3

      Inclined sides with a stealth coating on the tail cover the nozzle with a variable thrust vector in 2 planes and reduce the aircraft's visibility on radar screens.
  3. Alex777
    Alex777 21 July 2021 01: 10
    +8
    It is clear that this is a layout

    Not a layout. Slyusarev said that the prototype will fly. hi
  4. Achilles
    Achilles 21 July 2021 09: 37
    +2
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    It is clear that this is a layout

    At MAKS-2021 and at the Sukhoi Design Bureau they said that this is a prototype, not a layout, study the issue from the beginning before writing anything
  • BecmepH
    BecmepH 21 July 2021 08: 00
    -7
    Quote: lis-ik
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    But I agree, ours should learn to be more modest in assumptions. But nothing more.

    It was just necessary to declare that they would present a concept, but not an airplane, and it didn’t come out beautifully.

    It is not clear to me what types the "-" is used. After all, a person says obvious and correct things. The gopher is not visible, and there is a lot of talk about him. Please talk about plans and intentions, but don't shout about the finished product.
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 20 July 2021 22: 42
    +14
    but it's better to get up in a circle and kill in unison ... Ale, garage, they need to cut coupons, therefore they need to sell the plane, and for this you need to hold presentations so that by the time production is completed they have a list of countries that will be ready to buy than later 5-7 years to "sell"
  • Maxxcc
    Maxxcc 20 July 2021 21: 39
    -42%
    Well, how not !? Made of plywood
    1. Grits
      Grits 21 July 2021 06: 53
      +1
      Quote: Maxxcc
      Well, how not !? Made of plywood

      Well, Duc, Armata, after all, plywood went quite well at the parade. And this plywood will fly just as well.
    2. Esaul
      Esaul 21 July 2021 09: 30
      +1
      Open your eyes, you can see that the body is metal with characteristic marks from blows with a sledgehammer.
  • Guru
    Guru 20 July 2021 22: 20
    +19
    To be honest, all this is absurd, there is no plane, but there is a presentation.
    Don't confuse "Presentation" with "Demo"
  • Mikhail Tynda
    Mikhail Tynda 21 July 2021 00: 12
    +6
    This is called marketing.
  • Seryoga64
    Seryoga64 20 July 2021 20: 08
    +56
    Quote: Vasya Santa
    Cartoons are our everything)))

    That's right, yours.
    Well, boast that you have created besides the Hammer mortar
    1. zloybond
      zloybond 20 July 2021 22: 10
      -23%
      Pointless arguments. So far, this is only a layout and a set of slogans. Let's talk when (if) it will fly and if there will be a series. There is nothing to talk about yet.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 20 July 2021 20: 14
    +24
    Vasya Santa has not tried to shoot a film? In a strange way in Russia, "cartoons" then turn into real military items, I don't know how you got there in the Ukrainian-ryany ...
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 21 July 2021 07: 12
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      In a strange way in Russia, "cartoons" then turn into real military products

      This is magic. Not otherwise. By the way, for the first time the F-35 was actually shown to the public in the form of a plastic model in Farnborough, and not in the form of a prototype.
  • tranquil
    tranquil 20 July 2021 20: 29
    +41
    Quote: Vasya Santa
    Cartoons are our everything)))

    Yes, yes, and the bridge is also drawn laughing
  • xorek
    xorek 20 July 2021 20: 37
    +17
    Quote: Vasya Santa
    Cartoons are our everything)))

    There will be cartoons for you, not yet such ..he heh! They haven't shown anything yet, but the screams of the pack are already barking. And that's good!
  • Terenin
    Terenin 20 July 2021 23: 04
    +24
    Quote: Vasya Santa
    Cartoons are our everything)))

    You work clumsy, lads. May not pay No.
    The article came out at 19:50.
    Read the test, and write the post - let it be a minute.
    Video 28 min.
    Total: almost 30 min.
    Your post takes off from under the pen in six minutes (19:56).
    Eh, Vasya Santa laughing
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 21 July 2021 01: 16
    +8
    Well, judging by the comments YOUR EVERYTHING is purely your Ukrainian EVERYTHING that is not strange))))) but so yes ...
  • Alien From
    Alien From 21 July 2021 02: 15
    +2
    Watch movies lol
  • Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 20 July 2021 19: 59
    -47%
    We need real facts, it looks strange under the cover
    1. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 20 July 2021 20: 09
      +23
      Full of photos where it is not under the cover
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 20 July 2021 20: 15
        -54%
        Quote: Seryoga64
        Full of photos where it is not under the cover

        How much pathos there was, but they showed just a layout and wishlist with abstract customers. That is why no one takes the leadership of the Russian Federation seriously, one artistic whistle and fairy tales, in all spheres.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 20 July 2021 20: 45
          +18
          How much pathos was

          Yes, there was normal pathos, as much as necessary in advertising.
          showed just a layout and wishlist with abstract customers

          What else could you have shown at the very first presentation? No one in their right mind doubted that this would be a mock-up.
          1. Mitroha
            Mitroha 20 July 2021 21: 22
            +8
            Quote: alexmach
            No one in their right mind doubted that this would be a mock-up.

            So none of the doubters is drawn to a person in their right mind.
          2. venik
            venik 20 July 2021 21: 34
            +1
            Quote: alexmach
            No one in their right mind doubted that this would be a mock-up.

            =======
            Honestly, I hoped that this was already a prototype for ground tests - aerodynamic (blowing in a tube) or strength ... Although not enough time has passed since the start of development - only 4 years ...
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 20 July 2021 22: 03
              +10
              Well, in all honesty, no one said that somewhere such a prototype is not going or is no longer worth it. If they are planning their first flight in 2 years, then it’s just time to plan both blowing in the tube and strength tests of the airframe. But at the presentation, they will definitely show not a "naked" body of a prototype for strength tests or pipes, but a beautifully painted, albeit not functional, model.
              1. venik
                venik 22 July 2021 14: 27
                +1
                Quote: alexmach
                Well, in all honesty, no one said that somewhere such a prototype is not going or is no longer worth it. If they are planning their first flight in 2 years,

                ========
                good Honestly, "at the time of ona", at first the so-called. "layout" model, on which all "layout decisions" were tested (in order to determine if there are any design errors: is everything "correct" and are there no errors?).
                By the way - such a "layout" often allowed to reveal design errors (either the hydraulic and pneumatic lines "do not go there, then the cabling" does not match ", then it is difficult to get to individual nodes ....).
                Now everything has changed - 3-D computer-aided design! request
                Today it is possible to do without it ...
                But what we saw: this is clearly not a "plywood layout"! This is something BIGGER! Perhaps - a "prototype" for blowing, perhaps - for strength tests ... request Who knows?
            2. Alex777
              Alex777 21 July 2021 01: 16
              +3
              Although not enough time has passed since the start of development - only 4 years ...

              A year has passed and this is a prototype. good
          3. akarfoxhound
            akarfoxhound 20 July 2021 23: 00
            +13
            When ours in 1967 unexpectedly "presented" the MiG-25 on the Aviation Day in Tushino, which swept over the stands with imported guests, the US Congress unscheduled to discuss this news for itself. This was the first presentation with a sane mind!
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 20 July 2021 23: 03
              -1
              Want to go back to 67?
        2. Barberry25
          Barberry25 20 July 2021 22: 43
          +14
          laughing yeah, they drew the bridge, drew the cosmodrome, drew the Olympics, drew the football championship ... drew a lot of things ... but it came true
          1. A_Mazkov
            A_Mazkov 21 July 2021 07: 20
            0
            Oh! And how many serious people got from this! :)))
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 21 July 2021 09: 43
              +1
              and many sat down, what to do, big projects always and everywhere have problems, but there are projects and this is a fact
              1. A_Mazkov
                A_Mazkov 22 July 2021 09: 36
                0
                Quote: Barberry25
                and many sat down, what to do, big projects always and everywhere have problems, but there are projects and this is a fact

                The fact that there are projects is good.
                But very often they turn into saws.
        3. Mikhail Tynda
          Mikhail Tynda 21 July 2021 00: 14
          -11%
          So far, only from you I hear the artistic clang of my tongue.
        4. Fuse angel
          Fuse angel 21 July 2021 04: 55
          +9
          Firstly, this is not a mock-up, but a prototype ready for flight tests, and secondly, what has to do with the leadership of the Russian Federation, when this aircraft is completely the company's initiative and made at its own expense. In addition, this is a product, and like any product, advertising is needed, and the brighter it is, the more it will be bought.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 20 July 2021 19: 59
    +18
    RF needs a workhorse, massive. No need to make a monument out of stealth. This must be one of the configurations.
    1. venik
      venik 20 July 2021 21: 51
      +7
      Quote: Zaurbek
      RF needs a workhorse, massive. No need to make a monument out of stealth. This must be one of the configurations.

      ========
      In fact, stealth technology includes 2 main components:
      1 - the geometry of the aircraft itself assuming rescattering of the irradiating radar beam in other directions;
      2 - radio-absorbing coating.
      The geometry of the presented fighter already fully complies with the "stealth" requirements. And our radio-absorbing coatings have already been worked out for a long time ..... So the message is not entirely clear: " This should be one of the configurations". Another thing is that the electronic" stuffing "must have different configurations and meet the requirements and financial capabilities of the customer ....
      1. dauria
        dauria 20 July 2021 22: 04
        -18%
        So the message is not quite clear: "This should be one of the configurations."


        The man said everything correctly. One of the configurations is the full load on the external suspensions and then the EPR as it turns out. The other is everything inside that will fit, but with a small RCS.
        Only whim it all. First, they create an industrial power, which then makes airplanes. And not vice versa. The "dear Russians" were late. We played everything together with Boris and his successor. Now from a low start and running at least for the Koreans.
        Oh yes ... laughing I almost forgot to fans of "skip further" and so on ... I am a Mordvin and a Russian. Only the sighted, unfortunately.
        1. Alber alber
          Alber alber 20 July 2021 22: 17
          +17
          As I understand it in your logic, you shouldn't bother with nuclear weapons anymore, with hypersound, Poseidons and Petrel, let's disarm before creating an industrial superpower, and only then ... Then, of course, if they don't crash before, well, the examples of China, Korea , Iran, Libya, Iraq, as it is strongly advised not to wait for anything and not to trust anyone, but to do what we must and can.
          1. dauria
            dauria 20 July 2021 22: 50
            -12%
            As I understand it in your logic, you don't need to bother with nuclear weapons anymore,

            This is your logic, do not attribute it to me. But the "fuss" is true.
            Awkward attempts to squeeze even a bit more out of the Soviet reserve. Yes, only it ended.
            1. Alber alber
              Alber alber 20 July 2021 23: 21
              +9
              What does it mean to ascribe or not, you read yourself, remember Putin's message, everything is there, it works, something new appears. And that's enough for this eternal suffering over the backlog, the Yankees used to pick and buy our secrets, so they also lived on the backlog of the Union, and now they only promise to repeat the flight to the Moon? You can find fault with everything new with such an approach, but if you could cast the backlog of hypersound in metal, if you were able to return white swans to the conveyor, if they create boreas, ash trees, calibers and then a huge list, then there are those who can realize this backlog, process it into a new level, create a production infrastructure for it, design bureaus, train narrow specialists, which means that the main thing is saved, the main thing is school!
              Kst Defense recently read a translation of an article, they also suffer that the US's capabilities to modernize its main carriers of Yabch, as well as to modernize the warheads themselves, are lost and everything needs to be sharpened anew. I tell you that on the import front, your dreams about museums are much more likely to come true.
          2. Yves762
            Yves762 20 July 2021 23: 38
            -6
            Yeah ...what...
            The main thing is not to forget that the previous two empires (already!) Lived in this territory died not due to lack of weapons... soldier
            1. Titus_2
              Titus_2 21 July 2021 16: 38
              0
              And you remember how many people were killed in these empires due to technical backwardness.
              1. Yves762
                Yves762 21 July 2021 17: 41
                0
                I wonder how this contradicts what I said ??? request
                what
                But in general...
                Backwardness is determined by far not only weapons.
                Where was the 3rd Reich "technically"?
                .
                And-and-and .... What happened to him ??? wink
                Better yet, think about the demography of the Russian Federation.
                1. Alber alber
                  Alber alber 21 July 2021 21: 52
                  0
                  And how is what you said inconsistent with what I said? Rome and a bunch of other leaders of the economy and just hegemons have sunk into oblivion, I have been ahead of all levels conceivable then, but their internal rot has taken them to the history books. This topic also concerns us and others, my idea is that in Russia there is someone to continue the work of their ancestors, there is a groundwork, a school and a base, there are people who can do it and want to do it. There is no need to shed bloody tears at times that do not exist, you need to sensitively shine your interests and protect your inner unity, poison a number of dull ones like cockroaches. The main thing is that if you first wait for an economic miracle, and then make the ideals of technology, military or civilian, we will very quickly be slammed.
                  1. Yves762
                    Yves762 21 July 2021 23: 55
                    0
                    Quote: Alber Alber
                    And how is what you said inconsistent with what I said? ...

                    Exactly so that you greatly overestimate the successes (which is controversial) in the military-industrial complex, pulling them (like a famous owl) on other moments.
                    Your multi-letter theses are not obvious, ambiguous, highly controversial ... ect. Therefore, they cannot be the basis of consensus.

                    P-s. S-s.
                    Quote: Alber Alber
                    ... remember Putin's message ...

                    Same as referring to Colin Powell's test tube ...laughing
                    1. Alber alber
                      Alber alber 22 July 2021 20: 17
                      0
                      All your statements to the contrary are exactly the same. I don't notice controversy No.
        2. Barberry25
          Barberry25 20 July 2021 22: 44
          +4
          "for the Koreans", but what do Koreans have that we don't have?
          1. Alber alber
            Alber alber 20 July 2021 22: 51
            0
            I did not understand the essence of the question in the context of the comment to which I answered. I require clarification
        3. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 20 July 2021 23: 00
          +10
          Quote: dauria
          Only the sighted, unfortunately.

          Well, sighted people also have vision aberrations. Where do you think Russian planes are built? And from what. After all, they build a lot. Already passenger, and helicopters, and drones ...
          1. dauria
            dauria 20 July 2021 23: 35
            -2
            After all, they build a lot.


            A lot is 17 MiG-31s ​​a month plus MiG-21 bis to Indians for export only at one factory in Gorky. Or 19 Mi-24s per month, plus heels of Yak-55 for flying clubs in Arsenyev.
            What is now taking years was once a monthly plan.
            1. Mikhail Tynda
              Mikhail Tynda 21 July 2021 00: 21
              -2
              Did you see that in the crystal ball? Blissful ...
            2. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 21 July 2021 00: 21
              +7
              Quote: dauria
              A lot is 17 MiG-31s ​​a month plus MiG-21 bis to Indians for export only at one factory in Gorky. Or 19 Mi-24s per month, plus heels of Yak-55 for flying clubs in Arsenyev.
              What is now taking years was once a monthly plan.

              Well, where will I break through now? Does Russia need a thousand fighters a year at the moment? Is the war already underway? I haven't heard ... How many fighters are there in Russia now? Well, including multipurpose ... 600-700. This park should not be renewed annually. Anything in the body of the state can crack.
            3. Ovsigovets
              Ovsigovets 21 July 2021 01: 23
              +5
              well, go and buy and most importantly pay for more ... ... it feels like the result is NOTHING, and most importantly the process ... the main thing is to build a dofig and surprise everyone ... but where? what for? for whom? ... how many ordered so much and are building))))
            4. Dikson
              Dikson 21 July 2021 08: 14
              0
              .. people often don't want to see anything behind slogans ..
              Quote: "this plane, which is in the photo, and so it is all from bow to stern densely packed with all sorts of cool pieces of iron, pipes, cables and other interesting gizmos. All - I mean that there are only a couple of places inside the fuselage, where it is possible for an adult to completely fit in with matyugas, we do not count the cabin and bomb bay (although mother does not worry about junk in the bomb bay too!) So, all these tons of the most complicated engineering equipment, assemblies, assemblies, electronic units are now simply not produced anywhere. And ten years ago, and 20 years ago, none of this was produced. But all this equipment is aging, wears out and breaks down. And periodically it needs to be replaced, since it is simply forbidden to repair many products and assembly units "on the knee" - it is too complicated and requires a lot of special expensive equipment.
              And what, what is the way out in this situation? That's right, we sculpt "candy from .. mud."
              Specifically, this liner No. 53, for a one-time distillation from the base to the plant in Kazan, was restored by the brigade for almost a year. YEAR, !!!!, daily work from dawn to the stop, so that he just flew half the country once and did not crash with the crew! " sky ..
      2. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 21 July 2021 09: 49
        0
        The radio-absorbing materials of the airframe itself, and then the coating that complements everything. Three elements.
  • Constanty
    Constanty 20 July 2021 20: 01
    +8
    If by some miracle the predictions come true and in 2026-2027 goes into mass production, it will be a death sentence for the MiG-35.
    1. Pechkin
      Pechkin 20 July 2021 20: 05
      +2
      it will be a death sentence for the MiG-35.
      That which is dead cannot die.
    2. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 20 July 2021 20: 10
      +6
      Quote: Constanty
      there will be a death sentence for the MiG-35.

      Aircraft of different classes and designed to solve different problems
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 20 July 2021 20: 13
        +7
        Unfortunately no. Direct competitor.
        Only the customer's habit of the MiG-29 can somehow help the MiG-35. hi
        ZY Well, the MiG seems to be there, and when Su will still be ...
        1. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 20 July 2021 20: 14
          +4
          Quote: Alex777
          Only the customer's habit of the MiG-29 can somehow help the MiG-35.

          And they hardly buy it anyway.
        2. Barberry25
          Barberry25 21 July 2021 09: 44
          +1
          well, if migari mig-35 with one engine is gash ... maybe that will turn out
      2. Constanty
        Constanty 20 July 2021 20: 16
        +11
        These different grades and spreads are debatable. Both fighters
        MiG-35 range 2000/3100 km, combat load about 6500 kg. New. Easy. Sukhoi flight range 3000 km, combat load about 7400 kg.

        The parameters are very similar
        1. Operator
          Operator 20 July 2021 22: 09
          -14%
          MiG-35 - sucks: twin-engine, 4 generations (without stealth technology and AFAR).
          1. akarfoxhound
            akarfoxhound 20 July 2021 23: 06
            +5
            Let me be curious, calling the MiG-35 "complete crap", based on your personal experience of operating what aviation equipment did you say this?
            1. Operator
              Operator 21 July 2021 01: 09
              -10%
              Learn materiel - what is performance characteristics.
              1. akarfoxhound
                akarfoxhound 21 July 2021 09: 04
                +4
                Quote: Operator
                Learn materiel - what is performance characteristics.

                Wow, how loudly pathetic! good
                And what is typical - my materiel, unlike you, I know. Do you have operating experience with which aircraft, huh?
                And for you to bend your fingers back, knowledge of materiel - this is not the performance characteristics of the wikipedia of curious boys, This is a thorough knowledge of the Airplane Flight Manual (Flight Manual), UPS (instructions for the combat use of this product) and other documents regulating the operation of this technique, and on their basis the competent operation of the device (flight practice). And if such a variegated goldfinch in lieutenant's shoulder straps with only bare knowledge of performance characteristics snaps into admission, then I will smack him in such a way that the Indians with their Kama Sutra will be envious!
                P.S. so, dear, what we have in stock:
                - your dismissive superficial snot about a completely unfamiliar materiel;
                - lack of experience in flight operation of aviation technology as such and fighter in particular wink
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                2. LiSiCyn
                  LiSiCyn 21 July 2021 09: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: akarfoxhound
                  And if such a variegated goldfinch in lieutenant's shoulder straps with only bare knowledge of performance characteristics snaps into admission, then I will smack him in such a way that the Indians with their Kama Sutra will be envious!

                  Very beautiful, and most importantly "kulutorno". laughing good
      3. Pechkin
        Pechkin 20 July 2021 20: 18
        +7
        Seryoga64: designed to solve different problems
        For what tasks, what tasks will Mig have if there is a light and heavy Sukhoi, and even a new generation and architecture. And the spent Su-30-35. Why would there be a two-motor Mig.
    3. venik
      venik 20 July 2021 21: 55
      +4
      Quote: Constanty
      If by some miracle the predictions come true and in 2026-2027 goes into mass production, it will be a death sentence for the MiG-35.

      =======
      Not only the MiG-35, but also some foreign machines ...
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 20 July 2021 21: 59
        +4
        Yes, Sukhoi is an experienced office, and if the project is successful, it will be a serious competition for many aircraft.
      2. Titus_2
        Titus_2 21 July 2021 02: 40
        0
        About some foreign ones ..... Your owl to God in the ears.
  • Labrador
    Labrador 20 July 2021 20: 02
    -4
    And the name for the project was not found in the native and mighty !?
    1. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 20 July 2021 20: 11
      +9
      Quote: Labrador
      And the name for the project was not found in the native and mighty !?

      Well, it is primarily focused on sales
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 20 July 2021 21: 15
        -16%
        Quote: Seryoga64
        Well, it is primarily focused on sales

        Like everyone else in our country with this government. As soon as Armata was rolled out to Red Square, there was only talk about export potential. In the troops, it is zero. The same goes for the SU-57, Terminator and S-500.
        Does anyone still have doubts about the true goals of "our" government?
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 20 July 2021 22: 46
          +11
          laughing I heard the same speeches here in the tenths about the S-400 and Pantsir, for example ... I wonder, in five years, what will you sing?
        2. bk316
          bk316 20 July 2021 22: 46
          +9
          The same goes for the SU-57, the Terminator and C-500.

          And mister sovramshi ...
          And what about the S-400 are silent? Also in the troops 0?
          And how can there be a system that has not passed the state system in the troops and to whom are we selling it?
  • marchcat
    marchcat 20 July 2021 20: 02
    +16
    The Checkmate (chess term - checkmate, or checkmate).
    Shah, I agree, but the checkmate is still far away. The party has just begun ...
  • Pico
    Pico 20 July 2021 20: 06
    -20%
    Demonstrator?
    1. Pico
      Pico 20 July 2021 22: 52
      -3
      Yes, they broke off so they broke off the expectations of some characters laughing laughing
  • JuanMatus
    JuanMatus 20 July 2021 20: 08
    -3
    Glider design - 1991
    At least - visually - Northrop MRF-54E project.

    1. PN
      PN 20 July 2021 20: 23
      +25
      Well, here the nose is not so elongated.
      And if you look at civil aviation, then don't worry about it at all, all planes look the same)))
    2. poquello
      poquello 20 July 2021 20: 30
      +9
      Quote: JuanMatus
      visual - Northrop MRF-54E project.

      )))))))))) ears, paws, tail
    3. Baron pardus
      Baron pardus 20 July 2021 20: 38
      -13%
      And for me it is VERY similar to the Boeing X-32. The X-32 lost the competition to the JSF X-35, despite the fact that the X-32 had better flight characteristics, especially in terms of maneuverability.
    4. Cowbra
      Cowbra 20 July 2021 21: 16
      +8
      Quote: JuanMatus
      Glider design - 1991

      Except for a tiny detail that Northrop is not designed for super-maneuverability, but this is immediately another generation
      1. poquello
        poquello 20 July 2021 21: 44
        +12
        Quote: Cowbra
        Quote: JuanMatus
        Glider design - 1991

        Except for a tiny detail that Northrop is not designed for super-maneuverability, but this is immediately another generation

        yes there are a bunch of these parts, from the shape of the intake to the general proportion, to the ophthalmologist, all to the ophthalmologist
      2. vinschu
        vinschu 21 July 2021 07: 38
        -2
        And where did you see the super-maneuverability of the SU-75 with a maximum overload of 8? He has a strange concept .... quite. It was unambiguously marketers who worked on it, not a designer.
  • jeka424
    jeka424 20 July 2021 20: 08
    -44%
    there is no plane, only a layout)))))))))) tales told by the master
    1. Sasha Minakov
      Sasha Minakov 20 July 2021 20: 26
      +19
      how is it with the hammer on the outskirts?
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 20 July 2021 20: 10
    -12%
    It can be operated even at high-altitude airfields.

    It can also be piloted without removing the turban. bully
  • Serge_
    Serge_ 20 July 2021 20: 11
    -57%
    Interestingly, this thread is read in Rostec or in Sukhoi? According to the presentation, the plane is full of it. What kind of squalor is this? This machine does not stand up to criticism - yes, the Mig 35 will tear it like a hot water bottle. In a real maneuverable battle. All the same, 2 engines are two engines. The new plane is a waste of money. And by the way, taxpayer money.
    1. jeka424
      jeka424 20 July 2021 20: 13
      -21%
      They said the same economically profitable project))))
      1. Serge_
        Serge_ 20 July 2021 20: 17
        -44%
        It will cost many times more than the Mig 35. And the characteristics will be worse than those of the Mig.
    2. Evil troll
      Evil troll 20 July 2021 20: 16
      -17%
      It would be better if they gave it to pensioners!
      1. Serge_
        Serge_ 20 July 2021 20: 18
        -39%
        What does pensioners have to do with it? You'd better tell me, why does Russia need this junk at all?
        1. Evil troll
          Evil troll 20 July 2021 20: 20
          +11
          Then it's an export plane, that's why. I'm surprised at your ability to determine the characteristics of the layout, please teach.
          1. Serge_
            Serge_ 20 July 2021 20: 27
            -40%
            Yeah, you think that fools are sitting abroad. They will buy cars from China and the United States as a result. I do not see any export potential for this aircraft. They will want to buy the SU-57 E if the price is reasonable.
            1. Evil troll
              Evil troll 20 July 2021 20: 34
              +14
              I think that abroad they are not fools sitting and with their hands they will tear off a 5th generation plane for 30 lam (moreover, the moment-35 costs 45 lam).
              1. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky 21 July 2021 09: 37
                0
                You think...
                How many planes have you personally sold? Do you trade them? What are such profound conclusions based on?
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              1. Serge_
                Serge_ 20 July 2021 20: 52
                -23%
                Let's not get personal. You, too, are clearly not very versed in the design of aircraft. The Mig has better characteristics (two engines, which means better maneuverability and speed) and is cheaper. The plane is already available for purchase.
                1. Vol4ara
                  Vol4ara 20 July 2021 21: 00
                  +4
                  Quote: Serge_
                  Let's not get personal. You, too, are clearly not very versed in the design of aircraft. The Mig has better characteristics (two engines, which means better maneuverability and speed) and is cheaper. The plane is already available for purchase.

                  Come on, 2 engines means more, Mig35 cost 2011 million in 45, how much is it now? Multiply by 2 safely. A new drying is promised for 30 + the rate of climb of the drying will be higher, the EPR is lower, cheaper to maintain, more maneuverable, more attractive export
                  1. Serge_
                    Serge_ 20 July 2021 21: 10
                    -23%
                    There is no need to provide data from Wikipedia. There may well be false information. How much the Mig 35 costs now most likely depends on the configuration. And from the number of cars produced, the larger the batch, the lower the cost. The new aircraft is dry so far in the form of a mock-up, and how much it will eventually cost is unknown. But I suspect that you will have to pay more in the end. But a lot of money was allocated from the budget for the development of this aircraft. What if the plane won't go? What if they do not want to buy this plane, because it will not have obvious advantages even over Soviet flashes and dryers? My personal opinion is that the money was wasted. For this money, it would be better to restore production of the Yak 141. This machine is simply incredible in its flight and tactical characteristics.
                    1. loki565
                      loki565 20 July 2021 21: 52
                      +9
                      For this money, it would be better to restore production of the Yak 141.

                      In addition to vertical takeoff, there is nothing outstanding in it, it a priori loses in performance characteristics of aircraft with classic takeoff
                      1. Serge_
                        Serge_ 20 July 2021 22: 02
                        -11%
                        Yak 141 is an example of how to design such aircraft. Vertical take-off aircraft is the future. You can read what technologies were used to create this unique supersonic machine.
                        Jet rudders are located at the ends of the tail booms

                        Yak xnumx
                      2. loki565
                        loki565 20 July 2021 22: 22
                        +9
                        Yak 141 is an example of how to design such aircraft. The future is with vertical take-off aircraft

                        For helicopter carriers only, for normal use it will lose on performance characteristics. It is heavier, less fuel, less combat load, less combat radius when compared with the same aircraft with a classic takeoff.
                      3. Serge_
                        Serge_ 20 July 2021 22: 31
                        -3
                        You do not understand what is the advantage of this machine - it can take off even if you no longer have any airfield. She has as many as six takeoff scenarios and two landing scenarios. The car is also supersonic, and there are elements of stealth. You will wonder why this plane is interesting even after 30 years. You will discover a lot of new things.
                        A very interesting and technologically advanced car.
  • PN
    PN 20 July 2021 20: 26
    +4
    Well, remember, when was the last maneuverable air battle in world history? It's time to act remotely using electronic warfare.
    1. Serge_
      Serge_ 20 July 2021 20: 35
      -23%
      The Americans chose the F 22 not only because of its beauty and stealth, but also because this aircraft felt confident in maneuverable close combat. Maybe you have nowhere to put your money? Better to release a few hundred MiG 35s, which will be more useful during the war. During the Second World War, the Germans were already releasing a bunch of the latest technology, and in the end they lost to the most massive Soviet tanks and aircraft. It is a sin not to know such common truths.
      1. PN
        PN 20 July 2021 21: 23
        -11%
        We lost, because we made only a couple of mistakes: we didn't prepare for the winter and stretched out the front near Moscow, it's also a sin to forget about it)))
        1. poquello
          poquello 20 July 2021 21: 53
          +14
          Quote: PN
          We lost, because we made only a couple of mistakes: we didn't prepare for the winter and stretched out the front near Moscow, it's also a sin to forget about it)))

          What nonsense, the Germans reached Moscow because the Russians made a couple of mistakes, and the Germans had only one mistake - they shouldn't have started it
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 21 July 2021 03: 52
          +1
          Shine))) only two mistakes) They did not plan to prepare for the winter. It's not a mistake. This is the failure of the original plan. Stretched out the front? Can you tell me for what reason?))
          All that you said is a consequence.
    2. Baron pardus
      Baron pardus 20 July 2021 20: 45
      +8
      Before Vietnam, they also thought that missiles were our everything. Then we were wrong. I urgently had to screw the M61 to the phantom. After the battles in the Middle East, the Soviet Air Force used the proverb "If you see a MIRAGE, do not become with it in a VIRAGE". This is probably also because maneuverability is not important. Then they were wrong too. As well as the Mig-23, surpassing the F-16 in speed, acceleration and rate of climb, it could not withstand it. Maneuverability is not the same. I think that now they are also mistaken, I think that maneuverability is still needed and how. Now, when already sickly electronic warfare systems are on airplanes, trap drones are being prepared, which are indistinguishable from a real fighter by infrared and radio emission, and on the approaches laser plasma holograms of a trap, then firing from a 50+ kilometer air rocket will be ineffective.
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 21 July 2021 01: 32
        -1
        Quote: Baron Pardus
        and on the approaches, laser-plasma holograms of the trap

        More flying saucers on the way: D
    3. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 20 July 2021 20: 47
      +4
      Quote: PN
      Well, remember, when was the last maneuverable air battle in world history? It's time to act remotely using electronic warfare.

      Well, remind me when there was the last air battle of developed powers, using all means, including radio, ground air defense
    4. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 21 July 2021 11: 42
      0
      In practice, 90% of all battles ended in the visual range.
  • El Chuvachino
    El Chuvachino 20 July 2021 21: 10
    +6
    Interestingly, this thread is read in Rostec or in Sukhoi? According to the presentation, the plane is full of it. What kind of squalor is this? This machine does not stand up to criticism - yes, the Mig 35 will tear it like a hot water bottle. In a real maneuverable battle. All the same, 2 engines are two engines. The new plane is a waste of money. And by the way, taxpayer money.


    Have you tried to offer your candidacy to the UAC? An advisor?
    1. Serge_
      Serge_ 20 July 2021 21: 16
      -19%
      No, I haven't tried it. If there are normal thinking people in Rostec, then they will draw conclusions and this plane will remain only in the form of a layout and a presentation of new technologies.
      1. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 20 July 2021 21: 22
        +6
        What are you losing opportunities, tell them how to build planes.
        1. Serge_
          Serge_ 20 July 2021 21: 48
          -16%
          You can also hang a metal pipe with jet engines, like Musk's. And with fanfare to tell that a single-engine design is better than a twin-engine one. I am personally a supporter of aircraft with two engines, since this machine will have higher survivability, as well as performance characteristics such as speed and maneuverability. An exception is the YAK 141 single-engine vertical takeoff vehicle.
          1. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 20 July 2021 21: 52
            +4
            You write false theses and repeat well-known mantras, I also like the Su-27, but the world and the possibilities of technology are changing.
            1. Serge_
              Serge_ 20 July 2021 22: 08
              -11%
              No, you are wrong. Stealth performance is not a panacea for everything. How do you know what technologies a potential adversary will have in the future? Starting from advanced weapons systems and ending with the latest radars that will see all stealth aircraft at a glance. In general, going into stealth and at the same time deliberately destroying the maneuverable characteristics of the aircraft is stupidity and shortsightedness.
              1. Momento
                Momento 20 July 2021 22: 45
                0
                stealth is an advantage. one of the other possible. at the moment significant. The Chinese seem to be promising a new generation of afar (400 km versus F-22), but we have to see what else happens there. then the balance may change.
          2. Sined
            Sined 20 July 2021 22: 05
            +1
            Believe it or not, almost any launch vehicle, be it Soyuz or Atlas, is a tube with jet engines.
            1. Serge_
              Serge_ 20 July 2021 22: 18
              0
              Pipe Mask. The most real metal pipe with jet engines.

              1. Sined
                Sined 20 July 2021 23: 22
                -3
                Starship Mk1? I thought you'd show SN15, or on the edge of SN8. A cryo-test was carried out on the Mk1, which was the beginning of tests of the Starship series prototypes. And this means that it was not just a pipe with engines, but that it was a full-fledged tank, although it did not cope with the test, but that is what it is. The last test of the Starship series was carried out by SN15 which took off to an altitude of 10 km, and is already under construction SN20 (Ship20) whose flight will already be suborbital.
                1. Serge_
                  Serge_ 21 July 2021 00: 20
                  -3
                  For a visual illustration, I showed that now the mask has. It is a ship with a minimalistic design in the form of a metal pipe. Our space technology will be more complicated. By the way, our rocket with the Science module is already launching to the ISS today, do not miss it.
                  1. Sined
                    Sined 21 July 2021 00: 33
                    0
                    As for Science, such an event is certainly difficult to miss. And regarding what Musk now has, Musk also has a Falcon 9 launch vehicle, which this year is the leader in the number of launches, the most high-torque launch vehicle in the world, the largest satellite network and its own ship for delivering people to the ISS. But if you are only talking about Starship, then the Super Heavy prototype is already on tests, which has already performed a fire test. Do not underestimate Musk and say that he now only has a pipe with engines.
                    1. Serge_
                      Serge_ 21 July 2021 00: 38
                      -1
                      You will not argue that behind the mask is not private capital, but quite state capital. Nasa and the Advanced Technologies Agency, otherwise by this time, Musk would have gone down the drain long ago.
          3. URAL72
            URAL72 20 July 2021 23: 35
            +1
            The survivability of a twin-engine vehicle will be higher if MANPADS arrives. Everything else has enough charge to disassemble the B-52, an eight-engine.
        2. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 21 July 2021 09: 52
          0
          Quote: El Chuvachino
          What are you losing opportunities, tell them how to build planes.

          Can you tell us?
          No, you will not tell, because you do not understand this, But through the efforts of people like you, a wonderful site has almost been turned into a garbage dump from where all sane people run.
          Look carefully - at two hundred comments no one from real specialists. What does this mean? That they are bypassing such a "discussion" by the tenth way.
  • Cananecat
    Cananecat 20 July 2021 20: 13
    -14%
    He's not even flying yet ... abydna ... yes ...
  • Yurahip
    Yurahip 20 July 2021 20: 15
    -12%
    Dry, dry as a leaf!
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 20 July 2021 20: 19
    +8
    Well done! Clever girls!
  • Trickster
    Trickster 20 July 2021 20: 24
    -11%
    The MiG-35 can be buried like the company itself. Now officially.
    1. Sasha Minakov
      Sasha Minakov 20 July 2021 20: 26
      -9
      It is high time. She's been dead for 20 years already.
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 20 July 2021 20: 49
        +6
        Quote: Sasha Minakov
        It is high time. She's been dead for 20 years already.

        Dry interceptors of type 31miga do not have, and there is nothing to carry a dagger
    2. Grits
      Grits 21 July 2021 07: 09
      -1
      Quote: Trickster
      The MiG-35 can be buried like the company itself. Now officially.

      If they do not undertake the design of an interceptor to replace the MiG-31, then most likely .... alas ...
  • Xlor
    Xlor 20 July 2021 20: 26
    +6
    Quote: Seryoga64
    Well, boast that you have created besides the Hammer mortar

    Embroidery! wink
  • spirit
    spirit 20 July 2021 20: 27
    -8
    Double impression! (I will not say anything about the lagging broadcast)
    What noted:
    1) Tz is not yet available, but the designers claim that everything is modular, we will adapt to everyone (even a fighter, even a bomber, even a field to dig) how is it in general? The Americans broke their whole head under 3 modifications of f35, how to cram all this into one plane. But here everything is elegant and simple what
    2) the developers have already managed to compare with the same f35
    and it turns out that it surpasses it in all parameters, even in EPR
    and this is, as it was said before, without TK
    Amusingly No.
    1. Hog
      Hog 20 July 2021 20: 41
      +7
      1) The aircraft was created with an emphasis on export (and the possibility that ours will buy), so whose technical specification should it be?
      2) The Americans had problems with the F-35B due to its complexity of the VTOL aircraft after all.
    2. ikrut
      ikrut 20 July 2021 20: 47
      +7
      What "TK" is not there? :)))) Do you generally imagine the stages and sequence of design and creation of products in mechanical engineering? (from a meat grinder to an airplane). There are 8 of them. And TK is only the second stage. Here is a ready-made prototype or even a layout. Those. the TK stage has been passed a long time ago. Locksmith-intellectual? :))) "- How long have we survived," Polesov said ironically, "yesterday the whole city
      ran around, dice three-eighths of an inch could not get. No. Not! A tram
      are going to let them in! .. "(" 12 chairs ").
      1. spirit
        spirit 20 July 2021 21: 02
        -12%
        Well, yes) I can imagine how you would, at this second stage, insert into the prototype, say, a cannon from the A-10) or long-range missiles in the inner compartment! The Ministry of Defense or a foreign customer will just have to dance around the finished gliderdrinks
        1. ikrut
          ikrut 20 July 2021 21: 04
          +4
          No more questions. Tip: do not write about what you have no idea about.
          1. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 20 July 2021 21: 12
            +5
            Your advice good , yes, half of the commentators would be here what
      2. bk316
        bk316 20 July 2021 22: 51
        +4
        There are 8 of them.

        Yeah, that's it.
        Finally, an understanding person came in. good
        It seems that 90% of commentators have not even finished high school.
        But all write and write and write, laughing
    3. alexmach
      alexmach 20 July 2021 20: 56
      +7
      Tz not yet

      And where does this ingenious conclusion come from? Could an airplane have any specific appearance at all without TK? What nonsense.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 20 July 2021 21: 18
        +3
        Quote: alexmach
        Tz not yet

        And where does this ingenious conclusion come from? Could an airplane have any specific appearance at all without TK? What nonsense.

        Maybe he meant a TZ-22 type tanker? laughing He just did not fit into the pavilion.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 20 July 2021 21: 59
          +4
          Hell, it's really not very good with tankers ...
      2. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 21 July 2021 11: 58
        0
        The question is not whether there is a TK or not, but who issued it. The aircraft was created on the initiative of the Sukhoi Design Bureau. They prescribed TK for him. It would be another matter if the terms of reference were issued by the Ministry of Defense.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 21 July 2021 12: 36
          0
          The aircraft was created on the initiative of the Sukhoi Design Bureau

          Is that for sure? Here they talked about the UAE. Well, maybe the profile design bureau is still capable of writing a sensible TK ...
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 21 July 2021 13: 25
            0
            Can write a sensible assignment. But the military always has its own thoughts on what they need. They need a certain tool to solve certain problems. And the task is given for the manufacture of this instrument.
  • Prjanik
    Prjanik 20 July 2021 20: 42
    +10
    Of course, I assumed that we were going to take a bite of the LMPI market pie, but then they exceeded my expectations) Well done) And unification with the Su-57 will have a wonderful effect on the cost and volume of their production
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 20 July 2021 20: 55
    -1
    "New. Easy. Sukhoi" Dry? Something reminded me of that! "Dry as a leaf!" ...
    1. Bez 310
      Bez 310 20 July 2021 21: 16
      -13%
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      "Dry as a leaf!"

      Bravo!
  • modius
    modius 20 July 2021 20: 56
    +2
    Short take off and landing ... perhaps a candidate for a deck plane? How many lighter planes needed for Kuznetsov? yes I see a potential here.
    1. vadson
      vadson 20 July 2021 22: 10
      +2
      I will tell you differently, this is an aircraft for war, for combat operations, when you need to land on an unprepared airfield, and take off from a poorly prepared surface. look at its chassis. a lot will be clear. great endurance is laid down.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 20 July 2021 22: 58
        -1
        Quote: vadson
        I will tell you differently, this is an aircraft for war ...

        One does not interfere with the other! And for unpaved airfields, and for aircraft carriers ...
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 20 July 2021 22: 50
      -1
      Quote: modius
      Short take off and landing ... perhaps a candidate for a deck plane?

      Perhaps it will be so ...
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 20 July 2021 21: 08
    +2
    Aircraft cannons can be located in the inner containers.

    Already interesting. "Holmes, damn it, HOW ?!" Yes, and in one photo in the nose on the right, something very similar to an air cannon could be seen - why does the fighter need another one?
    1. spirit
      spirit 20 July 2021 21: 13
      -3
      They also explained there) so that the missiles are not spent on ground targets, how the IL-2 attack aircraft will go wassat
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 20 July 2021 21: 17
        +2
        If today was Friday, or I would bruise every day, like Poroshenko, I could believe ... But today is Tuesday wink
    2. ikrut
      ikrut 20 July 2021 21: 26
      +4
      How? Probably what upward :))) (Joke). In general, an aviation container for a cannon is a common thing. It is quite possible that this option for this aircraft has a place to be, as one of the options for combat completing. You need a cannon on a mission - a container is placed and the cannon can be used in close combat, when the issues of invisibility are no longer relevant (for example, a retractable container, as an option). For other mission options, instead of the container, a rocket or add-on is placed. fuel tank. Well, this is the commentator's imagination. In my opinion, this is a normal solution for expanding the beam capabilities of an aircraft. You don't always need to carry a gun with you, I think.
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  • MrFox
    MrFox 20 July 2021 21: 41
    +2
    If there is a presentation, there must be what is being presented. Can anyone tell if he flies or not?
    1. t-12
      t-12 20 July 2021 22: 00
      +2
      It is written the same: the first flight in 2023.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 20 July 2021 23: 48
        -2
        Quote: t-12
        It is written the same: the first flight in 2023

        Remind me, please, which of the "lacking analogs" was handed over at the time, without the already familiar, unfortunately, "time shift to the right"? I don’t remember such a technique in the last 30 years.
        1. t-12
          t-12 21 July 2021 00: 02
          +5
          Well, the bridge is a couple of months ahead of schedule. The Belarusian nuclear power plant was built more or less on time.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 21 July 2021 10: 01
            +1
            Quote: t-12
            Well, the bridge is a couple of months ahead of schedule. The Belarusian nuclear power plant was built more or less on time.

            Here is something that is poor with examples, where something was done on time.
        2. bang
          bang 22 July 2021 13: 35
          0
          Remind me, please, which of the "lacking analogs" was handed over at the time, without the already familiar, unfortunately, "time shift to the right"? I don’t remember such a technique in the last 30 years.

          The more complicated the technique, the more difficult it is to foresee everything.
          Can you give examples of Western samples being delivered on time?
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 22 July 2021 15: 36
            0
            Quote: bang-bong
            The more complicated the technique, the more difficult it is to foresee everything.
            Can you give examples of Western samples being delivered on time?

            I can give you a deadline for the delivery of Soviet samples. I don't follow Western samples very much.
  • Spiridonovich2
    Spiridonovich2 20 July 2021 21: 53
    -9
    The most interesting thing in this joyful news, what materials is the layout made of? Why hasn't the cartoon been filmed yet? After all, there are no analogues in the world and there never will be. Do we have a museum where models of the most advanced developments are collected? If not, then it is necessary to create and store there models of the destroyer Leader, the aircraft carrier Shtorm, the Armata tank, the SU-57 aircraft, the Vostochny cosmodrome, and much more ..
    1. Alber alber
      Alber alber 20 July 2021 22: 41
      +10
      Let's talk about cartoons. Apparently, you would be happy to shove the entire arsenal that was presented in them into your desired museum, but the inconsistency came out, everything shown flies to itself and even new heroes appear. But so that you do not get upset, I suggest that you fantasize for yourself a similar museum for the United States and others, from soybeans to a flying laser, a zumvolt and other railguns, this is where the scope of scope for you, especially you don't have to invent it, has written off a lot of the US defense industry after successful development dough from the budget
    2. sevryuk
      sevryuk 20 July 2021 22: 49
      +2
      Why not? Mosin rifle, IL-2, AK, T-34, Mig-21 ...
    3. digitalcn75
      digitalcn75 20 July 2021 22: 54
      -10%
      There is still a lot of everything you can exhibit: Warrior, all sorts of colored laser beams, Pacedon, Boomerang, Kuzyu ..
    4. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 20 July 2021 23: 51
      -5
      Quote: Spiridonovich2
      If not, then you need to create and store there models of the destroyer Leader, the aircraft carrier Shtorm, the Armata tank, the SU-57 aircraft, the Vostochny cosmodrome, and much more ..

      It is better to keep stuffed animals of those characters in this museum, due to whose fault the models do not turn into working products.
  • czes
    czes 20 July 2021 21: 58
    0
    "The AFAR radar allows The Checkmate to attack up to 6 targets simultaneously, even when jammed. It is capable of detecting and destroying 5th generation aircraft at close and long range." - then maybe it's better to present a radar with AFAR?
  • Vitamin
    Vitamin 20 July 2021 22: 01
    -4
    And yet it does not fly ...
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    1. bk316
      bk316 20 July 2021 23: 02
      +1
      I waited a week for a breakthrough.

      I don’t understand that you have a hard time with aviation.
      But you know how to read (after all, it was immediately written "a full-size layout will be presented"), or just write? what
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 21 July 2021 12: 05
        0
        At the presentation, it was said that this particular sample will rise into the air. It's not a mock-up, it's just used for ground testing first.
  • Operator
    Operator 20 July 2021 22: 10
    +5
    How loudly n @ kans are bursting among Russophobes bully
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    2. Vasya_20
      Vasya_20 21 July 2021 03: 32
      +1
      Well, if they burst so loudly, then this car is worth it and will be worthy! Otherwise, all these illiterate clever people would not have flocked here all together, like flies on fresh shit, and would not have yelled like that at the top of their lungs, working off their grants according to the manuals of their puppeteers and our potential "partners"! lol
      1. MrFox
        MrFox 21 July 2021 08: 12
        0
        Zampolit detective
  • Siegfried
    Siegfried 20 July 2021 22: 27
    -2
    for the presentation of the concept of excessive pathos ... the impression was that they created SOMETHING, so advanced that the pilots of the F-22 began to leave en masse and orders for this miracle are accepted only by a select few. I'm afraid that this is how this presentation will be illuminated all over the world ... only orders are made not according to cartoons, but according to real technologies, which will actually be checked and let's hope that the name corresponds to the product
  • Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 20 July 2021 22: 42
    -5
    Another "unparalleled" product, and will have to fight on the T-72 and MiG-29.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 20 July 2021 23: 38
      +2
      There are much more dryers of different types in the VKS than the MiG-29.
      1. bk316
        bk316 20 July 2021 23: 43
        +2
        There are very few of those first 29 unmodernized ones left.
        1. Alecsandr
          Alecsandr 25 July 2021 16: 49
          0
          I completely agree with you But this is me, figuratively
    2. Alecsandr
      Alecsandr 21 July 2021 08: 57
      0
      And who is so actively minus. Everyone hopes for the "seven Stalinist blows" But a bitter truth is better than a sweet lie. The war in Syria is not yet an indicator of military superiority. This site was created for comprehension and conclusions on the combat effectiveness of our and other armies.
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  • sevryuk
    sevryuk 20 July 2021 22: 46
    +1
    Quote: For example
    Apparently they want to make a modern MiG 21

    Then you need to name the Su-21. And yes, the MiG-35 should not be discounted - even under Stalin there was competition from design bureaus.
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 20 July 2021 22: 56
    -6
    it is already clear that his stealth is very conditional
    1. Esaul
      Esaul 21 July 2021 09: 32
      0
      Did you calculate this on your supercomputer?
      1. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 21 July 2021 16: 42
        -1
        any technically literate person can see this, but you, apparently, do not belong to them
        1. Esaul
          Esaul 22 July 2021 09: 03
          0
          So any technically competent person is guided primarily by measurements, mathematical calculations and experiments, and not "since it seems to me and my grandmother, that's why it is."
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 20 July 2021 23: 14
    -4
    PR go. But it's true, not true ... people are eating
  • Suomynona
    Suomynona 20 July 2021 23: 25
    -3
    I can't believe that the price will be like this. It's like with a grant - it was promised for 207 thousand low-cost, but in fact it cost much more
  • Wolf
    Wolf 20 July 2021 23: 37
    +5
    PLANE FOR TODAY WORLD TOP IN ITS CLASS !!!
    It exceeds F35 far!
    The projected power is not advanced, with the I30 engine it will be No1 without competition on the world market.
    It can easily overshadow the glory of the MiG21.
    Sukhoi and his Tim BIG PLUS, SO THE LADIES DO BUSINESS, MEN BRAVO !!!
    And without the necessary haste in the implementation of the project !!!
    One more time BRAVO !!!
    P.S. in the west they have already called it the sound of Hell and for the air intake wink
  • Compasure
    Compasure 20 July 2021 23: 40
    +7
    You read the comments and just pleases how Svidomo flattens)))
    1. Vasya_20
      Vasya_20 21 July 2021 03: 42
      +3
      If it flattens, then it will be a good plane and a real competitor in the world market - it is not for nothing that they all got so excited while working out their silver coins according to the manuals of their puppeteers! smile
      "So good boots - we must take them!" (from) good
  • Nekarmadlen
    Nekarmadlen 21 July 2021 02: 05
    +2
    Oh, in vain Rostec decided to beat the chess theme ..) I remember, at the end of the 20s of the last century, one grandmaster in the chess club in Vasyuki talked about unprecedented prospects ...))) And here 2 grandmasters from aviation show a model of an aircraft, with a model of an engine, with models radar, avionics and missile models and they say that in a few years all this will work and will be in unprecedented demand))) About New Vasyuki and how it all ended, they did not forget ..)) There is no shah, but there is a lot of mate ..) )) Recently, the British showed the layout of Tempest and probably also talked about unprecedented characteristics))) However, let's hope for the best ...
    1. vinschu
      vinschu 21 July 2021 07: 53
      0
      Tatiana bravo!
    2. iSnowCat
      iSnowCat 21 July 2021 09: 17
      0
      Why layout then? At the presentation, Slyusar says that this is a working sample and that he will take part in the tests. Or have you not watched the presentation and are just retyping what our "non-brothers" write?
      1. Nekarmadlen
        Nekarmadlen 21 July 2021 22: 27
        0
        At the presentation, Slyusar says that this is a working sample and that it will be he who will take part in the tests.
        ... Do you really believe that this is a valid model)? However, a presentation is such a show, you can tell anything))) With a favorable impression on potential customers, at the air show they will roughly voice their wishes, can conclude any agreements of intent, and Rostec can then roughly calculate the volume of transactions, draw up some kind of plan, request money from the budget, and then start developing ...)) A completely capitalist approach))) If in 8-10 years the plane will fly into series, this is an optimistic forecast ..
  • Titus_2
    Titus_2 21 July 2021 02: 46
    +1
    Quote: Serge_
    Interestingly, this thread is read in Rostec or in Sukhoi? According to the presentation, the plane is full of it. What kind of squalor is this? This machine does not stand up to criticism - yes, the Mig 35 will tear it like a hot water bottle. In a real maneuverable battle. All the same, 2 engines are two engines. The new plane is a waste of money. And by the way, taxpayer money.

    Are you a specialist and have you designed something?
  • syndicalist
    syndicalist 21 July 2021 08: 06
    -1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Well, where will I break through now? Does Russia need a thousand fighters a year at the moment? Is the war already underway? I did not hear...

    Well, if you go to war with Syria-Libya, then you really don't need it anymore. Let the Chinese-Americans rivet by the hundreds - a dozen is enough for us.
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 21 July 2021 20: 58
      +1
      ten is enough for us.

      Where does a dozen come from

      How many combatant Su-57s were built in 15 years. One or two?
  • Sedoy
    Sedoy 21 July 2021 13: 12
    0
    feeding the next breakfast ...
  • KOJIXO3HuK
    KOJIXO3HuK 21 July 2021 15: 01
    0
    We live in a time when the question "what happened?" not interesting. It is financially beneficial to know "what will happen."
    We, the population of the USSR, have been asking and waiting since the end of the 80s "when will our people learn to do as they have." So, what didn't you like about the presentation ?!
  • DiKoff
    DiKoff 21 July 2021 18: 17
    0
    Well, what are the new PRINCIPLES? Concept, with a stretch, yes. Another Potemkin village!
  • Ruslan Sledkov
    Ruslan Sledkov 21 July 2021 21: 42
    0
    The funeral of the MIG Bureau took place. There is no one to lobby for the MIL. I am sure that the MIG35, developed on drawing boards, is an order of magnitude better than the SU75, developed in digital
  • Ruslan Sledkov
    Ruslan Sledkov 21 July 2021 21: 51
    0
    The price of 30 lam is a bit too much. Almost like SU30. It is necessary to reduce the cost when entering the series