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Ukrainian bloggers showed footage from the bankrupt Black Sea shipyard and the section of the unfinished corvette "Vladimir the Great"

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Ukrainian bloggers showed footage from the bankrupt Black Sea shipyard and the section of the unfinished corvette "Vladimir the Great"

Photos from the declared bankrupt Black Sea Shipyard (ChSZ) are published on social networks in Ukraine. This enterprise has the richest history... Since 1897, it has produced hundreds of products, including ships and ocean-going ships. The enterprise survived a revolution, two world wars, even the crisis of the 1990s, but was unable to cope with the "post-Maidan development" of Ukraine.


The workshops of the deserted ChSZ are being demonstrated, in which you can see what Ukrainian shipbuilders have been able to build in 10 years since the laying of the Vladimir the Great corvette. Photos are published by Ukrainian blogger Denis Kazansky, who, as he himself reports, received them from employees (now - former) of a bankrupt shipbuilding enterprise in Nikolaev. The photographs indicate that no work on the construction of a corvette for the Ukrainian Navy has been carried out for at least 4 recent years.

The fact is that the fragments of the corvette of the project 58250 "Vladimir the Great" remained the same that were demonstrated back in 2016. These are several sections, including the bow and stern.


Corvette Project 58250

To date, it is known that ChSZ has returned the design documentation for the corvette "Vladimir the Great" to the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense. Its construction now raises more and more questions. The main question is whether the Ukrainian military department is going to transfer this documentation for the completion of the ship to any other enterprise?



Ukrainian military experts believe that the likelihood of completing the corvette is extremely small. Instead, the Ukrainian Navy could focus on the British proposal to "provide Ukraine with a frigate." It may be one of those warships that are being withdrawn from the British Royal fleet... However, there is an opinion that it is Britain that may receive an order from Ukraine for the completion of the "Vladimir the Great". How much it can cost and at what shipyard the work can be carried out is not yet clear.

Several photos of Ukrainian bloggers from the territory, workshops and workshops of the abandoned ChSZ:




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  1. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 20 July 2021 09: 22
    +26
    ***
    Harsh years go
    Fight for the freedom of the country!
    Others come for them
    They will be difficult too ...
    ***
    1. Ruslan Sulima
      Ruslan Sulima 20 July 2021 09: 26
      +13
      Singing again ...
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 20 July 2021 09: 51
        +8
        Other songs need to be sung, how much scrap metal is in the ChSZ workshops, there, in addition to sections of the corvette, you can hand over metal trusses and Soviet machines for loot.
        1. Ruslan Sulima
          Ruslan Sulima 20 July 2021 09: 55
          +5
          Well, everyone chooses his own repertoire ... There is still a lot of unwritten, unwritten equipment. It remains to wait for the Indian style dances
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 20 July 2021 10: 32
          +12
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          how much scrap metal is in the shops of the ChSZ, there, in addition to sections of the corvette, you can hand over metal trusses and Soviet machines for loot.

          By 2014, the plant had already been derbanized, but after the arrival of Pete Chupachups, everything went like an adult there, it’s surprising that something remained. In that 2014, I was in the port of Nikolaev, and it was necessary to sort out the turbine, so there were no specialists at three shipyards, they found somewhere in Odessa.
          Shipbuilding in Ukraine has died, and the West will not allow someone to get into their monopoly, even all the shipyards in the GDR were destroyed, in Poland, too, practically ship repair remained, and then what third world country wants to engage in shipbuilding. One country from the former Soviet bloc got the go-ahead to build ships, Romania, but it came at a cost.
          Now Ukraine is not even allowed to do ship repairs.
          1. lucul
            lucul 20 July 2021 10: 45
            +11
            Died shipbuilding in Ukraine

            They probably fully believed that the "invisible hand of the market", as the liberals shouted to us, would raise their shipbuilding to the world level, and they would become one of the leading shipbuilders? ))))
            It's like during a battle, letting the course of the battle take its course, they say, everything will resolve itself))
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 20 July 2021 12: 13
              +7
              Quote: lucul
              They probably fully believed that the "invisible hand of the market", as the liberals shouted to us, would raise their shipbuilding to the world level, and they would become one of the leading shipbuilders?

              It is not in vain that capitalism extended the "invisible hand of the market" to Ukraine, they knew (or rather long ago calculated) that they love to take Svidomye, beautifully presented words for reality. And the "invisible hand" invisibly breaks the state that has come to hand, and destinies, and people, and it breaks so much that after it it is already impossible to restore. There is only one way out - slavery.
          2. Seryoga64
            Seryoga64 20 July 2021 10: 48
            +8
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Now Ukraine is not even allowed to do ship repairs

            And what should they repair? There is no merchant fleet of its own. The military is practically the same. Katra can repair "Petit Poroshenko's Forge". Not without marriage, of course.
            Here's a deep upgrade they can do laughing

            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 20 July 2021 14: 52
              +2
              Quote: Seryoga64
              And what should they repair? There is no merchant fleet of its own. The military is practically the same.

              Yes, "private traders" come in the river-mountain, and the Turks come, but mainly for "kerosene repair". Nobody puts decent firms and large ships for repair in Ukraine.
              1. Serg koma
                Serg koma 20 July 2021 18: 02
                0
                The main question is whether the Ukrainian military department is going to transfer this documentation for the completion of the ship to some other enterprise?

                "sell this documentation"- that's probably more correct. The question is - who needs this" corvette "? The military department is probably in a stupor.

                I do not know who the author (quotes) is, but you can't say more precisely about the defense capabilities of Russia and countries from the USSR
                "The unknown and invisible commander, who managed to do what neither Napoleon nor Hitler could do, brilliantly and without shots corrupted the most powerful armed forces in the world, introducing the infection of entrepreneurship, money-grubbing and personal enrichment in them by any means."
      2. Seryoga64
        Seryoga64 20 July 2021 10: 40
        +2
        Quote: Ruslan Sulima
        Singing again ...

        But they seem to have stopped jumping
        1. Alexander I
          Alexander I 20 July 2021 12: 11
          +3
          There is no more strength to jump
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 20 July 2021 10: 41
        +6
        Quote: Ruslan Sulima
        Singing again ...

        And they drink. From the plant, only the bottles of "cheerges" remained on the tables.
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    3. komandir8
      komandir8 20 July 2021 18: 53
      0
      Terrible thunderstorms raced
      Victory came all round.
      Wipe away harsh tears
      A sleeve pierced in battles ... am
  2. Sonmaster
    Sonmaster 20 July 2021 09: 26
    +24
    It's sad to see how, under the "strict guidance of the Banderlog in power," they lost everything they could ... for "independence", but in fact for the fucking witch cookies - Nulland and Co.
    Sremota.
    1. Erik
      Erik 20 July 2021 10: 03
      -22%
      Have you been to Russia for a long time? :) And then the former STZ has already been dismantled a long time ago! But in the place of ZIL there will be developers (a word that is disgusting) to swagger! And so you can go on for a long time ...
      1. Sonmaster
        Sonmaster 20 July 2021 10: 05
        +15
        I live in Russia.
        As will be an article about the closure of enterprises in Russia, I will listen to you and sympathize with you.
        1. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 20 July 2021 10: 53
          -9
          why wait for an article? Here is a channel dedicated to this topic. I recommend to read hi
          https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAlDtJt5Vjz31nLGohBgCdg
      2. sifgame
        sifgame 20 July 2021 10: 23
        +13
        Yes, it was with us in the 90s. But there is one difference, we have it over and now they are building new factories, airplanes, steamers). And in Ukraine, this continues to this day, although it is the 20s. And the next will be, as sad as it is Antonov.
      3. Seryoga64
        Seryoga64 20 July 2021 10: 51
        +13
        Quote: Erik
        But in the place of ZIL there will be developers (a word that is disgusting) to swagger

        So ZIL was buried long ago. Under Yeltsin. But we are building something new, you are not
      4. Shiden
        Shiden 20 July 2021 12: 50
        -12%
        Do not interfere with the patriots to see how everything is going badly with the neighbors, everything is being stolen and generally decomposed, otherwise the veil from the eyes will fall off a brain rupture may happen.
      5. Kisa
        Kisa 20 July 2021 19: 21
        -4
        Quote: Erik
        Have you been to Russia for a long time ?:

        Ukraine was invented on purpose. at its level, the buried PSRZ NSRZ Dalzavod does not look so nightmarish .... the only positive thing here for patriots is to compare with the 90s chaos and post-Maidan ... why not compare it with the Croatian Rijeka Split with the Korean Hyundai and STX?
    2. tatarin1972
      tatarin1972 20 July 2021 10: 23
      +4
      There, even before the Banderlog, nothing was done, as soon as the forelocks went to "single voyage" so everything at once ...
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 20 July 2021 09: 26
    +6
    The enterprise survived a revolution, two world wars, even the crisis of the 1990s, but was unable to cope with the "post-Maidan development" of Ukraine.
    ... It is significant. Boom to watch the continuation of the "banquet".
  4. cniza
    cniza 20 July 2021 09: 28
    +7
    How much it can cost and at what shipyard the work can be carried out is not yet clear.


    If only in space, the price will be the same ...
    1. URAL72
      URAL72 20 July 2021 09: 52
      +8
      Nobody will finish building this corvette. We need a series, and they are building corvettes in Turkey and boats in the UK for the last penny and even on credit, and they also buy up decommissioned scrap metal. This makes me happy, because at sea they can never pose a serious threat, and the money goes to the fleet, instead of the Air Force and Air Defense.
      1. Andrey1966
        Andrey1966 20 July 2021 10: 02
        +4
        So "completion" is a feeder. SO MUCH "saw / saw" under this case is possible.
      2. Seryoga64
        Seryoga64 20 July 2021 10: 53
        +2
        Quote: URAL72
        and the money goes to the fleet,

        I would put the words "fleet", "air force", "air defense" in quotes
        1. URAL72
          URAL72 20 July 2021 11: 01
          -1
          There are more than a hundred countries in the world that have a navy fleet, but do not even have missile weapons on board their ships and boats, and if non-brothers build corvettes, missile boats, and receive minesweepers, they will not have the last fleet even in Europe, not to mention the world.
          1. Seryoga64
            Seryoga64 20 July 2021 11: 07
            +2
            The key word here is "if". Do you believe they can revive the dead Air Force?
            Killed air defense?
            1. URAL72
              URAL72 20 July 2021 11: 19
              +3
              Their air defense is still at the level, we must remember the lessons of Georgia. They are quite successful in repairing and even slightly modernizing Buk, S-300V, etc. In radar, they have serious groundwork from the Soviet era, and the work is going very poorly. They themselves will not pull, but the states are already allocating military aid to them in 300 million greens, and tomorrow? The stronger Russia becomes, the more the West's opposition intensifies. Aid will increase, and its spending is already over $ 6,5 billion. Do not underestimate the enemy - it will end badly - remember Georgia!
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 20 July 2021 11: 13
            +4
            Quote: URAL72
            if they build corvettes, missile boats

            ... aircraft carriers, battleships, the death star ... Inflatable boats are begging their owners.
  5. knn54
    knn54 20 July 2021 09: 28
    +5
    Goodbye corvette.
    1. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 20 July 2021 10: 54
      +1
      Quote: knn54
      Goodbye corvette.

      You mean the germ of a corvette?
  6. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 20 July 2021 09: 29
    +14
    On the outskirts of a great empire ... no words ...
    Better - pig breeding.
  7. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 20 July 2021 09: 30
    +8
    Fuck all these factories! Breaking down everything like the monuments to Ilyich!
    Much sweeter for a real ukro-Indian admonition that they are now independent, and if they put on a selyak embroidered shirt, then they are also guides! fool
    1. Erik
      Erik 20 July 2021 10: 03
      -28%
      And in the Russian Federation the monuments to Ilyich are not being broken yet? :) Strange!
      1. Evil troll
        Evil troll 20 July 2021 10: 09
        +8
        Should you?
        1. Erik
          Erik 20 July 2021 10: 10
          -25%
          Naturally, you have to be an idiot so as not to see from the rhetoric of talking heads that everything is going towards this!
          1. Evil troll
            Evil troll 20 July 2021 10: 12
            +8
            Very reasoned, you will not say anything.
            1. Erik
              Erik 20 July 2021 10: 35
              -16%
              And I am quite - an argument! Actually, I didn't see any arguments from you either!
              1. Evil troll
                Evil troll 20 July 2021 11: 15
                +6
                And I didn’t prove anything.
                Here's a statement for you with a great argument:
                The moon is made of cheese, you have to be an idiot not to see this!
          2. Machete
            Machete 20 July 2021 10: 37
            +4
            They were broken after the 91st.
            Not for long. Then they dropped the case.
            For 20 years they have stood as they were. No one has any thoughts to endure them anymore.
            We have a five-story building on the main square.
      2. serg.shishkov2015
        serg.shishkov2015 20 July 2021 10: 29
        +4
        there is a monument on Lenin Square! On the building of the city administration - the coat of arms of the RSFSR, the monument to Maxim Gorky was removed - the pedestal is being repaired
      3. Seryoga64
        Seryoga64 20 July 2021 11: 01
        +8
        Don't wait
      4. Piramidon
        Piramidon 20 July 2021 11: 24
        +7
        Quote: Erik
        And in the Russian Federation the monuments to Ilyich are not being broken yet? :) Strange!

        There are several monuments in our city and they feel fine. But you can dream.



        1. Kushka
          Kushka 20 July 2021 12: 05
          -5
          And with the cap where?
          Anecdote:
          THE USSR. A man arrived in Tbilisi at his own fret.
          Well, I decided my business, went in for a bite to eat.
          It turns out, but there is no fret. I ran to the right, to the left,
          finally saw the traffic controller. The one is busy, waves it off,
          finally, he sees that they will not lag behind - well, what happened to you ?!
          The guy explains - "sit down the car." The man got into the car
          The traffic police are going, going, the man will not understand where. Finally arrived-
          "go out and smatras". The man got out - why watch something?
          And there is a monument to Lenin. "Vidysh is the leader of the world
          proletary, but he holds the CAP IN HAND! And you?!
          Why did you leave your cars ?! Now Gogi is looking for something?
  8. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 20 July 2021 09: 31
    -20%
    I don't want to believe that the famous plant will end its history like this, like ZIL, LAZ, Ikarus, AZLK and many others ...
    But I hope that like the phoenix, the plant will rise. I think after the war he was in a more deplorable state.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 20 July 2021 09: 42
      +11
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      But I hope that like the phoenix, the plant will rise. I think after the war he was in a more deplorable state.

      In the USSR after the war and in Ukraine today, individuals of "somewhat different" scales are in power - this is the whole problem for both the plant and for Ukraine itself
    2. Peak
      Peak 20 July 2021 09: 45
      +12
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      But I hope that like the phoenix, the plant will rise.

      Perhaps it will be reborn, but not in this Ukraine.

      ZIL, AZLK ... Yes, sad losses, but unlike Ukraine, we have KAMAZ, GAZ, UAZ, Mias ("Ural") and we somehow stopped the stagnation.

      And Ukraine ... She does not need any war, although she was invented in order to cover her own theft and brainlessness with the alleged damage from her.
      1. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 20 July 2021 10: 09
        -4
        Quote: PiK
        and we somehow stopped stagnation.

        What is this? This is when all sorts of Chubais grandmothers raked in stacks? repeat
        I think that they are still raking it. Not in haystacks, of course, but the sheaves definitely knit! yes
    3. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 20 July 2021 09: 46
      +8
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I don't want to believe that the famous plant will end its history like this, like ZIL, LAZ, Ikarus, AZLK and many others ...

      ZIL and AZLK fucking did not give up in the city, which is already suffocating from the exhaust of millions of cars.
      For this, there are other places where you can deploy production.
      By the way, more than half of the foreign cars sold in Russian car dealerships are assembled in Russia. Trucks are almost completely covered by KAMAZ. Cars .. even those that make VAZ still have to manage to sell, against the background of the same Koreans who are collected in the CIS.
      With what side you dragged ICARUS here, I don’t do it at all. With LAZ-m everything is clear, but in Likino to this day they collect buses and do not worry.
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      But I hope that like the phoenix, the plant will rise. I think after the war he was in a more deplorable state.

      Will rise when the Russians come. Skakuasam it unnecessarily
      1. Aleksandr97
        Aleksandr97 20 July 2021 10: 40
        -1
        Much more important is not the division of market niches of domestic-foreign goods, but the fact that the ZIL-AZLK factories were THOUSANDS of jobs, locksmiths, designers - highly qualified workers and engineers, etc. !!!
        1. Erik
          Erik 20 July 2021 11: 05
          -18%
          And the person above is not aware that foreign cars are collected here exactly as long as it is possible to pay a beggarly salary to a worker. And just like that, the factories will move out, and before that, the staff will be cut down! But that's a completely different story! :)
          1. seregin-s1
            seregin-s1 20 July 2021 11: 27
            +7
            And you know that in addition to salaries, there are different types of metals, rubbers, polymers, electricity. And all this is at domestic prices.
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 20 July 2021 11: 30
            +12
            Quote: Erik
            And just like that, the factories will move out, and before that, the staff will be cut down!

            How do you want Russia to be like yours. You can't eat already. Better stop stealing your noise.
        2. Al_lexx
          Al_lexx 20 July 2021 20: 18
          +2
          Quote: Aleksandr97
          Much more important is not the division of market niches of domestic-foreign goods, but the fact that the ZIL-AZLK factories were THOUSANDS of jobs, locksmiths, designers - highly qualified workers and engineers, etc. !!!

          For those who have "the radio station works on an armored personnel carrier".
          I will repeat myself. Large industrial production, in a city with a population of almost 25 million people, fuck is not needed!
          So see?

          I am aware that jobs have been lost. Was not born yesterday, worked in the defense industry (A.S. Yakovlev Design Bureau), in the energy sector, in radio engineering. Incl. at MTZ "Rubin", which is now the shopping center "Gorbushka", as well as another Moscow television plant "Temp", where the office and studios of the TVC channel are now located. So what? Let's return coal to the capital's heating plants, otherwise we lost jobs at coal mills, warehouses, etc.
          Before you cry about lost jobs, turn on your head and think about the ecology of the city, where there is already nothing to breathe. And jobs can always be found in other sectors of the economy of such a metropolis. Whoever wanted it found it.
          1. fiberboard
            fiberboard 22 July 2021 10: 40
            -1
            And what are these 25 million people doing? There are no production facilities in Moscow, even the military academies were dispersed, in a fit of struggle for tidbits of land. Now Moscow is not engaged in anything except plundering the regions. All firms are registered in Moscow and pay taxes there. Regions pay taxes there, getting handouts back. Any indignation is interpreted as separatism. So it turns out that the whole country is feeding Moscow and the Caucasus.
            1. Al_lexx
              Al_lexx 22 July 2021 19: 36
              0
              Quote: fiberboard
              And what are these 25 million people doing?

              The question is in the air ...
              Where are you from and where, and what do you do?

              I will change it.
              I am not the mayor of the capital, and certainly not the president, to give an extremely reasoned answer. Although ... there are answers, but I don't think you are looking for them.
              Because...
              If you yourself do not have enough brains to answer your question, then you are just a fat troll who needs to be crushed with your heel. Or not a very smart person, who is bugging in every poke, for the sake of virtual stars, on this almost dying resource.
              1. fiberboard
                fiberboard 23 July 2021 12: 30
                0
                I am from Siberia, I fish and do this kind of farming. Maybe, as a former warrant officer, I really don't have a lot of brains, so I want to borrow them from you. I was in Moscow in 2019. Taxi drivers driving from the airport are Armenians, Central Asians and Caucasians trade, Ukrainians and Moldovans build. In general, it really is a kishlak. It's good that the hospital, where the Russian doctors lay, apparently so far. But somehow I heard a conversation between two fellow Kabardians. They were discussing a classmate, a doctor. After graduating from college, he was kicked out of the hospital in Nalchik for incompetence. He went to Moscow, and there his career flooded. I also knew several doctors of the Buryats, Tuvans, they also make a career in Moscow, because in Siberia they are immediately driven away. Well, I think there are enough Russians like that there. By the way, doctors and teachers in Moscow earn little money, and are forced to look for a part-time job.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 July 2021 12: 26
      +5
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      But I hope that like the phoenix, the plant will rise. I think after the war he was in a more deplorable state.

      Of course, I understand your wishes and your faith, so I don’t want to upset you.
      But after the Second World War, the factories were restored by the whole Union, by all the people, they worked tirelessly and almost free of charge, but the people of the whole country wanted to heal the wounds of the war.
      And now it’s a different time for other people, many of whom do not want to recover, but how to get a piece from the sale of factories, others want to be the West, the third is indifferent, the fourth is already retired. Ukraine alone will never get out either from the debt hole, or from the hole of destruction.
      I remember very well how these three Nikolaev factories worked hedgehog under Kuchma, and built ships for Russia, the turbine plant built turbines for Russia, and the factories and the city lived and lived well. Under Yushenko, everything began to decline, and abruptly. But already in 2016, I was just Nikolaev, and even more so I did not recognize his factories, everything looked as if a hurricane had passed, and after it only a desert remained.
    5. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 22 July 2021 01: 04
      +1
      Ikarus was something like Hungarian ... well, thanks to the AZLK cap, I killed it ... soon the autoframos will be closed
    6. Serg89
      Serg89 22 July 2021 10: 56
      +1
      Man, if you don't work out, then ...

      He lived in the Maryino area, before the construction of the metro there, the textile workers went to the metro, there was an AZLK, but there was no brand, but the plant was in place and a job there, and who needed a Muscovite - xs, when foreign cars poured in an order of magnitude higher. ZIL - I work on the territory of the plant, where 3 main offices of banks were built: Alfa Bank, MTS Bank, Raiffeisen Bank, three business clusters (1 IT, 2 medicine, 3 usual with hucksters). The TekhnoPark metro station was built. 3 residential complexes were built: know, zil art, dream tavers, launched an analogue of "Disney Land" on the other side. I xs what had to be done at the zil plant killed in 90, so that comparable in scale turnovers (count jobs) could be organized within the plant, looking at what the precious, non-bringing territories of Moscow were spent next to the third ring, which were the territory of the plant , when there are 3-4 analogs of these factories in the country, which did not have such needs for trucks.

      If there in Nikolaev they went the same way, well, at least they made huge resort clusters or something else, but they just slammed and did not give / will not give anything in return to the economy.
  9. prior
    prior 20 July 2021 09: 31
    +13
    In the photographs, this is not the Black Sea shipyard today - this is Ukraine today, its industry, its energy, its gas pipe.
  10. Coward
    Coward 20 July 2021 09: 32
    +3
    Was on it in 2009. I looked at the buildings of the BMRT project 1288. Even then it caused a very sad sight. But then on it, in the flow-positioning shop, at least somehow the work stirred.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 20 July 2021 11: 31
      +1
      Quote: Coward
      then on it, in the flow-positioning shop, at least somehow the work stirred.

      Like stove stoves riveted?
      1. Coward
        Coward 20 July 2021 12: 23
        +1
        No, the section was. As they said: "They are building a patrol ship for a foreign order."
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 20 July 2021 09: 40
    +2
    The one who pays calls the tune. Independence is a troublesome business. The owner decided to metal, hence to metal.
    When this mess will end, but where will people work? We are still unraveling perestroika and democracy in the American way.
    1. Azimuth
      Azimuth 20 July 2021 10: 09
      +3
      We survived in 1990, even the release was but 2020 became, 2030 will be torn apart that you cannot find iron with a metal detector. And the welder will tell his grandson how he made ships in this place.
  12. askort154
    askort154 20 July 2021 09: 42
    +6
    The enterprise survived a revolution, two world wars, even the crisis of the 1990s, but was unable to cope with the "post-Maidan development" of Ukraine.

    This enterprise is a mirror of modern Ukraine. This is just how Ukraine did not survive the 90s, having jumped out of the USSR. Her 90s are continuing now, in an accelerated version. This foundationless education is rapidly turning into the original "walk the field".
  13. t-12
    t-12 20 July 2021 09: 44
    0
    All collapsed factories look about the same:

  14. dimy44
    dimy44 20 July 2021 09: 52
    +6
    But there was a time when people didn’t go out like that, there was also gas, cooperation, incomes of the population comparable to those of Russians. What did you ... lacked, huh ???
  15. aszzz888
    aszzz888 20 July 2021 09: 58
    +2
    The company survived a revolution, two world wars, even the crisis of the 1990s, but could not cope with the "post-Maidan development" of Ukraine.
    Everything is natural. Unless they themselves deny it from the 404th.
  16. Stepan S
    Stepan S 20 July 2021 10: 09
    +4
    In social networks patriots with might and main accuse Russia of bankruptcy and the collapse of the plant. Who would doubt that they would say so. The main thesis is that Novinsky, who owned part of the plant in recent years, is a former citizen of Russia and it was he who, on Putin's instructions, bankrupted the plant.
    Well, the rest of the corvette is very doubtful that someone will undertake to finish building. To do this, it is necessary to take out large blocks from there to another shipyard. This is a whole special. loading and moving operation. Who remembers, Ukraine in Odessa could not lift a small tanker for many months, which was thrown onto the beach as a result of an accident. As a result, the vessel was raised by a Russian company.
    1. dimy44
      dimy44 20 July 2021 10: 18
      +3
      What kind of corvette is there, judging by the photo, the point of no return has been passed.
    2. Avior
      Avior 20 July 2021 11: 02
      0
      Finishing the corvette is a pointless task. Ukraine simply does not need it in this form.
      And they began to do it for the admirals to drive abroad for all sorts of international exercises.
  17. Erik
    Erik 20 July 2021 10: 11
    -24%
    Quote: Sonmaster
    I live in Russia.
    As will be an article about the closure of enterprises in Russia, I will listen to you and sympathize with you.

    You should sympathize with your children and grandchildren! :)
  18. Simon
    Simon 20 July 2021 10: 28
    +2
    Yes! A terrible "skiff" comes to the Ukrainian economy and looks like a long time, if not always. request
  19. Avior
    Avior 20 July 2021 10: 30
    0
    Each devastation has a name, surname and patronymic.
    In this case, it is Vadim Rudolfovich Malkhasyan, the owner of the enterprise.
    You have to get used to the fact that under capitalism the problems of a private enterprise are the problems of its owner.
    The owner, of course, is glad if the state will toss him money, only there is little sense from this if the owner does not pull to manage. And it has always been and will be.
    In Detroit, I remember, the main branch of the city's economy was bent ...
    1. Stepan S
      Stepan S 20 July 2021 11: 08
      +3
      Each devastation has a name, surname and patronymic.

      In this case, the surname could do little, since the chosen course of Ukraine did not contribute to shipbuilding in Ukraine. Well, this Vadim Malkhasyan (aka Novinsky) has not been the owner of the plant all these years. It is very significant that the only corvette, the state of Ukraine, was able to build over all these years. And there four presidents trampled on, and each promised something. Even Zelensky managed to make a promise.
      1. Avior
        Avior 20 July 2021 11: 13
        -3
        they did the right thing that they didn't build.
        an attempt was made to build a frigate called a corvette, at the price of a frigate, by the way, absolutely not necessary for the fleet.
        Only for ceremonial trips of admirals abroad
        Now the Turks are building the body of a normal corvette
        As for the plant, he was finally killed under Malkhasyan, who calls himself Novinsky.
        1. Stepan S
          Stepan S 20 July 2021 11: 14
          +2
          Now the Turks are building the body of a normal corvette
          There are some doubts that the body has already been laid. The words were not confirmed by anything. They said and said, and we know what the words of officials in Ukraine are worth.
          1. Avior
            Avior 20 July 2021 11: 16
            -4
            we'll see, we'll see.
            we know what the words of officials in Ukraine are worth.

            Is it only in Ukraine?: ((
            hi
  20. Glagol1
    Glagol1 20 July 2021 10: 41
    +1
    Everything, Gotovchenko. And in Kerch, aircraft carriers are being built ...
    1. Avior
      Avior 20 July 2021 10: 45
      -4
      Yes, you are a connoisseur!
      Only not in Kerch, but in Feodosia, and not aircraft carriers, but landing ships, UDC.
      smile
  21. Erik
    Erik 20 July 2021 10: 42
    -14%
    Quote: Machete
    They were broken after the 91st.
    Not for long. Then they dropped the case.
    For 20 years they have stood as they were. No one has any thoughts to endure them anymore.
    We have a five-story building on the main square.

    Everything has its time! It's not evening yet, as they say! But I see this, a clear line between people even here. So far, just controversy, but the further, the worse! Everything is in the classics of the 18th century! Only now has the negative coloration of the word "communist" migrated from the bourgeois parliament to the bourgeois streets! And so, yes, maybe they don't break it yet! We are waiting, sir!
  22. Xlor
    Xlor 20 July 2021 10: 49
    +2
    Ukrainian bloggers showed footage from the bankrupt Black Sea shipyard and the section of the unfinished corvette "Vladimir the Great"

    Ukraine is already, in my opinion, a bankrupt state without the Black Sea Shipyard ...
  23. Serhi
    Serhi 20 July 2021 10: 50
    +3
    So it is still clear who is to blame for this ... the same damned Muscovites, they destroyed everything, plundered and sold.
    Stupefied Nazi vegetable heads lured and raised for Western money. This is what happens when a minority comes to power at the expense of a revolution, just like we did in the 90s, and we will continue to clean up this chaos for 10 ki years. And believe my words, all the remnants of the current Outskirts, we will have to rebuild again.
  24. Luminman
    Luminman 20 July 2021 10: 57
    +3
    You have to jump with a saucepan on your head, you see, the shipbuilding industry will revive. Or sprinkle holy water on the Aftocephalous Church
    1. Kushka
      Kushka 20 July 2021 12: 12
      -4
      Is she needed?
      Won the Czechs - without seas, ships, NSR, icebreakers, SSGN, AUG
      (without the ISS, air-rocket-ship building) and still have not died.
  25. Tarasios
    Tarasios 20 July 2021 10: 57
    +3
    In addition to the article, having rummaged on the Internet:
    from ukroviki: "By the mill on 30 April 2019, the readiness of the hull is 80%, and the ship as a whole - 32%"
    News only from February 17, 2021 from the site defens-ua com: "Corvette" Volodymyr the Great "plan to get the frigate to replace" Getman Sagaidachny ". ", all the hardware will be disassembled and transported to a new point for completion and additional assembly. So - everything is fine. Like;)
    And in general: Zelensky in 2019 promised that this particular corvette (then it was listed as a corvette, now it is almost a frigate, a couple of years more - and it will be almost an aircraft carrier) will be completed in 2023. What's interesting: they say, the corvette's hull has already been laid in Turkey (???). In November 2019, Zelensky said that within nine years, the Navy will receive four corvettes of Project 58250 (Volodymyr the Great series). In total - five (!) Brand new, modern warships! How do you like this, Elon Musk?! ...;)))
  26. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 20 July 2021 11: 40
    +1
    The greatness of this Vladimir is reminiscent of the greatness of their jester, the non-president, Vladimir, the same useless rubbish.
  27. Woland
    Woland 20 July 2021 12: 26
    +2
    Yes, sad, girls. We had the same in 90-2000. I really hope so. that that time has passed forever. And I advise these types of "brothers" to learn from other people's mistakes. and not on their own. Although. maybe it's for the best
  28. Constanty
    Constanty 20 July 2021 13: 29
    +4
    This is a complete fall and end - it reminds me of photographs from the mid-90s - early 2000s, when Polish defense plants fell into decay - for example, the PZL Wola, which produced engines for the T-72.








    As a result, we have to buy engines for tank repairs in Republika Srpska for a lot of money.

    I remember similar photos from "Malyshev" many years ago. If this is still the case in Ukraine, despite the arms boom, I am not surprised by the country's disintegration.
  29. Figvam
    Figvam 20 July 2021 13: 49
    -4
    a familiar picture in our city too ..
    Hammer and sickle; ZIL; Astrophysics; Khrunichev; Frunze plant; PMZR; Tushino machine plant; toy factory "Krugozor" and so on. how many of them were ruined only in Moscow .. but in the country OUU !!!
    and how many more they are finishing))
    all PIK for building and other close comrades
  30. BOB044
    BOB044 20 July 2021 14: 54
    0
    And what could be expected from the poor. It was the richest Ukrainian SSR republic in the USSR. Everything was profiled and plundered. hi
    1. Kushka
      Kushka 20 July 2021 15: 23
      +2
      This "poor" in 1991 was 25. Soviet kindergarten,
      ten years old, pioneer, komsomol, army, university
      (count the army of their educators, teachers,
      commanders, political commanders, the amount of
      "primary sources", speeches of the general secretaries and hundreds of Soviet
      films). And this is in the republic with 50 million people.
      But today they are only 55 - and why are they so "miserable"?
      Moreover, the same "hooked" on their children, because
      these children were raised by Soviet grandfathers and grandmothers,
      while fathers and mothers "made a career" or worked on
      all-Union construction sites on the Komsomol appeal, d
      and the teachers in the garden were still the same.
      But for some reason the "poor" have grown up again. As a result - full of
      Ukraine "poor" of all ages - from 30 to 60
      (the most capable age) all of them are "poor"
      In your opinion, the USSR "generated" the poor by millions - 30 years
      passed, and their dime a dozen, and even multiply.
      PS Minusators! Enough filoning! What kind of work is this-
      for two posts, two minuses! Loafers! Well, they put pressure on!
  31. Misha_an26
    Misha_an26 20 July 2021 17: 57
    +1
    Add here more "Yuzhmash" and "Antonov"
  32. xorek
    xorek 20 July 2021 18: 57
    +2
    This enterprise has a rich history. Since 1897, it has produced hundreds of products, including ships and ocean-going ships. The enterprise survived a revolution, two world wars, even the crisis of the 1990s, but was unable to cope with the "post-Maidan development" of Ukraine.

    It's terrifying to read all this .. In Russia, it also began in the 90s .. But thank God, they came to their senses and managed to save a lot of things, from the Moscow liberdons ..
    1. serg.shishkov2015
      serg.shishkov2015 21 July 2021 13: 13
      +1
      I have an article about New Year's crackers that we made in those years, maybe they are doing it now. Festive fireworks are beautiful! and at the same time they began to make * firecrackers *, from which the enemies of Russia are shaking with small shivers. everything is back to square one, firecrackers, adversary, boNbu!
  33. Slavors Gart
    Slavors Gart 21 July 2021 13: 27
    0
    She died ...
  34. fuffi
    fuffi 21 July 2021 14: 59
    0
    As always, news from the land of ruins. But the pans were bombed yesterday about the new aircraft that was shown at MAKS-2021.
    from news:
    Politico: US urged Ukraine not to criticize the Nord Stream 2 agreement
    The publication reports that Washington also asked Kiev not to discuss the plans of the United States and Germany with Congress.
    In translation from the diplomatic - shut up and do not blather on dad.
  35. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 21 July 2021 20: 06
    0
    The remains of the factory halls can be used as scenery for films about "zombie apocalypse" ...
    wassat
  36. Dimon-SPG
    Dimon-SPG 22 July 2021 08: 46
    0
    ChSZ spent.